battlefield-legacy-titles

[solid hinge]

the TOW

[simple marlin]

Wat

What gun is Thay

[final river]

thanks

[simple marlin]

That

[solid hinge]

the gun that you win at the end of tides of war

[thorn heart]

you CANT

its week 4

[solid hinge]

@final river np

[simple marlin]

You can't get other week guns yet

[solid hinge]

why not?

[dim gazelle]

@solid hinge as i said, if chapter 2 begins

[thorn heart]

because its week 4 and its week 2 rn

[simple marlin]

Cuz dice wants to make this weekly thingy

[thorn heart]

do u not understand

[solid hinge]

oh

[sinful crane]

Is the Three Kills Assignement buggy or why does it regularly unregister parts I already did?

[solid hinge]

sorry

tempted to say something insulting

[thorn heart]

who knows at this point

[simple marlin]

Cuz its dice and you're alpha testing tides @sinful crane

[thorn heart]

it's so bugged

this is the real tides beta test

week 2 doesnt even work I'm logging off till they fix it

[solid hinge]

we're alpha testing tides

it's not out yet?

[simple marlin]

Bruh i was just meme'ing

[thorn heart]

why are you here if you dont even play the game

@solid hinge

[novel mason]

Haven't gotten home yet, what's borked with this week?

[simple marlin]

All

[thorn heart]

week 2 first assignment doesnt even work @novel mason

buddy revives dont track

ttk is fucked

[solid hinge]

i play the ga,e

game*

[thorn heart]

update tomorrow is most likely a revert, stay away till then

[simple marlin]

Try to breathe in a body's orifice

[solid hinge]

i'm new

[simple marlin]

Wait why did i say that

[solid hinge]

i got it last friday and only played 3 hours

[simple marlin]

Good grief

[opaque hinge]

Where does it say theres an update tomorrow

[simple marlin]

Welcome here @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

Thanks

[maiden steppe]

Yeah while TTK is fucked, Insurgency: Sandstorm and PUBG will keep me occupied.

[solid hinge]

ttk is fine

[novel mason]

@opaque hinge Main menu

[maiden steppe]

and whenever someone asks me why the old TTK was good, ima just DM them a good clip I found of a run n' gun squad-wipe that isn't possible anymore.

[azure vault]

28-2 on frontlines arras with my M30. TTK is juuuuust fine.

[solid hinge]

are you talking about new ttk or old? @maiden steppe

[novel mason]

M30 Was never changed lol

[azure vault]

yes

thank you

[simple marlin]

Ppl complaining about ttk is ppl with heads having the same structure than a coconut

[maiden steppe]

Yeah, ex-pros have coconut heads

good one

[solid hinge]

ok boys i got a dumb question, whats the client update for?

[novel mason]

No one knows afaik

[solid hinge]

Poop

[maiden steppe]

nearly all of them disagree, even goddamn Drunkkz3

[simple marlin]

Good.

[solid hinge]

Make bfV ttk great again!

[maiden steppe]

I can easily adapt with these changes. I've done well with this TTK in BF1

[solid hinge]

insert red hat<

[maiden steppe]

but it gets old fast.

[simple marlin]

Pros are known to hate any meta change esp fps ones

To hell they go

[maiden steppe]

being restricted to taking 1v1's one at a time (unless the people you're fighting are complete potatoes) is stupid.

[simple marlin]

That's before ttk change

[maiden steppe]

Uh, no.

[simple marlin]

Now it's not the case

Hf

[mortal hollow]

All I know is last night with the old TTK and the no longer being spotted when killing was some of the best sessions I've had in this game, I really hope the new TTK doesn't change things too much.

[azure vault]

especially since they removed being spotted on the mm when you get a kill

that makes a world of difference

[maiden steppe]

It was commonplace in BF1 before they increased the damage of every weapon. Afterwards people were more capable of squad-wiping in one go.

[azure vault]

esp on CQ maps

[dim gazelle]

Spray should be like cs go

[solid hinge]

do you get a 3d spot when you snipe someone?

[azure vault]

rotterdam is M30 heaven

[simple marlin]

God fuck cs mechanics

[maiden steppe]

Quaiche, I PM'd you a clip of what's not possible anymore with this new TTK

[simple marlin]

Great

[solid hinge]

@maiden steppe can i see to?

too*

thanks

[azure vault]

why is the drilling mastery V assignment easier than the master IV assignment

lmao

kill 4 enemies in a single objective area vs. get 10 kills in a single life/20 in a round

[odd jacinth]

I still play and love bf1....

[mortal hollow]

I can't go back to it after BFV.

[rain cipher]

Done, cancelled, glad I only paid

$15

[odd jacinth]

I would move to bfv cause I played open beta.... it was the best but I am broke

[solid hinge]

is there an automatico in bfV or something similar ?

ttk wise?

[mortal hollow]

The Suomi I guess.

[solid hinge]

that's the medic ?

[mortal hollow]

Yeah

[icy sluice]

Yes

[thorn heart]

going back to bf1 after the terrible bugs

[icy sluice]

Suomi and Tommy are fast firing. Suomi shoots faster I think

[thorn heart]

I cant suffer anymore

[simple marlin]

I'd say Thompson

[mortal hollow]

The Thompson is also a beast, loving it.

[simple marlin]

Automatic clip size is more m1907 tho

[solid hinge]

@thorn heart ive had no bugs

@thorn heart you shall suffer and spend money and you will like it

[simple marlin]

Automatico*

[dim gazelle]

Mg42 with 1200 rof haha

[solid hinge]

its a beast lol

[thorn heart]

@solid hinge yes tides of war being broken going 0-2 so far is not a bug

literally just launched tides and the challenges dont even track

[azure vault]

mine track

[thorn heart]

do they even test it

[azure vault]

just picked up my revive assignment

[thorn heart]

@azure vault buddy revives arent tracking

and then remember the stationary kill

[azure vault]

i literally just got it

[novel mason]

You're not playing as a medic, right

[mortal hollow]

The Tides rank 20, is that for the whole 4 weeks or does that increase? I'm rank 16 and haven't even started week 2 yet?

[azure vault]

no, why would i say my buddy revive assignment completed if i were playing as a medic

[novel mason]

Not you >:(

[azure vault]

D:

[dim gazelle]

Yes it stays @mortal hollow

Im rank 14 too

[mortal hollow]

Yeah, so rank 20 is the maximum over the course of the 4 weeks, you can't go higher?

[solid hinge]

Ok you know the explosive shot spec on the second light plane for axis? Does it actually work on planes

[novel mason]

I assume it's capped, yeah.

[solid hinge]

Like does it increase anti plane damage at all

[cursive aurora]

Is anyone else having trouble updating bf5? it's been stuck at 100% for almost 24 hours now

[novel mason]

Restart origin/your console

[cursive aurora]

i've tried that

[sullen tartan]

wtf did they fix CC

I just got 7k CC

[solid hinge]

is there any real life use of the Ratburner headgear?

[simple marlin]

Flamethrower

[novel mason]

^

[mortal hollow]

In real life it stopped shrapnel and rubble damaging your face.

[novel mason]

Hence the name

[solid hinge]

ah ok thank you

figured you couldnt see shit outta it

[simple marlin]

Better than getting third degree burnd

[solid hinge]

all i can see is a wal mart version of tachanka

[compact oxide]

If you've got a flamethrower who needs to aim?

[simple marlin]

Yes tachanka cosplay

[fathom pebble]

got the new helmet, pretty good 👌

[grave loom]

Did someone say tachanka

[simple marlin]

No

[dim gazelle]

Uchanka

Russki blyat

[grave loom]

idi nahui blyat

[sacred lynx]

So what do people think about the new ttk?

[dim gazelle]

Lol i want to rush b but sometimes rheres just one objective

And we need p90

Shit change

[sacred lynx]

Agreed

[dense bone]

i like new ttk, i whip around and destroy bad shots

[sacred lynx]

It just feels overall slower tho

[dense bone]

seems most people just liked getting the drop and are sad its not guaranteed kills anymore

[sacred lynx]

and bullet drop feels very bad

[rare ermine]

I like it, can't spray and get kills.

[dense bone]

^

higher ttk holds true in regards to being more skill heavy

[solid hinge]

new ttk encourage people to play aggressively

[dense bone]

yea it sucks not easily killing a bunch of people you flank

but meh

[rare ermine]

I can kill groups.

[dense bone]

you can, you just need to go for headshots

[compact oxide]

@solid hinge not when the 6x bolt actions are unchanged

[dense bone]

which is how it should be

[true light]

Seems like I'm dying behind cover more with this update

[sacred lynx]

I always run out of ammo when I kill groups

even going for hs

[dense bone]

i went m1a1 just now on panzer and got most kills and highest score, i was stomping multiple people, just hwent for the head

[compact oxide]

Yeah they still didn't fix the netcode

[neon loom]

Oof Im not gonna complain, but I definitely prefer conquest core

[solid hinge]

https://twitter.com/chrsprk26/status/1072970870014922752?s=12

@compact oxide try zig zag😋

[grave loom]

M1 is still strong AF

[solid hinge]

So hard to stay positive about battlefield 5 rn lol

[dense bone]

for you maybe

im loving it

[grave loom]

Same tbh

[solid hinge]

Fucking dice people being idiots

[dense bone]

id say its the other way around

but i cant say that, might get in trouble

[sacred lynx]

I mean a slower ttk makes it more casual, which is what all BF5 games are pretty much about

[grave loom]

i was nervous about new ttk
but after playin a couple rounds with it now its really not that big of a deal

[dense bone]

new map is aweful as infantry though

[sacred lynx]

I just wish more people played conquest core

[compact oxide]

Eh, I wouldn't say the BF1 ttk was skillful

[solid hinge]

Legit mindless aggression since I can soak up more damage

High ttk is good omegalul

[dense bone]

so youre saying.. you can beat them if you have better aim?

[compact oxide]

I could run anywhere I wanted in bf1 without fear of dying fast practically

[dense bone]

thats weird, its like high ttk is more skillful like ive been saying

[amber notch]

well

ive done the second week

[dense bone]

pow, wheres my trusted tag

[solid hinge]

High ttk is more skillful omegalul

[grave loom]

Yeah wheres mine

[solid hinge]

It’s more brain dead

[compact oxide]

banned >trusted

[grave loom]

True tbh

[icy sluice]

@amber notch What?

[dense bone]

well, saying i just stomped with new ttk i think its true

kd is the same or higher now than before

[amber notch]

ive finished all of this weeks tides of war

🤷

[sacred lynx]

k/d will be the same but the overall gunplay is slower

[icy sluice]

I've improved with this TTK surprisingly enough... as an SMG user.

[dense bone]

brain dead maybe, but mechanics are more important

[solid hinge]

Bulletspongefield 5 once again

[sacred lynx]

I prefer a faster pace

[dense bone]

i feel good going for headshots

[rare ermine]

You cant get winged and die by assualt players now.

[dense bone]

means something

[amber notch]

[dense bone]

go for head lueonzo

[solid hinge]

Now you wanna punish players

[dense bone]

ttk for headshots didnt change

[sacred lynx]

^

[dense bone]

that cant land headshots?

yea

makes sense to me

[solid hinge]

Might as well just make everyone have floating heads

[dense bone]

why would i go for headshots in old ttk?

[solid hinge]

Since body damage doesn’t matter anymore

[dense bone]

body was just as good

do it

[dim gazelle]

@amber notch u needed 1 hour

[dense bone]

ill hardly die

cuz i konw most people are ass shots

and probably the same people crying about these changes

[dim gazelle]

And complaining i finished first chapter fast

[solid hinge]

Regardless I’m still not supporting this

[dense bone]

thats fine

i like it

headshots mean something

[amber notch]

That one was easier than the first one

[dense bone]

cant argue with that

[amber notch]

Much easier

[sacred lynx]

I only don't like the new ttk for the bullet drop, I think 21m for assault rifles is a bit low considering conquest points are much larger

I'd say 40m

[amber notch]

The first one no fucking way you did it in 1 game

[sacred lynx]

before the drop

[dim gazelle]

Yeah last on was better u could kill camper with a bit of luck in a single fast peak

@amber notch 2 operation games

[fathom pebble]

got it aswell ez

[arctic wasp]

This game is fine I'm so close to ditching it

[amber notch]

what

[fathom pebble]

for those who wonder how it looks ingame

[amber notch]

looks bad

tbh

[solid hinge]

lmao

[sacred lynx]

Oh my

[fathom pebble]

looks good on my scuffed support

[amber notch]

honestly thought it would be better

[simple marlin]

huh, the meme helmet looks shit

[amber notch]

big ass helmet

[dim gazelle]

Best skin is rhe england gas mask

[icy sluice]

And on the hades
https://i.redd.it/3e4vd65r5y321.png

[grave loom]

How to get canis horriblis? @amber notch

[solid hinge]

looks like he went to the closest scrapyard and just made that in 5 min lmao

[simple marlin]

at least its great to dont get spotted while prone-camping

[amber notch]

Recon lvl 20

[icy sluice]

@grave loom Be scout

recon

whatever

[simple marlin]

[sacred lynx]

@grave loom Recon mastery

[icy sluice]

Last two games changed the name of Recon

[grave loom]

Kk ty

[dim gazelle]

No hades is assaulr rank 20

[sacred lynx]

level 20 recon special assignment

[icy sluice]

Hades is Support level 20

[grave loom]

Nah silver dagger is assault

[dim gazelle]

Oh

Nvm

[grave loom]

I think thats what its called

[icy sluice]

Yep

[novel mason]

Someone just threw a grenade at me while I was shooting them point blank and I shot it, blowing both of us up

[icy sluice]

I got all mastery uniforms

[fathom pebble]

I'll be 100% real with you chief

[dense bone]

prone supports can still wreck if they are a decent shot though, but at least now i can feel like i can react

[fathom pebble]

the helmet looks like we about to crusade

[sacred lynx]

anyway I hope Dice change the bullet drop range

right now it feels tiny

[icy sluice]

"I can't see shit boss!"
"You don't need to see when you're firing at 950rpm!"
"But..."

[true light]

Can't even matchmake into conquest core SMH

[sacred lynx]

^

[amber notch]

one day

one day you will be mine

[icy sluice]

I am very close as well

[dim gazelle]

Problem: i want recon rank 20 outfits, but i hate playing recon and stuck at rank 16

[sacred lynx]

Spam pistol

[icy sluice]

I like that so far every time I've headbutted someone, they've been a level 20 support

[dense bone]

i wont play recon till they get carbines

[sacred lynx]

and make sure you use the spotting scope

[dim gazelle]

I played muxh with theowing knige lol

[grave loom]

Or just click heads

[sacred lynx]

Or use self loading rifles

[dim gazelle]

And with zh 29, golden it

[sacred lynx]

and click heads

[icy sluice]

or use my axe

[remote helm]

for some reason for no reason i keep getting disconnected and i've only been able to get 5 revives in the past 2 hours

[dim gazelle]

Uff

[amber notch]

well back to dragon age for a week

[dim gazelle]

Cs go is good for training crosshair placement reaction and aim

Play thid

[solid hinge]

Also dragon age 4 was confirmed to have a political agenda in it

[dim gazelle]

S

[karmic summit]

Where has regular frontlines gone?

[solid hinge]

A dev said so from BioWare

[azure vault]

i hope it has a political agenda

[solid hinge]

Oh dear I wonder how this’ll go

[azure vault]

anything that infuriates the limp-wristed, emasculated playerbase

im all for

[proper sundial]

Man I almost got the helmet already within 1 hour of the new tides of war thingy. I had the V1 and only got 1 kill ;-;

[solid hinge]

unbalanced games wtf is this

4 vs 24

why i cannot post images

[indigo kindle]

question : can you still do the last week war of tides stuff?

[solid hinge]

https://imgur.com/a/4Mt2Eo0

[indigo kindle]

or im out of luck

[solid hinge]

someone explain me this 2 vs 24!!!!!!

[karmic summit]

Well leave then

[solid hinge]

i left at end game game because i got some tank kills to rank up

@solid hinge image if your team wrecked them

Can confirm buddy revive is glitched

not possible 2 man to pull that of and on top of that its tank map

ohh

you just get spam killed enemy camp at your spam with 6 tanks and snipers

deletes

[thorn heart]

idk about the v1 kills

it's always I either get no kills or 6

most maps have a roof covering people too

[solid hinge]

What's the best axis plane for dogfighting

The rocket is pretty useless if there's a roof

irritating

Both the light axis planes seem to have cannon rounds

And I don't really want those for trying to hit spitfires

[amber notch]

@solid hinge b109 G

Explosive rounds

[solid hinge]

Do the explosive rounds help against planes?

[amber notch]

Good against aircraft and is op against soldiers

They are basically 50cal rounds

[solid hinge]

I'm taking a 1000kg bomb stuka and a decked out JU as my other planes so I want this one to be fully anti-air

Wouldn't it be better to take the 4 machine guns over explosive rounds for pure dogfighting?

explosive

are

better

If only it like.... told you the stats.....

im mad it seems like 4 machine guns would be better but im gonna take explosive rounds now because they're cool

If I get blown up 50 times in a row i know who to blame

Ok um

What about the JU

[amber notch]

I don’t use planes that often

I only used them to get the dog tag

[desert dune]

Hess is the expert on that

[amber notch]

Ye

[solid hinge]

I wanna have them all loaded out just in case

I like having every option available

need me some hess

[amber notch]

@wary mason

He is not going to respond

He told me I smell

[solid hinge]

2 games to get ratburner... too ez?

well actually 2 games and got this whole week donme

only one active conquest core sever....

[compact oxide]

[proper sundial]

Oml we just had the points to call in the v1 and our squad leader called in the halftrack

I’m going to go hang myself

[solid hinge]

lmfao, i called mine in and got 13 kills

[amber notch]

Honestly

What does everyone think of the TTK

[proper sundial]

I called one in and only got 1 kill. Now I’m wearing out my requesting order button rushing flags trying to get the points

But our squad is retarded and orders the squad to a flag across the map

[sterile ingot]

actual trash

[amber notch]

How do

So

[sterile ingot]

semi auto rifles are literally unusuable

turner takes 5 shots to kill with 10 round mag LOL

[solid hinge]

smgs are useless

[amber notch]

It’s hard to balance stuff like that

[sterile ingot]

still die in 1 frame due to shitty netcode

[solid hinge]

acutally smgs are not useless

[amber notch]

Smgs are not useless

[solid hinge]

youre just bad

[amber notch]

They are more focused for CQ now

And that’s what they are supposed to be

[compact oxide]

No

[sterile ingot]

9 bullet kill on smgs

[solid hinge]

got that all gold sten ❤

[compact oxide]

Guns like the MP34 were great for medium long

[solid hinge]

assault guns win vs smgs every time now

[amber notch]

Not true

[solid hinge]

i beg to differ

[amber notch]

Tommy gun is still amazing

[solid hinge]

i could easily outbeat your assault with my sten

[amber notch]

Same with the sten

[proud bough]

POW is right

thompson is still bb

[amber notch]

Sumoi is pretty good

[proud bough]

stg i heard took a hit

is the m1a1 still good?

[amber notch]

Run the tommy with 900rpm perk and you are fine

[solid hinge]

I cannot kill more than 3 people with smg now in a single magazine

[amber notch]

STG is actually nice

@solid hinge good

[solid hinge]

but assault can

[amber notch]

Because they how more powerful guns

[sterile ingot]

m1 was never good its probably 7 shot kill now

[amber notch]

Have

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge i meen then get good. i have no problems with them. just aim for the head

[sterile ingot]

they nerfed literally every gun except bolt actions

[solid hinge]

why pick medic then when you have weak weapons

[amber notch]

Smgs need a firerate increase

That’s it

[solid hinge]

medic weapons should be best at close range

[amber notch]

A slight increase

And the new TTK changes would be great

[solid hinge]

support and assault right now will win most of times medic smgs

[amber notch]

Smgs are now best suited for close combat

Lol

Not true

I’ve been outgunned by the sumoi and the tommy like it’s nothing to them

[dense bone]

shotguns still wreck up close

smg is close 2nd

but still challenged by other guns

[amber notch]

And honestly, the tommy with 900rpm is great

[compact oxide]

Shotguns didn't get nerfed at all

[dense bone]

i know, they wrecked prior and still wreck now

and im a suomi main

[amber notch]

I’m glad semi autos are bad

That was all I saw

M1a1

Killed by m1a1

[dense bone]

i stomped just now with m1a1

[amber notch]

[dense bone]

just go for the head

[solid hinge]

i hope tomorrow update reverts back the TTK

[dense bone]

done deal

[amber notch]

It won’t

They will probably stick with this new TTK

Seeming as the community is divided

[sterile ingot]

lol nah they will see their player numbers dropping even more

[compact oxide]

It seems most people hate it

[amber notch]

Doubt it

[sterile ingot]

divided 90/10

against

[solid hinge]

whats ttk

[jovial forge]

So how is the new ttk?

[amber notch]

@jovial forge good

Honestly

It’s good

You can actually turn on people now

Thank fuck

[jovial forge]

Wait so turn around while getting shot up?

[lyric osprey]

You could turn on people before the patch too tho...

[solid hinge]

its not good if you ask most of players look the both subreddits, many people here and ingame chats

whats ttk

time to kill

[amber notch]

Time to kill

[lyric osprey]

It's the worst thing to happen to this game

[solid hinge]

lmao

[amber notch]

Nah

[solid hinge]

wait for hardcore

[amber notch]

Everyone is overreacting

[solid hinge]

^

[amber notch]

I almost guarantee if they “Revert” it back, people will bitch

Saying “Wtf I was just getting used to it”

[solid hinge]

seems like another thing to bitch about battlefield on xD

[sterile ingot]

yeah they 10% of people who like it

[jovial forge]

From what I can tell, the issue was mainly time to death. But then I have a sneaking suspicion alot of it were whiners and potatoe pcs

[amber notch]

Time to death is nasty

[sterile ingot]

they said they did it cause player numbers dropped

[lyric osprey]

I'm not a fan of HC tho. I shouldn't be relegated to a certain game mode just because dice fucked up their ttk values

[solid hinge]

they made TTK longer so Trevor Noah can play BF5

[lyric osprey]

^

[amber notch]

Yikes

Don’t know about you, but I’m still going 75-26

[jovial forge]

Oh your right, alot of people where complaining about the quasi hardcore mix

[amber notch]

Can’t even feel the changes half the time

[solid hinge]

poor dice cant catch a break from all these whiners

[amber notch]

The only gun that I’m seriously angry about, is the fg42

It’s garbage now

[jovial forge]

But at the same time trying to keep players who flake off at a moments notice are worth it tbh

[solid hinge]

so i played more of this change and the ttd still feels like ass

[amber notch]

M1097, STG,STurm,tommy and sumoi are easily the Meta now

M1907

[solid hinge]

still dying to one frame deaths and all that

[amber notch]

[dusky saffron]

that's bc ttd is the issue

[amber notch]

^

[dusky saffron]

not ttk

[sterile ingot]

peashooterfield five now

literally using airsoft guns

[amber notch]

Yike

[solid hinge]

bulletspongefield 5

[lyric osprey]

There was an issue with TTD that the community was pointing out to DICE, but instead of working on that issue, they nerfed the TTK, which is what the entire community asked them NOT to do.

Instead of fixing the real issue, they are putting a band-aid on the problem by increasing the TTK so their shitty servers can catch up :/

[solid hinge]

they cannot fix the ttd server problems so they they think they can cover it up with making ttk longer

[amber notch]

I mean it’s working

LOL

[solid hinge]

medic smgs were bad but are beyond worse

you guys make me cringe

jesus...

[amber notch]

Medic smgs are fine

[sterile ingot]

its literally not though cause you still die in 1 frame to superbullets cause shitty netcode

[solid hinge]

everyone fuckin complaining about nothing

6 shots even at close medium range to kill an emeny, that's crazy

[jovial forge]

Stop trying to laser people at range with smgs

[lyric osprey]

No there is still ttd issues. Happens a lot with faster firing guns

[amber notch]

They are in a good spot now, tommy easily is still the king

Exactly, why are people trying to snipe people with smgs

Like tf

They are designed for cq

[dusky saffron]

maybe bc idk

they made tap firing

a thing

gee

[amber notch]

Not 300meters

Then don’t complain when an assault rifle or a sniper rifle taps you

[dusky saffron]

lmao

[jovial forge]

You can technically push upon other classes while using cover more easily as medic though

[amber notch]

How do you think recon players feel when they are gunned by a tommy gun

At Cq

They hate it

They have a revolver, and what good is that against infantry

3 bullets

[solid hinge]

ok i'm actaully shooting nerf bullets

[dusky saffron]

if you get sniped by an smg you're doing it wrong

[solid hinge]

wtf is this

nerf wars lol

[jovial forge]

Just waiting for my ps4 to update so I can see all the fuss first hand

[solid hinge]

its literally nothing

[amber notch]

It’s 1 extra bullet

Everyone was dumping 6 billets in the old TTK

Lol

[solid hinge]

one bullet can mean life or death

[amber notch]

Bullets

[solid hinge]

its people finding something else to complain about a game

[jovial forge]

1 bullet caused this shitstorm?

[solid hinge]

yea

[jovial forge]

Lol

[amber notch]

1 bullet

[lyric osprey]

Nobody in their right mind was using the SMGs to snipe. The community asked dice to make the SMGs a little more viable outside of sneezing distance. So DICE did. It was a nice buff, while still not making them viable at mid/long range like the ARs and SLRs

However, DICE has since reneged on their buff and made all SMGs useless past 15 meters. I mean, 9 BTK at range? Really?

[amber notch]

Literally

[sacred junco]

20-25% increase tho

[solid hinge]

xD

[jovial forge]

Smgs arent ranged weapons though

Why use em that way

[dusky saffron]

if you can calculate the drop then that's fine

[amber notch]

Smgs have a 9 bullet kill at 40+

[opaque cipher]

Dice need to either give them a lot of bullets or a lot of stability

Or both

[amber notch]

[solid hinge]

this is toxic

oof

[opaque cipher]

And a firerate buff is nice too

[amber notch]

^

[sacred junco]

I personally just wanted to put more recoil and spread on semis and some lmgs

[amber notch]

Just buff the firerate

Seriously

[sacred junco]

And maybe add a 4btk range for semi autos

[opaque cipher]

9 btk is like fucking BF1 support before burf lmao

[amber notch]

Then this TTK change will be good

[opaque cipher]

Semis need a bit more range

[jovial forge]

They didnt touch shotguns did they?

[amber notch]

Nah

[opaque cipher]

MGs are fine

Shotguns are ok

[jovial forge]

Excellent

[amber notch]

Drilling still fucked

Tbh

[lyric osprey]

You prolly liked the BF1 launch ttk too huh? @amber notch

[solid hinge]

i did

[opaque cipher]

Yikes

[solid hinge]

its an fps

like everyone has to deal with it

[amber notch]

I did not like the TTK in bf1

[opaque cipher]

Okay so clarification

[amber notch]

[opaque cipher]

In previous BF titles

[sacred junco]

I didnt mind the ttk that much. I just hated Operations in general

[opaque cipher]

Spread is massive

So BTK =/= TTK/D most the time

[lyric osprey]

But they are nearly identical now @amber notch why do you like the new bfv ttk but not bf1?

[jovial forge]

I hated pre bf1, hellregiels and automaticos everywhere

[opaque cipher]

Because one or two bullet will miss

[sacred junco]

BC2 had 6-9 btk

[amber notch]

Because it’s fine

[opaque cipher]

In this game spread is minimal

[amber notch]

People are overreacting to this

[sacred junco]

BC even worse I think

[amber notch]

Too much

[opaque cipher]

So TTK/D needed slight adjustments

But like

[solid hinge]

[amber notch]

The TTF was the issue

[opaque cipher]

SMGs are butchered

So are some of the semi

[amber notch]

Them increasing the TTK is working

[lyric osprey]

No there is still a TTD issue present

[amber notch]

People are assuming they can snipe people with SMGs

No you can’t

[solid hinge]

^

[jovial forge]

Potatoes will still get bodied no matter how many times you nerf things

[amber notch]

But you will win most gunfights at close range now

[lyric osprey]

Increasing ttk has only made the bug slightly less noticable

[karmic summit]

Does the AA tank have the same hull health as a normal valentine? it just ate like 4 shots from my panzer 34 without flinching 0.o

[amber notch]

Run the tommy with the 900rpm or even the sumoi, fuck even run the sten

And you will win

[solid hinge]

no im still dying to the same ttd

i love sten

[opaque cipher]

Did you impact front armor

[solid hinge]

my main

still doesn't feel different while im shooting bullet sponges

[ripe epoch]

I just played a few rounds. I use the Lewis and still killed quickly

[karmic summit]

@opaque cipher Nah all side or arse 0.o

Thats why I was so surprised

[lyric osprey]

Sten loses to pretty much every other gun in the game now. Idk why you think it's good

[opaque cipher]

Buff Suomi stability, make it as good as Tommy

[jovial forge]

Aim for the chest, let the recoil score the headshots for you

[lyric osprey]

I loved it B4 the ttk patch, but now it's bad

[opaque cipher]

Yeah I noticed how tanky it was when I drove it on point too @karmic summit

Took like 5 panzerfaust

[ripe epoch]

Lewis gun still owns

[solid hinge]

ear youre just bad lul

[amber notch]

The sten can still outgun a player at close range, if it’s the time it takes to kill someone, use the sumoi or the tommy gun with 900rpm

Then you have no issue

[opaque cipher]

Use Suomi and Tommy with extended mag*

[amber notch]

Or even do the animation thing with the tommy so you get no recoil kick

[opaque cipher]

Just hose them down

You have a mini Lewis gun

[amber notch]

Nah

[jovial forge]

BFV existence highlights how crutched some players are within battlefield. Its amusing

[amber notch]

Tommy with drum is horrible

Used to love it

[opaque cipher]

True

[amber notch]

But after using the 900

It’s way better

It’s like a mini mg42

[opaque cipher]

RoF buff is just silly

[kindred orchid]

Is the TTK changes as bad as they initially seemed?

[thin apex]

The new TTK/TTD is noticeable...

[opaque cipher]

200 rounds increase kek

[solid hinge]

[opaque cipher]

@kindred orchid no

[jovial forge]

Wait Tommy gun with the drum gun is bad? What blasphemy you speak.

[thin apex]

I didn't realize how much i liked the old model.

[opaque cipher]

They’re actually good for some guns

[lyric osprey]

Sure, I get kills with the Sten easily still. I'm not saying you can't win gunfights. Any competent player can with fights with any of the new guns. I just said it is in a significantly worse spot in the meta now. @solid hinge

[opaque cipher]

Though it’s very noticeable if you’re an assault or medic player

[jovial forge]

It this a battle of meta, that will never be balanced

[opaque cipher]

Meanwhile KE7 and FG42 are still the same gun

DICE PLEASE

[thin apex]

Yeah. I just started using assault a few days ago to get it to level 20, and the time to kill using a SF is quite noticeable.

[amber notch]

Nah

[ripe epoch]

I really don't notice a change

[solid hinge]

"you cant please everyone if you work for dice" - fluky

[amber notch]

The fg42

Got hit

HARD

With this new TTK shit

[solid hinge]

tides of war again bugged nothing its saved

[amber notch]

@solid hinge already finished the second week

[opaque cipher]

Shit rip

[solid hinge]

me too

[kindred orchid]

FG42 and I'd imagine the M1907 as well.

[solid hinge]

2 games in i had all of them finished

[opaque cipher]

KE7 it is

[lyric osprey]

I'm not expecting the meta to ever be balanced. DICE has made sure of that in all bf games

[amber notch]

The m1907 is good

[solid hinge]

mine reset and doesnt update

[opaque cipher]

M1907 is actually surprisingly good still

[fierce gale]

Does the m1A1 still bang

[amber notch]

For some reason

It’s it’s firerate

[opaque cipher]

Because its RoF

M1 is uhhh

If you like 5 btk sure

[fierce gale]

4 was good

[amber notch]

I hate the m1a1

[fierce gale]

I was usually spamming click and shooting 5-6 anyway

[jovial forge]

Shoulda never gave it to assault

[fierce gale]

I love it with a 3x

[amber notch]

Left click spammers

[ripe epoch]

Pow ...what you mean fg got hit hard

[undone harbor]

They shouldve made the ttk changes there own playlist and when they see that nobody fucking likes it, then they remove the playlist and move on. They did the opposite. I didn't even bother playing today because they really fucked up the game

[opaque cipher]

Every assault I see now use M1907

[fierce gale]

Fun to spam

[kindred orchid]

M1907 was my favorite weapon.

[lyric osprey]

1907 is now significantly higher in the meta due to the increased desparity in ttk based on the ROF

[amber notch]

Fg42 isn’t good anymore

Yes it has no recoil

But Jesus it is bad

And the fg42 I have 2k kills for

[undone harbor]

Are the MP40 and g43 still good?

[jovial forge]

I was already using the 1907 and now everyone wants to run to it cus meta? Lame

[amber notch]

Basically

[ripe epoch]

Anyone think dice rolls this change back?

[solid hinge]

no

[undone harbor]

They should

[opaque cipher]

Nah

[sterile ingot]

they will when they see their player numbers drop to negatives

[sacred junco]

Probably likely

Based on the overwhelming feedback

[opaque cipher]

They need extensive rebalancing of most guns now

[solid hinge]

they make it seem like its going through

[kindred orchid]

STG44 must've taken a hard hit.

[undone harbor]

Florian said he wasn't on board with it. It seems not even all the devs like it

[opaque cipher]

On some it’s great

[solid hinge]

regardless

[opaque cipher]

Like MMGs are in a good spot now

[amber notch]

Sth can still win

Tbh

[jovial forge]

Insulting the playerbase was the real kicker for bad numbers

[amber notch]

Stg

[opaque cipher]

Maybe buff its suppression a bit

[lyric osprey]

Based on the overwhelming community feedback they are getting there is a chance they will revert the changes, but we shouldn't count on it

[amber notch]

Just make the drilling 1 tap at any range

This will solve everything

[ripe epoch]

These types of changes should be hidden...don't tell us

[amber notch]

THIS TBH

[kindred orchid]

M30 Drilling, one shot kill at all ranges.

[opaque cipher]

Btw the 10A is in game files rn

I think

[lyric osprey]

That would make it worse @ripe epoch

[compact oxide]

Instagib servers

[amber notch]

Nobody would know

[midnight nimbus]

StG wasn't hurt that bad, same with 1907

[lyric osprey]

[kindred orchid]

Each pellet kills a person. Hell yeah.

[midnight nimbus]

SG 1-5 took a very hard hit

[amber notch]

^

[ripe epoch]

Yep we wouldn't know and I bet most of this is plocibo

[amber notch]

STG isn’t bad currently

It’s in a good spot

[sacred junco]

So AR meta now

[amber notch]

Same with certain smgs

[sterile ingot]

some semi autos are 6 shot kill now LOL

[amber notch]

Good

[sterile ingot]

maybe even 7

[solid hinge]

why do i see so much zergging in arras

[lyric osprey]

Only a select few weapons didn't take a hard hit. Blanket nerfs in video games are almost always a bad idea

[sterile ingot]

thats actually idiotic think of a game where it takes 6 shots to kill even with a full auto rifle

there are none

[sacred junco]

Honestly dont want semi autos 3btk in all ranges but still

BC2

[solid hinge]

32 man all in group run at same objective half of time you cannot even meet with enemy group

[midnight nimbus]

ARs have recoil and spread designed to 5 round burst accurately to 50m. when you require them to hit 6, their ability to kill takes a huge hit

[ripe epoch]

Like I said...I played a few rounds and really didn't notice s change

[sterile ingot]

only the selbst was 3 shots at most ranges

[midnight nimbus]

Selb taking 4 hits to kill after 39m

amazing

[sacred junco]

8 btk with weapons like the f2000

[midnight nimbus]

BC2 was low RoF meta

[solid hinge]

i cant wait for people to start bunching up with the higher ttk

[kindred orchid]

AN-94 meta.

[lyric osprey]

@midnight nimbus excactly. It entirely breaks how many of the guns were designed to perform

[ripe epoch]

When hardcore comes out this all changes

[sacred junco]

magnum and carl gustavs

[midnight nimbus]

SMG performance is hurt really bad

[ripe epoch]

Has feedback already gone out for dice to see??

[sacred junco]

Think they are trying to balance around headshots or something

But now its even more headshot centric

[midnight nimbus]

spread and recoil tuned to 5rb to 30m, now requires 7BTK

[solid hinge]

@ripe epoch isn't dice disagreeing with people here

[midnight nimbus]

basically everything that's not super high RoF or super accurate is super nuked

everything else is just normal nuked

[ripe epoch]

They won't when sales drop to nothing and the population drops

[midnight nimbus]

go for highest RoF or lowest RoF

everything in between gets hurt so badly

[sacred junco]

Wow so bren is usable?

[lyric osprey]

Yeah take a look at the Reddit thread on the patch notes. I scrolled for an hour looking at hundreds of comments and only saw 3 comments supporting the change @ripe epoch

[midnight nimbus]

Bren was already usable

[lyric osprey]

^

[sacred junco]

I liked it

[lyric osprey]

Bren was good

[midnight nimbus]

in normal TTK, cleanly beats KE7 after 50m

hitrate machine

[lyric osprey]

^

[ripe epoch]

@lyric osprey yeah so hopefully I they roll this back

[sacred junco]

But surprised to hear a low rof 7btk wotks

[midnight nimbus]

it doesn't

literally run between peoples bullets

[sacred junco]

But I think lewis spam is gonna be easier for most still

[midnight nimbus]

it's the least shitty of the shitty automatic weapons

[thin apex]

Guess many are just going to have to wait and see if dice listens and does what we ask

[midnight nimbus]

nah, Lewis is in the zone where it gets nuked hard by new TTK

not accurate enough or high RoF enough to survive

[kindred orchid]

Like I've said previously, it's not that the guns had really bad TTK, it's that you don't know you're being shot at till you're dead.

IE Netcode.

[solid hinge]

I think they will " compromise".

[midnight nimbus]

Bren is probably the most accurate automatic weapon in BF history

[solid hinge]

flares need huge buff , they are so small and hard to use both on sniper and planes

[thin apex]

@kindred orchid Or just getting ambushed/snuck up on..

[lyric osprey]

Unfortunately, because of the meta now shifting towards high ROF guns, the bipod LMGs are all going to be way better now.

[sacred junco]

Ironsight is nice too

Bren is comfy to use

[solid hinge]

9/10 times i use flare i miss

[midnight nimbus]

Bren, StG, MP34, gripbar M16A3, Huot are the automatic accuracy GOATs

[solid hinge]

radius its so small

[sacred junco]

I use flares in Rotterdam d cap

[midnight nimbus]

oh yeah, MMGs were barely touched

extremely little difference in performance

bc no spread increase

[lyric osprey]

Yeah with a 1200 rof, 1 extra btk is hardly going to be noticed

[midnight nimbus]

well, it's mostly the no spread increase part

[lyric osprey]

^

[kindred orchid]

As if medium-long range combat wasn't already the king, SMGs get an extra slap in the face with more btk.

[midnight nimbus]

high TTK aggravates high RoF DPS advantage

[solid hinge]

try flares on big maps or on planes its so hard to spot even if manage to spot it will be only 1-2 people because it has really small radius

[sacred junco]

But now medium long range in general is nerfed

[midnight nimbus]

MG42 nukes harder than ever

[sacred junco]

I welcome semi auto nerfs. Just not in this matter

[midnight nimbus]

they just needed actual spread increase

[sacred junco]

Yeah

I dont get it

[midnight nimbus]

to stop spam

[sacred junco]

I just hate getting headshotted so easily in long range by ppl with good accuracy

[midnight nimbus]

well, really low base spread and big heads in BFV

[sacred junco]

If the whole game is like that fine but its just semis and bipodded mgs

[midnight nimbus]

"headshots are skill"

[sacred junco]

I think bfv is a high floor low ceiling game

Ppl who can hit head more cleanly are exponetially better

[midnight nimbus]

tfw BF1 headshots are the most skillful in the entire series

[sacred junco]

I cant hit heads and most ppl didnt try i think

[midnight nimbus]

BFV heads are pretty easily to click

it's kinda like siege almost

[kindred orchid]

It wasn't clear in the notes, but did they also nerf the ZH-29, Model 8, and RSC self-loading rifles?

[midnight nimbus]

xfactor's "shoot the body and let the recoil carry you to the head" nonsense actually works, which is disgusting

[sacred junco]

Hipfiring and headshot makes for a pretty random moments in 10m engagements

[midnight nimbus]

SLRs get 0.85x stomach multis

still 1x to the upper chest

[kindred orchid]

Oh, okay.

[midnight nimbus]

1.7(?)x to the head

[sacred junco]

Just shoot head lol

[midnight nimbus]

no, waste of time with SLRs

just shoot upper chest

[solid hinge]

I wish they fixed the CC after lvl 50 issue but instead they had to nerf a lot of weapons. DICE why u do dis to me?

[sacred junco]

Kinda unreliable still now

[kindred orchid]

When you're playing aggressively or shooting moving targets, you can't shoot the head reliably.

[sacred junco]

This is fun

[kindred orchid]

Or at least I can't.

Cause I'm bad.

[compact oxide]

Pretty much rip ZH

[sacred junco]

Speculating game over huge hammer nerfs

[midnight nimbus]

ZH still god tier if you hit upper chest

[solid hinge]

I want my CC ffs

[midnight nimbus]

which is where you had to shoot for BF1 sweet spot

[kindred orchid]

I can't 2 shot kill someone by shooting them in the foot? 😦

[midnight nimbus]

you get cucked by shoulder or stomach

[sacred junco]

They did actually implement the pen limb to chest system right?

[sullen tartan]

goddamn winning by literally 1 ticket

is there a better feeling

[kindred orchid]

Yes.

[midnight nimbus]

"BFV SLRs are too weak now"
"BF1 sweet spot is ridiculous and OP"
choose one

no, limbs are decided by animation

[kindred orchid]

Losing by 1 ticket feels pretty good too.

Not.

[midnight nimbus]

with new TTK, they changed limb multis

[sacred junco]

"Just give me 10 round mag for all SLRs"

[midnight nimbus]

before it was 1x

now 0.85x

[compact oxide]

1btk vs 2btk

[midnight nimbus]

2BTK in a game where guns are atrocious

[sacred junco]

How about they keep ttk

And nerf head multipliers

[kindred orchid]

I would like to see a 10 round clip for Model 8 or RSC.

[sacred junco]

That would be a shitfesr

[midnight nimbus]

just make the head BF1 sized

[sacred junco]

Snipers are gonna cry

Sniping is easier than bf1 imo

[kindred orchid]

6x scopes are pretty OP, blind enemies so they can't even hit you.

[sacred junco]

At least snipe battling

[midnight nimbus]

sniping is only strong bc attrition

> nerf sniper rifles heavily since BF1
> nerf individuals so it kinda pans out
🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[solid hinge]

actually the semi autos feel like ass now too

actual trash

[sacred junco]

Random question does dmg interrupt heals in bo4?

[solid hinge]

we need dice la

depends on how you choose the engage the enemy. Iron sight sniping got nerfed that's true.

not sweden

[sacred junco]

La designed Panzerstorm

[ripe epoch]

Someone explain why u can still kill quickly with the Lewis at mid range

[midnight nimbus]

iron sight sniping is technically pretty strong

[sacred junco]

Ppl don't seem fond of it

[midnight nimbus]

like huge ADS time benefits

but shit visibility makes you need the scope

[solid hinge]

dice la needs to come back and unfuck this

[upper torrent]

who is happy with new ttk

[solid hinge]

not me

[ripe epoch]

I can kill quickly with the Lewis gun. Why?

[sterile ingot]

2 medics get in a shootout post ttk patch https://gfycat.com/HandyAdoredArcherfish

[sacred junco]

Women in bf
1 more bullet to kill

[winged basin]

I see both sides of the argument. I don’t love it, I don’t hate it. I do like being able to get away from a gunfight if need be.

[novel mason]

I agree with you there. The only thing I don't like is how blatant they were about ignoring our feedback.

[ripe epoch]

One should turn to insurgency for great ttk ttd.

[sterile ingot]

they can't fix their shitty netcode that makes it feel like you die in .1 second so they made the guns kill made slow as a bandaid fix

[winged basin]

All this should be tested in a CTE environment, that’s what makes it so upsetting to people.

[solid hinge]

they do recognize the feedback. they have just been lame in managing people's expectations

[novel mason]

Exactly. My mind is absolutely boggled at the fact a significant change like this wasn't put in a CTE first.

Well I suppose they recognized it, but they said in no uncertain terms that they don't care about it regarding TTK.

[ripe epoch]

And e servers still full?

[winged basin]

I didn’t have a problem finding games in NA

[thin apex]

I still find it funny on the forums about the mil sim people playing BF5 XD

[winged basin]

I’d think they need to balance the TTK on a gun by gun basis. Not change them all at once.

[strong matrix]

thats strange why would they play bf5 insted of the SQUAD WW2 game

[jovial forge]

Wont lie, I preferred old ttk since it benefited flanking potatoes

But I can work with this

[novel mason]

Exactly.

[sacred junco]

Use shotguns

[strong matrix]

are you a support player rogue

[sacred junco]

Same ttk

[jovial forge]

@strong matrix I play everything

[strong matrix]

if u are KE7 user doesnt matter or assault rifle player

[solid hinge]

squad ww2 game?

[strong matrix]

yeah post scriptorium or something

[solid hinge]

lol

[ripe epoch]

Someone please explain why I can still kill quickly with Lewis gun at small to mid range.....

[solid hinge]

post scriptum is a waaaaaaaaaaaaaay different game

[novel mason]

Cause RPM

[solid hinge]

zerging is back on medium maps thx to longer TTK. Its much more harder to kill running people now they always have time to take cover and not die

[strong matrix]

i dont know but prone people and LMG is cancer now

[novel mason]

I feel like everyone is just regurgitating what Westie said lmao.

[strong matrix]

try taking A on Devestation as Germans

[jovial forge]

I liked that zerging was sorta gone before to

[strong matrix]

first point LUL

[solid hinge]

why would you say prone and lmg is cancer

i havent even watched westie video

[strong matrix]

because the patch benefited high RPM weapons

highest RPM is LMG

[solid hinge]

i just saw zerging on arras

[ripe epoch]

Wastie said this was a test update. Not a final oatch

[midnight nimbus]

^

[solid hinge]

wasn't there always zerging in bfv

dice thought patch helped dice

tbh

[winged basin]

It’s not final for sure.

[midnight nimbus]

it's just an experiment

there was always zerging in BF in general

[strong matrix]

i dont know but if this TTK is this high how the fuck they gonna make

[solid hinge]

spend half of game not being able to even find enemy because they walk 32 man all time

[strong matrix]

a battle royale ?

[midnight nimbus]

not enough explosives to break it, guns too weak to break it

[solid hinge]

I remember it being waaaaaaay more prominent in the early days of bfv's release

I had one of those games earlier our team had 3 they had 16 on arres

[sacred junco]

Explosive spam is more of a map design issue

[ripe epoch]

I think the roll this back pretty quick

[solid hinge]

And I was in a fighter

Seemingly everyone in our team got kicked out at the same time

[strong matrix]

another thing that is aids now

more camping and because of spawns it takes 50 years to flank people

and get them out of positions

[midnight nimbus]

explosive spam doesn't have to be a map design issue if we had Ammo 2.0 🤔🤔🤔

[strong matrix]

like rottherdam last points A on the bridge B in the White house

germans spawn BOTTOM LEFT SIDE LUL

[sacred junco]

Well bf1 fort de vaux ops is just bomb spam still

[midnight nimbus]

literally >90% reduction in nade spam in maps that had nade spam issues

like FDV

~1% reduction in maps with no nade issues

[sullen tartan]

TTK feels shittier and TTD problems are still persistent

yay

[midnight nimbus]

reddit just saw 7% average decrease across all maps and labeled it useless

gg

[sacred junco]

Bf1 is still very nade heavy in corridors tho

[strong matrix]

another thing i dont get is

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, bc no Ammo 2.0

it was fantastic when tested

FDV with no spam whatsoever

[strong matrix]

WW1 - trenches camping machine guns > dice makes run and gun game
WW2 - run and gun automatic weapons flanking > dice makes camping game

wtf ?

[midnight nimbus]

but you still had grenades when you needed them to clear a chunk

[sacred junco]

People need to use noob tubes

[serene patrol]

the solution is to remove recon

[compact oxide]

Lol

[strong matrix]

and how u gonna win vs camping prone lmg

[midnight nimbus]

redeploy before they can finish the kill duh

that's what i did in BFV against scouts

[compact oxide]

The solution is to remove all classes except medic

[strong matrix]

u smoke them go in with ur medic problem is

[sterile ingot]

they forgot one important change in the patch

[sacred junco]

Thats the thing tho aint it