battlefield-legacy-titles

[solid hinge]

DICE isnt nintendo. they cant just delay shit to next quarter

they got shareholders to take care of

[icy sluice]

lol

[solid hinge]

this launch wasnt that bad

i've seen worse

[icy sluice]

Think of the SHAREHOLDERS

[solid hinge]

yeah

think of them

cause they are your money source

[vernal plover]

server i was in disconnected 😦

[solid hinge]

and keep you employed

[obsidian fossil]

Wait the updates delayed?

[icy sluice]

They targeted shareholders, SHAREHOLDERS, let that sink in

@obsidian fossil They've run into a snag but it won't be a huge delay

[obsidian fossil]

So is it a matter of hours or like a day delay?

[rocky verge]

Will the stuka B2 be good in this map with its cannons

Since it was used to hunt tanks

[icy sluice]

Not confirmed but I think the latest will be a day or so

I wanna die by a Stuka

[solid hinge]

i set monitor to 60hz. are you guys triggered yet

how many planes are going to be there per side on panzerstorm map?

[icy sluice]

I keep dying by the JU88 but never a Stuka, please kill me with a Stuka

[obsidian fossil]

Okay, thanks

[icy sluice]

@solid hinge I think 3

[obsidian fossil]

I wanna hear that scream and then explode 😩

[rocky verge]

6 tanks and 3 planes for each side seems good

[solid hinge]

What if it's a sick joke and it's going to be released tomorrow

[rocky verge]

The Americas just rolling threw in the last tiger

[icy sluice]

That'd be pretty funny

[rocky verge]

So I'm guessing the last tiger is in 1944

[icy sluice]

Probably

[rocky verge]

If I see a blue tiger rolling around

It might be raptor

People complaining about the Americans not being in the game

You will see them!! Only in war stoires

For now

[solid hinge]

paid skins or assignment skins. which ones are more cool?

[clever tulip]

WOW! if the BFV reveal trailer was something similar to this Chapter 1 trailer in tone, style, etc....BF V would have been the highest selling BF ever.

[solid hinge]

80 euros for "Super rare" skin

screencap this

[clever tulip]

the people still holding out need to realize this is legit WW2 style now.

[fathom pebble]

so far there's no skins that are buyable with the use of IRL money or paid currency in BFV

[icy sluice]

J0ker, tell me a joke.

[solid hinge]

just wait until update

[fathom pebble]

even with the new update coming its all with company coins that are only aquirable through playing the game

[solid hinge]

Yeah but someone had to fuck the reveal up

[onyx sorrel]

face it games a failure

[solid hinge]

80 euros for one skin

[icy sluice]

[solid hinge]

gonna be a thing

[icy sluice]

It'll be like $5 for a uniform set

[onyx sorrel]

controversy aside

[solid hinge]

yeah for rare

[spare belfry]

wait

so are servers fucked

or not

[icy sluice]

Server Browser is kinda screwed atm

[solid hinge]

following battlefront footsteps

Well then

[icy sluice]

I can't do a search for Conquest for some reason

[solid hinge]

since the update might not be released up until next week

normal skins are 15€

[opaque hinge]

reset filter

[spare belfry]

oh

[solid hinge]

I can't play it

[opaque hinge]

it fixes it

[spare belfry]

i cant start the game

[solid hinge]

That means,

[spare belfry]

thats nice

[icy sluice]

I have to reset the filter and then put it back on?

[solid hinge]

back to BF4 it is

[spare belfry]

stuck verifying with origin

[opaque hinge]

yes

reset filter and put it back on

[spare belfry]

thats cool

[icy sluice]

Heh, odd... I'll try it later

[opaque hinge]

yeah its odd

i just want my balance fixes + shooting range

:/

just don't release the buggy stuff lol

do 2 updates

[fathom pebble]

afaik about the boins there's 3 listed currency cards in a spanish site

[sacred hull]

i hope the new update comes

[opaque hinge]

[sacred hull]

this game is slowly becoming painful to play

[opaque hinge]

3 different currencies?

[sacred hull]

ke7 needs that nerf quick

[fathom pebble]

5€ - 500 boins
10€ - 1050 boins
20€ 2200 boins

thats what I know about it so far

meaning this will be most likely the ammount you pay for and what you get equivalent ingame

[icy sluice]

Okay, so I think weapon skins packs will be 5 Euros then

[solid hinge]

is 500 boins 5000 cc?

[icy sluice]

You can only buy cosmetic items with boins

Fuck, you got me saying Boins now

[spare belfry]

stop saying boins

[fathom pebble]

cosmetics means - weapon skins, soldier cosmetics and vehicle cosmetics

nothin else

[solid hinge]

so 20k skin is 20 yuros

[icy sluice]

It'll be a full uniform set then I imagine

[fathom pebble]

thats what the are for

[solid hinge]

yes

[icy sluice]

Well, actually.

It'll be two uniform sets because two factions

[fathom pebble]

most likely full set wont go over 1500

[solid hinge]

can't wait to see people with 40€ costumes

20 for weapon 20 for clothes

[fathom pebble]

I mean besides that maybe they'll give you the option to get to buy the whole set or buy separated parts

since you already can with company coins

you can buy the whole bundle which is cheaper then buying all 3 pieces separeted

[solid hinge]

300cc for per day isn't fun

[fathom pebble]

I think they already fixed the bug about level 50 not getting cc at the end of each round

[solid hinge]

takes me like 50 days to grind for one set

gg dice

[opaque hinge]

idk ive been level 50 for the longest time and my cc balance hasnt increased at all

they said they fixed it but it doesn't appear so

[fathom pebble]

besides those who didnt got their cc and were already level 50 they're getting that fixed with tomorrows patch

[icy sluice]

Also, tides of war assignments will give you company coin

[solid hinge]

well that's not helping me much

[icy sluice]

There will be a lot of assignments it looks like

[solid hinge]

already 50 won't unlock me upgrades

[opaque hinge]

tomorrow's patch isnt happening tho

:/

[marble phoenix]

Are grenades and rockets considered explosives?

Or just trip wire and dynamite?

Working on an assignment

[fathom pebble]

think it was one day delay nothing else

[marble phoenix]

“7 explosive kills in one round”

Shit is tough

[icy sluice]

What class does it say is for?

If it's assault, use dynamite, frags and the PIAT.

Preferably on Fjell

[marble phoenix]

All those count as explosive?

[rocky verge]

49-8

Ju88 player

FUCCCCCC

[icy sluice]

I mean... they explode

I completed that assignment with just the PIAT.

[marble phoenix]

Oh damn if you did it with the rocket launcher cool

My ass was running around with the dynamite trying blow people up

[icy sluice]

You could still do that and it counts

[plush flume]

Dang how long do you think we’ll have to wait for the update it come out now?

[vernal plover]

pubg time

[plush flume]

Pizza time

[strong gorge]

gaming time

[rocky verge]

Spawn in dies to ju88 spawns agine....dies to ju88

[thorn heart]

nice the update is delayed tmmrw

[topaz elbow]

[merry ivy]

I feel like air to air combat in this game is extremely shallow

[viscid cypress]

You mean like every game ever?

[merry ivy]

every battlefield game you mean?

I was hoping this one would be different

[viscid cypress]

No, every game

[merry ivy]

uh

I think War Thunder gets it pretty well

[viscid cypress]

Air combat is always just "fly in circles till someone gets bored and decides to die."

[indigo kelp]

If you guys want your game not to suck again make a movement to stop gaming companies from using meta critic for sales estimates

[merry ivy]

its not fly in circles

[indigo kelp]

otherwise have fun next year

[merry ivy]

if you turn and turn in real WW2 air combat you can get your ass handed to you by a more experienced pilot

but all you can do in BFV is turn and turn or just accept fate and die

[viscid cypress]

Like very game ever

[merry ivy]

because all the planes handle like UFOs

no

in WT for example I can fight against 4-1 odds if I maintain altitude and speed advantages while playing to my aircraft's strengths and against my enemie's weaknesses

very little actual turnfighting in some cases

[viscid cypress]

You can't change my mind

[merry ivy]

wierd, I wonder why pilots in real life and players in realistic air combat games do things other than turning

you must know more than all those historical fighter aces

if only they just turned and turned and turned

[viscid cypress]

Good job arguing against arguments I didn't present

[merry ivy]

in some games with realistic air physics, I can get an enemy to stall out

only time that happens in BFV is when they turn down the throttle

but why would they do that? all props are UFOs that have better TWRs than modern jet fighters

[viscid cypress]

"You can't change my mind"

[merry ivy]

and why even is that

is this a sarcasm thing?

[slate zephyr]

All i want is at plane like bf1

I liked sniping people with the front cannon

[merry ivy]

you mean the broken tank hunter that two hit fighters while also having a back gunner

[slate zephyr]

But bfv logic i probly can upgrade it with 7x cannons in front

[strong gorge]

irl pre vietnam war irl air combat is like tha

that

fly until someone gets bored and die

not much you can do if your main offense is shooting someone from behind with a machine gun

[merry ivy]

its not just about that

its how you get onto that position behind them in the first place

and you can hit them from the sides too

or the top.. or the bottom...

[strong gorge]

yeah but its the same concept

[merry ivy]

or even a head on if you're feeling lucky

[strong gorge]

just shoot someone

where they cant shoot you back

ez

you can even shoot him in the front if you angle yourself

[slate zephyr]

I wish their was a war story mission for flying

[merry ivy]

weird, in WT Spitfires can outturn me yet I eat them in my 109 for breakfast

[strong gorge]

to follow your train of thought

[merry ivy]

maneuverability isn't everything

if you can stay above an enemy and they can't pitch up to get you without stalling, you have them stuck

and you have total control over the situation

[strong gorge]

theres something like that in battlefield tho

[merry ivy]

no there isn't?

[slate zephyr]

That into into bfv where u were frying i want more of that

[merry ivy]

planes in this game can't stall

[strong gorge]

yeah there is

[merry ivy]

they have TWRs over 1

they're all UFOs

[strong gorge]

you can

[merry ivy]

if they hold down their throttle

but why would they do that

[strong gorge]

so its stalling then?

lol

[merry ivy]

but that's them intentionally killing themselves

again

why would they do something like that

[strong gorge]

you said you cant, I said they can, then you said they can if they do this

:^)

[merry ivy]

no, you can't cause an enemy to do that

[strong gorge]

point being, you can

[merry ivy]

because they won't intentionally stall themselves so you can kill them

yes, YOU can do that to yourself

[strong gorge]

alright thanks

[merry ivy]

but you can't do a maneuver to stall out YOUR enemy

[strong gorge]

thats all I needed to confirm

[merry ivy]

the only other way to stall out is by hitting the brick ceiling where engines completely starve of all oxygen

[strong gorge]

in game? you can increase your max altitude

theres an upgrade for it

[merry ivy]

yes, you can increase it

[strong gorge]

so if someone doesnt have that upgrade

you wont stall before them

[merry ivy]

but its still a brick wall at some altitude

[strong gorge]

yeah but your brick is higher than theirs

so you can stall em out

[merry ivy]

its not by very much

[strong gorge]

really? wasnt really able to test

I thought it was significant

[merry ivy]

and in that case, they're down there

you can't get them

and if you go down there its the same boring turn turn turn

with no depth

[strong gorge]

yeah well thats his argument

[merry ivy]

yeah, that's how it is in THIS game

and that's what disappoints me

[jaunty ginkgo]

Where can bugs be reported in this discord? Just here in this chat?

[strong gorge]

this discord isnt affiliated with dice or ea

[merry ivy]

this

take it to the subreddit, they might see it there

or the forums

either one, probably the forums actually

[jaunty ginkgo]

but in latest stream they said discord too

[strong gorge]

ping one of the Ea/dice people

lmao

[jaunty ginkgo]

is there different discord where dice/ea is?

kk

[strong gorge]

idk, but from what the mods told me we arent it

[opaque hinge]

er i wouldn't ping anyone from dice/ea

[strong gorge]

why not

[opaque hinge]

mods will get upset

[strong gorge]

not like they can ban you

[opaque hinge]

you're not supposed to

well up to u

just fair warning

[strong gorge]

why are they even here then wtf

just to flex?

[charred matrix]

without 3d spotting, planes are now fucking useless, and all because Dice didn't want you firing at "red dots"

[strong gorge]

weird flex but okay

[topaz elbow]

Lol

[opaque hinge]

up to u m8 don't say i didn't tell u

[merry ivy]

planes are hardly useless against the ground

[split dagger]

Just bomb objectives and hope

[merry ivy]

drop on flags, get close to see infantry and vehicles

[charred matrix]

then tell me

[merry ivy]

I personally dive bomb with a Stuka and see the little black dots running around

I bomb those

[opaque hinge]

not like bombers go 150-0 all the time without 3d spotting

oh wait they do

[charred matrix]

why the fuck am I getting no kills with planes on fjell when I drop bombs on objectives that are fucking clustered with people

[opaque hinge]

idk you just suck then

[charred matrix]

98 damage

95

[opaque hinge]

cause people get like 200 kills

[charred matrix]

92

[merry ivy]

you are bombing the objective, not the people on it

[charred matrix]

20

11

[opaque hinge]

with bombers

[charred matrix]

10/10

[merry ivy]

objective =/= enemies on ground

[charred matrix]

cant see them at all

[opaque hinge]

welp don't be bad

my only advice

[merry ivy]

they aren't all sitting around the flag

look and see where they are

hell, ask your team where they are

look for muzzle flashes, moving dots, whatever

[strong gorge]

u serious?

[charred matrix]

dont be bad huh, im level 45 with both assault and support maxed out, yeah, im fucking awful

[opaque hinge]

you're being too logical

[strong gorge]

bombing is hella easy

[opaque hinge]

see

everyone except u thinks bombers are op

[charred matrix]

well I guess im one of the few

[opaque hinge]

and wow congrats level 45

[merry ivy]

I think the JU88 is overpowered but I'm still trying to decide on the Stuka

[charred matrix]

who thinks that 3d spotting being removed is fucking retarted

[opaque hinge]

so big now

[inland solar]

Can we talk about the patch of water in the beginning of the first story mission before the plane junkyard. There is patch of water that looks stretched out and ghey

[merry ivy]

3D spotting being removed does indeed get rid of the 'shooting at red dots'

[strong gorge]

its okay, there's always been disparity in skill from grunts on the ground and airboys

[cerulean finch]

please not temporaly mission for unlocks the new arms

[viscid cypress]

Planes make tanks irrelevant anyway.

[strong gorge]

you wont be getting much kills from 4x 250/500 lbs bombs i can tell you that much unless they're clustered

you get more kills from 20 x 40lbs bombs

[inland solar]

I think in WW2, real soldiers thought bombers were OP after they dided from them

[strong gorge]

from the german bomber

[charred matrix]

I got 60+ kills a round while in a plane back in BF1, yes, im a ground boy

im horrible at being an ace

[merry ivy]

the only aircraft I can fly at this point are bombers, not because fighters are useless, but because its such boring stuff

turn, turn, maybe kill, then die when my elevator is hit

at least bombers will have defensive options

defensive maneuvers in fighters don't work against pilots who know what they're doing

[inland solar]

Sounds like real life breh

[merry ivy]

but in real life you could do a scissoring maneuver

or extend outwards if your plane accelerates faster

[inland solar]

And much like real life we should learn to deal with these planes by you know shooting them. no one shoots them with their guns to prevent healing

[merry ivy]

or do a downwards spiral, wasting both plane's energy

three main options in real WW2 combat if you can't shake a tail

[inland solar]

Infantry players are dumbasses really

they dont heal to allow for more bodies to take a point and they dont build fortifications

[charred matrix]

yes, 80% of people are dumbasses

[inland solar]

breh make it harder for them to take the point jesus

[charred matrix]

well, more like 90%

shroud, dumbass

[inland solar]

The only mode that I enjoy is breakthrough

[charred matrix]

dr disrespect, complete dumbass

can we just ban them

since theyre so bad

[inland solar]

people actually heal, build fortifications and revive

[jaunty ginkgo]

can we start with you Myric

[charred matrix]

sure

or you could leave

[jaunty ginkgo]

oh, wow, that hurt

[inland solar]

Also too many people in chat in game. I feel that the added women have made men pussies

[strong gorge]

caesar is talking about how people dont play objectively

[inland solar]

too much talking, play the match pussies

[charred matrix]

why is this a problem now?

it happend in BC2, Bf3, Bf4, and Bf1

[inland solar]

In game chatting?

[charred matrix]

yes

[inland solar]

because I personally feel bfv was made to be more squad oriented

less talking in chat, more squad play

[merry ivy]

but I need to throw out all the German/British stereotypes

[inland solar]

Unlock your damn squads too goddamnit

[merry ivy]

like when a tank shows up and I'm playing german

"hans, get ze panzerfaust"

"hans"

"HANS"

[inland solar]

More flanking less dumbass going to the point everyone is taking

[strong gorge]

too sweaty for me

[inland solar]

Also I need mustaches

[strong gorge]

I like talking to people

[inland solar]

talking is for women

[strong gorge]

haha

[inland solar]

shoot me

shoot me in game

[merry ivy]

Why, only the best standard-issue British mustache would do well for our fine people, yes sir

[inland solar]

stop chatting in game and shoot me

[strong gorge]

no

[merry ivy]

We the British can simply intimidate our enemies with superior facial hair, yesssss

[inland solar]

fuck you then

ill shoot you

keep typing

[charred matrix]

rarely is chatting a problem

[merry ivy]

no, I will chat all I want

[charred matrix]

and if I do its when im waiting to respawn

[inland solar]

it's a problem because there is too much of it

you know how many kills ive gotten from a person typing in chat

[charred matrix]

I see 4 or 5 guys max having a conversation

[inland solar]

the best kind

[merry ivy]

then why are you complaining

[charred matrix]

i dont ever see people

[inland solar]

because I get aroused from it

[merry ivy]

then why are you complaining

[inland solar]

I get aroused from it, that means release of endorphans

makes me feel good fam

[merry ivy]

yeah, back to what I said

why are you complaining about it

[jaunty ginkgo]

he probably have under 1KD and feels great when he finally gets a kill

[inland solar]

I enjoy it

[merry ivy]

then

WHY

ARE YOU COMPLAINING

[inland solar]

let's talk more about my arousal

[merry ivy]

IF YOU ENJOY IT

[inland solar]

because i enjoy it

I do what I enjoy

[merry ivy]

oh I see what this is

[inland solar]

I have a little over 1 KD

[strong gorge]

I seriously doubt youve gotten a ton of kills from people typing

[inland solar]

and what

come at me

[merry ivy]

wow aren't you the tough guy

[inland solar]

I am pretty tough thanks

I love trolling yall

[merry ivy]

make sure to use the extra serrated fedora when taking down those libtard chatters 😎

[inland solar]

makes me hella aroused

libtard ey, when did you discover the definition of libtard

just curious

[merry ivy]

epic style ownage from da pleaser

😎

[strong gorge]

The moment you admit to trolling you lose your cred

[merry ivy]

this

[strong parrot]

is this #battlefield-legacy-titles ?

[strong gorge]

Just shitpost and feign it as ignorance

[merry ivy]

its pretty much just acting stupid and explaining it away as 'trolling'

[strong gorge]

Much funnier that way

[inland solar]

yup let's be serious now guys

[strong gorge]

Especially to the people who know you are

[inland solar]

let's take this serious

[solid hinge]

Does anyone have access to the Patchnotes for the delayed patch?

[inland solar]

I dont think it was ever delayed

it was scheduled to come out on the 4th

[solid hinge]

it is the 4th

[inland solar]

Not in America

[merry ivy]

they better add my boi hawker hurricane

[inland solar]

Trumplandia is the center

[icy sluice]

Don't catcha sleepin' now

[solid hinge]

taken from the official twitter
The team has discovered an issue with the #battlefield-legacy-titles Chapter 1: Overture update. Rather than create issues in the game, we’re holding the update for the time being. We don’t anticipate a long delay and we’ll be back with more news tomorrow or as soon as we have it.

............In other words,
It was delayed

[inland solar]

is that not a story mission

[sacred hull]

What is the first tides of war going to be about?

Africa?

[inland solar]

I dont twitter

[solid hinge]

yes it was supposed to come with the update for today

[inland solar]

I dont care about story mission

[solid hinge]

@sacred hull Its about being the last commander of a Tiger tank while fighting off the americans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPB8XFtRjOo

also new weapons and a map + many more will be added

[sacred hull]

Wow that looks insane

[solid hinge]

I know right

[sacred hull]

Much better marketing

[solid hinge]

true that

[strong parrot]

have all those weapons already been named

well i know the lmg

[solid hinge]

Give me a sec

[strong parrot]

i could probably look in the sub reddit but...its easier to ask here

[solid hinge]

the Vickers K
the Selbstlader 1906
the AG m/42, and more!

[mossy badge]

I read M1919 somewhere

[strong parrot]

wait..dont we already have the 1906?

[mossy badge]

Like ages ago

No, we have the 1916

[strong parrot]

oh ok

still havent touched it

[civic cedar]

in before "patch has been delayed a month" Kappa

[strong parrot]

so people are pissed because dice made a trailer for the patch tomorrow last week probably...and set it to release at X time today...and then at some point after it happens they discovered a glaring issue with server instability and decided to hold the patch for another day and that triggers people?

[civic cedar]

Just a meme

Good patch > broken patch

[solid hinge]

People are triggered left and right cuz they cant wait for all the nerfs they have been praying for

[strong parrot]

its like the marketing department responsible for the trailer arent the people who are finding the bug with the patch

[civic cedar]

ke7 turds will be happy

The big thing i've been waiting for is level 50 fix, cant gain company points LUL

[solid hinge]

I think the ke7 will get a reloadspeed nerf. Oh and the company coin problem will be fixed with this patch

[civic cedar]

Yeah exactly, cant wait, so many weps I wanna upgrade

But simply cant lol

Ke7 recoil nerf, specialzation nerf & reload time nerf

[solid hinge]

meh, I outgun every ke7 that I encounter . Just use the FG42

[viscid cypress]

FG42 is pretty bad.

[zealous stone]

I outgun everything because I dont have the game

[solid hinge]

Not really. It could be better, but it kills faster than the ke7

[zealous stone]

FG42 looks fun to use

[solid hinge]

it is

[viscid cypress]

And is much more innacurate compared to every other LMG

[zealous stone]

so?

who cares about accuracy when you're firing that fast

jk

[viscid cypress]

People who want to kill beyond 10m?

[zealous stone]

ik ik

I dont have the game yet

[icy sluice]

It's got a bipod

[solid hinge]

are you engaging people at 200m? If yes then use the MG34

[viscid cypress]

You're right 10m and 200m are the only engagement ranges in the game.

[compact oxide]

Fg42 is a laser on the bipod

[solid hinge]

FG42 up to 50m, MG42 up to 150m, MG34 up to 250m

[zealous stone]

Anyone know if pc version is cheaper anywhere else (by an amount more than just like the $50 sales on G2A?)

nvm its at 52 now

[viscid cypress]

So is every other LMG on a bipod

[zealous stone]

OOH

KINGUIN IS 38!

[viscid cypress]

Without the tiny magazine and bad un-bipodded accuracy

[solid hinge]

But FG42 is faster than every lmg and has a insanely fast reload

[compact oxide]

I just wish the MP34 had a bipod

Instead of a useless bayonet

[viscid cypress]

Great, high RoF only matters at close range

[merry ivy]

I wish the Liberator had a bipod and a bayonet

along with a scope

and maybe some gold customization

[compact oxide]

High rof is king

[solid hinge]

Korey learn how to control the recoil or stick to your KE7

[viscid cypress]

I don't use the Ke7

I use the Lewis gun

[merry ivy]

I use the Bren

[compact oxide]

Oof

[merry ivy]

because uh, reasons

I like the funky mag

[solid hinge]

lewis? even less recoil than the KE7

[merry ivy]

reminds me of the Madsen

[compact oxide]

Lewis is the polar opposite of the fg42, no wonder

[merry ivy]

Bren and Madsen are very similar in both games

nobody uses them because of obstruction

they fire at very similar rates

very low recoil

[solid hinge]

Bren could use a specialization buff.

[merry ivy]

I typically gravitate towards guns that are balanced if not underpowered and get rarely used

because worse case, its impossible for them to get nerfed

and best case, they get buffed

[solid hinge]

I would love to use it but I want to spend my company coin on other weapons first

[viscid cypress]

Well considering they buffed already good guns, I don't think that matters.

[merry ivy]

yeah but that's only after one beta

and this is the first rebalance of the guns accessible to everyone

[viscid cypress]

I'm talking about the upcoming patch

[solid hinge]

Do you have the patch notes?

[merry ivy]

the upcoming patch is not their only opportunity to change gun balance

they will make further changes, as they always do

see how players react

[viscid cypress]

The sneak preview already tells you they buffed ARs

[solid hinge]

AR? Like the STG44

[viscid cypress]

Yes

[floral tinsel]

だまろうか

[compact oxide]

Stg44 and sturmgewehr get increased damage

[merry ivy]

the SMGs are also getting buffed and those are their competitors in CQC

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, they get 4BTK mins like every other automatic weapon

[compact oxide]

For "reasons"

[viscid cypress]

No, not at all

[merry ivy]

LMGs are already versatile, I don't see an issue

[viscid cypress]

SMGs aren't really getting CQC buffs

[midnight nimbus]

universal 10m 4BTK min >>>

[compact oxide]

SMGs are only getting range buffs

[merry ivy]

ah yes

that

but I never said their CQC is getting buffed

[compact oxide]

Less bullet drop, less damage drop-off and faster velocity

They still lose out to things like the 1907 which sucks

[solid hinge]

@floral tinsel あなたはばかです

[viscid cypress]

SMGs aren't getting a buff compared to their competitors if their competitors are also getting the same buff

[compact oxide]

ARs are getting different stat changes

[viscid cypress]

SMGs will be the even worse option in CQC now.

[merry ivy]

wait is DICE serious

"M1907 SF to 0.41 (previously 0.39)"

wow, 0.02, that'll balance it

[compact oxide]

Is that the reload?

[merry ivy]

horizontal recoil

[compact oxide]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

0.02 is a good difference

gives the SG 1-5 more relevance

[viscid cypress]

No ARs are gaining 4HK, and 1M Max damage, SMGs are getting 1M Max damage, ARs still win.

[merry ivy]

"Improved sustained fire accuracy of SMGs while aimed and stationary
Decreased sustained fire accuracy of assault rifles while aimed and moving"

[viscid cypress]

That doesn't matter at close range.

[midnight nimbus]

SMGs are still much better than ARs up close

you can hipfire hero to 20m

[merry ivy]

no, but it means that SMGs are getting buffed in an area that assault rifles are getting nerfed

so DICE at least sees that its a major problem between the two

[midnight nimbus]

also bad ADS time for ARs

[viscid cypress]

An area that isn't relevant to the current conversations

[merry ivy]

yes, what I said is that at least DICE sees the problem

so they might do more to remedy it in the future

[viscid cypress]

As opposed to how they just made it worse

[merry ivy]

that close quarters buff was more for LMGs vs ARs

[midnight nimbus]

SMGs were already fine up close

[viscid cypress]

Their damage drops off at less than two car lengths, that's not really fine

[midnight nimbus]

without hipfire buffs, 1907 hipfire struggles past 8m

with hipfire buffs, it struggles past like 12

[merry ivy]

"Increased the 4 hit kill range of all assault rifles, LMGs, MMGs and SMGs to 10 meters (previously 9 meters) to make close quarter damage more reliable"

just a single metre?

well rip

[midnight nimbus]

SMGs on the other hand can hipfire to 15ish meters without hipfire buffs, 20+ with hipfire buffs

[merry ivy]

at least DICE isn't going complete reactionary where they overnerf or overbuff something

[midnight nimbus]

9 to 10 is a comfortable change, that makes it reliable across rooms at least

universal 15m 4BTK would be better

[compact oxide]

Who really hipfires though?

[solid hinge]

i do

20 m hipfire? not on console...

[midnight nimbus]

well, that's how SMGs are designed to win

20m hipfire is ez

even the MP34, which sucks comparatively at hipfire, still does it way better than non-SMGs

[merry ivy]

why did they nerf one of Medic's good SMGs in CQC

30dmg to 25

for the M1928

[midnight nimbus]

same BTK

30 vs 25.1

it just rips injured enemies less quickly

[merry ivy]

yes, but that extends its 4 hit kill beyond its set max damage range

[midnight nimbus]

or rather less consistently

no it doesn't

[merry ivy]

yes it does

lets say it is 30 at 9 metres

at 9.5 metres it might still be above 25

[midnight nimbus]

Thompson still had the same 4BTK range

Thompson damage was stair stepped

just like M1 Carbine

[merry ivy]

wait what

why would they

[midnight nimbus]

bc consistency

that's how the BF1 Thompson worked too

[merry ivy]

that feels less consistent to me if it suddenly falls off a cliff

[compact oxide]

Dunno who was complaining about the Thompson damage tbh

[viscid cypress]

The enemy team after I'm done with them

[midnight nimbus]

old Thompson: 30, 25 at 0m, 9m
old Suomi: 25.1, 25 at 0m, 9m
new Thompson: 25.1, 25 at 0m, 10m
new Suomi: 25.1, 25 at 0m, 10m

[undone harbor]

MP40 handles really nicely for me but I'd like to see it do just one more damage per shot

[midnight nimbus]

universal damage models 🤷

[compact oxide]

I would prefer to get less 99 damage takes with smgs

[midnight nimbus]

way better than CoD-style balance by damage and RoF only

[compact oxide]

Sooo many times I get 99 then they hide and heal

[midnight nimbus]

i would like to see BF go with CoD-style damage models though

stairstepped only

entirely remove instances of 99dmg

[undone harbor]

doing 97-99 damge and then getting killed or they run away happens way too much with smgs

[merry ivy]

at some point I just gave up on trying to do well with medic guns or keep people away from mid range so I can revive my teammates

[solid hinge]

cod gunplay is more skill based now

bo4 you gotta aim for head

[merry ivy]

so I switched to Support and my KD is over 1 higher and I feel like I can actually help my team in my positions

[midnight nimbus]

nah, BO4 headshots are pointless without high caliber

[merry ivy]

because I can get into those mid range firefights and keep them supplied

[midnight nimbus]

same old CoD gunplay

magdump at all times

[solid hinge]

bo4 headshots the only way to kill fast with smg now

you obviously havent played

[compact oxide]

I find my KD going up with medic tbh

[midnight nimbus]

too bad most SMGs don't take high cal

i have BO4

HSM is like 1.1x

[solid hinge]

the guns are balanced now

[midnight nimbus]

whew

[undone harbor]

I don't wanna talk about my kd wth any class. its sad

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 gun balance is like BF3-tier

terrible

[solid hinge]

im gonna go play splatoon 2

the most balanced game :^)

[merry ivy]

I enjoy LMGs over SMGs far more

I don't feel like I'm losing too much CQC performance

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 has good skill cannons though, i wanna see that in BFV

[merry ivy]

but the range is so much better

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 had skill cannons RIP

[merry ivy]

I mean, this game has that Autoloading 8.35 back

but its more like an RSC

so eh

[lilac crag]

how does anyone get those kills within 10 lives done

[merry ivy]

kill, and don't die

[compact oxide]

@midnight nimbus RIP the RSC Optical

[merry ivy]

yes RSC Optical represent

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, RSC got buffed to 180 RPM in BF1 TTK 2.0 as a testbed for AL8 in BFV

[lilac crag]

easier said than done

[midnight nimbus]

RIP 360 RPM AL8

my most used gun in any BF

[merry ivy]

I mean, the stuff like "headshot kill 10 enemies in one life in objectives" is probably a mistake

and its ridiculous

[compact oxide]

Turner is new autoloading

[midnight nimbus]

ruined my stats for months until i got good with it

[mighty fossil]

sorry to interrupt the flow of the conversation but is anyone here having fun playing medic?

[merry ivy]

I didn't

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, Turner is basically a 360 RPM Cei Rigotti

[compact oxide]

@mighty fossil YES

[merry ivy]

I had lots of fun playing medic in BF1

but eh, Support has that mid range I used to like

[midnight nimbus]

^ SLR medic was one of the best decisions in the franchise

[lilac crag]

^

im hoping it is

[mighty fossil]

I almost feel like the medic weapons shoot rice or something like that

[merry ivy]

this

[mighty fossil]

they feel slow

[regal sapphire]

They shoot pasta

[lilac crag]

seems like dice devs never tested the idea

[regal sapphire]

They're made by italians

[merry ivy]

but hey, its stale rice instead of soggy rice in close quarters

[compact oxide]

SLR medic was the best

[merry ivy]

so that

[midnight nimbus]

why do you want medics to stand in front of everyone they're supposed to revive

have them sit slightly behind the assault players they need to keep alive

[merry ivy]

I can't revive my teammates if I can't remove the enemies staring down their corpse at mid ranges

[compact oxide]

@mighty fossil the MP34, MP28 and EMP are the only ones I like now

[mighty fossil]

@compact oxide same

[compact oxide]

MP34 is accurate enough to go for headshots most of the time too

[mighty fossil]

Im stuck at the last mastery assignment for the MP40

[regal sapphire]

MP34 is the only gun I have fun in the medic class

[mighty fossil]

but its just for the looks really

[merry ivy]

I would have fun in medic class if I could cover my revives at mid range

[glad wasp]

SMG ones are probably the easiest tbh

[midnight nimbus]

BFV cucked the medic

medic revives are still so slow man

[mighty fossil]

@midnight nimbus true

[compact oxide]

Yup

[woeful marten]

@compact oxide mp40 is life.

[midnight nimbus]

nothing was wrong with BF1 medic revive time

[compact oxide]

@woeful marten nay, MP34 is lyfe

[midnight nimbus]

you could actually go high APM if you're good

[lilac crag]

medic guns too slow and weak

[compact oxide]

Well medic train was pretty bs

[midnight nimbus]

average BF1 medic was already slow af at reviving

[woeful marten]

but gots hipfire tho

[merry ivy]

in BF1 if a friendly died to an enemy at medium range and I knew they were around the corner, I'd pop them and revive my teammate. Same thing happens in BFV? I guess I throw down a smoke, and hope that I don't run out of those smokes when its useful. Also, I don't get a kill.

[midnight nimbus]

why cuck the people who can actually revive well

[merry ivy]

miss the days of slide reviving

press F

[compact oxide]

I abused medic train a lot in BF1 but it was still bull

[midnight nimbus]

get back to shooting and covering your escape immediately

medic train isn't caused by fast revive time

it's caused by fast syringe cooldown

[mighty fossil]

When you have to aim in front of the target at mid range because the bullets are so f#%$ slow its no wonder you cant kill anyone

like I said

rice

[midnight nimbus]

BFV drag and velocity changes are nice, but don't go far enough

[merry ivy]

I simply find the guns frustrating, and I don't play Battlefield to be frustrated. I play Battlefield, and get frustrated anyways.

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 becomes a legit AR challenger though

[compact oxide]

Tbh they should have forced a syringe charge up like bf4

[midnight nimbus]

560(?)m/s with 0.0035 drag is really strong

nah, syringe charge in BF4 is unnecessary input tax and discouraged reviving

just have BF1 style + a slower cooldown

[merry ivy]

what this guy said

and maybe even revive them at lower than 100%?

[compact oxide]

Yeah

That's why you'd have the charge

[merry ivy]

but it still doesn't make the act of reviving suicidal without smokes

[pure veldt]

Meh, I like the requirement to have to check for enemies first

[compact oxide]

If you don't charge they're revived but they're on low health

[merry ivy]

the problem is when you know those enemies are at mid range

[regal sapphire]

Tfw we won't be able to use the AG/42 until the 27th

[merry ivy]

and you only have a weak spaghetti launching SMG

[pure veldt]

I would like to see a crawl while incapacitated though

[mighty fossil]

If the enemy is not at close range ur done

[merry ivy]

that

[pure veldt]

So you can move 5ft to cover

[merry ivy]

run away, or use smokes, then run out of smokes, then run, or die

fun

[midnight nimbus]

tbh, i think revives would be good if they revived the player up to like 50 health and then they started autoregenning back to 100%

so you could shut down medic trains

[merry ivy]

running away from mid range simulator 2018

[midnight nimbus]

but reviving isn't punishing

[pure veldt]

Does supply crate replenish smokes?

[merry ivy]

kht I agree

[pure veldt]

I assume launcher but not thrown?

[merry ivy]

and maybe a slower cooldown

as you said, 50% with auto regen, maybe even a longer cooldown on reviving if you yourself just got revived

[compact oxide]

Support crate should supply smokes only imo

Not other nades

[midnight nimbus]

have it supply everything, just have different cooldowns

[compact oxide]

ATM it's none

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 does equipment perfectly

[merry ivy]

having to run to a resupply station for grenades is frustrating, but I understand that they wanted to cut down on spam

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 literally has Ammo 2.0 from BF1, just well-done

[merry ivy]

cough fort vaux cough

[pure veldt]

It resupplies rockets but not nades

[midnight nimbus]

having a timer cuts down on spam

and suppression slows or stops your timers

woke

too bad reddit couldn't understand Ammo 2.0

[merry ivy]

so you don't have to stand over a crate for 15 seconds to get a grenade

wow

that sounds like... fun gameplay

get that out of here, we want no grenades in sight

[midnight nimbus]

having one grenade per life is annoying, it makes you either want to camp crates or redeploy if you need to break a zerg

[mighty fossil]

but it reduces spam

[midnight nimbus]

play Metro no explosives

that's what insufficient explosives do

you just sit there in a zerg

[merry ivy]

it reduces spam, but at the moment I rarely see grenades thrown

[midnight nimbus]

and that's boring

[compact oxide]

Reducing spam is better imo

[merry ivy]

so any grenades at all would be nicer than what we have right now

[midnight nimbus]

you can reduce spam and have sufficient equipment to get the job done

[pure veldt]

Forcing team play, how annoying ;)

[merry ivy]

I have been killed by grenades maybe 5 times so far?

not much

its very avoidable and there are so few of them thrown

[compact oxide]

Imagine fort de Vaux but you can throw nades back

[merry ivy]

hot potato: WW1 edition

[mighty fossil]

@compact oxide tennis

[compact oxide]

And you can only throw them back once?

It'd be great

[midnight nimbus]

nah, just shoot the nades, the hitbox is like the size of a beach ball

[compact oxide]

If you spam nades you're punished

[midnight nimbus]

doesn't align with the grenade model at all

[merry ivy]

they should have it so that you can throw them back infinitely and they reset their timer every time they are thrown

infinite grenade hot potato

[compact oxide]

Lol

[merry ivy]

whole gamemode based on it

[midnight nimbus]

there was a perk like that in CoD MW3

when you rethrow a nade, it reset the timer

so two people could throw it back and forth infinitely

[merry ivy]

BF1 had War Pidgeons, BFV should have Hot Potato

well its really more like tennis

but with hands instead of actual equipment

and instead of a tennis ball, an explosive ball of doom

so really nothing like tennis

[midnight nimbus]

also Ammo 2.0 didn't require you to camp a box for more supplies

which would've been great

[indigo kelp]

What do you guys recommend if my team leaves me no choice but to be in a position to die constantly?

on aerodrome or whatever 31 teamates sat infront of the building all game

[compact oxide]

Die constantly?

[indigo kelp]

getting annhahilated

[merry ivy]

get in a churchill/tiger

that's the only solution

churchill howitzer + explosive charge is fun

[indigo kelp]

Sounds like the Meta is dead and beyond

being forced into a tactic i dont use to prevent being slaughtered wasnt my idea

all we had to do was pull back a position let them advance out of the dome and we could have flanked

but they piled and spawned infront of reinforced sandbags and the works

[regal sapphire]

Is it too much to ask to just want to use the new gun I want to use instead of waiting for an arbitrary time?

[midnight nimbus]

delete unlocks in general

have everything unlocked already

progression in a MP game is such a silly meme

progression exists in your own growth as a player

not in the little shinies you unlock

[compact oxide]

I disagree

[rocky verge]

What time will the update come out

[compact oxide]

Part of the fun I have in bf is working to unlock the weapons

[rocky verge]

If I must stay up I will

[regal sapphire]

I don't think unlocks need to be erradicated

But

Doing this Tides of War bullshit is stupid

[midnight nimbus]

BFH unlock system was great

[rocky verge]

Throws water on @regal sapphire

[compact oxide]

Make assignments less BS

[regal sapphire]

:c

[midnight nimbus]

just use your in-game currency to purchase things when you want them

[rocky verge]

bucks

[midnight nimbus]

v-boins

[regal sapphire]

They probably are gonna make something like that, unlock a gun early with premium currency

[viscid cypress]

A little late, but throwing back grenades is useless most of the time

[regal sapphire]

I woudn't be surprised

[compact oxide]

Of course they will

They always have

[regal sapphire]

They have, but they've never been this arbitrary and grindy

[midnight nimbus]

assignments should only exist as a way to get money faster

arbitrary barriers to using guns is ridiculous

especially in a game where guns are supposed to be balanced

[viscid cypress]

And they force you to play certain game modes

[midnight nimbus]

leveling up your gun for specializations is kinda silly too

[indigo kelp]

oh my god i left and selected conquest and now im starting a new game on the other side of that

smh

time to sit pretty and get free kills

[solid hinge]

any meme lords wanna squad up

[thorn heart]

is this a joke?

[solid hinge]

we got two spots open

[thorn heart]

PANZERFAUST BUFF!?!?!?!

[compact oxide]

@viscid cypress the only assignments that force that are for cc only

[thorn heart]

i guess the only time ill have fun in a tank is in the war story

what a joke

[compact oxide]

@thorn heart no joke, it needed it toats

[viscid cypress]

You're right, who would want CC?
Clearly I'm prefectly fine with the drip feed I have now.

[thorn heart]

its like they're not even listening

[solid hinge]

looking for 2 white men to join our squad

[regal sapphire]

Panzerfaust buff

[thorn heart]

well they are

[solid hinge]

looking for two **** to join our squad

[thorn heart]

but its the same old DICE

one step forward one step back

yeah ok buff medic

nerf kek7

but FUCKING BUFF PANZERFAUST

nobody asked for this and then itll be nerfed next patch

and then theyll buff something stupidly again

it happened 24/7 in bf4 and bf1

[midnight nimbus]

the issue isn't that SMGs suck that bad, the issue is that they're assigned to medic

[compact oxide]

@viscid cypress forcing gamemodes for only coin is perfectly fine

[midnight nimbus]

BFV SMGs would be absolutely terrifying when put into any other BF game

probably even BF4

[viscid cypress]

No it's not

[thorn heart]

yeah right @midnight nimbus

BFV smgs have NO range

[midnight nimbus]

if you took any BFV SMG and put it into BF1, it would make pretty much every other SMG not worth using

[viscid cypress]

Since otherwise you get almost no coins per game

[thorn heart]

bf4 maybe since it was a tapfire only kind of game

bfv still sucks with random bullet deviation

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 is relatively similar

[thorn heart]

its toned down but with SMGs its a total shitshow

[compact oxide]

@viscid cypress normal weapon assignments give cc too

Even though they don't say

[viscid cypress]

Okay, and when you run out of those or just outright don't want to use a weapon?

[midnight nimbus]

> complaining about spread

[compact oxide]

The main issue is you dont have a supply of fresh assignments

[midnight nimbus]

you know what kind of gunplay you get without spread, right?

[regal sapphire]

There is no random bullet deviation Pablo

[compact oxide]

The gamemode ones would just be easy to ignore if we got more generic ones like in the beta

[regal sapphire]

I'm glad DICE has finally set the coffin on that bastard once and for all

That's like the only good decision they ever made with BF5

[midnight nimbus]

there is still spread in BFV lol

relatively similar in profile to BF1

[regal sapphire]

Well accuracy spread

[indigo kelp]

GIVE THE FUCKING ASSAULT CLASS OUR SMGS BACK SO THE NOOBS USING STGS REVIVE PEOPLE

[midnight nimbus]

the only differences in spread between BF1 and BF4 were a multiplier and slower decrease

[regal sapphire]

It's not like BF1 where you'd aim on a guy and have some chance for the bullet to just randomly deviate to one side

[midnight nimbus]

you literally have that in every BF game

[regal sapphire]

Making it not fun at all to play

[midnight nimbus]

did you ever play BF2

[regal sapphire]

No?

[midnight nimbus]

your ADS spread is higher than BF1's hipfire spread

BF1 spread is relatively low for the series

lower than BF4

[regal sapphire]

What's the problem with not playing BF2? I never took multiplayer seriously on those early days of video games

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 "RBD" completely comes from YouTubers sucking at the game and using the guns wrong

[regal sapphire]

I only very recently played it because of Forgotten Hope

RBD is shit, no matter what

[midnight nimbus]

like yeah, ofc if you play like xfactor, your gun is gonna have a lot of spread

[regal sapphire]

I'm glad DICE killed it

[midnight nimbus]

DICE catered to the community meme, RBD very much exists in BFV

[regal sapphire]

Not the same way that it was on BF1

[west valve]

Bf2 has like 1000000 billion spread increase.

[regal sapphire]

It's visual now

You have some way of knowing why your bullets aren't hitting

The aim veers off

Not the bullet

[sleek tartan]

is there a lot of drama here with the patch stuff?

[regal sapphire]

Yeah

[sleek tartan]

i spent ranting 2 hours with a friend

on our teamspeak

[regal sapphire]

Somewhat

So what's your position on it Penta

[midnight nimbus]

lol BFV point of aim moving with spread is awful

[fathom pebble]

teamspeak

[sleek tartan]

Basically I always had a lot of stuff that I disliked in the game, but I mainly thought we were going forward from here

[regal sapphire]

It's perfect

[sleek tartan]

the patch seems like a step back

[regal sapphire]

Shh

[midnight nimbus]

how are you supposed to track your bullets when your point of aim bounces around every 50ms?

[regal sapphire]

It is a step back

[midnight nimbus]

that's considerably faster than human reaction time

[sleek tartan]

@fathom pebble yeah teamspeak, low cpu usage down to almost a system tray, like it should be. Not like discord eating up resources for nothing.

[regal sapphire]

How are you supposed to track your bullets by not even knowing where or why you are hitting off target?

[midnight nimbus]

look at the tracers?

[sleek tartan]

Some of us care about things like frametime and maximum framerate :))

[fathom pebble]

I know wasnt being serious since discord and ts are sorta competitors. Use it aswell for low cpu use

[regal sapphire]

So you have to stop paying attention to the guy killing you to just notice that your gun is just randomly firing off target

Because yes

[sleek tartan]

The one thing that really let me down is the practice range

[midnight nimbus]

well, when you ADS, the tracers and the guy you're shooting at are in the same place on your screen

[regal sapphire]

Not really, it's kinda hard to see them when you're focused on someone

[sleek tartan]

the practice range is something that I really insisted on bringing back in Incursions, and gave kind of a lot of feedback on it

[west valve]

Bf1 tracers are really bright

[sleek tartan]

the "thiing" that they displayed today is a bit of a monster

Tracers imho are really an issue right now in the game they are like lasers

[compact oxide]

Is it?

[sleek tartan]

but i didnt hear what they plan on doing with it?

[compact oxide]

I haven't looked at the practice range yet

[regal sapphire]

It's really hard to see tracers in BF5

[midnight nimbus]

when your point of aim moves with spread, you don't even know if you're aiming right. you know you're aiming at their general area, but how do you know if you're aiming at their head at range, for example?

[regal sapphire]

By aiming

[sleek tartan]

Well basically practice range was totally done with looks above practicality approach, and it lacks some super basic features that make you think "do they even play their game?"

[midnight nimbus]

well, your point of aim is shifting around faster than human reaction time, how do you know if you're aiming correctly?

[regal sapphire]

Because I can see the guy through the scope

[sleek tartan]

They forgot to even have an option to have infinite ammo

[compact oxide]

Tbh I just want a paintball arena

[midnight nimbus]

like even a low firing automatic, like the MP34 shoots every 116ms

[compact oxide]

Oh god

[sleek tartan]

so you are on a practice range with magazines that arent unlimited and also attrition

[midnight nimbus]

that's half of a good human reaction time

[sleek tartan]

lol

[regal sapphire]

I can also control my recoil so he doesn't go under my gun and I lose sight of him

[sleek tartan]

its like so basic, you wonder... have you tried your own shit?

[midnight nimbus]

^ new practice range is embarrassing

[sleek tartan]

Also, its such a step back from the one on BF4

the one on BF4 made so much sense

and it worked great and looked great

[midnight nimbus]

losing track of what you're shooting at != losing track of what you're intending to hit

[sleek tartan]

this one is using a base map instead of developing one from zero

and it doesnt even do it on one that seems to fit well

[midnight nimbus]

not a problem at closer ranges, but when you're trying to pick heads at range, it sucks

[regal sapphire]

I have no problem with it

[thorn heart]

unreal theyre buffing panzerfaust

[regal sapphire]

Using the G43 and the Selbst

I pop heads left and right

Only problem I have is player acceleration is really fast

[sleek tartan]

The problem for me to tracers is that they are really big on third person and on first person they block you a lot but somehow don't help to aim better

[midnight nimbus]

SLRs are different

[sleek tartan]

someone agrees?

[midnight nimbus]

they shoot slow enough for you to visually track

[rustic bobcat]

How many mastery assignments are there for the KE7?

[midnight nimbus]

and have zero spread increase

[regal sapphire]

Then what are you talking about?

[midnight nimbus]

tracking with autos

spread moving with point of aim is garbage when you're talking about autos

[regal sapphire]

You're not supposed to shoot at really long ranges with autos anyway

[midnight nimbus]

...yes you are?

many guns are literally designed for it

[regal sapphire]

No you aren't

[midnight nimbus]

BF3 ARs were the design inspiration

M16A3 people from 100m

that's what Alpha/Beta StG was

[regal sapphire]

Also, laser beams like the KE7 have no problem with headshots either

[midnight nimbus]

BFV's M16A3

getting headshots and going for headshots seem really disconnected in BFV

especially with how little your spread increases for the first several shots

it's really lazy

[compact oxide]

Guns like the MP34 are designed for range