thought is not skill
#battlefield-legacy-titles
dense bone
unique thunder
lower ttk will always ensure at least a few accidental kills for noobs. Higher ttk less so
austere path
low ttk requries tactics and skill
dense bone
jesus christ this again
west valve
high ttk works well when there is a lot of 1 vs 1.
old karma
Higher TTK forgives
west valve
bf isnt that
dense bone
knowledge does not equal skill
austere path
@dense bone yes this again, which you started
you douch
dont start shit and complain about it
'starts an argument, complains people don't agree
dense bone
dont take things personal
unique thunder
and as long as the TTD is still bugged to feel extra short, you're better off having a faster ttk to match, IMO
dense bone
im not saying people dont agree
west plinth
@dense bone "Knowledge" or meta skill is also important to playing a game well.
dense bone
im saying people dont know the difference between skill and knowledge
dense bone
skill and knowledge are both needd to be good, never said otherwise, just saying they are not the same
ivory schooner
My hax say otherwise
dense bone
knowing to do something isnt the same as doing it
thats my point
and higher ttk leans more towards the mechanics of aiming
west plinth
You all are getting caught up with how to call things.
old karma
You're correct in that lower TTK allows you to get away with body shots rather than headshots (granted headshots are still king if you can consistently get them). The issue is you're only comparing the two in a 1 v1 situation, which is not how Battlefield works. With low TTK you're not just rewarded for spotting someone first, you're also rewarded for aiming well and playing tactically since it allows you to kill multiple people in quick succession. High TTK is more forgiving. Yes it will reward aim, but it also gives you more wiggle room to break off and reengage if you like
So no, what you're saying is a straight up fallacy
old karma
No, it clearly isnt
west plinth
No, there is no general rule for that...
dense bone
you have more time frame to kill, you need more mechanics to kill
old karma
Otherwise a large portion of the core player base wouldnt be annoyed
dense bone
you cant make assumptions off general population
old karma
There's also the fact that the weapons arent balanced for a higher TTK
old karma
Im not talking about the general population
dense bone
and i hope they fix that
old karma
the original TTK was good
placid quarry
Let's keep it civil, you may have different opinions, but resorting to name-calling and hostility won't be tolerated
old karma
the issue was the TTD
old karma
There was absolutely the need for some weapon balancing, but that had nothing to do with the overall TTK
dense bone
changing ttk doesnt make anything horrible or great, it just slightly leans more towards mechanics over positioning/first see first kill
old karma
In the games current state it's really quite bad because several TYPES of guns are just pointless now
cedar pumice
higher ttk= less tactical period it is more forgiving so you don't need cover as much and attrition is worse I honestly don't care too much but I do prefer the quicker one there are pros on con to both when comparing how tactical the game feels though
dense bone
you still need all things to do good
old karma
Yes but a higher TTK does not inherently make i more skillful
thats straight up nonsense
dense bone
i always see "this gun is pointless" but i do good with them.. soooo
my god yes it does
old karma
No, no it does not
cedar pumice
they marketed the game as more tactical and hardcore and they changed it to be something completely opposite imo
old karma
Explain how?
dense bone
it literally means you have more time to aim, you have to land more shots, that takes more skill
theres more room for error
dense bone
theres no way you increase the time frame of something and dont increase the importance of executing
austere path
more time to aim means its easier
unborn blaze
He's not saying that
dense bone
never said that
austere path
having more time to aim = makes it easier
old karma
A low TTK rewards both, and allows you to take on multiple people if you're good at both
unborn blaze
I think lower TTK is more skill-based
dense bone
low ttk rewards camping and see first kill first
old karma
high TTK does not because it takes longer to kill people
hidden dove
low ttk is just spray and pray
west valve
high tk also makes flanks useless, which is a big no-no in 64p games.
unborn blaze
It requires knowing your surroundings
old karma
Which means they can put more damage into you
austere path
people who play counter-strike have godly aim, and counter strke is much lower TTK
when you have less time to react
its harder
old karma
Which means that second guy has a higher chance of ending you
hidden dove
high ttk means you need to track either land consecutive shots or get a jump on enemy
dense bone
flanks are usefull if you are skilled to land headshots
old karma
with a low ttk you can melt both of them fairly quickly
dense bone
if you suck at aim, no your wont win flanking
unborn blaze
Putting down smoke grenades to cover your revives and advances
dense bone
yes, and numbers should mean something
unborn blaze
It feels like it's more Day of Defeat
old karma
Not to mention it just doesnt really feel good in this style of game
dense bone
with new ttk my kdr is going up, probably because im not a pleb only going for body shots
unborn blaze
Which I like
austere path
@dense bone take counter strike players and put them in COD or high TTK games, and they will own, because they're used to reacting fast
old karma
I love how you assume everyone is going for body shots
hidden dove
i'm doing like 5-6K/d at the moment in my games
west valve
thats not how it works. even if you hit hs, there is simply no way that you can kill all of the enemies before they all turn up on you.
old karma
Literally this is all about you
dense bone
when did i say everyone?
austere path
your theory is wrong Nyphon
old karma
It's just straight up nonsense
austere path
less time to react = more skill required
dense bone
hiccup, you gotta stop with the extreme responses
old karma
Sure thing boss
hidden dove
there is different skill than point and click
dense bone
less time to react puts emphasis on positioining and game knowledge
austere path
@dense bone if i have more time to react, i can jump around and strafe and run away more
limber hedge
"we wanted to see if we could improve this over the holidays so more players can have a great time"
Worked well
old karma
Clearly we disagree, luckily it seems majority of the people who actually play the game agree that the current TTK is shit.
dense bone
yea because id say most people are shit
old karma
So, you know 🤷🏻
west valve
if you want to try a game where hs are mandatory to do well, try destiny 2. tell me how fun pvp is.
hidden dove
go check pro level quake gameplay, that is skill, counter strike style "one shot kill" games are not skill based
dense bone
and want to camp and flank for most of their kills
west valve
why compare quake and cs to battlefield.
old karma
Its why they changed it.
west valve
they are completely different.
dense bone
see, thats your problem, youre making this 100 right or 100% wrong
idk why dice changed it
cedar pumice
they said why they changed it
austere path
@old karma im grandmaster rank in PUBG, i play tarkov, squad, and insurgency, and i can say for sure that low TTK is way more challenging, high ttk is repetitive is boring AF
old karma
and then expect people to not refute it
frosty pine
“Buddy Revive” in Tides of War Week 2 is BUGGED. I totally understand that it’s for “squad-mates” and NOT be a medic. even I had a daily order today to do the same. Guess what? I’m done with the daily order but there is no progress registered to this task. So basically my week 2 is 💀 and will be losing a bucket loads of chapter XP + the Epic headgear. Anyone is having the same issue?
dense bone
in certain scenario yea
west valve
quake and csgo are mostly 1 vs 1, thats why they have mostly "long" ttk. bf isnt that at all.
dense bone
but not everything
like you are making it out to be
hell im arguing with people that dont even know the difference between skill and knowledge in games
just because you know to hs doesnt mean you can
hidden dove
seems like it is time to take a step backwards and say "I must go now"
too intense discussion
dense bone
its funny amarok is reacting with clown like hes not one of the people that doesnt know what skill or knowledge is
for shits and giggles, link stats amarok
i wonder how many of you are even good players commenting on gameplay like you know
austere path
like i said, im grandmaster rank in pubg with 1500 hours, i play insurgency, tarkov, and squad, and i get my ass handed to me by regular counter strke players who headshot me on an instant
your ttk theory is wrong
less time to react = better aim
dense bone
less time to react means better reaction time and good aim
more time shooting means more time to aim
austere path
if you want to camp you can camp lol
dense bone
its literally logic
austere path
@dense bone right so therefore you need better aim
dense bone
more time to kill means more time aiming which means youre aiming skill is emphasized
austere path
you need better aim if you have less time to react
like shroud
who snaps on your head
and headshost you in 0.1 seconds
dense bone
and he has the skill to do that
austere path
right because he plays low TTK games
dense bone
and deserves to win vs camping scrubs who get a drop on him
obsidian fossil
yeah
dense bone
which is what higher ttk does
austere path
you got it backwards nyphon
dense bone
IF two equally skilled players face echother, and one gets the drop, they will win
you shouldnt get a kill JUST because you got the drop on them
obsidian fossil
lower ttk emphasizes quick reactions, quick and precise aim, and game awareness
obsidian fossil
also yeah you should, because you used a surprise attack tactic
austere path
shroud thinks CoD is repetitive and stale because its too high ttk
also low ttk allows 1 person to take on a squad
dense bone
but youll get the kill if youre not an ass shot
soft storm
So like
dense bone
which low ttk lets you win fights you would usually lose if you didnt get the drop
austere path
@dense bone ask any pro gamer and they'll tell you low TTK is more challenging
coral lava
obsidian fossil
you had the literal advantage. you jumped them, they were unaware, you used more things to give yourself an advantage, you should win
dense bone
a low skilled player shouldnt JUST win because they got the drop against highly skilled players because there is no time to react
hidden dove
you are talking about public game servers where skill level disparity is like massive, you could start talking on this subject if there was skill tiers and people played vs equally skilled players
austere path
@dense bone a low skilled player wont be able to snap quickly on a persons head
severe wraith
Hey guys our sales are ass because we had terrible pr and the game is broken, but we wanna get more sales for Christmas and have the new people not learn how to play the game!
dense bone
low ttk is more challenging across the board because scrubs can kill them since they cant react fast enough
austere path
@dense bone look, just take anyone from counter strike (a lower ttk game) and put them against your best high TTK player, and see who wins
dense bone
@austere path exactly, so why should someone who can snap headshots fast lose to someone playing like a bitch because ttk is so low they cant react
depends on the game...
severe wraith
CS isnt like that really
austere path
because the less time you have to react, the better aim you need
severe wraith
Most weapons 1 hit
hidden dove
you are still talking about fucking point'n'click and think that is skill?
severe wraith
So that's not really a good comparison in terms of ttk
austere path
we're talking about time to react
what happens in high TTK? people strafe around and jump around
turns into a dance off
may as well throw some fortnite emotes in there too
severe wraith
Fortniteeeeeeee
obsidian fossil
heck, theres fortifications, br, and now, a high ttk
severe wraith
I thought you were banned sophreee
severe wraith
And nyphon
obsidian fossil
shh
austere path
haha
dense bone
people strafe and jump because its harder to hit that, meaning the more skilled person will win
austere path
meaning you should go play kiddie games if you want to dance off
obsidian fossil
i dont want to be playing just dance in a ww2 game
hidden dove
put a cs/bf/pubg low ttk scrub vs the top pros in quake and they get destroyed 100-0 :D
dense bone
stand still in a high ttk game and see how many times people thank you for being an idiot and standing still
obsidian fossil
each ttk introduces its own playstyle
dense bone
@austere path im 95% ill beat you in any shooter we both have a fair amount of time in
austere path
@hidden dove go watch chocotaco, a pubg player playing quake championships and see that oyure wrong
obsidian fossil
that doesnt mean anything
austere path
lul
obsidian fossil
nyphon loves his stats
dense bone
to prove if your pov is justifiable or not
hidden dove
@austere path and then do it the otherway around and the score might be 70-30
austere path
didnt you just say "Dont take it personal" like 5 minutes ago
severe wraith
@dense bone I'll beat you in minecraft idiot
obsidian fossil
i wint minecraft ttk
hidden dove
just git gud scrubs :D
dense bone
yea, side step around you posting links
personal as in name calling or becoming childish
austere path
@hidden dove just sayin, chocotaco is a pubg pro (2-3000+ hours) and he also plays quake championships
dense bone
we can not agree, but i havent name called or made this childish
obsidian fossil
heck, more ttk = more skill, lets just make it make 5 minutes of sustained fire to kill someone
dense bone
you want to bring up playing kiddie games like im bad or childish, and to that i said im probably better than you
thats not personal
solid hinge
wtf man how does like 2 or 3 spitefire rockets not kill infantry
obsidian fossil
high ttk
dense bone
quote where i name called people who dont agree with me
obsidian fossil
my guy
severe wraith
guys please take the argument into dms
austere path
@dense bone scroll up you called people who dont know difference between "aim and knowledge" idiots
severe wraith
Security here
obsidian fossil
im firing you
solid hinge
infantry is boring in this game but of course its personal
dense bone
oh and when i was talking about people standing still in high ttk games, the other person will thank them for being idiots
dense bone
so you lied there
austere path
its run and gun
dense bone
you keep side stepping so hard
dense bone
... is that not side stepping?
hidden dove
so what the fuck is low ttk then? not run and gun?
obsidian fossil
no cause youll be punished
soft storm
I really Hope dice gets the tides of war assignments fixed so they complete correctly
obsidian fossil
hard
austere path
and team work
hidden dove
positioning in battlefield :D
hidden dove
go play rainbow six if you want low ttk and positioning, that game is the most resident sleeper
austere path
so i lied when i said that you called people who dont know difference between knowledge and aim idiots?
dense bone
side stepping linking
severe wraith
Dont say idiot
dense bone
and yes
solid hinge
strafing runs with fighters r very hard
severe wraith
That's not nice
obsidian fossil
high ttk
severe wraith
I'll detain you
austere path
cuff em @severe wraith
severe wraith
I'll detain you @austere path
dense bone
side stepping
dense bone
this dude swerving hard now
he wants to say i called people idiots, when i didnt, and he started this convo by calling me a douche xD
obsidian fossil
hey i thought you like sidestepping nyphon, with your high ttk prancing and dancing
dense bone
i dont mind it
that doesnt happen in bf
ttk is still pretty low
and mobility not high for that
glad lily
Does anyone know how long was it since bf1 launch until private hardcore servers were allowed?
dense bone
1 bullet to kill difference doesnt make it into a dance showdown
severe wraith
It doesn't really happen he's right
solid hinge
what r u guys even arguing about
obsidian fossil
the ttk
severe wraith
@solid hinge yes
obsidian fossil
change
dense bone
im arguing with people that dont know what skill vs knowledge is and the difference between high vs low ttk
i dont care if ttk stays same or goes back
obsidian fossil
so flickshots/quick reaction is lower skill than strafing around and shooting at someone for seconds
solid hinge
ya like i can aim like a god but just run around like stupid quake player
not saying thats me
obsidian fossil
high ttk forgives you for running out into the open and having bad positioning
its more lenient
dense bone
sophree, the problem is that in bfv lower ttk just emphasizes camping and geting the drop, you dont need to flick
dense bone
lol thats the "excuse" to doing it
obsidian fossil
oh so youre that guy
austere path
people camp with high ttk too
rare ermine
There certsining bad camping and defending.
austere path
nyphon just wants fortnite dance offs
dense bone
yea, and with high ttk if they are a bad shot they wont always get the kill, unlike low ttk
topaz tundra
high ttk is for new players, but as soon as they get better at the game they will hate. Just like 85% of us
obsidian fossil
wtf if theyre a bad shot they wont hit you, and you'll do more damage to them
youll kill them first
solid hinge
like wtf i just bombed a sniper right on his face with a 250kg bomb and it did 75 damage this game is broke
obsidian fossil
high ttk my guy
dense bone
but with low ttk they can still kill you, since it takes less work for them to land less shots tog et the kill
topaz tundra
I can't hit sh*t anyway
obsidian fossil
but ttk is global, so any mistake they make can easily not be made by someone else who's shooting at them
if you can land hits, you can kill
high quest
Sore what’s this core game servers
topaz tundra
the new ttk is like shooting at a bullet sponge
dense bone
as ive said, same skill level, the person who gets drop wins, as it should be, but when a low skill player can kill a high skill player JUST because they got the drop, thats a problem
obsidian fossil
if you run out into the open, you die
high quest
Ea keeps talking about them
austere path
@dense bone tell that to shroud who destroys campers
obsidian fossil
well what if normally, the low skill player doesn't have a chance against the high skill player, so the low skill uses tactics to get him an advantage?
topaz tundra
if you want a bullet sponge go play the division
obsidian fossil
that seens fair
dense bone
i destroy campers too, this is just a general statement
refering to shroud for every scenario is pretty petty too
obsidian fossil
the low skill player should be rewarded for doing more than just shooting
dense bone
one of the best fps players out there is your case for the opposite?
austere path
@dense bone someone who is good will have good AIM and good TACTICS
obsidian fossil
but actually playing and thinking
solid hinge
wait guys i just realised if u dont like the ttk just play the servers that didnt change
hidden dove
or just uninstall and go play some other game Kappa
dense bone
high ttk still requires tactics, high ttk doesnt outright get rid of that
obsidian fossil
with a high ttk, tacrics dont matter, you can run out into the open, flanking is useless
dense bone
lol gtfo
austere path
@dense bone dance offs are not tactics
obsidian fossil
you cant do anything
viscid crater
tbh all this reminds me of bad company 2. It's normal basic multiplayer was a sponge fest. Then hardcore was more like pre TTK. Seems we're getting both at least until January, no point in arguing now. 
hidden dove
maybe start hitting heads, loool
austere path
nyphon thinks dance offs are tactics
dense bone
an aspect of the game doesnt not matter all of a sudden when you make 1 more bullet to kill
solid hinge
Did Trump die?
Whats with these prez tags
dense bone
justice is a mod here
obsidian fossil
no justicejoker is just best mod
dense bone
yall are delusional if you think high ttk ONLY means dance off
solid hinge
At all
dense bone
thats really ridiculous
austere path
high ttk = run n gun, strafing and jumping dance offs between 1 v 1
obsidian fossil
yeah
soft storm
Are y’all still arguing about this
austere path
yep
dense bone
while using guns people said are bad
soft storm
It’s been like 3 hours
obsidian fossil
heck yeah
topaz tundra
go play bf1 if you want a high ttk
soft storm
Don’t you guys have jobs or school
austere path
go play duke nukem
dense bone
im at work
soft storm
Then do work
dense bone
so im not using my time on this
obsidian fossil
man bf1 ttk is so fun and is the best of the series
viscid crater
Who cares about the TTK anymore? By next week all modes will have a "core" variant. No need to complain anymore. It's a win win now.
dense bone
^
viscid crater
People can play what they want
solid hinge
Was this confirmed, joshy?
austere path
its not win win if the core options are hidden
soft storm
Splitting of the playerbase
dense bone
like ive said, i dont care if they do 1 or the other, im just arguing with people who dont know what they are talking about
solid hinge
Thought ir was just conequst?
austere path
yep @soft storm
obsidian fossil
fortnite and minecraft fighting takes more skill than siege and csgo ok
austere path
@viscid crater i want an option to set my default TTK setting, so that i dont have to go into nested menus to find the playlist
viscid crater
From David Sirland
"The gist of that is short term we're adding playlists for all modes (not just cq) for the holidays - use this as an A/B test, and reassess in Jan.
From there your feedback and telemetry be used to see where we'll go next, based on results.
There should be an initial post soon"
dense bone
also, laughing super hard at all the people that said dice doesnt listen
solid hinge
Hopefully core servers are active!
soft storm
They literally just stated they’re doing this to help new players
viscid crater
@austere path It's like two clicks to get what you want.
soft storm
Aka Christmas noobs
austere path
@viscid crater sure but the average player is going to go to the default option, so have fun with longer matchmaking
viscid crater
@soft storm If it helps the game grow further I'm all for it. Although they could have gone about it better.
obsidian fossil
thats my campaign alogan
soft storm
Epic Games, Bethesda, EA/DICE
dense bone
theres always better, but imo dice didnt do anything bad
viscid crater
@obsidian fossil It is gonna be fixed, we'll have two variants
obsidian fossil
thats weird
dense bone
they put out two modes
viscid crater
@dense bone few days silence wasn't the best
soft storm
The majority of dice didn’t do anything bad
austere path
@viscid crater no, because your variant will have 5x the matchmaking time since its not default
viscid crater
Hardcore used to be an option always in previous battlefields.
soft storm
I’m hoping it was a corporate decision
topaz tundra
I don't want hardcore just give back old ttk
viscid crater
@topaz tundra You get it back relax
obsidian fossil
long queues
viscid crater
Not long queues really, it'll be fine
dense bone
can we just wait and see what happens instead of assuming worst?
i mean, seriously
thats all this server has been
topaz tundra
no this is the internet
opaque hinge
No
obsidian fossil
YAGMAN
opaque hinge
We must assume the worst
obsidian fossil
save us
austere path
We dont need to wait and see, they announced
dense bone
"this is horrible now"
2 days later
"this is actually pretty good"
topaz tundra
dice pls
opaque hinge
🔨
obsidian fossil
🔨
obsidian fossil
snap
viscid crater
@dense bone I'll say it again, them saying virtually nothing before surprising us with the TTK swap wasn't the best. They even told us they wouldn't touch it. But I digress, all works out I guess
dense bone
make it purge the bottom 50% based on skill
dense bone
leave the convo to people who are actually good
soft storm
We assume the worst because it’s been displayed that the worst is what we get
austere path
Lolll
opaque hinge
No nyphon
soft storm
I haven’t even mentioned that my friend can’t even play the game because support staff seems to think he doesn’t own it
topaz tundra
back to arma I guss
opaque hinge
It must be equal purge
It will make this perfectly balanced
As all things should be
dense bone
no it wont
obsidian fossil
i havent seen infinity war
dense bone
theres statistically more stupid people than smart
opaque hinge
🔨
obsidian fossil
fortnite and minecraft fighting takes more skill than siege and csgo
opaque hinge
Mr stark I dont feel so good
dense bone
you do random 50 50 and theres even more stupid
obsidian fossil
fortnite and minecraft fighting takes more skill than siege and csgo
opaque hinge
Reee
obsidian fossil
moma
severe wraith
@obsidian fossil please go to general, I'm going to need to tazer you
soft storm
I gotta go update some mods
obsidian fossil
ok
austere path
@dense bone hes trying to save you though
soft storm
And download some mods
Man, you guys remember SWBF2 mods? I wish we could do that in BFV
dense bone
says the guy that doesnt know what the difference of skill or knowledge
austere path
Yes because you decide what is skill, how convinient
dense bone
keep the clown reactions coming, its the best you got
LOL i decide what skill is?!
no
its what it is
my god
austere path
"Skill is what I'm good at" -nyphon
obsidian fossil
fortnite and minecraft are higher skill games than games with positioning and tactics
austere path
So check your corners instead of running into the open field
dense bone
trust me, i dont need gameplay advise
especially from someone who wont even link their stats
austere path
Runs into open field, complains people have drop on him
dense bone
i never complained about it...
pseudo saffron
@obsidian fossil please stop repeating the same thing over and over again. And post in the appropriate channel
dense bone
i have always been stating the difference between high ttk and low ttk in this game
ill stomp in either like i have been
charred heron
I think the lack of a real Suppression mechanic in this game is just dumb
frosty finch
join Squad 6 europe
pseudo saffron
@frosty finch use the lfg channels
severe wraith
@viscid crater don't try me.
pseudo saffron
@severe wraith if you dont have anything relevant to say regarding battlefield move to general
viscid crater
Shaking in ma combat issue battlefield boots
severe wraith
:P
soft storm
Banted
severe wraith
So how about these heated battlefield arguments?
feral prism
hey guys, quick question. is the VGO, the Tides of War reward for chapter one completly unobtainable now?
severe wraith
@feral prism you can still get it
soft storm
Kinda
austere path
question, did the beta have the same ttk as release
feral prism
how can I still get it?
tribal ledge
Well
I spent 2 hours playing today
And I can say that the new TTK doesn't make any sense in this game
The whole attrition system makes less sense when people are basically bullet sponges
Being short on ammo made sense when weapons were deadlier
Now it's just a massive nuisance
viscid crater
they need to add core here https://imgur.com/a/RnRbBEm
soft storm
My friend “bought” BFV, but apparently he never did because his preorder has been pending for 3 months now
tribal ledge
Being short on ammo was a good balance when your weapons could kill a lot faster
soft storm
And he was just playing using EA Access this entire time
austere path
@viscid crater should be a setting in the options, "TTK mode: low or high"
soft storm
And when he contacts support they tell him they have bigger issues and can’t do anything about it.
tribal ledge
I'm gonna write a post in the official forums why the high TTK doesn't make sense
And I recommend yall also do it
But be respectful
misty moat
good idea
tribal ledge
No need to be a toxic asshole like the people in the BF subreddit
soft storm
Official forums hahaha
tribal ledge
Jesus people are fucking vile
soft storm
They’re worse than the Reddit
tribal ledge
They are?
misty moat
woa
viscid crater
They've already made a statement on their plans leading until the end of January. Seems redundant to do anything at this point
tribal ledge
Well. I'll post it there and on the sub reddit
hidden dove
all I can say, just learn to click heads bois
viscid crater
Or soon enough, play whatever variant you want
soft storm
I don’t like clicking heads
tribal ledge
But it feels generic
austere path
yep
soft storm
Why can’t I click crotches like in CoD
austere path
run and guns are boring
tribal ledge
Since the weapons lack power they start feeling generic
tribal ledge
And yes. The game is much more run and gun now
At least that's the impression I got
pliant geyser
the weapon accesories should only work on the real life counterparts this everyone gets a 3x scope is trash
hidden dove
pff you could easily run and gun with the low ttk if you could aim
people cant even hit you when you just run in and burst them down
austere path
low ttk makes the game slower as people are more careful
viscid crater
ttk argument is finished tbh, at least until January
tribal ledge
Well I would anyway send them a respectful request
pliant geyser
i have a feeling it wont change much just netcode improvements
viscid crater
Let's see what the netcode fixes do 😄
pliant geyser
anyone else annoyed the strumtiger fires in direct fire mode with no way of accurate long range fire...
jovial forge
It was a huge gamble with this test dice brought about to observe the live playerbase then allow a small percent dictate what they like/dont like. It's annoying but I hope it has shown what worked and what didnt
pliant geyser
I cant wait for the good ol Karl later
viscid crater
@jovial forge Gonna be "core" variants of every gamemode this week. Should solve the issue.
hidden dove
Btw, can you use console to change fov in game?
solid hinge
The strumtiger is the reinforcement tank right
hidden dove
legit I am sure some people are sniping with just irons with customized fov
jovial forge
@viscid crater True. They should of done the test with the core servers from the start imo
viscid crater
@jovial forge Definitely but at least we're gonna have it now. Let's look forward.
solid hinge
It has like 3 extra slots for your squad so it's a team weapon
pliant geyser
I hope its big brother comes later
solid hinge
In exchange for the heaviest round you have to use your team for machine gun fire
jovial forge
Was playing solo last night. Ended up protecting a sturmtiger with my tiger1 on panzerstorm. Much work was done
jovial forge
Now if only they adjust the rearm time for planes
tribal ledge
Now that it's harder to kill people
Medics feel more useless
I rarely see people dying
solid hinge
Medic guns suck
tribal ledge
Well. The soumi is still deadly at close combat
jovial forge
Hate it when medics camp the church on b.
viscid crater
Suomi is the bane of my life a close -.-
solid hinge
I still get killed regularly at close range even though I have the suomi
tribal ledge
The Thomson isn't bad either
jovial forge
Last night we hand it surrounded and they still didnt die til attrition kicked in
tribal ledge
Is it fully specced out?
solid hinge
3 out of 4
tribal ledge
I still melt people with soumi
solid hinge
Maybe I should have gone for larger mags instead of fire speed
tribal ledge
That gun is hipfire king
solid hinge
Soumi is terrible
I cant control its recoil
I'd trade every smg in a second for a shotgun
the drilling is broken as fuck right now
I'm pretty sure the soumi is entirely intended for hipfire
It finally registered my squad revives
dense bone
@solid hinge suomi main here, yea dont ADS it, its trash
jovial forge
Still waiting on the cc for max rank 50
dense bone
literally, i think hipfire is more accurate at all ranges
jovial forge
My cc bank is bone dry
solid hinge
i got a frantic match where i got like 20 medic revives and it doesn't register any of them
Why are all the assignments broken
tribal ledge
Since people die less often sacrificing all good weapons for SMGs make less sense now
solid hinge
I've done everything on this weeks list at a minimum of five times
zenith cliff
@dense bone u changed ur name I wonder why 🤔
jovial forge
@solid hinge weird how it's totally broken for you.
dense bone
i always change it
solid hinge
This is my punishment for owning battlefront 2
jovial forge
I'd hit up support if time runs out. Had to do that for my beta dogtag
eternal apex
Ok
jovial forge
Battlefront 2 was a sin apparently
eternal apex
Looks like you complainers are getting your old terrible TTK back
jovial forge
@eternal apex good. Most didnt ask for it in the first place
Even Dice admitted that
queen matrix
i think a majority asked for TTD instead right?
jovial forge
It was ttd
queen matrix
mhm
jovial forge
1 frames n such
austere path
do you have to add someone to your friends list to invite them to squad?
solid hinge
i still die in one frame all the time
eternal apex
No
austere path
how do oyu add them without ?
eternal apex
What platform
austere path
pc
solid hinge
Sturmgewher and ke7 are the max one frame kill offenders
pliant geyser
"In exchange for the heaviest round you have to use your team for machine gun fire"
not what I meant.
I was merely stating that the way you aim the big gun is too inacurate for me.
Need some kind of articulating reticle that I can use for range estimation or zeroing like on sniper rifles.
jovial forge
I still think the 1 frame issue is either a server thing or a player's own internet thing like trying to play on wifi or slow net
Difference is huge when you play on both
And also considering the demand games have these days compared to back then can also be one issue to
wind osprey
Where is the best place to find people to squad up with? #LFG is not active
jovial forge
Playing Recon can be suffering when your whole squad hates you for providing flanks and back caps with a well concealed spawn beacon.
open raptor
Focus Fire bugged quest? No progess at all had 20 kills last round and kill assits
kindred orchid
Can you still get the Tides of War stuff by playing Core servers?
jovial forge
No clue. I use the tides of war page to be on the safe side
kindred orchid
Same.
hidden dove
played the recon assignment for tides of war today, every enemy was literally lit up when they parachuted down on twisted steel :D
kindred orchid
It also seems like if you play more than 1 or 2 games, it gets bugged and you have to leave and join a new server.
To get ToW rewards.
Or sometimes you finish one step and the next step won't let you progress, or sometimes it does, it's finicky like that.
azure vault
my TOW assignments arent even progressing
opaque hinge
Welcome to the bfv alpha
kindred orchid
One thing I found that worked is to quit to main menu the normal way after a game.
vague bay
@kindred orchid Yes, you can.
azure vault
that's what ive been trying, no luck.
vague bay
I got lucky and completed all my assignments the first day they activated.
hidden dove
its faster to alt+f4 and relaunch game to que again than quit from the game
solid hinge
My TOW are totally random
I had to revive 40 squad members before it counted one of them
kindred orchid
Yeah, but I'm assuming it's doing something important when it takes so long to load the main menu.
solid hinge
then i woke up this morning and they worked fine
then the recon spotting and medic reviving ones broke
i literally could have finished all of them five times over
stray isle
for the very last tide of war challenge where you have to "as a squad kill 2 enemies with a V1 or KB2 reinforcements", you do not have to be the squad leader to get that count correct?
solid hinge
you don't have to be but people are saying it isn't counting unless you do
azure vault
who knows
stark robin
guys i need help buying the game with the 50% offer for owning bf1 of 4
vague bay
I believe you do have to be squad lead.
solid hinge
you have to get the offer by opening bf1 or bf4
stark robin
i installed bf4 but i do not see anything leading to the specified offer
vague bay
But not sure, since my other squad mates at the time didn't have that assignment unlocked.
solid hinge
oh
stark robin
origin PC btw
solid hinge
i got it through bf1 sorry
this is really bad DICE just split the community in half
more like 75-25
gona be harder to find active full servers on other gamemodes after few months
many people dont even know about core gamemodes
they should just swap core and default TTK
put new TTK in core and old TTK back to default servers
primal egret
Can someone please explain why there are only two genders in this game?
kindred orchid
hidden dove
there was no attack helicopters in ww2
sleek barn
light dust
When you can’t play any game mode except conquest if you want the original TTK.
light dust
Meaning Domination kind of sucks right now.
kindred orchid
I mean, they already let you swap genders in-game, what more do you want?
light dust
And TDM.
solid hinge
i want breakthrought core
tired thunder
I got a update in 12/12 and last night game updated again. Maybe some sight that ttk will be reverted? 🤔
solid hinge
what does playlist comming mean?
light dust
Frontlines and Domination need to be made core.
solid hinge
do they plan on adding all gamemodes with core mode?
light dust
That would be good as a start.
kindred orchid
I think they're investigating whether people want to deal with 1 frame deaths or high ttks until they resolve whatever netcode problems we're facing.
light dust
Because honestly, I don’t want a full Hardcore mode if I want to play with the normal TTK.
solid hinge
look at #game-news
lower TTK its worse, that 1 frame death happens like only 1 time per game
glossy locust
always surprised me how many people liked hardcore
solid hinge
i get the one frame deaths like 30% of my deaths
@glossy locust right?
it's more than annoying
light dust
I don’t get why the Lower TTK isn’t regular Conquest.
kindred orchid
Right now, I don't get 1 frame deaths, but previously almost all my deaths were 1 frame.
glossy locust
I don't get the appeal, it's not even realistic it's just like getting sniped
kindred orchid
Well, I get them very seldom.
light dust
Core Conquest should be the higher TTK, because now, every game mode is pretty bad.
solid hinge
At least it's helping some people
i enjoy it cuz i get more immersed I guess? maybe. i dunno tbh
longer TTK only makes frame deaths even more frustrating
^
light dust
Also, the newest update broke the server browser for me.
Now I can only browse Frontlines.
tardy basin
1 frame death is not a side effect of the TTK
more a networking issue
kindred orchid
It's not, but ttk can affect it.
solid hinge
im getting annoyed at the amount of people who don't die when you spray them with tank machine gun fire
or a 20mm cannon
kindred orchid
If you're hit within the window of packet updates.
light dust
How does the Vickers Turret do more damage then a tank?
solid hinge
if i directly hit a dude with a 20mm cannon and splash around him with two other rounds he should have turned to dust
stray isle
what is a JB2 renforment ?
kindred orchid
But a higher ttk can sort of extend it to the point where you feel like you got hit at least once before the next death packet.
tired thunder
Cant find core matches in my region anyway
crisp forge
@light dust I knor right? that thing one-shots me everytime
solid hinge
why they didnt focus on fixing on that instead of making TTK really bad
kindred orchid
Because it's probably not as easy as changing a few numbers.
solid hinge
the Vickers turret gets extra damage in exchange for not being able to see shit
tardy basin
yes, while TTK can affect it, it's still been happening after the TTK update
and the tick rate of the servers are fast enough to take the fire rates into account
solid hinge
And I dont understand why would a new player enjoy longer TTK, dont they understand that it will be also harder for a new player to get a kill
tardy basin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid hinge
getting a kill is more satisfying than dying harder
light dust
So essentially, the server browser can only be used for Frontlines, no servers show up if I limit it to game modes except Frontlines, all the other filters are off.
Literally, after the December 5th Update, it was fixed, but the most recent update broke it.
solid hinge
they worked like 2 years on BF5 TTK and not they just put all that away
light dust
It worked during the beta, after the full launch it was broken, after the December 5th Update it worked, and now it’s broken yet again.
solid hinge
they even marketed as more tactical game because of lower TTK and now they change it. Isnt this illegal can someone charge DICE over this?
im convinced the frostbite engine is a buggy piece of shit
marketing lies all the time
i bet after half a yaer only core BF player will be left like every other battlefield, why even bother for these new players when they will change game when new games release
kindred orchid
To be fair, it is more tactical with a higher TTK, you can't just take on a squad solo head on and expect to win.
midnight nimbus
idea: percentage of full price you pay for BFV is percent damage you get
if you pay 85% price you get current shit TTK
charred heron
Why would i play any other Conquest variation than core? 🤔
solid hinge
it's not tactical
feral prism
another question
solid hinge
you run out of ammo
feral prism
how do you play conquest core?
midnight nimbus
pay full price and you can play with normal guns 😂
light dust
Yeah, Domination is not fun to play anymore.
analog mist
I'm just about to write the helmet off, my rocket kills haven't counted once.
light dust
You run out of ammo fast if you’re even remotely good.
solid hinge
SMGs are joke
if you get the flank on 4 people and none of them are watching their backs then you deserve a chance to get all of them
light dust
^
analog mist
Or a giant black box appears in my face when I try to call one in
midnight nimbus
pay 150% and you get 50% more damage and you don't have to play with attrition
jovial void
solid hinge
at the moment half the guns wouldn't even have the ammo capacity to be able to do that
midnight nimbus
and pay 200%, and all textures and removed and enemies are neon pink
solid hinge
what's attrition?
kindred orchid
That is true.
light dust
@solid hinge Sticky Dynamite.
solid hinge
The giant black box is a common one for me
kindred orchid
M1907 vs more than 2 people.
midnight nimbus
attrition was supposed to be the worst thing about BFV
light dust
Exactly!
midnight nimbus
until visibility and shit TTK happened
light dust
The M1907 is so fucked on TDM/Dom/Frontlines
solid hinge
so splitting players into 2 groups is new model?
the model 8 is literally a three shot kill
its like 45 a shot
attrition its much much more worse now because you lose ammo faster now because you waste more bullets on a kill
kindred orchid
What range do you play with it?
kindred orchid
Hmm.
solid hinge
thats a shame.
i can't hit anything with it far away unless it's not moving and in that case I'd be using a sniper
kindred orchid
I'll have to play with it more, but I've been using it and having 2 hit kills.
light dust
So essentially, the M1A1 gets yet another boost.
midnight nimbus
Model 8 still does >50 damage at <50m if you hit upper chest
kindred orchid
I haven't been dying to the M1A1 lately.
solid hinge
i literally haven't had a single 2 round kill with it that hasn't included a headshot
honestly might have neen better idea to just leave new ttk and not split plauer base
light dust
The Semi-Auto’s still suck to play against.
solid hinge
how do you spec the m1907?
light dust
Reduce any and all recoil.
light dust
I only play with it on Rotterdam, Arras, and Devastation.
dense bone
waste more bullets to kill.. generally takes 1 more bullet to kill...
solid hinge
the only option i can see for that is the right tree
light dust
So that’s mainly what you need.
solid hinge
sounds good to me
light dust
Yeah, but then that only gives you 19 per magazine.
solid hinge
some guns get some ridiculous specs
kindred orchid
21 per magazine.
solid hinge
It says it's 21
kindred orchid
21 if you don't empty, 20 if you reload.
solid hinge
It also leads into custom stock
light dust
Doesn’t it go down when you more magazines?
kindred orchid
No.
solid hinge
Left tree has hipfire specs
dense bone
mag size if youre a bad shot and trying to kill multiple people constantly
light dust
That is.
solid hinge
the semi autos are far too good at hipfire
light dust
^^^^^
kindred orchid
M1907 used to be good at hipfiring without the hipfire spec.
merry ivy
this update is big oof
kindred orchid
Now it's 50/50 chance you'll win in CQC.
merry ivy
more like TTK 0.01
light dust
Is it me, or does the M1907 sound like the AEK?
solid hinge
i can't even win CQC with the suomi
dense bone
suomi main, yea i win cqc commonly, only lose to drilling commonly
solid hinge
tried using the mp40 instead but it's like it's shooting pellets
kindred orchid
MP34 has been treating me nicely.
merry ivy
Drilling wasn’t nerfed for whatever reason
dense bone
mp40 isnt a cqc gun
merry ivy
even though all the SMGs were nerfed
light dust
Oh, yeah, the drilling didn’t even get nerfed.
merry ivy
DICE did big oof
dense bone
not in the sense of suomi
light dust
Does Dice even listen?
vivid lotus
I’m not playing bf5
solid hinge
its certainly not winning any long range fights either
dense bone
dice listens
light dust
Nothing good came from this update.
dense bone
i like it
light dust
...
vivid lotus
Just deleted bf v and downloaded bf4
merry ivy
they have been pummelled with complaint after complaint and hopefully their playercounts are dropping
merry ivy
I have decided to stop playing to give them the data (:
solid hinge
half the smgs have a lower fire rate than the assault rifles
light dust
I’ve maintained a good 2.95 K/D, last night, it dropped to a 2.93 because of this stupid update.
austere path
maybe they want their playerocunts to drop they have less server fees, they did the math?
dense bone
dropped .02...
merry ivy
and now positioning is less important
dense bone
from an absurd kd
merry ivy
so is flanking
dense bone
wich probably came from camping
light dust
I don’t camp?
austere path
@dense bone my k/d went up since the new ttk
kindred orchid
I dunno', I feel like there's more LMG/MMG campers.
dense bone
link stats soy
dense bone
@austere path better shots kds should go up
austere path
soy?
dense bone
shooting in an fps is repetitive?
merry ivy
if you want their data to reflect how you feel about the update, stop playing. they might not care about complaints but a suddenly increased “churn” will make them care
solid hinge
why are people who play this so unpleasant
austere path
run n gun is repetitive yes
solid hinge
they literally won't care
merry ivy
this update makes my stomach “churn”
dense bone
camping isnt?
solid hinge
they have enough people playing
light dust
It’s not really Call of Duty, it’s pretty fun actually. It’s what I play most of the time and it’s my choice because I have fun with it.
solid hinge
they won't care
austere path
@dense bone you dont have to camp
dense bone
camping is more effective in low ttk
merry ivy
if they gave us Breakthrough Core I wouldn’t be unhappy
austere path
@dense bone only for bad players
merry ivy
I hate Conquest and the new TTK
solid hinge
droping not even a point
dense bone
exactly..
merry ivy
at least with Breakthrough Core I could avoid both
merry ivy
the merry go round cap rush
austere path
@dense bone but good players enjoy lower ttk because its strategic and challenging
solid hinge
meme arrows
light dust
Never said I hated conquest.
light dust
I actually like conquest, I’ve just been enjoying Domination more.
dense bone
its more challengeing because skill ceiling is lower, so those bad campers can actually kill you
like you just said
solid hinge
i wasnt talking to you Codboy
crisp forge
conquest is for the true men; not linear, lots of flanking, lots of objectives, lots of vehicles
austere path
@dense bone its more challenging because i have to be careful and think how im going to attack
dense bone
because you die faster to anyone
solid hinge
if you're walking into a shit camper continuously you probably aren't very good in the first place
austere path
rather than run n gun
light dust
Jesus Christ, nobody asked for your input. If you’re going to insult people for the game modes that they like to play, I’d rather not talk to you.
merry ivy
yeah, Conquest is for true men who want to have to run for minutes just to find something to do
solid hinge
k
merry ivy
until you find the enemy zerg and just die
austere path
@solid hinge exactly
light dust
That should go for everyone.
solid hinge
COD
LOVER
isn't it fun when you play conquest and your entire team other than your sole squad member pushes c on aerodome
austere path
people who complain about campers are usually bad
light dust
Who the hell cares what game mode you like best.
dense bone
lol well im definitely not
merry ivy
they only offer conquest with original TTK
austere path
its not hard to check corners
dense bone
so you can take that assumption and throw it away
light dust
@solid hinge I don’t like Call of Duty, if I did, I would be playing it.
solid hinge
wrong
austere path
@dense bone learn to clear buildings properly
dense bone
like i said before, i dont need gameplay advice
austere path
apparently you do
solid hinge
you also complain about a miniscule KD as if it matters in a game like this
merry ivy
why not simply kill the camper
dense bone
statistically only 5% of the player population is better than me
so its likely you are not better than me
merry ivy
better in what respects?
dense bone
that is true
austere path
@dense bone can i see your stats?
light dust
It doesn’t, it’s just giving a statistic to show the effect it’s had on me. @solid hinge
dense bone
@austere path lets see yours =]
solid hinge
.3
dense bone
ive been asking for a while
austere path
@dense bone you probably are better than me in bfv, because i play pubg mainly.. the last bf game i owned was bad compan y2
dense bone
our discord names arent the same as bf names
austere path
@dense bone so show me your stats
dense bone
solid hinge
please do not respond to pepe posters
severe wraith
BR EW
dense bone
i also play solo
solid hinge
nothing good comes from engaging with a pepe
dense bone
so my stats arent padded by anyone
severe wraith
Yep BFV EW @oblique parcel
austere path
@dense bone ok so your k/d is the same as my pubg k/d.. my bfv k/d is bad because i spent the beginning leveling ranks / tides of war revives but it will go up
solid hinge
stat padd
heavy maple
is EA/Dice just ignoring what needs to be done with this game?
solid hinge
with 33 wins 