it was a 76mm on the firefly too dont test me boi
#battlefield-legacy-titles
strong parrot
strong parrot
yeah in the tiger mission
vast heart
I just want a hellkitty to skrrrt around enemy panzers and knock them off their tracks
meager hornet
yep you did
strong parrot
super hellcat pls
vast heart
Open top, white walls hellkitty
strong parrot
90mm gun to really rip the turret off
vast heart
Life’s finest things
rocky verge
Why add tanks to blow there turrets off
solid hinge
maybe as a call in?
rocky verge
Just keep it on dice
strong parrot
even its own transmission...oh wait that was the ferdinand 
vast heart
The tiger is surprisingly nimble in this game
I expected it to be pretty much an oil tanker, was surprised
solid hinge
oh my god it actually saw service
old karma
Christ the crit damage system sucks for tanks right now
strong parrot
its an arcade model type
solid hinge
vast heart
Aka CalliOP in war thunder
strong parrot
screw those things...you get morons who load in and just start rapid firing all their rockets
literally deaf before i hit the battle
vast heart
It cost 50 bucks to buy and each rocket from the rack could oneshot anything in its tier
strong parrot
its since changed from that lol
vast heart
It got nerfed hard
severe tide
Where is the area to ask for help with the deluxe edition stuff not working?
strong parrot
EA online chat?
old karma
please tell me the red devil stuff isnt the deluxe edition airdrops
severe tide
I’ve tried and it doesn’t help I guess I’ll try again
vast heart
Oh god you got that too?
solid hinge
vast heart
I got a stupid awful looking stock for my stg1-5
10/10 didn’t regret the extra 20 bucks
old karma
Luckily from what I hear there are a ton more cosmetics coming, some really good ones too
that arent just paint smeared on the gun
old karma
cause while the gold is cool for the prestige, it also isnt really my style
old karma
Oh it looks nice, but its not really my style. Id like to see more wraps, more battle damage, engravings
stuff like that
solid hinge
vast heart
Buttstock held together by duct tape, just like my life :c
@solid hinge is that the bird annoyed by the crow outsinging it?
old karma
Legit, having the turret as a crit point is stupid
No wonder you can do like 50 damage to a Tiger from the front in one hit
like 60% of the hits are on the turret
vast heart
Wasn’t the turret on that tank like extra thicc?
old karma
For sure. It wasn't the thickest point on the tank but it was up there
Tanks are weak right now because the crit points make up over 70% of the tank
The entire tracks, all of the back, and the entire turret are all crit points
shrewd zinc
can the tankers and pilots equip anything other than the sten? like maybe the MP40?
vast heart
@shrewd zinc by saying this you imply that you use those vehicles and then get out. Never get out, better to die in it than give the enemy resources. REEEEEEEEEE
old karma
fuck no
vast heart
No
old karma
go down with it
shrewd zinc
no lol, waste of resources ;)
vast heart
It’s better 1 ticket lost than the risk of a tank falling in enemy hands
shrewd zinc
i can do something with my AP mines and SMG
vast heart
Which could lead to ticket bleed
shrewd zinc
no like if a tank is on 5 health and currently being fired at from a distance
there is absolutely no chance of an enemy capturing it
vast heart
THIS IS WAR, SON
blissful kiln
let me in it
shrewd zinc
there's also the case where a tank gets stuck
shrewd zinc
one time in beta i let my friend drive because he wanted to, and he managed to get it stuck in a ditch
vast heart
That’s understandable, still destroy the tank
shrewd zinc
like the enemies tried to capture the tank but they still couldn't do anything with it
shrewd zinc
and it was a sturmtiger so good luck using it's turret
blissful kiln
where are the sherman tanks
shrewd zinc
in the prologue
shrewd zinc
and probably enemies in The Last Tiger
meager hornet
United states factorys
vast heart
Did the titanic captain just ditch the ship and go like “well I can do some damage with my sten and at mines”? I don’t think so
rocky verge
I stole a free half track tank destroyer
shrewd zinc
and I've seen people saying 'Oh DICE is gonna introduce them with the
US and say he look new content'
rocky verge
Since someone left it
shrewd zinc
but like that makes sense
the prologue and the Last Tiger are set late in the war and it makes sense to have Shermans
rocky verge
And my teammate died 2 seconds later in the heavy tank with full health
solid hinge
im ready to play as imperial japan and kill all these american dogs
shrewd zinc
but the British already have more tanks than Germany so it makes sense not to feature it in multiplayer
rocky verge
@solid hinge what about Russians
shrewd zinc
also i hope they add the chauchat to multiplayer
vast heart
@solid hinge I’ve toasted so many of you in RS that my killcount overflowed
solid hinge
i hope they make squads 5 man again
shrewd zinc
I don't
solid hinge
game will be dead for any comp play if they have to play with 1 man on a separate squad
vast heart
When you hear ‘tenno heika banzai’ but you’ve just finished screwing in a brand new tank to your flamethrower
shrewd zinc
and that none of them are divisible by 5
shrewd zinc
pro
battlefield
vast heart
Pro battlefield?
shrewd zinc
fucking lol
rocky verge
Battlefield 2 modern combat I miss
vast heart
Even the dude that ditches resources and will be court marshalled is right sometimes
shrewd zinc
i mean if you really want competitive battlefield (however the hell that's supposed to work), you could just do 4v4
amber notch
solid hinge
no one will run a league with 4v4.
shrewd zinc
or do 8v8 and do 2 squads, withthe new squad conquest coming out soon
shrewd zinc
or yea, they'll probably reintroduce incursions and you can have that
solid hinge
at least let private servers do 5v5 and it'd be fine
rocky verge
I dont know if they will add it to bf5
amber notch
^
shrewd zinc
cause it's not a competitive game
amber notch
battlefield is a casual game at most
solid hinge
or how about you not tell other people how to play the game
shrewd zinc
like it's barely even balanced enough to be competitive
shrewd zinc
and i mean if we do want to talk about 'balance'
the choice to have 4 man squads was for balance reasons
solid hinge
fornite and pubg are esports and those games are way worst than bf
shrewd zinc
can't get squad reinforcements too fast, and allows to have a server of entirely full squads theoretically
vast heart
It’s only because of sponsors really
shrewd zinc
it's funny I keep seeing people say that BR games are esports but I've never heard of anyone actually playing it competitively
vast heart
They are able of sucking people in and earn millions in ads
solid hinge
most the big orgs have signed players lmao
vast heart
There are tournaments though
solid hinge
TSM isnt even in csgo anymore, but they got a pubg squad
vast heart
Just never heard of competitive bf
shrewd zinc
I mean mewt you're kinda proving my point
shrewd zinc
people are playing games competitively when they shouldn't really be played competitively
like BR games which are too RNG based to actually be competitive
solid hinge
bf4 was the most alive the scene was at in modern times
vast heart
I’m not saying it never has, I’ve just never heard of it
solid hinge
bf3 died quickly
vast heart
Then again I’m not a huge esports fan, just watched some csgo back in the days
Time to earn some more company credits
Oh wait
Jk lol
solid hinge
the obliteration cups they had in bf4 was cool. that game mode could have gone somewhere
it was the best mode outside conquest
old karma
While BFV could be played competitively, I definitely think it lends itself better as a casual game
lime stirrup
The lack of currency is really shitting me
vast heart
I mean anything could be played competitively
lime stirrup
"well, guess I'll use the guns I already have for 3 weeks until this shit is fixed"
solid hinge
obliteration was an amazing mode for 5v5
vast heart
I know back in bf3 people even did 1v1s in fighter jets
old karma
As dumb as it sounds, just dont upgrade every single gun you have
Focus on the ones you enjoy most
vast heart
But that was amateur tournaments
old karma
Thats what I had to do
lime stirrup
should have been an immediate hotfix, why would they make us wait until the 4th is beyond me
solid hinge
i played bf3 in the early days. it died really quick
shrewd zinc
I suppose obliteration could be cool in BFV
since they already have the bomb mechanic implemented
old karma
If the leaks/confirmations are to be believed there are like 77 guns the game could have at some point
including the ones we already have mind you
not 77 more
So they're gonna have to add more currency anyway
shrewd zinc
I really want a payload mode in BFV tbh
vivid lotus
I need ps4 squad
solid hinge
obliteration should have been the game mode they kept making for newer BF games for comp scene. it is really good. and it's a unique spin of bomb gametypes
lime stirrup
We don't need more guns, at a certain point they all become too similar
shrewd zinc
like maybe as a small 32 or 16 player mode
solid hinge
BF should have tons of guns
vast heart
There’s no rush mode guys. Yet nobody even seemed to notice
solid hinge
BF4 had the right amount
old karma
More guns means more variation
shrewd zinc
rush is coming later
solid hinge
unlocking guns was fun too
old karma
more guns means more content to work towards
solid hinge
unlocking them was the fun part
shrewd zinc
see that's the issue
shrewd zinc
using them should also be fun 
solid hinge
especially the easter egg guns where you had to do special stuff
like the phantom bow
old karma
They should absolutely add more guns
vast heart
Now instead of guns you work towards customization
shrewd zinc
for BFV I do look forward to more guns though
solid hinge
i dont care about customization. no one else sees it but you
shrewd zinc
hope they feature some more stuff from lesser-seen countries
old karma
Sound, feel and aesthetic matter just as much as performance to some people
vast heart
I’d rather have fewer guns but more customizable rather than 90 guns 85 of which I’ll never use
shrewd zinc
like the Owen Mk 1 or the Charlton Automatic Rifle
old karma
Owen gun from Aus would be nice
vast heart
Other people do see your character
shrewd zinc
yep
solid hinge
but you can barely see the gun customization unless youre looking directly at it
shrewd zinc
and the gun is in your face the entire game so it's nice to have it look good
solid hinge
the character models are pointless since i dont see it on me
solid hinge
it's not third person
vast heart
So what?
shrewd zinc
'gun customisation is bad cause others can't see it' 'player customisation is bad cause I can't see it'
which one of these things do you want?
old karma
I admit Im confused on the logic too
solid hinge
i dont want or want any of it. it doesnt matter
brazen agate
any decent gun for medic / assault ? seems like supports has the best guns by far no ?
solid hinge
it doesnt matter cause i dont pay attention to it
just like you dont pay attention to 5v5 games
old karma
MP40, Suomi, Thompson gun
shrewd zinc
okay then you don't have to
old karma
all good medic weapons
solid hinge
it can be there, doesnt affect me
zinc vale
thompson is insane
solid hinge
and no one is forcing you to play 5v5 and have 5 man squad battles
shrewd zinc
what i do care about is them changing squads to be 5 man
brazen agate
requires level 20 tho 😐
zinc vale
support does have good guns tho
solid hinge
so we should be able to have it all
shrewd zinc
the game is fine to be 4 man, you were asking them to make it 5 man for the entire game
solid hinge
5 man squads should at least be a server setting when we get private servers
shrewd zinc
which is why i responded initially
old karma
At some level Im not a huge fan of adding an absurd number of gamemodes
brazen agate
which one is suomi ?
solid hinge
in casual matches i dont care about squad number
zinc vale
the second one
shrewd zinc
well
zinc vale
you unlock
zinc vale
get the extended mag
old karma
you can upgrade it to 50
shrewd zinc
if you want competitive options like that, how about you and your friends rally together to get DICE to add them
zinc vale
50 then
shrewd zinc
instead of talking about it here and never having it happen
brazen agate
😮
solid hinge
DICE will likely do it anyhow without us saying anything
there are big names out there that have DICE's attention
brett for one
shrewd zinc
it doesn't mean you should just be passive about it
old karma
Honestly I think adding a bunch of new game modes isn't smart, it takes away development time from more important things. They should focus on the modes that most people enjoy and refine them further
solid hinge
a number of old BF pros beta test BFV
shrewd zinc
more support still makes it more likely
solid hinge
and they were putting youtube content out
shrewd zinc
unrelated but unpopular opinion: Conquest Assault is an okay gamemode
brazen agate
Grand operation is so good tho
solid hinge
rush will be a good add to the game. cause we can fight to obtain the nazi gold lul
brazen agate
hard to play something else
vast heart
Is it the one where one side spawns with all the flags capped?
shrewd zinc
yeah
old karma
Grand operation needs some work, but yeah it could be really good
shrewd zinc
like everyone's saying 'go back to BF1 operations'
brazen agate
frontline is rush ?
strong parrot
CA can be pretty ass though if the enemy spawn camps you effectively..
solid hinge
frontlines doesnt play like rush
shrewd zinc
like no, DICE has made a good step here and now you're asking them to reverse
vast heart
Because if your team is braindead it’s the most painful experience to be had
shrewd zinc
grand ops is amazing don't ruin this
strong parrot
and half your team is literally bots standing outside of the first cap sniping
old karma
Its definitely not amazing, it needs some work
icy sluice
I decided to play Grand Ops, it got to Arras Frontlines and uhh... 2 and a half hour game because of a gltich
old karma
The concept is amazing for sure
icy sluice
Because of how long the game was, more than 60% of the enemy team left
strong parrot
2 and a half hrs on arras doesnt actually sound bad....
shrewd zinc
and people are trying to get DICE to reverse back to BF1
solid hinge
@icy sluice DICE just wanted to be like planetside for a change lul
vast heart
I’ve only played grand operations so far
shrewd zinc
when they could literally just play breakthrough and get the same experience
old karma
Arras is my favourite map right now
vast heart
Where in bf4 I only played tdm
strong parrot
visually i think its the best
old karma
Honestly, on the whole, the BFV maps are pretty good
icy sluice
I made friends because my squad was basically The Expendables
shrewd zinc
people are like 'but I like the multi-map aspect' and i'm like
icy sluice
We fucked shit up 👀
shrewd zinc
????? okay then, grand ops should be fine
icy sluice
For once I had a good squad
old karma
The only map I dislike is Narvik
rocky verge
Did you level up a class a lot
shrewd zinc
so many people seem to like operations for the multi-map aspect and not the breakthrough gamemode, yet they still want grand ops to return to BF1-style
like grand ops is better because the gamemodes are better suited for the map
usually
old karma
Like I keep telling people, BFV has potential to be one of the best BFs in a long ass time
Its just...in early access
shrewd zinc
people are already saying it's the best since BF3 so
old karma
its missing a lot of the content and balance it needs
vast heart
Maybe it’ll come around just like bf4 did
shrewd zinc
also, i actually kinda like frontlines having the bombs being carried
wheat jolt
hi guys whats the population like on bf5 right now?
vast heart
That game took 2 years to be somewhat decent and in the end even turned out fun
shrewd zinc
as opposed to every player being able to plant
strong parrot
i need to level medic to use the thompson..
old karma
Yeah I mean, give it 6 months and it'll be in a better spot for sure
shrewd zinc
i hope they keep that mechanic for the grand ops frontlines
vast heart
They’re removing that
old karma
How good it gets depends on the support
shrewd zinc
i know boot, but I'm hoping they keep it for the grand ops version, where you plant on artillery instead
old karma
BF4 started in such a shitty spot, but over time became a really good BF game
strong parrot
yeah but people will circle jerk about how bf5 sucks and wont be good ever
no dlc etc etc
old karma
People still circle jerk over WOMEN IN MY GAME
vast heart
Dunno, I kinda hate the big ass bleep you get when you pick up the bomb
old karma
just ignore them
solid hinge
I imagine it will be likr R6S
strong parrot
but forget about how bf4 had such a split player base
shrewd zinc
yeah i know
old karma
Dice seems committed to bringing in a large amount of content
shrewd zinc
but if they remove the permanent spot for the bomb carrier it could be so good
old karma
BF4 was done by a smaller team than BFV
Significantly smaller
so we could potentially see equal or more content
shrewd zinc
but of course people are having knee jerk reactions and dice are changing it
old karma
I guess it depends how they monetise
vast heart
I mean, it’s not realistic, but didn’t the same kind of people put up with a depiction of ww1 full of automatic weapons and race tanks?
Ridiculous
old karma
They never claimed it was realistic though
Its a video game
BASED on WW2, but not a direct copy
solid hinge
can we talk about something good in the game? like 3d spotting being super minimal now. that is pretty nice
shrewd zinc
'b-but that was gAmEpLaY rEaSoNs'
solid hinge
DICE did a nice job of forcing better team play
old karma
they did a good job of limiting grenade spam too
shrewd zinc
it's funny too
vast heart
In fact I didn’t give the slightest shit. I’m not happy that I have to play as a female tanker or pilot but I hope I will be able to change that like the rest of my company
old karma
I dont think I've seen any grenade spam since playing
shrewd zinc
people keep complaining that nordlys is disrespecting the actual operation in Norway
solid hinge
im a little upset of how long it takes nades to explode, but ill work around it. it isnt that bad
shrewd zinc
but like, it isn't even meant to be that
strong parrot
unpopular opinion...snipers are too easy 👀
solid hinge
yeah, because aiming is easy
vast heart
I wouldn’t know, I’m trash at sniping
old karma
I play recon with iron sights
solid hinge
Snipers are low skill tards
old karma
i find it more aggressive and fun
old karma
Oh easily
Like 90% of recon players do it for the 'cool' and 'safe' factor
and they're trash
old karma
Iron sights are really fun
shrewd zinc
yeah, though it can be annoying
strong parrot
like I watched a stodeh video earlier of him using the krag..
ivory scaffold
I use apertures since they provide FOV for mid-range.
solid hinge
gotta let new snipers learn somehow. long as they are studying how to actually be effective instead of going for youtube frag video footage
shrewd zinc
it wasn't very good with the lee enfield but i've swapped to the gewehr M95 and it's great
strong parrot
so many of the shots seemed...stupid easy
shrewd zinc
yeah i haven't unlocked it yet though
ivory scaffold
What is it with people not using platform roles here?
shrewd zinc
gonna use either the krag or the K98k
boreal sail
i did something amazing, i killed 2 players with 1 melee attack but my instantreplay was turned off 
shrewd zinc
can't wait till I unlock the pathfinder role for recon tho
vast heart
Idk how to put a platform role anyways
ivory scaffold
I do not know that! If I was to get a computer, it would have to be equivalent in power to that of a supercomputer. For any use.
solid hinge
What doea pathfinder do
shrewd zinc
pathfinder lets you spawn on any squad leader or spawn beacon, and something else that i don't remember
it's designed to be more aggressive
ivory scaffold
Pathfinders are reliable on spawn beacon usage.
And can even spawn on beacons from other squads.
old karma
I like the addition of those combat roles too, though I think majority of them are trash. They need to add more
ivory scaffold
They do indeed need more.
shrewd zinc
i hope they readd the paratrooper role
brazen agate
well you are still stuck with a sniper rifle
ivory scaffold
@solid hinge you on Pc?
shrewd zinc
tiggr said it might become a separate class
brazen agate
not that versatile
solid hinge
Xb1
ivory scaffold
Splendid.
old karma
Here's a fun recommendation too. Play Bob the Builder. Join a game as support, never use your weapons, just build, repair and supply people.
strong parrot
a new class? impossible
solid hinge
serene patrol
Playing some Bad Company 1, wow is this game reeeeaallly different. I don't remember it being this weird
shrewd zinc
they should actually add a class like that hiccup
old karma
Nah, just give assault the ability to choose the paratrooper role and let them airdrop in as one of the perks
solid hinge
I play bc1 every now and then
shrewd zinc
build 4x as fast as a regular soldier, but you only carry a secondary
old karma
or one of the classes, doesnt have to be assault
shrewd zinc
basically means you build everything almost instantly
old karma
I enjoy building stuff
shrewd zinc
but you have very little to defend yourself
shrewd zinc
also that'd work for vehicle repairing
because you'd be able to repair vehicles faster too
serene patrol
It def has the feel of a 360 arcade game
shrewd zinc
so you'd still actually be a 'threat' because of how fast you can repair vehicles and fortify areas
serene patrol
Which was battlefield 1943, which I liked as well
shrewd zinc
but you'd just not have much firepower
also when they add combined arms
i hope they add cooperative versions of the singleplayer campaigns
obviously it wouldn't be 'canon' but the other players could just be random soldiers
solid hinge
Are flame throwers being added?
shrewd zinc
like Under No Flag would have random SBS soldiers, Nordlys would have random resistance fighters, Tirailleur would have random colonial troops (would make the most sense of the three), and The Last Tiger would either have other tiger tanks, or have all players control the one tiger tank in some aspect (i.e. each person is one of the crew members)
meager hornet
possibly, it was on the leak list
shrewd zinc
I think if flamethrowers are added, they could be like a squad call-in
hoping they give the allies the flamethrower portable No 2, and not the M2 flamethrower
also I'm hoping that for Germans they have both the flammenwerfer-34 and 41, depending on the map
amber notch
How could they balanced the flamethrower
vast heart
So that they shall werf flammen
amber notch
the ttk is pretty high
amber notch
even before the fuel would be ignited they would be dead
vast heart
Overheat
shrewd zinc
again, they can balance it by being a squad call-in
old karma
Call in could be cool
shrewd zinc
so that it's powerful, but you need lots of squad points to get it
amber notch
meager hornet
get shot and insta-kill your squad
shrewd zinc
say, 10k-20k squad points
amber notch
still doesn't answer my question
old karma
You know they're adding like 3 more AT weapons too
shrewd zinc
also I like that they're adding the Einstossflammenwerfer-46
it was like a single-shot flamethrower, it was in Day Of Infamy
old karma
Probably as a gadget
shrewd zinc
yeah
assault or support maybe
I assume it could be used to create a temporary fire wall, like in day of infamy
old karma
I think they're adding two more weapon types too
shrewd zinc
carbines and something else
old karma
Carbines and SPMGs or something
vast heart
Isn’t the m1a1 a carbine?
meager hornet
technically yes
shrewd zinc
DICE doesn't necessarily use the actual definitions
by carbines they mean stuff like the C96 carbine, stuff the medic could probably use
vast heart
The name is fkin m1a1 carbine
shrewd zinc
for example they've added 'MMGs'
old karma
And classes can kinda have access to two weapon types
shrewd zinc
but both of the 'MMGs' in the game are 'GPMGs' lol
meager hornet
much like the B.A.R
old karma
Pretty much yeah
shrewd zinc
yee
shrewd zinc
yeah it could work
less powerful than assault's semi-autos, but still gives em range
it's a good compromise for those people who asked for it
old karma
Im also excited for the trench gun when it finally arrives
brazen agate
for some modes
old karma
shrewd zinc
also I hope they add some of the SP maps to multiplayer
shrewd zinc
from under no flag and tirailleur
also under 'combined arms' i just realised it lists 'combat strike'
maybe we'll have multiple modes?
old karma
Also people who complain about the lack of iconic battles, I dont think they realise that Dice seems to be doing a chronological order to things
So D Day and Stalingrad hadnt happened yet
shrewd zinc
i think a lot of them have been told it already but they just don't internalise it
old karma
I can understand the annoyance mind you, like Id love to see a modern day take on D-Day or Stalingrad
but Im also happy to have these lesser known battles
I hope we get a Dunkirk map
It could be French v Germans since the French held back Germany while the English escaped
shrewd zinc
I hope we get a Kokoda Track map
vast heart
Greece was still germany and great britain, so I guess no american before march
shrewd zinc
could be a test of a 'beach landing' mode before they do D-day (if they do)
serene patrol
they're lesser known because no one cares
solid hinge
Pacific too
shrewd zinc
cause the Japanese did a beach landing in Papua New Guinea
old karma
Id love to do PNG or Tobruk
shrewd zinc
also no Stralgarr, they're lesser known because they're not relevant to whatever country you live in
for example, in mandatory history here in Australia
D-day is barely a passing mention
we mostly learn about the Kokoda Track
kindred comet
Any NA PC players?
shrewd zinc
but most of our 'World War' stuff is actually focused on WW1, not 2
meager hornet
isn't the hamada grand op about the battle outside tobruk?
solid hinge
Battle ax was part of tobruk
old karma
Also that really bugs me, so many people bitch about Africa being in the game
Legit Africa had a HUGE amount of combat
rocky verge
The desert rats
old karma
He had a lot of respect for the Rats of Tobruk
rocky verge
British outfit
shrewd zinc
apparently my great-grandfather (might have been great-great) was captured by Rommel
old karma
Probably good it was by Rommel and not another German general then
solid hinge
i dont listen to people complain about 'sjw' anymore online. i played bfv and it's really good. way better than bf1
shrewd zinc
iirc he was interrogated, but was only asked for his name and ID
old karma
Yeah Rommel didn't like killing captured soldiers
old karma
He supported Nazi rise to power but allegedly didnt like the anti-Semitism
allegedly, obviously
solid hinge
they just had a unhealthy ideology, but a lot were of sound mind
old karma
we'll never really know for sure
solid hinge
you can be intelligent and racist at the same time
old karma
Well that the thing I think people forget
shrewd zinc
they were brainwashed
solid hinge
Rommel was an officer of the old German army.
solid hinge
when you dehumanize people then it isn't like youre just some dumb hick racist. you legit dont view them as human
Ie the Kaiserliche heer
old karma
People seem to forget the allies did some horrible shit during war too
shrewd zinc
a lot of Germans did believe the ideology though
'Clean Wehrmacht' is certainly a myth
rocky verge
@old karma yeah that true
solid hinge
america shielded a lot of nazi and japanese doctors and scientists
ones that did horrific experiments on people
old karma
Allies regularly killed German prisoners too
ivory scaffold
I know of the carpet bombing of the allies on civilian targets.
old karma
People who had surrendered
solid hinge
i feel sorry germany had their name stained because of radicals
shrewd zinc
i mean idk about
plush eagle
What's the fastest way to level up a class
shrewd zinc
germany is now better at getting rid of nazis than America
solid hinge
do well in games @plush eagle
shrewd zinc
so I'd say their names aren't really 'stained' per se
old karma
It's straight up illegal to have any Nazi imagery
rocky verge
Only If that British solder in world war 1 shot Hitler not sparing hin
clever tulip
africa is awesome to have in the game. adds lots of landscape variety. but we need some pacific stuff and hopefully some other iconic locations soon.
old karma
Pacific will come later
ivory scaffold
The phrase “never live it down” applies to be honest. I prefer to refer to neo-nazis as wingnuts, given they are on the right extreme.
old karma
Im guessing late next year
shrewd zinc
imagine the Battle of the Coral Sea as a map
rocky verge
Fun fact Hitler would of died in world war 1 but a British solder spared him and ran
solid hinge
you can show nazi imagery in video games in germany now if it's in games and historically accurate @old karma
they just implemented that
shrewd zinc
yep
old karma
Wolfenstein would still not be allowed then
shrewd zinc
it's still illegal to be a Nazi in Germany though
solid hinge
not all developers jumping on it cause there isnt many ww2 games like the old days
shrewd zinc
unlike America where you can legally be a Nazi, and have a nazi flag
which is pretty stupid
shrewd zinc
'But muh free speech'
ivory scaffold
The whole ban and removal of nazi symbols does have unfortunate implications in the form of holocaust denial. I will state this may vary.
old karma
Honestly a big reason the Nazis got into power was the way Germany was treated after WW1
they had to shoulder all the blame
and the cost
shrewd zinc
yeah and hitler made the jewish into a scapegoat
ivory scaffold
Create your own enemy?
rocky verge
Well there is a story where it showed that a British solder did not shoot Hitler in world war 1 @old karma
ivory scaffold
Pretty sure they still do.
rocky verge
If that solder did
solid hinge
germany did pretty well so far to keep those ideologies under wraps after WW2 though. in america it's getting really divided and i think we're are gonna enter a state where certain people will start to be dehumanized. the right has been completely killed off cause of a certain someone and now im left with no party. i have to vote for left wing politicians just because my party was overtaken over the years by crazy people
shrewd zinc
start to?
people are already being dehumanised
they're literally erasing the definition of transgender from existence
solid hinge
they still call them people though. but slowly they are injecting words like criminals, drug dealers, etc
old karma
Honestly I dont think the soldier was in the wrong to spare Hitler at that time. There's no way he could have known what would happen
shrewd zinc
children at the borders being taken away from families
shrewd zinc
if that isn't dehumanising I don't know what is
ivory scaffold
Not quite. They attempted to legally remove it, but remember there is evidence to back it up.
rocky verge
He was a young solder so he was scared
ivory scaffold
In context to science.
shrewd zinc
I mean there's a lot of things that could have prevented hitler from coming to power
if he was accepted into art school he might have not came into power
rocky verge
Yeah
shrewd zinc
was that school in the wrong?
solid hinge
i dunno. you dont go to jail with your children as an american citizen either. if they were asking for asylum then i would be on board to say it's wrong. i didn't pay attention to that news though
solid hinge
youre suppose to take in asylum seekers regardless because of shit that happen in WW2
shrewd zinc
I learned about the holocaust in an elective history class at school
solid hinge
they taught the holocaust here for like a month straight in high school
shrewd zinc
so I know a decent amount about Hitler coming to power
final canopy
any one on pc add me on origin corgipika
shrewd zinc
I even had to research one of the camps for one of my assignments
ivory scaffold
I tend to keep tabs on things and explore events not covered in class.
final canopy
wanna find a good squad
shrewd zinc
and we watched Schindlers list during the class
final canopy
any one on pc add me on origin corgipika
shrewd zinc
which was a pretty good movie
solid hinge
ill play with you right now if youre on @final canopy . you NA? im east coast
shrewd zinc
it's funny cause I think we learned more about the Holocaust than we actually did about WW2 in mandatory history
solid hinge
ye america skools teach the holocaust
rocky verge
I need to watch the man in the high castle
shrewd zinc
all my ww2 knowledge is from stuff I learned in my own time
solid hinge
probably more under the blanket of ww2 but they do
rocky verge
Good show
old karma
I had a good history teacher in primary and secondary
solid hinge
I remember watching that one movie I think the pajama kid or what ever it was called
old karma
so I learned a fair amount about WW1 and 2
ivory scaffold
Of course, they were defendable only because of how many advances were made technologically.
Now that I mention it, why do the villains always get the good stuff?
solid hinge
that movie was sad 😢
rocky verge
I learned all my history on YouTube because of the left wing in californa
shrewd zinc
yeah in aussie schools we mostly learn about WW1 because Gallipoli was one of the more important battles in history
rocky verge
@shrewd zinc the emu war
old karma
Gallipoli established our national identity as something separate to England
rocky verge
meager hornet
boy in the striped pajamas @solid hinge
shrewd zinc
WW2 wasn't really that important, we fought for a while at the Kokoda Track and then most of us retreated after a Japanese submarine invaded Sydney harbour
shrewd zinc
cause we were afraid that Japan was going to invade
rocky verge
That aussie went to war with birds
old karma
WW2 was important, what.
solid hinge
they were a terrifying military
rocky verge
The emu war
shrewd zinc
so we went to protect our own country, but nothing happened
rocky verge
And they lost
old karma
We fought in Africa and in PNG
ivory scaffold
Anyone here know about the battle of Rabaul?
shrewd zinc
yeah I meant more
old karma
We were ordered to defend Tobruk for something like 3 weeks
we did it for like 3 months
shrewd zinc
well for classes atleast they don't teach us
old karma
And we were the first to put the Japanese advance on hold in PNG
shrewd zinc
the most important thing was gallipoli, so that's what we learn
rocky verge
What about our friends the candinans
ivory scaffold
I just go and teach myself.
shrewd zinc
also we did learn a bit of Vietnam
ivory scaffold
That war was a disaster IMHO.
shrewd zinc
weren't we like the only country other than the US to fight in Vietnam?
old karma
Australia was also a staging post for the allies in WW2
rocky verge
How dose Australia lose to emus
old karma
Townsville saw a lot of American soldiers
ivory scaffold
Due to how use of ambushes was effective enough to drain morale.
shrewd zinc
yeah my stepgrandfather was in the australian desert for the entirety of WW2
never saw any action
meager hornet
running out of ammo
old karma
American's were hilariously bad at blending in during Vietnam apparently
Which is why they were ambushed so badly
shrewd zinc
my great-grandfather and I think my great-great-grandfather both fought in WW2 though, and saw action
ivory scaffold
Emus were quick. Australia only had two people with a Lewis gun and a transport to eliminate them.
ivory scaffold
It was not until there were bounties to eliminate them that emus were problematic.
rocky verge
old karma
We didnt lose, it just wasnt a success either. We were trying to cull the population but we couldnt get the numbers down enough
shrewd zinc
they should add an 'emu war' map to Combined Arms in BFV
as like, an april fools day joke
TBH it would be fun
ivory scaffold
meager hornet
so white peace then?
shrewd zinc
as it like, firing practice
main rock
coming back to rommel he tried to kill hitler and died for it, so there's that
and he was highly respected by the allies during his time
rocky verge
I really wanna go vist or live in the eu
serene patrol
yeah so the tank rounds I saved all my damn CC doesnt even work
old karma
He was 'allegedly' involved in the plot to kill Hitler
ivory scaffold
Briefcase bomb?
shrewd zinc
I hope that DICE extend BFV's development for like a year, and do a BC2-style expansion with the Korean and Vietnam Wars
ivory scaffold
I heard that one.
old karma
and Hitler allowed him to commit suicide and keeping his respect in tact
main rock
well, he got executed for it, so it was probably true
main rock
he technically got
old karma
commit suicide and nobody finds out about his treason
and his family lives
or get publicly executed
ivory scaffold
Morton’s Fork.
main rock
they gave him the option of suicide or court marshal (which was formal execution)
minor gale
OOF
ivory scaffold
Stick them with all bad options.
old karma
The reason they gave him a choice was because he was widely respected by BOTH sides
wary mason
old karma
including his own men
amber notch
Slacking
old karma
They publicly stated he died from wounds sustained during an attack on his car
amber notch
are you serious
main rock
just to be clear I'm not defending the Nazis or anything, just saying Rommel seemed to be one of the better guys ...
amber notch
rocky verge
With diffrent name
main rock
he was respected by everyone
amber notch
Ive been slacking
rocky verge
@main rock even Russia
old karma
Also people seem to be misinformed about why Germany couldnt defeat the Russians
It wasnt simply 'the cold
The cold also fucked up the Russians
south verge
@wary mason https://i.imgur.com/FloD0ii.png
rocky verge
True
old karma
There was also a really shitty amount of rain
that bogged down the panzer advance
So eventually they had to just dig in
main rock
well, it wasn't just the cold, but Russians were certainly more accustomed to it
old karma
and the Russians couldnt route them
amber notch
how to get a better KD without using a plane, use the flakpanzer in your spawn
shrewd zinc
Russia did have the advantage though, cause it was their own country
amber notch
rocky verge
Russia land stop the blitzkrieg
old karma
At the 'start' of their fight, no
rocky verge
main rock
who knows what would've happened had Hitler never gone East
old karma
The Russians were outmatched in almost every way
But they updated their army
while the war got bogged down
rocky verge
Only if Stailan did not execute his generals
old karma
And they were able to put up a better fight once the cold thawed I believe
main rock
they were outmatched in both training and gear, but they were more adapted to the conditions and their sheer numbers were insane ...
shrewd zinc
also a bit unrelated but I think i've made a more reasonable potential grand operation for if DICE adds the Kokoda Track
I was originally gonna have 3 maps but that's a bit unreasonable for DICE
main rock
didnt like 20M of them alone die in WW2 and they still "won"
shrewd zinc
yes
a lot were civilians
oh shit
imagine if they added a russia map
and added the hypothermia mechanic from singleplayer
main rock
yea, but still ... 20M is 20M
old karma
Actually to be fair
The reason so many Russians died wasn't actually in battle itself
Germans had a habit of not taking care of them when captured
so a LOT died in captivity
main rock
I didn't say they were all soldiers
rocky verge
And the not a step back order @old karma
old karma
whereas German's who were captured mostly managed to survive
main rock
but you lose 20M of your population and still win the war ...
that's what the germans were up against
again, who knows what would've happened had Hitler not gone east
old karma
Also its mostly a misconception that the Russians severely outnumbered the Germans
It wasn't as severe as people think
They definitely had more people, but it wasnt like
4:1
main rock
rip msg ...
got auto deleted
germans almost won tho ... didnt they get within 20km of moscw
old karma
Actually, no I take that back
The German's outnumbered the Russians in majority of the major battles
"On 22 June 1941, the four Soviet western military districts between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea had 2.3 million men, opposed to nearly 4.5 million Axis troops."
"When the Red Army counter-attacked at Moscow in December 1941, the Soviet numerical inferiority was even larger. Soviet strength returns in archives show that on 1 December 1941, the Soviets were able to muster 576,500 soldiers and 574 tanks against German Army Group Centre – which at the time had between 1.9 and 1.2 million troops with 1,800 tanks and assault guns."
main rock
yea, cause germans had all their "eastern" armies in line, while russians ran deeper
old karma
There's also a misconception that the Russians wore down the German army
main rock
that's probably why
old karma
But in fact, while its partly true, the Russians were in worse state
Gotta remember that a lot of these misconceptions are actually propaganda from the war
The German's themselves stated how outnumbered they were against the Russians
as a way to make themselves seem powerful
When in reality they had more people and better technology
most of the time, at least
ivory scaffold
And a home front advantage.
main rock
yea but eastern front was harsh overall
for both sides to be clear
for the germans being sent to the eastern front was one of the worst punishments
old karma
Oh for sure. The misconception is that only the German's had it tough
but the Russians had it tough too, if not tougher
main rock
i think we can all agree that the russians were more adapted to it doe ... still had it rough, but not as much as the germans
plus wasn't the '42 winter super-harsh as well?
ivory scaffold
Germany overextended their supply lines.
old karma
Yes and no. The Russians were more used to the cold, but they were also undersupplied for the cold weather
so they still suffered because of it
main rock
yea but germans almost won ...
they got within 20KM of moscow
if I remember correctly
old karma
Germany would have likely won if the rain hadnt been so bad
The cold wasnt even the major factor
Rain had created so much mud that the tank advance was slowed to like
2 miles a day
which is terrible
ivory scaffold
Only if your ammo is topped off. It is really powerful from what I can tell.
old karma
Oh god, that reminds me
they're adding mobile artillery
please dont be cancer like BF1
spiral adder
serene patrol
Please be cancer like in BF1
main rock
btw, is it just me or is the "control" irrelevant for bolt actions?
old karma
Kinda
shrewd zinc
when you get special rounds don't you have to switch them out?
like don't you get both the normal rounds and the special ones
serene patrol
yeah
main rock
ToW starts with the Greece content right?
main rock
oh right
old karma
Greece comes next
main rock
yeye
serene patrol
Its fucking stupid. tanks are just stuck with shitty main guns for now
shrewd zinc
yeah
Greece content is the start of the next chapter though I think?
I'm really annoyed about the churchill
serene patrol
Can't get hyped for pazerstorm when tanks are in the state they are
shrewd zinc
I want to have the 'field repair' specialisation but I don't want to have the howitzer main cannon
also the tank main guns have been fine for me
i'm just not very good at aiming lol
old karma
The main guns have 0 splash damage
like you can hit a guy between his feet and it'll do like 4 damage
they're pathetic
serene patrol
they've been useless, you have to use the machine gun, which is only good close to medium range
main rock
@shrewd zinc just try out different stuff ... maybe you're not good at sniping but you're an AR god
or vice versa
solid hinge
i need friends to play this game with
serene patrol
I also want the light tank to be solo only, I hate having people in gunner seats constantly giving away my position
solid hinge
some guy played with me last night, but he raged out cause he was having a bad game and quit mid match lol
he was also trying to scam me. saying he would sell a 1080ti for 400 bucks and give me his receipt. he then wanted me to return the card in his name to be upgraded to rtx 2080ti for 400 extra dollars.
shit sounded so fishy
i told him ill just buy the 1080ti for 400 bucks and call it a day
he wasnt having it
main rock
1080s are in shorty supply again ...
strong parrot
lmao just lost an axis side of hamada by 250 points...holy crap that was a bad team
i spent the first third of the match out of ammo with a flakpanzer because the south spawn apparently isnt allowed to get an ammo station?
so the only ones on that map are between f and e and then at g...
maybe one at b also?
main rock
medic is useful as long as you don't shoot 
spare belfry
Rez everyone
strong parrot
they cant shoot 150-200m
old karma
Medic is great fun, though I'll admit some of the guns are lackluster
spare belfry
aka die when everyone around you dies try to save you
main rock
@old karma most FTFY
solid hinge
i dont play long range. i have no problem going 2.0 kdr in games
nova pivot
look what shroud said about bfv
spare belfry
kdr matters?
main rock
you spray half a mag into someone and they 2 shot you ... Medic life
solid hinge
it doesnt, but it proves the point that smgs arent bad
shrewd zinc
i still can't wait to see what combined arms will be
like will we get to choose classes, or do we scavenge weapons like in singleplayer?
maybe we'll get both
spare belfry
smgs are pretttty bad
main rock
I did the first mission
shrewd zinc
I wonder if they'll use multiplayer maps or it's own custom maps
main rock
the planes
serene patrol
So is combined arms like a horde mode?
spare belfry
well
strong parrot
what shroud was playing assault???
shrewd zinc
cause on the roadmap it mentions 'combined arms: combat strike'
serene patrol
its only 4 players
spare belfry
we're still waiting for front lines and tdm
strong parrot
oh hes got the seb with a scope never mind
spare belfry
and they're not out yet
shrewd zinc
???
main rock
I was hoping for a CoD2 style campaign ...
shrewd zinc
frontlines and tdm are out
main rock
older gamer problems
old karma
lol
main rock
kids got fortnite these days pepehands
old karma
The campaigns have just...died since like 3
serene patrol
Lol I just randomy played CoD 2 on my xbox yesterday for some reasob
old karma
some nifty ideas but execution has sucked
shrewd zinc
I'm thinking Combined arms will have multiple modes
main rock
CoD2 campaign was so Pog
old karma
I really like the idea of war stories, they're just too short to actually have any impact atm
shrewd zinc
so maybe like, some will be custom missions, some will be based on multiplayer maps, some will be horde survival modes
maybe we'll get some single-player style custom missions where you scavenge weapons instead of choosing a class
though idk what customisation it would use in that case, maybe it'd just use your assault class customisation
main rock
when do ToW start?
shrewd zinc
dec 4
serene patrol
When the game probably should've launched
spare belfry
dec 4
shrewd zinc
Again, I hope they add the singleplayer campaigns to the cooperative mode as a sort of 'non-canon' thing
main rock
@serene patrol so 2019?
spare belfry
when I have hope melee isn't complete garbage
main rock
like, spring?
serene patrol
Fine by me
shrewd zinc
also if Panzerstorm has a combined arms mission for it
I hope each player gets to control their own tank
main rock
medic guns just need major buffs imo
I mostly play infantry, so talking from that perspective
shrewd zinc
also speaking of customisation, I wonder how it'll work for Firestorm?
maybe we'll be able to use any faction's customisation?
old karma
it could have unique customisation
shrewd zinc
and also how will weapon customisation work, will it apply your customisation when you pick it up, or will weapons come pre-customised like in singleplayer
shrewd zinc
like I was thinking that maybe in firestorm, weapons pre-spawn with customisation that gives it specific stat boosts, and is also based on what location it spawns in
main rock
what I dont like is how you spend the ingame currency on specializations tho ...
shrewd zinc
they said that firestorm would have 'objectives' that give you better gear
main rock
Siege had it, got rid of it, and it was a great move
shrewd zinc
like I could imagine that if you find a weapon randomly in firestorm
it might have like a green or orange spray, or a spray-painted camo, with foliage on it
while if you pick it up from one of the 'objectives', it would have the Mint skin, and have better stats
I'd imagine scopes and stuff would be found separately though
old karma
I wonder if it'll have the same damage model as the base game
or if there will be armour and damage mitigation
serene patrol
trying frontlines, looked like rush to me so I'm interested
strong parrot
so how do you get an airborne match for sure...server browser?
although can you even finish that assignment having to dmg german bombers
viscid cypress
Why do they even add planes, it's always just a tool to ruin an entire teams fun
cedar bronze
can I ask y’all something?
For the JU-88 bomber, should I go with dive breaks or passenger machine guns
sacred hull
go with stuka