I really hope they don't fuck with visibility
#battlefield-legacy-titles
lime stirrup
soft breach
Normandie operation/breakthrough 
light coral
True
undone steppe
its an assualt rifle though
tribal ether
Well no
undone steppe
medic is probably getting carbines
soft breach
But assault had it in bf1
light coral
They're getting nothing really, and needed a better ranged weapon
soft breach
so why should he get it in bfv?
light coral
Assault had smgs in bf1
compact oxide
The Ribeyrolls didn't actually exist beyond failed tests so we don't know
undone steppe
because bf1 got it wrong
lime stirrup
there is no way medic is getting anything other than smgs
midnight nimbus
medic is getting pistol carbines and machine pistols
light coral
Idk if it could have been placed anywhere else in BF1
compact oxide
They should've made the ribey the same as the real life version
unique thunder
On the Ribeyrolls, does it just need the specialisations to be good? Because I whipped it out and couldn't really see a reason to use it over say, an M1A1, or STG, or Sturm
compact oxide
40% failure rate 
light coral
The medic needs something for range, imo
tribal ether
The rib might be classified as a assault rifle in BFV but he’s more in line with a SMG even though it fires a intermediate round
compact oxide
MP34 is good for range
light coral
They're the only class without an option for range and closer range
lime stirrup
If medic had a ranged weapon, say goodbye to class balance
unique thunder
they just don't want to make the class OP, given how good infinite self healing is
light coral
Assault has weapons that melt from point blank up to 100s of meters
And are anti armor
compact oxide
Exactly, Assault and Support are much better than the other classes atm
soft breach
Jackfrags talked about it yesterday, one of his suggestions was to give medic some semi auto rifles
to kill at range
lime stirrup
imagine fighting against a medic with a semi auto g43. Two hits, behind rock, heal
undone steppe
its more in line yeah but its still classified as an assault rifle because it fires the intermediate cartridge thats all i was sayimg. I think medics should get at least carbines
charred heron
Wew
unique thunder
didn't the class have the Gewerh 43 in the beta? I literally wouldn't have played anything else, lol
light coral
Lol support has one of the best weapons in the game and infinite ammo for it
tribal ether
Gonna have to wait for the Ppsh-41,ppd and grease gun
unique thunder
@lime stirrup yeah exactly
charred heron
BFV is my only game that has a tremendous packet loss for no reason
10/10 game
Giving me a good frequency and ping, but a trashy packet loss
midnight nimbus
BFV Ribey is filthy good
charred heron
What the fork
tribal ether
Anyone in Xbox?
undone steppe
each class has its different style thats the point
light coral
Me
tribal ether
@light coral wanna play?
undone steppe
although medic should have gotten the shotguns imo
tribal ether
True
light coral
Sorry, not playing much right now, room mate is sleeping and if probably wake him up, I get in to it
tribal ether
Yea
light coral
You can add me though, gt is Opened Lord
And personally I just feel like medic is getting shafted in weapon options. On top of many of the smgs feeling similar and literally BEING similar, they're the only class without two weapon types for primaries, and the only class without a ranged or bipoded option
lime stirrup
Just give medics the m30 drilling
tribal ether
They need to get the Commando Carbine as a gadget
undone steppe
yeah thats what im saying medics need shotguns
lime stirrup
the drilling is awesome
midnight nimbus
iirc, it's coming in as a primary
tribal ether
I’d take the Fedorov back in a heartbeat
light coral
I'd take a slug shotgun, I'd take anything at this point
undone steppe
federov is probably going to assault class though
light coral
But playing with smgs on, say, Hamada CQL is absolute bonkers
tribal ether
Please don’t say that 😭
light coral
Talk about being out ranged by everything
midnight nimbus
idek how they'll fit Federov in
compact oxide
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't hate playing medic on Hamada
midnight nimbus
needs an entirely new spread model
giving it the universal damage model would be stupid
compact oxide
Inb4 the fed goes to Assault too 
undone steppe
i like medic on hamada all you need is smoke
light coral
I don't hate playing them on Hamada, but it's an example of a map where huge spans of it are a dead man's land for medics, especially if you're not using the longest ranged smg in the class
compact oxide
Tbh I always use the MP34
light coral
Whereas I can play any other class on Hamada CQL and rape ass
lime stirrup
mp34 is great at range
undone steppe
theyve kept all the guns true to each class. so federov will most likely go to assault because its a select fire weapon
lime stirrup
does anyone even use select fire, outside of the drilling
undone steppe
on the stg it changes the recoil pattern. its nice i must say
midnight nimbus
Fedora gonna need some really funky numbers to work properly in BFV
semi auto mode is good in BFV
light coral
I'm getting every weapon to rank 10, just got the 1907sf to 10 and had it spec'd out for hipfire with a 3x scope, so I could hipfire in cqb using full auto, and then swap to single fire and take people down at range using the 3x
It was pretty nice
The STG is a ranged monster in single fire as well
Pretty much a damn laser beam
solid hinge
lime stirrup
I'm pretty sure the rib is going to get nerfed
light coral
It's crazy they'd allow that type of accuracy for the STG44 in single fire considering how deadly it is in full auto
tribal ledge
I can pull off conistent headshots with the ribeyes
solid hinge
rly interesting video from battlenonsense
tribal ledge
I never experienced any packet loss
light coral
It mimics the semi auto ttk of the m1a1 with the m1a1's extended mag size by default, and is even more accurate
undone steppe
i cant wait for the svt 40 tbh
charred heron
Especially in vehicles where the gun is like "Hurr, let's load every round 3 times while you already cashed in 4 rounds"
hoary condor
Battlefield: Prisoner of Azkaban
lime stirrup
may as well use the gewehr 1-5 if you are using it like that
light coral
Yeah the svt will be nice, I've always loved the look of that gun
charred heron
@tribal ledge It's getting hilariously bad
When you have a stable tick rate, stable fps and you have a stable ping
tribal ether
Can run the tomorrow with only 20 rounds
charred heron
Or at least a ping that changes in tolerable numbers
undone steppe
watch the video that silverback just posted @charred heron it explains it
charred heron
@undone steppe I did
light coral
I don't experience much packet loss, and when I do it's because my net is shit and I spiked up to 250 ping for a second or something
undone steppe
ahh well dice will get it fleshed out in a year lol
charred heron
But it doesn't help me to fix the issue
undone steppe
like they did with bf4
charred heron
Maybe Dice should just hire talented netcode programmers
midnight nimbus
technically all guns within the same class with the same upgrades are equally accurate in single fire
charred heron
midnight nimbus
Ribey is the assault Bren
undone steppe
yeah single fire is extremely useful in this game. reminds me of bf2
light coral
I'd wager the STG44 is more accurate in single fire than most other fully upgraded semi auto weapons in the assault class
timid coyote
):
charred heron
Tho the packet loss and resulting bullshit death are just making the game more unplayable than it already is
undone steppe
fuck the sweet spot mechanic
light coral
I used the m1a1 and g43 a crazy amount so far, and STG44 single fire puts them to shame
midnight nimbus
no
charred heron
Because i really love to die and see the enemy popping up 10 seconds later
light coral
It's like ridiculously accurate, no recoil, no spread
midnight nimbus
StG is less accurate than actual semis in semi auto mode
light coral
Laser beam
charred heron
And that with a 30 ping
timid coyote
Guys anyone heard of Ballistic Tracker?
charred heron
Dunno what happens with a ping of 50
midnight nimbus
StG still has spread increase and hrec
charred heron
light coral
My STG in single fire doesn't move an inch
undone steppe
the stg just climbs in single fire
light coral
It's pretty much the only way I use it now, with a 3x on it
midnight nimbus
still has spread increase, depending on how fast you shoot it
and still has hrec
worse damage model than actual semis too
karmic dock
How come there is only like 2 hardcore servers in BF1? Is that normal?
light coral
I'm surprised there's that many
undone steppe
yeah because dice completely fucked hardcore in bf1
midnight nimbus
one of the best things they've ever done 🤤
karmic dock
But cant play any maps I like
undone steppe
its fun if you get used to it but i liked bf4 hardcore way better
charred heron
I think the BR mode will die pretty quick in BFV
undone steppe
agreed they just need to allow custom servers again
midnight nimbus
nah 200% damage >>>>> 60hp mode
timid coyote
Guys are you ppl using recon or assault atm?
midnight nimbus
bc it doesn't make explosives super strong
hardcore is good for farming unlock kills
and that's about it
light coral
Imo super strong explosives made sense, at least for hardcore mode
Because explosives are sort of... You know.... Super strong
undone steppe
ive been playing hardcore since they introduced it in bc2. I find that bfv is a good medium between core and hardcore atm @karmic dock
midnight nimbus
tbh I only want to play BFV for the same reason I play R6S and shit like that
light coral
I've played both since it was introduced, and I feel BF5 is where I've wanted normal mode to be
midnight nimbus
max cheese
timid coyote
Anyone hyped about Battlefield VI ik it does not even exist but it could be about Cold War?
light coral
It's very similar, not literally but generally overall, to older refractor engine gf games
midnight nimbus
BFV is only awesome for annoying everyone to the max
undone steppe
hopefully with the visibility update everyone is talking about they dont do something stupid
midnight nimbus
lmao bind the ping spot to LMB or spacebar
charred heron
The upstream speed doesn't justify a Packet Loss of 6-7 while just spawning and doing nothing
midnight nimbus
so you can show off how useless it is
charred heron
Nothing nearby, and a huge packet loss
light coral
Ping spot is pretty useful imo, but I do run in a full squad so
charred heron
What is this Mickey Mouse bullshit i see with my own eyes
midnight nimbus
medic AP mines 👌👌👌
ping spot is like 3D spotting if its mom drank paint in the womb
literally does everything worse
except for trolling teammates
midnight nimbus
now you just get idiot teammates pinging nothing
undone steppe
ping spotting is way better
light coral
midnight nimbus
it's useless information
karmic dock
Damnn nice website
midnight nimbus
the fact that it can be used as a false positive at all is awful
undone steppe
@karmic dock if you like hardcore theres a few servers that are always populated
undone steppe
@karmic dock thats all i know of though because thats all i played
midnight nimbus
imagine if friendly medpacks had a chance of dealing damage instead of healing you
basically ping spot in BFV
light coral
Well it's more for pointing for a place of interest or pinging an enemy at his last known location
If you're in a random squad solo, I'd just ignore it
undone steppe
if you play with a shit squad then ping spots are a problem otherwise they are great
light coral
Like I do to the rest of the squad, and they do to me
light coral
3d spotting is not good at all, imo
light coral
I didn't say it's not useful, I said it's not good
undone steppe
3d spotting just turns the game into shooting red triangles
light coral
I'd say it's not good BECAUSE it's too useful and easily spammable
light coral
It's the most hand-holding mechanic DICE has ever implemented
midnight nimbus
it's the most realistic blueberry teamplay mechanic to ever exist
light coral
Apart from 2d minimap audio spotting when you fire a gun
midnight nimbus
it's 100% the best way to communicate with someone who you physically cannot force on mic
rich sonnet
What causes something to be 3D spotted?
light coral
It's not realistic at all
midnight nimbus
and improves verbal communication a lot
realistic as in practical
idc at all about realism in games
light coral
It tracks an enemy players exact position in real time for everyone in the team through solid objects
undone steppe
thats why i cant wait until they have rsp that way people can just play what they want to play
midnight nimbus
I'm all for RSP if you can remove attrition
light coral
There are hacks that do that exact thing actively, it mimics the effect of an esp hack for your team by pressing a button
midnight nimbus
and enforce roblox graphics
light coral
Cheap af imo
midnight nimbus
3D spotting is great bc it punishes bad flanks
it's literally how enemies work in PVE stealth games
you only get cucked if your flank was bad in the first place
light coral
Not really, it punishes any flank if the person gets spotted beforehand. BF5 has proven how effective flanking is in any manner when people can't see someones exact position marked for them on a minimap or through walls on the hud
midnight nimbus
if you get spotted beforehand, it obviously wasn't a very good flank
light coral
I flank whole squads all day now just by going 10 ft to thier right
undone steppe
3d spotting would just make flanking impossbile
midnight nimbus
people have gotten good flanks since forever
flanking was fine when 3D spotting existed
you just actually had to be good at it
light coral
If the removal of 3d spotting has proven anything, it's how much people relied on it to not get reamed hard
midnight nimbus
playing without 3D spotting isn't necessarily any harder or easier, it just removes a teamplay tool
light coral
Yes people have gotten good flanks since forever, but my point is without 3d spotting even bad, lazy flanks work a ton of the time
undone steppe
half the maps in bfv rely on good flanks. with 3d spotting people would just run over there real quick and defend the flank and then resume what they were doing
midnight nimbus
now if I see an MMG in the distance, I just say "lol get cucked" to my blueberries
bc i can't point it out
wary mason
You can point it out
midnight nimbus
not to the blueberries
wary mason
That's true
midnight nimbus
what are you gonna do, type out a detailed description in the in-game chat?
urban crown
ok wtf is "assault equipment" that counts towards the tides of war ?
undone steppe
thats why i try to suppress people if my teammates dont see them because it will spot them for a little bit
light coral
Let them die because they're unaware random players
midnight nimbus
you can barely even point things out to squadmates
bc ping spot covers up what you were trying to point at
light coral
Or you could try shooting the MG
light coral
Well thats arguable depending on range
midnight nimbus
now it's just lol watch your teammates die
bc you couldn't help them
excellent teamplay
light coral
I don't see how BF is a bad team based shooter because it doesn't have 3d spotting
BF existed for years without it
midnight nimbus
it's not bad, it's just not good
BF was never a great team based shooter anyways
light coral
Lol I think it's fine
undone steppe
i mean its pretty damn good so far. i cant justify 3d spotting its just garbage kiddie shit
light coral
And press q was more skill?
undone steppe
maybe they can bring back the commander spamming "enemy infantry spotted"
light coral
Lol passive 3d spotting sounds worse
midnight nimbus
it's already in the BFV code
light coral
Just look at an enemy and he's spotted, you could do the same thing as spamming the button just by looking around
midnight nimbus
suppression spotting is essentially already passive 3D spotting
point and track near the enemy to spot
midnight nimbus
need to maintain a track for a certain amount of time to spot
target detector wasn't passive
light coral
You have to actively suppress someone to make it happen
undone steppe
suppression spotting makes much more sense than hitting Q tho
lime stirrup
If they add 3d spotting to bfv or any future bf games I'll neck myself.
midnight nimbus
and don't require bullets to do it
light coral
So you didn't spam q, it passively spotted for you..
undone steppe
lol
no suppression spotting is a little overkill as it is
they stay spotted for a long ass time
solid hinge
lime stirrup
spotting should be removed altogether
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
it wasn't passive spotting, doesn't have the variable cone or time requirement
light coral
That's not to mention if you WANT to actively help your team via 3d spotting, you can still do it with a sniper spotting scope
midnight nimbus
the passive spotting sitting in BFV's code rn is good
why should abilities be limited to one class?
timid coyote
guys anyone suggests a person who just bought bf v to start learning how to snipe or continue his line towards support/assault?
midnight nimbus
all classes can revive, medic can do it better
light coral
Lol not actively having to press a button for an action to happen is passive
midnight nimbus
all classes should be able to spot, scout just does it best
light coral
The bf4 target detector was a passive spotting device
timid coyote
guys?
undone steppe
what level assault are you?
light coral
Lol why should abilities be limited to one class?
midnight nimbus
the logical inconsistency in BFV is baffling
timid coyote
I assume level 7 bug
solid hinge
helps @timid coyote
light coral
Medics can infinite heal, supports can have infinite ammo, assault can blow up tanks with ease whereas two other classes can't
midnight nimbus
all classes have AT abilities, assault just does it best
light coral
Scouts can spawn wherever they put a beacon
lime stirrup
remove. all. spotting. Flares, scopes, traits, minimap. Get rid of it all 😃
light coral
Lmao medics have at abilities?
midnight nimbus
everyone can self heal or self resupply, medics and supports do those the best, respectively
solid hinge
Let's complain about everything
light coral
What a frag grenade?
And everyone can still spot
Scout just does it best
Lol wtf
undone steppe
@timid coyote well id recommend using the G.43 or m1a1 they are both really good
timid coyote
@undone steppe my bad, level 9 in assault and level 7 at sniper
potent galleon
How do you earn Company Coins after level 50?
undone steppe
yeah i dont get this argument for 3d spotting it would just ruin the game
midnight nimbus
teamwork isn't a checklist
light coral
I'm glad it's gone
solid hinge
🙄🙄
midnight nimbus
everyone should be able to do everything to some extent, classes offer specialization to do certain things best
solid hinge
Bring rsp
light coral
I was accepting of it with its initial implementation in 2142, but it just got worse
And everyone can spot
timid coyote
Guys why is it named as M1A1, I feel it kinda relevant to the Abrams x.x
light coral
Scout just does it best
timber snow
85 % of BF players don't use gadgets,for them BF means point use main weapon only,spawn and start running like headless chicken
light coral
True
solid hinge
Some people can use skill weapons 🙄🙄
light coral
Lol people would rage at limited stamina
undone steppe
nah fuck that
midnight nimbus
> 50% of players never threw ammo in BF1
"how do we improve teamplay?"
"attrition"
😂😂😂
light coral
Well they counteracted that with resupply points, so
undone steppe
if i wanted limited stamina nd that shit id go to arma again
midnight nimbus
doesn't improve teamplay tho
light coral
Limited stamina was bad in older BF games
timber snow
back in the days,people were adapting to games,nowdays games are adapting to people,nothing wrong,but you cannot sadisfy all of them...
midnight nimbus
supply depots are a band aid patch over the fact that attrition doesn't work
same with body ammo pickups
light coral
Nothing like a map spanning 2,000m, and taking 6 minutes to walk 300m
Lol attrition works fine, imo
timber snow
limited stamina was the most nice feature in BF2
midnight nimbus
limited stamina BF is actually less playable than shit visibility BFV
timber snow
wich most of us played
solid hinge
🙄
timber snow
and we still want a game like that
undone steppe
i think attrition is nice too
and yeah i forgot that bf2 had limited stamina honestly
midnight nimbus
if attrition actually improved teamplay, why do depots and body ammo pickups exist?
light coral
I don't think it was to improve teamplay
I think it was to emphasize it
Not enforce it
midnight nimbus
tfw DICE even admits that attrition only cucks good players
light coral
And to get away from the one-man army super soldier days of BF where you'd carry 280 rounds in reserve on spawn
midnight nimbus
gg, adding in mechanics to further dumb down the skill gap
attrition literally doesn't hurt average shitters
only good players
light coral
I don't get the argument that it shafts skilled players
A skilled player should be able to stay supplied either way
undone steppe
could you imagine how many people would complain if they made hamada similar to strike at karkand, where you could literally lock a team out lol
midnight nimbus
average shitter doesn't live long enough to run out of ammo
light coral
People already rage at Hamada
midnight nimbus
average shitter doesn't self heal properly either
lime stirrup
karkand was hilarious
light coral
And anything that's conquest assault
nocturne bridge
but as a high skilled player you should have no problem to solve the supply problem
midnight nimbus
now good players have to rely on shitters to feed them health and ammo, or play overly conservative around depots
nocturne bridge
it's not like it's some high skill play to press C
undone steppe
yeah i loved karkand just because of that
midnight nimbus
playing around attrition isn't hard
it's just tedious
and doesn't affect shitty players at all
light coral
I don't see how the average player not living long enough to run out of ammo means that attrition shafts higher skilled players. Again, tbe higher skilled player should be aware enough to keep themselves supplied, rendering attrition moot
urban crown
this tides of war week seems to be glitched the F out to the max
i mean nothing counts
undone steppe
dude attrition isnt even that bad i never run out of ammo
urban crown
capping points in vehicles doesnt do shit
midnight nimbus
attrition disproportionately affects higher skilled players
light coral
I'd like to think of myself than better than average, at least skilled at the game, and I barely ever run out of ammo
urban crown
damaging with assault explosives doesnt count
undone steppe
you honestly just seem like a troll now
urban crown
what in the actuall hell
nocturne bridge
I believe that attrition disproportionally affects your playstyle @midnight nimbus
midnight nimbus
why force good players to undergo more busy work than shitty players?
light coral
Lmao, if the average player dies before spending 2 extra mags, I wouldn't say that they're doing too great, so I don't see how that's a solid point
midnight nimbus
the average player dying before spending 2 mags is the entire point
they don't have to suffer through more busy work
light coral
If they didn't die before spending 2 they'd still be affected by attrition to the same exact level everyone else is
We all spawn with the same ammo
Span of life isn't a solid point
undone steppe
hes saying good players are affected by attrition too lol
solid hinge
🙄 🙄
devout edge
I'd consider a good player someone that can play around the attrition and even use it to your advantage. If you're constantly at a disadvantage because of a game mechanic, maybe you're not that good.
light coral
A skilled player could die 6 times in a row by bad chance, does it then mean they're no longer affected by attrition?
Same @devout edge
solid hinge
How about comp players @devout edge👀👀
lusty veldt
is dice aware that the assignments are bugged
devout edge
What about them? The systems are the same, no?
solid hinge
🤔
light coral
I'm not some outrageously skilled player, but I don't run out of ammo enough for me to consider it a problem that puts me at a disadvantage
I just remember to resupply when I need to, instead of charging into 6 enemies with only 20 rounds left
midnight nimbus
now instead of continuing to push up and help my team, I have to circle back to some cap if the smoothbrains on my team don't wanna throw me ammo or health
tbh Medic is enjoyable if you just pick up assault weapons
light coral
So now the issue isn't you're disadvantaged, it's that it forces you to do something you'd rather not do...
midnight nimbus
having to do dumb busy work is a disadvantage
light coral
So the guy above was right saying that its a disadvantage to your own personal playstyle
How? Other players have to do it as well
undone steppe
attrition makes it harder to maintain a defense and an offense because you need to rearm and heal. its a good thing
midnight nimbus
a lot of real good YTers end up camping depots bc it makes defense so much easier
light coral
It's not like you're the only person in a match having to break off and run to resupply just because you have 15 more kills than everyone else
undone steppe
youtubers always ruin games
solid hinge
Atleast in bfv you dont have to worry about supports 👀
midnight nimbus
BFV is pretty fun camping tho
undone steppe
they bitch about stupid shit that noone in the community wants changed
light coral
Yeah, now instead of sitting there spamming "need ammo" and shooting at a blueberry, you can walk up to a box and press a button
midnight nimbus
BFV isn't hard to highish KPM camp
BFV should've just used Hardline's resource grab
bc at least it makes teammates useful
and encourages you to play together
instead of camping
midnight nimbus
Hardline was easy to camper bust tho
bc grenades are strong
and launch Hardline had really strong ARs/BRs
light coral
And it's 3d spotting was atrocious
See a guy's gun barrel sticking out of window and could 3d spot his ass
light coral
It makes killing anyone so easy
midnight nimbus
backwards prone with a Suomi in some dark corners 👌👌👌
undone steppe
i dont get why campers get people so upset its just a tactic
light coral
Lol I don't see how that'd be different with 3d spotting
midnight nimbus
or AP mine and run support
undone steppe
camping is just the counter to the run and gun player
light coral
Dark corner camping has been the same in.. Pretty much every fps game
light coral
Not for me, lol
midnight nimbus
unless you play in roblox mode
light coral
My brightness is at like 75
midnight nimbus
you can't play any BF before BFV and say that BFV doesn't have the worst visibility in the series
light coral
And I'm definitely not using the worthless cinematic options dice included with the game
Makes it look like ass
midnight nimbus
like play a round of BF4 and BFV back to back and the difference is obscene
undone steppe
have you tried dx12? does it help with performance?
ive heard a lot of conflicting things
light coral
The difference is obscene, because in BF4 3d spotting was as bad as it could get and it had 2d minimap spotting
midnight nimbus
even without spotting
light coral
I could know the location of players without even looking at the actual gameplay
midnight nimbus
BF4 visibility is leagues ahead
play BF4 HC or classic
and then play BFV
two entirely different worlds
even BF1 HC has far superior visibility
undone steppe
at least 2d map spotting is better than 3d spotting
midnight nimbus
visibility is an independent issue from spotting
light coral
Could see someones exact position on the full map because they shot their gun in a game that is literally about shooting guns
undone steppe
i think so too but if they have to have it in bfv hardcore then i wont really complain
as long as i can see teammates lol
amber notch
light coral
And visibility isn't an issue for me in BF5. Maybe camoflauge, but not seeing an enemy who is standing out in the open or actively moving
I see them plain as day, fucking 200m away
undone steppe
yeah i dont get the visibility complaints
if anything it makes gameplay way more interesting
light coral
But now that 3d spotting is gone, of course it's going to be harder to see a guy camping in Grey rubble when he's wearing a Grey outfit and you can't spam a button to have a little red symbol put above his head
He's literally camoflauged
undone steppe
which reminds me. Dice please add outfit loadouts thank you
light coral
But if you can't tell a guy in a green trench coat is standing on a pile of Grey rubble, thats a personal issue
midnight nimbus
low visibility is low effort
any shitter can just lay there in the dark for a ez kill
light coral
Lmao,i just don't see how a guy can camp behind rubble or something in a dark place on a head glitch and then people complain about low visibility, as if him playing that way wasn't because his visibility was as low as possible
midnight nimbus
it's not as if you even need to be aware of how you place yourself for bad visibility
light coral
I mean, what, is every map supposed to be designed at mid day with no shadows so there's absolutely nothing to do but run Rambo style non stop?
midnight nimbus
look at relaaa talk about it
abusing your visibility doesn't need to be conscious
or require any effort
everyone is just hard to see
eyesight isn't skill
light coral
Lmao no they're not
I see people fine
Every game
I don't see how two guys camping in a bush being hard to see because they're wearing green means the game as a whole has a visibility issue
midnight nimbus
https://twitter.com/marbleduck/status/1071521086284587008?s=21 this is literally ridiculous
light coral
It's not like some guy standing there in a building is invisible
Lmao I looked at that picture and saw the enemy right away
undone steppe
just looks like camo working as intended to me
light coral
Marble duck has already done that once before, and I saw the enemy in that picture too
Maybe eyesight is a skill lmao
Lmao he posted a picture from Narvik in the Beta of some enemy covered in snow standing in a doorway of a blown up building asking "can you see the enemy in this screenshot". I saw him right away, in a still image
undone steppe
if i dont see someone in this game its my fault i wasnt more cautious or didnt shoot the dead bodies
light coral
Either that or they flanked me
undone steppe
exactly. which is how it should be
light coral
Maybe it's just because I have brightness way up (always do) and a 95 fov, but I see people perfectly
Whether they're headglitching in rubble, standing in a window, or running 200m away
undone steppe
what is default fov btw?
light coral
I have yet to run into a moment where I just flat out didn't see someone right in front of me, which people claim is how it is now, let alone several instances of that making it a legit issue
I think it's 70 or 75
undone steppe
i have mine at 95 as well and its too much for me personally but i want to find a happy medium
okay ty
midnight nimbus
max FoV is nice for ez vrec mode
light coral
Then 95 cause why not
tribal cairn
I ALWAYS shoot "dead" bodies since I dealed with too many prone shotgunners in my time
undone steppe
it seems like the mouse sensitivity in this game is a lot different as well
light coral
I shoot dead people a lot too, but usually when they're down and asking for a Medic
undone steppe
compared to previous titles
light coral
I always think it's a guy prone reloading or something
undone steppe
same lol
i just want to see how theyre going to implement flamethrowers in this game
it will be interesting. im really wondering if they will just make them powerweapons
light coral
The Flammenwerfer 46
karmic summit
I wish there was a setting to fade the UI when ads-ing. The amount of times the revive icon has gotten in the way...
light coral
Single use throw away flame thrower that fired a ball of flames up to 30m for a second or so
Make it a gadget
undone steppe
i think someone mentioned the experimental german aa launcher too
light coral
I actually think the Flammenwerfer46 was data mined from the game files already
I'm sure Flakfire said something about it
undone steppe
thats where i saw it
i couldnt remember it was a while back
the aa launcher is this http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_56C-ixCTGN4/S-OsLXtlDWI/AAAAAAAAC40/8mhqzzL8WI8/s400/luftfaust1.jpg
9 unguided rockets
potent galleon
How do you earn Company Coins after level 50?
west plinth
...oh sweet summer child...
undone steppe
its glitched they have a fix coming soon from what i hear. youll receive more coin based on time played after level 50
solid hinge
why people complain about long loading times
solid hinge
just replace your shitty hdd with ssd
unique thunder
yeah have to say I don't find loading times that obnoxious, that's on ps4 with an ssd
undone steppe
no problem i feel your pain. I bought 2 expensive cosmetics before i knew it was glitched
unique thunder
trying to find a game as a squad of 4 though fuuuuuck me that shit can take forever
solid hinge
weren't you able to replace ssd on ps4?
potent galleon
I would like buy a 13k coins cosmetic but i have "only" 44k cc, so i'll wait until they will fix it
undone steppe
44k cc? i have 400 lol
unique thunder
so worthwhile too because it speeds up all the system menus too not just game loading, which is desperately slow on a regular ps4
no idea mate never timed it
it won't be as fast as a pc with an ssd, but it's a good bump on stock console
potent galleon
@undone steppe i didn't spent a lot XD just some perks for weapons i use
timid coyote
dont understand why ppl buy console..
potent galleon
And nothing more
timid coyote
in console you got to pay for live membership and not most of the editing applications are there in a console
so what's the whole point in buying it?
just buy a PC, a PC can be used for ever if maintained properly and can be upgraded or downgraded
light coral
Consoles are just for ease of use. You can sit on your couch, chill, and play a game. Thats on top of having an extremely, super, low, low, low chance of running into someone who is legitimately cheating, and you can pretty much guarantee anyone you're up against in a multiplayer game is running the game similarly on similar hardware
golden hatch
Only reason I see to buy consoles is for exclusives. I own a Nintendo Switch for that reason. Plenty of games on it that u cant play anywhere else
light coral
There's merits to console gaming, imo, as a pc and console gamer
midnight nimbus
console is legitimately better for certain genres
lime stirrup
I took part in the Anthem closed alpha, that game can't be played without a conroller imo
midnight nimbus
FPS on console is just kinda painful to play tbh
golden hatch
i play racing games and fifa etc on PC with an Xbox controller
best of both worlds
smoothest gameplay with the best input method for these games
light coral
I appreciate shooters on consoles, probably because most people you're up against suck something awful
golden hatch
and nintendo switch is awesome cus u can take it anywhere
light coral
Mmm breath of the wild in an elevator
midnight nimbus
racing games on an ultrawide monitor 👌
compact oxide
Any game on an ultrawide 👌
light coral
Pokemon GO on ultrawide 👌
snow ermine
How's bf5 on ultrawide?
compact oxide
Great
light coral
your mom is ultrawide
unique thunder
@timid coyote I do both, but without going into it too much, console is undeniable easier for a guy who works full time and has a partner. Sometimes I just want to veg on the sofa and shoot stuff without caring about all the shit I have to do with my PC.
compact oxide
I had to go back to a 1080p monitor for a week and it was awful
golden hatch
id only consider ultrawide if its at least 144hz
no room on my desk for that anyway plus im playing at 240hz anyway
unique thunder
Updates are about the only thing that fucks me because the one night I get the most spare time to game is when both BFV and BO4 drop patches, so I get to watch it 'copy file' instead
compact oxide
I have 120
golden hatch
if ur not used to more, yeah
compact oxide
And it's goooood
golden hatch
bad thing about owning a 240hz monitor is that even 120hz feels laggy to me now haha
golden hatch
120-144 is pretty much the same, yeah
100 to 144 is pretty noticeable
and any of them to 240hz is very clear
golden hatch
i dream of the day we get 1ms, 240hz, 4k IPS screens
light coral
Lol I stopped gaming hard/exclusively on pc before 120hz was normal. I'd probably jizz playing every game at 120hz
snow ermine
@golden hatchsame
midnight nimbus
my reaction times are <200ms average
I doubt many people gain anything going from 120 to 240Hz
golden hatch
for the casual gamer it wont matter
golden hatch
u can clearly tell the difference though
but yea id always say 100hz is the absolute minimum to have for PC gaming
i see people use 60hz screens on ridiculously great PCs and it just hurts my brain
they spend 2000 euros on a PC and then get some cheap-ass 60hz monitor 😄
midnight nimbus
60Hz is fine for non-FPS
lime stirrup
it really isn't
stray isle
thought the human eye worked at the equlivant of 24 fps?
golden hatch
i disagree @midnight nimbus
lime stirrup
Playing say, The Witcher 3 at 60 frames, vs 144 is night and day
golden hatch
even games like FIFA or racing games look a million times smoother on higher refresh rates
midnight nimbus
it's fine, not ideal
lime stirrup
it comes down to responsiveness, 60 vs over 100 is huge
golden hatch
yeah the input lag on 60hz is pretty bad as well
golden hatch
i play fifa on both my laptop and my desktop and its pretty damn clear how much more input lag the laptop has
which is a 60hz ips screen
midnight nimbus
there's more to input lag than refresh time
golden hatch
racing games arent great either
lime stirrup
I'd say 100 frames at least for me to not feel like I'm lagging, it starts to feel smooth at 140+
golden hatch
i know, but its a big factor
midnight nimbus
a lot of laptops have bad g2g response time
golden hatch
its a pretty decent gaming laptop either way
Asus ROG GL552VW if im correct
only reason i bought it is cus i lived abroad for a year, couldnt take desktop
and 120hz laptops werent affordable back then, unfortunately
the IPS screen is absolutely beautiful though
midnight nimbus
good IPS is usually 5ms g2g vs 1ms g2g for good TN
completely negligible
the difference begins to come in at 10ms or higher
which compounds with other factors
main grove
Lead your target
Shoot where they're going to be
It's not easy
Better to wait for them to stop for one second
little zenith
timid coyote
That will not even happen
solid hinge
Check out how long your flight time is over certain ranges also, to calculate howe much to lead them by. elevation is barely an issue in this game anyway
And also practice
main grove
Plus the Gewehr 95 has got the slowest velocity
main grove
Krag and Kar have the fastest bullets
solid hinge
yeah high damage, low speed
timid coyote
So all those days thinking that the Gewehr 95 had the new velocity…
And I literally gave up thinking it was a grave mistake for me…
solid hinge
and lower damage to match, snipers weren;t affected by TTK and they removed that anyway
timid coyote
I meant had a faster velocity*
main grove
Lee Enfield is if you want fast fire rate and high cap mag
timid coyote
Which sniper has a higher velocity?
main grove
Gewehr 95 has the highest damage and fast reload
solid hinge
The gewehr is for the pros 😛
timid coyote
Anyone heard of this game HnG?
main grove
But a fairly fast bullet
light coral
Yep
lime stirrup
lee is great for mid close range
main grove
Kar is the best for sniping
frozen sparrow
Gewehr 95 
timid coyote
Yep I’m a Kar98k god in that game
light coral
HnG isn't that bad. Pretty grindy, p2w though
solid hinge
it will, just git gud with it 😃
main grove
The Gewehr is the hardest to use
solid hinge
firing range and all that
light coral
Don't get why the m.95 doesn't allow to bolt cycle while ads
solid hinge
yeah exactly you'll just be giving away your position and wasting ammo with the krag
it'd be too OP then
timid coyote
Wait which sniper has the best velocity? Krag or Kar or both?
main grove
What has the Krag got over the Kar?
light coral
I don't get how, it's not like it increases its bolt speed
main grove
I think it's meant to be low recoil but that's not really a problem
timid coyote
Really sucks if a gun is having low velocity… it will be harder to aim
You need to lead…
solid hinge
Reacquiring teh target means you can;t get as many shots off, reducing i's OPness
timid coyote
And by lead means A-Lot.
solid hinge
shouldn't be more then max three character lengths over max range
main grove
Gewehr is better if you are agressive but prefer damage over fire rate
light coral
I'd rather it's straight pull actually have a function instead of it just being ignored in favor of more damage for no reason
timid coyote
Guys anyone using the recon class? Some ppl say it’s broken atm?
I prefer velocity above everything.
And I bet BF IV is the game for me Kim’s
main grove
Then you'll like the Kar
solid hinge
working perfectly this end, could do with more perks but it'd be OP then too
solid hinge
built in range finder is OP af
main grove
The Kar is the descendant of the Gewehr 98 in BF1 which also had the fastest bullet
timid coyote
Really having a hard time with recon…
solid hinge
try using tac respawns
solid hinge
The spawn beacons, they were called tac respawns in BF4
timid coyote
But yet
light coral
They were beacons in BF4 too
timid coyote
Everyone in Bf v keeps roaming
And if they hear my bullet, they will get to cover
Or run like maniacs making it harder for me to hit
Bf 1 is mostly an open place game where you can definitely snipe.
In the sense not so many obstacles are present…
solid hinge
yeah so thats where the git gud built comes in no offense. You;re right there as well, but the maps are a lot more channeled for this reason as well
light coral
Sniping isn't too difficult to me
light coral
Got it to rank 20 and unlocked its outfits before assault and support
solid hinge
For example aerodrome, no sniping one side, the others rife for it
light coral
I'm on xbone
timid coyote
…
timid coyote
Now I get it why it’s ez for Xbox ppl
light coral
Lol why?
light coral
Auto rotation got removed from consoles
timid coyote
The game pad is so ez to use
solid hinge
Once you get good at PC sniping, you'll never look back
light coral
Lol mouse and keyboard is objectively more accurate
amber notch
void wireless
solid hinge
no objective about it, it simply is 😄
light coral
You control aiming with your entire arm, hand, and wrist, not just your thumb
timid coyote
Yeah but in that scenario you can just reduce the sensitivity
solid hinge
exactly
timid coyote
Well, no need to argue your point is correct to MCbeef.
solid hinge
yeah but i have a mouse with 100-1600 DPI, the xbox can;t even remotely do that, and not on a thumbstick
timid coyote
McBeef*
I have a Razer mouse and guess what
I don’t use the right click
I use the side buttons as my scope
light coral
That's.... Something
timid coyote
Coz my right click is bugged af
solid hinge
it sure...is
light coral
Oh, thats a different story
timid coyote
But I’m used with it…
solid hinge
you;re loosing control doing that I woudl say 100%
timid coyote
So not issues
azure vault
morning bf discord, what are we pissed about today?
light coral
I wouldn't say it's far fetched, I had a Razer Naga once and two of its buttons, including the left click, went buggy after 2 years
timid coyote
Would not even buy razer mouses next time
solid hinge
mouse breaking, not weird, using thumb for sniping = weird
light coral
But it's still easier to aim, in general, with a mouse than on console with a stick
timid coyote
Guys I have another mouse from Logitech should I switch it so that I can use the right click?
light coral
Especially since auto rotation got removed from consoles in BF5
timid coyote
MCBeef is it really required to change my mouse
light coral
No more easy mode left trigger quick scoping
Well I'm not sure, everybody's mouse situation is different, we all use and are comfortable with different setups and settings
solid hinge
Well put it this way, you're literally training your muscles to do the wrong thing cos you won;t replace the broken mouse 😄
light coral
I snipe on the xbone just fine, was the 2nd class I got to max rank and I have at least half it's weapons at level 10
And yeah if your mouse is straight broken you should replace it
timid coyote
I can replace my mouse and it’s fine for me to get adjusted with it
light coral
Because you're essentially training yourself to play on a fucked up mouse
timid coyote
Well I’m just in a low tier so it’s okay
With me to change it…
I’m just gonna start up like a fresh newbie
solid hinge
Do, I started on PC from xbox abotu a year ago, its taken me this long to get used to it
compact oxide
Just get a $5 mouse from a stationary shop
timid coyote
I have one lieing in my home
Let me see if I can recollect where I kept it
It’s from Logitech
light coral
Yeah I used to play BF hard on pc from 2002 to 2010, then moved to xbone and stopped gaming on pc as much. If I went back now I'd probably get my ass handed to me
compact oxide
I started on a $5 mouse and keyboard combo and was still alright because it actually worked 😛
solid hinge
No i don;t think it is
light coral
In what way?
solid hinge
it'd be the least broken if anything cos it's been the least changed i think
light coral
I wouldn't say it's broken, but definitely the weakest iteration of snipers since refractor-era BF
compact oxide
Now, medics are broken
compact oxide
You're a new one
light coral
Compared to games since moving to the frostbite engine, rifles in this game have no OHK to the body at all, have extremely low minimum damage, and now suffer from the new bullet drag mechanic at range that was introduced in BF1. That's compared to older games where rifles either had varying OHK sweet spots, an OHK range from 0 to 12m, and suffered from no drag at any range.
The spotting flare is weaker and less effective than flares in BF1 or spotting devices in BF3 and 4.
It's pretty damn weak compared to past BF games.
amber notch
compact oxide
Tbh I'd love if flares got greatly increased range but were even easier to see, and if body damage from snipers was upped in close quarters
light coral
Especially compared to bf4, where they essentially had the same gadgets as recon does in BF5, but had stronger rifles and the option to pick carbines, shotguns, etc
compact oxide
Wow, thanks for the spam @amber notch so rude
amber notch
compact oxide
Just kidding ilu
urban crown
loooking into
light coral
Pretty much the only thing Recon has going for it in this game compared to past games is thier ability to whip out a scope and 3d spot people
timid coyote
Welp I dint even receive my guns from bfv which was a Christmas present from them
compact oxide
Recons with shotguns in bfv 
urban crown
thats a synonym for "we are listening" the default catchphrase for devs in the past 2 years 😃
compact oxide
Soon(TM)
compact oxide
We know they're listening from the TTK stuff
compact oxide
Too many pins 
amber notch
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west plinth
Someone take the thumbtacks away from POW!
amber notch
and just displayed the same thing
compact oxide
Oh 
solid hinge
Throw them back at em
amber notch
solid hinge
Oh oof
west plinth
F
timid coyote
POW, I dint yet receive my guns from Bf v
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timid coyote
K
amber notch
All the weapons should be out
so just contact them
they will just do an item refresh
probably give you duplicate items like they did for me
light coral
I got em both, shotgun is sort of meh, though
amber notch
light coral
Compared to the versatility of the drilling
west plinth
Dynamite 
west plinth
no u
amber notch
tribal ledge
For fucks sake DiCe
Medic guns need fixing
They are still useless
9 times out of 10 in a firefight I die
amber notch
light coral
I love the Mp40 actually
amber notch
tommy gun is the best
compact oxide
MP34 is best
amber notch
smacking noobs left and right
tribal ledge
yeah but I haven't grinded that much up to the Toimmy Gun
compact oxide
Best gun
timid coyote
I guess the Mosin nagat is the arguably the best sniper in ww2 considering that the white death used it…
light coral
Well he used a modified version of the rifle
For concealment and the fact the man was nearly a midget
timid coyote
😂
light coral
Literally insisted the full size Mosin was too large for him
But damn, what a shot he was
Eat snow to keep his breath cold
The man was made to end lives silently
timid coyote
Guys what is my first name
light coral
Lol that must have been terrifying for enemies that crossed him. Imagine, you're wandering out in the snow with 15 other guys and then they start dropping
Simo
Hayha
timid coyote
Oof
light coral
Without any milk
tribal ledge
505 confirmed sniper kills
light coral
The man knew what he was doing
timid coyote
Imagine BF V adding Russians
light coral
And did it well
timid coyote
I would mostly hear the word. Cka Blat
light coral
There probably will be Russians, and David Sirland confirmed if anybody got a separate faction in BF5 it'd probably be the Russians
tribal ledge
They have to add the red Army
timid coyote
Yeah
tribal ledge
A ww2 game without the Red Army
light coral
He said Americans will probably be a part of allies, Japan will probably be a part of axis, but Russians deserved thier own faction
timid coyote
and the T-34’s mow down tigers
timid coyote
I want the mosin
snow ermine
@timid coyote only in fairytales
light coral
Mmm Stalingrad in frostbite
snow ermine
The only tank tank that could penetrate a tiger up front was su152 zveroboy
delicate panther
tides of war bugged?
snow ermine
@delicate panther yes
delicate panther
rip
solid hinge
I just need a KV-2 in my life
solid hinge
Yeah probably
solid hinge
Really love the sturmtiger as well
timid coyote
It’s a nuke
delicate panther
i want the IS to be a tank to play with russians
timid coyote
IS-3
Omaewa
Mou shindewu
Nani?
Rip I need to wait till 2nd of Jan to receive my rewards
Lül
compact oxide
Nani? 
timid coyote
Imagine adding the Dicker Max.
timid coyote
A whole 169mm of penetration…
delicate panther
or the maus
delicate panther
ratte
timid coyote
Add the P.2000 GOTT.
delicate panther
lol, it woudnt even be able to move in maps like rotterdam or devestation
charred heron
Karl Gerät
azure vault
ooof, the valentine with AP rounds fucks up absolutely everything.