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cerulean dock
ripe epoch
The ttk patch is out
median raven
You can easily do this in 1h play time. Took me a little longer due to being killed a couple of times
solid hinge
Yea ^
ripe epoch
Anyone notice a change in the ttk yet
golden hatch
Where does it say its out?
ripe epoch
People on twitch
golden hatch
It isnt out though
golden hatch
Since when is '''people on twitch'' a source anyway lol
solid hinge
so i would notice
median raven
Since BFV release @golden hatch
In fact that is now a better source than the devs themselves
ripe epoch
They were talking about it and how bad it's affecting medics...it's out
solid hinge
Dannyonpc says it will be out tomorrow
grim ore
can't join a single fking match wtf
solid hinge
Rip battlefield 5 guys
It’s gonna be dead
they are only bad players, the ttk changes will be out tomorrow
Dice loves killing their games
grim ore
it's already dead by the looks of it
solid hinge
according to DannyOnPc
grim ore
can't join any matches
deft shore
Daily challenge to play TDM but all of 5 people playing it in all of NA? Cool...
solid hinge
which region @grim ore
potent galleon
According to DICE should be today the ttk update
grim ore
EU
solid hinge
Which mode
grim ore
any
ripe epoch
Lol nobody knows
grim ore
tried
golden hatch
TTK changes come today, but it isnt know at what time. They are not out yet, though. @ripe epoch
ripe epoch
Sure buddy
solid hinge
If it was out, we would need to update the game And there would be an announcement
golden hatch
So you actually think its out @ripe epoch ?
solid hinge
Imo, these twitch streamers are just bad players and are blaming it on TTK while its not out
median raven
It is out along with the new self loading rifle AG M/42
potent galleon
@solid hinge No because the update is not for the client, but only for servers
austere path
is it back up?
median raven
Do your due diligence and download the update and stop trying to persuade yourself via discord
solid hinge
yes, but they did the soon™ announcement
golden hatch
You must have been dropped on your head as a baby too many times
golden hatch
''You can still play original TTK values in the new ‘Conquest Core’ playlist.''
Where is this playlist then mate/
😂
Its interesting to see one of the braindead enemies ingame here on discord
potent galleon
are u talking with?
median raven
You seem salty about this TTK update @golden hatch I hope DICE caters for you in some way
solid hinge
Aren't we all
golden hatch
Ill still destroy noobs either way, but its a bad move
potent galleon
"Its interesting to see one of the braindead enemies ingame here on discord" Are u talking with? @golden hatch
median raven
Do you want to join my platoon we need some more noob destroyers
gilded field
They're thinking the Conquest Core will eventually become the hardcore mode.
golden hatch
You stiiv
grim ore
would anyone know why i can't find a single server?
median raven
I'm thinking BFV will eventually become the standard that other devs will want to stay far away from
grim ore
even on the server browser there's literally nothing on ALL regions
median raven
How to spend years planning, creating and launching a game for it to fail 101
plush flume
Lol
potent galleon
@golden hatch lmao man. First of all, don't call me braindead. Do u want the ban?
Second, I did not say that the update is already live. I just said it should arrive today and not tomorrow.
third, see you on battlefield kid.
median raven
@potent galleon are you a moderator?
golden hatch
Done talking to plebs like you who pretend
frozen sparrow
How about we stop the personal attacks
If you can't discuss these things in a civil manner, take it elsewhere
grim ore
well that's one way to not get me to play the game, luckily i'm still within my refund period
solid hinge
@median raven which is the new weapon
golden hatch
How about people stop spreading wrong info
frozen sparrow
Still not a reason to attack someone
solid hinge
and which class
potent galleon
@median raven I'm not, but i didn't insulted anyone
median raven
Thank you @frozen sparrow that's what I've been telling these for around an hour
The new weapon is the AG M/42 I've just lost connection to servers but I played a quick domination and it's pretty good
solid hinge
which class
median raven
Not as good as the STEN but still pretty good
simple marlin
isn't that the weapon that we receive from the week2 of tides?
median raven
It's for the I suck dices dick class which most people use lately
west plinth
@simple marlin Week 2 is the helmet
simple marlin
week 3 then idk
solid hinge
eltipi, unless you can travel in time and unlock a gun that will only be unlocked 26 of december
its not out
Ratburner helmet lmao
viscid crater
How bad are the TTK changes?
icy sluice
Week 3 is Selbstlader I think
plush flume
It’s not out yet
median raven
Ok 2 secs let me bring the game up
viscid crater
Great to see the ZH will still be broken after the changes 👏
median raven
Oh I can't send a photo
Maybe I'm not approved
Moderator approve me right now if you see this and stop wasting my time
compact oxide
ZH is broken
icy sluice
💩
median raven
PM me
compact oxide
To be really bad now
viscid crater
Guaranteed to be 2 shot
severe wraith
Just post a gyazo link @median raven
viscid crater
TTK changes don't fix -.-
compact oxide
After the changes it's a 3 shot unless you hit upper chest
Meaning the assault guns are miles better
median raven
So m1a1 is a 6 shot kill?
solid hinge
Lamo tf
viscid crater
up to 63m
median raven
I wouldn't even waste my time if the range was further than that
severe wraith
Kill me
marble phoenix
what assault class get?
solid hinge
That must be fake lol
viscid crater
Gotta love dice :))
glossy locust
some of the guns need to be tweaked but the change is good
viscid crater
Instead of working on individual guns, dice took the shit approach and fucked the lot :/
solid hinge
lets hope while its not out we can atleast talk them to reducing the changes
median raven
That's how they're intended to be used though
viscid crater
Guess it's back to siege for me
mossy badge
glossy locust
these changes make camping less viable and that is GOOD for the game
i don't care what everyone thinks
viscid crater
How tf does it make camping less viable?
plush flume
That’s why I’m not hating on it straight away until I try it
median raven
@glossy locust I think you're looking for a call of duty discord
glossy locust
lol call of duty insult
plush flume
From the notes it doesn’t sound the best but I’m willing to give it a try
median raven
Not an insult just a statement
icy sluice
Today, Call of Duty is an insult
viscid crater
I don't get the hate against camping anyway. 9 times out of 10 I'm "camping" when defending an objective :/
narrow mantle
is it still not out yet
glossy locust
this game has a problem with prone campers, go around with your sniper scope and look at them they are like rats
topaz dome
removing camping = making the zerging worse
glossy locust
literring the hills
icy sluice
lol, who the fuck defends?
median raven
Prime targets are easy targets
viscid crater
If they're littering the hills, they're not on the objective. ez win
median raven
Prone*
glossy locust
so what i don't care if the PTFO it's not fun to get killed by someone with no time to react because they stay in the same spot all game long
median raven
So you think with a higher TTK it's gonna encourage those select few to run and gun?
glossy locust
the spotting change combined with the TTK changes created this meta
viscid crater
Not really
If you keep getting killed by a guy in the same spot over and over again that's your fault for challenging it
Either kill them or move on to a new target
devout edge
So, defending in breakthrough is never allowed because it's camping?
karmic summit
^
glossy locust
lol difference between defending objectives and camping in the outskirts with lmgs
viscid crater
Everytime I play breakthrough someone always calls me a camper. I'M DEFENDING
glossy locust
you must not be playing if you don't think prone LMG camping is a problem
viscid crater
Prone LMG is easy to beat
karmic summit
What counts as "the outskirts"?
golden hatch
People who complain about camping are always terrible noobs anyway
viscid crater
not wrong lol
devout edge
How dare you sit on the objective you're supposed to defend and shoot at people coming to take it?
viscid crater
Camping is fine lol
median raven
Prone LMG camping is just a support playstyle
glossy locust
lol
viscid crater
who gives a shit
quaint pollen
Camping = free dynamite kills
viscid crater
Let me just run around with my MMG
karmic summit
Like are we talking near an objective and can see it or like... in the dead around between objectives?
golden hatch
Only noobs get killed by campers cus they cant adapt
viscid crater
dropshot and spray
solid hinge
camping in a hill far away from objective = bad
devout edge
If you repeatedly get killed by "campers" it's usually you that's not good enough to deal with campers.
glossy locust
so tell me how BF1 TTK was somehow terrible
viscid crater
great gameplay
glossy locust
it was fine
glossy locust
pretty much what this change is
solid hinge
Im so mad that im about to say the n-word guys
devout edge
BF1 was traaaash
solid hinge
except this whole game is built from the ground up to distance from BF 1
viscid crater
The gunplay "was" much better on release than BF1 ever was
plush flume
DONT SAY IT
lapis hare
@solid hinge don't say it 
median raven
I used to sten those guys across the map but with this new change it will take approx 4 magazines and 2 ammo supply's to do it now
plush flume
God please you don’t know what you’re doing
solid hinge
@solid hinge THAT'S RACIST YOU CAN'T SAY THAT
viscid crater
Stop giving he attention lol
solid hinge
is that a challenge? @glossy locust
topaz dome
ne*d
viscid crater
@glossy locust Explain why? I'm shooting nerf bullets?
glossy locust
because like in the best shooters (CSGO) smgs should be considerably worse at range so much so that they are not worth using at those engagement distances
compact oxide
Oh god
solid hinge
viscid crater
you didn't just use CS:GO as a basis for a good shooter xD
devout edge
lol
glossy locust
everyone in here is probably foolish enough to think CSGO and BF1 gunplay doesn't mirror each other, random spread is in fact good for gunplay
median raven
I want to ask a question for some research I'm doing and I want as many responses from you guys
compact oxide
Yes, medics should only have crappy close range smgs
viscid crater
RANDOM SPREAD
karmic summit
"random spread" "good"
viscid crater
EW
topaz dome
do you see any other esports fps games with the support of csgo or overwatch?
golden hatch
random recoil is always bad
glossy locust
yes at different engagement distances random spread is implemented in CSGO
median raven
❌ = FUCK DICE
💙 = SUPPORT DICE
glossy locust
how is CSGO not a good example of a balanced modern shooter
median raven
❌
glossy locust
like wtf are you guys smoking
viscid crater
@median raven Let's not be childish
icy sluice
CoD had random recoil, it sucked because it became a dice roll at ranges.
devout edge
True, we should get ultimates for classes, because Overwatch has it, and that's the 2nd best shooter.
solid hinge
I support DICE, but not the changes they are making
glossy locust
good god like that effects the main game mode at all
stfu
CSGO is the most balanced MP shooter on the market
viscid crater
NO
glossy locust
yes it fucking is
median raven
Ok that was a little childish but I genuinely feel robbed
solid hinge
kek
glossy locust
are you retarded
compact oxide
Look mate, csgo and bf are different
icy sluice
r u rarted?
glossy locust
yes like bf tries to be rock paper scissors pros and cons
golden hatch
u cant compare CS:GO and BFV
icy sluice
You can because shooty shooty gun gun
median raven
Lmao
plush flume
I’d rather support dice but acknowledge they’ve made a lot of mistakes and fault them for it
Or is that the answer didn’t want to hear?
median raven
No I understand
icy sluice
People hated him because he spoke the truth
glossy locust
ok if we aren't trying to emulate games with good shooting mechanics what are we trying to do here?
icy sluice
Shitting on modern day game developers is hip and cool.
plush flume
I’m kidding about that last part anyway
lapis hare
& not apply it directly
viscid crater
Should be a PTE for BFV before these changes get pushed to production
lapis hare
^
viscid crater
that's what irritates me
icy sluice
The only game that requires skill is Medal of Honor Allied Assault Multiplayer 👀
median raven
But has the community not been addressing issues since launch and tell me one thing they've listened to and adjusted accordingly
glossy locust
why is lower TTK good, it makes controlling weapons easier and lessens the reward for precision shots like headshots
lapis hare
''but you can play conquest core for the current ttk!''
but what if I don't like conquest
glossy locust
why is lower TTK good, it makes controlling weapons easier and lessens the reward for precision shots like headshots
icy sluice
You should, that's the "Battlefield Experience"
solid hinge
Who tf doesnt likes conquest
viscid crater
I feel like DICE likes to give the illusion that they are communicating with us
median raven
You can all bend over for DICE and continue to support a GREEDY Corporation but we all spent bucks on this game
topaz dome
why is spam good, it makes me read things twice and clutters my screen and makes me 
lapis hare
BRO
solid hinge
It makes battlefield good
undone forge
Yes joshyy
solid hinge
Bro is a black word and ur white dont use it
Because it makes the gun fights more consistent
lapis hare
im gonna say the n-word & frame you for it
solid hinge
It also makes people not bullet sponges
solid hinge
Dont say it man!
lapis hare
N
solid hinge
It also allows people to learn when to back out of a fight
lapis hare
word
glossy locust
this TTK change is similar to bf1 and people are not bullet sponges in bf1, what game were yall playing
topaz dome
becasue ti measn you can spend more time reviving your teammates and doing supporting stuff like building fortifications and and giving out bandages and ammo
viscid crater
I'd just like there to be "public" testing where there could be feedback on proposed changes and then further tweaking to get the balance right.
solid hinge
Yeah battlefield 1 ttk was trash
median raven
Guys you gotta realise that firestorm is being released in a few months so they are no longer catering to the loyal battlefield fans
golden hatch
Lower TTK is good because it promotes using your brain when playing instead of running around like a braindead monkey and still being able to get kills. Completely takes positioning out of the equation.
solid hinge
Heheheheheh
lapis hare
maddest lad
median raven
They are catering to the casual fps and battle royals players who ninja and other streamers will bring over because that's where the money is at
lapis hare
it just seems like DICE is trying to pander to the side of the playerbase
that just found out what a gun can do
viscid crater
Do dice ever chat in this discord?
lapis hare
''gun..... shoot''
solid hinge
They better not lmao
azure vault
no, why would any dice employee come here and talk
solid hinge
Hated battlefield 1 ttk
glossy locust
positioning will still matter, maybe not AS MUCH, but now precision headshots will matter more, controlling recoil will matter more, mastering individual weapons will matter more
solid hinge
Made inconsistency apparent
median raven
Best bet is to post on AMAA Reddit but be careful what you say because all the employees dodge questions
azure vault
its a blend of hypermasculine posturing and non-industry people tossing around industry concepts
viscid crater
lol
wise lark
why everyday is buggier than the previous one 😒
viscid crater
Is there actually a development company that interacts with the player base?
quaint pollen
Epic
icy sluice
Most indie devs
golden hatch
The Battalion devs did, but it didnt work out
median raven
Epic are the MVP
icy sluice
default dances
glossy locust
i mean people say CSGO has low TTK but it really doesn't you need like 4-5 body shots to kill with many guns, you need to hit the head for the one shot kill
lapis hare
Epic Games are good, until you need support
topaz dome
epic - cough unreal tournament cough paragon
lapis hare
& you don't get support, but you get an email asking you to rate their support
icy sluice
UT is a great game still!
glossy locust
i would be fine with one shot headshots from most guns
median raven
Paragon was dead
simple marlin
i had no issue with epic support
solid hinge
One shot headshot in battlefield would break the game
simple marlin
they were really good and fast
icy sluice
I own the Unreal Anthology
viscid crater
Sprays with mg42 ahhahahaha
icy sluice
The Liberator needs to one-shot headshot
simple marlin
refunded my paragon early access funder pack without hassle
solid hinge
Battlefield and csgo are different games, don’t compare them
lapis hare
I gave them my passport & they still claimed I wasn't the owner of my account
solid hinge
Damn dice be catering to casuals
icy sluice
But, they're games of the shooty variety
viscid crater
My biggest problem is that you can't 1 shot planes with rockets anymore 😦
topaz dome
epic cough making another proprietary game service for buying stuff on besides steam, origin, uplay, gog, blizzard app, discord store, cough
simple marlin
and when i had an issue with my account apparently being used by someone else tyo play fortnite (i dont play that trash tahnk you), guy of the support actually replied 5mins after i sent the support request
lapis hare
median raven
And what's this that the CC bug was intentional
solid hinge
I bet you so many people that got into battlefield player causalfield 1
icy sluice
I play with demonic rituals
glossy locust
how would one shot headshot break the game? I don't understand
median raven
And when someone got top comment asking about that the comment got deleted
icy sluice
SMG combat at close quarters won't exactly be fair
plush flume
Wtf are you on about now?
lapis hare
only support i've got that wasn't moronic
icy sluice
That's one point
glossy locust
aren't SMGS bad currently
gray glade
kind of ye
glossy locust
they are hit by the TTK the most
viscid crater
Good in some situations
spice ruin
how can I still earn ToW xp if all missions are accomplished?
glossy locust
so they just need a flat buff
solid hinge
It would cause all the balancing issues in battlefield if they had one shot headshot
icy sluice
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viscid crater
no
gray glade
really up close they can work, but you dont have much lee-way with them
solid hinge
Like in battlefield 4, hardcore mode was brain dead mode with the one shot headshot
slow cradle
@simple marlin EA support resolved my guns not being unlocked in 10 minutes, on saturday, after 23:00 in the night (my time of course, not support's, but still)
glossy locust
hardcord mode is braindead in any bf
viscid crater
what
lapis hare
no
glossy locust
it's fucking shit and the game is not balanced around it
solid hinge
lowering the time to kill @atomic drift
glossy locust
hardcore
solid hinge
lolno
atomic drift
so does it mean you have less hp/ weapons do more damage? @solid hinge
solid hinge
in a nutshell yes
One shot headshot would make high fire rate weapons king, it would also allow more luck than skill
low quail
i will wait some of youtubers to post some videos about today's patch
solid hinge
Gun balancing would be shallow as damage wouldn’t matter
glossy locust
not sure how it's luck it's hard to get headshots
glossy locust
harder than hitting the body?
solid hinge
because hitboxes are small
viscid crater
it really isn't hard lol
median raven
Not harder but easily done
solid hinge
but in BF sometimes the hitbox feels like its a cardboard box for the head
viscid crater
Recoil does most of the work for you
solid hinge
Well yes but no where near impossible
compact oxide
Lol you think it's hard to hit head in BFV?! 
lapis hare
spray & pray brother
glossy locust
lol so now it's as easy to hit the head as it is to hit the body in this game
lapis hare
glossy locust
like am i taking crazy pills
golden hatch
Headshot hitboxes seem much larger than the heads
viscid crater
You must be
golden hatch
I get so many headshots, especially long distance with sniper
lapis hare
you're comparing csgo & battlefield
viscid crater
Headshots are easy
lapis hare
so you must be, yea
golden hatch
THeres no way im hitting that pixel that often
median raven
nobody said its as easy to hit the head
Unless your name is ferdi why you coming fast
viscid crater
It is easy tho
solid hinge
Yeah you can’t compare csgo and battlefield
Two different games
Csgo is a tactical competitive shooter
Battlefield is a large scale arcade shooter
glossy locust
well even so CSGO has good gunplay/recoil/spread mechanics I don't think that is arguable
solid hinge
"tactical" i could argue with that
lapis hare
HE IS BANANA
solid hinge
Well it can’t be applied to battlefield with the way the two games are played
Which is completely different
plush flume
@golden hatch not that bad of an idea
solid hinge
tomahawk across the map
glossy locust
so the same guy that says one shot headshots would break balance also wants a lower TTK
those are at odds
solid hinge
Lower ttk is good, one shot headshot not so much
the thing with one shot headshots
is that the hitbox in bf, sometimes feels like its a gigant cardboard box
its inconsistent
glossy locust
not every gun at every distance but yes at 50m it should almost kill you to get hit in the head currently it doesn't seem to
plush flume
Someone ping me when the update comes out
solid hinge
Then it’d be a brain dead game
compact oxide
It does 2x damage to hit head atm
orchid iris
Anyone know what shaped based damage indicator actually does? I never noticed
compact oxide
Literally a 2x faster ttk than hitting body, and you want 1btk heads
glossy locust
well certainly two headshots should kill
solid hinge
Yeah headshot multiplier works not one shot headshot
glossy locust
i think they do
solid hinge
Two completely different things
glossy locust
i haven't looked at symthic or whatever
and why do they need shitty cardboard hitboxes?
i know why they have bad netcode for almost a decade now
icy sluice
I'll show you a shitty cardboard box
snow crater
just looked at the next weekly things for the helmet and look up is bs
glossy locust
i dunno the game was pretty fun the other day all these things aside, I don't think the TTK will make it not fun
snow crater
i never even get enough for a v1
south lichen
WHY DID U YOU CHANGE TTK IT WAS PERFECT
plush flume
It hasn’t come out Texas
snow crater
and when im in a random squad normally the leader has like 80000 points and never calls anything
and leaves his order on a dummy flag of the opposing team so it wont run out
plush flume
That’s why I won’t be bummed that much if I don’t get the helmet
snow crater
but the helmet looks like lord chanka
icy sluice
It's a good helmet
icy sluice
It's almost humorous how many people come in JUST TO TYPE IN CAPS
glossy locust
i think the biggest change is that when you die it shows you the cam of your squad member
short estuary
guy just kill me in melee with...nothing
glossy locust
makes it so much more convenient to spawn on them
short estuary
wat?
glossy locust
yeah maybe they went too far i dunno
plush flume
Okay I’m more convinced they’ll change it back now
glossy locust
i really enjoyed how tank machine guns actually had some fucking punch
hope they don't change that
glossy locust
in bf4 you had to unload on a dude with the tank machine gun it was stupid
solid hinge
Whom'st've'est'ed @ed?
compact oxide
@narrow mantle that's just the old normal ttk
median raven
'Yeah it's done nothing to the one frame deaths but makes every gun feel the shadow of it's former self. RIP medic class with it's hit marker machine guns.' - Comment on that westie tweet
snow crater
do i actually need to buy rank 4 specilizations
compact oxide
snow crater
cant i just reset the weapon/veichle and get the level 4 specilizations for free?
compact oxide
Nope, you have to buy them all first
If you reset you can only reapply to wherever you unlocked to
snow crater
ok
icy sluice
Uhh
If you get level 4, you can reset and none of the upgrades cost anything
inb4 vehicle mastery assignments
golden Stuka
short estuary
golden parts is awful
austere path
so the new tkk is live or not?
solid hinge
7HTK with a rifle caliber? No thanks
willow cave
It is live now. It feels worse than I could ever have imagined.
midnight nimbus
5-9 BTK SMGs, 5-7 BTK LMG/AR/MMG
assault semis are unusable
but upcoming AG m/42 will be fine
snow crater
whats happening with the matchmaking rn
grave loom
wait
snow crater
im waiting for 10 minutes
grave loom
are u Sayin m1 and all those are 7 hit kills now?
midnight nimbus
M1 is like 4-6
median raven
WTF IS THE SELB
analog kindle
my matchmaking is fine @snow crater
midnight nimbus
Selb and G43 are unusable
analog kindle
@grave loom only at longer ranges .. but yeah, it sucks
midnight nimbus
G43 is basically TTK 1.0 BF1 Cei
analog kindle
@grave loom you can always queue harcore conquest ..hah .. hah
snow crater
what is conquest core
grave loom
Ah yeah great
snow crater
is it the old ttk
sharp cargo
It's widely accepted within the community that the current TTK values feel 'dialed in' or is 'perfect as is', and that the elements that need to change are those that impact TTD (Time to Death), such as netcode, health models, etc. It's important to note that both TTK and TTD are closely intertwined. Making one change to TTK directly impacts TTD, and vice versa. "But, why futz around with TTK when it's ideal at its current state?" Although not extremely vocal within our deeply engaged community, we see from our game data that the wider player base is dying too fast leading to faster churn - meaning players may be getting frustrated with dying too fast that they choose not to log back in and learn how to become more proficient at Battlefield V. Changing TTK values in addition to improving TTD elements will help these particular instances and hopefully result in better gameplay experiences for players of all skill levels.
reef solstice
Btw
Am i the only one who found the last tiger emotional af
Like i teared up at the end
plush flume
Wait what should I choose
snow crater
no spoilers plz
plush flume
Core or normal
reef solstice
Oh sorry
sharp cargo
@plush flume normal
midnight nimbus
tfw the guy at DICE who did these changes doesn't understand the relationship between TTK and TTD
plush flume
Okay
midnight nimbus
diminishing returns man
snow crater
does making my squad open result in faster matchmaking?
grave loom
so if we wanna play Breakthrough an shit on old ttk we cant correct?
viscid cypress
Not really, considering how cliche and predictable the Last Tiger was.
analog kindle
@grave loom haven't tried, but probably you are correct
reef solstice
But yea idk if anyone was here when i asked
grave loom
Damn
analog kindle
@snow crater possibly
reef solstice
But in the customization
midnight nimbus
jacking up TTK and TTD by ~33% across the board = TTK gets way longer, TTD barely gets longer
narrow mantle
u nd to know ttk and ttd both linked together
reef solstice
How do you unlock the other colors
icy sluice
This is the chart of TTK
https://us.v-cdn.net/6028111/uploads/editor/jt/7x5srkd53rjl.png
icy sluice
Original is in red
reef solstice
Because i wanna make my company match the surroundings
reef solstice
And it says through assignments
viscid cypress
TTK and TTD aren't linked when TTD is bugged.
midnight nimbus
they kinda are
reef solstice
But i dont know how to get the specific assignment for that color
hard rampart
headshots are more valuable than ever - aka skilled players are even more effective
midnight nimbus
e.g. a 300ms TTK might lead to a 3 frame death
400ms might be a 4 frame
so jacking up TTK by a lot gives you very little perceived improvements in TTD
icy sluice
@reef solstice You have to get the Class... Proficiency Assignments
snow crater
tf is wrong with the matchmaking
viscid cypress
Literally the only time I had a problem with dying quickly is when I just died instantly to a STEN.
snow crater
15 mins
midnight nimbus
3 frames = 50ms, 6 frames = 67ms btw
viscid cypress
Yeah I don't gives a shit
midnight nimbus
like even at my best, I'll barely get 180ms on a reaction time test
you can't tell the difference between dying in 3 frames and 6 frames
but you can tell the difference between 300ms and 400ms TTK easily
viscid cypress
If you die instantly without realizing it's about to happen, it's entirely your fault for being bad.
midnight nimbus
🙄🙄🙄
median raven
I just got killed by a sten 1st hit was partly in cover the second or third was when I was fully behind cover
I have an 18 ping
slim echo
midnight nimbus
damage received isn't damage perceived
viscid cypress
Okay, how is that the TTK's fault?
slim echo
Like that.
midnight nimbus
it's not
median raven
Didn't say it was
midnight nimbus
which is why the changes are dumb
median raven
Don't assume
So when are we likely to see changes relating to that @midnight nimbus which will therefore fix the primary issue everyone in the community is complaining about
slim echo
TTK was fine. they needed to change TTD. They cant fix TTD right now so the change TTK. Which still doesnt change TTD
viscid cypress
They can't fix TTD cause they're incompetent.
median raven
But these are software devs with years of experience
golden hatch
new TTK feels awful
sterile ingot
Other than fixing netcode issues the TTD is highly correlated with TTK
That is the issue
midnight nimbus
@median raven from what I've been told, they haven't figured it out
why damage isn't synced
viscid cypress
So? I'm an artist with experience and I'm still incompetent.
slim echo
Or just drop the game and refund us all 
median raven
They had this with BF4 when they had to get a third party to correct it am I right?
midnight nimbus
TTD may be correlated with TTK, but you have to think in absolute and not proportional terms
sterile ingot
You cant change one without affecting the other unless it is purely a netcode issue causing the difference
willow cave
i tried the new model. TTD felt the same but TTK is ruined
orchid iris
I just saw that thread about the TTD issue, and I started wondering, do you guys think this could be related to future frame rendering? From what I understand future frame rendering buffers up future CPU frames not GPU frames. So what could be happening is you are pulling off this buffered old CPU frame and rendering the frame for the user while you have actually already started receiving damage packets, but the game just isn't displaying it to you because it's already processed the CPU frame and pulling it 2-3 frames deep in the buffer.
median raven
I'd gladly accept that @slim echo seeing as it's likely we could see f20 discussion
orchid iris
thoughts?
midnight nimbus
BF4's issues were a bit different
median raven
F2p*
midnight nimbus
a lot of it was 30Hz related
median raven
Ok fair enough
slim echo
@median raven 
viscid cypress
I don't use future rendering and I rarely get killed instantly.
orchid iris
it's also kinda consistent with that video too because you will notice he is hearing the gun shots, so the data is cleary coming over the network to know he's being shot at, maybe the audio is rendered with a different pipeline not affected by future frame rendering
it all kinda adds up
median raven
You would just think that a multi millionaire Dev which has been working on the same franchise for like 10 years or some shit would have a good understanding
midnight nimbus
even though TTK and TTD are related, you have to jack up TTK to like airsoft levels before you see any reasonable net benefit in TTD increase
sterile ingot
Lol no
If it takes you 1 second to kill someone on your screen it SHOULD take 1 second for the enemy to die on theirs
midnight nimbus
man AAA games are harder to make than you think
^ that's how it should work, yes
sterile ingot
But sometimes lag causes discrepancies
midnight nimbus
except rn damage isn't synced
sterile ingot
You cant say it should take .5 seconds to kill and 1 second to die
That makes no sense
orchid iris
it does, you clearly have no concept of networking or programming though
midnight nimbus
so given how they can't pin down the root of the TTD issues, they're trying to figure out how to fix it with increasing TTK
which they can't
severe wraith
@sterile ingot exactly
orchid iris
unless you want all your actions on your PC to be delayed by 1 sec, and complain about how shitty the game feels
median raven
So wouldn't that be something an amateur does
A band aid fix
Wouldn't even call it a fix
orchid iris
there is only so much that can be done at the networking layer, past taht, you need to look into the games mechanics and address issues there, there are technical limitations
I dont know why nobody realizes this
midnight nimbus
band aids over gaping wounds, the story of BFV
basically
like why the supply depots have to exist
attrition doesn't actually improve teamplay and designers know this
median raven
So why was it implemented?
midnight nimbus
awful velocity on SMGs
willow cave
@orchid iris The problem is that it DIDN'T fix TTD. Play some and you will notice. This change is worse in every way
sterile ingot
They should have nerfed fire rates instead of damage
midnight nimbus
that doesn't solve anything
golden hatch
New TTK feels awful, TTD feels exactly the same so far.
midnight nimbus
might as well keep TTK
golden hatch
Played 2 games
median raven
Agreed @golden hatch
midnight nimbus
BFV: pandering to the community while trying to maintain some semblance of balance
orchid iris
They need to increase recoil on all weapons, it will increase the skill ceiling and fix the TTK/TTD issues. Except now watch everyone who complains about 'muh skill ceiling' not want that change despite it increasing the skill ceiling.
viscid cypress
Except they haven't pandered to the community
midnight nimbus
"reeeeee remove RBD"
now SMGs have to have atrocious velocity and drag because they'd be ridiculously strong otherwise
subtle cloak
WTF, trying to connect to servers and i get message: "Missing online access. This EA account is restricted from accessing any online features etc etc." WTF
viscid cypress
They've ignored basicaly everything the community said.
subtle cloak
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
median raven
Depends on what you define as the community @viscid cypress
regal junco
I'm just in disbelief about these changes. I'm so demotivated to play now
misty sage
wtf, did they change TTK?
grave loom
Yes
midnight nimbus
"more teamplay, more interaction"
now everything requires a button press, which means everything features a memory intensive animation
misty sage
W T F
viscid cypress
The people that actually discuss the game.
midnight nimbus
BFV designed by reddit man
median raven
The people who resort to social media by means of discussion for the game are a minority
plush flume
Welp
viscid cypress
You know that's bullshit, they take everything that is requested and just fuck it up
plush flume
Time to stay on conquest core until they fix this
median raven
The casuals outnumber us by many
plush flume
It feels different
subtle cloak
does anyone know where i can buy crack
viscid cypress
"The JU88 is too strong"
DICE: NERF ALL PLANES
median raven
The people who will come over for battle royale outnumber us by many
plush flume
But not completely different
rapid plover
I mean, the JU88 WAS too strong in all fairness
naive wraith
But they didn’t have to nerf all planes
viscid cypress
Okay? That's exactly what I just said.
rocky verge
They only nerfed bombers fighters are still normal i think
plush flume
But I can live with this
latent cairn
See you guys for BF6 🤣
midnight nimbus
listening to reddit man :/
willow cave
nobody on reddit asked for this
latent cairn
BFV was fun while it lasted
viscid cypress
Okay KHT, which community is the right one to listen to?
midnight nimbus
listening to reddit in general got us to where we are
viscid cypress
Cause they're all saying the same thing.
midnight nimbus
top players
rapid plover
Only just joined the chat, what're we saying has killed BFV?
solid hinge
They split the community not with premium but with a core game mechanic
plush flume
I don’t no why you guys are kicking this much of a fuss though no offence
misty sage
Basically you can just put a chicken on the keyboard and it can still kill you with JU88
solid hinge
@rapid plover ttk changes
orchid iris
yes, the game should only be catered to top players so they can stomp everyone and kill off the community, smart move lol
viscid cypress
What do you consider a top player?
willow cave
@midnight nimbus nobody asked for this. don't blame reddit for dice's failure
orchid iris
you should go start your own game company man
midnight nimbus
the game should be designed around top players yes
golden hatch
Top players have a better understanding of the game than noobs
plush flume
Like it’s the worst thing for the game but it’s not good either
viscid cypress
@midnight nimbus Okay, what's a top player?
median raven
Top players put more hours in than devs
midnight nimbus
Relaaa, jjika
willow cave
@midnight nimbus read dices post and you will see them explicitly state that feedback said to KEEP TTK
tropic nest
Did a devs call someone a nazi supporter for bitching about TTK changes?
midnight nimbus
Nickel is really good but has some questionable opinions
topaz elbow
whens the ttk go live
tropic nest
That’s what I heard on r/bf
median raven
Lmfaoo Jem
solid hinge
not that i agree with DICE's TTK changes, i like the game as is
but let's not pretend that there weren't people comparing this game with CoD for whatever reason
Hahahah jk
tropic nest
It is a ww2 game
viscid cypress
Okay, that didn't tell me what a TOP PLAYER is.
midnight nimbus
yea, TTK is an interesting case of not listening to the community, but it's not a permanent change
solid hinge
the thing that sucks about this that the "they codified battlefield!!11!!" crowd already dropped bfv
Guys im not a nazi i promise
rapid plover
I don't understand why there's a difference between TTK and TTD... Surely it should just be the same for both?
median raven
Don't worry, you missed the CSGO comparisons earlier
solid hinge
so it was pointless to listen to them
midnight nimbus
they wanna collect data to see if higher TTK actually helps TTD issues
orchid iris
increased TTK is just a game mechanic, if you are too shitty to play around it you are obviously a shit player, even if they TTK doubled what it was now, it just means you need to rely more on squad communication, actually stick together, focus fire enemies, not try to be a rambo, it's just a game mechanic... if you can't adapt to it then sorry you are the noob
plush flume
@tropic nest you’re hearing that from the BF reddit?! Yeah don’t believe half of what they say
midnight nimbus
which it doesn't
regal junco
@rapid plover Network fuckery
abstract ocean
The new gun out
viscid cypress
Give me something measurable that defines Top Player.
abstract ocean
The new challenges out?
median raven
Top player would be someone who performs well stats wise
midnight nimbus
and how to break the game
topaz elbow
grave loom
Nah still vgo still goin for 8 more hours @abstract ocean
midnight nimbus
how to break the game is what separates top players from good players
viscid crater
Would SPM be more accurate at defining at "top" player?
tropic nest
Ok just making sure. Ik they’ve done it before so just checking
latent cairn
@orchid iris You have no idea what you are talking about.... This means that SMGs now need an extra 1-2 shots to kill. Medic is already on a very low end of what is worth using
viscid cypress
What is a high KDA?
golden hatch
Public stats shouldnt be used to determine top players lmao
rapid plover
Kill Death Average
golden hatch
U use competitive environments for that
rapid plover
I think?
viscid crater
What??
midnight nimbus
inventing things like euro hipfire, zouzou, cheesy glitches, panzerfaust insta swap, etc
quaint pollen
If I didn't get this game from a code then I'd be pissed with how they are intentionally running it into the ground
golden hatch
But BF doesnt have any anyway
orchid iris
@latent cairn Are you talking about the game being noob friendly, or weapons being unbalanced, those are 2 different things
midnight nimbus
3 as infy is good
tropic nest
Kda doesn’t matter
abstract ocean
Ima play gta until sat
midnight nimbus
yes it does
median raven
People who say kda doesn't matter have bad kda
midnight nimbus
you're hampering your team by just dying over and over
quaint pollen
yeah kda just means you can aim better and probably have better positioning... doesn't matter at all
viscid cypress
So people who play for kills are the top players?
midnight nimbus
reducing spawn locations and bleeding tickets
golden hatch
Of course K/D matters. If you have 10000 score but 4-18 K/D it just means u were in the right areas but didnt do shit to help your team
rapid plover
KDA matters, but not as the be all and end all of the game.
midnight nimbus
high K/D and high KPM matter
orchid iris
you guys just all want to circle jerk whatever youtube celeb you saw or top voted reddit post you read, it's hilarious
midnight nimbus
high KPM = you're actually affecting the objective
golden hatch
i couldnt care less about youtubers
median raven
Of course Jason
latent cairn
@orchid iris Now because they are increasing the TTK the medic weapons will require an extra 1-2 to shots. That is just stupid. Medic already had a hard time keeping up with the other classes which require like 4 shots in most cases.
solid hinge
If you want to talk KD what KD do you think is high
midnight nimbus
can't get tons of kills without affecting the obj in some way
tropic nest
Obviously if you go to the extremes but lots of times a game is decided by a small push not overall kd
midnight nimbus
3-4 is at least good
solid hinge
mines 4.25
median raven
I think atleast a 2.5 as a ball figure
midnight nimbus
idk guys like relaaa are like >6(?)
viscid cypress
Okay, every High KDA player I've seen has had abysmal SPM, they play for kills.
golden hatch
Easy to get high K/D by just playing domination instead of conquest
willow cave
@orchid iris play some for yourself. IT FEELS AWFUL. I was initially not against experimenting but FFS, this experiment failed
golden hatch
I have 2.6 in conquest and like 4.5 in domination lol
tropic nest
Exactly
viscid crater
High K/D means nothing
solid hinge
I play breakthrough
midnight nimbus
that's why high K/D and high KPM are the necessary metrics
orchid iris
@latent cairn If you die slower, medics passive healing becomes stronger. More of a chance ot take cover and recover. Also you cant look at weapon balance in a vacuum, it's all relative to the other changes.
golden hatch
I just tested the new TTK and it feels awful
midnight nimbus
killing a lot, not dying a lot
median raven
High kd means something coupled with kpm/spm
golden hatch
TTD still sucks and TTK is just worse now
viscid crater
I could sit back and snipe and go 30-0 we'd lose but who cares id have a high k/d
median raven
High kd means something a lone
midnight nimbus
weapon balance got nuked with new TTK
tidal hedge
I want HARDCORE already. 2-hit kill rifles are bogus
golden hatch
medic weapons feel awful now
analog kindle
fuck this TTK .. 3 hits with ZH29 is just bs
tropic nest
I refuse to buy BfV cause they censor words in chat
golden hatch
weapons with low amount of bullets in a magazine are awful now
solid hinge
Lmao guys the TTK its only in 1 game mode...
golden hatch
No
viscid crater
@tropic nest why do you even need to use those words lol
golden hatch
Its in all gamemodes @solid hinge
latent cairn
Lol it is not... They gave the weapons a "buff" which honestly only made them feel worse. That may just be me. But doesnt matter if they heal faster if they require 5 shots more to kill than someone with a sturmgewehr or KE7
orchid iris
@latent cairn I think there are 2 separate issues, weapon balance, and TTK. weapon balance will never be 'balanced' it's impossible, so that will always be an issue
solid hinge
Not on consoles
tropic nest
If you don’t bitch ea will never change it
willow cave
@solid hinge yes it is
woven lake
bitch?
rapid plover
lasagna
golden hatch
@solid hinge New TTK is in ALL game modes except the new conquest playlist, which uses the old one.
latent cairn
@orchid iris The two kinda go hand in hand. If they increased the ttk without changing the weapons, that would be the same as just making all weapons "weaker".
tidal hedge
Yall are bad at thinking, theres literally an option to play on the old settings
tropic nest
Ea will feel this heat if everyone keeps this up
solid hinge
@tropic nest yeah cause no one cares enough about that
viscid crater
@tidal hedge on one game mode
solid hinge
@tropic nest and its Dice not ea
woven lake
the reddit post doens't evne have any upvotes
tropic nest
Same shit
woven lake
and yours?
midnight nimbus
ZH-29 is still 2BTK
tropic nest
Oh the real bf subreddit they do @woven lake 😉
viscid crater
Who cares about reddit lol
woven lake
foxgamerprox?
rocky verge
Ech
midnight nimbus
unless you hit legs
solid hinge
@tropic nest ea is a publisher and dice is the developer of battlefield
quaint pollen
ea pushed dice into throwing a shit pile of an unfinished game... devs probably don't care too much about a game they couldn't get artistic with
rocky verge
I plan on changing it anyways
solid hinge
Not really
midnight nimbus
@orchid iris weapons are plenty balanced rn
analog kindle
@midnight nimbus nope. at some quite low range it changes to 3 BTK
viscid crater
ZH-29 was broken. Is it still guaranteed 2hk? Haven't tested yet
potent galleon
Mmmm two crash in less than 20 minutes with new ttk server update. Anyone?
orchid iris
@latent cairn Making all guns weaker doesn't make any gun weaker, their power is relative to eachother within the game. There will always be the strongest/weakest weapons, there will always be a meta. There will always be posts in every single game with people complaining about an OP X and their beloved Y that needs to be buffed.
midnight nimbus
ZH-29 upper chest multiplier is unchanged
viscid cypress
@tropic nest You mean the "real BF subreddit" where they're still reeeeing about women?
midnight nimbus
same with heads
viscid crater
Medic is even shitter than before
tropic nest
Yes the one with freedom
viscid crater
@tropic nest LOL
plush flume
AHAHAHAA
viscid crater
xD
tidal hedge
The ZH is still 2-hit kill, someone you shot probably healed themselves instantly
midnight nimbus
perception of weapon balance is hard, actual weapon balance isn't
rapid plover
^
midnight nimbus
BFV weapon balance is good
viscid crater
tropic nest
Was good*
midnight nimbus
on par with BF1 without the TTK increase
viscid cypress
So basically the "real bf subreddit" is arguing for historical accuracy, while also championing for 9 BTK?
latent cairn
@orchid iris That is true. However, if your weapon requires now 4 after 6 shots. And the medic requires now 7 and after 10 it will still be a much harder change for Medics because they have to hit 1/3 of their mag. Just throwing out numbers btw
midnight nimbus
with the TTK increase? like worse than BF3 balance
tropic nest
What’s btk?
viscid crater
Bullets to kill
orchid iris
@midnight nimbus Weapon balance also can't be viewed in a vacuum because maps heavily influence 'weapon balance'
solid hinge
Oof
midnight nimbus
might even be worse than BC2 balance
dense bone
butt tuck kids
midnight nimbus
then play to the map's strengths
median raven
Bring the krack
viscid crater
Medic players will be nonexistent for the next week or so until this shit is fixed. FUN
quaint pollen
what?!?!?! a CQ gun will perform well in CQ?????????????? no way
plush flume
They will change this
tropic nest
Join us in bf4 
@viscid crater
quaint pollen
its about balancing guns around their effective ranges
steel fjord
man smgs need to keep up with the other weapons despite being better at close ranges or something like that
quaint pollen
if people use them outside their effective ranges then thats on them and not the weapon's balance
midnight nimbus
if SMGs actually had meaningful spread increase, maybe you could justify buffing them at range 🤔
BFV SMGs are the most accurate in the series
orchid iris
@latent cairn Ya, so there is also an issue of recoil... you are right that medics might be hurt a lot more because they are getting further into their recoil penalty as they shoot more vs the other weapons, making those final shots dispropotionately harder to land than other weapons. And as you said, also probably disproportionaly effected by ammo
midnight nimbus
just unusable velocity
viscid crater
@tropic nest gonna be a hard pass
viscid crater
That ain't it chief
little zenith
My fuckin' win ratio is like at 10% cuz dice puts me on shit ass team every damn time
midnight nimbus
all SMGs
little zenith
best game
tropic nest
Found on the real bf subreddit
“that way someone else’s daughter would finally be able to play the game without crying”
dense bone
lol no
little zenith
10/10
median raven
But even at CQ SMGs are inferior
viscid crater
@little zenith that's not how it works
dense bone
ive played smgs in all the bfs i played
little zenith
exactly.
midnight nimbus
like numerically, SMGs are the best they've ever been in BF
little zenith
it works for me
dense bone
...
little zenith
cuz i never win a game lol
midnight nimbus
they just cater poorly to BFV maps
dense bone
thats why literally everyone complaing about smgs?
little zenith
even tho i'm always at like top 3
viscid crater
@little zenith I solo queue 90% of the time. My win rate is 48% I think
quaint pollen
@tropic nest plz link me that reddit
median raven
KE7 excels in all areas against a smg at CQ
dense bone
storm just did a poll for bfv, and "all smgs" got voted the worst gun
GUN
wait
not worst
midnight nimbus
reddit opinions man
dense bone
but top 3 i believe
midnight nimbus
people too brainlet to use SMGs right
plush flume
I solo queue all the time and I’m like 52%
orchid iris
group think is a hell of a drug
midnight nimbus
stop dumping them
little zenith
why im loosin so much
dense bone
as i said, ive been smg on bf mostly
midnight nimbus
or use MP34
median raven
What do you mean stop dumping them
dense bone
2.0 kdr with suomi
quaint pollen
the best way to use an smg is not at all ~some dev probably
dense bone
the gun sucks outside 10 yards
solid hinge
but within those yards..
viscid crater
@little zenith mines less. Its more about playing the objective
dense bone
oh yea, its a monster in the effective range, which basically means they are a shotgun
solid hinge
cause for some reason they don't actually have a shotgun
solid hinge
hipfire to winnit
viscid crater
Just hip fire xD
topaz elbow
little zenith
@viscid crater I always place top 3. welp most of the time.
but my team is shit
always
plush flume
So the better TTK is on Core?
tropic nest
little zenith
dunno why
tropic nest
Stand together brothers in hating BfV
viscid crater
@little zenith take medic or assault and focus either tanks or heals. Do anything you can to help the team.
tropic nest
Let’s all go back to bf4 so the servers aren’t dead anymore
solid hinge
hey what should i spec for my staghound, rate of fire increase or spotting scope
orchid iris
This game doesnt cater to my exact play style, omg this game is so broken
viscid crater
@tropic nest that ain't it chief
median raven
Spotting scope would be more benefit to the team
solid hinge
thats what i was thinkin
midnight nimbus
just hipfire hero it
dense bone
its not even good in burst
solid hinge
gonna play a infantry support stag
dense bone
the jump left to right is worst at the beginning
midnight nimbus
Suomi is still more accurate than most BF4 SMGs