#battlefield-legacy-titles

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haughty harbor
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jeez put the pitchforks away

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i just figured the optics red dot whores can go back to black opps

midnight nimbus
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BO4 unboomed the holographic sight, it's awesome

restive sigil
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I think it has to do with the fact that when people have only negative things to say about something, you get kind of tired of listening to it

haughty harbor
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I just hate to see such a dope franchise get bastardized closer and closer to CoD

amber notch
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Every shooter is similar to cod

midnight nimbus
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so.... good infy play = the game is CoD?

amber notch
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Can we get a minecraft battlefield game

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😩

midnight nimbus
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BF infy used to be awful, and it's gotten progressively better and better

haughty harbor
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My opinions and experiences come from an OG Battlefield player that played BF2 infantry only competitively... BF series back in those days was Unique, fun, new every time.... strategy was involved... not quick aiming corners and alleys and stuff ....

midnight nimbus
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BF3 gunplay needs to be a bigger influence

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we need euro hipfire back

restive sigil
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Rose coloured glasses

midnight nimbus
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BF2 infy mechanics are objectively awful by modern standards

haughty harbor
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anyone miss the TV missile from BF2? lol

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But back in the day they were game changing

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yes the dolphin diving was garbage and all that yes i know

midnight nimbus
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BF2 infy even at the time was awful for an FPS

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BF2 just had amazing maps and a scale never really done before

haughty harbor
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idk i respectively disagree

midnight nimbus
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BF has always been behind the rest of the market in many mechanics

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it took DICE until 2018 to implement 24/7 SDEC

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when older CoD games had it

restive sigil
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It's pretty obvious that the BF franchise has always banked more on size and scale

haughty harbor
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I wont doubt there. I agree the scale was huge for me... the scale of cruising through the 4 man squad with the SL talking to the commander and ordering a UAV or supply drop and all that.. spawning behind enemy lines on the SL ... it was just so revolutionary at the time....

midnight nimbus
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good movement didn't really become a thing until the modern frostbite titles when it's been a thing since forever

haughty harbor
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what is 24/7 SDEC @midnight nimbus

midnight nimbus
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24/7 spread decrease

haughty harbor
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BFBC2 was the best game with Frostbite IMO

midnight nimbus
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didn't come until BFV

haughty harbor
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idk what that means

midnight nimbus
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it makes gun balance way easier

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and makes low RoF guns way more viable

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unlike BC2 meme tier balance

haughty harbor
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im not completely understanding but i appreciate the info thanks

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I liked how playful and less than serious BFBC2 was

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that was cool, right?

midnight nimbus
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BC2 has a good theme

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and good gamemodes for good maps

haughty harbor
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yeah dude i really liked that game now that i reflect on it...

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1 more % and then im playable....

midnight nimbus
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BC2 is largely remembered through rose tinted glasses though

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movement and gunplay are really lacking

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like BF2, it just has really good maps

solid hinge
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@strange osprey

haughty harbor
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Who wants to tickle my balls while i start the game up for the first time

inland cloud
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Im so excited to go home and play bfv got the weekend off its first time in awhile since bf3 where im itching to play a battlefield game

restive sigil
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What I remember most about BF2 ARE the maps, the vehicles, and how much it sucked being infantry

midnight nimbus
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BF is largely a pretty bad franchise that ends up making fun games

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just the core of it is pretty bad

haughty harbor
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Funny u say that @restive sigil cuz I LOOVVEEDD infantry... It was sick....

inland cloud
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The gunplay and aesthetics of bfv are fucking amazing

midnight nimbus
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the core mechanics of BF are archaic compared to many other games

inland cloud
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Its just the menu system thats need tweeking

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Plus the various minor bugs

midnight nimbus
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BFV gunplay is a good example of BF being awful but good at the same time

haughty harbor
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I'm in the Battlefield voice channel if u wanna join me and chat and maybe join a game

midnight nimbus
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the new spread mechanics are infinity brained

restive sigil
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I don't know. The guns and the movement in bf2 felt wonky. Even for its time

midnight nimbus
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the new spread formula looks pretty horrific

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but works well, kinda

remote helm
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the m3 m2 and m6 75 could only perice at 500 yards 58 mm - 116 mm

midnight nimbus
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unfortunately, it's implemented in a way that only scratches at its potential

remote helm
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depending on shell

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Depending on the shell, depending on range, depending on angle.

remote helm
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if range is same and angle but shell changes it could only go at 500yards 58 - 116mm

midnight nimbus
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WW3 provides a good model for infy-vehicle relationships that I'd like to see in BF

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Don't suppose you can use meters ?

haughty harbor
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WW3?

midnight nimbus
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the game

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made in some shitty European country as a BF4 remake

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got tons of hype, but kinda flopped

loud sonnet
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Guys.. can i still get the enlister bonuses or are they completely gone now that preorder is not an option? do you get it all in deluxe edition now?

midnight nimbus
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some mechanics are a massive improvement upon BF's, but a lot of mechanics ended up being a huge regression

mossy badge
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Won't say a BF4 remake but an attempt at making another game in the specific genre

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Pretty sure they were pre-order specific @loud sonnet

zinc vale
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the launch was just

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atrocious

midnight nimbus
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the devs said more or less that it's heavily inspired by BF4

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Yeah, we shan't spoke of those days Silver

midnight nimbus
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stylistically and thematically, it pretty much is

loud sonnet
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If i buy the deluxe edition.. what from the enlister bonuses am i not getting?

zinc vale
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the game gets just over 1000 players at it's peak on average now

haughty harbor
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deluxe edition is just skins i think

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It should show everything that comes with that edition

zinc vale
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so, it might make it, somehow

haughty harbor
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dont get got like me

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its pretty vague tbh

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i just go balls in for all the BF games thinking they come with all the future releases

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only to find out that all the future releases on this game are free

loud sonnet
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Im just confused if there's anything missing from deluxe that came with enlister.. it says paratrooper sets and stuff but u get that from deluxe too.

haughty harbor
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soooo i shot myself in the wallet

old karma
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Deluxe is 20 skins over 20 weeks

young pecan
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@haughty harbor you're right, deluxe edition is just skins

old karma
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Im guessing unique ones

wild oxide
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Well, there's a total of 8 paratrooper sets, Deluxe alone gets you 5 of those sets

loud sonnet
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so enlister gave the other 3?

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and weapons in bf1?

mossy badge
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I'm quite happy about the Deluxe purchase. (Plus Premier Access)

wild oxide
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Enlister gives 1 extra, the other 2 were from Battlefield 1 missions that are now over

old karma
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I think it depends on what skins we get for the airdrops

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'hopefully' they're unique ones

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  • Pre-order Firestorm Ranger skin.
wild oxide
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Ah right

old karma
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not just random black face paint # 4

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I found it funny that anyone can be annoyed with the deluxe purchase when they knew going into it that Dice isn't doing premium anymore, so naturally the only thing they can really give you is skins

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which will be their monetisation effort this time round

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or I guess early access to new maps, but I dont think they're doing that

midnight nimbus
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i'd buy premium if it allowed you to play without TAA or attrition 💁🏼‍♀️

haughty harbor
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whats TAA or attrition

old karma
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Premium is a horrible model

midnight nimbus
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that's worth $30

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at least

old karma
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TAA is form of anti aliasing

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it blurs things

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so its not all that great

haughty harbor
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word ty

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Hopefully they add more Anti Aliasing modes

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That'd be nice

midnight nimbus
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i'd pay an extra $60 to play without TAA and attrition, and if I got the BF3 M16A3 and BFH AKM

old karma
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attrition is the new system they have in thats limiting ammo and resources

midnight nimbus
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just play without anti aliasing

old karma
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so you dont run around with 400 rounds this time

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more like 3 magazines

haughty harbor
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was hardline cool? that was the only game i never played in BF franchise

midnight nimbus
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yeah

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it's great if you like BF3/BF4 infy play

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no euro hipfire tho

old karma
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Hardline had a decent single player when you considered BF3 and BF4

haughty harbor
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i really wanted to play it just never got around to it at the time it was released and stuff i wasnt gaming at that time

midnight nimbus
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really good maps and gamemodes, atrocious gun balance

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like BC2-tier

haughty harbor
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im updated my graphics drivers

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then who wants to actually play and not bitch about the game

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ill be medic so i can play a sexy nurse for u guys 😗

mossy badge
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Hold the fuck up

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There's sexy nurse outfits in my historical battlefield game ?

haughty harbor
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you can use ur imagination BB

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old karma
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I want them to bring back the option to make the announcer speak in their language

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rather than just an accent

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Some of us understand German DICE plz

haughty harbor
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yeah thats cool i like that

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PLOTZ

old karma
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They already have the files cause the game is out in Germany

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so naturally its in GERMAN

brittle abyss
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anyone know whats the best part for Reserch Churchill MK VII

haughty harbor
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yoo so who wants to play some BFv

lucid kestrel
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theres chats for that lol

brittle abyss
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me

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but where do u from?

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@haughty harbor

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trying to find some ASIA Player

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haughty harbor
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NA / Southwest

mossy badge
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Try asking around there for a game, just add your region tag.

haughty harbor
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I will ... now im having issues with my audio after updating my graphics driver ... tite

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What kind of audio issues

haughty harbor
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i have this ultrawide monitor with speakers and now the monitor plays audio when I want it to come through my speakers / headset

mossy badge
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What Audio Drivers are you using

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Or wait... woahthink

haughty harbor
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Default Motherboard ASUS Realtek HD Audio Manager.....

I am in Discord voice channel. I hear voices come through my Monitor speakers, not through headset / receiver speakers...

When I "test" left and right speakers in the ASUS software ... those test sounds come through Headphone / receiver speakers.... tf

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Sounds like discord itself

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Check discords voice settings for default playback device

haughty harbor
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itunes plays through the monitor too... hmmm

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haughty harbor
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youtube plays through monitor

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Something really is fucky

haughty harbor
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im narrowing it down

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Got it figured out thanks boss ❤

mossy badge
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Always happy to be of some assistance

haughty harbor
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sometimes its just nice to have someone there to talk to and listen

solid hinge
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hi, should I get bf5 or bf1?

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BFV

agile vessel
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Finally got the Support Assignments done.

mossy badge
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GG

agile vessel
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Just got to do the weapons next....

haughty harbor
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BF1 is $5 tho right?

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get it if u can .. its cool to check out a WW1 game

solid hinge
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ok

haughty harbor
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Do I have to play singleplayer before i unlock multiplayer or can i go straight into a server browser?

agile vessel
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Singleplayer sucks.

haughty harbor
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I didnt ask that

agile vessel
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To answer your question, it's not needed.

midnight nimbus
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there's a tutorial cutscene thing but you can skip it

haughty harbor
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Hm cool thanks this is my first launch

midnight nimbus
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skip it

agile vessel
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You can go straight to server browser.

haughty harbor
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cool thanks

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After you complete the Prolouge you can, but if you simply close the game during it and restart, it will take you to the main menu

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But the Singleplayer is decent to say the least

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The Melee weapons you can get are quite nice

haughty harbor
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you can unlock multiplayer melee weapons from singleplayer?

mossy badge
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Aye

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Each War Story has a single, rare melee weapon

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If you complete it fully by collecting all the Letters and completing all the challenges, you unlock them

lucid kestrel
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got that hot hot cricket bat, so fun to hwhack people

mossy badge
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I still need to gather the strength to do Nordlys and Tirallieur

lucid kestrel
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Luckily you dont have to do hardcore difficulty for the weapons, just challenges and letters

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because hardcore on Nordlys was gooooofy

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I did all three of them the first time on hardcore

lucid kestrel
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perfect lol

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Wait

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Not the last 2 acts of Tirallieur tho

lucid kestrel
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stealth segments in this game are silly

mossy badge
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Its nice

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a refreshing change of pace

lucid kestrel
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dude can spot your ass a mile off, in the dark, just a piece of your head lol

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other than that, yeah, it's fun to roam around

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reminds me of the level in bf1's war story where you gotta complete the objectives in whatever order, and you're just roaming the desert

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cant wait for the tank war story, hopefully it's focused on the tank part

dusk prism
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updated and now I got 20 fps thanks ea you dumb fucks

young pecan
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yep, totally EA's fault

dusk prism
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Your right its my fault my computer broke at the same time I updated bf5

zinc vale
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lol I got the same

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could run it at high 60 fps on the premier launch

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now everything low

dusk prism
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Its also my fault 4 guns are still locked even tho I am high enough level

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Im such a dumbass

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anime profile pic retard playing undertale

strong parrot
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I mean sure, if you already havent contacted support to get them LUL

dusk prism
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support is like hmmm have you updated your drivers

indigo harness
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kinda tired of not beign able to use smokes on assault

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Am i the only one who hasn't had any performance issues since launch because i don't fuck over my pc ?

prisma lichen
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Nope

analog stream
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rude

mossy badge
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Well its not really rude, but it seriously boggles the mind how badly the game can affect other systems.

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Like losing 40fps+ just by updating drivers

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That shouldn't really happen to a specific person only or it should happen to everyone

haughty harbor
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Any way to "toggle" ADS instead of "hold" ADS?

fallow venture
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is there a ingame fps display?

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or do i have to go third party

mossy badge
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Origin has an in-game fps display

gleaming bridge
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you should be able to activate it from origin settings in the overlay

fallow venture
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oh didnt know that

half fog
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Anyone know how to get "kills at melee range" for the Superior Service in Reconnaissance medal? I've killed a lot of people with melee weapons, both take downs and quick attacks, but show 0 for that category. Is it bugged or am I missing something obvious? Tried a few searches but can't find any mentions.

gleaming bridge
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shift + f1

analog stream
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anyone else having a hard time with snipe?

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Nope

analog stream
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rude

midnight nimbus
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PerfOverlay.DrawFps 1 in the console iirc

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I'm not rude

midnight nimbus
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for FPS counter

analog stream
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yes you are

mossy badge
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How is that rude ?

analog stream
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u gay

gleaming bridge
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^rude

analog stream
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u happy

mossy badge
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So what if i am gay ?
At least i'm not the guy with performance issues

analog stream
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very rude

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Uhuh

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Sorry, i couldn't hear you over the sound of 60fps on ultra

analog stream
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LOL

prisma lichen
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Lmfao

analog stream
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60fps? what are you? a poopass?

gleaming bridge
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weird flex but okay

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No, i only have a 60hz monitor

prisma lichen
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I run 60 fps on High

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My 1440p died

prisma lichen
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Ultra would be

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Because cats

prisma lichen
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30-45 fps

analog stream
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that's probably why youre not noticing any performance issues. 1080p at 60hz...

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Well i mean, at least its not below 60

analog stream
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shh bby is ok

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i dont play with my monitor on anyway

prisma lichen
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Lmfao

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Daww

prisma lichen
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I should start playing it on my 4k TV

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🤔

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icy sluice
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Well, Final Stand is... anticlimactic

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to put it... politely

prisma lichen
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Final Stand is still kinda nice tbh

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icy sluice
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Very boring 30 seconds

analog stream
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but really, there are framedrops all over the place and the game doesnt fully utilize everyone's GPU's like it should.

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it's by no means horrible

prisma lichen
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@icy sluice Whats your favourite BF4 DLC?

analog stream
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but it's not great either. i'm sure that they'll optimize things better within these next 6 months.

icy sluice
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@prisma lichen You think I brought DLC for BF4?

prisma lichen
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pffft

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Nvm

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I mean

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All the DLCs in Battlefield 4 are decent

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China Rising is annoying with the AA mine

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Though fun with the bombers

icy sluice
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None of the base maps were fun at all, so I stopped playing after 10 hours

prisma lichen
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But also very spammy

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Siege of Shanghai is alright

icy sluice
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Very Rarely

dusk prism
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Dragons teeth was garbo

prisma lichen
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I kinda hate Ravod 911

dusk prism
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Best one naval strike

haughty harbor
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tf

icy sluice
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Ravod was the only one I kinda liked

dusk prism
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Operation Mortar>

prisma lichen
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Only reason I got China Rising was for Air Superiority

icy sluice
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But hey, there are no servers that host Ravod... at all

haughty harbor
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anyone know why the 1st letter in the 1st mission under no flag isnt on the table in the fishing hut

prisma lichen
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nope

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Sounds like another War Story bug i've been reading about

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There's quite a few of them

prisma lichen
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I still haven't played Dragons Teeth yet

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I've been too focused on other DLCs

icy sluice
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The Battlefield 2 map remakes had to have been fun

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I mean... Battlefield 2 had some pretty fun maps

prisma lichen
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It was so amazing

haughty harbor
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what BF2 map remakes... in what game??

prisma lichen
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I'm not kidding

icy sluice
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Karkland with 255 maps POGGERS

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BOTS

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fuck

prisma lichen
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Battlefield 2

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Is still my second favourite Battlefield

haughty harbor
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yeah i loved BF2 but what game had the map remakes

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it was my fav

prisma lichen
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After BF1942

icy sluice
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I feel like reinstalling Battlefield 2, but... I have Battlefield V

prisma lichen
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When BF1942 actually uses the Swastika

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Pretty sure there were no fucks to be given at that time

thin apex
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Remember kids.. 3D SPOTTING is gone but pinging an area where the ENEMY is with Q SPOTTING saves lives and also your e-penis will grow larger

prisma lichen
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@mossy badge Yes, there weren't angery feminazis running around

icy sluice
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I actually had fun communicating with a pilot earlier today with my pings

mossy badge
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EXACTLY

prisma lichen
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I love when you act all realistic in BF

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With random people too

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I took it a step too far though

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Using faction appropriate weaponry

haughty harbor
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@icy sluice dude what game had the BF2 map remakes

prisma lichen
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BF3

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My Brits doesn't have an MMG guy

crimson bay
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Haven’t bought it yet how’s bfV?

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Great

icy sluice
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Fantastic

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It really is fantastic

crimson bay
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Is ttk a little longer than the beta

icy sluice
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You know sex is great, but have you played Battlefield V POGGERS

gleaming bridge
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fun but a bit buggy

crimson bay
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That was what I didn’t like

prisma lichen
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I don't mind it being buggy tbh

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It kinda makes it more fun when I fuck around

brave cypress
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Uh

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At least its not a Bethesda game

prisma lichen
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^

haughty harbor
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@icy sluice Dude can you please explain WHICH GAME had the BF2 Map remakes in them please?

analog stream
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i hate the creation engine

brave cypress
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Why am I "Missing Multiplayer Privileges" all of a sudden

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??

analog stream
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it has always been a bug-infested engine

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I'd say contact EA Support about that @brave cypress

lunar silo
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Does anyone know why I can not adjust any of the Video- Advanced- Quality Settings (PC) settings? My game runs amazing but I would like to make af ew adjustments still to fit my preference.

prisma lichen
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@haughty harbor Battlefield 3

crimson bay
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So wait do you still die as fast as the beta or no? Because that’s what annoyed me

analog stream
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@lunar silo please elaborate

lunar silo
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Options- Video- Advanced- Scroll down to Quality Seetings The options from Texture Quality to Ambient Occlusion I can not change like they are locked. I can mess with UI Scale Factor and Graphics Quality.

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I would post a screenshot but I can't

half fog
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@lunar silo I think you have to change the Graphics Quality to Custom before you can change the individual settings.

gleaming bridge
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^^^^

analog stream
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yes

icy sluice
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Pretty sure Battlefield 3 and 4 had Battlefield 2 map remakes

lunar silo
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Well... I feel stupid. I am new to PC if that was not obvious haha. Sorry and thank you. Did not see it and did not want to click random things.

analog stream
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shh bby is ok

prisma lichen
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Second Assault in Battlefield 4 was amazing

gleaming bridge
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do you guys prefer frontlines or conquest?

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Did you really add a DICE Tag to your name ?

prisma lichen
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Lmao

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the mods added it

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Suuuure

prisma lichen
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Proof

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my name is proof

prisma lichen
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I need proof from the mods

tight kettle
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Mods dindu shit

analog stream
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i dont need to prove anything

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Pretty sure DICE tag is only reserved for actual DICE employees

analog stream
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I am...

prisma lichen
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Proof

tight kettle
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Pls fix bfv

prisma lichen
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And if the mods gave you the tag, wouldn't they give you the role?

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Mate, there is literally a rule about impersonating
"Do not impersonate anyone, like EA/DICE"

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And they would've given you an EA/DICE role

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<@&174949751152836608>

analog stream
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why are you acting like i am impersonating someone?

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Because you attempted to ?

analog stream
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lies

placid quarry
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@analog stream send a message to modmail

analog stream
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wat

placid quarry
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nvm, sec

pseudo saffron
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i am Gehangus

cold trail
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Hmm

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woahthink Did i just wake up the entire moderator base ?

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Good morning sunshines

cold trail
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Pretty much. 😄

fathom pebble
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How you lads doing

cold trail
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Doing well, you?

fathom pebble
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good, but its fine. there was a reasson for the ping PepeThumb

fallow venture
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been playing V for the first time tonight

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fuck the game is good

karmic hull
fallow venture
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and my fps is 40 - 60 on high! gods be praised

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WOOP WOOP

violet locust
fallow venture
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the urban map can go eat shite tho

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fps dies there :-(

gleaming bridge
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which one?

fallow venture
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im not too sure i didnt read the map's name

violet locust
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Who pinged reee

fallow venture
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maybe it'll be better next time

violet locust
karmic hull
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Avoid hamada map for better mp experienceLUL

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@violet locust That would've been me.
pepe

fallow venture
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twisted steel is awesome, tho i feel like the german planes are kinda OP on that map

violet locust
karmic hull
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@fallow venture try Fjel map (I don't know if spell it right)

mossy badge
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Fjell

tight kettle
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Fjord

mossy badge
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Close enough

karmic hull
fallow venture
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the norway one? have yet to try it

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hows fps on it

karmic hull
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Narvik

mossy badge
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Depends on what hardware you're running ?

lunar silo
#

Anything tips and advice I should know before my first MP game?

tight kettle
#

Murder everyone

karmic hull
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Revive squad mates and clear the area before you do that

mossy badge
#

You can revive squad members, you can constantly spam 3 near friendlies as Support or Medic.

gleaming bridge
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USE SMOKE when reviving

old karma
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3 is a fucking awkward key to keep pressing

mossy badge
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Recon rifles don't automatically have zeroing as a stock feature except the Lee Enfield (Starter)

old karma
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Im just gonna change it to one of my mouse buttons

mossy badge
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Smoke is advised for reviving, pushing and retreating

karmic hull
#

Looks like everyone misses medic in combat LUL LUL

prisma lichen
#

Just watch the pro tips video by JackFrags

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Like jesus

lunar silo
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Kill, Clear, Heal, Rifles, Smoke, Jack Frags... got it thank you

cold trail
#

Thanks for the heads up, let us know if y’all come across things like this again.

mossy badge
#

Also Support repair tool is T

karmic hull
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Use throwing knifes in scout instead of nade happy have fun @lunar silo

mossy badge
#

Yup, not like i've got anything better to do with my life

karmic hull
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You can repair tank with that T "tool" as long as you don't change your combat role :) PS: as support

fallow venture
#

by the way, the medic seems really crap, at least at first :-(

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the gun is wank

gleaming bridge
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use the suomi

mossy badge
#

The Sten is nice though

vivid lotus
#

What a blueberry

fathom pebble
#

Remember if someone trying to acknowledge that he/she is EA/DICE do not take it serious or believe it unless they role GWczeHowdy

mossy badge
#

Da comrade

karmic hull
#

Aye jackfrag is here..ohh wi8

fathom pebble
#

besides its agaisnt the rules impersonating a EA/DICE employee and it can end as a bannable offense

vivid lotus
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@fathom pebble well as a matter of fact I am a exutive at EA

placid quarry
#

@mossy badge you can dm @strange osprey next time btw, instead of tagging

mossy badge
#

Ah

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Sweet

placid quarry
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actually, do DM instead - as tags will also ping moderators that are offline / AFK

solid hinge
#

im actually surprised the G41 (M) is not in the game

gleaming bridge
#

all my weapons got reset to level zero 🤔

cold trail
#

@vivid lotus Feel free to msg ModMail if so and it can be verified.

storm gulch
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Sprayed a guy with a STG and he threw a sten magazine at my forehead and I went to sleep

vivid lotus
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Lol

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Wtf is a blueberry

solid hinge
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Non squadmates

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also

storm gulch
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People on your team but not on your squad

solid hinge
#

Level 50 people are shit buckets

karmic hull
#

BlackBerry's sisteraaaa

solid hinge
#

change my mind

mossy badge
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you know, teammates

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?

vivid lotus
#

But.....why is it a blue berry

untold knot
#

how are you guys using the MMGs

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@vivid lotus its a destiny term

storm gulch
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I barely met any other lvl 50s on PS4

placid quarry
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blueberry lives matter

vivid lotus
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Thanks

untold knot
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cos non squadmates in destiny were "blue icons"

storm gulch
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Because they were blue dots on the minimap

solid hinge
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i met 6 today

untold knot
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and your squadmates are "green"

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so "blueberries"

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same in BFV

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anyways yeah how are you guys finding the MMGs

cold trail
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A Destiny term? Blueberry has been around waaayy longer than Destiny.

untold knot
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i cant use it in conquest at all

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@cold trail first time i saw it was destiny but im sure its been around for longer

storm gulch
#

Yeah, useful in breakthrough tho

untold knot
#

ye

vivid lotus
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Oh so people on your square are green berries

untold knot
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maybe in grand ops

placid quarry
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yeah, blueberry is as old as Battlefield at least

cold trail
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Think it’s as old as Delta Force

mossy badge
#

@untold knot MMG's are really fun to use, a bit fucky when it comes to deploying the bipod

storm gulch
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Old as PTFO?

cold trail
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PTFO is fairly young

untold knot
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^

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first time i saw PTFO was BF1 lmao

cold trail
#

Early-mid 2000s

untold knot
#

before that we'd just yell "GET ON THE FUCKING CART / POINT / PAYLOAD"

haughty harbor
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PTFO = ?

storm gulch
#

Nah that's a lie, heard it in Bad Company 2

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Play the fucking objective

haughty harbor
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right right

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im always on that obj

vivid lotus
#

Wtf a ptfo

placid quarry
#

play the fucking objective

fallow venture
#

YE

mossy badge
#

PTFO. = Play the Fucking Objective.

This term has grown popularity in the First Person Shooter Genre in Multiplayer.

It's mainly used by Battlefield players who come across a squad member(s)
who only attempts to get a high Kill/Death ratio instead of giving useful imput to the
team and playing the objective.
Player 1 - "Oh yes! I'm on a 30 killstreak!"
Player 2 - "No one cares! PTFO or go back to Call of Duty."

fallow venture
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PTFO is def young

untold knot
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i like MMGs only if i know where enemis are coming from

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but then in conquest its like

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everyone is running everywhere

haughty harbor
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i remember PTFO in BF2 and BFBC2

storm gulch
#

Depends on what you count as young

haughty harbor
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actually

storm gulch
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Bad Company 2 ain't young to me lol

cold trail
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Not really

haughty harbor
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idk now that u guys mention it i always tell people to PTFO its just been sooo long since i played BF game

amber notch
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one of those people

mossy badge
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POW plz

cold trail
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👿

mossy badge
#

Wait, i keep forgetting that its HESS in the planes, not you

untold knot
#

I wish people couldn't bleed out if they were shot in the head

vivid lotus
#

POV

mossy badge
#

You fokin wot

vivid lotus
#

@mossy badge snipers would be op then

jovial forge
#

As rough as Recon is right now, it's nice being able to hit top of the scoreboard and get best Recon score

amber notch
#

this tbh

#

playing recon

mossy badge
jovial forge
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Once you get the rhythm, it gets a little better.

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Still wish it had a weak but faster firing dmr

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To compete against Assaults

prisma lichen
#

Assaults are easy to counter not gonna lie

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Even in a bloom fight

jovial forge
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Gotta hit those peeks

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Ninja vanish with smoke to

storm gulch
#

Facts

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MMG users hate me

pseudo saffron
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@amber notch 257 kills.... was that during a bugged never ending game ? if not it's god damn impressive and I still hate you for playing bomber

jovial forge
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I've gotten 1 salty PM over psn already cus I wiped a squad of mmgs

amber notch
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nah

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that wasnt bugged

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lol

cold trail
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Looks like there was indeed an update out today for XB1.

mossy badge
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O_o

amber notch
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It was my first time using the bomber

solid hinge
#

?

amber notch
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i only wanted to do it for the gold dog tag

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tbh

solid hinge
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an update?

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when?

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i dont see it in my queue.

amber notch
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you probably already downloaded it

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your xbox does that

cold trail
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Yup, just downloaded it myself, wouldn’t let me play online.

solid hinge
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ah

cold trail
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Yeah, usually downloads in the background.

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I’ve been on mine all day though.

solid hinge
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i remember downloading a UI update

storm gulch
#

A couple of stuck up BF1 competitive veterans kicked me out their squad and I commanded my own squad and got best squad

amber notch
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mine downloaded red dead over night

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and i was expecting to wait all day

solid hinge
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gg microsoft

amber notch
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It only works if you dont actually power reset it

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like you just tap the xbox power button not hold it for 10 seconds

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🤷

storm gulch
prisma lichen
#

Imagine BF5 on old gen consoles

amber notch
mossy badge
#

Oh god no

amber notch
#

I was thinking about that yesterday

mossy badge
#

Oh dear god no

amber notch
#

12v12

mossy badge
#

please no

amber notch
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every gamemode

mossy badge
#

This ain't call of dooty

prisma lichen
#

I want

amber notch
#

Im going to try the 1,200 upgrade for the mg42

prisma lichen
#

Battlefield 2 & 3 remastered

amber notch
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see what its like

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tbh

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actually no im not

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i cant use the extended belt

prisma lichen
#

I love mowing down children in Rotterdam

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Mg42 is my favourite lmg

amber notch
solid hinge
amber notch
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if only it had an ADS option

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the amount of salty kids

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damn son

storm gulch
#

Haha I love knifing mg users in the back schh

amber notch
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just use the throwing knifes

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Snipe them across the map with it

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"wtf how!?!?!?!?"

storm gulch
#

It ain't OP on PS4 as in PC

amber notch
#

"mad bc bad"

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the 42?

storm gulch
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The throwing knifes

amber notch
#

oh

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wouldnt they get aim assist

storm gulch
#

Nope

amber notch
#

feels bad

prisma lichen
#

^

amber notch
storm gulch
#

Some guy sniped a grenade

#

PC users got the mouse, feels like it's easier to aim

amber notch
#

just get a xim

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for console

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🤷

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I have a xim 4 somewhere in my house

storm gulch
#

Nah, pussy shit

amber notch
#

think its in my motorbike helmet atm

prisma lichen
#

I feel like mouses are OP against console players

brave cypress
#

They are

old karma
#

Being able to use a mouse on console is pretty much easy mode

prisma lichen
#

I mean, the reaction time compared to each other is way overpowered unless you had you stick sensitive to the max

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Your**

brave cypress
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Makes R6S nearly unenjoyable

storm gulch
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Yeah they are, some guy in GTA Free Aim was using a mouse to get better headshots

old karma
#

Its not actually sensitivity that makes the different, its the amount of spatial accuracy

storm gulch
#

Ye

prisma lichen
#

Well true

old karma
#

In general you should play with a low sensitivity and use more of your arm when using a mouse

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dont pivot from the wrist

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pivot from the elbow

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It'll give you the most accuracy

prisma lichen
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I can't handle high accuracy on PC

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I don't know how people can do it

storm gulch
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They play fruit ninja on PC

old karma
#

practise

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lots and lots of practise

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Its literally all there is to it

prisma lichen
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Would be a waste of time tbh

old karma
#

The more you play with a mouse, the better you'll get

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In terms of accuracy at least

prisma lichen
#

After what you just explained

storm gulch
old karma
#

Thats only for accuracy obviously, there's a lot more you can do to get better at FPS

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Combat awareness, recognising your mistakes and finding solutions

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etc etc

#

Siege is a good example of a game that doesnt entirely rely on your being good in firefights

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you can succeed in Siege by outsmarting other people

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Battlefield not so much

#

I mean to a degree you can, but in the end there's like 32 people gunning for you

#

you're gonna have to get good at firefights if you want to succeed

prisma lichen
#

I mean, you can outsmart about a third of the playerbase

icy sluice
#

I get a lot of multi-kills faking my death in Battlefield surprisingly

#

Just lay on your back with an MMG and watch most people walk over you.

storm gulch
#

Yeah you really can

#

Takes a good 10 ppl to die to realize there's an enemy nearby smh

old karma
#

Only to a degree, it wont net you any real increase in ability

#

people will smart up

storm gulch
#

Fucking blueberries

old karma
#

Right now we have an influx of people just dipping their toes in

#

a lot of these will give up or get better

storm gulch
#

Nah they diving head first and getting injured lmao

old karma
#

That too

prisma lichen
#

I rush but only to a degree

storm gulch
#

There's a lot of CoD users or something, trying to bunny hop away, jumpshot, barrel stuff, and dropshot

prisma lichen
#

I rush then flank then rush again, if I'm alive after that, then I would resupply and then kinda mid range fight

#

Most CoD players bloom battle

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Then get shredded

storm gulch
#

Haha yea

prisma lichen
#

especially when they don't know there's a veteran with an MG42 laying in the grass right in front of them

storm gulch
#

Lmao tru

jovial forge
#

Locked squad with only 2 people....genius

prisma lichen
#

Rip

#

I'm usually in a locked squad on my own

storm gulch
#

Ik, I get stuck with squadmates that don't follow orders and don't revive other squadmates

solid hinge
#

oh my gid

prisma lichen
#

That's why I either only play with just friends or myself

solid hinge
#

people who dont revive when its safe to do so are cancer

storm gulch
#

I tried that but I'm not that much of a G to do a game without squadmates

#

Ikk

prisma lichen
#

I mean

#

Sometimes I earn a V1 rocket on my own

#

But that's when I try my hardest

storm gulch
#

You do? Bruh

prisma lichen
#

I mean

#

That's when I stuka camp

lucid kestrel
#

not sure if toxic

solid hinge
#

i fucking love and hate the stuka

prisma lichen
#

Yes

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Love when I'm in it hate it when I'm not

lucid kestrel
#

I guess if you're gonna sit in a plane the whole match and bomb the objectives and earn easy kills, I guess you're basically just punishing them for bunching up so much

prisma lichen
#

Pretty much

solid hinge
#

i also always bomb the church tower

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easy 2 or 3 kills

prisma lichen
#

I put a nice high explosive shell into it

storm gulch
#

Those AA guns are shitty, I oughta shoot water at the planes

solid hinge
#

how long does BF4 take to finalize, just bought it an hour ago

storm gulch
#

BF4?

solid hinge
#

yes

prisma lichen
#

Its like $7.50 on Origin

#

Bargain much

#

BF1 is $5

solid hinge
#

yep exactly why I bought it

#

?

storm gulch
#

I thought you bought BF4

solid hinge
#

I did lol

#

the golmud server in bf4 is still up

storm gulch
#

You bought both games?

solid hinge
#

oh I thought you where referinfg to BF4 when you said it's like 7:50

#

nah only BF4

#

nah only BF4

#

just finished lol

#

nevermind

midnight nimbus
#

what's wrong with "CoD play"?

#

people are just better at using movement mechanics than you?

#

BFV movement was designed with top play in mind

#

like a harder to abuse zouzou

storm gulch
#

what lol

prisma lichen
#

^

lofty widget
#

Whats wrong with CoD plays? Everything. Its twitchy af.

full nimbus
midnight nimbus
#

top BF play is twitchy

#

turns out you can't force people to use slow mouse movement

fathom pebble
#

I heard some nutty stuff about tons of new weapons are being added on 4th PepoSmug

weary crown
#

I have a short question regarding planes especially the Ju-87 B-1/B2: they should have bombs from the beginning and not just from the upgrades, right?

amber notch
#

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amber notch
serene patrol
#

Here's the hottest take ever

#

BF1 feels more like WW2 than BFV

regal sapphire
#

I don't really feel anything about BF5

#

It's a game, that's all I can really think

serene patrol
#

pretty much

amber notch
#

Battlefield V Classes

#

Battlefield V Speed Boost

#

Currently there is a small trick you can do that allows players to abuse the hitbox slightly, this technique is called "slithering" basically it gives players a small speed boost, not by much but enough to easily get into
The way to execute this is to initiate the slide animation and as the slide ends you can press spacebar to get a slight speed boost.
cover when being fired at.
This is best used when moving around the capture points and hipfiring when sliding at an enemy.
It in a sense allows users to abuse the hitbox in a sense.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497324255608963072/512205106431787038/Battlefield_V_2018.11.13_-_11.46.23.01_Trim.mp4

full nimbus
#

Gottem POW

fathom pebble
#

isnt this technically an exploit?

amber notch
#

Paratrooper sets

#

The list of Battlefield V Paratroopers have been announced by EA community manager Danmitre Over on reddit.

How do I get each set?
You get a specific amount of Tokens for pre-ordering, purchasing an edition, or playing BF1 that you can use to unlock the sets as you see fit.

You get 1 Token when you pre-order either the Battlefield V Deluxe or Standard Edition.
You get 5 Tokens as part of the Battlefield V Deluxe Edition.
You can earn 2 Tokens by playing Battlefield 1, as part of the final stage of the Road to Battlefield V.

The last token
Announced in September, the Firestorm Ranger Set is an additional pre-order bonus.

List of what the sets will be called here at
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/9urhic/battlefield_vs_paratrooper_sets/

full nimbus
#

POW exposing exploit FeelsBanMan

solid hinge
#

Why is it when I play Recon in bf games I cant find nobodeh to shoot

#

🤔

full nimbus
#

Dont camp in base

amber notch
#

TTK And TTD

full nimbus
#

POW stealing all my credits aREEWaves

#

#JusticeForElPepe

amber notch
#

Battlefield V Bug Reporting

#

Please Note
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Patch Notes

fathom pebble
#

@amber notch put a date on the patches notes pin so people know from which update they are to not confuse with upcoming ones

amber notch
#

They will be updated all the time

#

LVL 50 Company Coins Update

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Look Into This Weeks Roadmap November 26th!

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DEC 4th 19 Pages Of Patch Notes

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amber notch
old karma
primal sage
#

So I should have all 10 sets.

#

But I only got 8.

#

I did everything described.

#

I preordered, I played #RoadToBFV, and some how got 8 full tokens.

#

But I had to spend one on Firestorm Ranger.

pure veldt
#

im not one to ever complain but.. m1a1, lol

mossy yarrow
pure veldt
#

when it's the only thing in the entire game that has any lol ok factor

primal sage
#

Sten.

#

For me that’s the Sten.

pure veldt
#

...

#

that just sounds like a troll

rocky verge
#

Mg42 destroys everyone

pure veldt
#

ok i guess we have differences of opinions, nothing in the game kills me worse than m1a1.. mgs, meh, they gotta turtle

#

dont care about them

#

they're 100% useless in normal engagements

mossy yarrow
#

Play only good games ! Nya :3

regal sapphire
#

Am I alone in thinking those airdrops are a complete and utter dissapointment

amber notch
#

the airdrops?

#

me thonking

serene patrol
#

more like the cosmetic system is an utter disappointment, I liked having just a whole weapon skin better, like in BF1

#

not the mention the cosmetic options we have now look like ass. bunch of spray paint jobs

amber notch
#

more are coming dec 4

#

there are so much more cosmetics coming

#

like loads more

serene patrol
#

and I hope they look better

amber notch
#

oh shit yeah

#

they do

#

like are sweet asf

#

and these are official

#

it was recorded at an event

solid hinge
#

The chrome and gold look good

#

Haven't really looked through the others

serene patrol
#

I wouldn't, the chrome and gold are the only good options right now

median plover
#

LF 1 more
SQ 6
NA

solid hinge
#

I do like certain cosmetics being tied to mastery assignments, I hope those ones like the gold stay off the armory

serene patrol
#

that's fine. I wish DICE just copied BF1's cosmetic system, it was very good imo. I didn't mind the battlepack system personally

solid hinge
#

I can understand the appeal, but the amount of RNG was a buzzkill for me.

brave cypress
#

Backpacks would be nice if they cut down on the RNG

#

Like

#

Separate them into categories

#

Medic Guns, Assault guns, Support guns and Scout guns

#

Or

#

Rifles, submachineguns, scout rifles, light machineguns, pistols

#

Etc

#

Complicated but would make a lot of people happy I think

solid hinge
#

I think it would be pretty hard to go back to such a system

brave cypress
#

Nobody wants special pistol skins when they expect a primary weapon

cerulean finch
#

The medic and the assult should share semi auyo rifles

brave cypress
#

Yea tbh

#

Medic feels kinda crap rn

#

Bad range and horrible consistency

cerulean finch
#

Medic for tdm is god but in other modes is so weak

brave cypress
#

The Sten has gotten me killed at "Enemy hit 99" so often I'm done

solid hinge
#

The move to a progression based system allows players to set goals as apposed to "rolling the dice".

#

It's a good start and can only get better from here

#

Medic is actually really good due to the number of smokes they can carry

#

Just has to be properly utilized

#

the bomb for us is missing for some reason

hardy oasis
#

lol that they never fixed that bug

old karma
#

I really like the main theme this time around

#

The beginning of it makes it feel like a race against the clock

primal sage
#

I hate that.

#

Cause if your team drags their feet, it’s over.

topaz dome
#

did they fix the bombs in airborne since the beta?

#

or grand operations*

median plover
#

LF 1 more
SQ 6
NA

solid hinge
#

0.56 k/d nice

#

going for that 0.6

#

I'm at top 6% for revives and top 15% for resupplying

#

top 9% for heals

broken depot
#

hey

#

which ever one you a couple days ago

#

said that the 20mm cannons are bad on the panzer 38

#

you're dumb

median plover
#

LF 1 more
SQ 6
NA

broken depot
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and wrong

severe zealot
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I have some Notes for DEV how i can give to them?

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its PDF file...

solid hinge
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Standard issue rifles

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Like in bf1

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Please

median plover
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LF 1
Sq 6
NA

amber notch
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!lfg

junior mistBOT
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amber notch
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@median plover

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You will have better luck looking in those channels

old karma
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I love that everyone knows the German word for medic now.

pure veldt
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pumpernickle?

old karma
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Sanitater

pure veldt
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why would anyone know that

old karma
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Because you literally shout it nonstop when asking for a medic?

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As Axis obv

pure veldt
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lol never heard it

old karma
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And because its the name of the stahlhelm with the cross on it

pure veldt
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i rarely hold to not bleed out

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if anyone isnt immediately near, its a right click

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99% of time its a right click hold bleed out, respawn asap

old karma
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Have you got the medic helmet for the germans?

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Look at its name

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Actually the whole outfit is called Sanitater

pure veldt
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tbh my brain usually only remembers numbers and symbols, people's names and words are futile 😛

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esp foreign lang words

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those just never get absorbed

old karma
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I feel like you call your parents "parent 1 and parent 2"

pure veldt
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the only thing i remember from medic is "i need a fking medic!"

old karma
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Theres blood everywhere!

pure veldt
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im dyin heeeer!

old karma
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Im buggered!

pure veldt
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like a new yorker

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saying my parents actual names in my head is actually odd 😄

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i dont even say mom or dad, just yick yack and a love ya, bye!

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medic is my 2nd kit im going to focus on, maybe ill hear people

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though ive chosen a HORRIFIC time to do it trying to get "cap 15 pts as allies on Hamada"

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grind fkin fest that one is

old karma
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God. Im working on assault now

pure veldt
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maybe i should switch to conquest..

old karma
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Done medic and support

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So assault is easy

pure veldt
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to 20?

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lol yea

old karma
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Yeah

vernal drum
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Battlefield 1 is still sorta alive

pure veldt
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im trying to complete all my assignments

old karma
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Recon will be annoying

pure veldt
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nah just spot all day and half pay attn lol

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ive seen people top of leaderboard by just sitting spotting

old karma
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True

vernal drum
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is bf5 worth it? (might get it for christmas)

old karma
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Id say so

pure veldt
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is having a kid worth it?

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oh wait

old karma
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Especially if you get it at christmas

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The first free dlc will be out on the 4th

vernal drum
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Aight.

pure veldt
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need to grind kits out before 5th!

amber notch
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just wing it

vernal drum
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will it run on my pc on alright settings?

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GTX 1050 ti, AMD RYZEN 5 1600, 16gb ddr4 ram.

amber notch
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gtx 1050ti will run it at medium

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easily

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used one earlier today after building my cousins pc

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wanted to see what it was like on a 1050ti
16gb of ram is easily plenty

vernal drum
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Thank you 😃

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Considering upgrading it half way through next year, should I skip the 1060 to a 1070 or but the 1060 6gb?

solid hinge
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Will BF5 run on my integrated intel 520?

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Idk about PC gaming..

vernal drum
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lmao

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my old laptop had dedicated graphics, 840M

amber notch
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they were selling the 1070ti ftw for $300 on newegg

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yesterday

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dual fans 8gb

solid hinge
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$180 cheaper than what I bought it for

vernal drum
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shipping costs tho XD

solid hinge
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reee

vernal drum
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(I live in AU)

amber notch
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So do I

solid hinge
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AU is fucked with GPUs

vernal drum
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Newegg au?

amber notch
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I live in Aus, its not bad

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In aus it was 400aud

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300usd

karmic hull
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MM is broken 😦

amber notch
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our currency is a joke

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remember when $1aud was 1,58usd

solid hinge
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Dollaroos?

vernal drum
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oof

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Question: does a mini gpu fit in a normal mid tower case?

regal sapphire
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My GPU is yuuge

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I actually had to buy a new tower xd

vernal drum
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oof. I'm rocking a hella sexy case

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NZXT S340 ELITE

amber notch
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yuck

vernal drum
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?

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It is beautiful

regal sapphire
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I don't even know what my tower is

vernal drum
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I also like the H700i's series

regal sapphire
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Honestly, idgaf

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As long as the hardware is good

vernal drum
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but why put good hardware in a disgusting case?

regal sapphire
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Because no one looks at the case?

pure veldt
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some people get happy looking at their own things 😉

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i had an enclosed full ATX metal case since 2000

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just replaced it.. now i want it all pretty since i can see inside, no more wires lol

regal sapphire
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My case is like a cheap 100 dollar case

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Less than that even

honest crown
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Am i the only one that think LMG's need to be nerfed?

amber notch
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how so

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why do you think they need a nerf

honest crown
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3 - 4 bullet kills No weapon recoil drop off dmg almost non existent, can't run out of ammo due to self resupply Promotes camping no issues with range and around 40 bullet clips

amber notch
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What gun are you basing this off of

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or just lmgs in general

honest crown
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Lewis gun KE7

amber notch
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KE7 will be adjusted soon from the looks of it

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lewis is semi decent

pure veldt
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if someone wants to camp shrug

amber notch
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It gets out gunned by smgs

pure veldt
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they wont be playing very well since you constantly have to move

honest crown
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Semi decent? 47 bullet clips and accuracy penalty even when standing

amber notch
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The fg42 needs a damage nerf

pure veldt
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the ke7 has no ADS perk

honest crown
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no accuracy penalty*

pure veldt
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so anyone can get the jump on them and no hipfire perk either

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its basically a prone or stand still weap

amber notch
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Because its not noticeable, it has recoil just not lots

honest crown
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I'd hazard a guess that 85% of my deaths are to an lmg

amber notch
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and its easy to control

honest crown
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some dude lying down in a random area 2 shotting me

amber notch
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it gets out gunned my 50% of weapons