Which is why bad teams lose
#battlefield-legacy-titles
jovial forge
dense bone
hell 1 team COULD win, but if they arent trying is a factor
how do you factor in trying vs not trying as an equation
jovial forge
4 guys can do well but still lose the match overall. Simple
gray glade
so often you see players with great k/d and high scores dont teamplay though
because they arent trying to attack or whatever
jovial forge
^
dense bone
if this persons trying 100% vs their not trying is 80% or are they super bad if they dont try and its 50%
kd isnt the end all
no one said that
kindred orchid
Back capping, taking attention away from huge conflicts.
dense bone
i mean, theres so many ways to do things in a game
gray glade
i feel that attacking side in breakthrough/airborne is where many players fail to understand proper tactics
dense bone
laying down in a hidden spot can help
or it cant
theres some constantly changing "equation" that determines your likelihood of winning, you are a part of that and CAN carry, but its just not likely
gray glade
almost everytime im on on a defense and the attacking team is doing really poorly its really obvious that they arent really attacking
they are taking position outside of the captureable area and just fragging most of the time
no smokes or trying to push as a group into the area etc
not protecting the tank either
jovial forge
Everytime I play airbourne or breakthrough. For us losing it's mainly because of our side camping or zerging one flag at a time and not splitting up
gray glade
yeah
solid hinge
lots of people don't understand you have to smoke the enemy instead of yourself
dense bone
lol
gray glade
yeah lol
dense bone
^
solid hinge
supreme strats
gray glade
maybe they are pretending they are batman
solid hinge
I can understand if you're trying to res some people and you're desperate
gray glade
just smoke bomb and disappear
jovial forge
Ninja vanish
solid hinge
but loads of people just.. throw it at their own feet
gray glade
i do it to rev ppl tho occasionally
kindred orchid
I think the best is having dead people's ammo marker on the ground next to their body, so you just shoot where the ammo is when smoke is up and get a free medic kill.
dense bone
thats why they need drag
past widget
I cant quit out of queue for another game
kindred orchid
Took out a squad with a grenade cause they all hovered over the dead body in smoke and I tossed in a grenade and they just took it.
past widget
It's forcing me to play another game and then exit that game
The ONLY gun I can get kills with is the Sjogren Inertial Slug(default shotgun)
boreal sail
So is panzerstorm released yet?
dense bone
yes
its a hard map to play as infantry
irritating how limiting you are in optional play areas
tribal ledge
okay
jovial forge
Well its vehicle focused
jovial forge
Thank ttk 2.0
tribal ledge
It's TTK is too slow
solid hinge
aaand here we go again about the ttk
tribal ledge
The fuck am I supposed to do?
dense bone
dont miss
solid hinge
you get 5 smokes?
gray glade
@past widget which platform u on?
past widget
Xbox
jovial forge
I though max was 3 smokes
gray glade
dont take this the wrong way but it just sounds like you might have some movement or game sense issues
solid hinge
nyphon how do you spec your suomi
boreal sail
i cant find any server with panzerstorm as a map
past widget
As in?
gray glade
might need to brush up on the basics
dense bone
@solid hinge purely right tree
solid hinge
you aim down the sights with it?
dense bone
at range, but ill double shot
gray glade
@past widget like, always make sure you have cover , try to not leave flanks open etc
boreal sail
the suomi is for hipfire
dense bone
its risky
gray glade
let the enemy come to you if possible
past widget
Considering I'm playing against cod people
kindred orchid
What gun you talking about?
jovial forge
Cod? What sorcery do you speak of
solid hinge
i tried the left tree but it just burns through a whole mag to kill one person
dense bone
use smokes to get as close as possible and flanks, with the big mag youll drop lots of people
solid hinge
no good
past widget
Like entire squads of people running and gunning im spawning in front of
The starter shotgun
kindred orchid
Oh.
jovial forge
@past widget are you getting spawn killed from base or flags?
gray glade
@past widget i recommend watching more experienced players maybe
kindred orchid
Sounds like they're talking about the Thompson though.
gray glade
and see what they are doing differently
solid hinge
we're using the suomi
past widget
I don't know I spawn in the middle of no where
kindred orchid
Oh.
solid hinge
kyd is using the first shotgun
past widget
And I'm dead before I get a chance to see
kindred orchid
I like the first shotgun.
past widget
Battlefield 1 if you didn't already know
solid hinge
wait
dense bone
yea i use suomi right tree
solid hinge
you're playing bf1?
kindred orchid
😐
past widget
Yeah
dense bone
lol
past widget
Did you think I was playing BF5?
dense bone
im sure everyone thought you were playing bfv
solid hinge
yes
dense bone
its just highly assumed
kindred orchid
12g Automatic is pretty boss.
solid hinge
i hated bf1
past widget
Then why did noone question me saying the Sjogren
solid hinge
i can't remember the names of the guns
gray glade
the idea of survival is the same though
solid hinge
first shotgun in bfv is irrelevant compared to the drilling as well
dense bone
@solid hinge i got you
jovial forge
12g is ironically better in bfv then bf1
gray glade
surviving in battlefield games means you limit the chances your opponent will have free shots on you
kindred orchid
The first shotgun has more potential to wipe out more than 2-3 people back to back.
past widget
The first shotgun is the only gun I've been able to get kills with today
dense bone
good advice @gray glade i dont do that xD
gray glade
dont stand still in an open field just hipfiring if possible etc
@dense bone you'd be surprised tho 😄
past widget
I don't, I'm on the city map whatever it's called
dense bone
my way of playing is "come on fucker, lets shoot eachother, see whose better"
jovial forge
Youd be amazed how many stay out in the open
gray glade
ye
past widget
There's no open fields
gray glade
like i said, watch other players
jovial forge
Zombie is this your first battlefield?
past widget
I played BF4 a while ago
Aaaand a guy spawned behind me even though he didn't have a squad there so I got stabbed in the back
kindred orchid
Yeah.
gray glade
shotguns are kind of limited though
past widget
I got the trench shotgun and I couldn't even hit anyone
solid hinge
the drilling reloads pretty quick too
past widget
With them a foot away from me
kindred orchid
Once you spec it out, it's pretty strong, just no long range option.
gray glade
even in BF1 i recommend learning the game with an assault rifle or something
solid hinge
It's definitely a solid gun
jovial forge
Best I can say is you need some serious practice zombie
kindred orchid
My first gold gun was M30 Drilling though, it was a fun gun to use.
solid hinge
I'd use it if the drilling didn't have a built in sniper
solid hinge
it's very satisfying to kill two people with one barrel each and then hipfire someone with the rifle and quickly pistol them down
gets the blood rushing
kindred orchid
Killing snipers with the Drilling was my favorite.
past widget
Why was I fine yesterday?
past widget
I got a 5kd yesterday and then today I get a 0kd
gray glade
we all have good days and bad days
kindred orchid
I loved BF1's Operation mode.
past widget
And the thing is now I'm more adjusted to controller
kindred orchid
And the immersion of the game was really good.
low shard
Anyone else having problems getting squad revives to be credited in tides of war
gray glade
whenever i have a bad day, i play something else to not give myself bad habits
past widget
So I should at least be somewhat adequate
solid hinge
battlefield can feel more random than other shooters due to the big variation of everything
@low shard tides of war is fucked
dense bone
or you can be like me, and have great days, or have good days
kindred orchid
I always have a class where I always fall back on, and it's Assault.
dense bone
(im totally hamming up the elitist attitude i have been given)
opaque hinge
Elitist
solid hinge
i fall back on support
opaque hinge
Git gud
dense bone
fuck yea i am
solid hinge
it's always got options available
kindred orchid
I'm mediocre.
dense bone
if im only barely positive, i get mad
solid hinge
you got gold! that ain't mediocre
dense bone
fuck that
opaque hinge
I bet u get top 15 every game
dense bone
top 3
opaque hinge
Ooof
kindred orchid
I get top 32 every game.
amber notch
Doesnt that mean you value your kills more than your team?
opaque hinge
I bet u get more than 5 kills a game
kindred orchid
Sometimes.
opaque hinge
I bet u win more than 10% of your games
dense bone
kd means nothing
opaque hinge
You dirty elitist
kindred orchid
I wish.
dense bone
if i get 5 kills i better not have died as well
solid hinge
i bet you've never come bottom by defending one point the entire game that not a single person even looks at
kindred orchid
I see what you did there.
dense bone
good
solid hinge
:3c
past widget
Yeah, I'm done with BF1 for now
kindred orchid
Ultimately, as long as you're having fun, then everything is good.
past widget
2nd day and I already quit for now
dense bone
my source of fun is competition
opaque hinge
Yeah fuck bf1
solid hinge
bf1 didn't feel nearly as fun
dense bone
just depends on game
dense bone
pubg, i loved getting in stupid scenarios and seeing what happened
past widget
BF1 was fun yesterday
opaque hinge
With like all games
kindred orchid
I'm competitive against myself.
opaque hinge
Even irl
past widget
Was doing well and getting good kills
opaque hinge
Always play to win
past widget
Then today I come to it and I literally go 0/12
dense bone
^
solid hinge
it's fun when you do well but it sucks when you don't
opaque hinge
Hate losing a game of pickup even
solid hinge
and it randomizes
dense bone
i wanna win, but if i lose and it was a good game, thats fine with me
solid hinge
feels more random than bfv at least
kindred orchid
Stomps are boring, especially if you're just camping spawns.
opaque hinge
Nice and tense
solid hinge
camping spawns can be funny if you're doing suicide rushes
opaque hinge
Camping spawns is dumb
charred heron
Imo the starting weapons slide into the same rails as the ones in BF4
They're too easy to use, especially when you only use them
solid hinge
If you aren't running 8 seconds into out of bounds to throw dynamite at them then your spawn camping just isn't fun
earnest mirage
Just a question. Has DICE said anything on undoing the ttk update.
charred heron
Why bother trying other guns when the starting weapons are fine as is
solid hinge
check #game-news
dense bone
@earnest mirage they are keeping both
kindred orchid
And I refuse to use the KE7 out of principle.
dense bone
i like you justcynikal
kindred orchid
Hey, thanks.
solar stone
Anyone wanna squad up PS4?
dense bone
i tend to not use "op" things
dont want people to have an excuse for why im good
@solar stone try #lfg-playstation
kindred orchid
There are guns that I just like, IE M1907, STG44, ZH-29.
dense bone
so far ive only used suomi and m1a1
solar stone
K
dense bone
hows stg?
solar stone
I've used stg
kindred orchid
It's not bad, it's a good medium-long range option once you can control the recoil.
solar stone
And the new vgo
dense bone
hmm
kindred orchid
And the recoil is somewhat easy to control.
dense bone
i might try that when i gold my m1a1
kindred orchid
I also use it in single fire mode as a ad-hoc m1a1.
solar stone
Cho is boss with the control over 42
sterile ingot
stg is inferior to the sturmgeweher and m1907 at close range and inferior to the DMRs at long range
it only shines in medium range which is kinda a bad niche to be in
kindred orchid
That's the niche I play in.
dense bone
med range is my nich as well
sterile ingot
You will inevitably have to deal with close range or long range targets though
kindred orchid
Yeah.
sterile ingot
at which point you will be at a disadvantage
kindred orchid
And I do.
dense bone
well long range you can avoid
literally just dont engage
most people arent good enough to punish that
sterile ingot
what if they engage you
kindred orchid
It's not like it's extremely bad at close and long range.
dense bone
leave...
if its long range they gotta land a lot of shots on me to kill me
if they can kill me while im purely dodging, they deserve the kill
kindred orchid
Best option for me has been to hit them once or twice, make them hide, and then move up/around.
kindred orchid
Unless they got good aim, then I deserve to die.
kindred orchid
Smoke and run.
Or smoke and advance.
I don't run, so I always advance and kill or die trying.
dense bone
but yea, most people arent good enough to kill me at range
solid hinge
most people arent good at games
im on top of leaderboards most games
that attests to it
im washed up and trash
solid hinge
i got into a 1v1 last night
i tried to hype the other guy up, but he wasnt having it
i was ready for 1v1 recon match
it let me move for some reason while it waited for players
never seen that happen before
regal sapphire
I don't want to lose the helmet but at the same time I refuse to play with trash ttk
So fuck me I guess
dense bone
core ttk is old ttk
solid hinge
nvm
regal sapphire
It says its faster
dense bone
dice?
regal sapphire
Oh great I got put in the same empty server after 2 mins
dense bone
at least the helmet is ugly as fuck
regal sapphire
True
solid hinge
im in a fuckin 9 vs 17 server
kindred orchid
Yeah, I had one of those the other day.
sullen mist
I'm surprised they still haven't figured out a solution to the Sten having that weird TTD death registration
regal sapphire
I'm gonna cheese the assignment with this guy
kindred orchid
It was like 6 vs. 24.
charred heron
And for real tho, bring back the proper Suppression System
kindred orchid
Literally camping our spawn.
dense bone
thats lame
kindred orchid
Albeit it was Grand Operations, so it was even worse with Airborne and Breakthrough.
charred heron
It's just bullshit that i get punished for trying to kill a sniper and don't come from behind like a rat
kindred orchid
The other team was like 80% recon, 10% assault, 10% medic.
regal sapphire
The new TTK caters to campers so
kindred orchid
Just camping every spot we could land, or sniping us as we dropped from the planes.
solid hinge
yeah mine was airborne just then
charred heron
Congrats for punching a hole in my head with your damn rifle, now go back to your mom and recieve a lollipop from her for your incredible skill
charred heron
But yeah, it's not like we never had a problem with snipers before when the old TTK was (is) a thing
solid hinge
great now it's hamada
hamada with 7 on either side
I'm not sticking around for one person at every fuckin point
regal sapphire
There's only one core server in my region and it's empty
solid hinge
it was populated and then half my team left because they couldn't plant on the artillery within the first wave
regal sapphire
Lol
charred heron
Oh, and why do allied pilots don't bother to fly over your AA even after you told them in the chat that they have this damn option?
solid hinge
lameos
south hound
can you still do tides of war on core ?
jovial forge
Its common knowledge that blueberries will be blueberries
mixed bag of wtf
One second they're on point and the next leaves you wondering what the heck happened
dense bone
new ttk is better for campers, since they can kill faster, less time to retaliate
jovial forge
Campers will camp regardless
solid hinge
snipers have so little sway once you pick custom stock
charred heron
"We at DICE HQ need to make the game even more braindead and catering to potatos, so that's why we change the entire killing mechanic so even the DAO can get a decent streak sometimes"
solid hinge
you can pop heads with ease
remember that snipers haven't changed
and lots of campers pick sniper
jovial forge
technically they have
dense bone
@charred heron new ttk is better for people with better aim
solid hinge
really?
jovial forge
slrs are worse off now
jovial forge
bolt actions werent touched
solid hinge
..making the recon close range weapons worse encourages long range weapons and by extension camping
ecks dee
jovial forge
a Recon hanging out somewhere is normal unfornately if they're the useless type
lilac crag
do i need to do that "calling" challenge
solid hinge
i had to get 14 stationary weapon kills until it counted
regal sapphire
Anyway to find Core conquest without matchmaking it?
solid hinge
try getting 28 rockets
lilac crag
do i need to do both the challenges before i unlock the rocket challenge
charred heron
@dense bone Because aiming with nerf guns is very difficult, yes
lilac crag
feels like i have to
solid hinge
no it's just broken
lilac crag
ok
dense bone
becqause you need to aim more to kill now
jovial forge
It being broken is sadly case by case
solid hinge
really starting to think dice don't actually know how to use frostbite
lilac crag
seems like they dont
some people are getting the ratburner
but how is it broken
this is lame
solid hinge
i'm kinda sad you cant destroy the entire house anymore
jovial forge
Its a case by case issue with it being broken
Being able to drop an entire house. The BC2 in me would of rejoiced
However I understand why you cant
solid hinge
keeping cover u mean?
compact oxide
I found the new ttk doesn't reward me for aiming, it rewards me for camping
jovial forge
Yeah, it runs in hand with the new fortification mechanic.
drop a building entirely and you can't fortify that
solid hinge
the assignments just don't work sometimes
gl fortifying the staircase that is left
assignments are the most broken thing rn
jovial forge
OOF , I hate when players camp a building with its staircase destroyed.
Its like we just capped this objective and someone is still here
solid hinge
🤔 why did they give the assault 2 panzerfausts when its a single use weapon
jovial forge
Because Assault would cry if they couldn't yolo tanks
kindred orchid
This one guy hid on an objective for a good 5-10 minutes while me and one other guy just ran around in circles looking for him.
solid hinge
it's a very effective tactic to camp in enemy's flag in frontline
lilac crag
they better bring in the m1 bazooka in the US update
jovial forge
Panzerstorm's B Flag at the church is a fiendish objective to take. Litterally had all our tanks surrounding the building dumping rounds in it to kill a squad of medics
That pop out like roaches and flee back in
regal sapphire
Oh god this game is running like absolute trash now
jovial forge
Watched my poor squadmate get dropped 6 times before we killed em
charred heron
Best Squad
3/4 of them are Snipers
amber notch
have you updated your drivers?
charred heron
regal sapphire
Yes
I even formatted my PC to make it be better
And I have the FPS counter on, and its staying at 60
But its constantly stuttering
dense bone
medics cant kill, but are hard to kill as well lol
kindred orchid
Only time it's needed is when you're navy sealing it in the water.
soft storm
Does anybody else feel like the Blenheim Mk 1 is being slept on by the community and dice?
kindred orchid
What is that?
soft storm
The Blenheim Mk 1 is the bomber but instead of the bigger bombs you can airdrop teammates, drop supplies and have a downward facing gunner
Like, I’ve got it completely Leveled up but I feel like it got nerfed to obscurity
Might just be me tho, but I’m positive that the paratrooper specialization is broken, I’m pretty sure teammates, not just your squad mates are supposed to be able to spawn on you in it.
Not to mention you have no idea how to aim in order to drop your airdrop supplies in the right position.
jovial forge
all planes got hit badly with a nerf when the only problem was spawn bombing with the JU88.
soft storm
Classic DICE lol
I mean, it isn’t completely terrible, but vehicles themselves are very lackluster compared to past games
BF1 was just OP vehicles, BF3/4 had amazing helicopters and decent tanks
Hardline had none of that fun shit
jovial forge
I enjoy the raised skill ceiling of most vehicles. Just hate how squishy they can be at times.
regal sapphire
They nerfed the Panzerfaust too much
soft storm
I hit a Stuka with a panzerfuast this evening but my shadowplay was down
regal sapphire
I only do 20 damage on a good side turret hit
soft storm
I killed 2 people and got the Stuka
Anyways, no the issue wasn’t just spawn bomb on the JU88
Like the bombing itself was just crazy on the medium bombers
jovial forge
Well considering that Assault and enginner got combined so a nerf to the panzerfaust was needed
dawn mango
it was just too strong
jovial forge
Everyone has a rocket launcher by default which makes Assault very dominating at everything
opaque hinge
No
dawn mango
yes
opaque hinge
Not really
A rocket launcher doesn't mean u dominate at everything...
That's a little absurd
dawn mango
pretty much\
strong parrot
anyone remember the post on reddit last week talking about the post and beam reticle system in bf5 and where to aim using those scopes? lol
dawn mango
and considering that almost half the team pick assualt
jovial forge
I'd be fine with assault being kings of anti infantry but being able to yolo or zerg tanks with rocket launchers is disgusting
soft storm
@strong parrot I think I remember that
strong parrot
I need to find it lol
charred heron
I'd be for an option to veto out a Squad Leader
Like, most Squad Leaders have the situational awareness of a rock
jovial forge
Sadly such a thing could be abused
dawn mango
request order
jovial forge
and a squad that doesn't follow orders is just as bad
icy sluice
I'd like Commander mode
charred heron
Nah
dawn mango
me too
charred heron
Then we'd have way more toilet padders
icy sluice
Just to say "Hey fuckhead, you haven't put down an order for like a century, lemme do that for you"
jovial forge
Commander mode was better for a modern setting
kinda boring when none of the squad leaders listen
regal sapphire
Everyone's just camping with MMGs now
soft storm
Commander mode in BFV would just be a redux of how it was in BF4
Nobody using it except during work and class
regal sapphire
Nope, everyone's camping with the MG42
jovial forge
well you cant ads with the mmgs well so its natural
dawn mango
thanks youtubers
midnight nimbus
maybe because the nerf barely hurt the MMGs as well 🤔🤔🤔
solid hinge
it hurt the slow mmg
jovial forge
they'd still do it regardless
regal sapphire
Because the Shitty ttk makes camping more easy
kindred orchid
I think the best way to handle "commander" is to allow all squad leaders to see where each squad is going, or at least how many squads are going to which objectives.
jovial forge
It was done as a test to observe players (Mostly new ones)
solid hinge
@strong parrot what post?
I'd really appreciate knowing where other squads are going
regal sapphire
It was done to increase Sales from Christmas
solid hinge
It's a free for all at the moment
dawn mango
new players hate it too
charred heron
I also like pilots who know they have a board gunner but fly so poorly that the gunners is always thrown off with his aiming
jovial forge
Its been acknowledged by dice that the majority prefered the old ttk
regal sapphire
Everyone fucking hates it, except campers that don't help their team
wet lotus
game is dead btw. move on
regal sapphire
Yeah, and their acknowledgement of it is further divide the fanbase
jovial forge
game is only deadwhen the servers are gone
dawn mango
just like bf4
wet lotus
i lost hope with the bf series... i miss 2142 bf3....
soft storm
It was done to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment
charred heron
Not really most players
Only the really bad potatos and casual players who only play maybe twice per week
regal sapphire
They just fucking crawl with their shitty MMGs and kill you instantly
dawn mango
stop talking
jovial forge
doesnt bother me if I get dropped by a mmg
strong parrot
@solid hinge someone made a post about where you should be aiming with the post and beam reticle and i wanted to look at that again because im fucking up sniper shots 
dawn mango
its a non issue mmg
regal sapphire
It does when they crawl in front of me, not already prone
jovial forge
I'll simply go another direction
kindred orchid
I'm trying to get better at bolt action sniper rifles, but I'm really bad.
icy sluice
You can also dive to your side and then mount your bipod
dawn mango
so its like it was a NET CODEissue
icy sluice
But uhh, there's a big delay between the dive and the mounting that... you're bound to die
jovial forge
For the ttd, I think its a server side net issue or plauers potatoe pcs/internet
dawn mango
Net Code
shut brook
so.... TTK...
dawn mango
nope
jovial forge
Yeah it takes a second to dive and mount mmgs
shut brook
makes it feel like its stuttering
jovial forge
usually dead by then
regal sapphire
It takes a milisecond to mount an MMG
shut brook
worse I spawned with enemies in front, tried to shoot but it shot upwards
icy sluice
You use MMGs?
shut brook
like, a full 2 seconds
charred heron
Deploying with an MMG face on is nearly impossible
icy sluice
it takes a total of like 2 seconds to dive and mount
charred heron
Only when the enemy isn't shooting you first
jovial forge
you have to let it mont or the aim is off to
dawn mango
and bipod rarely work right
icy sluice
Yeah
charred heron
But otherwise? Hope your hipfire hits something
regal sapphire
Yeah, and I can still beat people
icy sluice
Congrats 👏
regal sapphire
Which is completely broken
deep ether
Wtf isnthis
jovial forge
its bfv?
icy sluice
I can't tell if you're saying "What the fuck isn't this" or "What the fuck is this?"
dawn mango
wtf isnt his?
dense bone
I'm starting to like the new ttk more and more
charred heron
I'm not really fond of both TTK versions
dense bone
I'm averaging 2.5-3 kd a game now
charred heron
But the old one is the lesser evil imo
hollow mulch
I can’t see myself ever enjoying a slower ttk
regal sapphire
I'm starting to like it less and less
dense bone
Granted, I expect that to go down when people adjust
dawn mango
sound like you needed to get gud
kindred orchid
I'm getting like 2-3 kdr, but I get some bad games where I'm barely above 1.
hollow mulch
out flanks enemy team, sees a whole squad with backs turned.
charred heron
Duh
hollow mulch
kills one guy, runs out of ammo, get mowed down
dawn mango
thats not the problem
charred heron
I wish we'd have Fiber here
low shard
This is what happens when you live in rural areas
cable companies create a monopoly of shit
jovial forge
orange everytime you speak fondly of the new ttk, you only used the m1a1. 
dense bone
So yeah, work on aim
hollow mulch
New ttk makes it near impossible to multi kill in a reasonable time frame with pretty much most weapons now
regal sapphire
Like my first game with it, Hey, its not that bad
kindred orchid
I've gotten multikills with MP-34.
dense bone
M1a1 is a skill gun
hollow mulch
The new ttk pretty much invalidates 80% of the weapon choices out there
dawn mango
hahahahaha
dense bone
If you land headshots you can tear
maiden steppe
Shroud says TTK is good and yet he uses tons of explosives for his flanks, and failed them when he used his gun purely
dense bone
If you don't, you'll suck
regal sapphire
I liked BF5 because all guns felt like they belonged in the game
maiden steppe
Shroud's always been crap at forming opinions, and he goes back and forth a lot between them
dawn mango
m1a1 is the easiest gun
hollow mulch
Ima just go back to BF4...
regal sapphire
Now we have god guns, exarcebated camping
dense bone
Of course it is
jovial forge
m1a1 is the sks of BFV
spark quarry
true
dawn mango
basically
hollow mulch
BF4 sks was pretty good
dense bone
Just yesterday I saw at least 5 people say that semis and slrs are shit
hollow mulch
Bf4 sks is shite
dawn mango
not really
hollow mulch
Well, pretty much all the DMRs in bf4 are shite
solid hinge
the sturmtiger is fucking ridiculously good
maiden steppe
BF4, close range weapons can have their range extended extremely far due to fast spread decrease
solid hinge
holy shit
maiden steppe
SKS is fine there
jovial forge
I hated being attacked by Recons using the sks with potatoe aim
hollow mulch
Sks is outperformed by literally 99% of the carbines and assault rifles
dawn mango
1-5 easy gun
jovial forge
1-5 as in the starter gun?
amber notch
No
dense bone
@jovial forge I'm using m1a1 since I'm trying to get it gold and I finished gold suomi
amber notch
the lvl 20 assault gun
hollow mulch
M16a4+cobra sight all the way
amber notch
I dont use semi autos
but decided to change my style a bit
and honestly, im loving it
dawn mango
they get more kills
regal sapphire
Great, lost 2 kills from which I'd get in the last ttk
solid hinge
the semi-autos in this are solid
regal sapphire
They were
solid hinge
0 recoil with a 3x scope
jovial forge
only class that is almost level 20 is Recon at 19 and assault close behind
dense bone
I'm not 20 at any
jovial forge
for me cus i use everything
strong parrot
i havent even touched the 1906 smle or 1-5 semi auto, is that bad?
vivid lotus
Battle field can show people hanging, but not a swastica
hollow mulch
All the guns feel like they all got nerfed hard at any rate
dense bone
@strong parrot I've only used suomu and m1a1
solid hinge
They perform well everywhere
hollow mulch
Maybe we’ll get water guns in the next patch, make it even harder to kill people ey?
dawn mango
smg really felt it
jovial forge
@hollow mulch They did, high rof guns fair better now sides mmgs and shotguns or bolt actions
regal sapphire
Might aswell
low shard
next patch: you start with one bullet
solid hinge
That's what the liberator is for
hollow mulch
Medic smgs have pretty much been thrown under the bus
dense bone
I'll take it, really show all the people who can't aim
dawn mango
again
hollow mulch
And the lmgs got it the worst
dawn mango
again
jovial forge
Why does Dice keep adding in troll weapons like the kolibri and now the liberator?
solid hinge
Apart from the ke7
hollow mulch
Why not?
solid hinge
jovial forge
waste of space
hollow mulch
I don’t mind it lol
solid hinge
prepare to get executed by my liberator
jovial forge
then again im still salty about how BF1 did it
dawn mango
nerf all guns only 4 shall be untouched
jovial forge
Kolibir for scout while everyone else got something useful
dense bone
Increase ttk again
hollow mulch
It’s just, why change the ttk? Everybody was fine with it before, and there’s like a ton of other things they should have gotten to fixing first.
solid hinge
Man I can't use the m1907 at all
dense bone
Because new ttk is better
dawn mango
like the FUCKING NET CODE
hollow mulch
But noooo, instead of fixing the glitches, the shitty soldier visibility, the net code or the plethora of other tissues, they go and change the one thing that everybody was fine with.
strong parrot
i feel like its impossible to find this post on reddit due to all the spam....
solid hinge
oh neat anti-tank grenades
kindred orchid
M1907 you have to tap fire and treat it like a burst fire rifle for medium range.
jovial forge
new ttk does not mesh well with all the chances inplace for ttk 1.0
You'd have to rework everything for neww ttk
strong parrot
oh 1907 is another gun i refuse to touch...damn trash
kindred orchid
And short range you let it blow people away with full auto.
hollow mulch
Ttk invalidates a ton of guns, that’s my issue with it
solid hinge
I feel like I can only get one kill a mag with the m1907
strong parrot
the 1907?
dense bone
They should but guns
amber notch
its always been decent
jovial forge
@hollow mulch Exactly
dense bone
Buff
amber notch
yeah
dawn mango
and an anti cheat would be nice too
strong parrot
by trash i mean fuck it, that ROF is disgusting
hollow mulch
There’s not much in choice now
dense bone
No
jovial forge
1907 is solid, it faired better in TTK 1.0
dense bone
Buff certain guns
solid hinge
i feel like the new ttk came out of nowhere anyways, maybe they're testing it for BR?
amber notch
buff the 1-5
solid hinge
It's brutal when it works but i frequently use an entire mag without killing people
amber notch
strong parrot
and tap fire kill people..but apparently thats broken
hollow mulch
Either run the few guns left that aren’t still half decent or get shafted by literally everybody else
maiden steppe
The new TTK would actually be fine for BR since the fights are on a smaller scale.
solid hinge
they're 64 man servers too tho
dense bone
Keep ttk, buff smg
solid hinge
Is the Piat like.. much better than the panzerfaust
maiden steppe
this TTK is actually not much different from what PUBG has
jovial forge
@solid hinge It did. There was a twitter post from dice saying they werent and turn about and did it anyway
solid hinge
For infantry at least
hollow mulch
I’d just like my faster ttk back plz
Mowing down whole squads in flank maneuvers was my thing
solid hinge
that cuz panzerfaust was heat i think?
dense bone
But it was easy
compact oxide
Core is just way more enjoyable
solid hinge
oh sweet i unlocked bayonet
jovial forge
gratz
dense bone
Just flankung shouldn't get you kills
jovial forge
having sponges shouldnt be a thing
ripe epoch
How long does it take to get in core servers?
hollow mulch
Lol
compact oxide
The new TTK is just a bullet sponge-arama
maiden steppe
of course it should. if you catch people out of position and they're not watching multiple angles then they deserve to get flanked and die
hollow mulch
Flanking should get you kills, that’s the whole point of flanking
maiden steppe
that's just how tactical shooters work
jovial forge
^ exactly
hollow mulch
Punish people who aren’t watching there backs
dawn mango
troll^
solid hinge
it's not the aim
dense bone
Yes it is
hollow mulch
Lack of aim my ass you think flanking constitutes cqb all the time?
dense bone
Go for head
ripe epoch
It's not aim STFU troll
dense bone
I'm multi killing on flanks with 16 bulletz
jovial forge
Won't lie, considering what Ive seen. Im thinkin troll to
dense bone
Tell me how's you can't do it
hollow mulch
Try getting consistent headshots on a controller lol
maiden steppe
idiot still thinks you can consistently headshot with a combination of horizontal recoil and spread
ripe epoch
Guys s lame troll
dawn mango
major troll
solid hinge
their head is a lot smaller from behind
hollow mulch
Console is nearly unplayable now
maiden steppe
yes, I often headshot people if the head is the only thing peeking
dense bone
Yeah controller rough
maiden steppe
I carry a 3x scope for a reason, to see where my hits actually land
narrow moss
why 3x
ripe epoch
Any news they might revert back to old ttk?
jovial forge
And don't count stodeh as a reason
narrow moss
i hope they do
solid hinge
why not 3x?
hollow mulch
With all the backlash they better
narrow moss
and fix the netcode instead
dense bone
Here I am headshotti ng fine
solid hinge
most of the guns with 3x scopes benefit greatly from having one
dense bone
Increasing my kdr
compact oxide
Look mate, I'm headshotting fine too but the ttk sucks
dense bone
Because of ass shots
hollow mulch
With one gun
Idk about you, but I don’t feel like using the m1a1 for the rest of my time on BFV
ripe epoch
Killing someone on the rum mid range is a thing of the past
maiden steppe
it's the same argument that Planetside 2 fanboys bring up, yet I consistently win fights by bodyshotting then headshotting with the recoil (while they try to go for headshots and miss).
shut brook
feels so sticky
compact oxide
It's just boring and slow
shut brook
the new ttk
solid hinge
the suomi and m1a1 are pretty objectively good weapons
hollow mulch
I’d like some variety back plz
solid hinge
considering the m1a1 is literally point and win
ripe epoch
Who plays core?
maiden steppe
It's about consistency, and trying to improve your headshot rate is useless even for people who were involved in esports.
compact oxide
I only play core now
solid hinge
it feels like the g2 from titanfall
jovial forge
I do since it retains the original ttk
dawn mango
the auto pistol
ripe epoch
@compact oxide how long do u wait to get into a sever? I gave up after waiting five minutes
hollow mulch
Fun but insane xD
maiden steppe
BF4's TTK was similar to BFV's old TTK and nobody had issues
solid hinge
er
compact oxide
@ripe epoch I join through server browser
solid hinge
can someone explain why the Krag-Jorgensen seems to be useless
dense bone
@maiden steppe im going mostly for head and its working, just went 65-25
jovial forge
Only ones that did have issue were potatoe players rushing and not checking corners
hollow mulch
^^^troll
lime stirrup
BF4 ttk was more similar to the new values
solid hinge
he's not trolling he's just abrasive
ripe epoch
@compact oxide how? I don't see that
dense bone
its funny people consider trolling when you tell them how you play and do good doing it
dawn mango
@solid hinge thats what trolls are
maiden steppe
65-25 just tells me that, while you're an aggressive player, you're getting bodied a lot by bullet sponges.
dense bone
and im out aiming them..
jovial forge
Yet everytime you defend new ttk, you mention you only use suomi and m1a1
solid hinge
not.. necessarily
dense bone
if they had good aim i would die
solid hinge
He's serious
jovial forge
2 gun wonder
dense bone
@jovial forge i literaly just told you im golding them
hollow mulch
Apparently Dice said they changed the ttk because the core community was dropping off like flies
solid hinge
He's just.. stubborn beyond need maybe
hollow mulch
“They were dying too fast”
solid hinge
the poor dead casuals
dense bone
because im not a casual crying that i cant aim
jovial forge
If you played with more weapons outside of golding them you'd see how bad the new ttk fared on weapons as a whole
lime stirrup
I got my full gold sten and mp-34 with the new ttk, with no issue. Two of the mostly considered "trash teir low fire rate" weapons.
hollow mulch
Okay DICE, you just played yourself
dense bone
@maiden steppe maybe they should get better and not aim at my body?
solid hinge
smgs shouldn't really feel like they're maybe 50/50 gonna win a close range fight with a semi auto
dawn mango
@lime stirrup sten is way upper tier friend
solid hinge
the whole point is that they're supposed to dominate close range
in exchange for not being useful beyond rock throwing distance
lime stirrup
@dawn mango not at all, it has a low fire rate and is considered "bad" with the new ttk
dawn mango
aim i guess
cerulean finch
my play style is get every wearpon lvl up to lvl 4 but this ttk is not giving me the chance with the medic to get there wearpon to lvl 4
dense bone
@low shard i dont even know who you are, so in no way was that directed to you, unless you made it
jovial forge
yet someone consistently trys to reach out with smgs for kills
solid hinge
the drilling is max sexy right now
jovial forge
then get mad for getting outplayed
lime stirrup
@dawn mango that's my point, if you can aim it's not an issue.
hollow mulch
If your somebody who can consistently headshot on PC good for you, but what about us console players huh?
dense bone
will get rid of casuals...
low shard
I imagine most people don't know who most people in here are
hollow mulch
It’s bullet sponge central down here
dense bone
@hollow mulch i do feel for you, that does suck
maiden steppe
lately I'm averaging 4 K/D per match and striving for 2 KPM regardless of the changes. It's just a lot less fun to do because 1v2's are insta-nopes.
dense bone
@low shard a lot are normals here
solid hinge
on console you take pathfinder with the gewehr bayonet
hollow mulch
And this is coming from a veteran player
solid hinge
and you stab people
lime stirrup
if you cannot 1v2 with the new ttk you are bad.
solid hinge
or you take the drilling
dawn mango
@lime stirrup its easy to use cause of the low rpm which makes it easy to aim
dense bone
i got 4 kills flanking with 16 bullets.
solid hinge
er.. if you're in a straight up 1 v 2 situation where they're both looking at you you're dead
dense bone
its doable
maiden steppe
1v3'ing people when they're all staring at you?
jovial forge
i mean if all of them are staring you down, of course you lose
regal sapphire
I really don't know how to feel about this
dense bone
looking in my direction
hollow mulch
16 bullets needed to down 4 guys
dense bone
but i use cover and angles
hollow mulch
Am I the only one seeing an issue here?
maiden steppe
so you're still taking one 1v1 at a time.
dense bone
2 bullets for headshots krisyp
jovial forge
@hollow mulch are they all bodyshots?
dense bone
no they are not
amber notch
What is going on here?
solid hinge
im more pissed it takes 3 20mm autocannon rounds to kill someone
icy sluice
Usually, I can 1v2 medium range with the Tommy
jovial forge
someone mentioned ttk and here we are lol
dense bone
@maiden steppe yes, it wasnt an out in the open 1v3
hollow mulch
I’d just like the the days where I can take something like an m16a4 and down a whole squad in less then five seconds
dense bone
thats just dumb
icy sluice
Huh-hey Discord, I keep forgetting that I need to fucking scroll myself
solid hinge
guns are technically supposed to be able to kill people
jovial forge
Yes plz
icy sluice
Beta lmg was kinda powerful
low shard
prove it, ayla
regal sapphire
I do alot better with the new TTK
dense bone
@regal sapphire you are a good shot in that case
solid hinge
watch my liberators dakota
maiden steppe
So you acknowledge that you have less freedom to take out-in-the-open 1v2's or 1v3's.
jovial forge
I hate how infantry can run away from an almost direct tank shell
regal sapphire
So that clearly means the Skill gap is lowered
solid hinge
shoots you in the leg for 27 damage
lime stirrup
Tanks would be better if Assault didn't have 3 panzerfaust, 2 sticky dynamite, and an anti tank grenade. It's overkill.
amber notch
😩
hollow mulch
Playing the run and gun shock trooper is just not very viable anymore
dense bone
@maiden steppe in what world SHOULD YOU BE EXPECTED TO WIN A 2V1?
maiden steppe
so you're following exactly the stale meta that the new TTK promotes.
solid hinge
the fast tanks are better
maiden steppe
it's no wonder you support it lmao
solid hinge
because you can run away from assaults
solid hinge
@lime stirrup well, you dont have to rush in with your tank tho
hollow mulch
Nobody says you can;t do well in the new ttk
low shard
I haven't had a chance to really experiment with the new ttk
hollow mulch
It’s just not as enjoyable
dense bone
its just illogical to thin you should win a 2v1
low shard
since my internet blows so hard
maiden steppe
In a world where you have superior game-sense and you know you can jump-peek and face two people head-on without cover.
solid hinge
pick fast vehicles with the anti-infantry specs and you can still take out tanks
maiden steppe
This is possible in the old TTK and it's goddamn fun to do
jovial forge
@low shard stay away from the stg, its a hitmarker machine now
lime stirrup
@solid hinge obviously. But it doesn't change the fact they have too much available to them. Should give the sticky dynamite to recon instead
low shard
I was never good with it before anyway tbh
dense bone
hey blue, hs dmg still same, so you should theoretically have a higher chance to win now than before
solid hinge
The sturmgewehr?
regal sapphire
Because I'm not this good
solid hinge
That thing has been shitting all over me
maiden steppe
and this represents the peak of Battlefield's skill ceiling if people like Relaaa are the only guys that can pull it off, before the TTK changes
solid hinge
@lime stirrup hell no, give it to the support instead of the op at mines
regal sapphire
I'm doing 43-10
lime stirrup
@solid hinge AT mines are useless as fuck
jovial forge
Was doing good before and even now but I do not agree with new ttk
maiden steppe
Are you actually gonna take the time to correct your aim to the head when you pull off consistent upper torso shots and let recoil take care of your headshots?
It's no wonder you die so much lmao
midnight nimbus
> MMGs and shotguns are stronger than ever
> "peak of Battlefield's skill ceiling"
lol
solid hinge
AT mines are definitely worse than sticky mite
tardy pasture
Hey anyone got battlefield 4 for ps3 my ps4 disc drive broke and I want to play with someone.
kindred orchid
I die a lot.
dense bone
if headhost are beneficial then yes, im taking time to line that up
solid hinge
@lime stirrup thats cuz u have to use them like dynamite 😄
maiden steppe
I wasn't referring to MMGs and shotguns. I was referring to clips of Relaaa taking on 1v2's head-on with the old TTK @midnight nimbus
kindred orchid
But I also play very aggressive and sometimes recklessly.
jovial forge
sold my bf4 for ps3 once I got it for ps4
solid hinge
Aggressive sniper is the most fun
tardy pasture
Rip
midnight nimbus
@maiden steppe myb
lime stirrup
@solid hinge yeah but the tank can run away from them before you get a chance to shoot them. And if you just place them on a road or whatever, they are pretty easy to spot
solid hinge
Body shot to pistol kill
midnight nimbus
if anything old TTK was still too slow, not really aligning with the BF3 gunplay they had as a design goal
dense bone
never really thought about that
always cared about win and that i didnt go negative
and sitting around 2kdr is good for me
midnight nimbus
BF3 gunplay >>> just for the feels
dense bone
lol
jovial forge
BFV's old ttk was almost like it without supression in effect
dense bone
i like running
midnight nimbus
BFV old TTK still much slower
amber notch
Sit in a corner
low shard
defending is for casuls
amber notch
🤷
solid hinge
or dropping a spawn beacon sideways from a point and spotting everyone on it
dense bone
killing everywhere, m1a1
lime stirrup
I'm too ADHD to defend haha
maiden steppe
BFV's new TTK feels even worse than BF1's old TTK tbh
midnight nimbus
StG/KE7 was designed to feel like M16A3, but people screamed too much
solid hinge
pathfinder is the BEST combat role
maiden steppe
because a lot of guns drop off to 7-bullet kills
dense bone
certain guns to need a buff
amber notch
I dont usually sit on the OBJ, im more a run and gun player
maiden steppe
and it's not just odd guns like Lewis or Huot
amber notch
if you get what i mean
lime stirrup
ditto
solid hinge
everyone in this game is a run and gun player
solid hinge
we take a point and i tell squad to defend and I'm the only person on it
compact oxide
I had an entire squad of MG42's camping in the roof of buildings yesterday. If you managed to get one they'd all look at you
solid hinge
with three tanks and 7 guys approaching in the distance
dense bone
if you have good enough aim, pick up a semi and go to town
regal sapphire
I can kill people that are generally unaware of where I am