battlefield-legacy-titles

[dense bone]

xD

[median raven]

I use stag if I'm allies

[dense bone]

thats hilarious

[midnight nimbus]

well yeah, it has a hard recoil pattern

[solid hinge]

the suomi is designed for melee combat

[midnight nimbus]

just learn it

[viscid crater]

BF4 is just a shit BF3. So much delusion around that game.

[solid hinge]

you aren't supposed to actually shoot people with it

[viscid crater]

Let's go back to BF3 Instead

[tropic nest]

Absolutely love bf4

[solid hinge]

its a melee weapon with bullets in

[tropic nest]

Rush 64 players is incredible

[midnight nimbus]

weapons are balanced assuming perfect recoil control

to use a weapon to its max, learn the recoil

and miss less

[dense bone]

i know what suomis purpose is, im just arguing @midnight nimbus statement that all smgs are more accurate than any smg in every other bf game

[viscid crater]

BF3 had better maps and guns

Easily better

[midnight nimbus]

0.2 base spread on BFV SMGs

literally on par with BF4 ARs

0.06 with upgrade

[solid hinge]

oh

Is the ttk update live?

[dense bone]

but spread base isnt the only number that matters

[midnight nimbus]

spread increase is really low too

lowest in the series

[solid hinge]

Mh.... I feel like every time they bring a patch the game just get worst

[midnight nimbus]

but people whined for less spread more recoil, so you have more accurate but harder to control guns

[solid hinge]

wtf

[dense bone]

and recoil pattern being first in the series probably doesnt matter huh?

[viscid crater]

That's better no?

[midnight nimbus]

not really

[solid hinge]

im still getting one tapped by pistols and shit

[dense bone]

...

thats classic

[midnight nimbus]

it's just something you need to learn

but doesn't impact performance

[solid hinge]

isn't this supposed to fix it

[viscid crater]

For kb+m ;)

[real dawn]

I think i jist inform you guys

BfV has been cracked by CPY

[viscid crater]

OK??

[glossy locust]

nothing was wrong with random spread on smgs when trying ot hit targets 200 yards away

basically what bf1 was

[viscid crater]

Let's not base anything on BF1

[glossy locust]

they took it out, so i guess it's more "skill-based" now

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 SMGs are really accurate if bursted right

really punishing if you don't

[glossy locust]

they were good in the engagement distances they were designed for

but everyone cried about it

[midnight nimbus]

or just use Ribey Factory, which is forgiving of bad bursts

[median raven]

Would a really high ping stop the 1 frame TTD issue?

[midnight nimbus]

prolly just aggravate it

[dense bone]

i didnt notice any gun in bf1 that was hard to control

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 guns were fine

[icy sluice]

On the bright side

[dense bone]

just standard pull down worked most with anything

[midnight nimbus]

people just whined about them

[icy sluice]

The update seems to reward level 50 players

I see several posts of players getting like 60k cc

[midnight nimbus]

recoil control isn't the end all be all, proper bursting is harder

[viscid crater]

BF1 was probably the weakest in the series tbh

[dense bone]

getting the kill is the end all be all

[glossy locust]

best would be a combination, spread was fine in bf1 and even skill-based but it didn't have hard to control recoil, bfV has harder recoil but no spread and lower TTK (until today)

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 has some really really well done guns and some really meh guns

BFV has spread, not enough

not enough to punish dumping in a lot of guns at least

or sloppy timing

[delicate panther]

so whats that with medics being useless i read everywhere? just got killed 10 times by medics

[dense bone]

almost all the bf1 guns felt the same other than rof and vert recoil

[plush flume]

So what guns were most affected by the new TTK

[glossy locust]

so like bf4?

[midnight nimbus]

^

[limber mauve]

TTK si soooooooo ugly hahahaha

[glossy locust]

bf4 had like 100 guns that felt the exact same and yet is praised by the playerbase

[midnight nimbus]

almost all BF4 guns feel the same

[dense bone]

@midnight nimbus whats your in game name?

[midnight nimbus]

kinda boring

[glossy locust]

this playerbase wants a hardcore game and simultaneously praises casual gunplay like bf4

it's a joke

[remote ledge]

Dice fix company coins?

[icy sluice]

@plush flume
Here's a chart of the new TTK, the old TTK is in red
https://us.v-cdn.net/6028111/uploads/editor/jt/7x5srkd53rjl.png

[vale wigeon]

lmao gg devs

[plush flume]

Cheers lad

[midnight nimbus]

@dense bone xXxHarambe69xXx for BF1

[vale wigeon]

4 shot semi rifle good joke

9 shot smg kill? pfft

[frigid mauve]

is the new TTK live?

[topaz dome]

think my cc stayed the same

[icy sluice]

Yes

[midnight nimbus]

mostly played BFV on my friends account

can't be bothered to spend $60 of my own money to buy an unfinished game

[delicate panther]

there we go again XD

[midnight nimbus]

but I put in some hours

[median raven]

Looooool my bro got 138~ hours at rank 50 and was retroactively awarded 7.2k CC

[midnight nimbus]

1907 is still good in new TTK

[remote ledge]

everyone already get all retroactively CC?

[midnight nimbus]

pretty low hrec for what it is

[delicate panther]

what about stg44

[midnight nimbus]

StG is k

SG 1-5 is nuked

[delicate panther]

i almost have stg44 full gold now

[median raven]

EVERY update so far has been problematic

[plush flume]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

with ARs you hit >1s TTK pretty fast

[dense bone]

whats been the problems?

[plush flume]

Just bugs

[midnight nimbus]

in new TTK

[dense bone]

i personally have had no problems since beta

[plush flume]

I don’t have the biggest problem with the new TTK

[long flame]

why the fucc they change TTK

[median raven]

Really?

[long flame]

ridiculous

[dense bone]

a couple of stutters every hour

[topaz dome]

well you could get it for 30% off on origin , not srure if it is still discounted on amazon, best buy, target

[midnight nimbus]

visibility is the big deal breaker for me

[plush flume]

Like I can live with it but obviously I’d want the original back

[glossy locust]

BF1 had the bet gunplay in the series, plagued by probalby the worst maps in the series

[midnight nimbus]

not impossible to see people, but way too tiring

[long flame]

BF1 gunplay was not great

[median raven]

Get gud eyesight

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 maps are better than BFV

[topaz dome]

galicia

[midnight nimbus]

@median raven I have 20/15 vision without glasses

[dense bone]

they have old ttk still available to play

[solid hinge]

Dice is delusional

[long flame]

yeah but

there was on point in changing it

[lapis hare]

yea old ttk in conquest

[glossy locust]

why was bf1 gunplay bad spread on smgs?

[median raven]

I have no vision without glasses and contacts

[lapis hare]

what about the people that really don't frequent conquest

[midnight nimbus]

it's just tiring looking constantly figuring out whether you're looking at a rock or a human being

[median raven]

But I was kidding I can relate to what you said

[midnight nimbus]

even guys like drunkzze and jjika think visibility suck

[glossy locust]

seriously why was bf1 gunplay bad?

[midnight nimbus]

and they have great vision

[median raven]

I find myself shooting objects a lot more this game because I've become accustomed to getting shot by these objects

[dense bone]

dice seems to think there is a reason to change it, at least they are leaving old up to seemingly get feedback

[plush flume]

I didn’t mind the BF1 gunplay

[midnight nimbus]

same with relaaa, except he just abuses bad visibility

[limber olive]

New TTC death for the medic, where to get the money back?

[glossy locust]

it was good, certainly world's better than bf4

[midnight nimbus]

he just flicks at thinks who he thinks might be people

[glossy locust]

bf4 the guns are like lazers

[median raven]

Would you agree that the launch of this has dented its reputation

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 gunplay is excellent for some guns

[dense bone]

no

dont agree

[steel fjord]

@glossy locust i don't think its bad. just had annoying stuff like supression from all weapons

[dense bone]

with @median raven

[median raven]

Why not

Interested to hear your opinion

[dense bone]

its one of the least problematic launches of bfs history

idk about bf1 honestly though

[glossy locust]

they royally fucked up by not having stalingrad and d-day in the base fucking launch

[dense bone]

but everything else was a buggy mess

[median raven]

An AAA game 50% off in its first month?

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 launch was excellent

[median raven]

Reviews are all time low

[dense bone]

doesnt mean the launch is bad

[median raven]

Player base dwindling

[glossy locust]

nobody wants a ww2 game iwthout d-day

[midnight nimbus]

BFV launch is only slightly less awful than BF4

[glossy locust]

what were they thinking

[dense bone]

the game itself is fine

[median raven]

You gotta agree with figures though

Figures don't lie

[dense bone]

depends what you are asking

[midnight nimbus]

TTD is just as game breaking as BF4 launch networking

[dense bone]

gameplay?

[plush flume]

Unless you make them up

[dense bone]

bugs?

[plush flume]

And don’t show proof

[dense bone]

bfv is good

sales?

[midnight nimbus]

crazy buggy mess

[dense bone]

no info

[solid hinge]

if D-Day and Stalingrad were in at launch everybody would then complain that they are just rehashing stuff, that D-Day is boring, has been done to death and shit

[midnight nimbus]

BFV is a huge resource hog for what it is too

garbage UI

[solid hinge]

no winning here

[glossy locust]

bfv is a good game, I don't agree the spread changes are an improvment but the teamplay and gunplay are satisfying

[midnight nimbus]

smooth brain Nathalie putting white text on white backgrounds gg

[glossy locust]

TTK change will make the skill gap much bigger

[median raven]

Bfv isn't a good game in this state though

[glossy locust]

good players will dominate

[plush flume]

I can agree with the first two things you said to very big extent @median raven but dwindling player base? Yeah big doubt

[midnight nimbus]

the only very good thing I can say about the game is movement

[dense bone]

yes it is...

way better than most bf games at this point without a doubt

[glossy locust]

with this ttk game players with better aim and reaction times will dominate the shitty players

[steel fjord]

i think people run a bit too fast

[median raven]

The concepts are great but they haven't been executed to a standard I'm happy with parting 60-90 bucks for

[glossy locust]

even more so

[dense bone]

doesnt mean its a bad launch

[median raven]

Lol the launch was and is still bad

[midnight nimbus]

uhhhh visibility, bugs, TTD, UI, broken unlocks at launch

[median raven]

I don't care if you want to compare the launch with other bf games

[dense bone]

...

you have to compare

[midnight nimbus]

people literally couldn't unlock guns at launch

[plush flume]

Really?

I didn’t have a problem

[dense bone]

@midnight nimbus never had any problem on my end

[solid hinge]

Every update I think has made it go 10 steps forward and 20 steps back

[median raven]

Having to close the application every 10-15 minutes gives a bad player experience

[solid hinge]

Especially this latest one

[steel fjord]

same. never had any issues with unlocks and stuff

[midnight nimbus]

as far as modern BF games' launches go
BF1 > BFV > BF4 > BF3

[willow cave]

there was a level 20 weapon unlock problem at launch + the ongoing CC issue

[median raven]

The launch was bad and figures show that

[dense bone]

a couple of fps drops every hour or 2, thats my worst

[median raven]

If the launch was good figures would show that too

[dense bone]

no it doesnt

[plush flume]

What figures

[dense bone]

that logic doesnt work with games

and like meatballs said

what figures?

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 launch's issues were pretty much just weapon balance

[glossy locust]

like it or not the teaser trailer killed this game on arrival man

[dense bone]

pubg was 20 times worse than bfv when it went big

[glossy locust]

and the political controversy

it really hurts sales

[plush flume]

Not really

[midnight nimbus]

PUBG has better management

[glossy locust]

how so?

[plush flume]

Because they was people telling bullshit

[dense bone]

state of the game =/= numbers

[glossy locust]

bf1 had the most liked trailer ever and sol the est

[midnight nimbus]

DICE EA management is like

unbelievable

[plush flume]

If it was dead on arrival no one would be playing it

[dense bone]

dice and ea had a couple of voices say stupid things

[delicate violet]

At work, can some of y'all give me your first impressions of the new TTK values?

[plush flume]

It’s eh

[glossy locust]

if you think something as petty as a trailer is not enough to sway a fanbase you are overestimating how fickle they are

[midnight nimbus]

tfw even the BFV querying API is broken on launch so we can't figure out how many people play

[median raven]

Letmegooglethatforyou

[plush flume]

I personally can live with it

[dense bone]

when did it go live?

[median raven]

What would the reason be for an aaa game to go up for 50% off

[glossy locust]

battlefront 2 sold way way less than projected

[dense bone]

i played 2 hours ago

[glossy locust]

and why do you think that is

controversy

hurts

[delicate violet]

as far as i can tell it looks like 1 more bullet to kill at any range

[glossy locust]

sales

[solid hinge]

watching neo-nazi youtubers like Griffin Gaming, AlphaOmegaSin, American Krogan and TheQuaterning get triggered by BFV is pretty amusing tho

[dense bone]

@median raven you seemed fixed that the 50% sale means everything about the game is bad?

[glossy locust]

lol the quartering a neo-nazi

what is your definition of that

[median raven]

Not completely but gives a good indication

[midnight nimbus]

@delicate violet doesn't factor in how spread and recoil are tuned for original damage values

[median raven]

EA are greedy

[midnight nimbus]

so it's gonna be a lot longer in practice

[delicate violet]

blegh, gonna have to try it out for myself

[solid hinge]

whining 24/7 about cultural marxism and sjws runing my vidya qualifies imo

[plush flume]

So your point for less players is a 50% off? Like idk maybe it’s that time of year when sales come about

[glossy locust]

neo-nazi is thrown around so much it seems anyone with a slightly conservative viewpoint is considered one

[dense bone]

theres no way to reason with you, so dont ask me for my opinion

[plush flume]

They was for BF1 players and BF4 ones

Well obviously EA are greedy

They’re a shit company

[median raven]

Don't get agitated Nyphon it's a healthy discussion

[glossy locust]

people wanted a gritty ww2 game and DICE delivered anything but, this is seperate from gameplay

[dense bone]

sales are expecting to be half of bf1, thats still millions of sales, the state of the game is good, some weird decisions, but thats the worst of it, game probably lost most sales from rdr2 a month ago, and more sales from controversy

i give you reasons left and right

[glossy locust]

people wanted it to look and feel like an old school ww2 game and it doesn't

[median raven]

State of the game is good?

[dense bone]

and you just go back to 50% off, sales suck

[solid hinge]

is there actualy a non-shit AAA game company though? Activision Blizz, Take2, Ubi, EA and Bethesda are all shit one way or the other

[median raven]

How can one possibly say state of the game is good? It's riddled with bugs

[plush flume]

^

[main grove]

Welp

[solid hinge]

Take2 is already making ground for RDR Online to be a full-on cashgrab

[glossy locust]

the game might be the best it's ever been

[merry ivy]

yes, the only good company is the one that made the witcher 3, ea bad, praise geraldo

[plush flume]

I can still have a fun time despite the bugs

[dense bone]

well personally i have had no bugs excpect for 1 very minor bug that rarely happens

[median raven]

I'm still experiencing the same shit that was happening at launch

[glossy locust]

like what was better in older battlefields

[main grove]

The BFV subreddit is shitting itself now

[plush flume]

I play on PS4 and come across them now and then but not to the extent of day PC

[dense bone]

so my opinion is obviously going to be skewed to postive, and yours to very negative

[fathom pebble]

btw those who are level 50 for some time check your Company coins seems like someone people got compensation for not getting theirs

[merry ivy]

I only had a single bug and it was pretty minor?

I don’t know what people are doing to their game files

[steel fjord]

cd project red is said to be going to shit as well. need to see how it goes

[median raven]

Correct Nyphon

[dense bone]

so truth is in middle, and thats pretty neutral to slightly negative?

[merry ivy]

no, cd project red can do no wrong and ea is bad, witcher 3 is best game in the universe

[solid hinge]

CDPR and Rockstar do force their workers to work 100-hour weeks with no free weekends, it was confirmed

[little zenith]

finally won

ticket count left was 1-0

[plush flume]

Praise GERALT

Oh man

[median raven]

We're talking about individual experiences

[solid hinge]

GAMERS RISE UP PRAIISE GERALDO

[merry ivy]

we live in a society

praise geraldo

[fathom pebble]

[dense bone]

not to mention people are more likely to complain than praise when shit works, so theres probably WAY more people with no bad experiences than those that do have problems

[plush flume]

Fuck sake this is going to be on r/gamingcirclejerk by morning isn’t it aha

[glossy locust]

lol so you frequent gamerscirclejerk one of the most left-wing places on reddit (even though they are right)

[solid hinge]

the only real issue I have with BFV now is that my chat refuses to work for some reason

[dense bone]

the game itself is fine, like i said, we dont know anything else

[steel fjord]

i guess when you grow this much and take investment, you kinda screw yourself

[glossy locust]

gamingcircljerk is one of the most left-wing places on the internet

[median raven]

Whatever your argument their is still a high number of players experiencing bugs

[solid hinge]

still better than the alt-right shithole known as KotakuInAction tho

[dense bone]

we can just assume from the sale and the reports that are not verified

[median raven]

Bugs which were occurring at launch

[plush flume]

Who cares I’m not left wing I’m more right

[dense bone]

WE HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT

[plush flume]

And I love that place

[glossy locust]

it's funny i said so

[dense bone]

where is this source that says that?

[glossy locust]

people suck CDPRs off

[fathom pebble]

non related discussions in #general

[plush flume]

They make fun of fucking idiot gamers who take stuff too far

[main grove]

r/gaming circlejerk openly opposes hatred of microtransactions and the like

[cloud garden]

the new ttk sucs

[dense bone]

anyone got numbers on the ratio of people experiencing bugs vs not?

[merry ivy]

EA bad, BFV bad, BF4 best game ever made

[main grove]

That's seems pro capitalist to me if anything

[glossy locust]

to state that the controversy and politics surrounding this game didn't hurt sales is foolish and short-sighted

[fathom pebble]

[main grove]

What on earth is conquest core?

[dense bone]

@glossy locust who said that?

[solid hinge]

I mean calling people uneducated was a really smart idea and then telling them to not buy the game

Patrick Söderlund

[merry ivy]

yeah that was stupid

[plush flume]

@main grove conquest with the old TTK

[merry ivy]

he left though

[steel fjord]

its a playlist thats lets you play with the old TTK damage model

[serene patrol]

new ttk is great YOLO

[median raven]

Unless you work for dice or EA we're not gonna get exact figures

[glossy locust]

literally insulting the majority of your playerbase, most of which are males

[dense bone]

so its all speculation

[plush flume]

Yeah no what he said was dumb

[merry ivy]

wait they changed TTK?

[median raven]

But take a look at this discord, bf forums, Reddit

[dense bone]

like i said

[steel fjord]

for testing purposes

[plush flume]

But then people take that outta context and say it was the whole company that said that

[serene patrol]

see I told you guys BF1 ttk was bae

[midnight nimbus]

also the recent exodus of employees from DICE says a lot

[dense bone]

like i said again, people are more likely to complain than praise

[main grove]

Wait so now they're doing a sort of reverse CTE?

[midnight nimbus]

no

[median raven]

People are likely to complain when their is a problem to complain about

[main grove]

Where you can test prior versions of stuff

[midnight nimbus]

it's just a server setting

[dense bone]

yes

[solid hinge]

Granted I don’t quote a guy who left the company for his actions

[steel fjord]

@main grove i guess so

[dense bone]

and less likely to praise when shit just works

[median raven]

So for people to complain

We have problems

[dense bone]

so going to reddit and looking for people complaining isnt a way to gauge ANYTHING

[main grove]

Is the new TTK honestly that bad

[median raven]

No but it shows that the problems are common

[glossy locust]

reddit is an echo chamber, they say no one asked for TTK and they are so wrong

it's a tiny blip of the bf fanbase

[dense bone]

all it shows is that there are problems

youre not taking numbers

youre not using data

[topaz elbow]

[steel fjord]

people say yes, people say its fine, people say its great, people say fuck EA. idk, need to get home and check it out

[dense bone]

just that you see complaints and apply that means there are lots of problems for lots of people

[fathom pebble]

[median raven]

You know just as well as everyone in this discord that people have been experiencing bugs since launch

[midnight nimbus]

> implying that new TTK was a data driven decision

[dense bone]

i know there are

[glossy locust]

reddit seems to think they speak for the entire subject on any issue

[dense bone]

but that doesnt mean anything

other than there are bugs

[cloud garden]

#newttkisnotthatgood

[dense bone]

i cant draw a number

[plush flume]

Oh you’re right about that Bryj

[dense bone]

cant say its a majority

bugs exist, people experience them, we have no idea about numbers or ratio

[median raven]

I don't need to start collecting data and statistics on the player base experiencing bugs vs player base not

[dense bone]

you do when you start stating ratios

you cant say majority (over 50%) experience something when you have no data to back it

[median raven]

Everybody knows that each update has caused problems for the masses and not just on an individual basis

[dense bone]

well, you can, you just look like a tool imo

not to mention most of the problems i have seen complained about are petty

"this assignment is bugged that gives me a random skin"

wow, horrible stuff right there

[median raven]

Wow

[viscid crater]

Still a bug tho

[median raven]

Great attitude

[dense bone]

i called it a bug

i know its a bug

but its meaningless

[median raven]

I'm glad your 60 bucks got you a game your happy with

[viscid crater]

Not something that should be overlooked, yes. Some should take priority but it is something that should be fixed

[dense bone]

if THATS what bothers you how sensitive are you?

@median raven i paid 30

[plush flume]

I paid 110 and I don’t regret it

[narrow mantle]

the TTD us still not fixed

[median raven]

Good for you thanks for letting us know

[fathom pebble]

Once again check your ingame company coins because you should have got company coins missing if you were level 50 for some time

[viscid crater]

Who cares what anyone paid????

[opaque hinge]

I'm gonna go check how rich I ak

Am

[dense bone]

youre just assuming stuff again without knowing, was just correcting you this time since i actually have numbers

[fathom pebble]

got around 20k cc

[plush flume]

Weird flex but okay

[opaque hinge]

[viscid crater]

@fathom pebble I don't think I got anything xD

Not that I'm that bothered lol

[median raven]

By the way that's only one of the bugs Nyphon

[dense bone]

yes there are more bugs than that

[median raven]

What about the more inconvenient ones

[dense bone]

but LIKE I SAID, they are mostly petty shit along that line

ive only seen a few bugs i actually thought were problematic

[solid hinge]

thats not petty

[dense bone]

and told those people it was bs

[glossy locust]

like it or not, the game will get a huge explosion of players for BR

[dense bone]

complain to dice

[viscid crater]

What gamebreaking bugs are there?

[solid hinge]

timed assignments are big

[viscid crater]

Honestly?

[median raven]

Not being able to spawn, ToW progression, long ass loading screens to name a few are a lot more inconvenient and I wouldn't call petty

[solid hinge]

complaining does nothing

[glossy locust]

how good the BR mode will determine how successful the game is

[median raven]

ToW is a limited time event

[dense bone]

progression and loading screens are not major either

[solid hinge]

yesterday I had 6 black screens out of 9 games

[median raven]

So of course people are gonna flap when they can't complete an assignment are they not

[dense bone]

you can still play the game fine

[viscid crater]

Haven't came across the not being able to spawn. What situations does that come up in?

[solid hinge]

that wasn't playing the game fine

[dense bone]

spawning bug is bs

[plush flume]

@glossy locust somewhat debatable but I see your point

[median raven]

You can play the game fine once you get passed the infinite loading screen? Great logic

[dense bone]

see now youre just being dramatic

[median raven]

Spawning bug is not bs check the known issues list

[viscid crater]

What infinite loading screen? Console?

[glossy locust]

high twitch viewer count is how you sell skins

[dense bone]

im saying bs as in it is bullshit that it happens

[glossy locust]

100%

[median raven]

Console yes

[dense bone]

and an actual problem

LOL console

sorry, but you expect good load times on console?

[plush flume]

I’ve had the infinite loading like two times

[glossy locust]

conquest mode for whatever reason does not have a lot of viewers

[plush flume]

And I’m on console

[dense bone]

how many games have good load times on console?

[solid hinge]

not with this piece of ass engine

[viscid crater]

I don't play console. I'm just wondering what this infinite loading bug is. I haven't had it.

[solid hinge]

a lot?

[glossy locust]

bf needs BR or competitive mode to bring vieweres

[dense bone]

piece of ass engine that puts 97% of other engines to shame...

[cloud garden]

pls i want the old ttk

[midnight nimbus]

64p BR 😂😂😂

[median raven]

Source?

[solid hinge]

yeah with how many bugs it has

[midnight nimbus]

snow blindness map

circle of fire

[solid hinge]

no one else can compare

[midnight nimbus]

gg

[dense bone]

bugs doesnt have to do with engine

[viscid crater]

WHAT?

[dense bone]

thats normal launch bugs problems

[median raven]

If the game isn't optimised for console why is it released on console

[plush flume]

@viscid crater basically the loading screen for the map won’t load

[glossy locust]

multiplayer games need high twitch counts to sustain their skin economy in 2018

[dense bone]

because fools buy it

[glossy locust]

investers no that

[solid hinge]

tell that to battlefront 2

[glossy locust]

and DICE knows it too

[median raven]

Hahaha great response

[solid hinge]

It's as buggy as it was a year after release

[dense bone]

if it was such a problem, why do people buy it?

[viscid crater]

@plush flume Is it on console? I haven't had it on pc and I play a lot lol

[solid hinge]

They reduced the load times though

[plush flume]

I think it might be

[heavy zealot]

Well in the end its best bugs get fixed

[median raven]

Because these problems weren't in beta (well not all of them)

[cloud garden]

it feels like every one ignores me

[dense bone]

3 week after launch, game function, most bugs are minor, and we still have people salty

[viscid crater]

@cloud garden hi

[glossy locust]

I have it on PC and loading time is least of the games issue

[dense bone]

BECAUSE THE WHOLE GAME WASNT IN BETA

[heavy zealot]

No system is perfect lads. And its anoying, but it can happen.

[dense bone]

how does that not click with you?

[viscid crater]

Hostile much

[solid hinge]

It's not that it can happen

It's that it does happen

every update

without fail

[median raven]

No but people play a beta to help guage their decision to buy or not

[heavy zealot]

As long as they fix it in a reasonable time its alright. Rome wasnt build in a day.

[viscid crater]

@median raven that's not what a beta is for lol

[plush flume]

Yes it was

[median raven]

You asked why people bought the game?

[heavy zealot]

Every game has its bugs, often only found out by players themself

[solid hinge]

They didn't open rome with bits of it falling off

[heavy zealot]

In late stadia

[dense bone]

you brought up beta for bugs

[viscid crater]

It's usually used by AAA studios for stress testing servers

[solid hinge]

didn't they already delay the release of this game anyway

[heavy zealot]

I think they did

[dense bone]

you dont even know what beta is for

[viscid crater]

Who?

[median raven]

Lol so a consumer is going to download a beta to help the dev

[solid hinge]

so many bugs they had to delay the release and it's still bugged out

swoosh

[heavy zealot]

Its not easy to create a game, with these graphics, levelution and make it run on a decent pc, without errors

[solid hinge]

then stop amping the graphics up beyond what it can handle

thats basic

[median raven]

A consumer is going to download a beta to get hands on and try for themselves in most cases I imagine they couldn't give a fuck about the dev tests

[heavy zealot]

Delaying a release aint so easy as it looks, often strategic and marketingwise these dates are made

[cloud garden]

do you guys like the new ttk?

[tropic nest]

I love it

[dense bone]

i gotta stop replying to all the salty people that bugs in a game are causes for their discomfort...

[solid hinge]

I haven't noticed any differences

[plush flume]

It’s eeh

I can live with it

[viscid crater]

@median raven Beta's are usually released to people who are getting the game already. Pre-order exclusive etc, a large number of these people know when something is wrong and it gets fixed

[plush flume]

Though it’s not great

[austere path]

https://twitter.com/BattleNonSense/status/1072738484929085441

[tropic nest]

It’s gonna help populate bf4 servers again @cloud garden

[solid hinge]

The bugs in this are minor compared to battlefront 2 i just like complaining

[dense bone]

thanks for being honest ayla

[tropic nest]

Betas are used for gameplay fixes and tweaks

[cloud garden]

it feels like im using a nerf gun

[heavy zealot]

If you ever played H1Z1 Kotk you know what real bugs are😂

[tropic nest]

Think about the halo 3 beta

[solid hinge]

I'd consider the bugs major compared to most other games though

[tropic nest]

Anyone remember the halo 3 beta

[median raven]

Thank you

[dense bone]

as long as it doesnt stop gameplay, or make it unenjoyable, i could care less

they are minor annoyances

[median raven]

The game has bugs that are affecting player experience

[dense bone]

and im concerned people think of them as more

[heavy zealot]

Amen nyphon

[viscid crater]

That's a large problem with this community tho, they bitch for the sake of it. If you were actually constructive you could end up with a much better game but instead you'd rather act like clowns

[solid hinge]

it's irritating that it shoves assignments in my face and doesn't track them correctly

[median raven]

That's why any social media related to bfv are full of reports of shit that isn't working

[solid hinge]

or breaks them

[median raven]

I understand a game of this scale will have bugs

[tropic nest]

Blame it on ea for starting this shit with the community

[green kernel]

Handclap for the idiots at EA comgrats

[median raven]

But they have been consistent

Execution has been terrible

[plush flume]

@tropic nest it was one fucking person

[tropic nest]

Calling your fans alt right and naxis for wanting historical accuracy

[cloud garden]

im fuking using a nerf gun

[tropic nest]

Cry me a river dice

That’s not true at all @plush flume

[dense bone]

yea i hate that people are using what a couple of people said for ALL of them

[heavy zealot]

It's annoying, and EA is probebly fixing it. But you should know that there isnt something like infinite time and money. They have to prioritise, next to this some bugs look easier to fix than they should. Game just got released, its best to have patience

[viscid crater]

Gaming communities have gone to shit in recent times, people just look for excuses to be "memekids" since they think it's cool.

[steel fjord]

why would you expect historic accuracy on a battlefield game? specially battlefield 5?

[dense bone]

if an admin here said coke is dumb, doesnt mean we all think or agree with that

but thats how we are treaking this scenario

[solid hinge]

its ok guys i got shot in the face by an smg but im just gonna wrap these bandages on and feel right as rain again

[azure vault]

cocaine is fantastic

[tropic nest]

During the launch party they had their main logo making fun of white battlefield fans.

[viscid crater]

For example the conversation here has just been going in circles since I first looked at it TWO HOURS ago

[heavy zealot]

Ayla thats how the game works..

[novel mason]

Every time I open my phone and come here, the server is on fire lmao

[green kernel]

Still jumping over a wall and losing half my health.

[solid hinge]

never understood the historical accuracy stuff

[cloud garden]

dice pls im using a nerf gun like wtf

[heavy zealot]

XD this server is om fireeeee

[plush flume]

@viscid crater they were making fun of the trolls like you

[vale wigeon]

What are people complaining about rn?

[icy sluice]

It doesn't feel too big of a difference

[green kernel]

Fucking idots

[plush flume]

Oh wait no

[viscid crater]

@plush flume what?

[plush flume]

Wrong perosn

[viscid crater]

lol

[plush flume]

No no

[heavy zealot]

Just go back to bf4 lads, its the best

[vale wigeon]

The only legit thing that y’all should be making noise about right now is the TTK change

[viscid crater]

Its good lol

[solid hinge]

this certainly is a lot more hostile than the battlefront server

[plush flume]

I meant kingdownie

[viscid crater]

fuck off with BF4 it's a shit BF3

[icy sluice]

I'm using the Tommy and it feels the same really

[azure vault]

im using the drilling and it feels the same

lol

[viscid crater]

loll

[icy sluice]

They didn't change shotguns

[azure vault]

i know

idiot

[viscid crater]

wooosh

lol

[icy sluice]

Ok

[viscid crater]

no need for the "idiot" mate

[cloud garden]

fking nerfgunfield5

[opaque hinge]

oof

[tropic nest]

“We stand up for the cause, because I think those people who don’t understand it, well, you have two choices: either accept it or don’t buy the game. I’m fine with either or. It’s just not OK.”

[opaque hinge]

so much salt in this chat

🍿

[azure vault]

thank you, i will take your comment under advisement

[tropic nest]

Know you’re playing and buying propaganda

[plush flume]

Shut up

[solid hinge]

ive joined 5 games in a row that have all finished within 30 seconds of me joining

[dense bone]

i mean, just about everything got nerfed, so people complaining about their gun feeling weak, its everyone...

[vale wigeon]

Not really

[heavy zealot]

Josh u hurt my feelings

[solid hinge]

this is starting to get annoying

[opaque hinge]

cept snipers

[vale wigeon]

Propaganda is from a government

[opaque hinge]

snipers op

reeee

[viscid crater]

Why do people always spew such horseshit honestly

[dense bone]

snipers were weak

[opaque hinge]

scuse me

[dense bone]

so this should help them

[solid hinge]

i need to play on hamada and aerodome damn it

[opaque hinge]

no

no

[azure vault]

the game is so much better if you turn chat off and dont join the discord

[opaque hinge]

nothing to help snipers pls

thx

[tropic nest]

Do snipers still have the glowing thingy in BfV

[dense bone]

ive not come across any sniper in any game that has gave me concern

[opaque hinge]

they just annoy the fuck out of me

[vale wigeon]

Scope glint is still a thing yeah

[opaque hinge]

😄

[viscid crater]

99% of you are entitled little shits, who use actual issues to sound important. Back to the hole you came from trolls.

[dense bone]

i really dont even notice them

[solid hinge]

you dont have to be afraid of a sniper when your head is empty

[opaque hinge]

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

but head empty

[vale wigeon]

@viscid crater who u talking to lmao

[tropic nest]

@solid hinge

[viscid crater]

the "memekids"

[marble phoenix]

is there a bolt action rifle or semi auto in recon class?

i want the spawn beacon

[viscid crater]

they know who they are lol

[tropic nest]

He thinks he’s woke and cool

[dense bone]

cant point at head when empty

[marble phoenix]

but i gotta be in the fight

[azure vault]

im an entitled shit but im also retired at 31 so wtf am i gonna do

[solid hinge]

they're all bolt action or semi auto

[opaque hinge]

Heh

Wtf

[viscid crater]

@azure vault OK

[opaque hinge]

Retired at 31

[viscid crater]

LOOOOOOL

[opaque hinge]

Did u win the lottery or something

[solid hinge]

im a useless neet at 20

does that count as retired

[opaque hinge]

Yeet

[novel mason]

"I need to hide the fact I'm complaining about literally no one, who should I blame!?"

[viscid crater]

Retired at 31 and decides to sit on the Battlefield discord

[marble phoenix]

damn thats beyond a early retirement

[viscid crater]

oosh

[plush flume]

I’m 65 years old and my wife left me

[opaque hinge]

[dense bone]

wow

that took a turn

[azure vault]

for what its worth, im sitting on my deck

[plush flume]

She took the fucking kids to

[tropic nest]

That sounds like a great retirement @viscid crater

[heavy zealot]

Lads lets calm down, we all have our prioritities and opinions. No need to mimimi about it

[solid hinge]

you still got her number?

[opaque hinge]

Why are u retired so early

[azure vault]

sold my company

[heavy zealot]

You all have a point in some way

[tropic nest]

Maybe he meant retarded

31 and retarded

[opaque hinge]

What company

[azure vault]

mine

[opaque hinge]

Hi snuggleflake

[dense bone]

fuck yea hes back to snuggleflake

[solid hinge]

she's out of town you wouldnt know her

[viscid crater]

@tropic nest if you can afford to retire at that age, the last thing you should be doing is sitting on this sub xD

[opaque hinge]

Yeah we got him to change it yesterday

Yes it is

This is all battlefield related

[solid hinge]

6th game I've joined that's going to end in 20 seconds

[tropic nest]

Discussing TTK

[heavy zealot]

It kinda got outta hend @oblique parcel

[opaque hinge]

Yes

[solid hinge]

wtf is this

[opaque hinge]

Retire from battlefield

[viscid crater]

^^

[solid hinge]

should i buy a lottery ticket

[opaque hinge]

And parental controls on battlefield

[tropic nest]

The next battlefield is gonna have child support

[opaque hinge]

Yes

[viscid crater]

Ouch

[opaque hinge]

[solid hinge]

give the children lmgs

[opaque hinge]

Oof

[solid hinge]

Thats an excellent idea

[opaque hinge]

Mod abuse

[azure vault]

@viscid crater since you've gotta work the next 40 years, ill ignore advice on how to spend my days ❤

[plush flume]

Child soldiers

[dense bone]

reee

[viscid crater]

Alright big man

[tropic nest]

Ohhhhh

[opaque hinge]

reeee

[azure vault]

ty bb

[viscid crater]

don't hit me with your wad of cash

[plush flume]

Boss you killed a child?

[opaque hinge]

O no

Gulay

I'm outta hereb

[tropic nest]

Who here loves katanas in BfV

[opaque hinge]

Every man for themselves

[solid hinge]

careful he'll think you're prejudiced against rich people

[tropic nest]

Let’s get back to katanas

[azure vault]

he is

its cute

i love him

[viscid crater]

You're gonna ban people for talking off-topic?

[plush flume]

I don’t think he’s baiting

[steel fjord]

go do your weird flexes on the #general channel

[opaque hinge]

[viscid crater]

You did a hammer?

[azure vault]

whats the hammer mean tho

[viscid crater]

"Ban-Hammer"

[opaque hinge]

It means gulag

[azure vault]

other than banhammer

mutehammer?

[opaque hinge]

Gulag hammer

[cloud garden]

first dice nerf planes hard then they make the ttk worse like why just stop

[solid hinge]

he's not gonna banhammer them he's just gonna beat their heads in

[plush flume]

It’s treason then

[steel fjord]

hammer talk? go to #general

[dense bone]

tf is a prision?

[azure vault]

thats appropriation of a cultural milieu

okay okay sorry

[opaque hinge]

Yes lord snuggleflake

[golden hatch]

Ok its official

New TTK is dogshit

[solid hinge]

im still getting onetapped

it hasn't changed anything

[golden hatch]

Because TTD wasnt fixed

Indeed

[opaque hinge]

Yup

They need to fix their fucking net code first

[golden hatch]

Ive defended the game up til now but this shit takes the cake

I only got like 6k

[opaque hinge]

Wtf

[dense bone]

"its dog shit"
"it didnt change anything"
"indeed"

[glad lily]

9 bullet kill smgs btw, 20 bullet mags btw

[golden hatch]

Even though ive been at rank 50 for at least 30 hours lol

[opaque hinge]

Shit I gotta go check mine

I've been rank 50 for like 70h

What the fuck

I swear to God

[solid hinge]

nothing changed

Good

[opaque hinge]

I'm gonna be so mad

[golden hatch]

@dense bone It didnt change anything in terms of the TTD issues

DICE probably thought increasing TTK would fix the TTD issue

[sinful steppe]

so is the ttk changed or not?

[golden hatch]

But it didnt

[plush flume]

I’ll keep defending the game but not with the TTK though I don’t think it’s the WORST. Though it is pretty eh

[golden hatch]

Yes it is and its awful

[serene patrol]

new ttk plays great with sten

[glad lily]

Wait CC retroactive rolled out???

[golden hatch]

Enjoy hitting people 17 times and doing 75 damage lmfao

[opaque hinge]

Same :/

But still

[icy sluice]

@glad lily I was given 9k cc

[opaque hinge]

I hit level 50 before game even officially released

[icy sluice]

Uh

[sinful steppe]

is there not a new playlist where you can play with thge old ttk?

[icy sluice]

Gimme a few secs

[opaque hinge]

There is

[tropic nest]

I have 30 min played with a trial

Deleted it ASAP after

[serene patrol]

new ttk is great

[tropic nest]

Bf4 is goat

[icy sluice]

85 hours

[opaque hinge]

Did u not use the katana

[solid hinge]

@tropic nest shitter shattered much

[glad lily]

@serene patrol

[icy sluice]

I have 85 hours

[opaque hinge]

feelsbadman

[golden hatch]

@oblique parcel pretty much the same here

I got 7k

[icy sluice]

9k cc is still good

[golden hatch]

been at rank 50 for ages

[sinful steppe]

should be some better/more serious players in the new playlist then, maybe thats the one positive ting about this

[tropic nest]

Not kidding my first map ever I played a German map where you paratroop in and looked left and saw a black dude wearing a beanie

[icy sluice]

TTK is alright, I don't feel too much of a difference

[solid hinge]

@tropic nest and

[tropic nest]

As a German

[plush flume]

But the allies don’t have beanies

[tropic nest]

I was a German soldier

[golden hatch]

nobody cares @tropic nest

[solid hinge]

German map?

[tropic nest]

In Nazi Germans

[serene patrol]

The new playlist will be dead and everyone knows it

[plush flume]

And there’s no black characters for the axis

HMMMMMMMMM

[tropic nest]

Germany*

[solid hinge]

What fucking map?

[golden hatch]

Still, nobody cares ninja

Go be a special snowflake somewhere else

[tropic nest]

Go look in the plane in Rotterdam if you don’t believe me

I’m just saying Jesus

[serene patrol]

people prefer the new ttk....I base this on nothing

[golden hatch]

We hear you

[plush flume]

Fuck off troll

[golden hatch]

Nobody cares tho

[main grove]

Company Coins still don't work

[opaque hinge]

Ree?

[charred heron]

Pics or gtfo

[sinful steppe]

@serene patrol seems like alot of people will be playing in there, judging by the response to the ttk change

[opaque hinge]

[solid hinge]

[severe wraith]

[main grove]

I about 4K retroactive but the menu still says 2000 earned in end of round but nothing is actually gained

[solid hinge]

Did they fix Server browser yet

[plush flume]

I can’t play because it’s 3:30 in the morning in Australia and hardly no ones playing

[tardy basin]

From what I've read on the new TTK values, sounds like some higher-up decided to flex their authority muscles because player numbers were dropping. (Bad players leaving cause low TTD, 1 frame deaths and super bullets)

Doesn't seem like something t1ggr or drunkkz3 would do, considering their past experiences with battlefield.

Sounds more like a desperate move to gain back players and I doubt regular devs would want to change it this drastically.

[serene patrol]

@sinful steppe We'll see. The internet tends to overreact to almost everything and do nothing about it

[green kernel]

38k and 320+ hours and now I'm fucking sad

[severe wraith]

Player numbers are low because of the pr of this game lmao

[opaque hinge]

What @tardy basin said

[severe wraith]

And the fact that they released an alpha game

[solid hinge]

38k

[green kernel]

In game

[opaque hinge]

That's literally what happened

[tropic nest]

Turns out calling your fans nazis leads to poor sales

Who woulda thought?

[opaque hinge]

U can see that by how they wrote the post

[green kernel]

Literally just makes me want to uninstall

[opaque hinge]

And wait

[golden hatch]

Please ban this boring troll kingninja

[opaque hinge]

320h in game

[tropic nest]

Do it and go to bf4 please

[opaque hinge]

Or origin time

[tropic nest]

We need more bf4 players

[solid hinge]

38k

[opaque hinge]

Like when u go to stats

[tropic nest]

Servers all dead 😦

[opaque hinge]

Holy fuck

Wow

[plush flume]

there’s two doc Phil’s in here?

POG CHAMP

[opaque hinge]

U get an F sir

[solid hinge]

BF4 aka 24/7 Siege of Shangahi and Golmud Simulator

@tropic nest its how old

[severe wraith]

Turns out releasing an alpha game makes people not want to play it

[opaque hinge]

I AM THE ONLY DR PHIL

Oh God dammit gabe

Gtfo

[tropic nest]

@solid hinge they got rid of metro 64 player 😦

[opaque hinge]

Trying to steal my name

[tropic nest]

Bring back metro 64 player reeeeeee

[solid hinge]

metro

[severe wraith]

@oblique parcel he just released my name to the general public

Pls ban him

[solid hinge]

Oh look

[plush flume]

Metro 1944

[serene patrol]

>

[opaque hinge]

Ew no

[midnight nimbus]

RSP in BF4 🤮

[tardy basin]

Low player numbers from the start and a dropping playerbase is not a good thing for a gaming company. Trying to get back the players they lost by alienating the rest is a recipe for disaster

[opaque hinge]

Yup

But that what the suits want

[plush flume]

True

[opaque hinge]

Devs dont get a say

[serene patrol]

who needs custom servers when we could have a dead game instead

[glad lily]

Origin shows one amount of horse, in game shows different, bf5 tracker shows something else. Which one do we base the math on?

[opaque hinge]

Old men in suits make the decisions

[severe wraith]

Old white men

[solid hinge]

[opaque hinge]

True dat

[plush flume]

Kappa as CEO of Kappa Co.

[opaque hinge]

Gotta get some diversity

[solid hinge]

Ok so what changed about.....the ttk for real

[dense bone]

@tardy basin wouldnt a company not care about players leaving if they already made the sale off of them? especially if they dont have dlc coming...

[glad lily]

@oblique parcelye

[opaque hinge]

Well cause then dead servers

Also future sales

Lose a customer now lose em for life

Gotta think about future sustainability

[dense bone]

but that deed is already done...

[green kernel]

Yeah bf tracker is down

[opaque hinge]

Still many more sales to be made over next 2 years for patient gamers and then the next bf release

[severe wraith]

Issue is they just cut the small community in half

[glad lily]

Yeah that one, dowit's down, but I was checking earlier. Maybe it's slow to catch up

[opaque hinge]

And well tell that to the suits

[severe wraith]

By doing the ttk split

[opaque hinge]

They gotta justify their jobs somehow

[plush flume]

Suits is a pretty alright show

[dense bone]

and i dout this is permanent

[severe wraith]

Yeah but that should never have happened in the first place

[opaque hinge]

Shareholders go reee and suits are like 🤷

[dense bone]

why?

i think its good they have both options out

[tardy basin]

Sales aren't everything
Considering BFV is going for a pay 4 cosmetics approach to fund DLC (I suspect). Losing players is not a good thing economically @dense bone

[opaque hinge]

Yeah exactly

[solid hinge]

Yea this cant be permanent

[plush flume]

Obviously

[solid hinge]

At all

[opaque hinge]

No it's not permanent

[dense bone]

but they dont have pay 4 cosmetics yet

[opaque hinge]

It's a way to mitigate it

[severe wraith]

How would losing players ever be a good thing lol

[dense bone]

so we cant use that as a point

[glad lily]

19th

[opaque hinge]

And cause if they had paid cosmetics in a broken game

We would all reee

[plush flume]

Would you say Battlefront 2 died for a bit? But now it’s better and such

[solid hinge]

Why happened to the player test server

[tardy basin]

Cause they haven't implemented all cosmetics yet

[severe wraith]

They're gonna release the paid cosmetics before they fix the game let's be honest

[tardy basin]

Nor the Boins

[opaque hinge]

Shut up phony

PHONY

[dense bone]

@oblique parcel i dont think people will straight up leave, some yes, but not much to be a cause for argument

[simple marlin]

Hello im back so ttk was introduced or not?

New*

[glad lily]

Ttk changes cater to casuals, casuals dont buy cosmetics as much. Dice logic

[plush flume]

Yes

It was

Added Quaiche

[dense bone]

ttk doesnt cater to casuals

[simple marlin]

Since the downtime?

[dense bone]

longer ttk is literally non casual

[tardy basin]

@opaque hinge calm down a little now, eh?

[plush flume]

Yeah

[dense bone]

short ttk is casual, just look at cod

[opaque hinge]

[severe wraith]

Noobs get mad when they die fast

[plush flume]

I don’t feel so much change but it’s there for sure

[golden hatch]

Long TTK definitely caters to casuals

[glad lily]

What Yagman said

[golden hatch]

Makes positioning irrelevant

[opaque hinge]

oof

[simple marlin]

Eh, i didn't notice much after playing 2roundd eealier

[golden hatch]

Thus morons can run and gun

[opaque hinge]

i am the real yagman

[plush flume]

Like I keep saying they’ll change it back if everyone makes a big enough tell

[dense bone]

look at cod, cod is fast ttk, cod is the most casual game out there

[plush flume]

Yell*

[opaque hinge]

well

[simple marlin]

Aim better then no issue

[opaque hinge]

bo4 ttk is like

high af

[dense bone]

granted i havent played bo4

[steel fjord]

@oblique parcel is that a packet loss icon on the right?

[opaque hinge]

they changed the ttk in bo4

[dense bone]

but low ttk is "who sees who dies first" thats about it

[indigo harness]

Can i do assignmetns in an empty server

[glad lily]

They cant fix ttd so they "fix" ttk

[indigo harness]

like build guns

[plush flume]

Yeah I’ve seen that post

[dense bone]

high ttk a better player caught out can still win with better aim

[plush flume]

Good post

[opaque hinge]

and that's som really bad ttd

in that vid

[dense bone]

no idea how people think high ttk is more casual

thats hilarious

[solid hinge]

Wait

[glad lily]

Less ttk is hardcore, hardcore is not for casuals

Hardcorelike

[solid hinge]

Gee

[opaque hinge]

[dense bone]

cods been hardcore?

[steel fjord]

"hardcore"

[solid hinge]

Guess what drives profits?

Casuals

[opaque hinge]

yup

[glad lily]

Cod is different game my man

[steel fjord]

kill everyting with a body shot. "hard"

[main grove]

High ttk makes it so that even if someone gets the drop on you you can still beat them if you're better

[dense bone]

yes, its casual and has low ttk

[glad lily]

Casuals dont buy cosmetics as much

[opaque hinge]

Without casuals there ain't no game

[dense bone]

@main grove gets it

[opaque hinge]

And yeah they do

[midnight nimbus]

CoD is less casual than BF

[opaque hinge]

They take mommy's credit card

And buy whatever they want

And then yeah the whales do the rest

[plush flume]

Buy me V bucks mommy

[dense bone]

longer ttk literally means more time for mechanics, mechanics is skill, this isnt hard to understand

[simple marlin]

@oblique parcel wut ?

[glad lily]

My mom never gives me her card

[plush flume]

Okay buy enough so we can go on dr Phil

[opaque hinge]

buy me v bucks daddy :pepe:

[steel fjord]

@main grove i disagree slightly. if they get the drop they should be able to kill you if they don't miss. if they miss i deserve a chance to fight back