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south lynx
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But it's all under limited circumstances. Snipers spot what they hit, gunners spot what they suppress.

midnight nimbus
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predictable recoil is a buzzword

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recoil works the exact same way it always has, but now it has a pattern slapped on top

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you still have random horizontal recoil

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but you also have a pattern

steel fjord
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suppression no longer makes your bullets magically deviate. its only visual effect now

south lynx
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Can you explain that in more detail?

solid hinge
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has the spotting system changed since the beta?

south lynx
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Because random and pattern don't generally go together.

midnight nimbus
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that's all the detail there is

solid hinge
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is the game gonna have custom modes? hardcore?

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or is it still the same?

midnight nimbus
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you have a pattern on top of random recoil

south lynx
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@solid hinge No, it's the same spot system as beta.

midnight nimbus
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same exact old BF system, but with a pattern

south lynx
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@midnight nimbus Give me an example?

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Old BF system picked random angle and magnitude of deviation as I recalled.

midnight nimbus
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imagine BF1 MP18

south lynx
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Pattern implies fixed magnitude and deviation per bullet.

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The two are incompatible.

midnight nimbus
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except instead of pulling straight down

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you also have to draw a sideways 'W'

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you can have a pattern on top of randomness

south lynx
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So the crosshair jumps in a predictable pattern, but the bullet deviation from the crosshair aim point is random?

midnight nimbus
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yes, like it always has been

south lynx
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@midnight nimbus Imagine you're trying to explain how to program it to me.

steep radish
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fück

south lynx
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That level of detail, please.

solid hinge
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But hopefully it works better now because when I played the beta I sometimes could not even spot enemies although I clicked right on them. And what also annoyed me was the area spotting that no one really cared about and where you always marked locations you didn't mean to

midnight nimbus
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normal 0.4 vrec up, 0.25 hrec to each side

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except there's also an integer variable

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that's just some number

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that slaps a pattern on top

tribal ether
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I’m hyped

midnight nimbus
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garbage system

south lynx
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...That part, where you're repeating pattern.

midnight nimbus
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adds nothing to the game

south lynx
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That means nothing.

sacred junco
midnight nimbus
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that's all it is though

solid hinge
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I am not hyped but I will probably buy the game in order to play it with my squadmates

south lynx
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Jesus christ how hard is this to explain cleanly?

pure veldt
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i assume theres still an expanding crosshair that bullet deviation randomizes inside as you hold down fire?

midnight nimbus
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jfc

gray glade
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i will deffo buy BFV

midnight nimbus
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okay, remember how BF3 M16A3 recoil pulled right?

south lynx
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Let's walk through it step by step. First shot goes exactly where the crosshair is pointed?

gray glade
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but in order to play it right now, i gotta buy origin premier or whatever?

south lynx
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No, I didn't play 3 or 4 for more than a few hours.

midnight nimbus
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to a certain degree, there is still base spread in BFV

pure veldt
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spread is still there, recoil was random in BF1?

south lynx
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Okay, so shot one doesn't perturb the crosshair, but has some deviation from the aim point, presumably random in both magnitude and direction.

midnight nimbus
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recoil has always been random in BF

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hrec is entirely random

wild oxide
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@gray glade Yes, you can only play it right now if you have Origin Access.

midnight nimbus
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vrec is like 80(?)% random

pure veldt
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if a weap had .3horiz rec in bf1 it could kick left OR right, correct?

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yea.. ok

solid hinge
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spread was random in Battlefield 1

midnight nimbus
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spread has always been random in all BF games

south lynx
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Shot two is then what, crosshair perturbed from shot 1 in a predictable direction, increased magnitude of random deviation from the new crosshair location?

midnight nimbus
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BF1 spread works no differently

tribal ether
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Everyone is hating on this game and it just gets annoying when people can’t even see how far this game as came since the reveal trailer they even toned down the customization for those pussies bitching and moaning about that. Shit they even did weekly dev talks to keep us informed. I for one can’t wait to strap on a MG42 on my support and just kill everyone

midnight nimbus
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let's just talk recoil for now

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BF3 M16A3 was 0.1 hrec to the left, 0.4 to the right

pure veldt
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@south lynx pretty much

midnight nimbus
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that's the same as 0.25 to each side

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same amount of inaccuracy that is

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but with a rightwards bias

tribal ether
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I always was more of a AEK fan myself but still

solid hinge
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Are there any unlock requirements for the MG42?

midnight nimbus
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so BFV recoil patterns basically assume that your gun is 0.25 to both sides

pure veldt
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if you had zero recoil on your weap its still a random inside circle type implementation i assume

midnight nimbus
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but then slaps a pattern on top

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so let's say

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your first 4 shots will feel like 0.1 hrec left, 0.4 hrec right

south lynx
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@midnight nimbus Let's define recoil first. There are three major ways to decrease accuracy in a game. Change the angle of the player camera, move the gun model around within the camera field of view, or cause the shot to deviate from the point of aim.

tribal ether
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Idk but it’s not the starting LMG

south lynx
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Which one are you calling recoil?

midnight nimbus
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then your next 3 are 0.3 left, 0.2 right

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the 2nd

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wait actually

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BFV ties it to the camera

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so the 1st

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screenshake meta

south lynx
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Okay, so recoil is viewkick, model remains centered.

gray glade
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what is that game mode that shows the map shrinking in jack frag's video?

pure veldt
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please just use recoil vs spread

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yea

tribal ether
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If dice really wants to we can see a RPD make a appearance in the support class when they bring the Soviets into the mix

restive stone
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quick question, if i buy premier now for 15€ a month, am i instantly able to play bf5? do i own bf5 as long as im subscribed or how does it work?

pure veldt
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@gray glade some map grand operations end in Final Stand if there is a tie and the play area shrinks

south lynx
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So the viewkick is fixed in both direction and magnitude per shot? E.g. it's completely predictable?

steel fjord
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@gray glade its the 4th of the grand operations. it happens in case the game is tied

gray glade
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ahh

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thanks boyos

midnight nimbus
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so BFV recoil patterns are like taking a 0.25 left, 0.25 right gun and turning into
shots 1-3: 0.25 left, 0.25 right
shots 4-7: 0.1 left, 0.4 right
shots 8-11: 0.3 left, 0.2 right
for example

gray glade
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or girls whateva

midnight nimbus
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fixed in total magnitude

pure veldt
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undecidedes? 😄

gray glade
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zir 😄

midnight nimbus
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but your limits change

south lynx
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@midnight nimbus Wait, still random in direction?

midnight nimbus
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random in where it'll kick

pure veldt
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recoil is fixed dir per weap

wild oxide
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@restive stone Yes, you will own BFV for as long as you're subscribed to Origin Premier.

midnight nimbus
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but fixed in max/min values

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think of hrec like a number line

restive stone
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awesome thanks @wild oxide

south lynx
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If I'm understanding right you're saying shots 1-3 in that example could kick 0.25 left or right?

midnight nimbus
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yea, anywhere between -0.25, 0.25

south lynx
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Bleh.

pure veldt
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dir * random(.1, .2) ?

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wait even negative huh?

midnight nimbus
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negative is left, positive is right

steep radish
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Hm

pure veldt
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we talkin recoil still?

midnight nimbus
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that's how recoil has always worked

pure veldt
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errrr

steep radish
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Can you unlock the AC130 in BFV?

pure veldt
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in 1...

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but in V its ONE dir i thought

midnight nimbus
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BFV does very little to change it

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just patterns

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no, it can be multiple directions

steep radish
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Is there an AC130 in BFV

pure veldt
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weapon Y kicks exactly up right etc

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wtf yo

solid hinge
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how do i turn on fps counter

midnight nimbus
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they could give you a pattern that forces you to draw pentagrams with your mouse if they wanted

steep radish
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Fellas

south lynx
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@midnight nimbus So it's predictable then?

steep radish
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Is there an AC130 in BFV

midnight nimbus
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StG kicks slightly right, then straight up

south lynx
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I am so fucking confused.

midnight nimbus
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it's predictable, but random

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yes

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you can have both

pure veldt
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i searched 130 in the release notes and nothing comes up..

midnight nimbus
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that's what spread is

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random, but predictable

steep radish
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@pure veldt AC130

midnight nimbus
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you know the maximum boundaries of how your spread changes

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and recoil is no different

south lynx
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@midnight nimbus Okay, let me use more precise terminology then.

pure veldt
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i mean 130 at all shows nothin, so i dunno

steep radish
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the plane eggs dee

pure veldt
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launch notes have all released items

steep radish
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Fuckin

south lynx
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Is the direction of recoil fixed, or random within limits?

steep radish
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There’s no AC130?

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Unlockable?

south lynx
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And is the magnitude of recoil fixed, or within limits?

dense bone
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@pure veldt theres no many new people

steep radish
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1/10-BFV

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No ac130

pure veldt
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retreat to tech? 😄

midnight nimbus
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recoil is random within limits, the limits change in a predictable way, but magnitude is fixed

dense bone
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RETREAT

south lynx
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Why would they do it that way?

torn snow
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Where are the Russians?

pure veldt
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incoming huge copy paste

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We’ve put a lot of time and effort into making our weapons for
Battlefield V understandable and learnable. In short, we’ve done this by converting our
spread (unpredictable) to recoil (predictable, and visual). We have given all our weapons
different recoil variants, such as recoil speed, initial recoil, recoil direction to name just a
few variables. This allowed us to have each weapon feel unique (pillar number 1) and
also create different skill levels for different weapons.

south lynx
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Why the hell not just have completely fixed recoil patterns?

pulsar valve
torn snow
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Where are the Russians???

grand merlin
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Waiting for Barbossa

midnight nimbus
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@south lynx because the community wanted muh skill and muh recoil patterns

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so DICE gave it to them

south lynx
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Right, but why do it in a way that still incorporates random elements?

grand merlin
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Which is a lot better

midnight nimbus
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because you need hard limits on weapon performance

steep radish
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Guys

midnight nimbus
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otherwise why wouldn't you always use the highest RoF gun?

gray glade
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the soviets will be in the game but plz relax 😃

south lynx
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If they're as random as you say, potentially reversing the direction of jump between shots, it's pretty pointless.

steep radish
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spoiler alert:Germany lost WW2

midnight nimbus
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hrec has always been random

pure veldt
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Twisted Steel can have base, storm, and misty rain reeee

south lynx
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@midnight nimbus That statement makes no sense.

midnight nimbus
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this is the same exact recoil system we have always seen, just with extra steps

pure veldt
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i want to see storm NAOW

midnight nimbus
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it's more than just pulling down now

south lynx
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Fixed dispersion patterns have been used in other games just fine.

midnight nimbus
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that's the only difference

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this is what hrec and spread are

grand merlin
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Twisted steel is one hell of a map tbh

midnight nimbus
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fixed dispersion patterns

south lynx
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CS is the most notable example of fixed patterns.

grand merlin
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The fucking bridge is insane

midnight nimbus
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CS has fixed recoil patterns

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but are still random within limits

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just like BF

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and CS has spread

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more than BF does

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actually significantly more in terms of base spread

south lynx
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Okay, then you're really awful at explaining this clearly.

midnight nimbus
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CS:GO base spread is like the equivalent of 0.3-0.4 BF base spread

south lynx
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Because what I came away from your explanation with was "Shit be random as fuck yo"

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So let me stop trying to get implementation details that you're either unable or unwilling to give and ask this: Is overall shot patterning more or less predictable than CS?

midnight nimbus
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depends

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probably less for most guns

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bc of balancing around longer engagement ranges

south lynx
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I'm not asking about how big the patterns are.

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I'm asking how predictable they are. Consistency. Think of it as confidence intervals if you want to take a statistical view.

midnight nimbus
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the patterns are 100% predictable, the recoil is not predictable

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at all

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100% random within a number line

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uniform dispersion

south lynx
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To give a silly example, a gun that shoots exactly 45 degrees to the right of where you're aiming on the first shot, then exactly 45 degrees to the left on the next shot is 100% predictable.

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You know where every shot is going to go before you ever touch the trigger.

sacred junco
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How easy would it be to macro predictable recoil?

dense bone
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macro? you cant macro mouse movement

midnight nimbus
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very

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yes you can

dense bone
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since when and how?

midnight nimbus
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if CS didn't have good anti-cheat, you would see people macro the shit out of it

south lynx
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Since ever, and it's a directinput device.

hazy lynx
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So... WW1 ended exactly 100 years ago, why didnt dice add anything special?

south lynx
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Driver layer, done.

dense bone
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does that mean bfv is gonna have good anti cheat?

midnight nimbus
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no

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lol

hazy lynx
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No?

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Bullshit

midnight nimbus
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BF has terrible anticheat

hazy lynx
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Punkbuster is great

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It was good in all BF games

midnight nimbus
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false positives all the time

solid hinge
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can anyone help me? i get around 100 frames on BF1, and on BF5 with the same settings i only have 50 -40 frames

hazy lynx
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And it will work in BFV too

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False positives?

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So what?

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All anti cheats have them

solid hinge
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is there any specific setting?

hazy lynx
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That isnt the biggest problem

sacred junco
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Nvidia?

solid hinge
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yep

dense bone
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id rather it be a little aggresive than let cheaters through

sacred junco
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I think there is a new driver update

solid hinge
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i allready have the new driver

gray glade
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did you turn off direct x 12?

solid hinge
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yep

midnight nimbus
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punkbuster is overly aggressive and lets cheaters through

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bestanticheat man

dense bone
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also, bfv just released, why would it run as well as bf1?

slow cradle
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Whud, it's already playable?

midnight nimbus
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forced TAA man

solid hinge
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TAA?

midnight nimbus
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BFV isn't going to run as well

solid hinge
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on video setting?

midnight nimbus
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not terrible on tryhard settings though

hazy lynx
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Yeah whatever you say

midnight nimbus
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just play on all low the way god intended us to play FPS games

toxic axle
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It's really lag right now

solid hinge
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i ahve all low only 3 in medium

dense bone
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yes, it just released

hazy lynx
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You can prove me wrong and go cheat in a match in BFV

midnight nimbus
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just play BF4 man lol

hazy lynx
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What has that have do with anything?

dense bone
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suggesting you will run into obvious hackers often

hazy lynx
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Haha

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Never ran into a hacker when I played

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I only ran into those who cant play so bitch about hacks

gray glade
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all games have hackers

hazy lynx
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Pretty obvious to see them

midnight nimbus
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yea, most hackers aren't good at the game anyways

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so not a big deal

hazy lynx
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The types that sit at the last spot in the leaderboard and fight in the chat instead of the battlefield

midnight nimbus
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but watch HeXe, he plays against a lot of hackers in BF4

hazy lynx
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Lol no? Any proof he does?

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Oh wait, no proof, they are just good players, hacking doesnt happen on that scale in BF games and everyone knows that

hazy lynx
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Am I supposed to watch that? Because I wont. Leaderboard scores dont mean anything

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Does he have real proof?

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And not spectator mode, leaderboard?

solid hinge
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All i ran into in bf1 was the cunts who melee their teamates.

surreal widget
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you know that you can watch people who play with hacks on youtube ?

midnight nimbus
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oh wait

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also BF doesn't use punkbuster anymore

hazy lynx
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BF4 uses punkbuster

south lynx
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I've only ever run into a single clear case of cheating in BF1. Scout on Monte Grappa who headshotted two entire squads with the Pedersen device, firing from the map boundary at the top of the ridge all the way down into the road by the church. 100% headshot rate, maximum RoF.

surreal widget
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i dont will post links here just search it up

midnight nimbus
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BF uses punkbuster + fairfight

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but punkbuster isn't always used

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yeah, i've only run into 1-2 cheaters in the entire lifespan of BF1

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so i guess fairfight's getting better

hazy lynx
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No punkbuster is the main service, it kicks people, fairfight is there to help

midnight nimbus
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they still don't do anything about macroing tho

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punkbuster kicks based on 3rd party communication

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fairfight is the main service

plush flume
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what does most people (whoever is playing) think of the game so far?

south lynx
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Absolute blast.

toxic axle
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BF1 I've met china cheater every frinkin match and i mean every

south lynx
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My only gripe is that the 109 still seems to have the edge on the Spitfire.

plush flume
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one of the planes?

south lynx
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That said, don't take that as gospel, I'm not the best pilot.

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Yeah.

scarlet wave
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Hmmm

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Weird because historically

south lynx
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It's just odd to me that the spit gets out-turned so consistently by the 109.

plush flume
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ah okay

scarlet wave
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109 should have a climbing edge

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But

hazy lynx
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Yeah whatever. People who accuse other people of hacks just dont know how to play, thats exactly why good players never have a problem with cheaters if you ask me. Im done with conversation this conversation, it just has no real meaning

south lynx
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@scarlet wave Historically the models of aircraft DICE has going at each other should be a complete mismatch. Spit V vs A G-series 109? Massacre.

pure veldt
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im watching Stodeh right now and im happy to see they possibly require more than 50ms to no scope?

scarlet wave
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Ah, true true

south lynx
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G-series is a much closer match to a Spit IX.

pure veldt
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is there a known time to wait on scoping in before it fires at your crosshair?

plush flume
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playing with the planes in the beta was one of the funnest BF planes i have played

scarlet wave
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I was thinking early model. A derp

hazy lynx
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Probably because they arent so fast like jets in BF4

scarlet wave
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Jets are bleh

south lynx
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@plush flume 109 was great in beta, but Spits were physically painful. Vb in particular was just so awful.

hazy lynx
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The map was too small for jets in BF4 I think

south lynx
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@pseudo spire Yeah early model 109 vs Spit was a very even match.

plush flume
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didn't play with the spitfire so can't really for (for me)

south lynx
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Specifically something like an E vs a Spit II

scarlet wave
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Oh indeed

south lynx
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@plush flume Oh, if all you played was 109, yeah. 109 in beta was a god reaper.

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It turned harder and was faster, plus had a better armament load.

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Right now I'm just hacked off by the awful freelook implementation. If they're gonna support joysticks they could at least let us properly look around while flying the plane.

plush flume
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i also think i got more kills with the stuka than the ground combat lol, well not entirely but it kinda seemed like it

gray glade
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jets never felt like actual jets for me in bf3 and bf4

worn cave
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is there a concrete time that the 10-hour Origin Basic BFV trial unlocks Tomorrow?

south lynx
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Instead they have this bizarre behavior where you have to hold to freelook, even with separately bound POV inputs, and it disables your pitch and roll inputs (but not yaw, because reasons.)

icy sluice
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Game looks so fun

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Hope you're all enjoying it

south lynx
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@icy sluice Yep. You'll be happy to know that tanks are nice and punchy.

icy sluice
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Just like they should

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Currently at work, just at work

south lynx
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Pay attention to defense though, assaults are a lot punchier as well.

icy sluice
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Break, egh

south lynx
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Being out of position gets you dead in a hurry.

gray glade
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i wonder if the full game plays like the beta did with a gf970

hazy lynx
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It probably doesnt

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The full game has some improvements, it maybe runs a little bit slower or faster

gray glade
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i hope not slower

hazy lynx
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Me too

scarlet wave
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I hope they’ll add my baby eventually

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I need my Zero lol

amber notch
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🤔

violet locust
sullen mist
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So how's the game my dudes and dudettes?

sullen cobalt
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stuttery

violet locust
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Update to new drivers? thonk

amber notch
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amber notch
pure veldt
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i wish they would just block our MP access for Deluxe, might actually play SP if i could right now

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chances of completing SP are 6.32% otherwise

autumn nest
south lynx
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Reasons to complete SP: You get a cricket bat.

solid hinge
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thank you for not allowing spoilers

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im waiting to get it

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and i want to be suprised

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so thank you

autumn nest
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Tbh the SP looks boring

south lynx
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Spoiler: Gandalf kills Snape with Excalibur.

copper flower
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why they can play and not me ?

solid hinge
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You can polay

copper flower
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i'm in access premier etc but can't lauche the game

solid hinge
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is it downloaded?

copper flower
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oh

plush flume
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level cap took out the silly cosmetics. but i am glad they kept the bat, because it looks cool as heck

copper flower
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right click and play

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never mind !

full nimbus
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@copper flower You can either : 1. Right Click and Play
(or) 2. Click on the settings and play

violet locust
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Yes, no spoilers allowed 👀

plush flume
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here's a spoiler

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you kill germans

autumn nest
plush flume
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pls no ban

copper flower
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my nvidia driver is 376 and can't play btw have to do the patch

amber notch
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why did you remove the pin

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wtf

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Its the channel rules

hazy lynx
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Its pinned

amber notch
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it was unpinned

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so i re added it

autumn nest
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By who

hazy lynx
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There are already channel rules there, check the audit-log if you can

amber notch
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Cant check audits

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🤷

long locust
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Bfv comes out for ea access at 12 tonight

amber notch
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@long locust its already out

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lol

long locust
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On xbox?

amber notch
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Pc

long locust
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Yeah ik that

amber notch
long locust
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Lol

zinc vale
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damn the canis horribilis gear for the axis medic looks great

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oh huh they didn't put the katana in, I guess they really did dial back the customization

solid hinge
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defending sucks ass

long locust
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Good for cinematic stuff though lol

mossy badge
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So i just waited 3 min for a grand operation que

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and it placed me in an empty server

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GG

long locust
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Ugh dont tell me thats back again

gilded field
#

UGH if you minimize BFV on PC and open it, it crashes my TV

amber notch
#

top weapons for medic are sten, thompson, mp40 and ap

mossy badge
#

There's one Battlefield server for South Africa

#

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

#

WE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING

solid hinge
#

aha

zinc vale
#

but then most fun is the sumoi kp

plush flume
#

feels bad man

mossy badge
#

Like, we never got official dice servers

zinc vale
#

damn rest in peace SA

mossy badge
#

this is amazing

#

i'm 4th in queue though

#

That's surprising

gilded field
#

For which Battlefield?

steep radish
#

what

mossy badge
#

For all battlefields i think

steep radish
#

the fuck

mossy badge
#

But got one for BFV

steep radish
#

is there an AC130 in BFV

faint spruce
#

I think this game will definitely beat black ops 4 in a year or two

dense bone
#

@amber notch its all about that SPUMONI

steep radish
#

I heard it was unlock-able

#

SUOMI

dense bone
#

SPUMONI

faint spruce
#

Despite negative reviews during beta, but it has potential to be the best

steep radish
#

UNCULTURED SW-

dense bone
#

my spumoni is definitely cultured

steep radish
faint spruce
#

Can anyone confirm if BF5 has Asian servers?

last crypt
#

Anyone else not able to change the fire mode on the guns in war stories?

mossy badge
#

So i wasn't the only one.

#

Tried using the M30's underbarrel but couldn't

south cliff
#

I’ve got 2 issues and I want to know if anyone else is having.

  1. I can’t keybind my side mouse buttons?
  2. I earned 2 tokens in BF1 for the last 2 suits but it refuses to let me unlock them and now there gone from the shop?
last crypt
#

Can't use the M1 drillings alt fire either mate

dense bone
#

but for real, the spumoni (suomi) is probably the best gun for medic

gilded field
#

Need a B17 in BFV

hazy bear
#

Cant even join the game ,always disconnected

gilded field
#

flying fortress

long locust
#

Welp

zinc vale
#

day one server issues yay

eager ore
#

jesus the cut scenes and menu's loading are laggy

sullen cobalt
#

Totally unexpected.

steep radish
#

What

#

O

#

Kewl

#

cnaer

zinc vale
#

damn that prologue

#

loved it

sullen mist
#

Yeah the new prologue was lovely

#

Not to spoil it but I do love the nod they gave at the beginning

zinc vale
#

Yeah tbh that opening bit before any gameplay was the best

#

gave me goosebumps

#

oh wow there's a grand operation for every set of maps

#

that's better than i expected awesome

sullen mist
#

Yep

#

Really want to try out Day 4 of GO

grand merlin
#

Yeah I did not expect that very begining scene

zinc vale
#

lets see if i can get into a rotterdam go

solid hinge
#

why the hell did it make it so u cant turn off anti-alisasing

gilded field
#

fooking tv keeps crashing

#

can't play

solid hinge
#

Is there any variant of clothes that includes gloves in Battlefield V?

violet locust
#

No gloves :/

solid hinge
#

Alright

#

I'm not buying it then

limber anchor
plush flume
#

damn

south lynx
#

BF planes are so freaking weird.

#

I still can't get the hang of them.

amber notch
#

@pulsar valve trash

solid hinge
#

when i buy bfv i want to be your medic

gilded field
#

@pulsar valve Nice

solid hinge
#

Wait what does the customization shop look like

#

Can someone give me a screenshot

#

Er, cosmetic shop

valid timber
#

I believe you mistitled that clip, @pulsar valve. I do not see 4,000 headshots. I am disappointed in this.

pulsar valve
pure veldt
#

Mozz you play with any kind of in game or mouse click sensitivity adjustments when zoomed?

valid timber
#

Yes, his form of zoom is moving his face so close to the screen he's licking it.

pulsar valve
#

100% zoom sens

gray glade
#

the customization looks pretty tbh

#

some of those german ones look very good

solid hinge
#

Well, some of clothes are pretty cool

#

But hell, why wouldn't they add fricking gloves?

#

with 10 cpi on the mouse yeah

woven lake
#

so hows battlfiled 5 just started downloading it

wary mason
valid timber
#

Proud of you Hess.

woven lake
#

can support build anywhere

dense bone
#

question or statement?

solid hinge
#

Vaterland is proud of you

#

Im disappointed they don't have a hans for their characters

#

Rip

#

Hans?

#

Gunter is good

restive talon
#

BFD tag

solid hinge
#

Ah

#

Understand

restive talon
#

is that the battlefield discord

#

tag

bitter sky
#

SUP

solid hinge
#

sup

gray glade
#

you can only get the standard edition for Battlefield V in origin?

slow cradle
#

What was the reason that premier launch was moved to today?

solid hinge
#

does anyone elses game

#

feel like blurry

spiral adder
#

Is there a no helmet option like in trailers?

#

@solid hinge check your filters

#

Turn shit like vignette and crap off

valid timber
#

woahthink who's that beast @bitter sky 😮

spiral adder
#

@slow cradle to shove the middle finger at workers and those who had made plans xD

vague nimbus
#

so...

#

is bfV out on pc then?

spiral adder
#

Yup

vague nimbus
#

cause i just opened it up and now im in a campaign mission

#

weird

rare zealot
#

can you only use light tanks?

#

how do you unlock medium/heavies?

south lynx
#

Keep playing tanks.

#

They unlock at later ranks.

#

Also, Pz. IV is a medium.

#

And is the default German tank.

rare zealot
#

oh lol, no wonder it takes about 10 valentine hits

south lynx
#

Really it shouldn't.

#

Pz. IV was a shoebox.

solid hinge
#

Wait, did it come today???

south lynx
#

Crappy armor, bad armor layout, only thing it had going for it was the turret ring size.

solid hinge
#

I thought is was the 15th

spiral adder
#

Valentine was an light infantry support tank iirc

#

Why isnt the medium a cromwell or matilda.....

south lynx
#

Valentine was an infantry tank, but due to Brit doctrine that meant an absolute pile of armor.

#

It's absurdly fast in game though, the real deal was slow as hell.

spiral adder
#

I dont get how it can damage a tiger frontally if shermans couldn't xD

south lynx
#

Shermans could.

spiral adder
#

Not initially?

south lynx
#

76 would punch the front of a Tiger no problem, and 75s could at short ranges.

#

Admittedly, the latter tends towards 'suicidally short'

spiral adder
#

Haha

south lynx
#

And the reason the 2pdr in game works is because otherwise they'd have to actually build a full armor simulation and then people would complain about having to learn armor layouts.

spiral adder
#

Or flanking xD

south lynx
#

2pdr would have trouble even from the side I suspect. Though it should pen at shorter ranges.

spiral adder
#

I found it funny in beta a tiger was angling and all my shells were bouncing. I then aimed for his tracks and blew him up in 3 shots

solid hinge
#

@spiral adder all of that is off

#

and my res scale is at 135%

#

it still feels a bit blurry

#

i might be picky

#

is there a setting i should set to ultra?

spiral adder
#

Pc? @solid hinge

#

Try turning AA off.

#

See if that does anything. Though u might see jaggies

opaque hinge
#

so wait, they have gold guns in bfv?

spiral adder
#

Yup

opaque hinge
#

hoooow

spiral adder
#

Gold plated😍

opaque hinge
#

is it just headshot challenges like COD?

spiral adder
#

Nah just a skin

opaque hinge
#

excuse my ignorance

#

ic

#

so how do u unlock?

#

or is it available by default

spiral adder
#

Use BOINS i think

opaque hinge
#

BOINS?

spiral adder
#

xD

solid hinge
#

@spiral adder i think that may be the problem and the fact that you can't fully turn of AA

#

idk why they made it that way

#

you can only set it to low

opaque hinge
spiral adder
#

You must be able to do something. Watching videos it looks crisp @solid hinge

opaque hinge
#

yeah cause im watching a jackfrags vid rn and he's got a gold stg

#

i really hope it's not that easy to unlock right off the bat..

bitter sky
#

@valid timber always lurking 😛

spiral adder
#

gtg back to work o7

valid timber
#

Hope you're doing ok brother, miss ya ❤ @bitter sky

wheat whale
#

Hey guys, can someone explain the whole premier pass to me? Do I have to buy the $80 version of the game to play today?

opaque hinge
#

have to have ea access to play today yeah

#

the basic version will give u 10h, premier unlimited

#

basic is $5 premier $20

solid hinge
#

Wait, I pre ordered the Deluxe edition. Do I get it now?

opaque hinge
#

CAD at least

#

15th for digital deluxe

#

😦

#

dont worry m8 in the same boat as u

solid hinge
#

I got a hard copy

#

Can I pick it up today?

wheat whale
#

so if I buy premier, and $60 version, I get unlimited playtime?

opaque hinge
#

yes

#

afaik

wheat whale
#

Cool, thanks for the info

opaque hinge
#

np

coral sage
#

keep getting an error when trying to dl bf5 🤔

opaque hinge
#

i mean it technically releases tomorrow for ea access

#

so i think it's slowly rolling out

#

so u may have to wait a bit

coral sage
#

I was able to dl like 30%

opaque hinge
#

odd

coral sage
#

now it won't let me finish

#

ye

opaque hinge
#

try restarting download?

coral sage
#

I would if i could

opaque hinge
#

huh

#

u cant cancel it and restart? pause and restart?

coral sage
#

all interaction with the dl gives me an error code

opaque hinge
#

im on pc so i know u can there idk about console

#

or if ur on pc maybe try ending origin process

#

through task manager

#

and restart

#

my best advice

#

or just wait it out

solid hinge
#

OH! I can download it today, but not play till the 15th.

crisp forge
#

guys anyone had problems with slow downloads on origin today?

opaque hinge
#

yah preload is available

#

might be slow with everyone trying to dl at the same time

solid hinge
#

Only for Digital, right?

#

Cause I bought a hard copy.

opaque hinge
#

preload available for digital deluxe as of 7th

#

idk about everyone else

coral sage
#

it reset dl, don't think it'll be ready by tomorrow with my net now :)

opaque hinge
#

😦

tacit furnace
#

@solid hinge Standard pre-load is nov 13th, deluxe started yesterday

coral sage
#

whatever an extra day wait won't kill me

opaque hinge
#

no it won't

#

u feel my pain sir

#

7 days for me rip

coral sage
#

I do wonder if it'll encounter the same error at ~30%

opaque hinge
#

im just gonna watch streams 24/7..

#

hopefully not

#

if u do i'd contact EA support

coral sage
#

pretty lame how they've handled the rollout making even preorders wait a couple extra days imo

opaque hinge
#

did they?

#

oh yeah for digital deluxe

coral sage
#

aren't you a preorder

opaque hinge
#

vs ea access

tacit furnace
#

yeah standard pre-order has to wait LOL

opaque hinge
#

yeah sorry i got confused for a second

coral sage
#

np

opaque hinge
#

thought u were talking about preload not game release

#

yeah kinda pissed about that but w.e.

#

it's probably an EA decision not DICE

tacit furnace
#

I think it's dumb that deluxe on PC got to play starting yesterday but origin premium has to wait til tomorrow

#

very confusing

opaque hinge
#

i doubt they had any control over that

wary mason
opaque hinge
#

er i have deluxe on PC and I can't play

tacit furnace
#

@opaque hinge you pre-loaded already?

opaque hinge
#

yessir

#

just says "pre-loaded, releases NOV 14 at 11:00PM EST"

tacit furnace
#

I keep looking at the picture pinned in here and I'm still confused. It just says I can play tomorrow at 8 AM est

opaque hinge
#

u have ea access?

solid hinge
#

Someone just say yes, or no. I preordered the Deluxe Edition at gamestop(A hard copy.) I can download it now.

opaque hinge
#

I believe you should be able to, yes

solid hinge
#

Can I play it?

opaque hinge
#

preload for digital deluxe started yesterday

#

not till the 15th unless you have ea access

glacial wing
#

You can't play it

tacit furnace
#

@solid hinge just download it and then origin will tell you the date you can play

glacial wing
#

You can download it

solid hinge
#

How on earth can I downloaded it if I don't have the disc?

tacit furnace
#

@solid hinge it's through origin

opaque hinge
#

🤔

solid hinge
#

I am on Xbox.

glacial wing
#

Well if you didn't get a digital code aswell

#

You have to wait till you have the disc

indigo harness
#

So all the origin premier ppl playing now? im so confused with all the dates

tacit furnace
#

@indigo harness origin premium gets to play starting tomorrow

solid hinge
#

Oh. Lemme check for a code

glacial wing
#

No?

#

Origin Premier can play now

rare zealot
#

You can play NOW

tacit furnace
#

not in the US

glacial wing
#

Restart your Origin

#

Yes you can

rare zealot
#

yes you can

#

I'm playing right now

opaque hinge
#

EA access: Nov 8th (today)
Digital Deluxe: Nov 15th
Standard: Nov 20th

tacit furnace
#

wtf?

#

did they move the date up?

opaque hinge
#

apparently

#

my reaction

tacit furnace
#

jesus christ

opaque hinge
#

yeah

tacit furnace
#

why can't we all just play on the same fucking day LMAO

opaque hinge
#

cause EA

#

im 99.9% sure DICE had 0 say in it

indigo harness
#

Okay, I got a cheap cd key for the 20th for 40$ but, i just really wanna play it now. Could i lets say get premier until release, then cancel it and use my key? idk

opaque hinge
#

EA was like reee we want $$$

tacit furnace
#

oh we can't post pictures in here

#

i'll restart my origin and see if that fixes it

opaque hinge
#

and yeah idk Zick if you're using a non-legit key no clue

solid hinge
#

So, the code I entered for The paratrooper skins and Beta should now have unlocked the game to download.

indigo harness
#

It's just a keyseller idk

opaque hinge
#

yeah, so non-legit my friend

indigo harness
#

mhm

tacit furnace
#

@indigo harness why would you buy a key when you could just buy origin premium and then cancel it

opaque hinge
#

so literally no clue, im 100% sure EA support won't give u help with that

sturdy pulsar
#

@tacit furnace i think this is there way of trying to boost Origin/EA Access sales. this 24 hour boost does matter

opaque hinge
#

if something doesn't work

solid hinge
#

I wish I could find an admin that could help.

tacit furnace
#

@indigo harness return that shit and just do origin premium for a month man, that's what it's for.

opaque hinge
#

welp on the bright side I now know that I should never pre-order a game

sturdy pulsar
#

its 2018. why is anyone pre-ordering?

opaque hinge
#

my first pre-order in 3 years (I'm anti-pre-ordering) cause I really really wanted to support EA on this one, cause I was finally happy with the direction they were taking the series

#

i.e. no premium, no lootboxes

tacit furnace
#

@sturdy pulsar well, after the BFV beta you actually COULDN'T cancel your pre-order

opaque hinge
#

er u still can

restive talon
#

yes u could

tacit furnace
#

my friend in the netherlands couldn't

sturdy pulsar
#

shit really? didnt know you couldnt cancel. mine was fine

opaque hinge
#

u have 1 week after the game releases to refund/cancel afaik

indigo harness
#

@tacit furnace yeah but i still wanna play it, not gonna want premier any time rly

opaque hinge
#

according to EA's refund policy

solid hinge
#

just finished the game startup campaign, are there more blacks then actuall whites in this game?

#

So, the code I entered to get Beta and the Skins should now unlock the game to download. Correct?

opaque hinge
#

lets not go there

dense bone
#

lol so they want those pre order and sale numbers

opaque hinge
#

yep

silver timber
#

Is anyone else playing BFV right now?

restive talon
#

@wary mason is bf v optimized good?

opaque hinge
#

never ever ever pre-ordering again

restive talon
#

i see u running at 120 fps

dense bone
#

so many people

solid hinge
#

@opaque hinge Did you say yes to me?

opaque hinge
#

my 1 mistake, fool me once EA, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me

tacit furnace
#

wow you guys were right.. restarted origin and i can play

sturdy pulsar
#

@silver timber just taking a lunch break then getting right back to it

solid hinge
#

i see blacks running at 120 FPS but where are the whites?

opaque hinge
#

uh no sorry @solid hinge im not sure

tacit furnace
#

@solid hinge please go away

opaque hinge
#

@solid hinge lets not do this

solid hinge
#

@opaque hinge Can I pls DM you?

#

did you play the startup campaign guys?

opaque hinge
#

sure @solid hinge

tacit furnace
#

@solid hinge Go ask that shit on 4Chan or reddit, wherever you came from

solid hinge
#

I have a quick question

restive talon
#

@solid hinge mad

indigo harness
#

If i got a FF ban in another game will it affect BF V?

#

i didnt cheat tho

opaque hinge
#

dont think so

#

only that game afaik

sturdy pulsar
#

The prologue is automatically what starts the game

hazy lynx
#

@solid hinge fake ukranian

silver timber
#

Are we supposed to have access to the game right now? I updated my drivers and am playing the Narvik raid

sturdy pulsar
#

"i didn't chea tthough" - all cheaters

opaque hinge
#

ughh

solid hinge
#

this is fucking retarded, now, where the females at?

indigo harness
opaque hinge
#

i need to leave this discord for a week

limber anchor
#

Can you quit the prologue or are you forced to finish it

opaque hinge
#

until i can play

sturdy pulsar
#

yes @silver timber

opaque hinge
#

xD

#

i think u can quit it

limber anchor
#

@opaque hinge I have 2 more weeks lol

opaque hinge
#

F to pay respects

#

give this man an F

#

F

solid hinge
#

T5 now

tacit furnace
#

3d tracking after you get a kill is out of the game, ya?

opaque hinge
#

yah

#

no more 3d spotting

limber anchor
#

Yep lol it’s not my fault rdr2 and bo4 came out first I would’ve got the deluxe edition had it released first

tacit furnace
#

fuck yeah

#

3d spotting sux!

opaque hinge
#

i'd be okay waiting if rdr2 was on pc

#

but it's not so I have nothing to really tide me over

#

bo4 is pretty garbage (i own it btw)

#

so broken on pc still

zinc vale
#

tbh I ended up burnt out on RDR2

sturdy pulsar
#

LOL @indigo harness that video is nuts. i take back what isaid. sorry

crimson orchid
#

What is plg

zinc vale
#

About half way through it it just hits the same open world fatigue

indigo harness
#

@sturdy pulsar appeal after appeal they just give me a shitty robotic

#

answer

opaque hinge
#

on the bright side insurgency sandstorm is supposed to have an update today

#

at some point

solid hinge
#

50/50 blacks and whites in the startup campaign cinematics

sturdy pulsar
#

@zinc vale same. great game. just need a break from it. plus need something a bit more fast pacd....

solid hinge
#

i dont mind blacks but thats ridiculous

crimson orchid
#

What is plg @solid hinge

limber anchor
#

@opaque hinge I like it I’ve been playing cod since bo1 I skipped the past few tho

solid hinge
#

A randy comp team

#

Like most people here randy

#

Am I allowed to @ admins?

limber anchor
#

I’m hoping rdr2 online comes out before bfv releases so I can have that to hold me over until then

opaque hinge
#

er not unless it's urgent @solid hinge afaik

solid hinge
#

Shoot me now.

opaque hinge
#

yeah i've been playing COD since cod4, this is the first cod i've bought since bo3

#

but it's got a lot of balancing/stability issues still

#

need to balance the pc meta and fix the retarded crashes/netcode

solid hinge
#

@crimson orchid is this a cod discord🤔🤔

limber anchor
#

I’m on Xbox so stability is fine but yea balancing and spawns are horrible

solid hinge
#

nvidia driver wont download for me

languid sandal
#

what is Vignette?

solid hinge
#

how about you guys?

tacit furnace
#

wait nvidia has drivers for this?

#

the game ran fine in beta

languid sandal
#

yeah

limber anchor
#

@solid hinge I need to talk about something until the 20th lol

languid sandal
#

new drivers

tacit furnace
#

@solid hinge skip the drivers dude, it ran fine in the beta

#

don't see why we need em now

solid hinge
languid sandal
#

dont skip em

solid hinge
#

im hitching arramayneman

languid sandal
#

my game still stutters

tacit furnace
#

@languid sandal yeah sometimes these day one drivers are a bad idea

opaque hinge
#

u have latest drivers?

languid sandal
#

like the sound and game freeze for like 1 millisecond

#

every like 30 sec

solid hinge
#

are there no swastikas in this game? makes no sense as they could just make a separate version for germany and other countries sensitive to history

languid sandal
#

how can I fix this

twilit tulip
#

So how's everyone enjoying BFV so far

opaque hinge
#

swastikas actually legal in germany now

solid hinge
#

thats awsm

opaque hinge
#

they changed law about a year ago i believe

tacit furnace
#

does anyone know if we retained class rank and the guns we unlocked?

opaque hinge
#

no nothing carries over from beta

tacit furnace
#

WTF?!

opaque hinge
#

it makes sense..

solid hinge
#

still no swastika though

opaque hinge
#

unfair advantage

crimson orchid
#

No it’s a bellyfield discord @solid hinge

tacit furnace
#

it took me 10 hours to get that shit

opaque hinge
#

😦

#

F sir

languid sandal
#

@solid hinge lmao look at the prologue cutscene. half of the characters are women. I understand allowing players to choose race and gender in multiplayer

pure veldt
#

wtf at you thinking anyone would carry beta progress ever to a release of a game ;P

languid sandal
#

but in single player

opaque hinge
#

oh god

languid sandal
#

plz make it historically accurate

opaque hinge
#

lets not go there @languid sandal

solid hinge
#

@crimson orchid theres a plg mod here 👀👀👀

tacit furnace
#

@pure veldt I dont know how this stuff works LOL

opaque hinge
#

this isn't a sim

#

that's all I'll say

languid sandal
#

ok?

pure veldt
#

women complaints are now banned, game is released 😄

solid hinge
#

its getting quite silly @languid sandal

pure veldt
#

you must now love all the game

opaque hinge
#

^

indigo harness
#

is still says BF v countdown for me on origin 🤔

languid sandal
#

same

solid hinge
#

premiere gets it early

crimson orchid
#

No sorry @solid hinge

solid hinge
#

earlier than preorder

crimson orchid
#

Oh hello @tawdry geyser what is L110?

solid hinge
#

50/50 blacks and whites in the prologue lol. dont get me wrong, i dont mind blacks at all, unless they are shoe horned in @languid sandal

opaque hinge
#

aaand i'm out

languid sandal
#

in multiplayer it can be 100% blacks for all I care

solid hinge
#

dont be so sensitive yag

languid sandal
#

but story just be accurate.

solid hinge
#

@glossy relic is here too

pure veldt
#

quit using the word blacks lol

languid sandal
#

for better immersion

opaque hinge
#

not being sensitive, this is just not the place to discuss this

tacit furnace
#

lmao

pure veldt
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we need a #ShitPost

opaque hinge
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yeah

tacit furnace
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this game is nowhere near historically accurate to begin with

solid hinge
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for you guys

opaque hinge
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until that happens, i'm out

languid sandal
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@sinful ravine what should I say then?

solid hinge
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at this point bf5 is not shooting for realism lol

languid sandal
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you can say whites?

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but blacks is too far

solid hinge
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whites cool or nah @pure veldt

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We need a #scrimchannel

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black people and white people

glossy relic
solid hinge
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not the rugby teams

proven quartz
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People too sensitive now a days

solid hinge
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@glossy relic😂

pure veldt
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come back to me with that logic when you're a discriminated race

proven quartz
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Who

glacial wing
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Well, women in singleplayer makes sense for Nordlys

limber anchor
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Lol ikr just say black people or white people

glacial wing
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The rest not really

languid sandal
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what

glossy relic
solid hinge
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blacks, whites. thats nothing wrong with, you intollerant nerds XD

crisp forge
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anyone had slow download for bf5 on origin today?

solid hinge
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Lmao so many randies

pure veldt
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Raaaaandy

crimson orchid
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@wanton pasture @weak fog hey guys

solid hinge
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my names not randy though

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@solid hinge your a randy

tawdry geyser
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@crimson orchid leave me alone randy fucktard

woven solar
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I AM SOMEHOW PLAYING BFV

solid hinge
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@tawdry geyser❤

proven quartz
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It's a fact poeple are bigger pussys in this day and age

languid sandal
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@pure veldt why does everything have to be racist and discriminating?

woven solar
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I broke origin/bfv

limber anchor
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@solid hinge they released it early

pure veldt
tacit furnace
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@pure veldt just stop talking to them. you answer one and all of them come out at once to argue about nothing

languid sandal
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family guy si racist

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dont send me that

tawdry geyser
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@languid sandal its 2018 get used to it 😂

proven quartz
pure veldt
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hold on let me find you a southpark better clip then

tacit furnace
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@pure veldt dont feed the trolls bro go play a video game

proven quartz
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Or stop being so sensitive

solid hinge
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@tawdry geyser lmao l110 randy

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50/50 blacks and whites in BFV prologue

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deserves to get shit

crisp forge
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stay in topic guys!

solid hinge
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i dont mind blacks but this is getting out of hand

proven quartz
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Lol

solid hinge
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its all shoe horned into this shit

limber anchor
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Lol Jesus Christ

proven quartz
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Edgy

crimson orchid
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Love u @tawdry geyser

tawdry geyser
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@solid hinge PLG wannabe 🤔

pure veldt
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@tacit furnace i had such little sleep 2 days in a row i honestly dont even notice anyone trolling, im just kinda being zombie mode

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are people fighting? 😄

solid hinge
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@tawdry geyser im in plg 👀👀

languid sandal
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what are the 4 bottom graphical settings? can someone explain them to me and if they should be or off?

crimson orchid
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@crisp bane chief 🇷🇦🇳🇩🇾

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What is plg

solid hinge
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whats with people every bloody year saying its the worst year ever

proven quartz
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Plg shit

limber anchor
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@pure veldt idk I just hope he’s trolling lol

solid hinge
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All comp teams are shit @proven quartz😍

languid sandal
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chromatic aberration, film grain, vignette, and lens distortion

tawdry geyser
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Bfv comp is shit

weak fog
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@crimson orchid he pal

languid sandal
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which should be on/off

proven quartz
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Yeah but plg more @solid hingeLUL

pure veldt
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fluff bs @languid sandal

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you want pretty or you wanna compete?

proven quartz
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@languid sandal off

languid sandal
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thanks

solid hinge
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@proven quartz.m not as bad as L110 😘

pure veldt
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film grain, yea thatll help target acquisition 😄

languid sandal
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any other setting I should change?

proven quartz
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Oof you've heard of 6 star generals @solid hinge real shit

pure veldt
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you want optimal settings for competitive mode?

languid sandal
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i have a gtx 1080

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it auto put me on ultra

solid hinge
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@proven quartz lmao proud tier 1 champs 😂😂

crimson orchid
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Gkp is Randy @solid hinge

pure veldt
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you want it pretty or you want to look at targets easiest possible while maintaining mostly pretty?

proven quartz
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Hahahahaha

languid sandal
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but i would like to get the full 144 fps

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so anything to increase fps would be good

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and competitive settings

solid hinge
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@crimson orchid your my fav randie

crimson orchid
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I know

proven quartz
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Hate when PC players play on low

crimson orchid
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I have a 0.46 kd

wanton pasture
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oh hi randy

proven quartz
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Looks like shit

solid hinge
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@wanton pasture 😍😍

wanton pasture
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why am I here

languid sandal
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ADS DOF effects?

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on or off

solid hinge
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Lets fucking gooooo

wanton pasture
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hy gavin GWqlabsLove

proven quartz
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Doesnt matterr @languid sandal

languid sandal
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@pure veldt the latter, mostly pretty but look at targets easily

solid hinge
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When can i join don @wanton pasture 💔

pure veldt
wanton pasture
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well

pure veldt
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but should be pretty damn identical

proven quartz
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Lol Don stay in plg

wanton pasture
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when exor syringes me back

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👀

solid hinge
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@proven quartz 6 star are the best team ever 😍😂😂

blissful otter
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did they remove the grenade launcher from the medics?

wanton pasture
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🤔

solid hinge
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@blissful otter fucking randy 😂

crimson orchid
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I slides into your dms @wanton pasture

proven quartz
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@solid hinge You know it, not like they ever forfit matches or bitch cuz they're shit hahah

wanton pasture
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oh yeh sorry I came here first cuz some randy called me GWfroggyZoomeyes

crimson orchid
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No I alway use the grenade launcher @blissful otter

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I was the randy

solid hinge
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@proven quartz lmao 😂😂

wanton pasture
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exactly

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one sec

hardy skiff
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So anyone else have FPS issues

wanton pasture
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have like 7 pm's ......

crimson orchid
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Yes

blissful otter
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@crimson orchid

crimson orchid
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Beta netcode sucks @staff

hardy skiff
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Also anyone else get hit by a V1 rocket and be stuck with 1HP on the ground and u literally have to wait the whole game?

blissful otter
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there was the he grenade on the betas