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Why would they allow Premiere to gain one day early access out of the blue
That would be an awful business practice
Because premier members pay more, and thats how this whole launch has been lol
its sad, but you know, EA
My question would be if its one day why do pre order people still wait an extra 4/5 days ?
also its been pretty well advertised release schedule ngl
Its been well advertised, but it came pretty late imo with all the early access stuff.
The advertised release schedule states Premiere and Basic owners get access 9th
now all of a sudden Premiere gets access 8th and Basic still 9th?
What the actual fuck
Yeah, they just opened the floodgates to premier it seems
Wasn't there gameplay footage scheduled today
THE FUCK
Hmm?
200 MMG AMMO FOR THE MG42?!
When the release date?
Why
I didn't know Chris Hansen was a hardcore ganer
OH YES
It releases on the 20th
Hahahaha
Premier - NOW
Access - 9th
Regular Preorders - 20th
@solid hinge Gaymers rise up
HANS, GET THE MACHINEGEWEHR
Hahahahaha
HANZ GET THE BUZZSAW
HANZ GET THE PROSTHETIC ARM
You need to fire in short taps


Why in short taps?
Ill stop
π π π
There are bipods
To conserve ammo
whats going on?
Use long bursts for hordes
Conserve ammo?
@broken glade nope, i have basic and im downloading right noe
?
now
There isnt such thing
Long bursts?
Ammo is there to waste
Yeah it has 200 bullets right?
no bursts only right trigger
Regular Preorders - 20th
for delux it says the 14th at 11PM GMT for me
Oh wait
wait brb
@stuck plaza but can you play?
I'm stupid lol
try launching
@broken glade prefer to wait for 100%
Im going to download in a week
Haha
I have good ping in like 90% of games
Some just shit the bed
Cough cough CS
I consider 200 good ping
50 is a good ping
100 is god ping
i just hope my machine can run the game
Every machine can run
proof of my 2ms
Some just get 10 fps on low settings 
Yeah they did
still have a play button here lol
ya yeet
They wanted to fix all the shit
And add more tanks
At least I hope so
I want more tanks

You gonna play
ye hopefully
just get access bruh
Too lazy
You are unable to join your friend's game because you need to download and install Battlefieldβ’ V Deluxe Edition. Please retry joining the game once it is installed.
Wasted all my money on RDR2
after receiving invite
Post that wall of text in #technology
kek, typical dice games and their launch party bugs
Ye
Let me know if this unfinished game is worth buying
youre gonna buy it regardless tho
It is
Let me know when people stop bitching about a game they know nothing about
They know now
Bugs already started appearing in #technology
Only in Battlefield V Launch Trailer [4K Ultra]
Lets see what happens next
guys
The game is up
Lets see if its gonna be a disaster at launch or not
No shit, game's not even out for evrryone, and has been out for Premiere for 1 hour. Guess what, no release day is gonna be perfectly issueless
Now is the time
per 10 days *
I was actually really excited when I heard that dlc was going to be free and that they were going to put them out in a timely manner and Ike bf1 but then they said that the Royale won't be released till March, why include it in a video if it's not going to be in the game for 4 months
And now it's one of the best BF games out there
LMAO BF1?
well judging by BF4 and BF1, BFV is in good hands and they got a kick up the arse by the community with enough time to tweak the heck out of the game
so lets give it some time and see
over 100 pages of launch notes coming
they were definitely putting in overtime making the game to the community's expectations
Yeah as I said, we still cant assume its going to be good or bad, games were good too before and BF4 fucked it all up with the launch. Lets wait now
Again let me know if this unfinished game is worth buying
There is effort tho
Again, let me know when people who know nothing about the game stop bitching
@stuck plaza it'll be 10 hours total, not one 10 hour sitting
You are calling it an unfinished game based on what? No BR?
It will be worth buying in 1 year as all games, yo sure can miss a year of gameplay so you are sure you dont waste money
Content they showed and pushed out
GUYS
new nvidia driver is out on geforce experience
Because the MP sure as fuck seems finished to me besides not having vehicle visual customization
@novel light join us in BFV Squad 1? π
@violet locust how about you add me there... hehe
Multiplayer is up?
How can you guys playing the game?
@violet locust I would if I could

But I could not, because, you know, channel size
Origin Access Premiere has access already
@nimble heath reviews are starting to come out, looks like the embargo is over
9/10
IGNs opinion hasnt mattered for years LUL
That was sarcasm
Go onto twitch and find gameplay
If we moved to a bigger channel, I could join voice
yeah reviews are dropping everywhere
Join a different channel and I'll move you π
There is BFV gameplay on twitch
The first comment π
Too slo
If they give BFV a bad review they are going to be considered fucking idiots and if they give it a high review BFV haters will hate on them
Either way, it isnt good
I thought BF1 intro was something, but holy was that Nice
same
Rip
rest In piss forever miss
I THINK
i bought a month of Premier so i didnt have to Spunk 60 bucks for the game
BF5's discord game isnt working lol
So. How do i give free 10 hour trial to a friend??
like the discord game display = =
Idk
Ask in #technology
π
same
im gonna go to bed anyways
im not bf5 premier ppl
its 1am
cya
just installing new nvidia driver lol
Just do drugs, they replace sleep
got a bloody hair cut at 9am, i booked that one well didnt I
oof
Is it only me
?
Or doesn't revives work
Literally not working for anyone on this server
Yeh it did
weird bug
Maybe they disabled revives so people who dont revive ask for it and become team players
Encouraging teamplay
O H Y E A H
I was enjoying Medic
lmao I normally just let it die

I think EA access trial starts tomorrow in like 24 hours
time to sleep
depressing
at least I have the game data
and drivers
tomorrow may be the last for my gtx970
Hopefully BfV deluxe preload can be played when it releases
I just played my first match, and I gotta say, planes still feel weak in dogfights
Sucks even more because you start off with the fighter, no other bombers
Do they still fly like bricks?
Well that sucks
Oof, got premier for the month to start playing, origin wont let me upgrade my game though
Battlefield 5 is live right now. If there is any dice devs here i have a message for you. Thank you for making this great game.
You canβt survive a 2v1 even if youβre the greatest pilot of all time
bf1 planes were really fun
Hey guys, where is a good place to find a squad/people to play with on a regulair basis like platoons etc for bf 5 soon?
By the way guys, if I cancel my EA Access subscription.. will my already preordered game return to normal?
Well i'm kinda looking for like a squad and people to play with long term, not just random pugs every day/week etc
just gotta add a few people in the same timezone I imagine
Alright i'll look into it, thanks
what time-zone?
@floral crag #509395745510653953 is a place to look
can't turn off Vsync :/
@solar bluff wow thanks i'm blind AF becaus i din't see that i suppose
I must be blind too wew
@small perch check your global gpu settings if you can't change vsync
nah, it's the stupid preset thing in game
can't change critical options on ultra preset
Guys I have a problem
just change to custom then
I can't play BFV despite I have premier access
restart origin
Its the 8th, not the 9th ?
click the cog wheel and press play
I'm sorry for that dump question but did something change about axis flag?
it's just an old German flag right?
Meh, so it stayed. It doesn't change my feel about BF5 cause I can't wait for premiere, but it really hurts.
It still reminds me about the cod WW2 flags.
it does kinda suck that they didn't use the proper German flag for the war
Also I think there are much MUCH more people that want to have real flag than those who will be offended lol.
@tall dock definitely agree
I write it only because my family history which I'm proud of.
"really hurts" huh...
lmao
how long does it take for Origin Premier to "activate"?
Just signed up and paid and Ic an't play
I've bought the deluxe version on PC
well
Origin Servers are probably dying lol
is anyone getting low FPS?
i thought EA was on the 9th
it activates immediately
check #game-news
But you cant play today @rare zealot
About fps check if you're running on dual or multi channel ram
You can play right now with premier
It literally says that in #game-news
click the cog on the game
you can play right now
Too many deluxe premium premier first editions or what not lol
click play
The normal play button isn't there, you have to click the cog and then play
whats cog?
cog wheel / options button
click the game, click the cog, click play
Call of Guci
Preorder guys have access on 15th right?
I'm deluxe
nice
4 hours download 
13MB/s
there will definitely be a patch in the first week I think
3mb/s 
oof
no day one patch yet, probably because it's baked into the preload already
megabyte
that would be special
lol my friend in rural Australia has a 60 hour download
I offered to post him a hard drive
was me on the image boards downloading jenna jameson jpegs
unfortunately there are probably too many people with like 1mbit speeds
personally i preffer low latency over fast dloads
im in Norther VA i get great pings to EA servers
sadly yeah going full digital distribution is screwing some people over
10-20 ping usually
the infrastructure needs to catch up
I'd trade 300mbps for 100 if my pings went from 60 to 20
100mbps and 2ms here
if it makes you feel better in the 90s the US gov gave the ISP like 2 billion dollars or something to makes us the best internet in the world, and they totally pocketed it
people call me a hacker all the time in game and it's just because my latency is almost 0
haha
No eu servers?
in bf4 new days i played a server where i had 9 ping
just hit it a little
Ammo spammers unite
@amber notch jesus how that fast
i spam heath and ammo
I'm curious how the ammo was tweaked since beta
i dont know why anyone WOULDNT throw down an infintie item
bf3 and 4 got on my nerves so much
throw the damn health/ammo pack
it takes a couple months but eventually everyone knows the drill
nah they still do it
Just saw the castomization in bfv, thank god it's good, finaly relieved and excited about bf
i was playing bf3 and bf4 a couple weeks ago
spamming for ammo and health packs
following guys who wouldnt throw the shit
Yo the game ready drivers for
are here π
lmao when im a engy, i throw ammo for myself evey time i reload lol, just without even thinking
π
pour me some ammo
fill me up soldier
i need a sex on the beach soldier!
sex on Normandy beach huh
I do hope we get a classic WW2 maps pack
turn counter clockwise 3 times, and fire a one shot headshot, hipfire, at 100 yards, when facing exactly 90 degrees on the compas
Yep
why is progression in an MP game even a thing
make all guns and vehicle unlockable from the start ffs
first time bf player
it's not a bad thing with BF generally, most starter weapons are enough to get by with
Then you would appreciate how easy it is to unlock guns now compared to bf2 lol
so there's supposed to be no flat upgrades
that means everything is equally good, just in different ways
why do you even need progression in an MP game
there were more guns in bf2?!
Legit question. Should I refund the deluxe edition and get the regular one since the "early access" is barely anything?
your progression is improving in skill
@latent cairn if you don't care about the cosmetics i'd say so
I dunno about you, but I like working towards a weapon I want
most of the requirements arent too bad, apart from the 300 kill ones in bf1
Those were silly
Fair point Silver, and I don't. So probably better I save some money and get the regular version instead π
just went 56-13
just unlock MP40 and use that instead
Or you know, spam the crap out of Hitlers Buzzsaw
i haven't loaded up the game yet, but is there a way to skip the prologue? i just want to get to the menus and play MP first
I want to play Singleplayer first
Singleplayer is a trap
I like traps.
π
alright Freddy
stream
I will tomorrow but I'm scared my gtx970 will be poop
you can play now
im using a 1060 3gb I can run it fine
Lads, if i buy Origin Access premier right now, can i play BFV ?
@amber notch wait what?
if you have premier you can play rn
Time to shill out my buttocks for money.
@latent cairn I've got the standard edition and a month of access premier it's basically a better delux edition
Click the cog wheel and click play
right click the game
@zinc vale And cheaper I figure?
for me it was about 5 bucks saved, if i had got access first i would have also got 10% of the standard
so about 11 bucks
I'm just getting it for a month
lol!
you lose the deluxe stuff when you revert back to standard though
Yeah depends if you want the cosmetics
BF3 had no cosmetics, and still the best shooter they made π
fond memories of bf3, the first new gen battlefield I guess
nah bf4 had better mechanics
the maps were better in bf3 though
i miss CQ
metro was and still is cancer though
However much I love BF and always buy their games. I am going to wait for the release and play some VR Zero Caliber instead π
But if you preordered the deluxe version, and you cancel your subscription it should still be deluxe right?
if you ban explosives its ok
Don't wanna take any chances
are we gonna get BFV dances though
Wait is the game out for some people
Thought it was tomorrow
Thought premier got it on the 9th
Today is the 8th
I subbed only so I could play early
Or maybe timezone differences idk
Premier is "only" worth it if you buy at least two games a year from them anyway
Still preordered it though

My deluxe better come 1 day early then..
I literally had a dream about bfv
:/
And I still have to wait 7 days
Got VR yagman? π
awh
Doubt it, but can play Zero Caliber until you can play BFV hehehe
i have origin acces premier and cant play ?
Ea why
So are the servers working and stuff
What will EA make of everyone cancelling premier I wonder. Will they just bump up the price of the game and have no early access in the future? Will they just sell the game for an extra 10-20 with premium pass built in? It's an interesting thing to ponder
I need to just cryogenically freeze myself for 7 days
Until deluxe releases
I cant wait
oof
that means you get to keep it even if you arent paying monthly
I'm a big boi I can wait
Alright boys i sold my 15 dollars to ea access
ea access
Although maybe someone will love me enough to send me a 10h code
sweg
Make sure you fully close out of Origin as well, even in Task Manager
So bummed I didn't take off today
All I need is war stories gameplay from bf5
And I'm good
(New gameplay not the old ones we got awhile ago)
Or a live stream YouTuber playing it
you've seen jackfrags video?
Oh, so we went from X=>11=>12 days of early access. I get they are trying to push their subscription deal but what a way to fuck with people who are willing to pay then straight away. How is the game, anyway?
F
Isn't the release tomorrow?
i guess they got it working early and just opened the gates
It got released early for premier members
They just released it as a surprise π
just a reward for premiers it seems
isnt it supposed to work for basic origins access too?
Anyone think you could just get premier, then buy the standard edition later and keep all the deluxe stuff?
doesn't seem like basic access got it a day early
no you lose the deluxe part
I think so
@tall dock That has nothing to do with it. My guess it is partly to them wanting to ease the server stressing. Basically lower the spike that it will have tomorrow by having a decent chunk of people play it already. The other part being a marketing move. "Hey, you know you can play the game tomorrow? Still no premium? Well, if you get it, you can play it Today!"
yeah it's just EA being EA
It is actually really smart move marketing wise.
as for servers it shouldn't have mattered too much because they deployed with Amazon AWS which just scales with demand
Awwwwwwww yeah boooi
Are you still able to preorder and receive the bonuses if you havent already?
marketing mostly yeah
@broken glade No matter how you prepare, pretty much every launch is a shitfest. There is always at least on bottleneck. Might not be the servers themself, but maybe login/authentication servers, Origin servers etc.
Toned down somewhat
wtf when did it release=
2 hours ago for premier
40-12
sigh

ea btw
Cant believe we liveeeee and im off work toooo boiiiiiii
i heard rumor gmae is launched today?
someone told me, is it true?
If origin actually works it is out today
oh wow o.o
see the sidebar
good thing i preloaded it yesterday :D:D:D
bad thing is my connection suck and I'm still at 55%
My origin client is bugged and wont let me do the upgrade to premier, already pre loaded though
try restarting client, might help
been done twice, tech support rule one
run as administrator?
might be worth to reinstall origin
make sure you know how to install origin games with existing folder
otherwise might have to redownload
a
hold it
it wouldn't let me upgrade but I found a origin support thing that made it work
one sex
sec
one sex is all it takes
Ill take one sex and tech support thanks
yeah and me
I only sex for boins sorry
how could you say that to kids
Jesus Christ so far the prologue has been some of the most fun I have had in a sp shooter in years
how r people playing bfv
$$
origin access premier
yee
they suddenly show up and announce premier user can play it today
do you bought or do you pre order?
I'm at workkkkkkkkkk
i hope its cheaper in christmas
it's both a server stress test since it'll be a slower ramp up for people to join and also more incentive to get people to buy the month of premier
and it worked for me
ow oke :p here it is 5 pm π
Fuuuark :(
My date hasn't reverted to Nov 8, any fix?
Premier?
yup
IS THE GAME OUT
YOOOOO
PERFECT TIMING
RIGHT OUTTA GYM
READY TO FUCK SOME KIDDOS
UP
Are they going to reset stat at any point? like when alpha to beta
LET GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
bruh, look at the side bar
Perfect, that worked, thanks @zinc vale
or scroll up
Fake news obvs
how do u guys see 8th november
The Typewriter
gotta wait for full install
Its beautiful
Heβs an EA game changer
9th of november is the premier launch
@eager ore great, see you on the Battlefield mate
for origin access members I'm pretty sure
wait brb
@opaque stone check again
ok
also about reward from BF1 when till we get em
basic access get 10 hours trial today, too
oh yeha
can't swap teams :/
yeah*
and squad join is still broken
if assault rifles take 5 shots to kill now instead of 4 and have a headshot multiplier of 2, this means it takes 3 shots to the head to kill?...
i need wait nonetheless because my pc needs just a few more upgrades anyways
swapping teams is removed thank god
Dude this opening is pretty sick
now people cant just get free wins
@pure veldt ARs are still 4BTK min iirc
yes
STG44 isnt the highest damage rifle? we need Smythic damnit ;D
any word on how to share 10hr trials yet
what a messy launch
like hot sex
not that im complaining about earlier launch
I cannot wait to
Give your buddy five dollars to buy EA Acess @sacred junco
Hmmmmmmmmm, to spend Β£15... or not to spend Β£15
Th
EA bad mang
DICE doesnt get it, dont do it! ;D
EA already broke my wallet open rip
Mate I already want to buy premier so bad
im not sure who gets my Deluxe monies
I was on the bus home and i got a ping from here
Guess I get to try Pillars of Eternity
I was going to get the total war Warhammer 2 dlc but
why does the BFV prologue feel so
I can spend that money on premier instead
Pillars of Eternity is great
bland
Chris I thought it was pretty good
You can always just play against Vampires
I did not expect to be fighting in Alergia
I mean its eh but
and get a new experience
Play Teclis, I bet he's even harder
Is it bad I'm already looking forward to the next Battlefield title?
Nah the main draw for me would be playing as them cause tbh I didn't enjoy many of the new world factions
It feels a bit short in comparison to the BF1 campaign
skaven are fun though
I mean it isnt bad
But like in the first few minutes of BF1 it was just
fuck
PTSD simulator but then you get into the prologue and its
Its just meh :/
Narrative wise its pretty good but gameplay wise it just seems to fall a bit short
always has been in battlefield games
3 was doodoo, 1 was doodoo, 5 was doodoo but least doodoo
I think I'm gonna like BFV. My very first kill was a throwing knife kill.
Eh
imagine being in WW2 and you get stabbed in the pinkie toe
And you just die immediately
lmao you just fall flat
I won't be one of those idiot scouts that stands two timezones away sniping. I'll just be one of those idiot scouts that does nothing but throw knives.
Are there any people here that are already playing the game?
A legend on the front lines
Yep.
I think my biggest gripe right now is the horrible way they do view controls in cockpit.
And what are your thoughts on the final product now?
does prologue count?
Can't fly and also look around.
I'm really liking it.
Combat feels good, tankers are complaining the right amount, maps are beautiful.
gg assault guys
It's still pretty chaotic, nobody has any idea what they're doing.
guys
why the fuck is my game so bright
on that sniper mission prologue thing
like the sun is blinding me i cant see shit
@hoary condor You mean you'll have your throwing knife specialist that has a scoped rifle as a backup weapon.
SOMEONE TELL ME!
its out
sniper is life
thanks for the caps
people who have origin access premier can play the game already
but its november 8 still
but somehow it is possible but don't ask me why
probably they needed players so that youtubers get some footage early
I haven't finished the prologue yet. Can you play online or just campaign?
pls no story stuff
You can play story stuff
you can't discuss it here
Ah okay spoilers I understand
keep it spoiler free for a few days
definitely no more 1 shot body shot scout rifles right?
nope
what??
I wont tell you guys the part where Germany lost WW2
that saddens me
No more OHK body rifles.
it is released?
Headshots or bust.
no more sweet spot one-shots?
Nah, there's a sweet spot, anywhere above the collar bone.
I go for the head anyway
to me that just means pick the highest RoF > 50 dmg weap
only way I can be sure
the hit boxes you mean?
I love bolt actions
Throwing knives are the new hotness.
just use ZH-29
I'm happy that they allow Recons to use self-loading rifles now
like the Model 8 and the RSC
this i sepic
Tank/anti-tank feels really solid, they're super, super lethal, but also vulnerable without support.
If you're with a push though, you basically guarantee it. So much dakka.
Anti-tank? you mean assault?
I will probably buy the game at some point. However for me as I usally love to play as a scout I will proabably rather use the ZH-29 and the RSC since I think bolt-action rifles are quite weak compared to the self-loading rifles.
am I really supposed to only pick 5 special soldiers?
I got the 2 tokens from bf1
same
@gilded field Yeah mostly, though supports get sticky nades.
multiplayer should be changed from 64p max to 24p max
Haven't seen anyone making use of emplacements, but I think that's mostly just because no one knows the maps.
how can i turn vsync off? anyone?
how many scout weapons are a 1 hit head shot kill?
and give each side 20 NPCs
Assualts have a subclass abilities for extra ammo and extra regen
all of them
i wouldnt think any scout weapons "Arent" at least 50dmg with 2x mult
theyβre snipers
the ZH wasn't when i played the beta
probably a higher HS mult on scout right?
Anyone else experiencing terrible performance? Constant frame drops are really annoying me
Man, that Lee Enfield chromed skin looks gorgeous.
@midnight nimbus pretty sure i was within that range. oh well i'll check it out in 12 days 
Can Xbox play the game?
we still dont know if premiere retains the assignments and air drops if cancelled do we?
Not until tomorrow I suspect
should be able to pick it up yes
I'm usually not a PC player
Welcome to the battlefield
is there gonna be cavalry and or mortar in bfv
Yes
@solid hinge NO
@midnight nimbus LOL i was checking symthic to see when they had the BFV info and i saw this "Each chart (thanks again to kht120)". thanks for your contribution 
no mortars
If it doesnt you should try clearing origin cache
plenty of new gadgets
yea i made the BFV FTK charts
there are should mounted rocket now
what is new gadget
also RIP small modes
and throwing knives
BFV nuked them
no mortars, that was confirmed months ago
fukin bullshit
@solid hinge no more camping behind cover for you 
i dont mind mortar trucks
thank god no more mortars
preach
its fun playstyle
just not fun for you
maybe if u played world of tanks you could get the idea of how to play vs artillery
yeah go back to fb1
@solid hinge I have researched the game and found no calvary. I know how you feel. I really enjoyed horsing
if i wanted to play WoT i would play WoT
i just think seeing view from above with infintie ammo behind cover 2 shotting people isn't fun
many people agree with that
lol
its not infinite
specially in operations
and ur supposed to hide behind tall structures
bf5 wont let me play π
so the mortar clips the building or something
yes hide and get kills when the only counter is to use a mortar
Mortars would have been fine if they'd required manual azimuth and elevation adjustment, no mini-map, no magic shell cam.
fun fun
spotting scope doesnt require actually finding and clicking a button on someone anymore?
like world of tanks when u play, most of the game you should be hiding behind cover to not get raped by arty
@pure veldt Spotting scope never did.
and firing a mortar gives away ur position so u can counter it
It's always just been a hold-over spot.
i always still hit Q for BF1 to make them outlined..
maybe they were spotted but not 3d outline spotted? is outline spotting in V?
what r the new gadgets
yeah with another mortar. specially in game modes with "sectorized" maps. much harder to flank or snipe
atm?
http://eaassets-a.akamaihd.net/dice-commerce/Casablanca/Update_Notes/Battlefield_V_Launch_Notes_v3.pdf entire game inside here and all launch weaps, vehicles, gadgets, etc
cheers
when the only counter to something is to us that exact same thing, it means its broken
so no new gadgets? what am i missing
from 1?
New compared to what?
ya i understand they r close in terms of time
its like bf1 remaster
not at all
do spawn beacons make you para drop in outdoors?
Spawn beacon, AT grenade pistol, PIAT, Panzerfaust, and if you count them too, throwing knives (Grenade slot, not really gadget.)
Vehicles are way different.
Probably the biggest change.
yes i was gonna say apart from vehicles
Are the server even live yet?
gun play is way better and skill based. less focus on easy mode kills
As far as infantry goes, feels way more balanced.
Less nade spam.
Far less nade spam.
Thats debatable
did they fix the uninteractable door issue?
gun play is more friendly for everyone
one of the issues not really stated
could only sprint thru certain doors in Rotterdam in the beta
it looks copy and paste to me apart from vehicles but even that is just a reskin
I really wish I would have my Obrez in Battlefield 5
Play the damned game and find out.
It's not a ^C^V, no matter how much you keep repeating that lame line.
i wait until its not 70 quid
there isn't 3d spotting anymore
There is, but it's limited availability.
guns have actual recoil now. no more rng deviation
while ADSing?
Spotting scope, spot flare, sniper combat role recons, and machine gunner combat role supports can 3D spot.
its predictable recoil iirc




