actually its gonna be more alive
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
amber notch
Wtf
viscid crater
Awful
solid hinge
specially when firestorm hits
novel mason
I do wish that the reddit/discord had more actual discussion rather than a circlejerk at times
low quail
@icy sluice did not hear about it
dense bone
uninstall
unborn blaze
What part of the community didn't like the TTK?
dense bone
this server is a circle jerk
viscid crater
The "none vocal" members
solid hinge
I would’ve gotten this game for cheaper
dense bone
people glad their opinion is being echoed everywhere and getting off on it
rotund perch
I think the people who are complaining are just bots from youtube
viscid crater
"Although not extremely vocal within our deeply engaged community, we see from our game data that the wider player base is dying too fast leading to faster churn - meaning players may be getting frustrated with dying too fast that they choose not to log back in and learn how to become more proficient at Battlefield V. Changing TTK values in addition to improving TTD elements will help these particular instances and hopefully result in better gameplay experiences for players of all skill levels."
rotund perch
who talk shit for no reason
viscid crater
👏
solid hinge
When they did a strawpoll on twitter about 30%ish didn't like the current TTK (either too slow or too fast)
But I don’t expect a triple A game to go on sale that quickly
regal sapphire
l o l
umbral stone
Maybe this TTk would be ok for Firestorm but not for simple conquest or operations
novel mason
It is
regal sapphire
^
dense bone
fickle people
solid hinge
It’s so bad
midnight nimbus
I mean a lot of mechanics are in anticipation of BR
icy sluice
lol
dense bone
dont even give time to get used to something to outright say its bad
novel mason
Even though I don't mind it, the decision to not use a CTS is pretty weird to me. This is exactly what they should be for, right? haha.
midnight nimbus
easier to just directly carry over MP assets into BR
viscid crater
"Although not extremely vocal within our deeply engaged community, we see from our game data that the wider player base is dying too fast" fuck the people who stay tho right?
viscid crater
it is
solid hinge
Worst of all the ttd ain’t even different
icy sluice
@dense bone After 6 matches, it's almost the same
unborn blaze
I dunno, guess we'll see
indigo harness
servers down tho?
dense bone
the changes are minor
solid hinge
Still dying to one frames
icy sluice
Yeh
solid hinge
I only really felt it on the sturmgewehr. Tried most weapons that apprently had their ttk change
viscid crater
Minor he says
umbral stone
Try Gewehr 43 and u will see
viscid crater
they killed the game
dense bone
imo its the to the point of why change it
novel mason
@indigo harness Not on PC at least
icy sluice
Now, Snipers have a bigger chance of killing someone with a G43 across the map
dense bone
people are just used to shooting this amount of time to get a kill, and now that has changed slightly they rage
unborn blaze
At least there's Conquest Core
solid hinge
But yeah let battlefield 5 fail so dice can learn to not destroy their own game
icy sluice
People love to overreact 
viscid crater
lol
primal sage
I wanted to say I kinda liked the old TTK in a weird way.
dense bone
@solid hinge this is my 2nd favorite bf after bf4
modern shell
im doing fine with a thompson
primal sage
It kinda accurately reflected a WWII warzone.
viscid crater
It's not overreacting when even people ingame are saying its shite
low quail
BFV will have Hardline faith if they won't do it better
undone forge
they never learned it after bf3
icy sluice
me too @modern shell
primal sage
If you cross the open you always run the chance of being cut down.
dense bone
its overreacting
novel mason
Same w/ the Sten
solid hinge
Legit the guns feel like shit
dense bone
guns feel way better than anything before it wtf...
icy sluice
I've killed someone 80m away with the Tommy no problem
solid hinge
@dense bone I loved this game until I played the new ttk changes
viscid crater
I've hardly played since getting home
solid hinge
"O noes my G43 doesn't laser anymore across the map, what will I do now"
viscid crater
I usually don't stop
viscid crater
No they don't
icy sluice
80m shots do like 20 damage with the Tommy
dense bone
they just take .25 more seconds to kill
viscid crater
........
unborn blaze
that's .25 seconds boi
kindred orchid
Depends on the gun.
dense bone
they didnt change the guns recoil or patterns...
umbral stone
Let us hope for dice returning OLD ttk
dense bone
thats how a gun feels
icy sluice
It isn't anything major, it all feels like a minor change
solid hinge
I only really felt the TTK change with the sturmgewehr out of all the changed weapons
marble phoenix
TTK = ?
dense bone
how powerful they are is different
viscid crater
Time to kill
icy sluice
TTK = Time to Kill
modern shell
I do fine with thompson aim fire spec, not sure hip fire is wise right now
unborn blaze
Yeah, but the damage is lower
novel mason
I do feel kinda bad for the people that bought the game because they heard it had a lower TTK, then had the update go live right away
rugged cairn
Is there a way to train with vehicles/tanks in the practice mode?
kindred orchid
When you're counting on a certain number of bullets to kill and reloads, it'll make a difference.
icy sluice
@unborn blaze Not by much
dense bone
doesnt mean the FEEL of the gun changed
novel mason
There's a vehicle range, yea @rugged cairn
midnight nimbus
nah, you hit vrec and spread values way too fast
viscid crater
@kindred orchid But that's not how a gun feels /s
midnight nimbus
guns are designed around aimbots
rugged cairn
Oh, how do I access it?
midnight nimbus
at specific ranges
kindred orchid
Especially for low bullet count guns, like the m1907.
solid hinge
Is the TTK changed yet?
midnight nimbus
M1907 wasn't hurt bad
amber notch
They should have just slowly rolled out the TTK changes in servers dedicated to the new TTK, and get player feedback
kindred orchid
I'll have to see.
dense bone
no
viscid crater
well not shotguns lol
simple marlin
so ye, i really like the ttk changes
still mica
core is just conquest right?
simple marlin
the game feels more enjoyable and playable
novel mason
I honestly haven't played it myself, but it's somewhere in the main area. I believe there are signs leading you to it. I got that from the stream before the update went live though, so I could be wrong. @rugged cairn
viscid crater
@amber notch Should of been a PTE tbh. It shouldn't just come to prod
kindred orchid
They nerfed the self loading rifles, it's 3 hit kill now no matter what, right?
novel mason
@still mica Correct. Currently only "Conquest Core"
still mica
Hm okay
novel mason
kindred orchid
Unless headshot.
rugged cairn
There was a vehicle course, but it was just driving a kubelwagen on a lap
novel mason
"Self-Loading Rifles:
Will now require one extra shot when hitting the lower body, arms or legs unless the other shot is a headshot."
rich fractal
guys do i need origin access to be able to play bfv?
dense bone
i like that people cry about less effective camping and more room for skill to shine...
dense bone
higher ttk leads to more time for mechanics, mechanics are skill
novel mason
The store page is just convoluted. There should be a button that says something like 'No thanks, just buy it (59.99)' @rich fractal
dense bone
the higher skilled player should win in higher ttk games
viscid crater
lol
dense bone
low ttk is basically positioning and who sees who first wins
rich fractal
cuz i cant play it anymore so i dont know ..
dense bone
especially when headshot multipliers exist
viscid crater
Oh so what if I get the flank on a squad. I can't kill them all before they turn and kill me
novel mason
Did you buy the game, Loli?
dense bone
you saw me first but body shot? if i have the skill to shoot your dome after you already shot me, ill win
go for headshots
viscid crater
It's pointless even bothering. May as well camp with the mg42
midnight nimbus
low TTK is less positioning lol
dense bone
you can still clear whole buildings if you have the skill
simple marlin
i did my best games as medic in the last games even tho they're supposed to be shit now
:jebaited:
midnight nimbus
or even BF1
modern shell
honestly seems like the ttk gonna annoy the casuals even more, I die less and I kill more
midnight nimbus
BF1 positioningfield
viscid crater
This is just going in circles yet again.
dense bone
positioning is always important...
amber notch
Just slide
serene patrol
#TeamNewTTK lets make this as cringy as possible
rich fractal
ya i bought the deluxe edition
simple marlin
just did a 32-7 conquest game, which is great
dense bone
but anyone who argues high ttk is easier or more casual are just wrong
marble phoenix
what class? @simple marlin
simple marlin
Medic
midnight nimbus
TTK isn't inherently casual or more hardcore
novel mason
Weird. Is the button greyed out or something @rich fractal?
simple marlin
Suomi 😃
midnight nimbus
mechanics in general are never inherently casual or hardcore
dense bone
it is one of the main components
marble phoenix
that gun in medic class sounds like its farting
ruby oriole
for some reason, i got all the letters and challanges of the last tiger but havent got the skin
serene patrol
Next step is too add doritos back
ruby oriole
it says i only have 3 of the letters but ive grabbed all 6, and can even read all 6 in the menu
dense bone
there is no one sole factor to determine casual or competitive, its how they all play together, but higher ttk in general does favor skill over other aspects like positioning or map knowledge
unborn blaze
Hmmmm
novel mason
That's been reported a lot. I'd try to contact support @ruby oriole
solid hinge
@dense bone it’s called bulletspongefield 5 now lol
So I played the changes and the gun fights feel really inconsistent
They destroyed the way guns work now in battlefield 5
dense bone
i like an emphasis on headshots too, in "old" ttk theres really no reason to go for headshots, the ttk difference between body and headshots is fractions of a second
viscid crater
Battlesponge V
dense bone
at least now you have inclination to use skill and aim for the head
but its proven people dont want that
viscid crater
Proven by who exactly?
dense bone
the constant bitching
solid hinge
@dense bone shill am I right lol
regal sapphire
Says the guy bitching about the feedback lol
viscid crater
LOL
narrow mantle
Maybe they'll roll back the TTK change once they figure out why TTD is so compressed
novel mason
The reddit/discord isn't really a ground for the entire community, though. Becomes an echo chamber pretty quickly.
midnight nimbus
god the "headshots are skill" meme is ridiculous
no, headshots are always inherently more skillful
dense bone
wait, shooting a smaller target doesnt take more skill?
viscid crater
Maybe they don't change anything because they don't give a shit what we think 
unborn blaze
Headshots are pretty random, lol
solid hinge
Headshots are skill lol
midnight nimbus
what's the difference between shooting a head up close and a body at range?
solid hinge
Good joke
dense bone
if they didnt give a shit they would have put out the ttk and not kept the old
unborn blaze
Damage
midnight nimbus
if headshots are the only viable way to kill people, just make the head the only hitbox
soldiers are now floating heads
dense bone
but its not..
regal sapphire
It is
dense bone
lol
solid hinge
It is
viscid crater
It kinda is
dense bone
gtfo if you actually believe that
viscid crater
No
narrow mantle
The real problem I had with TTK was more about the fact that I can't react fast enough from first hit, to duck, move, jump, etc to try to avoid the death..
simple marlin
thinking that doing headshots is random
novel mason
Wait wat. How are headshots random
simple marlin
its cuz you're never trying to do headshots
severe wraith
That's very stupid to say
simple marlin
and when u do those, its random
viscid crater
Best thing to do is to make sure you don't get shot first 
simple marlin
its not bcs its random for you, that it is for everyone else
regal sapphire
^
solid hinge
I regret my purchase
regal sapphire
L u l
viscid crater
:))
dense bone
then uninstall and leave server
solid hinge
No
dense bone
dice got yo money
viscid crater
And who are you @dense bone
cerulean finch
after the update the game constant crashes with c0x000005 same error of bf1 with ryzen what are happening?
midnight nimbus
skill is decision-making and finding your best option
solid hinge
I play the game and I can complain about things I don’t like
viscid crater
Stop telling people what to do lol
dense bone
skill is not decision making...
regal sapphire
Yes it is
dense bone
lol
midnight nimbus
headshots as your constant best option is boring and binary
viscid crater
WHAT
dense bone
no its not
novel mason
@cerulean finch When are the crashes happening
regal sapphire
This guy
viscid crater
My brain hurts
regal sapphire
This fuckin guy lmao
viscid crater
#shillsquad
midnight nimbus
skill is doing the best possible action in every scenario
craggy estuary
#notmyttk is a dumb tag
viscid crater
#beggingforgamechanger xD
cerulean finch
5 min later i enter a game
dense bone
listen, skill is landing headshots, decision making is going for the headshot
cerulean finch
i are installing again
regal sapphire
It's not like they care
dense bone
going for the headshot but not hitting the shots means you dont have the skill
regal sapphire
lol
craggy estuary
nothing we say matters so dont bother
regal sapphire
severe wraith
Decision making is skill
viscid crater
my head
dense bone
no its not
viscid crater
it hurts
severe wraith
In csgo
dense bone
its not in any game
severe wraith
You could be the best aimer ever
regal sapphire
I'm just laughing at him now
viscid crater
WHAT?
dense bone
executing is skill
viscid crater
LOOOOL
severe wraith
But if you dont have gamesense
midnight nimbus
^
severe wraith
You cant make it on the biggest stages
dense bone
you lack the knowledge
solid hinge
Map knowledge is skill dummy
viscid crater
Gamesense is a skill all on its own
severe wraith
Gamesense is a part of every game
midnight nimbus
game sense boiled down is literally just decision making
solid hinge
Decision making is also skill you Buffon
severe wraith
An important part
dense bone
its a part of your overall efficiency, its not skill
viscid crater
LOOOOOL
dense bone
you cant perform knowing everything in the world if youre mechanics are bad
midnight nimbus
more to skill than aiming
severe wraith
dense bone
yes there is
viscid crater
You could have go aim, but no gamesense. You'd be shit
midnight nimbus
being skilled at a game like LoL or dota
dense bone
but that doesnt mean gamesense is skill
midnight nimbus
literally just being good at decision making
solid hinge
Lmao
midnight nimbus
FPS is the least cognitive genre possible
icy sluice
Lam-o
dense bone
someone with no arms or legs but has all the game knowledge in the world wont be able to compete, because they cant execute
viscid crater
You ever filled out a job application. They always say "key Skills" Decision making
......
still mica
woke
icy sluice
Key Skills
"Uh, I got a 7KD in Battlefie--"
"You're hired."
marble phoenix
Key Skills
"Capturing Objectives"
severe wraith
Nobody is saying only gamesense is the only think that makes you skilled
opaque hinge
would be the one listed
solid hinge
If u say Negre with a o it gets auto deleted... Its black in spanish tf
opaque hinge
if u say I have high spm
severe wraith
But it's part of it
viscid crater
It's a skill by itself tho
dense bone
skill - the ability to do something well; expertise.
not the ability to KNOW how to do something well, you have to be ABLE to do it
solid hinge
You need to know it to do it
regal sapphire
I thought DR Phil was Yagman
viscid crater
You KNOW how to read the game
opaque hinge
it is me
viscid crater
You KNOW how to position yourself
opaque hinge
someone is trying to copy me
dense bone
what does that do if you cant do it?
opaque hinge
steal my identity
icy sluice
Yes, reading the text 👌
regal sapphire
We should ban him
severe wraith
I am yagman
regal sapphire
Oh shi
severe wraith
I'm dr phil
opaque hinge
no
severe wraith
Not yagman
dense bone
i know this pixel is the best place to be, but getting on that pixel is the skill part
opaque hinge
im the real dr phil
regal sapphire
DR Phil can you send Nyphon to the Ranch?
opaque hinge
yagman is dr phil
severe wraith
I'm doctor phil 420 tho
dense bone
knowing to headshot is different than landing headshots
opaque hinge
severe wraith
So there ya go
viscid crater
I'm done. My brain can't comprehend this shite
opaque hinge
lol
midnight nimbus
doing things well = requires choosing the best course of action
skillful games = gotta be good to discern best strategies from suboptimal ones
midnight nimbus
all games are the same when you boil them down
dense bone
its incredible that people think knowledge is a skill
midnight nimbus
all operate on game theory
opaque hinge
they're different
dense bone
you need both to be good
solid hinge
Because knowledge is skill
opaque hinge
uhhh game theory is completely different
dense bone
but they are not the same
regal sapphire
It's incredible idiots like you exist Nyphon
modern shell
only in murrica knowledge is not a skill OMEGALUL
dense bone
doesnt mean that knowledge means you CAN do it
opaque hinge
^
midnight nimbus
yes, you need mechanical skill, but mechanical skill alone is binary. you kinda just have enough to get through the scenario or you don't
opaque hinge
knowledge =/= skill
dense bone
i just said you need both
opaque hinge
^
dense bone
but they are not the same
opaque hinge
i agree
modern shell
ok agree andy
dense bone
knowing to headshot is not the same as landing headshots
opaque hinge
lol
dense bone
one is skill one is knowledge
opaque hinge
its true tho
dense bone
how hard is this?
midnight nimbus
skill is applying knowledge
dense bone
exactly kht
novel mason
We need to phone a neurologist right now to figure this out
opaque hinge
yes
solid hinge
You need knowledge to apply it to skill
midnight nimbus
skill requires knowledge
dense bone
not really
solid hinge
So in a way knowledge=skill
midnight nimbus
they're mutually inclusive
still mica
this is great
opaque hinge
in a way
modern shell
skill and knowledge are bound together
opaque hinge
yeah
dense bone
i have the skill to shoot this guys left toe, doesnt mean its good to do that
opaque hinge
that's fair
dense bone
but i can do it
midnight nimbus
a game that doesn't require you to know much isn't that skillful
opaque hinge
imo:
dense bone
it means it lacks game knowledge
modern shell
what if the game skill is knowledge
opaque hinge
not saying im right or wrong, just my 2 cents
dense bone
shroud wrecks in any fps he goes into mostly on skill
midnight nimbus
games that are overly dependent on mechanical skill are shallow
teal topaz
Does anyone know when they are going to fix the vibration issue on console?
marble phoenix
raw talent = skill
you gotta teach a player to hone it
dense bone
he has knowledge that hs do more dmg in general
regal sapphire
Someone that plays BF5 and has good aim there will not perform good in Siege
opaque hinge
yeah fps is low skill by definition
regal sapphire
If he doesn't know anything about it
opaque hinge
just point and click
midnight nimbus
it's like the most brainlet game genre
opaque hinge
yeah
midnight nimbus
exactly
opaque hinge
that's fair
severe wraith
Everybody knows that headshots do more damage lmao
solid hinge
Shroud in siege is a joke
midnight nimbus
point and click adventure
novel mason
@teal topaz A dev was saying that's in the next patch on twitter yesterday. Don't exactly know what that means, but it's something. I'll try to find the tweet.
opaque hinge
yay
amber notch
🤷
icy sluice
Yay
opaque hinge
i want the helmet
severe wraith
Yay new ttk
opaque hinge
😄
novel mason
I need me that helmet
icy sluice
Time to get that helmut
severe wraith
Ttk
opaque hinge
⛑
solid hinge
I’m not excited for any part of battlefield 5 any more after they destroyed the gun play
@solid hinge but Stroud is a beast on it boi
marble phoenix
which helmet is it?
midnight nimbus
if you wanna make your FPS game more skillful, you need to force more decision making into it
solid hinge
And the ttk
novel mason
Ratburner
modern shell
tatchanka helm
midnight nimbus
that's the only thing that separates high and low skill FPS games
dense bone
or make the skill ceiling higher
marble phoenix
treat every kill like a highlight reel
midnight nimbus
making the skill ceiling higher = literally just more decision making
severe wraith
What was that guys name
opaque hinge
{-}7
novel mason
https://i.redd.it/1yx32wk8bl321.jpg
A real world pic of the helmet for people that haven't seen it yet
dense bone
most games just have a headshot dmg multiplier
severe wraith
Who was calling everyone fools
midnight nimbus
adding more recoil = still just point and click
solid hinge
Still think dice is delusional and a bunch of dummies
severe wraith
Anyone remember
amber notch
are all CQ games with the old TTK, or is there a separate gamemode for it
novel mason
Seperate gamemode called "Conquest Core"
amber notch
LOL
solid hinge
Separate mode @amber notch
solid hinge
Oh even better
midnight nimbus
look at siege, it heavily rewards headshots. doesn't make the gunplay skilled in the slightest
solid hinge
If I can’t even find servers for them then why else would I play battlefield 5
opaque hinge
imo siege is more skilled cause u gotta have the map knowledge
and operator knowledge
but meh
dense bone
but thats knowledge
solid hinge
Why bother am I right
solid hinge
Battlefield 5 is awful to play now
solid hinge
When you change the way the ttk plays it makes the game so much different and when it’s higher it feels worse to play
simple marlin
it just means that you ahve to get good
you relied too much on "spot first, kill first"
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dense bone
^
novel mason
Oh btw, does anyone know how the bleedout time works? I know you bleed out faster while in fire, but it seems randomly faster/slower.
dense bone
i die faster when in fire it seems
novel mason
https://twitter.com/DRUNKKZ3/status/1072615966624886784
Link to DRUNKKZ3 about the controller vibration glitch to whoever said they were having the issue
midnight nimbus
because you have to make decisions in gadget use and positioning
novel mason
I sort of wish the SLs got the spawn beacon after watching Battlenonsense's video
midnight nimbus
you have to know when to use things
when to assume certain positions
what positions to assume
shooting alone is like the least skilled thing ever
like is playing aim booster skill?
dense bone
right, but pressing the right button to place that anti nade machine isnt hard, it doesnt require much skill to do that
midnight nimbus
or opening a billion chrome windows and seeing how fast you can close them
narrow moss
why are they changing TTK
dense bone
but placing that anti nade is crucial
midnight nimbus
knowing when and where to put the trophy system is skillful
novel mason
midnight nimbus
if it's always "you HAVE to use it", it's not that skillful
amber notch
honestly its just fast fire rates now
dense bone
knowledge of when and where to put them is different
midnight nimbus
same goes for always hitting headshots
solid hinge
fast fire rate is always best
midnight nimbus
taking the extra 50ms to pick the head, or just going to the body?
dense bone
decision, not skill
midnight nimbus
making your game so that one option is always better is dumb
novel mason
Shotguns are probably pretty great too. They were before too, but still are
midnight nimbus
look at hipfire as a good example. a skillful player knows when to hipfire and when to ADS
where to move around
novel mason
I think we get the point lol.
midnight nimbus
there's a lot that separates a player that aims very well from relaaa
short estuary
RSC - 3 btk?!
feral horizon
Nope, gotta pander to youtubers on PC who just wanna have 24/7 sniper montages
novel mason
Do recons get self-loading or semi-auto?
opaque hinge
both
severe wraith
And guess what medic gets
novel mason
They just get self loading & bolt action, I think now
Recons I mean of course
& they were nerfed changed like the rest, but just to the limbs/lower body, which I agree with
solid hinge
@midnight nimbus siege is definitely one of the more skillful FPS games out there
severe wraith
@solid hinge the most
midnight nimbus
that's what I'm saying @solid hinge
siege is very skilled, but it's not because its gunplay is skillful in the slightest
severe wraith
What fps is more skillful @opaque cipher
midnight nimbus
siege gunplay is literally just magdump at the face
wild nymph
If u rank up as a class and u leave the game after the rank u dont get the gun right?
charred heron
PlAy FoR hOnOr
opaque cipher
I guess there is one for every type of FPS
charred heron
opaque cipher
Say Quake for example
Fast competitive scene that’s super heavy on trajectory calculation, baiting, map knowledge and all that
Siege on the other hand is much slower
In that perspective Quake can be superior in a way
modern shell
anyone wanna play sum fortnite
novel mason
@wild nymph I think the bug is random, but I wouldn't be surprised if that caused it more often. I believe it was also fixed recently, but I can't remember 100%.
dense bone
quake has a lot of knowledge to it, knowing the map, timers, what to get and where
its not straight up whose the better shot
or who can move around the map the most
opaque cipher
Siege has some neat stuff like drone baiting or run-out baiting
dense bone
theres no pure skill fps that i know of, since that would be boring
opaque cipher
But it all comes down to who shoots best or get lucky with recoil
midnight nimbus
siege with better movement and gunplay would be close to peak skill fps
novel mason
Commas are important
indigo harness
yes
novel mason
I love to eat, children
wild nymph
Wait so o cant get the gun?
dense bone
ha
indigo harness
novel mason
@wild nymph If you're missing a weapon I think the best way to go is just to contact support
midnight nimbus
pretty much no reason to target anything but the head
wild nymph
ok
severe wraith
@opaque cipher no
novel mason
NeRf bAsTioN
dense bone
the closest to pure skill fps imo would be barebone maps, with no textures, guns are laser accurate, movement is critical, level playing field. basically get rid of knowledge as much as possibly and rng
sorry this is off topic
modern shell
aim_maps
opaque cipher
Everyone with magnum
feral horizon
Flat field, snipers only, 300% movement and low gravity Halo hah
midnight nimbus
if there's any game genre BF can really learn from, it's RTS
make large player count modes less painful
dense bone
last post on skill vs knowledge
https://elearningindustry.com/difference-between-knowledge-and-skills-knowing-not-make-skilled
viscid crater
16 supports, 7 recon, 4 assaults and 3 medics. Perfect 👏
midnight nimbus
knowing and applying fam
dense bone
^
people here dont seem to understand that
and think they are the same
they arent
but they are both NEEDED to be good
midnight nimbus
knowing is a bigger part though, it has a much higher ceiling
viscid crater
Can't believe this discussion is still going on. Damn
dense bone
ehh, depends on game
also, respect to @midnight nimbus , we dont agree on a lot, but he always keeps it civil
midnight nimbus
might as well design your game to have a huge ceiling for better application of knowledge
icy sluice
Gonna be a medic on panzerstorm
novel mason
It's not so bad. Just be sure to top off your smokes whenever you can haha.
midnight nimbus
at the high end of aim (see: scream vs other CS pros), better aim doesn't benefit you that much more
dense bone
oh yea, cs is heavy on knowledge
solid hinge
imagine actually playing panzerstorm
dense bone
i dont have the time to invest into cs to get to the top of the crop
this pixel gives this crucial nade bounce
novel mason
I do hope the maps we get in the future are larger in scale. I really enjoy having lots of air/vehicles on both sides.
wild nymph
If i rank up to 13 as assault i get the gun thats locked at rank 8?
midnight nimbus
tbh, I hate the bigger is better obsession in BF
thorn heart
are u serious
midnight nimbus
most of the map already goes unplayed
thorn heart
dice reasoning for ttk update was that people had stopped logging in
kind pebble
@midnight nimbus Fine go play COD then
severe wraith
@novel mason I hope they're smaller
thorn heart
so it correlates to dying too much somehow
severe wraith
There are too many big ones
thorn heart
maybe its because the game is broken and has no progression to keep me coming back?
midnight nimbus
lol "don't have fuckhuge maps" = reeeeee CoD
kind pebble
@midnight nimbus Lol, go play COD if you dont like big maps
The whole of BATTLEFIELD
midnight nimbus
maps are already big
novel mason
I definitely agree a good few of the maps we have now are large, but to me it also feels like they're very infantry focused. Except for Panzerstorm, of course.
midnight nimbus
running simulator
dense bone
yea there are parts to maps i havent been to
kind pebble
they are big for a reason
midnight nimbus
rather have modes that make use of the current size
low quail
lol, i'm watching a live stream they try to build a snowman, and snowman isn't appearing
novel mason
I also wish we had more transport vehicles at spawn.
midnight nimbus
and make use of more of the map
severe wraith
It's annoying to play medic on big maps
novel mason
Yup. happening to just about everyone, sadly @low quail
severe wraith
@amber notch ur noob
kind pebble
@amber notch my boy
severe wraith
midnight nimbus
yeah, big maps just make playing whatever class with SMGs a chore
novel mason
I actually just about only play medic, Phil. It's definitely harder than an only CQC map, but I do enjoy working with my team
kind pebble
but anyway it doesnt matter if maps are big or not and whether certain areas in certain maps are used or not, the level of detail in the game does count a little buit
novel mason
I feel like in every video I watch, their game looks so much better than mine. No idea why.
peak smelt
Would have been nice if they didnt censor the nazi swastka
why do they censor it anyway
kind pebble
@peak smelt that my friend is a very stpid question
novel mason
Just to play it safe. No legal reason to, anymore
peak smelt
@kind pebble Well i don't care..
severe wraith
Because they play on better settings
novel mason
I have everything on ultra 
low quail
i wish at the death screen to show a little more the person who killed you
peak smelt
censoring the nazi swastka is just stupid
torpid umbra
@short estuary i have got it
peak smelt
it is... why'd they censor it..
its still history
whatever they done.. its still history
severe wraith
@novel mason 1440p
novel mason
On the topic of censors, I do wish we could toggle the chat censor. Especially because of the random SFW words it censors.
midnight nimbus
why not play on all low man
novel mason
I play on a 2560x1080 monitor haha
kind pebble
@peak smelt yep and people use it today still, it might be histroy but its still a symbol used today and its considered a criminable act
novel mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AUaNB6lO_c
Like this video, for example
midnight nimbus
3440x1440 100fps and all low is 👌👌👌
severe wraith
They changed the saturation @novel mason
midnight nimbus
so much less tiring looking for enemies
novel mason
Ah, fair.
peak smelt
@kind pebble it's not censored in Egypt here at all
kind pebble
@peak smelt yh but the game isnt gunna change to fit one country is it
novel mason
Don't tell anyone, but I sometimes play with undergrowth & mesh on low so I can see people through grass and sandbags
worn cave
@amber notch run Medic any during that?
midnight nimbus
duh imagine not doing that
severe wraith
@kind pebble I'm just wondering where its illegal
midnight nimbus
and through smoke sometimes too
severe wraith
Censorship is stupid
wild nymph
I ranked up recon to level 13 and it said i leveled up but it did not say i got the gun 😭
novel mason
I don't believe it's illegal in any modern countries.
peak smelt
its illegal in germany
viscid crater
@wild nymph What gun?
peak smelt
and russia
severe wraith
@wild nymph did you finish a game
wild nymph
Yeah
novel mason
Germany changed that.
severe wraith
Russia is a suppressive country
viscid crater
Why is this the topic of conversation lol
novel mason
It is at least once a day lol
stuck plaza
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
stuck flame
because i live in austria
stuck plaza
HELP...?
wild nymph
Ill try repair the game and do another full round
stuck flame
thanks for answering my question
severe wraith
Scroll up
novel mason
Like I said before, people have had success contacting support for this issue. @wild nymph 😄
stuck plaza
I had origin access premeir that ended today, so i bought the normal game and i cant launch it
any idea?
severe wraith
@stuck plaza contact support
torpid umbra
dont leave your pc in sleep @stuck plaza
novel mason
https://myaccount.ea.com/cp-ui/orderhistory/index @stuck plaza
What does it say there?
stuck plaza
@torpid umbra OH SHUT UP PLEASE
torpid umbra
NO U
stuck plaza
lets squad up
torpid umbra
yaz
torpid umbra
that was easy
novel mason
It's a miracle
torpid umbra
i finally got the assigment
severe wraith
Ye It doesnt go away
stuck plaza
LOL RLY
modern shell
you had premier for a month then bought the game?
stuck plaza
yep
severe wraith
Did u use the 30 percent off code
zinc vale
I mean if you're only gonna play BFV it's a better deal
I'm only keeping premier to see if anthem is good or not
modern shell
I thought about doing that but I went premier for a year, seems like a better deal with anthem coming and what not
stuck plaza
@severe wraith i have 10 precent off
severe wraith
@stuck plaza nooooo
novel mason
@zinc vale Be sure to let me know 😄
stuck plaza
@severe wraith T O O L A T E
severe wraith
OKY
zinc vale
Yeah I'm tentatively excited since I liked both destiny's if it's just destiny but with flying and better mechanics I'll be happy
alpha is mixed
from what I've heard
modern shell
I played the alpha and I think its {REDACTED}
viscid crater
I give up with battlefield atm. I'm just not having fun. Off to siege in a minute I think
silk mist
I don't think it is this big of a problem
I can adjust
So many people telling horror stories and doomsday, but that is what gamers have become
Sad
viscid crater
It plays like shit. You may like it, I don't and that's fair enough. It's shit in mine and a fair few others opinions. But if you like it cool man.
novel mason
Sorry if you'll be reiterating yourself, but what don't you like about it in particular?
twilit pelican
I feel deprived
Am i missing out on anything with the new ttk?
I can't play online no ps plus
novel mason
Sounds like it's a PS issue
novel mason
twilit pelican
I read the list last night
novel mason
Oh, I see what ya mean
twilit pelican
Idgaf about numbers i want experiences and testimony from it put in to practice
novel mason
I don't think so, personally. I haven't noticed much of a difference at all, but I haven't played anything but medic
limber hedge
It's pretty bad, maybe they'll fix it in the future but this is probably it for bfv for me.
twilit pelican
You havent noticed a diff with medic?
Thats what they nerfed the most
What gun do you use?
limber hedge
Yep I main medic and it's noticeable
viscid crater
Personally, I feel the games gone backwards. Guns have become very unreliable. It feels like the weapons were tailored to the old TTK and now with the new one in place they don't really feel right. Clip sizes are a small, a long with starting the game with less ammo. Everything felt relatively well balanced before, yes a couple of guns were slightly op (G43 and ZH-27) imo but you could sort of work with that, both were constricted at close ranges. Now with the new TTK, most guns feel weak, it could be that I'm just used to the old way of things and It'll take time to adapt but honestly, I don't want to. This was my favourite battlefield for a while, I felt rewarded for smart positioning, not anymore. I could make a solid flank and get the drop on a squad and kill them. Now It's basically changed to being able to take out two of them and then needing to reload, by that time they've turned on me and I'm dead. It's like they've removed the encouragement of squad play since you take less damage overall (especially at range) that I don't need to run with a medic, because I'll have enough time to get to a resupply station. Overall the game just feels worse, and yes some people will adapt but a large number of people didn't want anything to change and are being forced into this new way of playing and it's kind of a kick in the face to all the players who have put the hours in already. @novel mason
onyx sequoia
ive noticed the sten has the best stats, do u think there are better guns for the medicclass?
sterile moon
Russian blogger screaming at bathefield 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIwCGSCfiu4 😂
twilit pelican
Is flanking rewarded?
viscid crater
Not imo.
solid hinge
Jesus everyone's up in arms with this ttk update
limber hedge
Was there a lot of complaints about TTK before? I thought it was fine.
novel mason
Yeah, I can definitely understand all of your points. I said this before, but the fact that they didn't use a CTE for a change like this is kinda beyond me
midnight nimbus
Sten doesn't have good stats
solid hinge
Think they're trying to casualize the game
viscid crater
@limber hedge No, not really
midnight nimbus
use M30 Drilling man
viscid crater
More with the TTD
midnight nimbus
literally untouched
onyx sequoia
"for medic class"
novel mason
@limber hedge One of their reasonings for changing it was that no one is really giving feedback about it, but statistically people were dying very fast
limber hedge
lmao what
viscid crater
@novel mason Really should have been done. I've said it a few times. It seems they are trying to give the illusion of being open and communicating with us
dense bone
higher ttk isnt more casual
limber hedge
If it ain't broke don't fix it
viscid crater
"Although not extremely vocal within our deeply engaged community, we see from our game data that the wider player base is dying too fast leading to faster churn - meaning players may be getting frustrated with dying too fast that they choose not to log back in and learn how to become more proficient at Battlefield V. Changing TTK values in addition to improving TTD elements will help these particular instances and hopefully result in better gameplay experiences for players of all skill levels."
That's from their official statement, enjoy
solid hinge
honestly idek what TTK or TTD is
dense bone
higher ttk just means more room for error, which means generally the better skilled player should win the firefights
limber hedge
they assume players are getting frustrated from data although no one has been vocal about it.
viscid crater
TTK = Time to kill
TTD = Time till death
solid hinge
thought so
viscid crater
@limber hedge basically
twilit pelican
They changed it based on a feeling. - Plays Boston's "More Than a Feeling"
novel mason
When someone complains about TTD they're complaining that the networking isn't good enough, so all the hits or multiple hits come in at once
limber hedge
You gotta know ea would fuck something up somehow
viscid crater
Higher TTK removes the ability for one guy to win in a firefight with more than one person.
novel mason
Great example of what people mean when they complain about TTD
dense bone
it doesnt remove the ability, it just lessens their chances, which is good, numbers should count
solid hinge
why? i’m really new to battlefield as a whole
dense bone
its a fine balance
limber hedge
I'm sure people have more hours in than me, but I'm sitting at 110 right now. After the last update it was in a good place. This one is bad
viscid crater
Not really, if I get the drop on 4 people I should be in a strong spot to win the fight
dense bone
you are in a strong spot, given you have the skill
twilit pelican
@amber notch fix them
solid hinge
like i get what the acronym means but what exactly is stopping one person from getting in a firefight with 3 people because that’s how im taking this
viscid crater
Skill has nothing to do with it. Most guns don't have the bullets anymore.
dense bone
you shouldnt be guaranteed kills JUST because you got the drop
amber notch
they can win against anything
literally anything
the front guns do so much damage to planes
twilit pelican
Thanos
twilit pelican
Snap your f**king fingers
amber notch
I was using the mosquito, going 29 kills easy game, then a stuka comes out of nowhere and kills me in 2 secnds
like
novel mason
With a lower TTK if you get in a firefight with someone a squad, if you hit your shots before they can, you'll probably win. With a higher TTK, they'll likely kill you before your weapon has the chance to kill them, @solid hinge
amber notch
TF
dense bone
you said lower ttk twice
viscid crater
And that's why high TTK is worse
amber notch
then i respawn in the mosquito, and the back gunner breaks my wings and engine within two bullets
solid hinge
so wait is TTK universal or does it vary between players
novel mason
TTK Is basically a weapons DPS
dense bone
ttk is universal
viscid crater
:))
twilit pelican
Ttk is a plague
novel mason
So a TTK of 5.3 would generally be thought of 5.3 seconds. I can understand the confusion lol
solid hinge
i’ve always wondered why i’ve been able to get the drop on people and land shots but get killed so so so fast and easily
viscid crater
There'd have been no vocal complaints about TTK had they not changed anything. I don't understand Dice's logic tbh
twilit pelican
@viscid crater they assumed how people felt
strong shadow
put abrams in the game its a good idea
viscid crater
@twilit pelican And assuming always messes things up
dense bone
dice wants or thinks this is best, one way or another, at least they are putting out two modes seemingly for feedback
novel mason
From what I understand their logic is that people are leaving the game because they die too fast, and this is their attempt at fixing it
twilit pelican
Instead of listening to how people that cared enough to voice their opinions felt they catered to the majority of casuals
viscid crater
Only conquest has a "core" variant.
dense bone
and people are more likely to complain than anything else
amber notch
i just got 40k cc
twilit pelican
People leaving the game to go play blops4
amber notch
WTF
dense bone
so thats not best to listen to them
viscid crater
People won't play a gamemode they don't like just because of the "core"
dense bone
you need multiple sources to make the best decision, like normal
conquest takes up like 70% of the playerbase
viscid crater
You can't even select it as a gamemode in the server browser. You have to search "core"
Got a source on that?
novel mason
Backlogged CC got rewarded w/ the TTK change
twilit pelican
Their decision based on the data was skewed they assumed people quit playing bc they die too much
It says that in their statement
Its not hard to put together
viscid crater
Maybe people quit because there aren't enough maps
viscid crater
Which also didn't have enough maps
midnight nimbus
tbh I thought BF4/BFV TTK was a already great balance between slow enough to be skillful and fast enough to be crisp
dense bone
at launch for these huge maps? seems fair to me
other games put out maybe 15 but they are usually small
midnight nimbus
if you hit all consecutive shots and don't miss, your TTK is similar to human reaction time
dense bone
maybe people leave for a shit ton of reasons
novel mason
Yep
drowsy basin
Hello all ✌️
amber notch
I didnt see anything on that
midnight nimbus
enemy can't react if you play perfectly
amber notch
jesus
viscid crater
Hey
novel mason
They never mentioned it
amber notch
I finished a game and checked my cc
and i had 45k
i was like
"well, not gonna report this"
twilit pelican
@solid hinge if you like vehicles
pulsar valve
It's the retroactive CC reward @amber notch
viscid crater
Haven't played it, it's only conquest. I prefer breakthrough this year @solid hinge
viscid crater
That's another thing. How can you add a new map and not have it support all modes??
twilit pelican
Breakthrough is very squad oriented
dense bone
because they chose to not make it support all modes, or they cant
wasnt designed for it
twilit pelican
@viscid crater in time
dense bone
maybe it comes later
twilit pelican
Thats how it was on bf1 frontlines maps
dense bone
i mean, its a tank heavy map
viscid crater
Seems like a smart move, let's restrict our new map to one gamemode, not like the other modes are played and are lacking content :/
novel mason
Too bad it won't be fixed before the timed event that relies on building something ends.
dense bone
i mean, its a map built around tanks, why would it come out in other modes that it doesnt make sense for?
and other modes are played, but not nearly as much as conquest
viscid crater
Source on that?
novel mason
I hope they do fix the TTD issues at some point. I can't even imagine how much better the game would feel.
They did for BF4 so I have some hope
thorn heart
dice: do the most controversial shit in a super short period of time to weed out the rest of the diehard fans of the series and replace them with cod run and gunners by christmas
dense bone
@viscid crater ill try looking for source later, but at the end of bf1 in server browser almost every server that had any respectable amount of people in it was conquest mode
search times are always lowest on conquest compared to any other mode as well
despite them needing less players for other modes
novel mason
I don't know which part of EA would do it, but I do wish we got player counts like steam does.
twilit pelican
@dense bone Frontlines has a bunch of empty servers and its sad
viscid crater
Breakthrough is massively populated this year
twilit pelican
Rush needs a strong comeback
dense bone
it will be for a while
but my conquest times are usually a minute, domination is usually around 5 minutes
twilit pelican
They better give us a map tailored to Rush as good as metro
novel mason
Did they end up fixing the bug w/ the bomb?
thorn current
still getting the infinite loading bug after a round
dense bone
well they are, just long waits
novel mason
What platform are you on Nyphon
midnight nimbus
chain link when
novel mason
Same. Never had an issue finding a breakthrough match in under a minute haha. Guess it depends on what we call long tho
dense bone
conquest is usually 1 min wait, any other game mode is 3-5 minutes, 5 minutes common
novel mason
Weird
thorn heart
breakthrough is good but a former shadow of itself
dense bone
my friend has same issue, hes in the mid east
novel mason
I play solo so that might be the difference
median raven
@thorn current it's been on the known issues since launch we just got to wait patiently
thorn current
@median raven yea, they did say a couple times it was supposed to be fixed
dense bone
have like 3 games with a full squad
customer support, if you cant play the game give them hell
median raven
They've said numerous things are supposed to be fixed but sadly that isn't the case
Contacting customer support won't do much for us unfortunately
dense bone
id give them hell, if i cant play the game im calling them all the time
but then they might just refund you and then you have to weigh your options
strong shadow
upvote that!
median raven
I'll probably put a ticket in when I get some downtime later tonight saying that @dense bone
You guys think next content release will include just one map or several?
opaque hinge
pulsar valve
Stop spamming
maiden steppe
lol it's gonna be fun using my Lewis Gun like I did in BF1
solid hinge
Yep
maiden steppe
7 btk maximum
lucid kestrel
so... how's the update?
solid hinge
Shit
maiden steppe
i imagine terrible