Seems balanced to me
#battlefield-legacy-titles
blissful otter
south lynx
I actually like it for the most part, the random AT gun placement and random ammo cache placement is a bit awful though.
Then again, towing AT guns is a total clusterfuck, so it's not like they can rely on players emplacing them.
compact oxide
Hamada has grown on me
regal sapphire
It's far too big, people can cross map you with ease, even when you're in the cqb area its not that good
compact oxide
It reminds me of River Somme
blissful otter
Hamada doesnt play well for medics on 70% of the map
south lynx
AT guns should be able to be pushed by hand, very slowly. Would let players put them where they need them without trying to do yoga with a transport.
blissful otter
Just one side of the bridge is decent at best for your encounters
south lynx
Medics need some LR love.
IMO they should have the semi-auto rifles, not assaults.
Or in addition to assaults.
compact oxide
Really bad start but enough cover to hide. It's really big like Sinai though so you end up covering only a specific part of the map
blissful otter
Who tf thought that smg should have more recoil than any ar or lmg
south lynx
I'd be okay either way.
regal sapphire
Exchange assault weapons with medic weapons, buff SMGs and give access to SLRs for both
south lynx
Could work. SMGs getting buffed would either turn them into CQB deletion machines, or completely overlap them with ARs though.
regal sapphire
Maybe tone down the StG 15 while youre messing with it
Give them a bit more accuracy perhaps
Like the sten is very poor on range
Shakes violently everywhere even on 30ms
south lynx
I'd be fine with them overlapping with ARs, but DICE apparently wants them to have very distinct roles.
jovial forge
Does Hamada have regular conquest rotation or do we have to hope in Ops
compact oxide
IMO stg is in a good place
tiny lantern
this game is going to get real boring real soon when a whole lot of things gets nerfed.
compact oxide
But the smgs need to be much higher dps with more dropoff
jovial forge
That and when the players with low attentions spans hop off like every other game
compact oxide
Ah
south lynx
Hamada shows up in regular CQ. It's CQA though.
regal sapphire
I'd tone down the damage a bit
proper tundra
Anyone on ps4 down for 32 player modes
jovial forge
I just got off
regal sapphire
compensate by making it a bit more accurate but still high fire rate
south lynx
@tiny lantern What do you think is going to get nerfed?
proper tundra
Oof
hoary condor
Will be on 
this weekend
south lynx
So far the only thing I can see that's almost certain to get nerfed is bombers, but they deserve to be beaten to death with the nerf bat.
jovial forge
Planes seem fine to me, they have to resupply
regal sapphire
If BF5 stays like this im probably never coming back to bf1
jovial forge
rather then getting magic ammo
compact oxide
Possibly the M1907?
proper tundra
^
tiny lantern
wonder what bombs actually do 
regal sapphire
The Heavy bomber is a flak sponge
jovial forge
Then again im on console so PC is a whole different beast
south lynx
Bombers don't tank direct hits from literally hundreds of 20mm shells for days on end.
That's what they don't do.
Except in BFV.
solid hinge
Thryve already said they are increasing flak damage to bombers next update
south lynx
Bombs being lethal isn't a problem, that's fine.
solid hinge
Along with changing it so when you resupply planes the bombs arent auto reloded
south lynx
It's bombers being total fucking bricks that's a problem.
rocky verge
Got the cricket bat
regal sapphire
Maybe nerf flak damage against fighters
rocky verge
solid hinge
They said flak against fighters is fine
compact oxide
They're also increasing flak damage against bombers
jovial forge
Bombs anot auto being resupplied might be a bad move
tiny lantern
I totally agree with lowering its HP or whatever but damages for anything atm seems reasonable.
jovial forge
actually that is with how quick a decent fighter can tear it up
south lynx
Flak against fighters feels about right. Catch a fighter in a bad place and it dies, but a good pilot can duck under it and get out reliably.
regal sapphire
Idk, if you can get like 5 shots on fighters you instantly down them
solid hinge
Its to do with when you resupply bombs you dont have to reload
So you can bomb straight away after getting ammo
tiny lantern
Bolt actions being a 2 shot body kill, I don't mind that. Since it makes headshots actually feel more rewarding.
regal sapphire
Did they talk about performance on the stream or no?
Oh my lord it feels so good getting headshots off
jovial forge
@regal sapphire You mean bomber mgs or its rear mg?
regal sapphire
I was popping heads with the Gewehr 95
tiny lantern
Pistols actually do things now thank fuck for that.
south lynx
Best feeling is throwing knives.
lucid marsh
Ruby ruby ruby
jovial forge
1911 for me
regal sapphire
Ruby is trash
jovial forge
The lack of revolvers saddens me though
regal sapphire
1911 is decent
tiny lantern
MG's are okay IMO. Medic SMG's have weird kicks lul
south lynx
Actually that's a wish list item for me. Throwing knives on at least one combat role for each class.
lucid marsh
So far it works the best for me
karmic hull
breakthrough is having loading screen issue after each round
south lynx
Combat medic seems like they could work with throwing knives.
regal sapphire
Well anyways bois, gonna head to bed now
south lynx
They've already got increased melee range.
lucid marsh
I'd take the repieterpistole but its reload is SO LONG
regal sapphire
👋
jovial forge
seeya
south lynx
Just make CM the shank everything setup.
Bayonets on the SMGs, throwing knives, melee range. Stab everyone, all the time. Stab your teammates to res them, stab your enemies to not res them.
compact oxide
Yeah tbh the repeterpistole is probably better than the ruby but I need all the bullets
lucid marsh
Bayonets on smg sounds so weird xD
lucid marsh
It is, but the reload is so much higher
jovial forge
Bayonets for days
compact oxide
10 bullets
karmic hull
why BFV is so adductive
tiny lantern
I want that supressed M1911 from SP
south lynx
So what are people's thoughts on AA tanks vs infantry? I feel like the Wirbelwind is underwhelming. Scary sounding, but it takes so many hits to kill.
lucid marsh
If you want a tank vs infantry, just take a tank
compact oxide
They seem to screw up my aim more than suppression
south lynx
Given how bad AA tanks are versus planes and other tanks, infantry are their only remaining valid target.
lucid marsh
I think they are decent but you'd be better off towing an AA turret behind smth
jovial forge
why take AA to a infantry battle when regular tanks are still in play
Regular ones will shred it
south lynx
Because having a completely useless tank is dumb? I'm talking about potential changes.
lucid marsh
Buff AA tanks would be the better change then
south lynx
Right now the AA tanks are basically pointless. You waste a tank spawn for something that doesn't do any better than a static or towed AA.
So you'd prefer to buff them vs aircraft instead of vs infantry?
lucid marsh
Well yeah that should be their role no?
south lynx
Right now the Wirbel takes more hits to kill than any infantry gun.
jovial forge
Well its AA so it being good at AA stuff is preferable
south lynx
IRL they were used as both anti-air and anti-infantry weapons.
I know RL doesn't hold a lot of weight with BF, but it's a thought.
jovial forge
yeah IRL that thing is a death machine
lucid marsh
But then you'd have balancing issues, you'd like a tank blowing everything up around you with flak shells?
jovial forge
Bombers bombing both enemies and friendlies
lucid marsh
The allied tank takes like 3 hits to kill someone? If I wasn't swarmed right outside my spawn by infantry I could have gotten more than just the 3
south lynx
The 40mm gun is 3 hits to kill yeah, the 20mms on the Wirbel are like ten.
jovial forge
BC2 level of spawn camp is creeping back on the seen
lucid marsh
Nah they were moving from flag to flag, which happens to go across the field right in front of the main spawn
jovial forge
One of my last games had a squad that would not gtfo away from the spawn. Killed but it was such a nusiance as a tanker
south lynx
Tanks need an infantry screen now, which is good.
Much prefer that to BF1-style juggernauts that can just YOLO a point.
jovial forge
Im fine tanking alone. I dont drive it into the face of assaults
They gotta work to get me
south lynx
Right, that's the alternative, keep away.
If you want to push into a town though, you need to have a strong infantry presence.
lucid marsh
I find it pretty funny tho, one of those AA tanks tried to shoot at the bridge on Aras, so when I looked over the edge to spot it 5 allies already swarmed its backside and the tank didn't even notice them until it blew up, from my viewpoint it looked so funny
jovial forge
No keep away is when one takes a enemies vehicle
lucid marsh
I like being the secondary gunner on a tank, feels like a tank commander switching between the top gun and front gun depending on danger
south lynx
E.g. you can't push E on Arras with a lone tank. And it's risky even with an infantry screen.
calm meteor
i got my mosquito stuck on the bridge on twisted steel, bailed out and proceded to kill 10 attackers on foot
jovial forge
Leaving the team to tank a point alone is always risky. Hanging back behind providing support is much better
south lynx
Yep.
jovial forge
Only in battlefield
lucid marsh
Atm I like tanks because they take away so much attentions
south lynx
BF1 tanks could just yolo wherever.
jovial forge
One of my games had like 8 panzfaust come flying my way from multiple directions
lucid marsh
And provide anti sniper cover through open terrain
jovial forge
yet only 2 hit 😐
south lynx
Yeah, tanks make a great "Deal with that right now" threat.
Especially if you're in one of the noisier setups like the autocannon light vehicles.
Staghound gets all the hate.
It's fantastic.
lofty widget
Panzerfausts are most likely get put where they bellong. Personally I think they hit too hard and the max (3) should be 2.
jovial forge
Feels good getting those long ball cannon kills with tanks
south lynx
I need to get the Churchill, Churchill GC, and both AA tanks to rank 4 then I'll have all of them kitted out. Still not sold on any of the heavy hulls.
jovial forge
Just watch it wizz over the field killing the unsuspecting victims
south lynx
Panzerfausts are perfect where they are.
lofty widget
So many indiciators stating otherwise
jovial forge
No not that rocket launcher. the Panzer IV tank
south lynx
Like what.
lofty widget
Doing higher damage than other tanks
compact oxide
Remember in the beta when you could get 5 panzerfausts? Pepperige farm renembers
silk flax
lol!
jovial forge
lol
lucid marsh
I hate the reload animation tho
south lynx
It's got mediocre velocity and it's carried by a squishy infantry dude.
If it did less damage than a tank round it would be a non-threat.
lofty widget
Mediocre? Nah.
lucid marsh
If you're busy throwing the panzerfaust away and you stop that animation, you have to throw it away again!
lofty widget
You can have 3 rockets. AND c4 lmao
jovial forge
A solid shot to the engine is deadly
lofty widget
Its so easy to hit tanks.
south lynx
Yes, and tanks are pretty freaking resilient.
lofty widget
Now at longer distances sure its kinda hard. But its not a long range weapon anyways
jovial forge
but even getting hit period is enough to do work
south lynx
If panzerfausts got nerfed I'd be able to be a lot more ballsy with tanks.
compact oxide
What they should add is the ability to interact with a vehicle to pry open to driver port and steal it halo style
lofty widget
They dont need a hard nerf.
pure veldt
why are people saying you spend CC on weaps and vehicles?
lofty widget
Plus is it a nerf is something is OP in the first place.
lucid marsh
Would be cool to toss a grenade inside
south lynx
A) Yes it's a nerf and B) P.fausts aren't OP.
lofty widget
Plus panzer being 1 of MANY ways to disable a tank
south lynx
I've been tanking almost more than playing infantry this week.
lofty widget
supports have mines and grande launchers as well.
jovial forge
A persistent squad of panzerfaust is OP tho
pure veldt
hell i just took out a tank with 2 AT nade pistols on Support from 50y 😄
south lynx
And nerfing panzerfausts isn't necessary.
lofty widget
Like i said, alot of people disagree
compact oxide
Hell it even says on the incindary nades to throw it at a tank intake port
south lynx
A persistent squad of assaults is a full squad dedicated to ending your existence.
That's a fair trade.
lofty widget
Well that and they can also do a shit load of other things as well
south lynx
People want tanks to be BF1-style juggernauts.
jovial forge
nah
pure veldt
a minority of people
pure veldt
they go low we go high!
tanks imo are a 1 off addition to some modes and you're expecting to be blown the fk up
lofty widget
You got grandes, mines, panzerfausts, bombers, grenade launchers And other tanks
south lynx
Nerfing Panzerfausts would boost tanks. The pfaust is the most common, hardest counter to the tank.
lucid marsh
It does give people fun reactions
lofty widget
It wouldnt boost them to BF1 style tho
lucid marsh
Pushing up and running into a tank "ah well nope not going here then"
lofty widget
It really depends on how hard they are nerfed
south lynx
They're good as-is. Two to spawn with and three if you tag a supply station is fine.
jovial forge
Hilarious when scouts get caught out in the open while in a tank
solid hinge
Maybe make panzers reload a little slower
pure veldt
pretty sure my support nade pistol took out a Panver IV 2 shots on the turret, landed em right on top
lofty widget
BF1 also didnt have the vehicle damage system we have now
south lynx
If you really insist that they need to be less punchy, just make their angle modifier worse.
jovial forge
@pure veldt Tank was already damaged most likely
solid hinge
panzerfaust reload slower*
solid hinge
If theres two guys with a rockets you cant really do anything with that slow rotation speed
pure veldt
i mean i guess it coulda been a 38T
lofty widget
You can now disable the tracks, gunner and engine. That makes anything agfainst tanks extremely powerful
solid hinge
However
south lynx
You could disable the tracks and gunners in BF1.
pure veldt
not a lot of other people around punching it
solid hinge
Repair tool repairs tanks insanely quick on support engineer role
lofty widget
ah i didnt know, didnt feel lik eit
solid hinge
Repair tooling a tank beats two assault classes with rockets
south lynx
It was harder, took 2-3 hits, but you could do it. Theoretically that was the entire point of the K bullets, but BF1 recon players were all idiots.
lucid marsh
I want to punch a tank
lofty widget
Panzerfausts should be a supplmentary tool to deal with tanks, not the juggernaught rival they are now
south lynx
The idea was that recons would spam K-bullets in groups and disable the tank for assaults to finish off.
jovial forge
Got some good kills with k bullets
south lynx
But recons never fired K bullets in quantity or with enough accuracy to crit tanks out.
compact oxide
I agree that panzers should be slightly nerfed, but only with faster splash falloff
Also you can't use them while jumping
Because screw those guys
south lynx
Supplementary to what?
jovial forge
What if they gave the panzerfaust the Carl Gustav launcher treatment
lofty widget
to everything else. Nades, mines, bombers
south lynx
Remove the threat that keeps tanks at range and they'll roll up for close support, becoming a hell of a lot nastier.
lofty widget
I already roll up with support with other infantry
south lynx
Panzerfausts keep tanks at distance.
south lynx
Then you've either seen dumb opposing teams or amazing infantry screens.
jovial forge
AT mines block paths
compact oxide
At mines are easy to see now imo
south lynx
Worst AT mine location ever is that shallow pool of water outside the German spawn in Devastation.
lucid marsh
Unless you're one of those people who walk in front of a tank to place them down
lofty widget
Regardless of weapon damage, you shouldnt be able to carry 3 rockets as an assault
start with 1. max 2
south lynx
Why not?
lofty widget
Why not have 5?
compact oxide
If you do that you could just as easily do dynamite @lucid marsh
lofty widget
3's too many thats why
south lynx
Well if we're talking about regardless of damage, why not have five?
You can't disconnect quantity from damage.
That's fucking stupid.
lofty widget
....Im saying if you Dont nerf damage you must take away max capactiy
lofty widget
Thats exactly what i said
compact oxide
Make them carry 1 but make it an instagib for tanks
south lynx
[11:35 PM] StarGazeJunker: Regardless of weapon damage, you shouldnt be able to carry 3 rockets as an assault
Do you not understand what regardless means?
south lynx
No, it wasn't obvious.
lofty widget
I forgot a word
south lynx
I am not a fucking psychic.
solid hinge
my main issue is that your tracks get fucked in like, one hit
and you're pretty much dead if that happens
lofty widget
If you arent going to nerf damage then you nerf capacity
solid hinge
unless you're a mile away
south lynx
If you're in close, yep. Track hits are nasty.
compact oxide
Can't you get protection for tracks?
south lynx
Only on some tanks.
solid hinge
uh, on the panzer 4 yes
compact oxide
And emergency repair fixes it?
solid hinge
not sure about others
do you think we are goint o have to pay for tides of war?
nah its free
lofty widget
no paying for any dlc
south lynx
Emergency repair doesn't fix it, you can get track repair that fixes it.
solid hinge
aite good
south lynx
Emergency repair just gives HP back.
solid hinge
i mean it is EA after all so had to ask 
compact oxide
Oh that sucks
south lynx
@lofty widget I still haven't heard a coherent argument why the panzerfaust needs to be nerfed.
It's doing its job well.
It's not so oppressive that tanks can't survive.
But it keeps them well back from the fight.
solid hinge
I think the main points Id like addressed are angling damage and frontal armour hits on the tiger 4, make angling your tank more effective in the first case and reduce damage taken in the second
Force people to flank Tigers
and make people learn to position properly in all tanks
lofty widget
Ive seen diff. Ive seen it be completly oppresive. But let me ask you a question. Are we talking conquest here? Cuz i dont play conquest
I only play frontlines/breakthrough/grandops
south lynx
Yeah I'm talking CQ.
lofty widget
Oh well screw that. Waste of a mode, circlejerk
south lynx
That's your opinon.
lofty widget
Correct.
south lynx
But weapons have to be balanced for all modes.
lofty widget
Thats not possible.
south lynx
And nerfing panzerfausts would give tanks an edge up in CQ that they don't need.
lofty widget
Conquest and the others are fundementally different. Almost entirely different games
south lynx
My one and only experience with frontlines was being farmed by bombers because we literally had no answer to them.
I was not impressed.
lofty widget
Frontlines are good and bad ill say that
south lynx
One AA gun and one plane, and the plane pilot had decided to pull a Ju 88 and fuck off all match.
lofty widget
But breakthrough and grand ops fk me
solid hinge
has anyone figured out if you can kill the pilots in the cockpit via small arms fire?
lofty widget
so good
amber notch
its great
i enjoy it
its well balanced apart from the bombers
i like the day system just means more kills
lofty widget
Balancing for both conquest and the other modes is asking for trouble.
south lynx
That's literally what DICE has to do though.
lofty widget
No they dont. They could EASILY change small things between them. its their game./
south lynx
Or cut a mode, or orphan it. And they're not going to orphan CQ, it's the classic BF mode.
solid hinge
Conquest is the game's primary mode, so normally they balance around that
without being so egregious as to fuck over the other modes
south lynx
You don't easily maintain split weapon stats.
solid hinge
Like there's issues for sure, but still
jovial forge
problem is they sometimes over nerf things
south lynx
There's nothing easy about modal balancing. Ask any MMO dev that's ever tried it.
You're basically balancing two games at that point.
jovial forge
Back in BF4 they nerfed everything but Assault to the ground
lofty widget
Never stated it was easy. But it aint as hard as your making it to be
south lynx
11:43 PM] StarGazeJunker: No they dont. They could EASILY change small things between them. its their game./
I can fucking quote you dude.
lofty widget
There aren't that many changes needed either
south lynx
Don't do this shit.
lofty widget
I said they could EASILY 'Make' the change. Not that the decision of WHAT change would be easy.
calm down
south lynx
You have no idea if that would be easy or not.
Depends on how the engine is laid out, and TBH I doubt it would be as easy as you think.
lofty widget
Ok. Listen buddy. We're arguing over semantics. I actually dont care if its easy or not. Its doable.
south lynx
You'd basically have to maintain a separate stat data set for each mode, and reference the correct data set per mode. Which the game may very well not be set up to do easily.
lofty widget
Conquest is a different beast than these new modes theyve started in BF1. Conquest is an open map 24/7. While these modes move through smaller portions. There is no 'one size fits all'.
Breakthrough/frontlines/grandops could use one. Conquest another. nobody cares aobut team dm or the other one
south lynx
DICE devs do.
lofty widget
yea im sure they love their CoD team deathmatch shit. But that aint bf
tiny lantern
ayy POW, which do you prefer right now? Kar or the Gewehr?
south lynx
So you're completely unrealistic in your expectations, got it.
lofty widget
You're passionate. No need to put thoughts in my mouth or head
south lynx
I'm calling it like I see it.
lofty widget
Everyones eyesight is different
It wouldn't be hard to make changes to the panzerfaust for frontlines/breakthrough/grandops. thats it
south lynx
You don't know that.
lofty widget
I do.
lofty widget
I've worked in UE4 for around 2 years now as a hobbyist dev
solid hinge
Ladies you're both pretty, just agree to disagree.
south lynx
Congrats, UE isn't Frostbite, and if you're not completely incompetent you know how complex 'simple' things are in dev.
lofty widget
And im done.
solid hinge
Does any1 have the clip of that guy building and losing everything bec a tank drove over it on twisted steel ?
solid hinge
I did
tbf, I've done that before
but the mfker built the fortification and blocked me in
so it's his own fault
lofty widget
lol
jovial forge
Ran over a squad hiding in a shed with fortifications....it was pretty funny
south lynx
Shoot fortifications, get points for frustrating your team's supports. #justtankerthings
tiny lantern
Star, you did game dev as well?
solid hinge
The tanks in BFV feel like they have more oomph behind them
Like you can crash through houses without stopping
and its the greatest
Tanks in BF1 get stuck a lot
solid hinge
Ty
lofty widget
np
south lynx
Tanks in BFV still get stuck on weird stuff. And they wobble on terrain way too much.
jovial forge
BF1 tanks would lose against slightly big rocks getting flipped over
lofty widget
The terrain is weird in general
south lynx
Everything acts like it's reinforced concrete, not mud or dirt. Little humps that should get completely flattened instead act like a fulcrum.
lofty widget
I can prone on my back and see through hills someimtes
jovial forge
However the oomph on tanks in BFV does ring true
only gets better with increased loading mechansm
lofty widget
Itd be cool if supports got an option to use their slots to carry like 5 tank rounds from ressuply depots to the tank and load it
jovial forge
Still waiting on RU and US faction to appear
lofty widget
like give up at mines for it
lofty widget
Risky is my middle name
south lynx
I'm still waiting on those towable resupply points they mentioned early on.
lofty widget
headshot
solid hinge
Part of me wishes tank and plane carcasses would be persistent for the entire match
lofty widget
ooof im still waiting on towables to tow lol
solid hinge
depending on the game mode of course
lofty widget
not glitch the entire vehicle making it fly
lofty widget
great idea, just need work
south lynx
Also, they need to let you push them around very slowly by hand.
So you can do fine positioning.
lofty widget
thad be dope
jovial forge
my own teammate ran me over towing a PAK-40
south lynx
Rather than trying to do transport ballet.
solid hinge
I towed a guy using an AA gun into a barn and left him there
worth it for the sad look he gave me
I havent tried it but I imagine you cant use a PAK 40 while its being towed?
jovial forge
you can i think
solid hinge
jesus what
south lynx
What. How.
jovial forge
Makeshift arty truck
solid hinge
so how does the MG42 perform?
bullet hose that shreds? or a piece of crap?
There's never a middle ground
jovial forge
bullets for days
south lynx
Assuming it's anything like the MG34, nasty.
jovial forge
havent used it tho
south lynx
The 34 is a buzzsaw.
jovial forge
Yes big machine guns can do that
solid hinge
christ, 1000 rpm
agile vessel
So when did DICE decide that the fact that the Germans get a Sturmtiger and the Brits get a Churchill Mk. IV Crocodile was balanced?
solid hinge
glad its being mostly accurate
south lynx
Well the Sturm is kinda pants.
jovial forge
The Sturm need suuport or to hang back to be deadly
south lynx
Not awful, but zero traverse means you're relegated to mid-to-short range fights. Plus the rocket has horrible ballistics.
agile vessel
True.
But seriously, a Churchill Mk. IV with a flamethrower only the passenger can use?
And that's the Brit tank thingy? Ha.
south lynx
It does damage tanks.
jovial forge
Only used the sturm once and it was in the beta. Hit a cocky bomber with it
south lynx
My Pz. 38(t) found that out the hard way.
calm meteor
i still wish it was a brummbar instead of a sturmtiger because it does not give that 380mm derp rocket justice
agile vessel
Tiger II. 😛
south lynx
Company of Heroes 2 kind of makes every other attempt at the Sturmtiger firing pale in comparison.
agile vessel
Aside from suppressive fire, is there any other reason to use the 100 round belts on the 34?
Because the 75 round drum reloads faster as well as having more ammo.
jovial forge
personal preferance
south lynx
If you want the reduced muzzle flash.
solid hinge
Jagdtiger please
I do wonder if they'll give us more tank options for each side later down the track
agile vessel
Hopefully.
south lynx
It might be conformation bias, but I feel like the reduced muzzle flash is actually useful.
agile vessel
I didn't think of that.
jovial forge
not 100% but give a little edge
sonic dragon
hi 😮
jovial forge
Also consider the fact that reduced muzzle flash can be countered by other players listening, Scouts and practically anything once they realize your there
solid hinge
Jesus nvm, apparently with the right specialisation the MG42 hits 1200 RPM
good lord
Its an MMG though, so a defensive weapon
but one that will shred squads if you're not careful
Eu servers on ps4 are dead
Lol
But in the evening it comes to life
Whats the right spec? @solid hinge
Im not in game atm but one of the specs lets you up it to 1200rpm as well as lower the recoil slightly
sacred junco
Man everyone circlejerks over large maps only for nobody liking most of em
south lynx
Can't decide if I was being an ass or justified. But I just went out of my way to avoid giving ammo to a sniper who decided that the best way to request ammo was to park himself in front of me while I was trying to suppress a doorway.
solid hinge
It's situationally a super effective weapon, but you cant run and gun
Nah, let him die
sonic dragon
is aperture the only good sight for gewehr?
solid hinge
I use the scope
solid hinge
yeah, i find it to be really good
though its personal opinion really
depends on your playstyle
solid hinge
yeah you have to work around that
one of the specs lets you ads faster i think
id have to check again
sonic dragon
yea i might have to switch that too lol
amber notch
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Assault Allies
Assault Axis
Medic Allies
Medic Axis
Support Allies
Support Axis
Recon Allies
Recon Axis
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brisk cedar
@amber notch Thanks Nathan, looks neat.
modest edge
@muted valve Awesome man! 
sonic dragon
amber notch
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hoary condor
never understood the gas mask on the recon...
hoary condor
even assult
hoary condor
rip
amber notch
so i had to grind every class till i found out what one it was
hoary condor
haha
dire quiver
I have a deluxe friend who can't access BFV
compact oxide
I use that kit but without the mask
amber notch
then my lvl 20 bugged for all of them apart from medic and support so i had to contact EA support to get them to fix it, and they fixed it within seconds lol
hoary condor
ha that's good
dire quiver
I'm pretty satisfied with BFV
amber notch
have you seen the new gas mask?
hoary condor
the live stream was good, caught it this morning
dire quiver
I've only played like one round tho
hoary condor
hoary condor
it looks great, i'm going to do story mode first to get used to gameplay
then online 
hoary condor
it's positive
hoary condor
you never start good, it just takes time to gg
south lynx
Ugh, I'm going negative because my team refuses to PTFO.
dire quiver
Funny thing is I did much better in my first BFV match than I did my past 20 BF1 matches
hoary condor
lmfao
dire quiver
I went negative in all 20
hoary condor
nothing worse
south lynx
Can't really defend 1v6 effectively.
lime carbon
hey guys, does anyone else having an issue where BFV keeps showing the prologue each time you run the game, despite the fact that you've already completed it ?
dire quiver
Nope
lime carbon
it drives me nuts
dire quiver
I haven't had any bugs or issues whatsoever
hoary condor
i play as scout.. but i'm usually the first in to cap flags....
the spot flares help out so much
sonic dragon
how do you unhook the crocodile from the tank?
dire quiver
Idk
restive talon
@amber notch are those outfits used with the outfit token?
amber notch
@restive talon what one
minor gale
Axis recon is the best ❤️
restive talon
Medic axis medic allies
hoary condor
Recon Allies ❤
restive talon
Recon axis hella good
solid hinge
can woman in BF please get some hair
its tilting me
not like i play one, but so ugly to look at
hoary condor
i've never understood why people care so much about what character they are.. if they can dress in a uniform and look good... and you can shoot... what more to you need? lol
solid hinge
idc how they look really its just the hair
lucid marsh
Everyone should be gunter
solid hinge
the baldness in this game
compact oxide
I want them to add hair so I can show people it's my choice my women are bald 😉
hoary condor
maybe this is why cod moved to robots 
lucid marsh
The hair is annoying yeah, it just looks off
But in CoD the women at least have a ponytail
solid hinge
hoary condor
has anyone flown the stuka? Any good?
solid hinge
I feel like with all the bugs and shit going on we should atleast have deserved some hair
hoary condor
the bugs aren't intentional.. bugs are bugs..
solid hinge
There should be limits to bugs tho. Are their engine that bad
I mean we had an alpha
we had a beta
unreal charm
welcome to dice game
solid hinge
its been weeks
unreal charm
BF4 was way worse than this
hoary condor
the engine is great! you can't prevent the limits of bugs
any form of dev work has problems when it's first release..
solid hinge
the most tilting part is they arent doing anything about their "hardcore" players that sit hours in and out at level 50
hoary condor
it's how the support comes into play release patches
solid hinge
and not give us a way to achieve company coins until 6th of decemeber
its a easy hotfix
for that
south lynx
You know, everyone who says it's an easy hotfix has never deployed code to a production server.
hoary condor
if we received everything at once.. the game would get boring... it's good to have the wait for different bits
lucid marsh
The most annoying thing that feel buggy
hoary condor
i know @south lynx i was going to say that...
solid hinge
@south lynx I havent im ranting
lucid marsh
Is when you run into small debri you apperently can't run over
solid hinge
@south lynx I have no idea about coding, but id still appreacite a patch for it
hoary condor
it's an easy hotfix... how do you fix it then?
solid hinge
they dont care about the people at 50 that already has 60 hours in the game. IN GAME PLAYED
hoary condor
devs are probably just waiting to get all reported/known bugs and then do a big update instead of small patches
south lynx
Even assuming that dev gives you the code within 24h of the issue, you've got to test it to make sure it's not gonna blow shit up, then probably do a backup (And TEST your bloody backup) before you deploy it.
solid hinge
They have for sure atleast 100 bugs
hoary condor
the game is only released early.. it's not officially out on standard yet... give it time lol
solid hinge
atleast including not reported ones
south lynx
It's extremely unpleasant to miss that whole backup-and-verify stage only to have code blow up a live server.
hoary condor
that's a mad up number.. you don't know that lol
solid hinge
@hoary condor I dont mind the bugs really its the company coins that irritating me really
as long as I can still play the game I will
hoary condor
after 20/11/2018 it will get better.. remember standard isn't out yet...
solid hinge
I really dont think so, but I hope im wrong.
hoary condor
You will be
south lynx
It's a BF launch.
The last one I recall going smoothly was BC.
And I may simply have nostalgia goggles on for that.
solid hinge
I wish they could atleast say something to the community that are 50 like "hey we are working on something"
worn pilot
They are?
solid hinge
hard to resupply planes?
solid hinge
n tanks
worn pilot
Bfv subreddit
solid hinge
Right mb they actually said they. But not until 6th of december
which is 2-3 weeks from now
we get 300 coins a day
hoary condor
which is only like 1-2 weeks after the standard release of the game
solid hinge
and we arent even 1/4th of unlocking spec stuff
hoary condor
that seems fine
solid hinge
I cant be "ahead of the curve" then
worn pilot
Lol
hoary condor
Guess not.. give standard players a chance too
solid hinge
i could on beta
solid hinge
oh dz points?
But I mean why not reward players that are spending hours and hours into this game. Its not a fotball cup where everyone gets a medal
solid hinge
I just wished they did something now. Instead of postponing it
south lynx
Congrats.
south lynx
Was it on Aerodrome?
lean flicker
Yeah!
south lynx
Because I retract half the congratulations if so.
lean flicker
Hah
south lynx
Let me guess, firing into the corridor on one side of the hangar?
lean flicker
❤️
south lynx
That hallway is EZ mode for multikills.
I'm fucking awful and I can usually rack up a triple there.
lean flicker
I just jumped in the hangar and was firing rounds with that sweet sniper rilfe, idk the name
And I aimed at a guy
Hit him
solid hinge
idk squid it just feels awful being set back while getting gold on weapons not affording spec unlocks
lean flicker
And also hit his friend 20 m from him
solid hinge
atleast letting us refund for company coins would be nice
or getting company coins when u leveled a class and or weapon aswell
or give us more assignments
south lynx
Bleh. I think I've had enough of beating my head against the wall of BF planes.
At least for a while.
I feel like I'm not getting any better.
And dying to un-fun tactics more.
solid hinge
How many guns do people have in gold atm?
lucid marsh
I quite like the seat swapping
None so far, but I only got 7-8 h playtime and keep switching weapons
south lynx
Seat swapping is a dumb tactic, your bomber should nose dive when you get out of the seat, not float along like a helium balloon.
Or rather, it's a smart tactic, it's really fucking dumb that it's possible.
lucid marsh
Oh I meant its fine for the second guy in the plane to do it xD
Yeah pilot is a bit shit
Tho I'm used to that
south lynx
Piloting in BF screws me all up because I'm fighting my instincts constantly.
Plus I still can't wrap my head around what makes it tick.
lucid marsh
Used to play a game where people would take whats basically a vtol with a tank strapped underneath and then use it to shoot down persuing fighters by nose diving, changing seat to the cannon and change back again
south lynx
Planetside 2?
Because that sounds a whole lot like stupid gunship stunts in Planetside 2.
south lynx
Yeah, PS2 piloting was weird.
I gave up on it when they released that awful TR lock-on launcher.
lucid marsh
I did shoot down the best pilot of the Vanu with it tho
south lynx
The one that was glitched and would track through terrain.
lucid marsh
Not the stunt, I was belly gunning for someone else
south lynx
Ah, yeah. Gunships were fun when they weren't nerfed into oblivion.
Waaay OP at the beginning, but they got shafted so hard by a couple years in.
Then again PS2 was basically criminally mis-managed.
lucid marsh
Our outfit got quite good too so was a lot of fun
Yeah I wasn't that good, but later I upgraded then I got decent
south lynx
I used to run with a small group of former Eve players, we weren't big but we did one thing really, really well: Killing Sunderers.
lucid marsh
We met the creator...higby? And were invited to play the new continent (Hossin?) as the first players
south lynx
Also, other stupid Sunderer shenanigans. A couple of our folks did nothing but practice getting Sunderers wedged in places they shouldn't be.
Second floor of tech plants, inside biolabs, etc.
lucid marsh
Killing sunderers is always good xD
I got one vid of myself using a harasser to jump into one of those towers
south lynx
We did dumb stuff like exploiting squad leader swaps to keep fresh beacons up so we could use the drop pods as artillery.
Before they nerfed pods so they wouldn't crush vehicles.
lucid marsh
Oh yeah we did that too
I did learn the one trick for the NC fighter to turn around quickly but other then that I never flew
south lynx
I don't think we really pioneered any special stuff, just got really good at it and focused exclusively on it.
The vertical thrust reversal?
Worked for all the ESFs, trickiest to do with the Scythe.
south lynx
I pretty much gave up when they started adding lock-on everything.
Because fuck that noise.
IMO lock-on anything was a mistake.
lucid marsh
I played for a few, stopped, play again
south lynx
Hah, nice jump.
lucid marsh
Eh it was okay since lolpods became so popular and strong
And I once killed a guy by locking onto his quad and it hit him in the head instead
south lynx
Rocket pods got nerfed super hard though.
lucid marsh
They added a lot of stupid stuff tho
Shotguns on the harassers
One really cool rocket launcher tho, I loved it
south lynx
About the only thing I recall them adding that was actually really awesome was the lancer. And TBH that was borderline broken with a coordinated squad.
lucid marsh
The base Basislisk was good for anything at one point
The lancer, what was that again?
south lynx
Vanu specific 'launcher', was the charge beam cannon.
south lynx
I remember us dropping a squad of lancers + medics and engineers on a hill overlooking the desert basin part of Indar, ahead of the armor zerg.
lucid marsh
I loved the Lightning tank, tbh I pretty much only used NS weapons
lucid marsh
Oh, so you were also around for the glorious time of the crown
south lynx
Bunch of ex-Eve players, so primarying targets was second nature.
Crown fights, yeah. Stupid but so much fun.
lucid marsh
The coolest thing I've been part of is a huge tank battle between the NC and Terrans on that Ice continent, the part where there is a huge flat lake with only one long bridge across. At night
So sad they changed the crown, but with the new system they had to
lucid marsh
The best was us as one platoon fighting off near 3 enemy platoons for one single bridge right in front of their warpgate when you couldn't lock things down yet.
The game holds a special place in my heart tho, I hope they make a sequel at one point, going back now makes me confused and it feels a bit clunky
south lynx
A sequel would be nice, but they need to take a very critical look at what went wrong in PS2 if they do that.
lucid marsh
I'm hoping for moments like that in BFV as well
south lynx
I already got shafted out of a moment like that.
Nailed a bomber with the Tiger's main gun.
It flew off.
I was not happy.
lucid marsh
Thats what I kinda miss
south lynx
IMO hitting a bomber with any tank cannon (Not the autocannons though) should be an instant kill.
lucid marsh
I would usually go with a small group of friends, each taking a vanguard and sitting on a hill shooting down ESF's and libs
At least s tank should do extreme damage to a plane
@south lynx #streams-and-videos by far the funniest moment, rounding up as many galaxies as we could
south lynx
Wait, did you folks do this live on a dev stream?
I remember something like this on a dev stream at one point.
cunning thorn
Sry if this was asked before. I want to know if I can play BF5 right now if I get the Origin Basic $5 one?
south lynx
Not sure, I know you can with Premiere (The $15 sub)
cunning thorn
Yea the site is not clear >.<
I just want to test out the game for 10 hours before dropping $60
And tomorrow is friday, so I thought this is perfect time. haha don't want to wait till next week.
south lynx
It's pretty good. A bit buggy.
Also, bombers are a known problem but apparently getting looked at.
I will complain about them until they actually die when shot at.
gray glade
is it me or is the stuka dive bomber the "weakest" bomber?
not the one where u can get 38 bombs or something, the other one
south lynx
Kinda, yeah.
hoary condor
stuka only used to hold one bomb.. i thought
south lynx
I'm hoping the B-2 with the BK 3,7s makes up for it.
lucid marsh
Not sure if there was a dev involved in this one, we had contacts with several
hoary condor
it's all about the spitfire
gray glade
@hoary condor yeah it did, but there is the junkers 88 or whatever
not sure if i got the name right
south lynx
Yeah, Ju 88
lucid marsh
They should also put a spawn delay on bombers
hoary condor
that's it
lucid marsh
On some maps your team just get bombed as soon as the game begins
south lynx
Yep.
gray glade
they were looking to stop that right?
i read somewhere that they were gonna implement a fix for it
feral horizon
Remove the auto-spawn as well
south lynx
Start bombers without bombs, make them tag a resupply station. That'd stop it. 😛
lucid marsh
Or just put a delay on it, no reason to fly a bomber without bombs as soon as it spawns
south lynx
Yeah, delay is more sensible.
agile vessel
Have been trying out the MG34. And it's really powerful in the right hands.
KE-7 is better on offense, but on defense, the MG34 and MG42 are both very powerful.
gray glade
i am a simple man, i always use the mg42
regardless of mode, attack or defense
i would've liked some better sights for it tho
sleek tartan
you are probably the only human in existance that will miss those horrors
hoary condor
haha
i probably am
i use them so well
it's good because it blocks the enemy from ADS
south lynx
I wish the smoke in BFV wasn't so obviously WP.
hoary condor
but i'm a scout.. so gas even comes in handy for me there
south lynx
WP smoke as an actual proper incendiary would be neat, but given that it's already our default smoke...
quiet idol
20 rounds seems a little small
kind pebble
Some people are retarded, some one on reddit said the masteries arent achieveable, lol wtf
south lynx
It was amazing in beta, but lots changed since then.
I don't have it now, can't really tell you for sure if it's still awesome.
fathom pebble
The sniper ones are over the head
fathom pebble
Yeh
hoary condor
Joker get ps4.. i wanna snipe you
fathom pebble
Got KE7 full gold and the Level 20 class outfits and they were particularly easy
kind pebble
@fathom pebble yh the guy even downvoted my post cuz well
hoary condor
nice
quiet idol
i'd love to see a mastery for pistols too
kind pebble
some people cant have everything lol
solid hinge
Do DICE really expect us to get 300 kills with the liberator for the medal?
kind pebble
I'd love to see a mastery for some people called the Camping Mastery
hoary condor
that's 3 games
fathom pebble
The scout ones are hard. Afaik for the krag the last gold part for it you have to headshot 20 enemies that are in a objective area in a round or the same but 10 headshots in a life
quiet idol
I think that this game camping is really incentivised and rewarded
south lynx
I think detonating explosives with a gun still counts the kill towards the gun.
So you can probably farm the liberator kills with dynamite.
kind pebble
@fathom pebble thats the one he was talking about
solid hinge
@fathom pebble they are not that hard really. Just needs aim and rushing objectives
quiet idol
10 headshots in a life isn't far fetched
kind pebble
Like why do some people expect MASTERY to be easy
like the whole point is to prove that you are a good player,
quiet idol
yeah exactly, it's for a golden gun lmao
kind pebble
well and that
fathom pebble
I mean the lmg ones are easy tbf
kind pebble
I mean you need some gold to jizz over right
quiet idol
yeah i've already got a gold KE7
south lynx
I'm probably not going to really focus on mastery given how damned ugly the gold guns are.
fathom pebble
Dont like the lewis gun
south lynx
The chromed skins seem to be pretty nice.
kind pebble
when my RTX2070 arrives i will be in business
quiet idol
Lewis gun is just a better bren gun
fathom pebble
Bren with all the specs is a laser no recoil machine
south lynx
Bren stock is a laser.
kind pebble
I like the first gun idk what its called but I can rek eople with it
quiet idol
yeah that's the KE7
kind pebble
oh ok dumb me
fathom pebble
KEK7 
quiet idol
i'm gonna get the extended mag on the lewis gun, unstoppable with that many rounds
kind pebble
I could probably name every gun in BF4 but BFV i have no idea lol
quiet idol
not very many guns to remember lul
compact oxide
I just tried out the M95/30, holy hell that gun is great
quiet idol
no problem for me
mossy badge
Bren gun with specs + 3x scope is a laser
compact oxide
What's the downside?!
quiet idol
fire rate is horseshit
kind pebble
@quiet idol hehe
compact oxide
Fire rate is normal sniper but damage can go to 80+ with body
kind pebble
quiet idol
damage is the same as the other LMGs?
kind pebble
thats the idiotic reddit post
quiet idol
lewis gun fires faster and has a better mag
accuracy isn't a huge factor as realistically you've only got a 3x scope
mossy badge
unless your aim is shit
quiet idol
yeah
kind pebble
#potatoaim
like mine but saying that I have like 32000 kills so i cant be that bad
across all Battlefields
sleek tartan
Im sure I will have no problem unlocking the mastery for the Gewer 1-5 sicne I unlocked it a week ago and it still says it wil be available next round
:krappa:
kind pebble
lol
sleek tartan
eeeeeeeeeeee.... WHO DELETED KRAPPA
kind pebble
@sleek tartan play another round then
sleek tartan
I CHALLENGE YOU TO DEATH
kind pebble
COME AT ME BRO
Lol i like taking the P
someone asked whats the difference between this gun and this gun, and i said
the name obviously
hoary condor
:krappa: .. it's not 
fathom pebble
pure remnant
Guys on bf5 did the game gave you the 2 road to battlefield 5 paratrooper tokens?
kind pebble
dunno
sleek tartan
@fathom pebble thats just nitro 😃
fathom pebble
I mean kappa is in the server krappa isnt 
sleek tartan
it was before
my guess is that it got deleted to get the extra icons
which are kinda meh for discord anyway
buttt whatever
this is now an official server with its goods and bads
compact oxide
This is the only emote you need
fresh sail
Battlefield
sleek tartan
😛
fresh sail
Y tho
kind pebble
because its Battlefiel;d
kind pebble
what you talking about theres a bottle of cider in the house
fathom pebble
kind pebble
Theres a cup of tea at spawn
fresh sail
Yea have a good one
kind pebble
lol
fresh sail
Life sucks when you don't get BFV
fresh sail
Wow lucky
kind pebble
no im rich
viral brook
kind pebble
community creations buddy
fresh sail
hehe
viral brook
Thx
kind pebble
I even have £800 worth of addons for a flight simulator
kind pebble
i have p3dv4
fresh sail
Hmm
kind pebble
😃
fresh sail
what do you fly?
fresh sail
I fly the B737-800
kind pebble
B737, 747, 777, 787, A318/19/20/21,
fresh sail
nice
fresh sail
My love is the 737
mossy badge
So i found the Original Soundtrack on spotify.
👌 Its 🔥 AF Fam 💯 👌
kind pebble
@oblique parcel sorry can we have a transport and travel channel please
send it to me
mossy badge
What about General ?
mossy badge
kind pebble
Thank you
mossy badge
I've got a 6700k that usually stays at 4.5ghz
kind pebble
yh i got the i7 6700k
cerulean dock