Really shit
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
maiden steppe
more zerg rushing, more bias towards high RoF weapons because people don't wanna chunk through bullet sponges at range
which means medic with suomi may turn out to be cancer to deal with
much like the automatico was in BF1
viscid crater
Not great this, not great at all
solid hinge
piat or panzerfaust
viscid crater
Panzer
solid hinge
I was losing close quarters to the ke7 with suomi
maiden steppe
I have two friends that are considered low skill players and they still enjoyed the game
they didn't care about the TTK
midnight nimbus
doesn't affect low skill players as much
maiden steppe
they didn't care that they died fast if they YOLO'd. It inspired them to play more carefully
midnight nimbus
low skill players can't really engage multiple targets well anyways
maiden steppe
idk how DICE believes that this will bring players back. if anything they left due to lack of content
midnight nimbus
same with attrition. doesn't affect low skill players
maiden steppe
now they're gonna kill off the existing dedicated playerbase
mellow willow
@maiden steppe Haven't tried the Suomi yet. Only played a bit with the FG42. I need a full mag and no misses to reliably take out full health enemies 😛
solid hinge
I consider myself average joe, i was okay with the TTK
i honestly can't tell the difference
You just cant RAMBO into the fire
it was just motivating to play more carefully
maiden steppe
to be fair attrition discourages rambo'ing anywhere anyway
crisp forge
some DMRs now require 4 shots minimum I dont think they deserved that nerf
maiden steppe
it's just that even with medics you still couldn't rambo without it being a risky move
oh god RIP self-loading rifles on recon
RIP model 8
you got good players like Stodeh calling them out for being useless now lol
rotund perch
people complaining too much
dense bone
^
rotund perch
man if people complained like this with call of duty
mellow willow
"best" of all, sniper rifles and shotguns are unchanged 😉
so if you died instantly to them before, because you got surprised, you still do so now
rotund perch
I think people just wanna bitch because they hate EA
dense bone
snipers were poo, shotguns are/were insane
rotund perch
and you need to automatically assume every game is to fuck you over
mellow willow
and they didn't touch sidearms
maiden steppe
yeah, i complain because I've already adapted to these changes and they're shit changes
novel mason
Not really true. At least the self loadings were changed.
mellow willow
self-loading rifles aren't sniper rifles, I'm talking about bolt action 😉
tropic nest
Reeeeeeeeeee
mellow willow
and there's now some weird bug where you bleed out almost instantly
maiden steppe
bet you're happy that every LMG is a peashooter at range now 
rotund perch
I think that bug happens if someone throw like molotov on you or something
rotund perch
instant death, also a bug where you legit trying to bleed out and it does the opposite
solid hinge
Yeah battlefield 5 not only has a lack of content but now they’re splitting their player base with a game mechanic which is stupid
solid hinge
taking day off from BFV as protest.
rotund perch
sarcasm.
solid hinge
Ttk is a core game mechanic
maiden steppe
lower TTK is a legit game mechanic to encourage people to play more tactically
solid hinge
Wut do you mean
maiden steppe
and not rambo everywhere
this was easy to do in BF1 because of high TTK and fast health regen
rotund perch
You can't rambo even with the current mechanic in place
most of the time you have snipers all around you
solid hinge
You can when the weapons take more time to kill
rotund perch
and squads directly infront of you
ripe epoch
Has the ttk been changed yet
maiden steppe
it was shawn
solid hinge
And if you’re a good player and you play it right you can now
radiant sparrow
Yeah it was a server side change
solid hinge
In bulletspongefield 5
ripe epoch
How long ago
maiden steppe
yeah, if I'm a good player then I can still play but I'll be less capable of taking on multiple people or pulling off big flanks like I could before
viscid cypress
Pfft, I haven't eaten in three days
rotund perch
A real man
eager field
Who cares? ^^^
ripe epoch
How bad is the change
maiden steppe
low TTK not only helped this, but it also made weapon balance between close range and long range weapons better
rotund perch
most guns are shit
maiden steppe
since it made winning fights more of a matter of reaction time than DPS
rotund perch
truth brother
ripe epoch
How bad is the change
gray glade
yeah they changed the TTK
radiant sparrow
It'll generally take 33% longer to kill enemies
maiden steppe
it did. headshots are unaffected but bodyshots and limbshots will take you one more bullet to kill
gray glade
i didnt feel a difference either but then again, mg42 users aint gonna feel much difference
solid hinge
One bullet can mean if you win or lose a gun fight
radiant sparrow
e.g. instead of 200ms it'll take 277ms
solid hinge
And the mp40, oh boy that gun feels like shit now
maiden steppe
MG42 users are probably gonna be even more powerful now since they have the firerate to chunk through bullet sponges
solid hinge
one bullet can make a difference, but war... war never changes...
little zenith
When the assignment unlocks for Hazardous Conditions?
subtle cloak
sucks that i cant see how far the game has come when i enter match in "Advanced Search"... too many times i get in a game and its 300-48 etc
so FUCKING ANNOYING
rotund perch
Viet Nam
subtle cloak
SIMPLE THINGS THEY CAN FIX
delicate panther
I feel the difference, I Got more kills Cause of people shooting me And me having a fraction more time to react
subtle cloak
FUCK SAKE
rotund perch
people complain too much
novel mason
I think the MP40 feels fine 
subtle cloak
YEAH CUZ THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE WRONG??
rotund perch
Especially because they got a hate boner
subtle cloak
people didnt complain about BF2
solid hinge
@rotund perch people complain about legitimate things
delicate panther
Stop caps
rotund perch
legitimate things
subtle cloak
people didnt complain about BFBC2
subtle cloak
so your "people complain too much" argument isnt valid
solid hinge
there’s nothing wrong with critiquing. it’s when people do it virulently
I do see the argument made about increasing the ttk
People do have valid arguments against changing it like myself
just don’t be a dick when you complain? that’s it. just don’t be a dick
rotund perch
you guys are complaining so much DICE is just trying to make everyone the same my brotha
from anotha motha
midnight nimbus
BFV is anything but those three things
solid hinge
Doesn’t matter
rotund perch
stop trying to get the same thing
solid hinge
Doesn’t take away what that game was
midnight nimbus
it's a point against "long TTK is ok, BC2 did it"
solid hinge
can’t we all just get along
subtle cloak
stop trying to get a good game?? that can easily be done?
rotund perch
it's like call of duty fans
subtle cloak
fucking retard
rotund perch
like we need more zombies
solid hinge
whoa dude
rotund perch
they fucked zombie mode for what it is
subtle cloak
we need less cancer in the games
its not that difficult to listen to the gaming community
midnight nimbus
tbh a Frostbite zombies game would be really cool
solid hinge
like people that start using slurs in a disagreement
novel mason
Do we know if the update in 11 hours is the next ToW segment, or something else?
subtle cloak
just LISTEN to the community
solid hinge
that’s cancerous
rotund perch
well
maiden steppe
DICE did listen to us but thet disagreed with us for stupid reasons
midnight nimbus
listen to the community but for god's sake please ignore their solutions
rotund perch
I'm going for a piss, charging headphones and getting some food
solid hinge
some of y’all don’t know how to be nice in your criticism. you think you have to be as nasty as possible and then you’re like ‘just listen to the community dice’
solid hinge
No
maiden steppe
We've tried to be nice. We even said "please don't change TTK"
solid hinge
Never
y’all forget there are people behind the company. you think they’re inspired to help when you’re being cocks?
subtle cloak
u are fucking stupid yuzu
maiden steppe
now they're paying the price
subtle cloak
youre all so uneducated bunch of shit kids
analog mist
So wasn't week 2 supposed to start today? Or is it delayed.
solid hinge
Even the game changers were vocal about this
maiden steppe
week 2 starts in mere hours
amber notch
@subtle cloak Please do not insult my server members.
solid hinge
And they still didn’t listen
novel mason
I believe the next ToW segment starts on the 13th, like it's said on the website for a good while now.
subtle cloak
@amber notch POW POW POW
zinc valley
Yo lads, anyone on PS4 who can help me with 2 of the timed assignments
the Medic one and Ammo one?
pastel saddle
Snögubbe is there any workaround how to fix the build bug
zinc valley
no one on #lfg-playstation innit
vague dagger
if nobody is in #lfg-playstation than nobody here can help you on playstation....
solid hinge
god the suomi is so baf
severe wraith
so funneee
novel mason
People praise the Suomi a lot but I just can't get used to it
solid hinge
1907 is great
steel fjord
so i just played a few matches with the new TTK. i like it. people did not feel like bullet sponges. was able to punish people who got the drop on me and missed their shots.
ripe epoch
How much of a difference is the killing now
solid hinge
I love the 1907
ripe epoch
Is it bad
steel fjord
almost none. imo
ripe epoch
I use the Lewis gun . So hope it's not much of a change
viscid crater
New ttk is shit tbh imo
maiden steppe
Just went into a game
was in the process of wiping two squads
ran out of ammo before I could wipe the last two guys
ttk changes are shit
only benefits casuals that play for 1 K/D and like to zerg rush without punishment
steel fjord
because being able to kill 8 people with one mag without anything happening to you is something that should be happening
winged basin
^^^^^
amber notch
It feels nice to be able to counter people
steel fjord
and that zerg argumment is BS. It happen way more in the old ttk. zerg and drop people so fast no1 even reacts to it
novel mason
The very first message you typed was "Wow the new TTK is shit" lmao.
amber notch
not die in .3 of a second
Ya, because it was
but ive not played with it
And gotten to better get a feel for it
It isnt that bad
BUT
limber mauve
@amber notch Maybe you had to l2p?
novel mason
I'm saying you're not that innocent when it comes to encouraging the mob lol
sleek tartan
I've tested the game extensively and do feel like its a catastrophe
viscid crater
Overreacting?
sleek tartan
People do feel like sponges for me
sleek tartan
specially past 30m
amber notch
Whats the video
viscid crater
A 10 second clip showing what's wrong with the ttk lol
limber mauve
TTK changed because noobs are too lazy to learn how to play ... -.-
stark lava
anybody hyped about the 9 bullets to kill smgs ?
viscid crater
12 seconds actually lol
amber notch
is it the reddit post
indigo kelp
👌
viscid crater
No my own
steel fjord
yeah because its more skill to go for body shots than headshots
vague dagger
i never felt the old ttk had an issue. it makes sense that if someone had the jump on you, you would be punished. but i havent played the new one so im not going to judge it
viscid crater
Ignore shit aim at the start, look at the bullet absorption
indigo kelp
So guys are people actually putting the game down or are you hate playing it?
I put it down
i cant rank up and was not compensated cc
viscid crater
I gave up after my clip lol
indigo kelp
they owe me 6k cc
amber notch
4 bullets hit him
indigo kelp
and i still cant earn it
viscid crater
4??
dense bone
im playing the poo out of this game
viscid crater
there's easily 7 there lol
vague dagger
6
amber notch
each time the hitmaker expands thats a hit
indigo kelp
well honestly if i cant upgrade more weapons rank up or earn cc why would I even play?
steel fjord
🤣
vague dagger
it was 6 hits
amber notch
from that clip it was 4-5
indigo kelp
dice defender 6k
steel fjord
are you serious? you miss that many shots and still want to kill a guy that is standing still?
indigo kelp
oh wait 6k is the cc they owe me my bad
amber notch
@viscid crater thats the old ttk
viscid crater
@steel fjord it's in slow motion lol
amber notch
im assuming
zinc valley
Just got the med kit crate challenge to do - anyone free on PS4 would be a blessing
vague dagger
i just counted lol its 6
indigo kelp
viscid crater
@amber notch The clip was from 10 mins ago
vague dagger
@zinc valley #lfg-playstation
zinc valley
There ain't anyone there boss
amber notch
10 mins ago?
viscid crater
Yeah
viscid crater
I can show you the source video lol
amber notch
ehhhhhh
amber notch
Each time the hit marker expands
steel fjord
you missed the 1st 6 bullets
amber notch
its a hit
steel fjord
and you expect a kill?
amber notch
I can see your point though
viscid crater
....
vague dagger
as a neutral party i insist its 6 hits
amber notch
viscid crater
He was at an unusual angle and I had to adjust. Anyway, I'll go and do it again. Just to prove it lol
vague dagger
but you did jump in a fight with 75% health
steel fjord
nah man thats irrlevant
viscid crater
I'm just gonna do it again xD
amber notch
that is easily 4-5 bullets, the fact he isnt dead at the 5th bullet at that range makes me infuriated
viscid crater
M1A1 is worse
kind pebble
eat me bum
viscid crater
No
amber notch
@kind pebble Ive asked you before to not make NSFW comments.
solid hinge
Not sure why mmgs are 7 shots to kill at long range
steel fjord
ffs he go the 1st hit marker when the stg had 17 bullets on the clip. out of 24
amber notch
!mute 271805449194569729 5h Making nsfw comments after being previously warned.
ripe epoch
What time did the update go live
junior mistBOT
:ok_hand: TrainyMcTrainFaceTV#0001 is now muted for 5 hours (Making nsfw comments after being previously warned.)
sleek tartan
As a funny side note, Xbox One has today double the amount of players in BF1 that it had yesterday
viscid crater
How many I missed is irrelevent
vague dagger
beta stg coming back?!?!?!
solid hinge
viscid crater
The fact he didn't die in the ones I did is a joke
steel fjord
wat
indigo kelp
im just happy this place turned into an unbearable shit-show
amber notch
solid hinge
All because dice changed some numbers
indigo kelp
atleast the community is aware
solid hinge
Lmao
indigo kelp
well if everyone said and did nothing we would see no change
the change we see is server population decline
winged basin
Changed some numbers that aren’t permanent
indigo kelp
steel fjord
so you have 75 hp and you get the drop on a guy. he is standing still. you fire 10 bullets. miss the 6. hit the last 4. he kills you. but thats wrong how?
vague dagger
honestly i dont know why people care so much about TTK when stuff like breakthrough and frontlines is brokenly unbalanced on sooo many maps
solid hinge
Depends entirely on your gun, his gun, damage and other shit
amber notch
Ok ok, there is no need to further discuss the video, he does not need to be bashed anymore.
winged basin
Although we need a CTE not a live build test.
amber notch
mhhm
solid hinge
Yea
viscid crater
Idc anyway lol
viscid crater
I even said the initial aim was shit
vague dagger
not enough playerbase yet tho
indigo kelp
yes
solid hinge
We NEED A cte
vague dagger
id guess it comes after xmas
sleek tartan
we need a dictatorship in dice. Someone like me preferably. Who will do everything he wants instead of listening... oh wait
amber notch
the reason everyone is mad about the TTK is people were transitioning to the new TTK, and now its been changed, people are mad.
viscid crater
My complaint is how many did. Not hard to comprehend
sleek tartan
Sorry sorry sorry was too easy
winged basin
I like how UBI does it with R6. Gives a 2 week period before a big patch for testing purposes and adjusts before the live build.
sleek tartan
joke wrote itself
I wrote down 11 reasons to dislike the new TTK, am I allowed to post? 😃
indigo kelp
people arent used to it
solid hinge
people are just mad because they like to be mad at this point
indigo kelp
the digits are imbalanced
junior oak
is there any BF1 players on here?
indigo kelp
the gewher 1-5 can outperform most smgs
steel fjord
of course some people want the old ttk back. you can kill people without aiming for shit. of course it feels "good"
junior oak
🙃
indigo kelp
fuck it this games fucked the community is garbage im out fuck you battlefield
solid hinge
define aiming for shit
sleek tartan
- The recoil curves were not made for an augmented time to kill. I dont know if Mr florian fixed this already but I doubt he was able to fix everything.
- The magazine sizes for weapons were made for the previous TTK and in many weapons the change has a huge effect on the potential.
- The changes have been made against the majority of the feedback that was this time quite vocal on the issue from the first time to my surprise.
- The source of the conflict for the people in the TTD has been highlighted here not to be as much the TTD itself but some issues that happen around it and that are hard to tell apart for most of the players, and this fix has bipassed completely trying to solve that.
- Previously these kind of changes were tested before going live forcefully for everyone
- Although I don't agree, as I've many said times we do need to split, people complain because given the current low population numbers because they don't want to segment it further
- The pure objective enjoyment of gunplay for me gets reduced the more time I have to consistently hit an invidivual target to bring it down. Being 1 very good shot like a difficult headshot the thing i would enjoy more, but that would probably make for not a great Battlefield experience. Now, what we have instead, is one that makes you need to hit up to 9 times your enemy, while having a big challenge to having very accurate aiming.
- There is a well studied phenomenae that relates to changes and that can be summed up as: people don't like big changes.
https://hbr.org/2012/09/ten-reasons-people-resist-chang - The previous state of the gunplay was widely praised as very good, and objectively if any needed some small balance fixes.
- The game still suffers of very accute bugs and issues that hog it and that do not get addressed, meanwhile this issue seems to have a top priority above any kind of fix for those issues mentioned before.
- I feel like they are trying to blame on very simple facts what to me is a very difficult reality, why players are not liking Battlefield V
vague dagger
whaaat the fuuuuuuuck
solid hinge
like do you mean shooting extremities or
winged basin
I’ve put 100 hrs in with the previous TTK, I’m not going to judge until I can get at least 20 with the new.
TLDR
solid hinge
we have to come together as a community and be absolutely pissed about everything! —most battlefield players
because the changes are trash?
does being a dick about your frustration help?
nö
sleek tartan
we must laugh at everyone who disagrees with dice because they are just uneducated nazis - the actual majority of Battlefield players
dense bone
@solid hinge lol i love it
winged basin
Sad part is so called Game Changers” act that way.
solid hinge
have any of you ever worked in customer service? if you have, you know these devs are reading y’all’s churlish comments with your panties in several wads and saying ‘wow, I really am not feeling motivated to help shitty people’
and that’s just the tea
dense bone
but random complaining in discords gotta do something
winged basin
I’ve done customer service for 22 years
solid hinge
if you know, you know
winged basin
The 1 biggest thing I’ve learned, people suck lol
modern shell
multi blilion developpers arent doing customer service
solid hinge
the mo’ you kno’
@winged basinim sorry
it’s like the biggest kind of customer service
sleek tartan
@solid hinge dude listen, there's always some inviduals with little regard for other's people feelings or just truly uneducated and missbehaved. That doesn't make everything they have claimed invalid and by extension what some others that didn't act as such also support
winged basin
@solid hinge it’s ok. I get paid well.
solid hinge
no one is invalidating anyone
@winged basini didnt
i’m just saying don’t be a cock
that’s it
that’s all
sleek tartan
And I hope devs are old enough to understand this kind of concept called maturity and that changes from human to human.
solid hinge
be constructive, not venomous
modern shell
customers can and will be cocks, its part of the game
solid hinge
don’t be a statistic
sleek tartan
You are being actually venomous to pretty much everyone who didn't agree with the TTK yet was still acting properly.
dense bone
how is horm a dice friend when hes back handing them...
unique thunder
I'm quitting this new ttk is literally the worst thing in the world. It actually gives me a headache. North Korea is better than this.
sleek tartan
@dense bone I feel like braddock was forced to give me the dice friend tag, was the last guy in the last nomination before bf1 died
rofl
solid hinge
🇰🇵
winged basin
People respond more to constructive criticism than abusive criticism.
sleek tartan
plus, i never shut about things just because it isnt what is expected about me
and I think they knew before hand
I would die for my ideals
modern shell
this is why Karens get what they want from the managers
solid hinge
me: don’t be a dick
you: wow toxic
sleek tartan
and I defend them every single day.
@solid hinge "we have to come together as a community and be absolutely pissed about everything! —most battlefield players"
novel mason
-Also Star Wars fans
solid hinge
and?
sleek tartan
I'm gonna leave you aside now if you don't care my friend, I think I was clear on my words.
modern shell
you cant argue with swedes
solid hinge
it wasn’t my intent to hurt your feelings, friend
novel mason
Do we know if the update tomorrow is the next ToW segment, or something unrelated? The EA website says the segment is coming on the 13th but I think it's strange they would end this week's segment early.
jagged nexus
so how am I supposed to do the medic crate mission when it just falls trough the ground every time I place it?
sleek tartan
@solid hinge you can't do that really, you are just not understanding a messege that I sent very clearly. So you either can't or don't want. 😃
novel mason
Well, "early" as in not just before the next one
solid hinge
I just have trouble understanding how badly dice has handled this title since the 1st trailer. How?
oh, the old ‘you don’t understand my clear point’ trope
even when I did, clearly
that’s okay
modern shell
novel mason
Ooo, the flare gun is getting "adjusted" soon
solid hinge
good, it’s OP reeeeee
gray glade
i dont think dice handled it bad ALL the way
the reveal trailer was a bad choice, but possibly EA's choice
they released mostly good trailers since then
novel mason
Definitely EA's choice :P
gray glade
the ttk is prolly a bad change but i have nagging feeling they are changing it because they have trouble fixing the TTD
steel fjord
for the 1st time since launch i had fun playing the game. my friends had fun. i actually want to play way more now. got even more excited about my new mouse coming in. and i see the state of the comments on twitter, reddit, here.
gray glade
and this is a temporary fix to help ppl stop dying in 1 sec
solid hinge
I don’t have the time to die in 2 seconds. it really eats into my productivity
kill me quickly or don’t even bother, I have shit to do
steel fjord
and i feel like shit. people are hella mad and apparently not having fun at all. my source of fun is so many peoples source of hate
charred matrix
I havent played since patch, is the game better?
novel mason
I haven't noticed a huge change, but you'll get mostly negative responses here
sleek tartan
In the end what I'm most happy about is that they are thinking (DICE) about bringing "Hardcore" back. Conquest core is the first step towards that. I'm okay with people disagreeing with me, I think we have room to all be a part of Battlefield. I think that ideally if the community is very different but only on small details, and for the rest, love the franchise, should be able to have their own place with stuff such as "Conquest Core". My reasons to be sad about TTK honestly are 11 and I wrote them down before so no need to repeat 😄
cedar pumice
Up close its like one more bullet to kill
From ranged though its bad
smgs are even worse now
modern shell
tbh if they wanna keep this bf1 like ttk, they better tweak attrition
west plinth
@steel fjord I've just chosen to ignore all that. Me and my clan enjoy the game, that's what matters. I really don't have to care about the general opinion about the game to gain my own enjoyment 🤷
sleek tartan
no even at 0m its 1 more bullet, past 15 is usually 2
novel mason
What in particular do you find worse about SMGs?
sleek tartan
unless you give headshots, case in which damage is unaffected
gray glade
so the mg42 is what 6 bullets to kill now?
modern shell
just do more headshots
sleek tartan
oh, 12 reasons now. Attrition feels worse now.
west plinth
Headshots are just more rewarding now, right? 🤷
novel mason
I just honestly don't see the gigantic issue people have with SMGs. Even without going all headshots, they can compete at close(r) ranges
sleek tartan
Thanks HBsumo
modern shell
👌
cedar pumice
I don't use them much
dense bone
because smg are dick to use at med range
cedar pumice
I've mostly been playing everything BUT medic
solid hinge
they shouldn't be competing
gray glade
@novel mason generally yeah, but they arent as forgiving as the STG1-5, ke7 etc
novel mason
I do agree that the lower RPM SMGs have a harder time against LMGs in CQC
gray glade
i havent tried the thompson yet tho
steel fjord
so if all engagement ranges got nerfed, doesnt that make smgs the same?
novel mason
I think so, yeah. Origin also has a pretty good refund policy if you don't enjoy it @solid hinge
modern shell
if you ever end up ranging with an smg you're doing it wrong anyway
dense bone
err no
solid hinge
i don't see it on sale from origin tho
dense bone
sometimes you have to hbsumo
cedar pumice
I just wish they would give the medics some dmrs and mix up the weapon loadouts like they did in bf4
sleek tartan
@steel fjord well the smgs got the same nerf and were already bad, but the differnence in times to kill grows with rate of fire difference
usually lmgs have high rates of fires
and most smgs in bfv have low ones
novel mason
Ah. I would still say yes, I've gotten more than my moneys worth if you're going off of the hour/minute scale
merry ivy
ohhhhhhh fffffffffffffffffffff why would they change the TTK
novel mason
I wonder how the VGO is in CQC
vague dagger
not bad
cedar pumice
if you can aim it not bad
sleek tartan
Basically, if you increase the number of bullets you need to kill, but not all weapons shoot at the same time, the ones with lower rate of fire get affected more.
steel fjord
but smgs were good on close range. so 1 more bullet with high rpm seems ok. if the medium to long range damage affected all weapons, doesnt mean smgs are better now?
merry ivy
honestly its your fault for being in a situation where the enemy can land every shot on you
use cover
why did TTK have to be increased
vague dagger
^
mellow willow
tried another round with medic
vague dagger
play safer
subtle cloak
holy fuck what a fucking crazy round of champions league
solid hinge
just git gud scrubs
winged basin
Problem is not all the SMG’s are high rate of fire.
mellow willow
I feel more useful if I just screw the gun and throw med kits and revives while staying in cover
cedar pumice
I think they did it because they can't fix their netcode
merry ivy
its not fucking battlefield: napoleon, we aren’t standing around an open field still and shooting at each other
cover exists
sleek tartan
@steel fjord Well I can't really support the statement that SMGs were good, but if you felt they were good, you'll just feel them slightly weaker now.
mellow willow
and if I kill an enemy, it feels like it was pure luck that they were hit by someone else, not skill
novel mason
What ranges are you engaging at?
mellow willow
less than 20m 😛
novel mason
Then you're doing something very wrong.
cedar pumice
yeah as a medic I feel more useful if I just become a heal and smoke bot
novel mason
Honestly I imagine that is the case in most situations
sleek tartan
I try to avoid less than 5-10m distance (I believe I have good aim, and the closer the easiest to aim) but try to avoid more than 75m or so, as I play Assault mainly and welp, most of their weapons don't do well on that.
merry ivy
the low TTK that existed previously was not frustrating at all, its the contrary. I have a 4.6 KD from before the update, its hardly shoot first win first since people can be behind cover, at longer ranges or moving
novel mason
But if you're less than 20m and can't do anything, then it's user error
mellow willow
yes, I'm certainly doing something wrong, because people constantly survive with 5-20 hp
maybe I should aim for people rather than their feet 😄
novel mason
Oh it's also definitely worth asking what SMG you're using haha
mellow willow
90% Sten, maybe 10% Suomi, because people said it's more useful now due to its higher ROF
cedar pumice
suomi is really good in close range matches
steel fjord
yeah use cover. except when you need to move due to a nade or enemies pushing you or go capture another objective.
mellow willow
tried MP28 and feels even more like a peashooter
steel fjord
or just permanently user cover. aka camp
novel mason
Ah. I've been rocking the Sten almost all the time 'cause I'm trying to get gold on it, but the Suomi is definitely lacking range
solid hinge
I like the mp40
novel mason
MP40 was the first/only gun I have gold on 😄
cedar pumice
I feel like the strum is just the best assault gun
novel mason
I also have like double kills on it than anything else
solid hinge
God i need to get mint for STg
sleek tartan
The Sten is one of the weapons that got affected most heavily in the TTK change
mellow willow
got all except the last 3 or 4 guns
novel mason
Mmm I think it's farther up but I could be wrong
novel mason
Sten wasn't singled out in the change at all, just the MP34
solid hinge
the suomi needs upgrades before it's decent
sleek tartan
@novel mason what do you mean by singled out?
merry ivy
slower TTK is gonna create another BF1 scenario where people with high ROF SMGs rush forwards and blindly hipfire because they’re fucking Iron Man and soak up bullets while closing the distance
burnt maple
Do these guys play their own games?
mellow willow
my Support is level 20, I don't want to play more MMG for now 😛
lunar fiber
when is week 2 of overture going live? in 2h?
sleek tartan
All the SMGs are affected by the change
mellow willow
yes, something like that
sleek tartan
Sten is no exception
novel mason
As in changed more than the others. I thought that's what you were saying. I don't think it suffers more than the others, but I also haven't played with them all a bunch yet.
sleek tartan
@novel mason oh but it does as I said before. It's quite simple.
If you need 1 more bullet to kill, but your gun is the one with the lowest fire rate
of course there's a differnce
they all have the same damage
novel mason
True, but there's also difference in recoil, accuracy, etc
sleek tartan
Well, true.
novel mason
e.g, I can't hit the broadside of a barn w/ the Suomi at 40m, but I could do fine with the Sten/MP40
mellow willow
btw. the out of borders timer is broken as well
got killed before the announcer finished~
sleek tartan
But I don't feel like the STEN made up for what it lacked already before, this change is harshest on slow fire rate weapons, just that.
merry ivy
with 1 extra bullet, the TTK gap between say 1000 RPM and 500 RPM only grows wider
lucid marsh
I just played the new ttk for the first time and it doesn't seem to affect me too much with my average skill level, there were a few moments but other then that the only thing it allows me to do is have some bullshit moments
novel mason
I can definitely see why you say that, but in my experience so far it's been performing alright
lucid marsh
where I should have died but still live
merry ivy
I hate this change
sleek tartan
@merry ivy exactly, and the longer the time to kill is in bullets, the more difference in actual time there will be
merry ivy
TTD still isn’t great, occasionally still getting instabursted
mellow willow
but SMGs… meh 😛
solid hinge
Really tired of getting one shot by the ke7
merry ivy
if they were trying to cover up their shitty netcode it didn’t work
solid hinge
it fucking didn't
merry ivy
at least if we go back to the TTK before
novel mason
Has anyone here used the MP34 a bit before & after the change? It's now the only weapon that doesn't take 9 BTK at super long range so I'm kinda curious
merry ivy
netcode is still shit
burnt maple
They dont know how to fix the TTD so they just increased the TTK to see if it offsets anything. But you will still get insta-killed... makes sense
merry ivy
but guns aren’t marshmallow shooters
mellow willow
@solid hinge actually had one of those moments just that last game
sleek trail
These TTK changes are probably a knee jerk reaction to these 1 frame deaths they are seeing but have no clue whats causing them
merry ivy
its netcode
gray glade
netcode is a wide concept tho
novel mason
merry ivy
but oh well, why do smart thing when stupid thing pretends to do trick?
mellow willow
https://i.imgur.com/mjYYpXs.mp4 @solid hinge there, also look at how much damage/score I get 😛
steel fjord
@novel mason pretty sure thats the packet loss icon on his right side
burnt maple
smaxx lol
novel mason
It is, yeah. Still a good example of what people are talking about
novel mason
At 70m
azure vault
TTK wasn't changed
winged basin
Wut
burnt maple
TTK was, TTD wasnt
azure vault
TTK wasnt changed
gray glade
it was tho?
burnt maple
ok troll here, dont feed it
solid hinge
lol
azure vault
vOv
solid hinge
especially after midnight
winged basin
But he’s hungry.
merry ivy
TTK was changed
solid hinge
@mellow willow you literally just zoom to 0
winged basin
One little snack won’t hurt.
novel mason
@steel fjord Actually, do you have a source for the BFV performance icons? I can't find the one in the video featured in any of the sources for BF4
merry ivy
guns are now rocket launchers but they only have marshmallows in them
maiden steppe
Anyone know a snowman that isn't broken by the fortifications bug?
Narvik snowman is impossible to build
merry ivy
deadly marshmallow... pew pew!
novel mason
Closest icon to it in the guide I have is the low FPS indicator
solid hinge
Snowperson!
steel fjord
@novel mason how is some1 having packet loss and dying like that not be related?
merry ivy
maybe if I launch enough marshmallows at an enemy, they die of diabetes
azure vault
packet loss is the three little stack of papers
mellow willow
novel mason
@maiden steppe It's not just the snowman
steel fjord
@novel mason only found the icons for the previous games. asked on twitter about the new ones
mellow willow
(with minor stylistic changes)
@Flip Just look for BF4 or BF1, they're basically the same
winged basin
Icons are the same from previous games.
steel fjord
fps one has stuff in the middle. the one on the reddit post was flat
novel mason
I don't think it's related 'cause that's what people are complaining about when it comes to TTD
mellow willow
yes, but that's minor
novel mason
True, but it's also not three tiny squares
novel mason
Why not? -EA DICE, 2018
steel fjord
me.
merry ivy
and a 9mm
solid hinge
churny mccurnface
merry ivy
and a few plane tickets
novel mason
Just about no one, their reasoning for it was that people were leaving the game & not coming back because they were dying too quickly
merry ivy
well now those people can leave both because of shitty gunplay and the same instant deaths which haven’t been fixed
solid hinge
$
novel mason
Yea, it was just off the top of my head
steel fjord
we see from our game data that the wider player base is dying too fast leading to faster churn
novel mason
Although not extremely vocal within our deeply engaged community, we see from our game data that the wider player base is dying too fast leading to faster churn - meaning players may be getting frustrated with dying too fast that they choose not to log back in and learn how to become more proficient at Battlefield V. Changing TTK values in addition to improving TTD elements will help these particular instances and hopefully result in better gameplay experiences for players of all skill levels.
Are you happy
mellow willow
@merry ivy I just think it's worse now - the gap between TTK and TTD is even bigger than before, which does pretty much nothing to attract more casual players, especially since bolt actions and shotguns are unchanged
sleek tartan
I really want the community to be vocal about their feelings on TTK 0.5 but please don't be arses in the end I actually agree with people who say some are getting this out of hand
steel fjord
yeah. their data probably says people spend too much time dead. correlate that with the in combat status and you have have ttk changes
sleek tartan
stuff like "changes are shiiiiiitttt" midly okay. "I really don't like the changes, I'm angry with them" much better
novel mason
It'll kinda always be that way though. I'm sure the devs recognize that at this point
sleek tartan
"You devs are completely idiotic and should be fired" really no no
solid hinge
just bump aaa games to 100$ no dlc and release with more content
I think dice put themselves in a rock and a hard place
icy sluice
cough
solid hinge
honestly, games have been at $60 too long
sleek tartan
"I really think some changes in the development team could help" okay 😄
solid hinge
yep
sleek tartan
lul
solid hinge
the price needs to increase so we can stop being fucked over
azure vault
lol, BF5's exec producer is leaving at the end of the month
icy sluice
I feel like one of the only people who use the Lewis
sleek tartan
Pea shooting?
solid hinge
I like sticking with one for each class
sleek tartan
JK JK :P^
icy sluice
Currently, my favorite guns in the game are the Lewis, the Tommy and the STG44
pulsar summit
same
novel mason
I can't handle the horizontal recoil on the Tommy
icy sluice
MG42 is still really high up there but the uhh... the bipod fucks it
vague dagger
the issue is you cant use all the guns bc not enough CC
sleek tartan
My favourite weapon was the M1A1 and being a carabine it has also been affected by the time to kill change so much, honestly, from being one of the best weapons it went all the way down to pretty crap 💩
icy sluice
Not the fact you have to be bipoded but the bipod system.... sucks
novel mason
DICE Have so much on their plate, the poor bois
mellow willow
btw out of interest, why is the deserter timer now at 4s? and the circle doesn't start at the full time? https://i.imgur.com/9XwbqIR.mp4
charred heron
Imagine having iron sights on your MG
This post was made by MMG Gang
vague dagger
depends on location
charred heron
sleek tartan
@mellow willow because skilled players were able to go into the red zone and kill enemies there
literal words
vague dagger
near spawns its shorter to keep people from running into spawns
carmine eagle
Am here
mellow willow
I killed them before getting in there :p
doesn't make any sense to start the circle half way through
novel mason
-
A bunch of bugs brought by the first ToW week
-
Bipod
-
Lackluster practice range
carmine eagle
Yep
burnt maple
Smaxx you assume too much from these guys
carmine eagle
Is turret towing fixed yet?
novel mason
Turret towing?
sleek tartan
nope
carmine eagle
Damn
novel mason
Like the high DPI thing?
gray glade
bipod changed?
novel mason
Noop
burnt maple
building fixed?
slate zephyr
How the new update
vague dagger
no but bipod is glitchy as shit
novel mason
Depends on who you ask @slate zephyr 😄
vague dagger
i swear the gun recoils and my guy says "time to put this away!"
carmine eagle
Whenever you tow a cannon the car glitches and teleports everywhere, I hate it
mellow willow
@carmine eagle Well… I can assure you the game certainly doesn't portray female drivers as good drivers. I somehow had the idea of towing a gun in Nordlys… https://twitter.com/TheSmaxx/status/1072447291297067008
gray glade
ah, well nothing new there but at least they are working on it
carmine eagle
Well
novel mason
Oh yea, they did address that in the first ToW update @carmine eagle
carmine eagle
Ok
mellow willow
read something like that as well, yes
novel mason
I towed a field gun yesterday and it didn't do anything weird
mellow willow
it still exploded for me on sunday 😄
novel mason
💀
carmine eagle
You have to tow it in a car, not a tank
mellow willow
that's not a tank
carmine eagle
For it to glitch at least
mellow willow
that's what I call a big car
novel mason
I was in the german thing
carmine eagle
What German thing
novel mason
Let me find it lmao
solid hinge
@charred heron MMGS ONLY
icy sluice
I hate that no one really takes advantage of towing
west plinth
I love towing
icy sluice
There's a towable fucking 6 Pounder and you can aim it towards the three impending tanks
But no
Fuck you
🖕
west plinth
We usually roam in the "party truck" fully loaded and with a manned AA at the back
novel mason
It's the armored transport one @carmine eagle
carmine eagle
Yeah, you can sit in the cannon while moving and it’s hilariously over powered
novel mason
With the MG in the back & top
I think no one tows because there's never a convenient transport vehicle
icy sluice
Tanks can also tow I am sure
solid hinge
They can
west plinth
They can
solid hinge
But uh...
west plinth
AA tank + flak is a bitchy combo
icy sluice
Also, the Staghound... the autocannon is overpowered against tanks
solid hinge
Its kinda retarded
west plinth
Stag runs circles around the Tiger. I always feel a bit bad
icy sluice
I destroyed a Tiger I in like a few seconds with the autocannon because I got behind him
novel mason
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/a5mlw0/lets_take_a_look_at_that_netcode_dice/
I feel like this happens to me so often :(
solid hinge
Why is their no infantry support
merry ivy
why is the old TTK limited to “conquest core”? I hate conquest, its just musical chairs but with flags
icy sluice
Fffffuck infantry support when you drive like 30mph
solid hinge
Why the germans made halftracks.webm
icy sluice
Breaking news, the coffee machine at DICE was fixed
solid hinge
HOLY SHIT
novel mason
Why didn't BB report this >:(
novel mason
Where?
narrow flame
Are they releasing map in the order of the wars?
final river
it was in the last patch notes i think
or whatever message they put out in the last week
novel mason
The only thing I saw them say about it was that they saw people were upset about it after a comment saying no got ~100 downvotes
maiden steppe
I'm glad that DICE broke fortifications just days before this week of Tides of War ends
nobody can build the snowman now
it only gets one part of the snowman built, the rest doesn't build
solid hinge
I built snowman yesterday
solid hinge
Fortifications also seemed fine
Different platform maybe
do you wanna build a snowmaaan
novel mason
Fortifications are broken for me on PC as well
solid hinge
same
median raven
Just out of curiosity if you did notice any issues with TTD, being killed in one frame and dying behind cover, did you feel like certain guns were doing it more than others?
novel mason
Sten from what I can remember
west plinth
But yeah, STEN was by far the most frequent
novel mason
The censor system censors the hi in "Oh hi mark" btw
solid hinge
final river
saying hi is toxic use hello its non toxic
solid hinge
hey what’s up hello
final river
hello 😃
solid hinge
Hi
final river
😡
rocky verge
solid hinge
solid hinge
the trick is to never leave the game 
lilac crag
my tasks
compact oxide
@amber notch how's smgs
proud bough
Are they going to reverse the TTK changes
wild nymph
KE7
bronze aurora
i just saw a new update is coming
solid hinge
they will they just dpnt know it yet...
compact oxide
Reversing it would be admitting defeat
proud bough
Reversing it would prove they’re listening to us
compact oxide
And they're in a war against all of us
wild nymph
maiden steppe
yeah I'm legit not gonna be playing until DICE reverts this change
yes I know there's another mode for the old system
proud bough
^
maiden steppe
there's barely any servers for them
ripe epoch
So is the ttk bad now?
novel mason
Form your own opinion.
maiden steppe
squad-wiping felt horribad when I was playing
ripe epoch
I will.. but I'd like others though...
maiden steppe
mid-range guns like mp40 and lewis gun feel terrible without the ability to aimpunch people like you could in BF1
to make those guns good
proud bough
From what I’ve heard the changes were terrible
Bolt action rifles will dominate probably like in 1, since they were left unchanged
maiden steppe
catch me on PUBG where the gunplay is 10x better 👍
shell kiln
This TTK SUCKS
proud bough
yeet
ripe epoch
I use the Lewis and it took forever to kill already
When did the ttk go live? Last night??
maiden steppe
suomi felt nice to use but I was still taking one more mag to wipe two squads
frequently had to get out the pistol
modern shell
Im loving this ttk, I can take a lot of chances and chain headshot 25% aim baddies and come out alive
simple marlin
ttk improved gameplay potential and punishes corners camper gameplay
so ye, its a very good thing
and can ppl stop complaining about this and then pretending that medic SMG are useless now
this is straight lie
maiden steppe
well, I was never corner-camping with my squad-wipes
shortly before this, it was disadvantageous to do because of the whole minimap spotting on kill bug
solid hinge
i would test it out if i wasnt protesting
modern shell
medics are meant for cqc, thompsons still a lazer on objective fights
maiden steppe
In fact, I was very much capable of playing and doing well at BF1 even before they made everyone less bullet-spongey
ever since I started getting better at squad-wiping these changes feel horrible
solid hinge
ttk is awful
merry ivy
TTK punishes good flanks and rewards lack of situational awareness
simple marlin
suomi/thompson are very strong right now and those are my most used weapons
solid hinge
ttk is fine
modern shell
the only time ttk punishes flank is when u have potatoe aim
solid hinge
bf1 ttk is p nice
maiden steppe
lmao
simple marlin
no it doesn't punishes good flanks, it actually rewards the player to aim better
maiden steppe
i need those emotes
solid hinge
NITRO
simple marlin
vs baddies you're actually having more potential to kill people than before
maiden steppe
it's Battlefield where you fight multiple people at a time
because god knows your teammates aren't gonna help you do it
broken depot
I fucking wish
simple marlin
it's a FPS, if you dont care about aiming then you probs want to change of genre
winged basin
“Who cares about aiming when in duels” in an FPS.
modern shell
"who cares about aiming" omegalul
winged basin
This is what DICE has to put up with.
solid hinge
Tbh if you're on your own in a battlefield game youre playing it wrong
maiden steppe
Missed my point completely. When taking on multiple targets you need to be able to snap to them one at a time
Tracking a target for longer ruins this
modern shell
you can do alot with a 4man that knows what to do
maiden steppe
I also find track-aiming to be easier than flick-aiming personally
so these changes don't affect me much when taking 1v1s
modern shell
thats the average human tho
solid hinge
Medic vs Medic after TTK update
https://i.imgur.com/vRDgR8M.gif?noredirect
solid hinge
yes 9 hits to kill now
simple marlin
no its not
solid hinge
at 70m
maiden steppe
Medic CQB fighting is practically unchanged but they feel even more like peashooters when shooting past that, which is horrible
modern shell
medic thompson, aim spec recks body shot baddies
simple marlin
what are you trying to do, playing recon ?
you're medic buddy, you can lay 4 smokes
use those to come in close
and spray that
maiden steppe
Like, go play Medic with Suomi and you're probably gonna do just as well, if not better than before.
simple marlin
not that hard darling
modern shell
peoole complainf about smg range makes my head melt
solid hinge
Nah i just uninstalled the game. Back to bf4 and bf1
modern shell
look i cant even type anymore
midnight nimbus
yeah, Suomi is proportionally way better than other SMGs compared to before
winged basin
I think people miss the point that medic smgs aren’t for long range fights. Stay behind your team, use smokes and heal. That’s what medics are for.
broken depot
So there arent people here who like
midnight nimbus
turns out nuking TTK isn't good
midnight nimbus
BF1 isn't the same TTK
broken depot
or am I just reading this wrong
solid hinge
nope bf1 semi auto take 1 less bullet to kill
maiden steppe
And for the record, many actual good players (4+ K/D, 2+ KPM, 700+ SPM) still despise these changes.
midnight nimbus
it was better, even before TTK 2.0
modern shell
git gud and know ur weakness and ull slay as medic
broken depot
Fucker
winged basin
Of course high k/d players despise the changes.
broken depot
Every class
simple marlin
yeah, say that to my kda exploding since the patch and being constantly top3 at worst as medic
solid hinge
OH WOW
modern shell
git gud
simple marlin
you're just bad
solid hinge
IT TAKES ONE MORE BULLET TO KILL NO
simple marlin
you don't know how to utilize medic strenghts
broken depot
How about both of you go choke on my MP40
solid hinge
HOLY SHIT
modern shell
im more of a thompson guy
maiden steppe
you're better as medic because CQB combat is the only thing that matters now lol
broken depot
Fucker I main medic, doesnt change the fact its outclassed by everyone
simple marlin
mp40 might need a small buff as it is more of a midrange weapon and kinda meh in close
modern shell
maybe ur being outclassed?
maiden steppe
I played medic earlier today and I was still able to do squad-wipes.
solid hinge
1 more bullet = 10% of my mag that i have to load 1 bullet at a time
maiden steppe
Playing mid-range guns on other classes felt terrible tho
simple marlin
but darling, try something else than mp40 and you will be fine
solid hinge
@solid hinge git gud
green kernel
The game has been censored from day1.. who hasn't surprised when this bitch company catered to PC and causual fucktards
Rip bf5
solid hinge
Censored
maiden steppe
Tell us to git gud. Try saying the same thing when you're trying to "git gud" enough to snap to multiple targets in a squad-wipe.
broken depot
Quachie stop being an ass, you have to be retarded to not see how everyone beats out medic
slate zephyr
Pewpew u need a hug
broken depot
Support and assault have better mid range options, assault has better close range options
and recon is recon
simple marlin
@broken depot no u
modern shell
simple marlin
green kernel
Give me a hug then
modern shell
tachanka helm 🤗
slate zephyr
green kernel
🤗
simple marlin
cant believe how people are actually upset that the game is having more gameplay potential than before
getting chainkilled by random spray wasnt fun at all
maiden steppe
it doesn't tho. It actually lowers the skill ceiling and makes a lot of guns feel like peashooters at their intended engagement distance.
modern shell
people just wanna prone and body shoot
broken depot
WHY DO THESE DUMBASS ASSAULTS
maiden steppe
5 bullet to kill is perfectly fine and doesn't reward random spray too much
broken depot
KEEP RUNNING FORM MY CRATE
simple marlin
how does it lower skills?
broken depot
YOU HAVE 0 HEALTH
green kernel
300+hrs and officially uninstalled until a fix 😣
solid hinge
intended didtamce6
broken depot
ITS RIGHT FUCKING THERE
dense bone
higher ttk increases skill...
maiden steppe
Lowers the skill ceiling because you're overall less capable of squad-wiping people in a short time than before, and these changes reward zerg rushing more
solid hinge
lmao
dense bone
more time for mechanics
modern shell
Played some andromeda yesterday, not bad
maiden steppe
High TTK only increases skill for 1v1 fights, but Battlefield isn't a game about taking 1v1's.
dim gazelle
I want it as it was
broken depot
You hurt my will to live @simple marlin
simple marlin
nobody likes your simulacre of a hardcore gamemode in the whole game
maiden steppe
It's often about taking 1v2's, 1v3's even 1v4's if you wanna help your team substantially