battlefield-legacy-titles

[midnight nimbus]

it's xfactor's "aim at the chest, and drift up to the head" meme

[regal sapphire]

MP34 is the only gun I have fun in the med class

Rn

[midnight nimbus]

whereas in BF1, if you miss the head with your first shot, your spread isn't good enough with your consequent shots to hit the head anymore, so you have to go for body

[regal sapphire]

Also, what a great meme guys, not giving anything to the boring, most non diverse class on the first update

[serene patrol]

I'd kind of hope it's a fun gun, it's a MP34

[midnight nimbus]

plus, smaller heads in BF1 was great

headshots should be hard

[serene patrol]

I want to use an MP34 as assault, I wish medics didn't have all the SMGs

[regal sapphire]

It is fun :3

I knew I was gonna enjoy it the most aswel

aswell

That's the only reason I kept playing the med class

Before I had it, I used the sten

I didn't enjoy any of the other guns

[serene patrol]

the sten is always not that fun, in every WW2 game ever

[regal sapphire]

The EMP is alright though, its not very fun still

It's not fun, but I did the best with it

So it stuck

[serene patrol]

I can't figure out which support gun I like the best. I have all but the last 2 unlocks

I like the lewis gun, but the sten is a bit more usable

[compact oxide]

The MP34 is great just because of the looks tbh, the great gunplay just makes it better

Sten on support?

[serene patrol]

oh sorry, meant Bren

[compact oxide]

Ah gotcha

FG42 is king

[regal sapphire]

I haven't played support, like at all

[serene patrol]

It's not as fun tbh

compared to BF1 support

[regal sapphire]

I have more fun with Assault

So I just play with it

[serene patrol]

The gadgets currently available are all boring

[regal sapphire]

I just wish that we could have different sights

[serene patrol]

yeah I'm really itching for that BF4 style weapon customization.....but it's WW2 so limitations I guess

[regal sapphire]

No it's not like that

I just want to switch goddamn reticles

I hate the british reticle

[serene patrol]

oh

[compact oxide]

Same

Reticles and zoom

[regal sapphire]

^

[compact oxide]

They've got the infrastructure but haven't put it inn

[regal sapphire]

Zoom

Gib pls

[compact oxide]

I want to have true 1x on my irons

Not this 1.5x

[serene patrol]

It's "coming soon" probably

[regal sapphire]

Like everything ever

[serene patrol]

"we'll work on that the next patch, we promise"

[regal sapphire]

Jesus... what retard made the "you can only unlock this gun on the 27th because fuck you" mechanic?

[compact oxide]

Time based skins I can understand

[regal sapphire]

The first unlocked gun I'm not even gonna use

[compact oxide]

Weapons? Yeah fuck off

[regal sapphire]

The Vickers K just sounds boring

So I'll have to wait for another bloody week to unlock something I actually want to use

Staggered content release much

[serene patrol]

what is this? an MMO? lol

[compact oxide]

I was just saying in another discord it's reminding me of Destiny 2

[midnight nimbus]

isn't the Vickers K similar to the MG42 in RoF?

irl

[regal sapphire]

No

[ripe epoch]

What time is patch going live??

[regal sapphire]

Well roughly, it can be adjusted

[midnight nimbus]

wiki says 950-1200 RPM, can't say another high RoF LMG sounds that interesting

actually eh, there's a lot you can do to DPS without touching damage or RoF

[ripe epoch]

What time is bf five patch coming out???

[serene patrol]

It's been delayed, they havnt announced a date yet

[ripe epoch]

Ok thanks

[indigo kelp]

^ How normal people react to a delay

[opaque hinge]

[compact oxide]

WAAAAAA MUH DELAY

[opaque hinge]

reeee

[compact oxide]

That's how battlefield players react to a delay

[regal sapphire]

Tbh

[opaque hinge]

more like cause this isn't a one off - this has been happening since bf4

[regal sapphire]

It's not really because of the delay itself

[compact oxide]

I'm pretty pissed tbh

[regal sapphire]

It's because we already knew that DICE wasn't gonna uphold their Live service bs

[opaque hinge]

plus they delayed the game 1 month, now they delay the first update

just not a good track record at all

[indigo kelp]

My only ree was i thought i was 47 but im 45

back to the meat grinder

white paint on face

must haz

[opaque hinge]

plus as of 9am this morning they gave us the time that they're gonna launch it tomorrow, and then like 6h later they reverse their stance and say they found a bug

but if the update was completed 1 week ago, and was ready to ship out this morning, then why the hell wasn't any QA done in the last week? how was it only found right before it was supposed to ship out? someone didn't do their job

[regal sapphire]

It was completed way before 1 week ago

Panzerstorm was already playable before the launch

[opaque hinge]

then how the hell did they break it in between then and now

pretty sure this is why we're all pissed lol

[thorn heart]

i love it

[zealous void]

hello there

https://i.imgur.com/LRQ598F.mp4

gif

bf5 gif

[thorn heart]

day 3 of rotterdam 1 and 2 german steamroll

[zealous void]

enjoy lol

[thorn heart]

announcer says jdk why were bombing rottrrdam but fight lol

[full nimbus]

Morning

[mossy badge]

👋

[indigo kelp]

In reality the luftwaffe never got the cease due to miscommunication so under german control or not it would have been bombed

and good morning

[little fjord]

Hyped for this week's updates

[opaque hinge]

this decades more like

[little fjord]

[nova pivot]

Vickers K is better than an MG42

[little fjord]

nou

[solid hinge]

never understood why the vickers was also a detatchable weapon for the support in BF1

[midnight nimbus]

vickers wasn't in BF1

[mossy badge]

That's a different Vickers

[solid hinge]

they should have made the LMGs in all BF games do single fire mode when the player was running / standing

and then have it be automatic fire when the player was prone

that would be the best

[mossy badge]

How about no

[solid hinge]

?

lol

Forgotten hope 2 does it

Pretty sure BF2 did it as well

[mossy badge]

This is not forgotten hope 2

[solid hinge]

Well?

[midnight nimbus]

Perino kinda looked like a Vickers medium machine gun

but wasn't

[solid hinge]

It makes support much better

[midnight nimbus]

nah, reverse spread was fine

[solid hinge]

Not at all a troll post

[midnight nimbus]

force support to lay down sustained fire

[mossy badge]

I honestly really prefer BFV's way of MMG's and such

[solid hinge]

Well yeah but support shouldn't be running and gunning with an LMG

like BF1 did

I have to say BFV is leaning closer to it

[mossy badge]

Because they technically weren't supposed to be LMG's

[solid hinge]

where the player needs to be prone to use the LMG

but realistically they should have done the same in BF3, BF4, and BF1

[mossy badge]

Hence the new MMG role.

[solid hinge]

would have balanced the class

[mossy badge]

Mate, there's a difference in carrying an air cooled modern medium machine gun, to carrying a water cooled (at the time) Heavy machine gun.

[solid hinge]

I mean

both machine gun teams from both eras used them the same lol

[mossy badge]

Yes

[solid hinge]

any LMG user would go prone and use the weapon

that's how it should be

[mossy badge]

That's not the point.

[opaque cipher]

Hold up

Slug 12g can one shot?

[solid hinge]

Depends

[mossy badge]

Apparently

[solid hinge]

up close you can do one shots

[opaque cipher]

I just nailed two heads and both died

[solid hinge]

yeah that's collateral damage

or something

[compact oxide]

Slugs are made for the headshots

It's the shotgun sniper

[solid hinge]

snotgun?

[opaque cipher]

Nice

Surprisingly good hipfire tho

[mossy badge]

Real men use M30 Drilling

[solid hinge]

It's a shotgun lol

[opaque cipher]

I do lol

[solid hinge]

I don't think it'd fare well in ADS

[opaque cipher]

It doesn’t

But hey

[solid hinge]

you'd probably get your shoulder blown off

[opaque cipher]

I’ll take it over piss for damage after 5 meters

[strong gorge]

do you need to get headshot kills with drilling for proficieny?

[compact oxide]

That would be a nightmare

[nova gazelle]

guys

im trying to finish mastery 7 for ke7

whats a good mode for that

20 kills in 1 round in objective area

[thorn heart]

damnn

almost broke 100 kills this op

ended 94 44 as medic

singlehandedly carried my team

[compact oxide]

@nova gazelle breakthrough

@thorn heart what gun? 👀

[thorn heart]

mp28 and mp34

i used the 28 for day 1 and 2 since i was attacking as germans

34 used in frontlines since its longer range and slower paced

[midnight nimbus]

you're supposed to be ADSing with shotguns

[thorn heart]

finally hit lvl 20 aswell so gonna try the tommy gun

[midnight nimbus]

that's how you get the gud dispersion

people cried about 10-A Hunter in BF1 when in reality it's worse than the Factory when you just hipfire

[compact oxide]

I always ads with shotties anyway

[midnight nimbus]

which is what most people do

M30 Drilling is way better than any BF1 shotgun though

worse shotguns in the (modern) series

[thorn heart]

starting to kinda enjoy ops but only the rotterdam one

[compact oxide]

Imagine if the drilling got the doom secret reload

[thorn heart]

still totally stupid it progresses no matter what

german announcer even said "it is unclear why we bombed rotterdam when we already control the city but fight on"

like hes questioning his own actions

[compact oxide]

I think there should be more positives/ negatives for major victories

[thorn heart]

we should have partial victories for airbone

3/4 obj should be rewarded still

[compact oxide]

Someone else said the Luftwaffe didn't have good communication and would have bombed irl anyway

[regal sapphire]

What? Rotterdam?

[jovial forge]

Secret reloads would be a cool easter egg, however keep em short, small, simple n sweet

[regal sapphire]

The dutch surrended before the deadline, but the Bombers were already on flight when the germans got the surrender transmission

[jovial forge]

Doom Drilling is a hard yes though

[regal sapphire]

The Germans allegedly tried to contact the bombers but they didn't respond because, 1: they actually didn't bother sending anything; 2: They already had their antennas retracted for high altitude bombing

[cinder radish]

Good afternoon peeps. Any news on the battlefield about the patch today. Its 2:30pm 4/12/18 here.

[regal sapphire]

No more patch T

was delayed

[compact oxide]

So the guy on the frontlines sees the bombing and goes "wtf why"

[jovial forge]

Delayed

[cinder radish]

Omg lmao

[compact oxide]

AAA game studio guys

[jovial forge]

I know, saw it coming though. Hope it's not a recurring thing however

BFV will be available post launch

[cinder radish]

I suppose ya set a date. Then need to get things done by that date becomes difficult when hitting road bumps

[regal sapphire]

You have to trust us on this guys, we'll make the content we promise you

[jovial forge]

Least they saw a problem before releasing to the public

[regal sapphire]

Content gets delayed, and it's released in such a shitty format it's not fun

[jovial forge]

My body is ready for Armored Kill

[amber notch]

Full vehicle cosmetics aren’t even coming with the release

“Body”
Coming soon:

The only some what decent looking tank skin is the last tiger one

[jovial forge]

Thought they were. I saw vehicle camos in that trailer

[amber notch]

No no

Camps are coming

Body cosmetics aren’t

Like putting grass on the tank gun

Etc

Stuff like that

[jovial forge]

Oh. Shame, having a grassy tank rolling around would be nice

[amber notch]

Camos*
Auto correct

[jovial forge]

My does it to

[amber notch]

That’s what he last tiger basically is

[jovial forge]

Mine*

[amber notch]

It has a mesh

Like over it

It’s pretty cool

[rocky verge]

What time will this update be out

[amber notch]

We don’t know

Was delayed

[jovial forge]

I want to change the gender of my pilots

[amber notch]

[thorn heart]

really enjoying the tommy gun but its getting nerfed this patch

[amber notch]

@jovial forge it depends on what gender you were before jumping into a plane

[thorn heart]

needs extended mags badly though

basically every smg needs extended mags to be viable

[amber notch]

If you played female on your last class you picked your pilot will be female

[thorn heart]

not true

[amber notch]

Before you picked*

[jovial forge]

@amber notch PowAll my character are Male and yet my pilots a forced female lol

[amber notch]

@thorn heart

[thorn heart]

all classes i have are male and pilots are still female

[amber notch]

[jovial forge]

I know it weird

[amber notch]

It changes when I select a male character

If I pick my female support class on Allies, my pilot will be a female

If I pick a male assault allies my pilot will be male

[jovial forge]

Lucky you

[midnight nimbus]

whew character customization + current visibility is gonna be interesting

relaaa already messes with that

make an outfit that just makes you invisible

[jovial forge]

Dont zerg flags and you should be fine

[pseudo saffron]

If you have to look if you're male or a female while in a bomber you're doing it wrong

[solid hinge]

but zerging flags is fun

I love getting cut to pieces by mortars.

[amber notch]

As angel joe said in his review “Why the fuck do females scream so loud”

[jovial forge]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

when's the YT breakdown for optimal camping outfits?

[amber notch]

Angry joe

Ffs

[mossy badge]

Goddamn him

[jovial forge]

I saw he has a new review of bfv out, gotta watch it

See his 180

[amber notch]

It’s good

Better than Fallout 76

[pseudo saffron]

lol

[jovial forge]

76 is a trainwreck

[mossy badge]

I mean, BF4 at launch was better than FO76

🤷

[amber notch]

Honestly he thinks when the first dlc is out it will be easily a 6-8

[solid hinge]

Fallout used to have really grim shit in it, then it was bought by Bethesda

[amber notch]

Playing Fallout

[solid hinge]

all the really grim apocalypse stuff was sort of pushed to the background

[amber notch]

[jovial forge]

It's funny how clickbaitors are still using the bfv trailer and old news of Sunderland insults

[amber notch]

Sales are down 60%

That click bait

Like Jesus

[jovial forge]

Yet it's based off the UK

[amber notch]

Joe got super pissed about youtubers doing that

[solid hinge]

BFV trailer was OK, in my opinion.

[amber notch]

Stats are taken from Amazon

And they are physical editions

[solid hinge]

not great, but I like the crazy amounts of shit happening for little reason other than "just because"

[amber notch]

One thing I did not agree with is the time it takes to find a game

It’s instant

[jovial forge]

LOL right. Some even site the bionic female which is nowhere in sight now

[thorn heart]

sorry to my teammates who i always dip out on early i just want my medic mastery outfit faster lol

[amber notch]

Medic mastery is trash

[solid hinge]

I really dunno what was up with the lady who had a prosthetic arm in the trailer

[amber notch]

That was the most boring one I did

Recon was more enjoyable

[thorn heart]

i think veiled threat looks good

ezcept the headgear

[jovial forge]

She's gone and frightfully so in a sense

[thorn heart]

outfit looks alright

its ez so idc

[amber notch]

[jovial forge]

However the prosthetic arm is legit, some guy did participate with one

[thorn heart]

once i finish this outfit ill prob move onto support or assault

[solid hinge]

I guess it was a way to show off what you could customize your character to look like, but her prominent featuring in the trailer made it look like she was going to be a/the main character of Battlefield V

[thorn heart]

will prb do support while the kek7 is still a thing

[jovial forge]

Multiplayer trailers should always come second to the big reveal ones

Someone got it backwards 😂

[solid hinge]

also I wish people would play Back to Basics in BF1

[thorn heart]

i thought the trailer was co op?

or was it mp who knows

co op is nowhere to be seen tho

[jovial forge]

Could be considered both

I still want that katana though

[amber notch]

Everyone in the twitch chat got angry at the practice range because they thought you could not test planes

Lol

Then they showed it

[rocky verge]

I need to see all the tank and plane skins

[amber notch]

@rocky verge only decent one is last tiger

[civic cedar]

Some of these arguments, I'm losing braincells

[amber notch]

Not joking

[jovial forge]

Theres always that gaggle of fools ready to REEE at anything

[amber notch]

And full body cosmetics aren’t coming yet

[solid hinge]

full body cosmetics?

[amber notch]

As in putting grass over your tank

Stuff like that

[solid hinge]

I too want to charge into battle in an 19th century diving suit

[amber notch]

Isn’t coming yet

[rocky verge]

6 Sherman's:Americans! Coming from the dude in a tiger that can 1 shot them

[amber notch]

[jovial forge]

A real man fights a panzer at close range!

Still waiting for m4 Sherman's and us faction

[solid hinge]

real men climb into the enemy tank and fight them right then and there

[amber notch]

A real man fights a tank with a knife and wins

[rocky verge]

We dont use bazooka in Russia we use Molotov cocktail

[sleek tartan]

[solid hinge]

oh boy I can't wait for the soviet union to be a DLC for BFV much like France was in BF1 😡

[rocky verge]

True anti tank killer

[amber notch]

DLC is free

Who cares

[rocky verge]

Nah

[amber notch]

New content every month basically

[jovial forge]

I wish bfv had silly soilder callouts like company of heroes.

[sleek tartan]

if soldiers do not scream cyka at some point from the USSR faction I'll be angry and disappointed.

[amber notch]

Unless they delay it

[rocky verge]

We need negan from The Walking Dead to just One-Shot the panzers with his Bat

[jovial forge]

Lol

[solid hinge]

part of me wants to see BFV go the route of full wacky player customization but I also want to see some more historically accurate accessories

[jovial forge]

Nah, we need to get Ramirez from MW2 to do everything for us

[solid hinge]

or just do both and have the option to turn off silly cosmetics

[amber notch]

@rocky verge trying to suck up to me

[rocky verge]

[amber notch]

[thorn heart]

aaand medic mastery 2 done

last one

[rocky verge]

Ramirez GET THAT PANZER

[solid hinge]

🏏

[thorn heart]

easy as cake

[rocky verge]

No

[solid hinge]

RAMIREZ, TIE MY SHOELACES

[rocky verge]

[jovial forge]

Ramirez, take down that plane using this throwing knife!

[sleek tartan]

one way a single guy with simply a granade could defeat a tank, one thing I asked the developers to add to the game but I guess was deemed not prioritary was a kind of melee takedown to tanks. You'd need to get in extremely close range to the canon, without getting shot, and throw a nade inside it.

[solid hinge]

melee takedown for tanks

[rocky verge]

Ramirez use this bipod knife and kill a tank

[solid hinge]

I already know this either won't be implemented, or people will fucking hate it

[jovial forge]

BF wise, Wrecker took a chopper out with a nade launcher

[sleek tartan]

I mean in the current state of tanks I'd understand it.

[amber notch]

They won’t add that

Lol

That would be too op

People would just troll tanks

[rocky verge]

Nah add negan bat instead

[sleek tartan]

I gave this feedback meant for incursions, in there the tank was mainly dominant

[rocky verge]

[amber notch]

Bait them into a street

That’s it

[sleek tartan]

and it made more sense

[amber notch]

Jump onto the tank

It’s over

[mossy badge]

You foking wot.
There is no way you can simply take out a tank with a grenade

[amber notch]

Stick a flamethrower into he hatch

[sleek tartan]

lul

[rocky verge]

We need negan Pow

[solid hinge]

just open up the hatch and toss in your preferred explosive device. this chunky salsa recipe serves 8-20

[mossy badge]

You can't open the hatches

WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK YOU CAN

[solid hinge]

flamethrower would work theg are paper tanks

[rocky verge]

He is true tank killer

[jovial forge]

I dont like how people deom the enemy team jump on my tank

Wish its roadkill em faster

[mossy badge]

TANK HATCHES ARE LITERALLY CLOSED FROM THE INSIDE

[rocky verge]

When a recon jumps on a tank

U win

For now

[solid hinge]

@mossy badge I do believe these mentions of "opening the hatch" are an attempt at humor, whatever that may be

[mossy badge]

MY GOD MAN

No, its actually something a lot of people really believe

[amber notch]

Thinking of buying company of heroes 1 just to kill time

[solid hinge]

with enough explosives, you can open up a tank from any direction

[mossy badge]

Get Blitzkrieg mod for it @amber notch

[solid hinge]

or 1 assualt

[sleek tartan]

Well in real life if you explode a granade inside a tank canon and it happens to have a high explosive round, it certainly can set it off and kill them all

[amber notch]

Just drop a v2 on it

[rocky verge]

Don't you hate it when enemy's just jump on your tank and...its a pesky recon

[amber notch]

Easy fixed

[sleek tartan]

making it op or not would be down to design imo

[amber notch]

@rocky verge drive into a building

[jovial forge]

Jawohl, attacking their armor with my rifle

[amber notch]

See them stay there when you do

[sleek tartan]

if you have to do something to throw it in i might be okay. Press F to take down would be dumb.

[solid hinge]

I think a hand grenade exploding inside of a tank cannon would simply destroy the barrel unless the grenade somehow reached near the breech 🤔

[strong gorge]

@sleek tartan seems perfectly balanced tbh

[mossy badge]

A grenade would most likely not damage that much of the interior of the barrel, and chances that the HE round would just completely fuck up the breech, but it won't most likely do that much else.

[obsidian fossil]

@amber notch a v2??????

[strong gorge]

teach tank players to play together with infantry

[jovial forge]

I hate when recon try to use me as a taxi cus o know his assault friends will spawn on him

[solid hinge]

I agree

[thorn heart]

imagine the kek7 being nerfed but its buffed "on accident"

[jovial forge]

Good god

[sleek tartan]

@solid hinge no, overpressure of normal shots is greater. Only if there's an HE round and it does set off in there subsequently it would create something.
https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-a-grenade-was-thrown-down-the-barrel-of-a-tank

[jovial forge]

Ke7 just needs more recoil if you ask me

[sleek tartan]

Also, yes, it does fuck up the tank.

[jovial forge]

Just so you cant laser it while standing

[sleek tartan]

Has happened a good bit

[solid hinge]

either way, I still don't think you could destroy a tank with a hand grenade like that. maybe destroy its ability to fight, but I don't think you'd kill anyone beyond the gunner or whoever is seated closest to the cannon breech

[jovial forge]

Grenades can kill tanks, it's just to do it takes massive balls

[amber notch]

That’s right the v2 isn’t in the game yet

[solid hinge]

if you want "disable a tank with a single grenade," a molotov cocktail over the engine bay does wonders.

[mossy badge]

@sleek tartan that link doesn't mean much since its modern vehicles

[amber notch]

Been playing so much RUSE tbh

[mossy badge]

And that T72 at the end being completely fucked up, is because the russion carousal of death.

[jovial forge]

Oh I thought you guys meant irl tank vs grenade

[solid hinge]

if the fire/oil does not damage any components of the engine/transmission, all the fire may potentially choke out the engine's intakes and make the vehicle stall 🤔

[sleek tartan]

@solid hinge you must understand that the high explosive charge isn't meant to explode inside the barrel

if it goes off there, hole thing goes boom

[solid hinge]

no kidding, but the breech of a tank cannon is very sturdy

[mossy badge]

and any ammo near would detonate.

[jovial forge]

Armor is weakest inside

[sleek tartan]

the idea is to make it go off with the granade, not to do damage with the granade itself.

hence only if there's an HE round loaded, it can do something

[jovial forge]

Shoving a grenade in a vulnerable spot can do some serious damage or kill the crew outright

[sleek tartan]

and by the way, tactic was readily used in urban fight in WW2 and more recently by the crazy muslims lul

[mossy badge]

I mean APHE/APBC would also do a bit of damage

@jovial forge Depending on what tank we're talking about, it really varies

[jovial forge]

True

[sleek tartan]

When I proposed the idea, it was meant for Incursions BF1. I don't know if you tried it, but it featured the Renault with the short barrel canon.

[solid hinge]

wedge grenade into viewing slat of vehicle, big for kraut bastard inside

[sleek tartan]

There, it made a lot of sense, and would have made for very fun moments 😛

[mossy badge]

Won't do shit @solid hinge

[sleek tartan]

As balance, I proposed you needed to do it with the AT nade

[solid hinge]

🤔

[jovial forge]

In game wise, it would be OP and should lot be implemented

[sleek tartan]

Idk man, its not easy to shove a nade inside a tank canon

[jovial forge]

Just cause youd have idiots zerging tanks all day

[strong gorge]

its totally not OP

[sleek tartan]

I don't mean to add it some sort of animation that does it alone

i mean manually shove it in there

😄

[solid hinge]

yeah??? why can't we just disable a vehicle's tracks with a regular rifle bullet????? it was definitely possible in real life, and several training videos even encouraged it

[strong gorge]

it will teach the tank how to operate with a team

[mossy badge]

@solid hinge can't tell if serious or trolling

[solid hinge]

[sleek tartan]

@solid hinge many vehicle's tracks were made of iron, hardly easy to disable with a single shot

[jovial forge]

You can already play peek N hide with tanks. No need for more

[sleek tartan]

if you mean a heavy machine gun, sure

[mossy badge]

Also depending on what tank it is

[sleek tartan]

anyway, i just liked the idea in Incursions because the tank meta was very strong

tanks in bfv suck

😄

[solid hinge]

there was literally a US training video that suggested riflemen aim at a vehicle's drive gears/track links in an attempt to disable the vehicle

[jovial forge]

Incursions maybe but not for bfv

[solid hinge]

either way, I wouldn't want a mechanic like that actually in the game though

[mossy badge]

In an attempt yes @solid hinge
If they had AT Rifles, it would make sense.

[jovial forge]

I figured Incursions was a low key effort to teach players the basics of bfv

[mossy badge]

and if the tank was reasonably, not a big heavy tank

[sleek tartan]

Well as I said some were made out of iron, some others were not, and not all the same sturdy

[solid hinge]

it was specifically against japanese tanks, but I imagine the tactic would work on lighter vehicles of other nations

[sleek tartan]

could be plausible in some cases why not

[mossy badge]

It mostly depends on size and thickness

[sleek tartan]

you could also shoot out the scopes of the gunners in the tanks

[jovial forge]

Thicc

[sleek tartan]

but yeah a bit op

[mossy badge]

Won't say its OP

[solid hinge]

I mean, hucking a large rock into the drive sprocket would be a pretty good way to get a vehicle to pop a track or at least have some mobility issues

[mossy badge]

Depends on the tank as well

But a large chunk of metal would work better

[solid hinge]

I can't imagine many vehicles would take well to that lol

[sleek tartan]

nah mate, most rocks arent that hard

thats why it was a big deal when we entered the iron age

bronze age

etc

most rocks would get dusted

[versed notch]

anybody else crashing with the new nvidia drivers

I had to roll back cause I crashed 3 times already

[sleek tartan]

Didn't install them, always expect some issues

got words that 1050ti and 1060 owners have issues with them

so enough for me to not install

[versed notch]

yeah 1060

[sleek tartan]

yeah google it up, idk my self, guy on the chat commented it

i asked if my 1080ti would be okay and he said so

but still hate rolling back

[versed notch]

my friend with a 1080ti had experience crashes as well with the recent drivers

[sleek tartan]

then fuck it

i have 0% crash rate right now

[thorn heart]

ugh

fuck

[sleek tartan]

and new drivers apparently don't offer performance increase to non rtx uses

[thorn heart]

im getting tilted

10 kills in a life or 10 resupplies on squad in a life

idk how to do it ez

[sleek tartan]

@thorn heart jump squads at the begining

when in the first flag

[thorn heart]

HOLY SHIT GOOD IDEA

[sleek tartan]

you wellcome bru

[thorn heart]

but its resupplies so they need to be hirt

[sleek tartan]

hate challenges

nah, support can resupply once at the begining

or you need medic?

[thorn heart]

well as medic i cant

yeah

[sleek tartan]

ah, sorry then

i did that on support

[thorn heart]

idk i might just jump squads like that too

[sleek tartan]

was easy once i jumped squads

[thorn heart]

as medic tho

and just hold back

[sleek tartan]

it might work on clusterfuck maps too

you just lay back and if your squad is full hp swap to another one try again

[thorn heart]

ill try frontlines

[sleek tartan]

it works better at the begining, because people are all together

[thorn heart]

when we defend everyone is together so ill just jump squads heal then jump again

or 10 kills in a life so idk maybe just camp hardcore

yeah ill camp hard on domination first

[unborn blaze]

Did Tides of War just get delayed?

[thorn heart]

yup

[unborn blaze]

Goddammit

[mossy badge]

1 day apparently

[unborn blaze]

Hmmmmm

Remember when they found issues in the beta

And they delayed the game a month

[thorn heart]

YO

WTF

[mossy badge]

That was the beta ...

[thorn heart]

the red beret guys headphones say I T BAG

[mossy badge]

[unborn blaze]

o shit

[indigo kelp]

I used the Semi Auto weapons Assault Rifles and Bolt Actions, jfc it takes zero effort

panzerfaust everything than clean it with a gewher

what is this

its so insane how much damage assault class does, and the snipers can easy headshot with these constant open spaces

[compact oxide]

@thorn heart I did both the 10 kills in one life and 10 squad resups on a breakthrough map

[mossy badge]

I easily do 40+ squad resupplies a match

[indigo kelp]

-theres no patch for people only playing assault and recon-

[compact oxide]

Hey they're buffing assault weapons

[unborn blaze]

Why

[compact oxide]

Specifically the sturmgewehr and stg

[unborn blaze]

That needs to be reversed

[indigo kelp]

Good point, Battlefield aVVault class

[solid hinge]

Stg needs a buff

[compact oxide]

It really doesn't

[unborn blaze]

Auto assault weapons need a nerf

[compact oxide]

I used it for a fair while at it had a niche

[steep radish]

So

ILL TELL ABOUT THE STORY OF THE JOKER AND THE THIEF TONIGHT

Also anything new for medics

[mossy badge]

I'll tell you all about the story of the joker and the thief in the night

[compact oxide]

@steep radish the SMG buff is the only new thing for medics

[midnight nimbus]

no, StG and SG 1-5 changes are very good

[steep radish]

Fuck

[jovial forge]

Just looked at a portion of angry Joe's video complaining about ttk

[compact oxide]

Except the Thompson is getting a damage nerf to be the same as Every Single Other SMG

[midnight nimbus]

literally removes the "rock paper scissors" aspect that people hate

[compact oxide]

Screw having diversity

[jovial forge]

His ass is out in the open fighting guys who had high ground lol

[midnight nimbus]

Thompson change is fine too, doesn't change BTK

[jovial forge]

And he had no recoil control

[mossy badge]

Yeah, i really couldn't manage to watch half of the video @jovial forge
Things like that just pissed me off

[compact oxide]

I have so little faith in youtubers opinions of games nowadays

[indigo kelp]

Because ea pays for em

[mossy badge]

The little faith i still have is with Westie.

And its a tiny fucking amount

[midnight nimbus]

you mean the biggest shill?

[mossy badge]

Flakfire maybe a bit more.

[midnight nimbus]

jjika and relaaa had the best reviews by far

[indigo kelp]

flakfire hasnt said anything

[thorn heart]

ugh

[jovial forge]

I occasionally watch Flak, GGG, Lossy, Pelican and westie

[midnight nimbus]

because they're actually the best BF players out there by far

[thorn heart]

its making me get tilted

[compact oxide]

They both have annoying voices flakfire and westie

[indigo kelp]

I guess you could say he is, dodging the flak

[thorn heart]

i van do 10 in a life but when im pressured by a challenge i just stupidly get wasted

[indigo kelp]

[jovial forge]

While I like how good Stodeh is at playing Recon, I dont like how people try to say the class is OP when he's getting clips flexing on scrubs

[compact oxide]

Recon is annoyingly balanced

[midnight nimbus]

why listen to YouTubers who are either bad at the game, don't understand the game, or both, when you can listen to the two players who understand the game and play it better than everyone else

[compact oxide]

It's great if you can hit heads

[bright chasm]

😦

[rustic bobcat]

Any tips for 20 kills on an objective?

[jovial forge]

Unfortunately the mouth is louder

In a round or overall?

[rustic bobcat]

In a round

Not sure if I should do Conquest

[jovial forge]

Breakthrough, conquest and grand ops

Best options

[viscid cypress]

Frontlines games last forever most of the time

[jovial forge]

Frontlines can work to if you willing to put up with the campy style

Or run the risk of infinite rounds glitch

[rustic bobcat]

Any recommended maps? I'm thinking devastation

[jovial forge]

Any map you good with

Playing the game naturally is the best method tbh

[viscid cypress]

I haven't had an infinite round glitch in a very long time.

And also those aren't actually infinite, just very long.

[jovial forge]

Neither have I, last frontlines I played carried the team as Recon.

It was weird outplaying all those assaults but hella satisfying

[compact oxide]

@rustic bobcat breakthrough for sure mate, as that's where 90% of the fighting happens

[nova gazelle]

ke7 mastery 7 is so hard

[compact oxide]

What is it?

[nova gazelle]

20 kills in objective

[compact oxide]

Easy

[strong gorge]

while defending?

enemies dont have to be on the objective

[nova gazelle]

they do

[compact oxide]

Play a couple of rounds on breakthrough

[strong gorge]

you just have to kill while inside

nope

[solid hinge]

i should main being a vehicle user in bf 🤔

[strong gorge]

wait

[nova gazelle]

thats not true

[amber notch]

Obj kills are easy on breakthrough and grand ops

[strong gorge]

is this kills on objective?

[nova gazelle]

both have to be inside

[strong gorge]

or defend?

[solid hinge]

but when i get in plains it takes so many mouse swipes to control the plane

[nova gazelle]

yea

[amber notch]

The area is huge

[solid hinge]

planes*

[strong gorge]

while defending or attacking?

[rustic bobcat]

The enemies def have to be on it

[strong gorge]

because I am sure there is a mastery where you need to get defend objective kills

[nova gazelle]

yea thats before

this is the last mastery

[strong gorge]

I just went with /60

[compact oxide]

The last one is only in a life or in a round

I'm dreading the last gold one for the MP34

A LOT of hipfire kills in a life on objectives

[midnight nimbus]

BFV is decent for vehicles at least

[compact oxide]

Lol, talk to any tank main and they'll slap you

[midnight nimbus]

use 38t with mine launcher

I've heard some guys at DICE like it

turret can't cover 360 reliably anymore

but mines can

and just use the bomber man, why not?

it's in the game

[compact oxide]

Eww

[midnight nimbus]

casual is just a mentality, if you're not casual, why not abuse everything you can in the game?

that's all that separated comp players and casual players in the past, when BF had something of a scene

why commit to ADS when you could euro hipfire?

why fly some other plane when you can JU-88 carpet bomb

[amber notch]

Because they are decreasing the amount of bombs you have

And the reload time on the rockets now

[midnight nimbus]

it's still gonna be good

[amber notch]

Jesus

That’s long

[midnight nimbus]

it's still a better illya

[amber notch]

Oh it’s good

Lol

I couldn’t care

And maybe the max rank has been increased

They hinted it a few times in that stream like damn

[midnight nimbus]

why does max rank even matter?

never understood why people got tight about that

doesn't affect how you play the game

[amber notch]

Company coins

[jovial forge]

Who said tanks were decent?

They're ok at best

[amber notch]

Been at level 50 since second day of premier

[midnight nimbus]

bruh just use tanks to cheese with the spotting scope and mines

[jovial forge]

Splash is wack against infantry at times

[amber notch]

Trust me it’s fucking shit

Not getting anything

[jovial forge]

Panzerfaust everywhere. Recently had a guy chiding me for not charging in on the objective

Yet ignores the panzerfaust spam flying my way

[thorn heart]

these challenges are fucking brutal

[glad wasp]

I heard company coins are fixed

[thorn heart]

making me go insane

[glad wasp]

You get 500 for win and 200 for loss

Retroactive fix still being worked on

[compact oxide]

@glad wasp yeeeeeeah it's not that good

[jovial forge]

So 1k cc in two games if won. Nice

Better then that wack 100 scraps bf1 had

[compact oxide]

You didn't need scraps to upgrade weapons

[glad wasp]

Care to elaborate manic?

[compact oxide]

That's not very much in the grand scheme of things when you'd get 1k for ranking up

[glad wasp]

IDK 500 for a win sounds decent

[compact oxide]

Which is quite frequently until you get to 50

If they added levels of course atlfter 50 where you get another 1k each time I'd be happy

[glad wasp]

Let's say you play an hour a day, and you win one loss 2 plus your 300 daily that's 1200 for an hour gameplay

[compact oxide]

As it is I have only enough to upgrade stuff, can't even look at skins

[glad wasp]

If you play 2 hours that's 2400 cc

[compact oxide]

Doesn't double the 300

[glad wasp]

So you would get a full set in 6 days

Seems fine to me

With only 2 hours a day too

Oh right my bad

[jovial forge]

A grind like that is acceptable to me, compared to how some others have done

[glad wasp]

So it's 500+500+200*4+300

[amber notch]

What

[jovial forge]

Plus are we already generating cc y gun leveling

Arent

[glad wasp]

So 2100 cc a day for 2 hours of play

I think a skin is around 14000

So maybe 7 days ish

If you win more even quicker

[jovial forge]

More like 15000. Its 14,900 for the writer

[glad wasp]

This is assuming you have a 33% win rate

[jovial forge]

Essentially playing the game and not getting curb stomped in matches will pay off

[glad wasp]

Either way, I'm ok with, something to grind for is nice

[compact oxide]

Grinding for coin imo is the worst possible implementation of a grind

[amber notch]

[jovial forge]

Would you rather the retarded achievement system bf1 had?

[glad wasp]

Everyone hates grinds, but it's what keeps people coming back

[jovial forge]

Where cheese needs to be involved

[glad wasp]

Look at Warframe, successful game grindy as fuck

[compact oxide]

I'd prefer running public events in D2 for exotics

Unironically yes

Yes

[jovial forge]

Ok that got me to laugh

Gg

[glad wasp]

At least you can unlock the exact skin and not be rng

Already a big improvement imo

[jovial forge]

Right. Bf1 is by far the worst when it comes to achievements

[glad wasp]

Look at overwatch for example

[compact oxide]

Lootboxes 🤢

[jovial forge]

Use the infiltrator to get a melee weapon like wtf

[glad wasp]

Also 60$ game

[jovial forge]

Plus disgusting lootboxes

[glad wasp]

How many maps have overwatch got since launch

[compact oxide]

It's basically a skin for a melee weapon

[bright harbor]

Is the new patch out or is it delayed

[jovial forge]

Overwatch disappoints me with how little of maps they fot

[glad wasp]

Delayed

More info tomorrow

[compact oxide]

I heaps enjoyed the system in BF1, was something to get me out of my comfort zone and collect them all

As is it's just a pure grind through matches

[glad wasp]

Dice found a last min issue

[opaque cipher]

Do melee actually break wood now

[strong gorge]

I better get my fucking unlocks with the patch

[compact oxide]

No

[glad wasp]

No, you can shoot them with a gun

[jovial forge]

Better to find problems then release a mess

[strong gorge]

I'm missing some golden parts

[opaque cipher]

Fuck

[glad wasp]

Just shoot

Also, you can body slam out of windows

[compact oxide]

You can also break windows in one melee instead of two/three now

[opaque cipher]

If you hit the frame that is

[thorn heart]

so fucking tilted r1

rn

ttk is so low 10 kills in a life os a fuckingnjoke

[midnight nimbus]

bruh BFV has a high TTK for a BF game

[rustic bobcat]

TTD is the problem

I'm surprised no one is talking about how slow you earn credits in this game

[indigo kelp]

you know a game is a sniper assault fest when you get two dog tags and that is best

[old karma]

Im glad they got rid of the sweet spot mechanic. It was a nifty idea but it got really old really quick

[indigo kelp]

Now everyone just aims for the head

[rustic bobcat]

Are all snipers only one shot kills to the head?

[indigo kelp]

Bolt Actions

[old karma]

'only'

Yeah only the bolt actions

[rustic bobcat]

Figured there would be at least one that was a one shot to the upper chest at least

[old karma]

God no, it'd be the only one people used

[rustic bobcat]

True lmao

It was needed

[old karma]

Honestly I think people got too reliant on the sweet spot mechanic

Recon isn't really supposed to be a killing machine

its more support

spotting, picking off LMGs, spawn becons

etc

Granted you can be an absolute beast if your aim is good

[midnight nimbus]

sweet spot is the only meaningful way to differentiate between bolt actions, otherwise you either just pick best RoF or best velocity

also every class is supposed to be a killing machine, just in different ways

[old karma]

Id argue against that

[compact oxide]

Bullet drop, damage model

[old karma]

They're not 'supposed' to be killing machines

[compact oxide]

Control

[old karma]

They CAN be

[fair gazelle]

Is The Last Tiger released?

[regal sapphire]

no

[old karma]

but they each have different roles

[midnight nimbus]

recoil and spread don't mean anything for BAs

[old karma]

nah, soon

[midnight nimbus]

neither does damage model really

[glad wasp]

Semi autos were stpuid good in bf3 too

[midnight nimbus]

2-2 BTK

OHSK

[glad wasp]

Bf4 nerfed them to the ground

[midnight nimbus]

unless you wanna be like the BF4 scout elite, which sucked

[regal sapphire]

You may deal 80 damage with the Gewehr 95, but you still need 2 shots for a kill

[compact oxide]

Damage makes a huge difference if you're playing close

[glad wasp]

And then gave it to all classes

[sacred junco]

what was the point of the scout elite

[ripe epoch]

Tire of being one shotted by the Lee.

[old karma]

To be fair, attrition has an interesting effect on snipers too

[compact oxide]

As you need all the damage you can get to finish them quick with secondary

[old karma]

You can get plenty of one hit kills if you're not aiming for fresh faces

[compact oxide]

^

That too

[glad wasp]

Headshots are pretty easy tbh

[compact oxide]

Attrition helps snipers with that

Headshots are eh

You on console?

[glad wasp]

Bullet velocity is pretty high on all bolts

No, p

[midnight nimbus]

tfw the gunplay designers design guns around 100hp engagements but attrition fights against that

[glad wasp]

Pc*

[compact oxide]

Ah good

[midnight nimbus]

bullet velocity is low

like BF4 levels

and it has drag

so effectively lower

[opaque cipher]

Use high velocity rounds

Halves drag

[glad wasp]

IDK, feels pretty easy to me compared to bf1

[old karma]

Also I feel like people underappreciate aggressive recon where you just take a bolt action without the scope

it can be really quite fun

[glad wasp]

Headshot wise I mean

[midnight nimbus]

bc big heads in BFV

[glad wasp]

Probably yeah

[compact oxide]

@old karma that's all I play as recon 😛

[midnight nimbus]

also who said BF3 semis were good?

they're historically bad

[glad wasp]

Me, you don't think so?

[midnight nimbus]

your 2BTK range is near irrelevant

[sacred junco]

kinda weird bfv has similar head size as bf4

feels bigger

[midnight nimbus]

it's like 15m

[glad wasp]

They were shit in bf4 imo

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 DMRs were way better than BF3 ones

[opaque cipher]

BF4 at least had the SKS

Spam heaven

[glad wasp]

Bfv had that one dmr that was 2 hit body kill

Forgot the name

[old karma]

ZH

Still does that

[sacred junco]

I dunno were they? or were ARS too controllable for DMRs to be meaningful?

[opaque cipher]

Nerf ZH tbh

[glad wasp]

I mean bf4

Sorry

[old karma]

o

[midnight nimbus]

BF3 and BF4 DMRs had retarded SIPS

so you basically have to pace them all the time

[glad wasp]

This is true

[compact oxide]

ZH is balanced

[midnight nimbus]

if you max RoF a BF3 DMR, you're at hipfire levels of spread after 2-3 shots

well, hipfire levels for an AR/SMG

BF1 hit a sweet spot for semi auto spread

[sacred junco]

Its kinda weird. I thought semis in BF1 were in a good spot

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 semis are really good

[glad wasp]

Definitely have to pace shots with bf3/4 dmr

[midnight nimbus]

i'm talking about how they suck in BF3/BF4

[sacred junco]

Decent options between high rpm and low rpm guns

[glad wasp]

Still fun though

[sacred junco]

controllable spread

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 SLRs were well designed in general

[sacred junco]

not too accurate in long distance

[midnight nimbus]

spread only punishes you if you're playing too far or dumping and missing

plenty accurate for range

[glad wasp]

I guess all the bfv recon semis are the bf1 rsc

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, except without spread increase

[sacred junco]

but not so easy to use still compared to BFV

[midnight nimbus]

so now, you just mindlessly dump

[glad wasp]

They said the sebastlader 1906 is a recon gun

[midnight nimbus]

BF3/BF4 = you have to pace
BFV = lol just dump all the time

[compact oxide]

That 1906 ❤

[sacred junco]

I dumped the 1906 all the time too

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, 5 round SLRs in BF1 were dumpable

[regal sapphire]

That 1906 that we'll have to wait 2-3 weeks to have a chance to get it

[compact oxide]

The 1906 was great for mag dumping

[midnight nimbus]

you don't hit bad spread bc you don't have enough rounds

[glad wasp]

I wonder what the garand will be when it comes out

[old karma]

Didnt someone take a screenshot from the twitch thing that showed the Ribeyrolles as a recon weapon too?

[compact oxide]

No recoil or accuracy downsides

[old karma]

I swear it was recon

[midnight nimbus]

too bad 1906 in BFV won't be high RoF 😦

[glad wasp]

Also recon? Garand only have 7 rounds

[midnight nimbus]

Ribey is Assault

Garand is Assault

[old karma]

Garand has 8 doesnt it?

[midnight nimbus]

yea

[sacred junco]

Maybe the mad men actually will have it as a high rpm SLR

[midnight nimbus]

probably not tbh

[glad wasp]

You sure? Seem like clip size is an issue

[old karma]

Nah Garand will def be an assault gun

[midnight nimbus]

universal damage models within classes

[sacred junco]

I just kinda wonder what they can do to differentiate SLRs

[old karma]

Support will get the BAR

[compact oxide]

300 rpm scout gun?

[old karma]

Recon will get the Grease gun

[cloud garden]

so its delayed😥

[glad wasp]

It will stuck compared with the turner smle

[sacred junco]

it seems to be basically the same guns with slightl difference in 2btk range and rpms

[old karma]

Recon will prob get a springfield

[compact oxide]

It'd be up for scout having the 1906 in the same form as BF1

[regal sapphire]

Recon will get a grease gun? what

[midnight nimbus]

kinda disappointed in how they handled AL8 vs RSC in BFV

[old karma]

wait did I say recon?

[compact oxide]

I'd love it to bits

[old karma]

Medic

I meant medic

[regal sapphire]

Yeah lol

[sacred junco]

I think something like an AL8 having similar properties as a Gewehr would've been fine

The BF1 AL8

[glad wasp]

Hopefully we can get the m2 carbine for medics maybe

[sacred junco]

so that the easy spam could be offset by low mag at least

[midnight nimbus]

nah, BF1 AL8 would really struggle with how they made the Turner SMLE

unless you gave it like 80m 3BTK

[sacred junco]

I guess semis in general besides the 1916

[midnight nimbus]

or gave it 15 round mag by default

[glad wasp]

Turner is so good how can the garand compete?

[old karma]

I actually don't mind the system they're using for weapon unlocks going forward, though it depends on how long you'd have to wait to unlock if you missed the challenges.

[sacred junco]

Dunno about Gewehr 5-1

[old karma]

Or you know, just let people buy the gun with CC

[midnight nimbus]

Garand is probably getting 3-3 damage model

[old karma]

Garand will probably be a 3hk

[midnight nimbus]

DICE tends to go with authenticity when it comes to damage models

[civic cedar]

Just me or does Gewehr 5-1 just feel 2 weak?

[old karma]

2 if its head and body

[glad wasp]

Still bad with 8 rounds and single bullet reload

[old karma]

huh

[midnight nimbus]

might end up being high RoF G43

[old karma]

it has a stripper clip

[midnight nimbus]

8 rounds is plenty for a semi

[glad wasp]

Partial reload*

[sacred junco]

Funny G43 was the meme high rpm gun in CoD

[old karma]

you're better off firing the whole mag

dont bother single reloading

[midnight nimbus]

get two kills, reload

[old karma]

cause the stripper reload would be like twice as fast

[glad wasp]

Eh..idk Turner hold 20

[solid hinge]

nice got kicked by punkbuster

[compact oxide]

If you don't fire the whole mag you miss the ping

[glad wasp]

And g43 reload with magazine

[amber notch]

[midnight nimbus]

i wouldn't be surprised if M1 Garand is 3-3 BTK 360 RPM

gives you a reason to use it over G43 and Turner

[glad wasp]

So garand better do something real special for 8 rounds

[midnight nimbus]

better than both, harder to manage reload

[sacred junco]

They could still let you release the clip and reload

[compact oxide]

Oh god it would be the new god gun

[sacred junco]

slow as it is its still an option

[glad wasp]

Be really slow to dump the clip no?

[midnight nimbus]

if it weren't for conslol, semis would have so many more options for RoFs

[old karma]

The BAR is gonna have to hit like a truck too

[midnight nimbus]

nah, BAR is probably getting the same damage model as all the other support guns

[sacred junco]

KE7 is basically proxy Bar

[glad wasp]

I'll more looking forward to the Soviet guns

[sacred junco]

with 5 more rounds

[midnight nimbus]

remember, universal damage models when possible with DICE

[glad wasp]

Svt40 will be fun

[compact oxide]

FG42 is new bar

[midnight nimbus]

just gonna be a 600RPM 20rnd KE7

[glad wasp]

Also the garbage rod

[old karma]

It'd be cool if they gave you a fire rate selector on the BAR

accuracy or rof

[glad wasp]

No that sucked in bf1

[midnight nimbus]

that would actually be crazy good with the BFV damage model

[old karma]

actually it'll probably just be a spec

[midnight nimbus]

it sucked in BF1 bc they messed up the spread model

[glad wasp]

Who wants slower firerate

[sacred junco]

depends on the recoil characteristic tho no

[midnight nimbus]

in BFV, slower firerate would be super helpful

[glad wasp]

Idk, can always burst fire

[compact oxide]

If you're going distance you've got an option for control tho

[midnight nimbus]

nah, with the BFV spread and recoil formulas you'd have like no spread and no recoil with 360 RPM BAR