first sector in Breakthrough is an uphill battle where the attacking team loses half of their tickets for the entire match
#battlefield-legacy-titles
maiden steppe
dense bone
maybe no in casual, but im ranked you always switch sides
maiden steppe
it's so easy to defend first sector
dense bone
that shit doesnt happen on bfv
maiden steppe
just fire down at flags from high ground
scenic beacon
mg42 is wonderful for defending that sector
viscid cypress
It's so annoying that to get the emergency track repair on the PZ.38T I have to give up the Autocannon, making the Track Repair pointless anyway.
maiden steppe
I once sat inside grass that was in some corner on the left side of attacking forces spawn in Hamada
with MG42 I racked up a 20 kill streak before people noticed where I was
it's that easy to defend
and this isn't even considering how you simply must peek from high ground to shoot down at flags if you wanna defend most effectively
best Breakthrough map is Devestation IMO
scenic beacon
thats the support classes problem. No one moves ever. if someone was a good aggressive mmg player that kept moving, support would be really hard to counter, right now most of em play it way too slow
a really aggressive mg42. oof
lucid violet
the broken bipod system scares them xd
karmic summit
If just one squad would come with me ;_;
marble phoenix
mannn the flanking game plan >>>>>>
whenever im squad leader i'll set the furthest objective as attack just to see if they catch my drif
maiden steppe
with flanking you gotta get past those cheeky 1-2 players that guard a flank before you go on your spree
so yeah duo-flanking works well lol
scenic beacon
i can't play lmgs tbh, im an mmg main. Only way i can even play assault is with the ribeyrolles bc of the bipod. I play mmgs so much, i instinctively just hit the deck every 5 seconds with any class. hell i cant play medic for shite
maiden steppe
and I can't play MMGs because bipoding woes
scenic beacon
i just lay down behind a corner instead of around, gives me more time to fix it
maiden steppe
hard to be aggressive with them on certain maps where it doesn't even let me deploy on the perfect flanking spots
lucid violet
when mmgs change the way your brain works xd
scenic beacon
ikr
lucid violet
so best mmg in your opinion?
scenic beacon
42
maiden steppe
this is why whenever I use MG42 I slap on 1200 RPM spec to shotgun people
lucid violet
the 42 is fast as it is i think
scenic beacon
its actually a pretty good counter to snipers. They either stay in cover or try and beat 16 bullets per second
scenic beacon
basically
34 has a little more control and range, but i find it pointless to use as the 42 can kill faster at almost all ranges
lucid violet
and the VGO?
scenic beacon
a watered down 42
lucid violet
oof
scenic beacon
cant have sustained fire
glad lily
VGO is bastard child
scenic beacon
yep
a faster 34, a slower 42
i like its sights, but not much else
overheat vs ammo count just makes it less optimal to use for flanks than the 42
glad lily
If only bipods worked 
scenic beacon
i guess, but just the low ammo count for it throws me off, maybe just me as a 42 main tho
rocky verge
The mg42 deleats people @scenic beacon
scenic beacon
yep
scenic beacon
thats why i main it
glad lily
Speaking of working, anyone else wants to find out how exactly CC suppose to work and when is the premium currency launch. We should aim to get this answered on today's AMA
scenic beacon
i have so many moments where i just lay down and hold trigger till overheat, and walk out with 6-7-8 kills before repositioning
beautiful
rocky verge
I don't let the gun overheat
scenic beacon
if there are way too many people i have no choice, but from 1-5 people i dont let it
rocky verge
Also wish we can change the gun on tanks from mg34 to mg42 or no?
scenic beacon
nah
lucid violet
just lvl 50 and the cc just stopped coming
granite rune
mg42 was not really used in tanks @rocky verge
rocky verge
Hmm
lucid violet
can I even spec everything with base lvl 50 cc
granite rune
its because the barrel was almost impossible to change
you can look it up its quite interesting
boreal sail
For the last task of ToW(Look Up) do i have to call the rocket strike or just be in the squad who calls it?
stuck plaza
granite rune
all messed up
Erma-EMP
MP28
MP40
M1928 Thompson
Sten MKII
MP34
KP-31
Welgun (PL)
Ribeyrolles 1918 (PL)(L) (Not sure if is the SMG)
Sterling (PL)(L)
ZK383 (PL)(L)
Lanchester (PL)(L)
some of these are now actually out so hmm?
and since we don't have any smg's yet can we see one of these over the holidays
rocky verge
Lanchester is all i need
rocky verge
@viscid cypress just hipfire fhen your a true stormtrooper
Yeah but no one has it yet
viscid cypress
The Lanchester is literally just an MP28 with different sights
granite rune
M30
Sjogren (PL)
Model 12 (PL)
M1897 Trench Gun (PL)
12G (Aka Browning Auto-5)
some of the shotty;s
opaque cipher
Only Model 12 isn’t in
viscid cypress
BAR when
opaque cipher
Bar is coming
viscid cypress
It better
granite rune
i can't post the assaults cause thats too long lol
opaque cipher
MG30 too
opaque cipher
I hope they use the 30 round mag for MG30
granite rune
here ya go
strong matrix
I think if they made assault weapons to be medic weapons and medic weapons to be assault the game wouldve been better
granite rune
have fun with it
viscid cypress
Of course it won't be with the BAR variable fire rate, so that pisses me off.
And by better, you mean horribly unbalanced.
opaque cipher
Nah just buff medic guns
Medics should never be allowed beyond close range
For the sake of the entire team
opaque cipher
Bet
rugged cairn
hey guys, can I just double check, for the V1/JB2 kills for ToW, is it indivudal, or does the whole squad get it
viscid cypress
Also, I want the M2 Flamer
strong matrix
actually if the guns were reversed people will attack with assault
viscid cypress
If the guns were reversed, medics would never die
strong matrix
they will to support
viscid cypress
If they're bad
opaque cipher
Assaults are good when they float between close to medium range
Since they need to stay a bit further back to spot tanks
But can push aggressively with dynamites
strong matrix
i feel that medics should be with the assault weapons so they can plpay medium long range and use smokes to go in after assault to revive
opaque cipher
Medics have no jobs beyond revives and cover pushes
strong matrix
assault should be melee,close range
viscid cypress
I really wish Dynamite was still usable by more classes, same with smoke.
opaque cipher
Assault is not melee though
strong matrix
yes in this game is dumb lul
opaque cipher
strong matrix
assault has the best guns to win every fight
opaque cipher
Recons get ass because they’re recons
rugged cairn
for the V1/JB2 kills for ToW, is it indivudal, or does the whole squad get it
strong matrix
whole squad
rugged cairn
huh ok
viscid cypress
You realize STG is the name for two guns in the game, right?
strong matrix
the 44
rugged cairn
from what I heard it was bugged so only squad ldr gets it
viscid cypress
STG 1-5, STG 44
strong matrix
also i feel all the no movement penalty while ads perks should be removed
they are crazy op u can boom and zoom like a retard
strong matrix
doesnt feel its nerfed
opaque cipher
You’ll notice it
strong matrix
also u can pick the leenfield on the recon get the perks
opaque cipher
After 4 inputs or so
strong matrix
and just body shot like a retard
and other snipers can win because u are quick as fuck
strong matrix
if u head glitch on some spot and adad spam u cant be killed
sleek tartan
it is yes
strong matrix
when did they nerfed it i played today
sleek tartan
it has always been like so
opaque cipher
Since alpha
sleek tartan
😦
opaque cipher
strong matrix
i do it all the time
sleek tartan
on the third one you'll stand still
maybe you don't understand what adad spam is...
dense bone
why spam adad when you should mix it uo
sleek tartan
no. Its the same. On the second attempt you already get a slowdown, on the third again. fourth you almost dont move
its the same for jump and adad
strong matrix
that the movement perks are op should be removed
opaque cipher
strong matrix
cuz u are forced down that path
viscid cypress
Jump spamming is in no way a good idea
strong matrix
its even worse sniper duels if the other dude has leenfield
sleek tartan
It's so op you have a kd of 2? dafuq?
strong matrix
i play solo pubs
dense bone
2 kd for solo pubs is solid af
dense bone
@sleek tartan dont you play in a full try hard scenario?
strong matrix
but if i have squad ive done like 90-1ish 70-5/6 infantry only
solid hinge
yay and thats the 5th time today ive gotten 4 kills with a v1 and no challenge
so fun
sleek tartan
I don't know man, you might argue that the movement changes still feel very crisp and fast, too much, but adad spam is not an issue because as I told you, first "A" is fine, first "D" gets a slowdown, and next "A" again a harsh slowdown, then on the next click you just dont move
you can see it for yourself, dont take my word
viscid cypress
Completely off topic, but someone said my name over voice yesterday and I realized I misspelled it.
strong matrix
i checked it lets say you peak
with somebody and he doesnt have the perk and runs one side
dense bone
well yea, but dont you play with a squad commonly too? i forget who said they did
strong matrix
and u run another side u can basicly curcle him before he can even aim down sights
ive juked so many people hipfireing
sleek tartan
I never play with a squad, if any I play with one guy. And very rarely with 2 guys for a total of 3.
dense bone
sorry must be other person
strong matrix
i play with bums
dense bone
but 2 kdr is like top 15%, and i would think people getting higher kd than that are MOSTLY vehicle or camp padding their kdr
strong matrix
yeah
not rly nyphon
i tank alot of KDA first 2 weeks because i couldnt fix my mouse on this game
dense bone
imo theres very few people that dont pad their kd that go higher than that
strong matrix
if u are good u can have 3kda solo infantry
if u squad spam with other tryharders
5+ 6kda
dense bone
vehicle abusing (ju88 bomb spamming), sniper camping at end of map, basically whatever it takes to lessen deaths and not caring about other stats
maiden steppe
KDA?
strong matrix
shroud has 3kda
opaque cipher
lol JU88 is not that good
dense bone
not anymore
opaque cipher
Yeah
maiden steppe
I know that every game on Battle.net measures KDA
opaque cipher
Less bombs and AA do more damage
maiden steppe
Black Ops 4, Destiny 2, Overwatch, etc.
dense bone
it wasnt uncommon to see a ju88 go 50+ kills with a few to no deaths
dense bone
but that was an example of padding kd
sleek tartan
IDK I'm probably not a good example, but even if there wasn't revives in the game I would still have a kd of like 4.6
opaque cipher
You can’t outrun fighters
strong matrix
4.6 infantry ?
dense bone
@sleek tartan idk how you play, but i know your good, so you definitely are not a good example
opaque cipher
Autocannons are far superior
dense bone
im definitely above average, and im sitting at 2.5 kdr roughly
strong matrix
avg is below 2kda
sleek tartan
but I can really appreciate what is op
opaque cipher
KDA is the number you use to feel good
viscid cypress
Average is like slightly over 1
dense bone
^
opaque cipher
KD is a measure of how average you are
dense bone
mathematically average is 1
sleek tartan
1.49kd is 49%
dense bone
hes casual, i wouldnt call him a bum
sleek tartan
so that is apparently below average
strong matrix
he had 1.4kda in bf1 as well
dense bone
i said mathematically, which is different than active people
sleek tartan
but your mathematical formula doesn't take into consideration revives
opaque cipher
I have a KD of 1.06 or something
sleek tartan
you would be right if they didnt exist
dense bone
1 kill is 1 death across the board (not counting suicides), so "average" by math terms 1, but those people dont keep playng
opaque cipher
Too busy getting coins than farming kills
strong matrix
also this game matchmaking is wack as fuck when nobody is doing anything
i cant just sit and afk and farm kills
proven quartz
dense bone
ahh shit, you are right, i forgot revives dont take away kills
strong matrix
its the speed
opaque cipher
The starting few inputs are definitely there
strong matrix
on top of 60 tickrate
sleek tartan
Drunkz has already stated publicly that they have worked on the animation for those side to side walking changes
that will make it be less harsh
opaque cipher
BFV servers are not 60 tick iirc
strong matrix
are they worse
dense bone
so a buff for movement? sweet
opaque cipher
Yes
sleek tartan
so he can reduce the penalty to ADAD but not have that bad part that we do now
dense bone
i use all the movement buffs that my guns come with
strong matrix
like get a dude on ur level of skill im sure u have one of those
and snipe dual with him where he had glitches with leenfield
proven quartz
strong matrix
and movement perks
sleek tartan
The main idea you need to extract of what he is sayins is that, the problem is not so much the speed of "ADAD" or even acceleration values
its the animations
that twitch and move really fast when doing so
and are very unpredictable
leading to what we percieve as a lot of adad spam
opaque cipher
Tbh BFV hitbox is pretty big
sleek tartan
when in reality, there's a lot of penalties to it right now
proven quartz
sleek tartan
and personally I have hard times with it already
dense bone
inso with the emotes but nothing else
sleek tartan
@strong matrix did you play incursions?
sleek tartan
I understand. I played Incursions competitively in Penta sports, we didnt do too many tournaments, but we did 2 that were quite high level as the only competitive people left did play it
there, ADAD spam was at it's full potential
before the fix for ADAD spam in BF1
and it had 120hz servers, and as you know, the more you increase tickrate, the bigger acceleration was
opaque cipher
Oh god the ADAD in BF1
sleek tartan
so it was a nightmare
strong matrix
so what u saying is u r german 😛
strong matrix
i liked the sliding
sleek tartan
I know about this issue of ADAD spam a lot, I talked in the discord for incursions and gave a lot of feedback about it (my feedback for incursions is why im dice friend)
opaque cipher
Everyone might as well be teleporting
sleek tartan
And the issue there as well was the animations too, because your character leaned his whole body a lot to the side he was moving
and it makes it even harder to hit
strong matrix
when i got BF1 all the dlcs were already out
basicly i got it 1 patch before tha last TTK patch
rocky verge
Give medic smgs and shotguns?
strong matrix
i used to beat penta in sc2
rocky verge
Not just smg
strong matrix
and they are german org
sleek tartan
yes they are
opaque cipher
Give medics shotguns
Might as well
Inb4 every medic uses slug and drilling to snipe
dense bone
medics need range, not shotguns
opaque cipher
strong matrix
before they give people other guns
opaque cipher
Medic don’t need range
opaque cipher
They move away from extreme CQC they stop using smoke and giving revives
dense bone
they definitely dont need a shottie
opaque cipher
Or handing bandages to people that need them
opaque cipher
Might as well make their job better
dense bone
i agree, i like that medics are cqc basically only
sleek tartan
I would argue that in a game like Battlefield, even with a lot of smokes, medic still needs a bit more of range. And that smgs are a tad weak, making it not so much fun, more team oriented, like a support on a MOBA.
strong matrix
also another thing that is stupid
opaque cipher
But don’t give them range beyond what they already have
sleek tartan
I dislike mobas. I like fps.
dense bone
but man does that also suck with some maps like hamada
sleek tartan
but that's personal taste.
opaque cipher
Maybe bump the damage falloff
strong matrix
which moba LUL
dense bone
which is more range
opaque cipher
But at a certain distance it’ll drop sharply so it’s not viable at all
sleek tartan
Like Overwatch, the mix of FPS and MOBA I was thinking about
I don't want BF to lean into that
strong matrix
overwatch is hella bad game
opaque cipher
I’d say around where MGs become a 5 btk is good
strong matrix
dont know what u can take from that game
they copied mechanics from other shooters and washed them down
opaque cipher
Bragging rights
sleek tartan
I take the lesson that if you make medics (or healers) not fun, no one wants them
because its an fps after all
when you make them fun and viable, they do
strong matrix
i agree i think medics should be the most op class most viable
opaque cipher
You know what’s really fun though
strong matrix
like in bf3
sleek tartan
I also tend to think that, if there is one class that I want to be more op, so there is more, is medics
opaque cipher
You manage your team
dense bone
^
opaque cipher
Keep everyone fast and healthy
dense bone
id be down for that
dense bone
because right now everyone plays assault even though they are ass and should be medic to actually help team
strong matrix
also another thing
sleek tartan
Hahaha, funnily, that damage change vs infantry comes from incursions too
and there, it made sense
because it was 5v5
opaque cipher
And suppression so assaults can’t just peak, die and respawn on teammates and do it again
strong matrix
you spawn the special tank from squad the croc
enemies spawn german light tank he outguns you
opaque cipher
Man
sleek tartan
german light infantry tank is the best imho
opaque cipher
Valentine needs to take the 3 20mm guns to have smoke shells
But the 20mm guns are shit
Well
strong matrix
ive done some crazy runs with tiger but thats it
opaque cipher
They’re not shit
strong matrix
i feel tanks are crap
solid hinge
Incursions 🤮🤮
opaque cipher
But they overheat too fast
strong matrix
to win as a tank u need atleast 3 people playing with you
and i play solo pubs so hard to do that
sleek tartan
I can play pretty consistent with the tanks, but I would say you pretty much need a repair guy like you need a medic
otherwise you either die more or take time to repair and rearm too often
opaque cipher
Yeah you need a gunner and a guy on repairs
sleek tartan
repair guy can be gunner too tho most of the time
opaque cipher
Gunner obviously because you tunnel vision when firing down on infantry
strong matrix
or u need a guy who can be gunner and jump out etc
sleek tartan
If you ever see a guy called "justHormigaZ" and then "HormigaZsSupport" ... those are me and my friend 🤣
opaque cipher
Nah guy on repairs needs to float between repair and top guns
opaque cipher
At least you can duck now
opaque cipher
Ye
sleek tartan
being able to duck, it sucks less. But he could do with a bit of cover to make it really viable
right now its so easy to snipe him
opaque cipher
But he needs to look out for assaults sneaking up to me
strong matrix
i just dont understanad how
opaque cipher
Because I can’t and the second gunner can’t
strong matrix
they didnt make an option to be in the tank and ortate the mg
im pretty sure u can do that IRL
strong matrix
tanks are wack as fuck
opaque cipher
Imagine three MGs all going at the same time
strong matrix
things i hate most right now are unable to see people
sleek tartan
for me the worse part of the tanks is the new aiming system
yes I know, its good for balance
strong matrix
and mg dudes and matchmaking
sleek tartan
but it makes for such an unfun gameplay
you feel like when you were really bad at fps
struggling to aim
strong matrix
what do u mean new aim system
that switching from 3rd to 1st its not on the same spot or what
opaque cipher
The slow turret turn
sleek tartan
Yeah, the slow turret. In Bf4, basically they could rotate infinitely fast.
dense bone
i hated that tanks could do that
sleek tartan
In BF1, they added (with incursions 😛 ) a slowdown past some degrees
dense bone
im glad they changed it
sleek tartan
now the slowdown is always there
dense bone
fucking tanks busting a 360 rocket kill on me because they could
strong matrix
bf4 tank is unkillable if u have good mates
sleek tartan
I also disliked the old style.
unreal garnet
Oh yeah 
I would love to have BF3 brought up to 2018 https://youtu.be/ZRhsjQDIXBI
sleek tartan
But for me the best of them all was the one currently in BF1
if you just move a few degrees, let's say 30 or so
you don't have a slowdown
strong matrix
tanks in bf1 are also fuckin stupid
sleek tartan
so you can actually aim
opaque cipher
Buff heavy tank turret turn rate and speed
strong matrix
everybody camped like a bitch
sleek tartan
but camping like a bitch is what you promote with the new turret speed bro
not the other way
opaque cipher
I miss being able to drive onto point as tank in BF4
sleek tartan
if they can't react to things close, obvious brain reaction is "STAY AWAY BRUH"
opaque cipher
Have you been bombarded by the AA tanks
sleek tartan
its basical survival functions kicking in there
strong matrix
i dont know how to balance it its arcade game
if its some simulator i have ideas but for arcade its aids eather way
sleek tartan
As I said, for me the best idea right now that we have is the one for BF1.
If you only move your turret a bit, it can move so fast that it doesnt really make a difference
but it only works for a small range
if you need to do like half a turn
it kicks in at some point
which can be balanced
dense bone
does bfv system just make you rely on gunners
sleek tartan
and then it's not fucked up too
dense bone
otherwise if you have a fast gun the driver can use they can just solo effectively
sleek tartan
I know turret rotation speed for them is a way to balance tanks
but the stuff from BF1 doesnt fight that neither
you can tune each tank different
so each one reacts different, so it triggers the slowdown before
and it might have different slowdowns
it's very tunable
dense bone
idk, i see the current system as giving them power, but being dependent on others to really achieve, which is how it should be imo
opaque cipher
Yeah you have to rely on top gunner
sleek tartan
that's valid too
opaque cipher
Nah depends on the tank
sleek tartan
there's often various sides to stuff
opaque cipher
Light tanks are blazing fast
If they don’t tunnel vision they can outrun everything
strong matrix
i dont understand like the brits have the staghound
and intsed of adding the puma to the axis
opaque cipher
Medium tanks have a bit of a fighting chance
dense bone
you shouldnt be able to be good as a solo in a tank, that just sounds dumb to me
strong matrix
they gave them light panzer
opaque cipher
Heavy tanks are just bad rn
opaque cipher
Heavy tanks are just bad in general rn tbh
simple marlin
jesus christ, this is too obvious
opaque cipher
They need a bit of a buff
dense bone
solo plane are not likely to stomp infantry
sleek tartan
@dense bone well, let's say its open to different tastes. and that you disagree with him, ok? 😄
simple marlin
can they at least give actual WW2 weapons and stop recycling BF1 asserts
dense bone
ive never been stomped by any plane other than ju88
sleek tartan
I don't think a tank should be 100% effective without gunners, for sure, but I don't think you should be helpless.
opaque cipher
Try the Mosquito
dense bone
which they need a gunner to keep them up
opaque cipher
4x autocannons
sleek tartan
Also, for me the issue doesn't lie so much on the balance but on the fun.
I would say that arguably, the current turret makes for an unfun experience
opaque cipher
Stuff with dumbfire rockets can also strafe infantry
To very good effects
And splash damage guns
dense bone
all i know outside of early ju88, i have not died to a plane more than 3 times in any match
sleek tartan
You guys ever played a game locked at 30fps?
thats how tanks feel
do you like 30fps gaming?
opaque cipher
10*
strong matrix
no i never owned a console sry
sleek tartan
😄
sleek tartan
are you declaring yourself masochist publicly?
opaque cipher
Yes
sleek tartan
😄
opaque cipher
Abuse me daddy
sterile ingot
I played witcher 3 on my 2011 macbook pro
opaque cipher
Tiger is honestly great
sterile ingot
had to go into the configs to change the settings below minimum level
dense bone
5 kda... when "average" is 1.5
sleek tartan
I played Flight simulators such as FSX at like 15-20fps
strong matrix
if they buff the tank to 1 shot people when u fire at them
sleek tartan
for 1000s of hours
strong matrix
they should be fine
opaque cipher
My tank KDA is 4
sleek tartan
that's why tank bring PTSD to me
opaque cipher
Aerodrome is great for tank farming
dense bone
so tanks kda are way higher than the average kda, and we are trying to argue tanks suck?
sterile ingot
4/5 kd in tanks seems kinda low to me? im not a tank expert
sterile ingot
but I would imagine you should be able to get more than 4 or 5 kills per life in a tank
strong matrix
also its hard to get into a tank
sleek tartan
@dense bone but... shouldn't tank kds should be much higher than infantry after all?
strong matrix
retards spawn it non stop
opaque cipher
Also yeah decent tank KD is 7-10
strong matrix
usually i have to redeploy to get a tank
opaque cipher
Much like BF1 plane KD
sleek tartan
there's like 1 2 or 3 per team with the exception of some maps
opaque cipher
And dreadnought KD
dense bone
they should, AND THEY ARE, so is it not balanced?
sleek tartan
they arent...
i'd like to know it, but in battlefieldtracker the kd for tanks is bugged
opaque cipher
This is less about tank vs infantry
dense bone
1.5 kdr to 4-5 kdr isnt a big difference?
sleek tartan
where do you get that value from?
strong matrix
buff the tank main gun or make the mg kill people in 2-3 hits max
sleek tartan
and no, not really good enough imho
dense bone
you said 50% kdr is at 1.5, and we are having 4-5 kd right now
sleek tartan
who is having 4-5 right now
sleek tartan
the 1.5 I took it from Battlefieldtracker
dense bone
the only people to comment on their tank kd
sleek tartan
so I know for sure
opaque cipher
Main gun needs bigger blast
sleek tartan
not from who comments
opaque cipher
Suppression
strong matrix
if they dont buff the main gun dmg
dense bone
does it say tank kd?
opaque cipher
Oh yes definitely
sleek tartan
no .. it doesnt show its broken
opaque cipher
Give them to bombs too
dense bone
so all we have as of now is whats been said here
strong matrix
no i mean not v1 dmg
dense bone
im not saying that the best, but its all we got
strong matrix
just the animation when u shoot u give him 60 dmg and knock him down
sterile ingot
i need to hit lv 20 recon so i can stop ruining my kd and never play that class again
opaque cipher
You get hit by a tank shell you should die
sleek tartan
Well, if we take the value of kd 4.5 (average of 4 or 5) as good, I'd say its not good enough
it would make it dumb to take the tank for the most part
dense bone
whaaat?1
opaque cipher
@sleek tartan speaking from experience
dense bone
for JUST being in a tank youre tripling your kd and you say thats not good enough?
strong matrix
im not good tank and i have 5kda i play solo
strong matrix
im pretty sure anybody who duos and tank spams
dense bone
...
sterile ingot
Think about it Nyphon if you only get 4 kills per life in a tank you are probably bad in tanks
strong matrix
or was a bf4 tanker he has like 7ish KDA
dense bone
imo this is a very weak argument to saying tanks are weak
what do you want?
to increase your kd by 10 or more?
sleek tartan
@dense bone it's not just being in the tank, its being in a very important asset for your team. One that in theory, should be used and taken with resposability.
strong matrix
yes
sterile ingot
bf4 tanks would go 88-4 lol
dense bone
sounds like a joke to me
strong matrix
there should be OP things in the game
dense bone
...
strong matrix
but there also should be absolute counters to them
opaque cipher
Again, good tanker KD in games back then averages at 10
dense bone
if there are counters its not exactly op
proper sundial
That was because there was no restrictions back then
dense bone
unless they are very weak counters
lucid violet
if you play it smart with a tank you get 20+ killstreaks alot
strong matrix
it is if u dont have the counter
lucid violet
whats the issue
dense bone
like AA dmg to ju88 before
proper sundial
There was no turret speeds on PC, no limited ammo
sleek tartan
I'm just saying that what is the point of having or taking this vehicles that are so limited if you are just going to be able to kill 2-3 more guys than if you didn't? and then it takes 2-3 min to respawn again?
glad lily
All I want is maincannon to do damage when shell lands at peoples feet
proper sundial
Anyone with a brain could jump into a tank in BF4 and go 50-0
sleek tartan
idk, ive never been a fan of vehicles to begin with
opaque cipher
@sleek tartan dude you need to play some tanks
lucid violet
like if you get that kind of potential why complain
sleek tartan
@opaque cipher are you assuming I didnt? 
strong matrix
i feel t anks should command the field
dense bone
im just saying, you TRIPLE you kd by being in a tank, and you want MORE... that sounds dumb
tripling isnt a small feat
sterile ingot
If you get a buddy pocket repairing your tank its damn near invincible
sterile ingot
unless you are in a stupid spot
strong matrix
u are talking about camping
dense bone
im sorry you have to go back to infantry while you wait for spawn and dont triple kd while youre not in tank...
opaque cipher
If you don’t get caught off 10 KD is easy
strong matrix
camping is fine thats not the point of a tank
when u have a tank u push with it u support infantry thats the role of a tank
and u cant do that in bf u die
even if u have 4 people reparing u
sleek tartan
I'm not the kind of guy that says that "Battlefield isn't Battlefield without vehicles" at all, I rather play Domination than Conquest. But if they are going to be here, and in a limited number, we should make them both fun and powerful. I think dice follows that logic with me. Of course, you are open to disagree. If it was just me I would delete most vehicles at have them be something you can only do well if you are incredibly good and that's it, so most people didn't even bother.
icy sluice
S-Mine launchers on tanks are useful
opaque cipher
You can drive tanks onto points and actively push in BF4
Because you had missile kill counters
sterile ingot
AA tanks need a nerf
opaque cipher
And you’re an extremely valuable asset
dense bone
tripling kd is powerful, fun is subjective
icy sluice
Nope
sleek tartan
I also don't think that tanks are too weak right now, I think they are being promoted to a style of gameplay we dont like (camping far away)
opaque cipher
And far more vulnerable to damage
strong matrix
in bf4 if 2 people are good a tank u need
sleek tartan
And that they are unfun to play
strong matrix
whole squad to put them down
glossy locust
yeah so does anyone else think assault is the best class by miles?
opaque cipher
Which promotes the camping gameplay
dense bone
@glossy locust yes
sterile ingot
Flakpanzer on Arras sitting in deployment on german side is literally unkillable unless you get 2 rocket spitfires or something
strong matrix
so its fun for you and ur bud and fun for the enemies if they are cordinated
icy sluice
@glossy locust not me
sterile ingot
but a single blenheim cant bomb it
dense bone
i started medic, went assault, and all my stats are increasing
glossy locust
i instantly started getting way more kills when i switched to assault from recon last night
lucid violet
if you follow infantry you can close with tanks though...
glossy locust
and less deaths
sleek tartan
@dense bone I still would like to see actual numbers and statistics on tank kd, I see a lot of people getting it and dying right away without making anything at all
glossy locust
and higher SPM
dense bone
@sleek tartan i agree
icy sluice
I like when I'm a tank and friendlies get near me
sleek tartan
I would say average is going to be more like on kd of 2.5
dense bone
i use my whole assault kit on tanks, cant take out any alone
opaque cipher
You can
strong matrix
also vehicles balance depends on map
dense bone
sticky dynamite, panzerfaust, and anti tank mines
strong matrix
like in bf1 that russian open map
opaque cipher
AT nade, three panzerfaust or PiaT to the ass
strong matrix
the arty tank was aids as fuck
glossy locust
recon is so underpowered support is good with right guns
opaque cipher
A Tiger goes boom
sleek tartan
Personally, when I play tank, I always feel like the whole team is on me super mad.
glossy locust
medics are underpowered
dense bone
AT nades are not dependent
strong matrix
recon if u dont land hs pick leenfield get the speed perks
sleek tartan
I do feel like they are a tad weak in some situations that don't make sense in the game currently
strong matrix
and body shot
sleek tartan
because after all, its a game, and unless we want them to camp away
we need to make them fun to go into objectives
opaque cipher
Yeah you cannot kill tanks from the front
sterile ingot
ZH29 is one of the best guns in the game
sleek tartan
thats the main idea i want you guys to take away from me
sterile ingot
Not that many people use it thought
opaque cipher
Unless you have a supply of rockets to nail turrets
Otherwise just flank them
Start with nade, dynamite
Then AT launchers
dense bone
should start with dynamite, you need to get 2 on them and that takes longer
if you throw nade first they are just aware you are there and can counter
opaque cipher
Eh, not quite
strong matrix
i think for classes
dense bone
plant 2 dynamites, activate, throw nade, make distance and use launchers
opaque cipher
I miss nade icons almost all the time
strong matrix
ke7,shotgun support>assault>recon>medic
dense bone
fastest dps
sleek tartan
And after all this speech, I'm gonna go into the game and do a 50-0 with the AA tank while making sure it doesnt get nerfed muahahahaha
Im so evil
ruby tangle
I think Assault lvl20 Assignments are by far the hardest. Am i the only one? 
sterile ingot
jihad jeeps are still a think btw you just need 2 people to put 6 dynamite on a kubelwagen
strong matrix
if u play anything else on support its worse than assault
sterile ingot
its hard but it kinda works
strong matrix
u die in 1 hit in the jeep
dense bone
@sleek tartan youre a monster
sterile ingot
thats true
also if you ram it doesnt work you have to park really close to the tank
strong matrix
btw hormigaz is ur 4.6 kda on domination
sleek tartan
I'm a biased monster
dense bone
yep
strong matrix
or u play all modes ?
dense bone
low ttk is beneficial to campers
ruby tangle
weird flex but ok
sleek tartan
but mainly frontlines domination
strong matrix
yeah figure
cuz those are the mods u can dominate just by infantry play
others u can get cucked by shitty spawn points geting spawn trapped
shit mates
and so on
simple marlin
also, low ttk make so playing attacker horrible
sleek tartan
Yeah... and I don't really like to play with a full squad
simple marlin
cuz campers can just spray you and u instant die
dense bone
i only play neutral modes
sleek tartan
it's hard to get people to coordinate at the level i want
simple marlin
how do you even can like low ttk
sterile ingot
nice hax
sleek tartan
and I'm quite rough
sleek tartan
You'd be surprised though
sterile ingot
play TDM if you want to boost your KD the people in there are the biggest chimps
sleek tartan
infatry level is also higher in domination
solid hinge
What do you mean?
sleek tartan
And I played a lot of conquest matches yesterday that weirdly don't appear on my reports
and i did really well i was impressed
but Its not that fun to me, a lot of empty running around
dense bone
yea i had a bunch of conquest matches from yesterday not come up either
simple marlin
the only moment where low ttk was really more skilled than high ttk was for those very good players and those are a very small percentage of players ..
strong matrix
but i feel better if u dominate in another mode with bums
sleek tartan
I repeat myself so many times, but my issue with the "TTK 0.5" was that you took so long to engage a guy on range, that people reacted and you got shot by multiple people... I don't think thats a camper complain
I found it really hard to fight groups with that TTK, and then, obviously you camp more
not less
sterile ingot
what is your connection like
dense bone
what is ttk .5? high or low ttk?
strong matrix
also have you guys encountered alot of people who first shot HS u 2nd shot bodyshot
every time non stop
dense bone
im infantry only, i used m1a1 to fight groups just fine with the 16 mag variant
didnt camp at all
strong matrix
feels like there is some free cheat or some shit and people buying 30$ copies to cheat
dense bone
which is my big plus
sleek tartan
I can confidently say that on PC I've encountered more cheaters than expected lately
its forbidden to paste actual names here o
but some are pretty obvious
strong matrix
there was 1 dude last night named relaaa_01 just to cover himself up
opaque cipher
@sleek tartan try Asia
strong matrix
giving 1st shot hs 2nd shot body shot he was 130 frags
dense bone
@lucid violet i moved on to the 1-5, its default extended mag m1a1 with SLIGHTLY lower rof
solid hinge
sleek tartan
you sure ut wasn't the actual relaaa though? xd
opaque cipher
Average one cheater per three games
sleek tartan
if he was playing on operations on rotterdam
chances are it was the actual relaaa
and he changes name like every day
strong matrix
nah it was devestation and i joined late
sleek tartan
idk, I found a guy killed Mike the other day that was much worse than what you tell 😛
he had a 99% headshot ratio
in the game report
strong matrix
also its funny that they are always
some 30ish level account
other classes are dogshit he has bad kda
and support like 5KDA
sleek tartan
lets just hope its over after christmas
strong matrix
i doubt it
this game is easy to hack and its casul fuck fest
u cant even team swap on bf1 i used ot run chucking smokes and blocking his view
u cant cuck this people on this game
simple marlin
what FPS isnt easy to "hack" ? tho
sleek tartan
rofl
you just reminded me some guys who were saying i was cheating the other day
were griefing me on my team
strong matrix
something that updates constantly its hard to cheat on
atleast not by free shit and 5$ cheats
sleek tartan
idk man, make sure he is indeed cheating before doing that xd
yesterday night I had a huge argument with basically the whole server
strong matrix
when u play games since 1998 u know
sleek tartan
I told them I am a DICE friend, an old comp player, that they can google my name and see my face, my history on the game and even my twitch channel to see me play
but NO
you cheater
strong matrix
how you can BAIT a dude to
sleek tartan
🤣
strong matrix
see if he is cheating
sleek tartan
I would not disagree but I'm sure you might fuck up sometimes
blazing aspen
In bf5 I cant do anything after a match I cant leave to menu or stay and play another match it will just be loading forever
Its unplayable
strong matrix
alt+f4 is better than qutting
blazing aspen
I play bf5 on ps4
opaque cipher
Aerodrome and Twisted Steel
strong matrix
HAHA
opaque cipher
💦
woven lake
is the shotgun out yet?
strong matrix
well then i can give u some sites to fix your problem like
pcpartpicker and buildyourpc reddit
blazing aspen
I have a pc @strong matrix
opaque cipher
Pump action 12g
blazing aspen
I play Bf1 on pc
opaque cipher
But cannot take extended mag
blazing aspen
I decided I wanted it on ps4
opaque cipher
Abandon all hopes
strong matrix
not gonna argue but like playing stuff on console
that are not singlep layer
u are asking for trouble
opaque cipher
Consoles are for console exclusives only tbh
blazing aspen
I like playing bf5 on ps4
strong matrix
are u a support player
blazing aspen
?
strong matrix
do u like playing supports
blazing aspen
I play assault
random dust
but it has to be as recon
strong matrix
lUl
random dust
it says "Damage enemies for 200 points with AP mines as a recon"
opaque cipher
Yes
It also says “damage enemies for 200 points with assault explosives”
Guess what
I did it with support
blazing aspen
I hadnt even opened my ps4 for like 2 years since I got my pc but I got red dead redemption 2 so I went back to it and it was a nice change @strong matrix @opaque cipher
I still like pc more propably
opaque cipher
Reboot your console I guess
strong matrix
i dont think there is a person alive who will say shooters on consoles better than pc
lucid violet
depends what you like aiming with
opaque cipher
For planes/space fighters stick is better
But you can use that on PC
And it’s a literal upgrade
So why not
blazing aspen
I tried playing ps4 on my tv but it was so horrible when I pressed a button it took like 2 seconds to register but then I tried my computer monitor with the ps4 and it was a lot better
lucid violet
i meant as an infantry
opaque cipher
I gotta outturn these fighters somehow
lucid violet
ull get fucked
blazing aspen
dense bone
so they better nerf them after
simple marlin
looks like the only kind of player that dice care about are the prone camper
make sense
jovial forge
Not really
jovial forge
Bipods are inconsistent so having them fixed makes them proper
simple marlin
Thats not jsut that though
opaque cipher
Nah, the prone campers are megamind support players
simple marlin
there's also that stupid ttk revert
fading gyro
opaque cipher
It’s hard to get into MMG tbh
dense bone
i also see that emote as him pointing a gun
jovial forge
So not advancing into bullets is camping?
opaque cipher
Nah when they keep dying they will start quitting @dense bone
jovial forge
Defending objectives is camping?🤔
dense bone
except most arent defending objectives
they pick a good camping spot and just set up to pad kd
simple marlin
game's so inconsistent to play now
simple marlin
defending is the best thing to do
like, wanna capture that thing with ennemies?
give up it
cuz ttk gonna make u die instantly
jovial forge
Defending is just as important as attacking
simple marlin
good game
dense bone
lets be real, 90% of people dont defend, they leave the moment something is capped for the next point
sleek tartan
sets up MMG thinking he'll own everyone
gets sniped on the first 3 seconds
cries in a corner
opaque cipher
I prone and spray all the time because I get bored of getting into good spots
Kek
But yeah
jovial forge
Only ones I've noticed hating the ttk revert are the ones that get wrecked easily
opaque cipher
Most people go prone and hit jack shit
dense bone
thats funny you say that @jovial forge
jovial forge
Cus they cant cheese it in the open