battlefield-legacy-titles

[solid hinge]

Rush was nice

wish conquest had that same order

[vivid lotus]

@midnight nimbus lol it’s horrid

[midnight nimbus]

tbh I'd base BF competitive around modes like Rush, FL, OBL, Blood Money

what's bad about BFH. besides gun balance?

[vivid lotus]

Blood money was okay

Hostage was good too

[solid hinge]

See Rush should incorporate vehicle play

It's mostly infantry nowadays

[vivid lotus]

Sniper rifles were trash though

[sleek tartan]

In that I agree, but Incursions was indeed based on games like Rush and FL actually were like translation to 5v5 of those

[midnight nimbus]

BFH launch sniper rifles were good

[solid hinge]

Rush should have full on vehicles, infantry with no play areas

and such

not this cramped infantry gameplay

[hearty jay]

@midnight nimbus getting ran over by bumpin escalades wasn’t very fun

[solid hinge]

I like the control point system

[sleek tartan]

hardline I never enjoyed but too far away in time to tell why, mainly weapon balance and bad maps.

[midnight nimbus]

don't get run over 🤷🏼‍♀️

[vivid lotus]

And everyone was like Spider-Man flying around on zip lines

[hearty jay]

😂

[midnight nimbus]

just like BF1 cavalry

a lot of BFH maps were really good

[grave rune]

anyone else get pistol customization things for bfv?

[midnight nimbus]

didn't encourage zerging for a lot of them

[vivid lotus]

Lol only good one was the city

[sleek tartan]

I'm sorry to say that this is mainly an Infantry game guys

in my eyes

[midnight nimbus]

a lot of the DLC maps were excellent

[sleek tartan]

and if you consider the facts

[vivid lotus]

I didn’t get dlc

[sleek tartan]

much more players are infantry than vehicles

For me incursions was crap mainly because the tank tbh

it just didnt fit in 5v5

[vivid lotus]

Weapons were dumb being depressed by team

[sleek tartan]

and the maps were just slightly moded from the base game and just didn't work.

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, tanks don't work in 5v5. 12v12 or 16v16 is fine

[vivid lotus]

Story mode was fun though, like a police show

[solid hinge]

16v16 would be dope

[sleek tartan]

also the new kits they made for incursions were horrible for me

and the skill trees that started there

16v16 is totally unviable as an esport

so we need to be kinda real when we try to shape it

it "could" be cool

[midnight nimbus]

most BF players love infy anyways, Hardline as a standalone series would've been great for people who love infy

[vivid lotus]

Gn all

[sleek tartan]

gn

[solid hinge]

we have sports that are 11v11 lol

[hearty jay]

Gn

[solid hinge]

i think we could have 15 nerds face 15 nerds

[midnight nimbus]

16v16 is fine as an esport of the mode is right

that's not much more than American football

which is very watchable

[solid hinge]

Battlefield sucks!

american football is the same as soccer

in players

[sleek tartan]

No guys. You just need to look at what kind of resources need to be moved everytime a team moves.

we are not a multibillion dollar stablished sport

so i'd say we would have to stick to something that can be viable as a start

[midnight nimbus]

FL is a good competitive mode

you're watching one point at a time

same with Blood Money

[solid hinge]

oh, youre talking about bf. yeah, this game will never be an esport

i would like it to be

[sleek tartan]

FL 8v8 is the biggest mode I'd support, and I'm aware with the time I spent as team captain in my teams to know it would already be a nightmare

[solid hinge]

but the community just isnt interested

[sleek tartan]

I totally disagree. I believe its dice that negltected that side

and obviously the competitive aspect needs total seriousness and effieciency to work well

[solid hinge]

i tried out for the second best team in america in bf3. not because i was that good, but because there was barely any teams lmao

[sleek tartan]

NA 🤷

xD

[solid hinge]

bf4 had the best chance

[sleek tartan]

not the case in europe

[solid hinge]

they got esl one events back then

[midnight nimbus]

BF has better gunplay than a lot of esport games out there

a lot of elements are there

[solid hinge]

europe thrives more on PC

you guys had a SF2 scene

in america we had nothing

and i was really good in that game with no way to compete

game even died here till some company brought it back

[sleek tartan]

I always explain the same thing when I get asked. You can't build a competitive scene from small to big, even if it sounds a bit idiotic.

No one will take the dedication to go "pro" for a 500€ prize

nothing will grow in a reasonable rate with this kind of investment.

[solid hinge]

esports changed now. aint like back in 2000 when people would play of the goal of having their face on a mouse box lol

[sleek tartan]

You can't make an esport mode and have no event around it and expect it to be a success neither.

[solid hinge]

gotta grow shit by the company now. like ubisoft did to rainbow six

[sleek tartan]

Yeah, basically now you have to desgin an esport mode as both an spectacule for viewers and a professional way of living for players

[solid hinge]

rainbow six would be dead right now if it wasnt for ubisoft pumping in cash

[sleek tartan]

if you fail to do any of those, it will implode like a dying star.

I could give you many examples.

Overwatch started to do it in a good way, but they totally lost it when it came to the price in which the spots for teams had.

slots for an esport that doesn't exist for several millions

hello?

not that what I mean.

But you need to start it off like something that will be heavily supported and invested in.

although you can't let it grow to a point were getting in is a luxury

[solid hinge]

ubisoft does it right. ubisoft been trying at it for years until it worked for siege. i remember them trying the same shit with vegas

they forced mlg to run the game

[sleek tartan]

The way I see Bf esports is also much simpler than what we tried to far, closer to the actual game.

6 to 8 players, depending mainly on what the initial investment both from dice and orgs is

5 is just not enough to make the cut for a game like bf imho after many years of playing what we had for it

[solid hinge]

i dont think dice and ea want bf to be an esport. it's neglected like valve neglected TF2 and L4D series

[sleek tartan]

Conquest small (has vehicles, both planes and tanks) with frontlines (not always vehicles) and domination as the main gamemodes

and a few changes to how you pick up weapons and gadgets, mainly call it add an economy system not very unlike in csgo

[solid hinge]

i would do just tanks first. and have custom timer when a tank can spawn

[sleek tartan]

so it doesn't become a shitfest of explosives tanks and crap

aaaand that's it.

[solid hinge]

and let the community cry for planes later

just test the tanks first

[sleek tartan]

Well, the saddest part is that DICE indeed wants it to be. Both for economical and practical reasons.

It's the most profitable side of conventional games right now, behind phone games.

And because its a main factor of publicity

[solid hinge]

esports for the sake of esports is super lame though

that is why overwatch comp scene sucks

and is super boring to watch

the korean scene is the only interesting scene to watch

because it isn't forced so terribly

[sleek tartan]

Well, they are doing mildly well.

I personally agree, its fun to play not so much to watch

[solid hinge]

the OWL players have got really freaking good now though

[sleek tartan]

BF is similar in many ways, you watch an average player its far from interesting

[solid hinge]

probably the best FPS players out there now

[sleek tartan]

but I'd say the top level players with some good tactics and casting that understands what's going on and is able to show and explain it

could be a proper esport mode I always believed in it hard

[solid hinge]

BF is fun to watch for frag kill feed videos on youtube

it's relaxing

BF pubs have this flow

and once youre into it you enter that nice zen mode

[sleek tartan]

I find it hard to fit that vision with me

i find it a very kaotic experience where a bit of rage and fun moments make the mix

[solid hinge]

once i hit flow i have to not notice im in the state of flow

cause then i exit it and start dying

BF is one of the few games i can enter flow easily

[sleek tartan]

I have to force my self to be that one guy which always runs against the flow and doing flanks and shit because its too uneffective in bfv

I was used to run deep in enemy lines

anyway nice chat its late over here in the old continent

cya mate

[solid hinge]

later

[opaque hinge]

that was a rollercoaster

i feel like i remember bf3 having esports teams

but idk

[solid hinge]

no lol

[sleek tartan]

yeah there was

[solid hinge]

it had a couple events in NA and then died

maybe europe had something

but we didnt have shit till BF4

[sleek tartan]

These events were global afaik

[opaque hinge]

honestly it could work so well

i think BF1 ruined it

[sleek tartan]

but NA didn't ever participate too much

[opaque hinge]

waaaaay too casual

[solid hinge]

the old BF games had big CWs and stuff

but esports wasnt like it was now

[old karma]

The only game with an Esports following that I find exciting anymore is Siege

[midnight nimbus]

OW sucks

agreed

I hate playing seej

but I don't mind watching it

[old karma]

I just dont think Battlefield lends itself to that kind of setup anymore

Like it could be cool to see a 64 player match where everyone is actually in communication and working in squads

but as an Esports? ehh

Even with like 32 players, its pushing it

[midnight nimbus]

https://youtu.be/YyVf3b0R8Os

hint: 32v32 sucks to watch

mostly bc CQ though

[opaque hinge]

well as in like you gotta do it in spectator mode

if you're doing esports

[midnight nimbus]

no as in 32v32 is inherently boring

[opaque hinge]

eh

[midnight nimbus]

moment to moment action doesn't matter

[compact oxide]

Scrims and whatnot normally run on domination I find

[opaque hinge]

i'd argue that

but

[midnight nimbus]

winning gunfights have no direct impact on the outcome of the game

[opaque hinge]

no 100%

but like idk

[compact oxide]

That'd be where I'd see eSports going

[opaque hinge]

idk how you'd set it up

[midnight nimbus]

in CQ, you win by having half + 1

why do any more

[old karma]

Esports lends itself better to small teams

for sure

[opaque hinge]

tbf i feel like traditional esports is just kinda dumb rn

[midnight nimbus]

so if you play just for that + 1, why not make that one objective the only objective?

introduce frontlines

blood money

[opaque hinge]

it's just a bunch of announcers going OH OH MY GOD LOOK AT THAT WOW OH WOW HOW DID HE DO THAT

and im like stfu

[midnight nimbus]

obliteration to some extent

[old karma]

Then those are bad casters

Good casters can make a difference

[opaque hinge]

idk that's every tournament i've ever tuned into

full disclosure that i rarely watch esports

[old karma]

Siege has some good casters

Ex pros

who actually know whats going on

[opaque hinge]

but like idk i feel like a spectator cam of like an overhead view could work better for bf

can see the overall outcome on the battlefield

[old karma]

Bad casters definitely make it feel shitty though

[opaque hinge]

cause yeah, it's what the team does not just 1 person

[old karma]

I think Battlefield could absolutely have some tournaments

[opaque hinge]

but if you have a full 32 man esports team it vs 32 man esports team it could be cool i think

yeah

[old karma]

Just not a full blown Esports scene

[opaque hinge]

yeah i guess

idk what the difference is tbh lol

[old karma]

unofficial, no huge payouts

[opaque hinge]

like i said i dont really follow esports/tournaments etc

[old karma]

no brand deals

[opaque hinge]

ah

i mean i feel like they could have big tournaments with payouts

[old karma]

its mostly for the fun

[opaque hinge]

but idk

[fallow venture]

just came off a horrible round of breakthrough and then i find out daredevil is cancelled

[opaque hinge]

maybe not as much as other games

like idk few thousand bucks or something

not enough for people to make a career out of it or anything but enough for your average person to go "hey why not try this out"

[fallow venture]

gotta say tho, overall breakthrough is awesome, but i don't like it that much on hamadas

[opaque hinge]

otherwise no incentive = no interest

[strong parrot]

huehue...enemy on the other team says im complaining a lot...while theyre winning by 200 points, and my teams complete ass until the catch up mechanic kicks in and we actually cap points...end of match hes 10-10 as a scout and im 46-15

top of the team vs....20th

[compact oxide]

Breakthrough is probs my fav mode but it's always unbalanced one way for me

[old karma]

Im intent on getting top of the board while only using melee and sidearms

Revolver all the way bois

better yet, do it with the liberator

[grim salmon]

^ Do it with Liberator for my respect

[old karma]

some real big boy points

[grim salmon]

Indeed

[strong parrot]

uh huh...so carbine mastery 6 is bugged right? in 1 life you can get 10 headshot kills while in obj areas or in 1 life get 20 headshot kills...in obj areas

[compact oxide]

Stream that run for sure

[old karma]

yeah its bugged

it should work if you get 20 in a round

[strong parrot]

yeeeeaaah

[old karma]

in other news thats probably already been discussed, Im liking the few patch notes we were given earlier today

Maybe people will chill about the TTK stuff now too, especially if they plan on letting us play two different versions of the TTK at once to test it out

[narrow mantle]

link?

[strong parrot]

#game-news perhaps?

[compact oxide]

Yup

[strong parrot]

any news on the ability to fucking swap weapon mods in game instead of being stuck with a useless anti air spec mg42 on a infantry only map?

[compact oxide]

Nope

You can do it before the round starts though

[old karma]

Also three new weapons teased for the first update. Thats a good sign given that its not even a major update in terms of content

[strong parrot]

you mean when i join the server 5 seconds before the match starts and then get auto deployed?

[compact oxide]

Yup

[old karma]

And yeah that bugs me too

also assignment switching

let me do it in GAME

[strong parrot]

wut

[old karma]

so I dont have to leave after I complete one

[strong parrot]

no quit the match every time

so fun right

why would you want to stay on the same server?!

[compact oxide]

Yeah assignments is a bad one

[old karma]

true, what kind of fucking pleb would wanna stay on the same server when they're having good matches

its better to LEAVE after every game

[compact oxide]

Plus when you try to rejoin your mates it "cannot connect to server"

[old karma]

and get Hamada 4 times in a row

[solid hinge]

Y'all think this game is gonna be more optimized by dec4

[old karma]

There will probably be some optimisation

no telling how much though

[solid hinge]

Cuz like I'm getting 45ish

On a 9604gb 16gb ram and i7

On med-low settings

[old karma]

Im sitting on around 90-110 frames at the best of times, 60 at the worst

havent dropped below, but this is also an above average machine

I shouldnt get 40 frame drops

[solid hinge]

I payed 1k for mine

And the worst part is

[compact oxide]

The 960 is pretty low tbh

[solid hinge]

I can't upgrade it unless I buy a 200$ amplifier

[manic moth]

6700k OCed to 4.7, EVGA 980ti, 50-80fps

[solid hinge]

And a new gpu

[compact oxide]

What why

[solid hinge]

Fucking Alienware

[manic moth]

All settings lowest settings

[compact oxide]

Oh god yeah you done screwed up going with them

I've got a 5820k, 1080 and 32gb ram and getting 80-90 ATM on 3440-1440

[old karma]

Honestly, in general it's better to build your own hardware

Im on like a middle-high end machine at the moment, nothing all that insane

[compact oxide]

Looking to get a 2080ti when they're in stock hopefully

[old karma]

1070, i7 4790k, 16gb RAM

play on an 144hz monitor

I prioritise the framerate for sure

90 and above feels really good in Battlefield

[compact oxide]

Oof, it's a T skew CPU toi

That'll be a big part of your frames

I had a little steam box with an i5 6400t and it pulled 25 fps on bf1

The main downsides of those PC's is the mobo is non standard

I dunno if the cooler mounting is normal though

You could upgrade the CPU cooler of so

[regal sapphire]

Supports should be able to ressuply dynamite/panzerfausts

[fathom pebble]

they can @regal sapphire

[compact oxide]

They can

[regal sapphire]

Oh really?

[fathom pebble]

if the support deploys a box

[regal sapphire]

How?

Hmmmm

[compact oxide]

Only ammo boxes and it's only 1

[fathom pebble]

the box gives 1 dynamite and 1 panzerfaust every cooldown

[regal sapphire]

Huh

[fathom pebble]

the pounches only grant ammo

[regal sapphire]

Cool!

[fathom pebble]

@solid hinge #technology

[regal sapphire]

Apart from Tank players being triggered and sad that lonewolfing isnt possible anymore, I think the patch is gonna make the game wonderful

[old karma]

People seem to completely overlook the boxes though

[regal sapphire]

SMGs still look weird though, they barely buffed them

[old karma]

I'll be happy to see what they nerfed the pfaust to

Wonder if they'll bring back forced ADS before firing

[compact oxide]

They buffed them enough IMO

[old karma]

or just flat out lower its damage

[regal sapphire]

Panzerfaust shoudnt have been nerfed, I dont even know if its getting nerfed

They didnt talk about it in the sneak peek

[old karma]

because tanks are weak

If Im honest a better change would be to the weak points on the tanks

[regal sapphire]

Well yeah, people are trying to lonewolf and they just get pummeled

[old karma]

Dont make like 80% of the tank a weak point

[fathom pebble]

@regal sapphire the post isnt everything

[old karma]

thats just stupid

[fathom pebble]

its just partition of the 19 page actual patch notes

some of those were already confirmed

[old karma]

IF they fixed that then the pfaust would be fine as is

[regal sapphire]

You have to play with your team with tanks now, You cant lonewolf. Everyone except tankers have accepted that and have adapted

[strong parrot]

when will ammo boxes and health crates(JK who the fuck runs those) have large visible icons for idiots to notice them

[old karma]

Thats not how it works though

[strong parrot]

if dice wont make it AoE resupply like before...

[old karma]

Tanks shouldnt be so fucking weak that they need constant protection

[regal sapphire]

Ofc it is, BF5 is about Teamplay now

Yes they do

[old karma]

heavy tanks are absolutely pointless right now

no

they dont

[regal sapphire]

Yes they do

[old karma]

You're just fuckign salty

Majority of the tank is considered a weak point

[regal sapphire]

From tanks being completely unbalanced in BF1? lol

[old karma]

and does double damage

[regal sapphire]

Well what parts do double damage?

[old karma]

The entire turret is considered a weak point

the entire tracks

[regal sapphire]

That's a mistake

[old karma]

and the entire back

the back im fine with

that makes sense

but you shouldnt be able to solo a Tiger from the front

[fathom pebble]

good thing tanks now are actually part of temaplay unlike you know that BF1 experience

[regal sapphire]

^

[old karma]

Light tanks are in a good spot, but medium and heavy are just trash

and anyone who knows anything about balance realises that

[regal sapphire]

Tanks can absolutely do fine, if they know how to play

[old karma]

No

Sitting on a hill 40 miles back is not 'knowing how to play'

being forced to stay behind the entire military for fear of a single man killing you

that isnt balanced

[fathom pebble]

medium and heavy tanks could be a little faster tbh

else its fine

[old karma]

They dont need to buff the speed

or the killing potential

[strong parrot]

why is a tiger 1 faster than a fucking wirbelwind

[old karma]

Just tone down the crit points

[solid hinge]

buff tank weakspots or nerf panzerfaust dmg

absurd no skill involved

[old karma]

Pretty much

[humble prairie]

in bf5 , can i totally unmap the tilde ?? It's mapped to middle mouse "push to the side" and it's infuriating!

[old karma]

you shouldnt be able to solo a heavy and a medium tank

a light tank? go for it

Well no, I take it back

you shouldnt be able to 2 hit it

[serene patrol]

no dont take it back

[old karma]

Nah I mean if you have the Pfaust AND dynamite ?

Thats enough to kill a tank

[serene patrol]

also remove all the gunner seats in light tank

completely pointless

[old karma]

they're adding the ability to duck while on the top gun

[solid hinge]

give gunner tank upgrades like in bf4 and bf3

i mean like the attack helis

[serene patrol]

but then thats OP for some reason

[solid hinge]

that would be sick

[fathom pebble]

actually the top gunner used to be an upgrade

[solid hinge]

if the gunner of a tank could have upgrades

[fathom pebble]

in the Beta was an upgrade and not permanent like it is now

[solid hinge]

remove 3rd seat from the JU88

[fathom pebble]

think the top gunner is getting a new ability to get inside the tank to cover itself

[solid hinge]

balance both factions

[serene patrol]

yes, the british bomber is a joke in comparison

[solid hinge]

missilies instead of dump crap bombs on the VA

or give VB spitfire the 8x 303

[serene patrol]

less bombs, less gunners, less weapon options. might as well just use the mosquito

[solid hinge]

[fathom pebble]

whast the point of giving the VB 8 .303 machine guns?

when the VA already has them

[serene patrol]

also why the fuck is there a much worse variant

like why

[solid hinge]

to balance out that g6 has explosive ammo

either that or give the VA rocket pods like VB

and it would be balanced

[charred matrix]

quick question, I completed the Road to Battlefield V challenges in BF1, but I do not have the exclusive paratrooper gear or skins, is this supposed to be like this?

[regal sapphire]

Yes you should be able to solo any type of tank if they're dumb enough to let themselves get flanked.

[serene patrol]

DELETE

[old karma]

Except they're not being flanked

they're being hit from the front

[regal sapphire]

Problem isnt with the Panzerfaust damage, its the shitty armor mechanics dice didnt care to balance right

[old karma]

and still getting solod

because crit points and no splash damage on the turret

[regal sapphire]

A panzerfaust does 22 damage from the front, you cant solo a tank.

[old karma]

yes you fuckin can

again

crit points

the entire turret

[regal sapphire]

From the front, no.

[old karma]

yes

from the front

[regal sapphire]

Well that's what I was saying

[old karma]

I've had it happen

[serene patrol]

[regal sapphire]

That's not the Panzerfaust's fault, that's just DICE being lazy and not making 2 different hitboxes from the mantle and the back of the turret

[spiral badge]

...Why the fuck does Recon Prof 3 have "kill 4 enemies with a headshot in 1 life" and "spot 15 enemies in 1 life" along with the 35 objective kills

And I need to complete ALL of them?

[fathom pebble]

you dont need to complete all of them @spiral badge literally says on the top you only need to complete 1 our of the 3

[spiral badge]

It literally says on top "complete all tasks"

Unlike other assignments

🤔

[serene patrol]

[fathom pebble]

Didnt for me when I did it

[spiral badge]

Listen here DICE you little shit, I'm busting my ass playing a class I despise for an outfit and you give me this bullshit

[compact oxide]

@charred matrix you should get two tokens in the armory to pick two there

[strong parrot]

it says complete all of them for me too lmao

[fathom pebble]

I mean its not even hard to do it. compared to the gold assigments

[compact oxide]

That's recon proficiency not mastery

The proficiency only gives you the colours for the default clothes

[fathom pebble]

yeh, just noticed. afaik the mastery ones are all complete 1 out of the x

[spiral badge]

Good cause this is.. what even

I also just remembered you don't need prof to get mastery, but I'm not level 20 yet anyway so

Still though, it shouldn't be all 3

[solid hinge]

the gold assignments are easy. The only one that is hard is the last auto sniper ones

[spiral badge]

I don't give a shit about the guns, I just want the outfit

Granted, I'd like the color options for the basic ones too, not getting them anytime soon apparently

I don't get why the assignments (as they are) still exist, did ANYONE like them in BF1?

[regal sapphire]

Yeah

[narrow mantle]

Basically these patch notes can be paraphrased as "We're not really doing anything with TTK/TTD specifically, but we're going to try balancing some guns first and see if that does anything to the way the game feels"

[regal sapphire]

Yup

Well they're trying to fix the shitty TTD bugs

But that's about it

Everything just seems so shady about BF5

[spiral badge]

What does that even mean

[regal sapphire]

Terraria boi, what do you mean

[spiral badge]

The hell do you mean shady

[narrow mantle]

Things I don't see in these patch notes... 1) Fix for bodies moving while dead. 2) Fix for animations making it impossible to target someone while rolling, clamboring, reviving, 3) Fix for not hearing a goddamn thing as an enemy kills you from 2 feet behind you...

[regal sapphire]

Shady, they only say "We're looking into it or It's coming in the future"

It's only one part of the patch notes

Maybe they're actually fixed I dont know

[old karma]

How is that shady

its just PR speak

meaning "i dont know" or "i cant say"

or, you know, "we're working on it"

[spiral badge]

Yeah that seems like a pretty standard response to me

[merry yoke]

played my first game of grand ops

it was epic

[spiral badge]

Prefer the old operations tbh

[regal sapphire]

Game breaking bug
We are looking into it

Thought they wanted to be more transparent

[solid hinge]

Billion dollar company btw

[regal sapphire]

^

[compact oxide]

It's just their version of Soon(TM)

[fathom pebble]

transparent you say?

[regal sapphire]

It's Gaijin 2.0

^

Or I cant redeploy at all because god knows why

[old karma]

Havent had any of those issues since launch day

[regal sapphire]

Therefore they don't exist?

[narrow mantle]

yeah, the not-being-able-to-deploy bug is quite annoying

[old karma]

Yes thats exactly what i said

Good leap of logic

[regal sapphire]

Some guy was saying that though, lol

Was a joke, sorry

But someone was actually saying that yesterday

[old karma]

Main issue ive had is shitty ui

[regal sapphire]

That too

[narrow mantle]

I don't believe you haven't been hit by the can't deploy bug, unless you literally don't squad up, and/or always go to the map overview to deploy

That's how pervasive it is

[solid hinge]

Max Rank Company Coin Accrual

We have a backend fix we have proposed (server side, so no client update needed). We are still testing to ensure stability and will update everyone once it’s live.

We are also working on a way to retroactively award Company Coin for hours played at Max Rank and hope to have an update for you soon that we can share.

so does that mean I get shit tons since i have 5 days played?

[regal sapphire]

Soon (tm) Strikes again

[solid hinge]

https://gyazo.com/b33bc3beb1ae5617db3beba8b10868e3

it means alot of

[narrow mantle]

the medic gun upgrade I will take... definitely needed

damn that sten is garbage at medium+ range

[regal sapphire]

It's the best SMG before you get the MP34

[old karma]

People who bail from tanks are traitors and scum

[regal sapphire]

Yes

And planes too

[old karma]

If its going down, go down with it

Be a man

[compact oxide]

Planes are better to bail from

Because the enemy can't steal it like they can a tank

[regal sapphire]

You say that

I've seen alot of landed planes in dumb spots lol

[solid hinge]

I played against a guy that sat in a AA the whole game just to tilt me

[ripe epoch]

What are they going to do to the ke7?

[solid hinge]

he sat in it for 30 minutes

[compact oxide]

I've seen a bomber landed on D on Hamada that was wedged into the buildings, no idea how he got it there

[old karma]

Ive gotten stuck in the rafters of the bridge on twisted steel

[regal sapphire]

I think it's bailed out planes that don't die on impact

[old karma]

Sat there for like 10 minutes till someone pfausted me

Eating ice cream

[ripe epoch]

Are they adding more recoil to the ke7?

[old karma]

Yeah

Vertical recoil i think

[compact oxide]

Yep, and removing the recoil reduction specialisation

[wild oxide]

Also Recoil Buffer on the KE7 is going away, replaced with Quick Aim

[orchid iris]

Just did all my ke7 mastery assignments tonight before it gets nerfed lol

[old karma]

Sweet

[regal sapphire]

What's recoil buffer again?

[orchid iris]

Vertical recoil

[ripe epoch]

So we f u have it already u keep it?

[compact oxide]

Nope, it'll reset the specs

[ripe epoch]

How much recoil they adding?

What about damage?

[wild oxide]

Damage is staying the same

[ripe epoch]

So no good at mid range then

Short range gun

[wild oxide]

Horizontal recoil is being increased from 0.36 to 0.45

I'm not really sure how much of an increase that is, but yeah

[ripe epoch]

Is that alot?

Hmmm

[old karma]

Spectator mode is in right?

It might be fun to just watch a round sometime

Its 1/4of an increase, so not insubstantial

[wild oxide]

Yeah spectator mode is in, you go to the server browser, click the three dots next to a server, and there should be a Join as Spectator button

The PIAT?

It's good for taking out infantry, but fair warning the drop is pretty extreme compared to the Faust. It's technically a mortar too

[regal sapphire]

Its not really good against vehicles

[midnight nimbus]

0.36 hrec is a lot for a 568 RPM gun

[regal sapphire]

But its great against inf

And it has a mortar sight

[compact oxide]

It's the mortar that I'm happy to exist

[wild oxide]

Like when you aim in with the PIAT, a dot will appear on your map, this will show an approximate location of where the shell will land, not accounting for height

[compact oxide]

Mortars in bf1 were awful

[regal sapphire]

Imo, I don't

[compact oxide]

Na

Panzerfaust is better in more situations

[wild oxide]

It's fun to mess around with, but I much prefer the Faust

[compact oxide]

And higher tank damage

[wild oxide]

To maximize the Flare's range you gotta shoot it up in the air, but even then the range isn't amazing like it was in BF1

[compact oxide]

Yup, range and uptime is around half of bf1 plus it's gotta be in the air

And enemies can shoot them down

[regal sapphire]

Flare is pretty useless

Just stick with the spotting scope

[compact oxide]

Flares are almost completely useless, I still use them because I'm nostalgic though

[regal sapphire]

It is weird

I dont know if I'm supposed to press something, almost everytime it doesnt work properly

[kindred orchid]

You don't press anything, you just hover over them, but they can't be behind cover like tree leaves/branches.

Sometimes you need to hover over them for 2 seconds or so.

[compact oxide]

I thought you had to press Q

[kindred orchid]

Sometimes it's immediate.

Nah.

[compact oxide]

Heh, guess I've been double spotting for no reason then

[solid hinge]

spotting scope fast

[kindred orchid]

Sometimes I just use the scope and sweep an area and not see anything, but get like +40 points from spotting a bunch of people.

[compact oxide]

They're useful for spotting tanks though

[kindred orchid]

I'm just glad there's no glint on the scope, otherwise I'd probably be dead.

One thing I don't like about the flare is that you're essentially announcing to the area that you're there while having little to no spotting radius.

And you can shoot down flares.

[solid hinge]

flare doesnt seem to spot even in the air

[kindred orchid]

I wouldn't mind having them be shot out, but right now it's so little benefit.

[regal sapphire]

Glint is so fucked though, most of the maps you can't see it

[kindred orchid]

Even if it was, I think they did an amazing job regardless.

[solid hinge]

I like game but it doesnt feel as polished as 1 did

[kindred orchid]

BF1 vehicles pretty much dominated a match.

[wild oxide]

There is at least one special reload that has been found, it was for the STG-44, nothing over the top just a little different

[compact oxide]

Yeah vehicles can still wreck but it takes more skill that bf1 thank god

[kindred orchid]

People sat from the safety of their spawns and just bombarded people. Almost as bad, if not as bad as bomber planes now.

I feel like I saw a special reload, but I'm not sure if it was special or a bug.

[regal sapphire]

That one Viskadel is talking about is just a collision problem then the reload gets bugged

Don't think its a special reload

Yeah

Flakfire posted it on twitter

https://twitter.com/FlakfireGaming/status/1066870670355849218?s=20

[maiden steppe]

as it turns out, my support SPM dropped massively while my normal SPM increased greatly

i guess nobody likes picking from my ammo crate

gotta force feed it to them with ammo pouch >:)

[regal sapphire]

You think that's a secret reload?

[wild oxide]

This one
https://twitter.com/d3Nkmess/status/1067111450865541120

d3Nkmess #BattlefieldV 😍 (@d3Nkmess)

I think i just enqountered a secret reload! #BattlefieldV #BFV #OnlyInBattlefield

https://t.co/KvBGOXyYE2 https://t.co/Hd9PmmlMcg

▶ Play video

Twitter

[mossy badge]

Yup, that's a bug

[regal sapphire]

That is a very clear bug

[wild oxide]

Yeah definitely a bug looking at it

[regal sapphire]

Like the StG one

Cant believe someone actually thinks thats a secret reload lol

Rude

[fathom pebble]

Tbh we didnt knew it was a bug until proven

Since we also didnt knew the literal arm goes invisible when reloading

[regal sapphire]

That's very clearly a bug, it's just because he's sliding

[old karma]

Every day I hear somebody tell me about the secret reload on the Krag

like no, thats a normal reload

[regal sapphire]

What's the secret reload of the krag?

[old karma]

Its just how you reload when you've only fired one round

[fathom pebble]

Secret reloads are actually something unique

[old karma]

its unique to the full reload

[regal sapphire]

Oh yeah

[fathom pebble]

Not something you get that often

[wild oxide]

In Hardline, it was something like a 1 in 10k chance I believe

[fathom pebble]

Then depends some are minimal from its normal one some are very different compared to the normal ones

[serene patrol]

how the fuck does anyone notice such a thing

[regal sapphire]

I could literally hop in a game and reproduce that bug right now

Yes

[fathom pebble]

Yes

[regal sapphire]

Aint that right Justice

[fathom pebble]

There's the phones which are in the watch list

There's the headphones and the swedish message in hamada. Also in the same map 2 places where u can find the Rob was here. The spawn beacons emitting morse code saying "dice Stockholm is the best"

Also u have the exploding wale in SP

I know those by remembering rn

[serene patrol]

FINALLY unlocked the PIAT. I dont even care if it sucks

[fathom pebble]

Also the creepy gnome in arras

[wild oxide]

There might be more Easter Eggs, just those are the ones that known

[fathom pebble]

Yeh the EE its not on their log or task list

They are made on the devs free time

All of them

Same for BF1 and BF4 the EE's when game released there weren't many aside some minimal ones

[regal sapphire]

That's why we have a server for that

[kindred orchid]

Isn't there also that whale?

[fathom pebble]

Yeh... I know but they arent put in the game because EA of DICE wants. Its because the devs can when they have free time

[opaque hinge]

Wait what about the phones?

[fathom pebble]

The whale in narvik is just passive so is the guy skiing

[opaque hinge]

I've seen a phone in narvik and aerodome

[fathom pebble]

The phones arent considered EE's atm

They're on watch list

[opaque hinge]

But wtf are they fired

For **

[fathom pebble]

Because we dont know its out come

[opaque hinge]

Other than an Ee

[fathom pebble]

We don't know

[opaque hinge]

🤔

[solid hinge]

yo quick question to anyone who knows, do we have any info on when combined arms is coming out?

[fathom pebble]

Could be for a future game feature who knows

[opaque hinge]

What is combined arns

Arms *

[fathom pebble]

It was never a zombie easter egg

[solid hinge]

its gonna be a pve mode i think

[wild oxide]

Combined Arms is the planned co-op mode

[sage bane]

LFM squad 12

[fathom pebble]

It was part of the phantom program

[opaque hinge]

Oh

[solid hinge]

yea my buddy just told me and I looked it up

[opaque hinge]

Tbh I'd rather them focus on mp

[solid hinge]

but i cant find anything on the release

[fathom pebble]

!roadmap

[junior mist]

:information_source: Battlefield V: Launch is just the beginning.
This image includes a roadmap and details on some of the upcoming chapters of Tide of War

Important dates:
January-March: Grand Ops, Rush and more
Starting in march: Firestorm and more MP modes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/144885731129556992/504642289575133185/Roadmap.jpg?width=1005&height=566

[opaque hinge]

No one really cared for war stories afaik

[fathom pebble]

Combined Arms in March

[solid hinge]

oh ok thanks man

[opaque hinge]

Ohh and battle royals

Royale *

March will be interesting

Plus Anthem in February

Oof

[wild oxide]

Wait, it might actually be before March, cause that Combat Strike thing is also Combined Arms

[opaque hinge]

True

It would make more sense

Than to release 2 big modes same month

Combined arms 1 month battle royale the next would make more sense - spread out the content

[solid hinge]

I DOOOOOO

[compact oxide]

What's bff?

[regal sapphire]

Hey derekk why are you trusted?

[fathom pebble]

He got chosen

[compact oxide]

Because I asked

[fathom pebble]

[regal sapphire]

[compact oxide]

My suggestion is we need a meme channel

[fathom pebble]

Contact modmail for that

[compact oxide]

We need a dab emoji 😉

[regal sapphire]

How many weapon skin parts do we have per gun?

[thorn heart]

the airlift announcement confused me even more

amazing

[regal sapphire]

Tldr, Airlifts are a scam

[thorn heart]

well i knew that

but the weekly thing

what the shit does that mean lol

[solid hinge]

wait

[compact oxide]

I got deluxe from day 1

🤷

[opaque hinge]

What

[compact oxide]

They could just ditch and

And make room

[opaque hinge]

Yep

And

Never seen anyone use those

[compact oxide]

I think they ditched the others to make room for those

[opaque hinge]

Wtf

Pepe > everything else

What happened to democracy

Guess this is a dictatorship

Really going for that authentic ww2 feel

[compact oxide]

The space emote

[opaque hinge]

can all go

Idk what the purpose of life is anymore

[lunar lion]

no u

[charred heron]

Reproducing and producing personal wealth for a select few individuals

[opaque hinge]

Capitalism ?

I guess that's what this is now

[charred heron]

Sauad leader

[opaque hinge]

Discord nitro or gtfo

[hearty night]

[opaque hinge]

Welp I'm out

[lunar lion]

[compact oxide]

If you have twitch synced you can get emotes through that

[opaque hinge]

😭 🔫

[compact oxide]

I don't have nitro but I can

[opaque hinge]

I just want pepe back

[regal sapphire]

[opaque hinge]

Pepe poggers and reee

And then I dont pull the trigger

[compact oxide]

Apparently twitch integration can give you emotes if you sub to a channel that's set up properly

[opaque hinge]

😭

[compact oxide]

Yup, but not to discord

[regal sapphire]

There you go yag

[compact oxide]

[regal sapphire]

What

[compact oxide]

Oh

[regal sapphire]

Planes cant marry people

[compact oxide]

Well thanks for letting me know

[regal sapphire]

I think he's snowboarding on another white substance

[old karma]

Jesus

[compact oxide]

[old karma]

Animals

[compact oxide]

That's not a very nice thing to say about a furry

[thorn heart]

i just realized how OP combat medic is

i hope it stays this way

it reminds me of mw2 commando perk

[compact oxide]

It's pretty great ay

I swapped over as soon as I could

[thorn heart]

yeah i was saying it was shit

but after camping in a corner of a house and just meleeing everyone running past me its great

[compact oxide]

Lol

[thorn heart]

also makes the return of the panic knife which i kinda like

animations are much faster than bf1 so its not as risky

[compact oxide]

I like the smoke+melee to take points combo

I find the launch knife is only good on medic now yeah

[thorn heart]

i think field medic is ass the speed bonus i dont feel much

i think running away at critical is a better bonus

[compact oxide]

Those of you who don't have the game yet: https://twitter.com/LogitechG/status/1068293536997613569?s=19

Logitech G (@LogitechG)

Enter mankind's greatest conflict. We're giving away 25 @Battlefield V game codes. Click the link to enter --> https://t.co/JRrpSoFqYp

#KeepPlaying #LogitechG

Twitter

If it's anything like the alpha giveaway they had it's something where you're guaranteed to get a code if you refresh the page enough

[strong gorge]

bleh I dont have twitter

[solid hinge]

I hate how they show the really shitty promotional artwork

show some official artwork

damnit

[vague bay]

Where's my bionic arm.

[charred heron]

Where's the soyboy beard?

I think what bugs me the most is the lack of gloves on the characters

The first person hands have the 2nd biggest thumbnails in the Battlefield franchise

[serene patrol]

@solid hinge Game looks nothing like that. But I guess EA isn't bothering to do any new promotional images, or they arnt telling anyone to use different ones

[thorn heart]

does bayonet on mp34 replace gdget

[limber anchor]

@thorn heart you can get a bayonet in this game?

[solid hinge]

yeah

It's kinda useless though

because y'know, ww2

[clear path]

lol did you try it? its hillarious

[thorn heart]

it replaces the gadgets?

fuck that

yeah bayojet charge is still a thing on some guns

nvm its a joke dont bother

[solid hinge]

free bayonet for all japanese assault?

or is banzai a call in?

[narrow lagoon]

bayonet is the biggest joke tbh

i got it on my gewehr before i knew how absolutely slow the charge is + the fact that you can't sprint afterwards for a few seconds

it's p wild how bad it is

[charred heron]

Can we get bayonet charges on japanese tanks?

[ripe epoch]

On recoil. How big of a difference is it from 0.36 to 0.45??

[charred heron]

Yes

[ripe epoch]

Yes?

[charred heron]

Yes

[ripe epoch]

No

[charred heron]

Perhaps

[ripe epoch]

Doughtful

[charred heron]

But yeah, the difference is .09

[ripe epoch]

What I'm askings is, is it gonna be to much recoil now?

[delicate charm]

Does anyone else pretty much only play Domination?

[pale urchin]

I had a shower thought and was wondering would other people would think of this idea. https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/a1pqww/reinforcement_system_for_nonsquad_leaders/

[wide yoke]

I hope that add maps from the pacific part of the war. Would be neat. Maybe even a single player story set there.

[old karma]

Pacific will show up later

They're doing it chronologically

[tribal ledge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/a1m5yy/psa_support_players_you_can_do_more_then_you/

Why doesn't the game explain and of these mechanics???

Like how hard is it

[wary flint]

man hamada is such a miserable breakthrough map

[old karma]

The game assumes you've played previous battlefields

which is dumb, but there you go

The only one that annoys me is the building one

nobody fucking builds the resupply stations

so i have to sit there as a medic and do it

which takes 14 years, 2 months, a couple of legal battles and a hiatus to do

[serene patrol]

and if you're in a tank and need a supply station, you have to get out and do it yourself......and constantly watch out for some random fuckhead that will try to steal your tank

[old karma]

Oh yeah, that too

nobody builds the vehicle stations

so you have to go back to base

its annoying as shit when you're in anything other than a light tank

[serene patrol]

Limited ammo is just annoying right now because of that

if there were plenty of supply stations, it wouldn't matter

there's no fun in resupplying or moving away from the action

[old karma]

Also the auto cannon is trash against infantry even though it says its good

the MG is straight up better

[serene patrol]

Oh I'm sure

DICE went out of their way to make the main gun on any tank suck against infantry

[old karma]

there's like 0 splash damage on the normal cannons

so I figured the auto cannon would be a better choice

nope

[serene patrol]

and I'm already sick of using the MG

[old karma]

I miss Beta tanks

[serene patrol]

what was different

[old karma]

lack of crit points and I think they had more splash damage

Im fine with crit points existing, they just need to not make up more than 70% of the tanks surface

Cause it turns them into paper

And the lack of splash damage is self explanatory

[serene patrol]

or just have it be the rear of the tank, like it's usually been

instant mobility disable

[old karma]

Rear, and at certain places on the sides

the front shouldnt have any crit points

[serene patrol]

yeah

[old karma]

unless like you hit the bottom of the tank somehow

that only happens when cresting a hill though

[serene patrol]

the medium german tank has a skirt specialization that's supposed to help with side crits, but it never seems to matter

[fleet moth]

What did they nerf tanks in bfv

I dont have it yet

[old karma]

If you hit anywhere on the turret, anywhere on the tracks, and anywhere on the back its considered a crit

and does something like double damage

and can disable parts easily

So you can solo a Tiger from the front

even if the operator is semi-good

Because a disabled turret means you basically might as well not turn

and a disabled tracks makes escaping impossible

there's no splash damage on the main gun either

so good luck hitting people in cover

[fleet moth]

Fan boys have been whining that an assault cant 1v1 a tank for ages

[old karma]

Id understand if the tank driver was stupid or you got behind the tank

fair enough

but from the front?

Thats just dumb

[fleet moth]

lol Anybody going 1v1 with a tank is dumb imo

[old karma]

Atm the only tank worth it are the light tanks

cause they move fast enough to escape bad situations

[serene patrol]

but if someone can't go rambo a tank it's op clearly

[wary flint]

what can't assault 1v1 honestly

best class in the game by a country mile

[fleet moth]

Its a tank for a reason. The minute vehicles don't matter BF just becomes any other FPS.

[old karma]

I dont think they should be OP like Battlefield 1

those tanks were busted

But they're made of paper right now

A tank is a limited availability resource and a force multiplier

or it SHOULD be

but its not atm

[fleet moth]

I've only put a few hours into BF1 so I'm not sure how they are

I'm still on 4

Are BF1 tanks stronger or weaker than 4

[serene patrol]

eeehhh.....idk actually

I wanna bf4 are stronger

[old karma]

Stronger imo

[serene patrol]

but, depends on the player

[old karma]

I think I went something like

110-0 at one point?

in a light tank

Definitely around about a hundred kills

with no deaths

again, in a LIGHT tank

[serene patrol]

ah good times

[old karma]

and i dont even pretend to be the best tank player out there

not even close

[fleet moth]

I personally think tanks should be powerful

That's the point of a tank

Nobody was ever meant to 1v1 a tank in battlefield

Originally anyway

[old karma]

Im fine with soloing tanks if they're stupid or if you get behind them, but it should take teamwork to drop a heavy tank from the front

not just some twat with a panzerfaust

[carmine temple]

will the armory ever have more items?

[lucid marsh]

Are you able to oneshot tanks if you hit it on the top? I was playing my howitzer churchill and it felt like I oneshot a panzer

[old karma]

From what I've tested and experienced its anywhere on the turret

front, sides, back

all of it

which is a HUGE target

I think they need to make it the back only

hitting the tracks and disabling those are fine

KE7 nerfs too

thank christ

A nerf to the Thompson too

though not a major one really

They're only nerfing the extreme close range damage

which is fine honestly, the Thompson is still a treat

if you're confident with your shots, I recommend going the ROF andd hip fire upgrades

lemme check

Decreased M1928A1 maximum damage to 25.1 (previously 30)

But that 30 was only in extreme close range

Increasing the damage of the STG 44 too

"StG 44 to 25.1 (previously 24)"

Max damage

so close range

4 hits instead of 5

[charred heron]

[old karma]

which should make it feel better in close quarters

Increased all SMG 5 hit kill range to 30 meters (previously 25 meters)

Medic buff too ^

[charred heron]

Anything that isn't the G43 is inferior anyways

[old karma]

Sten is getting a buff

christ

"Decreased horizontal recoil of the STEN to 0.38 (previously 0.4) and increased the efficacy of the Ported Barrel specialization"

[charred heron]

So Medics might be okay now?

[old karma]

oh

muzzle velocity on medic weapons has increased too

"Increased muzzle velocity of all SMGs as follows:
MP34: 495 m/s (previously 450 m/s)
MP34 (High Velocity Bullets): 560 m/s (previously 520 m/s)
STEN: 495 m/s (previously 430 m/s)
MP40: 455 m/s (previously 400 m/s)
EMP: 420 m/s (previously 380 m/s)
MP28: 345 m/s (previously 320 m/s)
Suomi KP/-31: 330 m/s (previously 300 m/s)
M1928A1: 330 m/s (previously 280 m/s)
Decreased drag of SMG bullets from to 0.005 (previously 0.007) for regular bullets and 0.0035 (previously 0.005) for High Velocity Bullets"

So they should do better at range

[charred heron]

Can't wait for the "Why is my KE7 nerfed?"

[old karma]

KE7 recoil is getting nerfed

and they're losing one of the specs

its reload is being shortened though

KE7 is pretty strong to be fair

It's a lazer beam

and hits like a truck

Definitely not the most powerful gun in the game

but its really good

Its also one of the guns that suffers the most from the TTD issues

so you get one frame killed a lot

They're looking at retroactively giving people company coins too

Apply All button for weapon skins is being added

thank fuck

aaand they detailed the air drop stuff

The 20 Airlifts consist of 2 emblems, 13 weapon part skins, 2 sidearm skins, and 1 uniform set.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/a1m24i/sneak_peek_at_battlefield_v_tides_of_war_chapter/

I really hope the uniform is unique

and not a recolour

Sidearm skins are rare too from what I gather

since you cant get them anywhere else

yet

They're still looking at adding the drag feature.

Honestly I dont even know how useful that would be

it'd be KIND of cool I guess?

but I cant see myself using it often

[compact oxide]

My sidearm skin glitched into existing but having no name and no stats

[old karma]

Id only use it if you got a damage reduction while dragging

since you cant shoot

[compact oxide]

Maybe you can use sidearms with dragging like far cry?

[old karma]

Also I tend to main medic, but for some reason I didnt realise one of the specs for medic allows you to sprint faster when you spot a downed teammate

which is kind of cool

[compact oxide]

@old karma yeah I use the other one

[old karma]

Only a preview too

now the full notes

not*

[compact oxide]

19 pages

[old karma]

We're also getting at least 3 new guns

With a likelihood of more

Yeah

Vickers K is one we're getting

[compact oxide]

We're getting the 1906 😃

[old karma]

That too

[compact oxide]

Actually the best gun

So shmexy

[old karma]

Some people are really bothered by returning weapons but Im not in the slightest

they tend to operate differently

And more guns isnt a bad thing if they're at least semi-unique

Also I think one of the insider dudes said we're getting a ton more cosmetics

Man more people need to run Smoke Medic. Legit I carry both smoke grenades AND the smoke launcher

So fuckin useful

[karmic summit]

Yeah same, smoke is a literal lifesaver on breakthrough

Opens up so many assault paths

[old karma]

It really does

lets you force your team to push too

you can legit carry an advance

plus it pairs well with your close ranged weapons

and your ability to revive

[devout edge]

Pushing into an objective after throwing all 5 smokes out is the most fun this shit gets :D

[karmic summit]

Mhmmm

I quite enjoy launching smokes straight at snipers as well, sit a cloud right in front of their face

Don't need to smoke the whole field, just that one bush

[old karma]

They should add another combat role that gives you double the amount of smokes you normally have

Why smoke the church on Arras when you can smoke the entire fucking town

[devout edge]

Yes! And it'll make the SMGs worthwile, when no one can see you until they're half a meter away.

[spiral badge]

But then you'll get out-damaged by someone hipfiring the KEK7

[lucid marsh]

Hmmm I don't feel like it'll be too good a buff for me to make use off with the smg's

I have so much troubles tracking people at range. Will have to see if the thompson nerf will affect me

[devout edge]

Definitely. But still fun as hell.

[old karma]

Honestly medic does well up close, especially with the Thompson and the Suomi (if at extreme close range)

The MP40 and Sten are solid too

at further ranges

The other guns are...eh

I do think they need access to carbines though

give them another option

[lucid marsh]

Yeah but I mean its not the velocity, I just suck at tracking long range, I already put up my sensitivity but I can't keep my sights on my target.

Still not used to battlefield recoil

Atm regular thompson sight

[devout edge]

Eh, I mostly play medic, but think they should be limited to SMGs, the endless healing and smokes is already so damn good.

[lucid marsh]

It jumps all over the place

Full right with last one taking the hipfire one

[old karma]

I got the rate of fire and hip fire upgrades for the Thompson. It absolutely RIPS at close range and the hip fire is deceptively accurate

Im confident at shooting so the large mag doesnt interest me as much

[amber notch]

@old karma it’s getting a damage reduction next patch

[karmic summit]

You want to put your sensitivity down for tracking at range, not up 😃