be a good midrange gun
#battlefield-legacy-titles
regal sapphire
It was good in every range
regal sapphire
It was great in CQB
midnight nimbus
outclassed by semi autos at range
amber notch
Medic is alright.
sick geode
are there many more guns at launch than in beta? was like 4 snipers?
solid hinge
support my fav
midnight nimbus
SMGs shit all over the StG in CQB
restive talon
@solid hinge same
midnight nimbus
even the low RoF ones
regal sapphire
No they didn't lmao
amber notch
@sick geode There are 100% more guns
restive talon
M30 just mows down people
solid hinge
i love raining bullets upon people
midnight nimbus
they statistically and objectively do
solid hinge
and then just
sick geode
ooo 😄
solid hinge
builds
midnight nimbus
faster ADS time
solid hinge
just like fortnite
restive talon
Its funny to watch people die so fast
midnight nimbus
hipfire that's actually reliable at <10m
regal sapphire
Stats don't represent reality usually
amber notch
they were all revealed by an accidental leak, and yes, there is heaps more
midnight nimbus
stats represent proper use
regal sapphire
Stats are in perfect conditions
restive talon
Like staring at you then just flying away
midnight nimbus
if you're using the Sten and getting outgunned by the StG at <20m, you're just bad
you have every advantage there
midnight nimbus
what does the StG do better than the SMGs up close
regal sapphire
You just want an OP gun to shit on other people with
regal sapphire
Better damage
midnight nimbus
same damage up close
regal sapphire
StG also had no recoil
restive talon
Assualts angry with stg nerf when the game launches 
midnight nimbus
which dunks on the StG hard in CQB
regal sapphire
5 round burst when the StG could do anything better? lol
sick geode
can u customize pistols? didnt see that in beta?
midnight nimbus
StG is objectively worse at <22(?)m
arguably at <30m
you can reliably hipfire out to 30m with SMGs
regal sapphire
Why is it worse???
midnight nimbus
don't even have to go through ADS time
regal sapphire
I never had problems with the ADS once
midnight nimbus
StG isn't even reliable at hipfiring at <10m
restive talon
I had my friend complain on pistol recoil
midnight nimbus
SMGs are much faster at ADS
regal sapphire
Yeah but they're beaten by TTK
restive talon
Pistols dont have recoil
regal sapphire
Get over it, it got nerfed for the better
regal sapphire
Yeah who even does that
sick geode
can pistols be customized like other weapons?
restive talon
Idk
midnight nimbus
at 20m:
MP40: 133ms ADS, 444ms TTK
StG: 200ms ADS (irons, max ADS speed upgrades), 400ms TTK
regal sapphire
Faster ttk huh 
midnight nimbus
or you can just hipfire the MP40 and skip the 133ms ADS part
regal sapphire
It was pretty bad
restive talon
WHO HIPFIRES AT 20 METERS
solid hinge
honestly i dont actually care much about guns in bfv
regal sapphire
Exactly
midnight nimbus
given how you have 100% hitrate at 20m with the MP40 from the hip
solid hinge
literally anything dies in basically 0.3-0.5 seconds
regal sapphire
20m hipfire? If you're not ADSing you're doing something very wrong
midnight nimbus
why not hipfire at 20m
midnight nimbus
why not hipfire at 20m if you can still kill quickly and reliably at 20m?
regal sapphire
Because you might aswell shoot yourself in the foot
solid hinge
play aggressive and suprise the enemy, you can kill them fast as heck
your gun can help
but all of them do the same job
regal sapphire
You can't control spread with hipfire reliably
restive talon
Like dude
sacred junco
think the issue is ttk is fast anyways so might as well just use a gun thats useful in most distance
restive talon
I used the m30 as a sniper
regal sapphire
Then you lose any advantage you had!
sacred junco
and easy to use
midnight nimbus
except you don't have to wait for ADS
restive talon
Without scope
midnight nimbus
MP40 also has decent 100m hitrate
regal sapphire
Get over it Kht..
regal sapphire
Every argument you made is bad anyway too
midnight nimbus
sacred junco
its technically sound
but ease of use and the ability to more easily choose engagements with an stg just makes it an easier choice for most ppl
solid hinge
Yeah the stg was op
regal sapphire
It was
midnight nimbus
like yeah, you can't easily beat the StG up close with an SMG if the other guy shoots first
regal sapphire
yes
solid hinge
Glad it got nerfed
regal sapphire
Me too
midnight nimbus
not getting nerfed in the way it matters
regal sapphire
Hopefully gun balance won't be so bad
sick geode
which bf1 weapons are in bfv?
sacred junco
I mean stg is similar in function to the Ribeyrolle
regal sapphire
Wow it actually has recoil now
sacred junco
but nobody ever complained about that gun
midnight nimbus
StG nerf = still OP where it shouldn't be OP, still weak where it's already weak, and is now weak where it's supposed to be strong
regal sapphire
We had the Hellriegel which was better
sacred junco
Its medium distance fp was fairly weak despite its accuracy
midnight nimbus
second to last rebalance for Ribey 😩
StG nerf is needed
but the nerf it's getting isn't it
solid hinge
It was nerfed fine go with it and quit complaining
midnight nimbus
it doesn't need a damage nerf, it just needs more hrec
regal sapphire
It did get more Hrec
midnight nimbus
that's what stops it from being OP where it's currently OP
solid hinge
The damage was stupid on the stg
regal sapphire
It got worse recoil handling
restive talon
What do u want a aek
midnight nimbus
it's also getting autistic damage model
restive talon
From bf 4
midnight nimbus
no
regal sapphire
Fuck off
sacred junco
Watch as the Volksstrurmgewehr becomes the noob gun
regal sapphire
with the Aek
amber notch
Oh wait that going to be the mg42
solid hinge
I’m going with it either way
amber notch
sacred junco
seems to be a high fp high recoil platform
restive talon
minor gale
Golden stg 
regal sapphire
Nerf it then
solid hinge
You said it was bad
regal sapphire
Who me?
solid hinge
Yes
regal sapphire
I haven't even played with it
midnight nimbus
there's only so many things you can do with the MG42 if you wanna maintain authenticity
amber notch
No no
sick geode
u can buy multiple guns of the same one and upgrade em differently?
amber notch
he said the fg42 was bad
midnight nimbus
FG42 is bad
regal sapphire
Yeah not the MG42
restive talon
Mg42 is gonna be awesome
regal sapphire
It is bad
solid hinge
Ok then sorry
restive talon
Im maining support now 
midnight nimbus
FG42 has bad hrec and spread for what it is
topaz dome
can reset gun upgrades
restive talon
Assualt is ok
regal sapphire
I'm probably gonna main assault since the SLRs made a switch to there
midnight nimbus
Turner Rapid Fire is really good
amber notch
Laughs in tiger 1
restive talon
I didnt get too much attached to it
regal sapphire
I didn't like the Turner at all
restive talon
Even in alpha and beta
midnight nimbus
probably best SLR overall
regal sapphire
I mostly played with the Gewehr
regal sapphire
Yeah but in range you coudn't 3 shot
midnight nimbus
just click the head
topaz dome
Zh two shot
midnight nimbus
head hitboxes are huge
restive talon
Medics getting smgs back?
regal sapphire
Like that's easy
midnight nimbus
medic SMG makes no sense man
regal sapphire
It does make sense lol
midnight nimbus
yeah, let's put medics in front of the people they're supposed to revive
restive talon
????
midnight nimbus
you should sit slightly behind the people you revive
restive talon
This is comedy gold
midnight nimbus
so you can see what to revive
solid hinge
Medics should be in the front
midnight nimbus
if you're all the way up front, and the people you need to revive are out of LoS, how do you know to revive them?
solid hinge
Or near teammates to revive therefore getting the smgs
The medic class in battlefield one was awful
midnight nimbus
SLR medic was great
solid hinge
This is way better
midnight nimbus
still capable at close/medium
but you're behind the assaults you need to keep alive
you see what you need to revive
solid hinge
No I prefer the smgs instead of dmrs
You’re not at the fore front
i prefer lmgs over everything
You’re close but not like at the very front
midnight nimbus
what gets more "very front" than SMGs man
sacred junco
I do think Id prefer the Medics getting SLRs over SMGs myself
solid hinge
more ammo held in each gun the better
sacred junco
but at the same time I think they were probably overperforming in mid range
sacred junco
with the medic revives and how good a lot of semis are in this game
midnight nimbus
medics should be behind people they need to revive
solid hinge
on the front lines reviving
sacred junco
so its a tacit kind of nerf to medic
sick geode
are bazookas ingame? not just panzerfausts
midnight nimbus
doesn't matter if that's close/medium/long
restive talon
True
sacred junco
self sustenance in exchange for mid range power
solid hinge
but if the person you need to revive dies?
you need to get to where he was
They don’t need to be at the very front of combat in front of assaults but they shouldn’t be at range
maybe close range
restive talon
Pick his gun up and revive him @solid hinge
solid hinge
and revive him
midnight nimbus
auto revolver
sacred junco
throw med packs and revive if possible while supporintg them
midnight nimbus
yeah, staying right behind assaults is the optimal way to get tons of kills and revives
solid hinge
You don’t need to be the class to get tons of kills
midnight nimbus
just use AL8 + auto revolver and you can kill anything at all practical ranges
sacred junco
so I think its kind of a nerf to prevent medics from being self-sustaining powerhouses
midnight nimbus
you play a shooter to kill people 🤷
SMG medic makes medic even more of a self-sustaining powerhouse in BFV
you always have heals
solid hinge
Ok but you play in a squad to help your teammates
midnight nimbus
you always have ammo
solid hinge
Like a support
sacred junco
you aren't doing much hunkering in mid range
solid hinge
it was never 'op'
midnight nimbus
medic is ultimate point farm now
solid hinge
if you are on the frontlines their wont be a support with you
sacred junco
but you also die
solid hinge
Ok but you help teammates
regal sapphire
Dropped ammo is like 10 rounds per guy
solid hinge
hell be spamming the doorway while you run in
regal sapphire
You can't sustain on that
midnight nimbus
15 rounds is plenty when attrition exists
regal sapphire
Attrition in itself sucks
midnight nimbus
and since other classes have to sit behind you now, you just pick up the ammo from guys they kill
midnight nimbus
why play anything but medic or assault if you wanna win
midnight nimbus
well, they're not close enough to get it
solid hinge
Why not support your teammates
midnight nimbus
because they don't play to win?
solid hinge
maybe not everyone enjoys SMGS and ARS?
some peopl like snipers
That would greatly help you win if you’re communicating with them properly
some people like LMGs
sacred junco
you assume BF to work purely as a shooter first and everything else second
midnight nimbus
assault = best medium-long range class
medic = best close-medium
sacred junco
which is how it works for most pub games anyways
solid hinge
not always dude
midnight nimbus
camp supply depots and you don't run out
sacred junco
its all about just killing
midnight nimbus
killing wins games
solid hinge
support is good at all ranges according to that logic
so
Team work also wins games
midnight nimbus
enemy can't take the objective if they're dead before they reach it
regal sapphire
I feel like medics could've had a swap with assault guns
solid hinge
cant kill anybody if you run out of ammo
amber notch
midnight nimbus
support small mag LMGs = bad StGs
solid hinge
Killing is important but team work is just as important
midnight nimbus
MMGs are good for camping to deny objectives
teamwork and killing aren't mutually exclusive
midnight nimbus
killing people = helping your team
sacred junco
it kind of is in most regards
restive talon
Small mag lmgs are awesome
solid hinge
yeah but killing wont win the game
restive talon
True
solid hinge
you gotta cap objectives
sacred junco
usually will in equal grounds
restive talon
I can go 0 10 and be first
solid hinge
Giving health and ammo- helping your team
midnight nimbus
can't cap an objective if there's more enemies on it
solid hinge
and ive noticed neither medic or assault can do that job very well
midnight nimbus
gotta kill them first
minor gale
Ptfo is the key
solid hinge
Ptfo-helping your team
midnight nimbus
can't play the objective properly without clearing it
solid hinge
yes ptfo is key, but medic and assault cant exactly defend objectives aswell as support and recon can
midnight nimbus
can't clear without killing
solid hinge
you cap the next objective
they cap the one you just capped
Ok killing works but team work also needs to happen
midnight nimbus
assault is a top medium-long range class, and medic is incredibly good at sitting on flags and defending
especially since objective areas are CQB
solid hinge
but they are still aggressive classes.
solid hinge
You can still get aggressive with a medic
support is good at all ranges for sitting on an objective, especially with a bipod negating all recoil and making the gun a laserbeam
midnight nimbus
assault SLRs have no spread increase
and 100% hitrate to 140m
they're the real laser beams
midnight nimbus
clicking on something 3 times is so hard 🙄
solid hinge
well yeah it is
if you cant see them
if they are lying down
giving you 20cm to kill
sacred junco
Kinda sad the game seems to be reduced entirely into which gun you use now
solid hinge
with how dark they make your screen?
midnight nimbus
well, yeah BFV visibility is garbage
sacred junco
Better than BF4s
midnight nimbus
uhhhhh
midnight nimbus
is that a joke?
sacred junco
I can see shit in BFV
solid hinge
The visibility
restive talon
I cant see shit in bf4
midnight nimbus
BF4 had like no textures when you ran all low
sacred junco
I can't see jack shit with rays in every directionm
restive talon
Its all pixelized
sacred junco
jesus christ
midnight nimbus
soldiers stand out so hard on tryhard settings
sacred junco
Everything is a minmax
midnight nimbus
it's like better than CoD visibility
solid hinge
They also updated the visibility for battlefield v for the final release of the game
sick geode
whats ur first bf game guys?
solid hinge
bbc2
sick geode
bf1942
midnight nimbus
still have forced TAA 😂
solid hinge
and for the earlier conversation
not everyone enjoys assault and medic
ever realised that?
sacred junco
seems like BF4 is easy to see if everyrthing is set to potato then
solid hinge
people have preferance
midnight nimbus
not everyone enjoys winning either
solid hinge
you can tryhard
midnight nimbus
so yeah, that explains it
solid hinge
go do it
Ever realize not everyone enjoys using the best weapons to dominate
literally nobody cares if you do
solid hinge
People like to try other options
Battlefield should stay causal
when has it wanted to be competitive?
midnight nimbus
not casual != competitive
solid hinge
Battlefield shouldn’t be competitive it should be casual
midnight nimbus
casual vs competitive aren't binary
solid hinge
It’s fine the way it is
midnight nimbus
point is, weapon/class balance is still terrible
solid hinge
Either way battlefield being casual is fine the way it is
midnight nimbus
when you have two classes that sit above others
midnight nimbus
and people defend it, because "i like my option to use bad guns"
choice is good
but it's not a defense for bad design
icy sable
Hey lads I kinda messed up while preordering and I'm not sure what to do
solid hinge
I like my option to use good guns to dominate every match when I should try something different even if it’s worse
icy sable
So I have 2 psn accounts, call them A and B. I preordered on A while I play on B usually.
solid hinge
Cancel it on A
midnight nimbus
all your choices should give you equal viability in dominating
icy sable
I know I can just play the game on B since the console is primary on A but is there a way for transferring the enlister offer to B lol
midnight nimbus
play style doesn't account for bad balance
solid hinge
and reorder on your other account
icy sable
right have you done that before? @solid hinge
solid hinge
anh
nah*
No it doesn’t but it doesn’t equal picking the best option every round
but i dont see how it would go wrong
icy sable
the last time a friend refunded something their psn got banned lol
so I'm a bit wary on that
midnight nimbus
you play to the strengths of the appropriate play style for the map and mode
icy sable
I'll look into it then thanks
solid hinge
i know people that have refunded on psn and nothing wrong happened
icy sable
Probably contact live chat support
solid hinge
yeah
midnight nimbus
but every play style for each weapon needs to be optimal
solid hinge
Well battlefield is causal so good luck convincing everyone to do that
I’m not for sure
midnight nimbus
you don't need to convince people to play optimally
but each weapon choice needs to be optimal when used with the right play style
solid hinge
You don’t need to convince people what to use
If they want to be at a disadvantage then let them be
midnight nimbus
you don't need to convince people what to use at all, but each option should be equally viable, but in different ways
otherwise, why have bad options?
solid hinge
If they want to not use the best guns in the game then let them be
midnight nimbus
every weapon needs to be a "best gun" in its own niche
solid hinge
No it doesn’t
midnight nimbus
otherwise, that's what content bloat is
content just for the sake of having shit
without actually adding to the game
solid hinge
Every game has its set of bad weapons
That’s how it is
Battlefield isn’t the first example
midnight nimbus
yes, but good game design is striving to reduce that set
solid hinge
you are the only person that ive seen that wants the game to be a competitive one
midnight nimbus
it's continuously improved throughout BF's progression, but didn't make progress in BFV
icy sable
I can't refund it from the website because it's already been charged @solid hinge
midnight nimbus
i don't want BF to be competitive, nor do i care about it being competitive
solid hinge
Battlefield v so far doesn’t have the best weapon balance but I would say it’s better than most games I play (cod for example)
damn
Ok but you seem to have an issue with it being casual
@icy sable you might just have to play on account A instead of account B
midnight nimbus
i don't care about casual either
solid hinge
Like you mention it as a bad thing
midnight nimbus
it's a meaningless buzzword
icy sable
eh fuck it the only reason I want to transfer it is the paratrooper outfit token
midnight nimbus
"casual" is a description of player mindset
solid hinge
Then why bring it up
icy sable
guess I'll skip on that
midnight nimbus
i care about playing a good game where you have meaningful choices in the variety offered
solid hinge
from the RTBFV
midnight nimbus
where there are different ways to play to win
solid hinge
well if bfv isnt going to be like that
dont play
🤷
Battlefield v isn’t the best for weapon balancing but it sure as hell is better than most other games I’ve played
midnight nimbus
i'll probably pick it up on sale
icy sable
I haven't done any of the rtbfv stuff yet lol. How long does stage 2 take to finish?
solid hinge
it takes like nothing at all @icy sable
maybe an hours playing and you'll have everything?
2 hours max?
icy sable
aight thanks man
solid hinge
thats for like everything thats happened so far
Nice you got that resolved @solid hinge
yeah
midnight nimbus
RTBFV steps are pretty doable in a single play session
midnight nimbus
actually, i'd buy BFV if it had skillcannons like BF1
solid hinge
skillcannons?
solid hinge
Ewww battlefield 1 balancing
midnight nimbus
hard to use, but beats everything else in the game in most scenarios if you can use it right
sacred junco
that i agree with. BF1 there wasn't something that was drastically overperforming in the long run
not in terms of necessarily OP but what gun works for which situation
midnight nimbus
BF1 balancing is internally regarded to be the best of the series
solid hinge
Battlefield 1 🤢
midnight nimbus
skillcannon balance was woke
sacred junco
bad recoil mechanics will be exploited
midnight nimbus
have weapons that are "OP", but are balanced by being limiting
sacred junco
like microbursting to move the recoil out of the equation of high rpm weapons
midnight nimbus
@sacred junco good thing that returns in BFV!!!
except it's just 5 round bursting instead of microbursting
sacred junco
I do think BFV mechanics are gonna bring back macro laser guns
solid hinge
“Best balancing” ok then I didn’t know the balancing was so good that things like grenade spam was worse and vehicles were essentially overpowered and weapons were inconsistent
sacred junco
I dunno
maybe if the right tree was reworked entirely
to just at least get rid of all hrec upgrades
I mean vrec
solid hinge
Ok maybe weapons I’ll give a pass
midnight nimbus
outside of SMGs and some SLRs, right tree is really weak
vehicles were ez to counter in BF1
sacred junco
Meant the ADS/recoil tree
midnight nimbus
left tree
sacred junco
yeah
midnight nimbus
yea, StG left tree makes right tree useless
sacred junco
It seems inconsistent to make weapons inherently good at one over the other
solid hinge
Actually no weapons were inconsistent in battlefield 1 with random bullet deviation but whatever
midnight nimbus
right tree, you get better hipfire, but you still get shit on by SMGs
sacred junco
and add trees that improve one or the other
midnight nimbus
left tree, you're now good at sniper rifle ranges
sacred junco
i dunno what more customizable trees will enable
midnight nimbus
the specialization trees were basically a rebranding of the variant system
solid hinge
kolibri is a skillcannon
sacred junco
which is why im usually weary of customization
midnight nimbus
actually no, myb, right tree is ADS accuracy tree
StG right tree shits on left tree
sacred junco
I feel like thats gonna be some point of contention at release
I forsee some push for some tree reworks down the road
midnight nimbus
left tree gives you mediocre hipfire, right tree makes the StG OP at ranges its not supposed to be good at
left tree StG is balanced
right tree StG is where the problems come from
balance for SMGs was largely good
sacred junco
thats when you learn skill cannons that are only OP if you are good
not a whole lots of those
midnight nimbus
left tree StG fell off pretty hard after 60ish meters and begins to lose consistency at 35ish meters, right tree is consistent up to 100 and could tap/short burst well at 100+
sacred junco
still doesnt prevent ppl from using it
midnight nimbus
ZH-29 = left every time
semi autos in general should always go with the side with the RoF increase
G43 left tree is extremely good
you got RoF and hipfire buffs
sacred junco
Feels like rpm increase should always incur faster spread increase
sacred junco
so that rpm cannot be sustained in 50m combat relably
midnight nimbus
SLRs are designed to be used with max RoF
ever since BF1
nothing to lose by going full RoF
you don't pick the AEK just to use it at 600 RPM
sacred junco
at least most of the best rpm guns were limited by either low mag or fast dropoff
in BF1
midnight nimbus
automatic weapons are different
SLRs don't operate under automatic rules
semi = go fast as possible, automatic = burst when you need it
you do have spread penalties with rapid fire for automatic weapons though
all automatic weapons (within the same class) use the same exact spread formula across the board, but as RoF increases, 24/7 SDEC has less time to work, so you have greater net spread increase
even though your spread increase per shot value stays the same
sacred junco
doesn't the mp18 experimental only apply the spread at the end of the burst
midnight nimbus
BFV spread works entirely differently
tropic jolt
I guys are you excited for Battlefield V
midnight nimbus
in previous BF titles, spread decrease only kicks in after you're done shooting
in BFV, spread is always decreasing, even when you're shooting
so just because the StG has 0.25 spread increase per shot doesn't mean each shot actually has 0.25 more degrees of spread than the previous one
because at 600 RPM, you have 100ms in between each shot for spread decrease to do its thing
whereas in previous BF titles, spread increase per shot is exactly the difference between your current shot and the next one
BF1's change to spread is that it added a multiplier, so the second shot has a greater jump in spread
so BF1 spread patterns look vaguely look logarithmic
BFV spread patterns look even more logarithmic
sacred junco
so BFV backpeddled even further backwards
midnight nimbus
yes and no
so 24/7 SDEC is super woke, and operates non-linearly
it makes low RoF weapons more viable against high RoF weapons better than any previous BF title
problem is, the whole spread formula is implemented in a really stupid way
sacred junco
like for semis?
midnight nimbus
BFV semis have no spread increase whatsoever
this doesn't apply to them at all
the spread formula has incredible potential for great gunplay, but is implemented to make 5 round bursts the objectively superior way to use automatic weapons at pretty much every relevant range
midnight nimbus
but there are features that aren't meant to be changed throughout the lifespan of the game
yes, they are
solid hinge
dont state stuff without the release
midnight nimbus
more balance-wise
buffing hipfire a bit
making support weapons a bit stronger
making the StG garbage tier
solid hinge
yeah
midnight nimbus
but the system in which spread works in a BF title is constant throughout the lifecycle of the game
solid hinge
but how do we know the StG will be garbage tier?
sacred junco
I forsee the volkssturm semi to be the noob gun
solid hinge
have you played the release version of the game?
sacred junco
its still mostly a 4hk within 100m isnt it?
midnight nimbus
and BFV marks a huge shift in the importance of community decision
12m 4BTK, 50m 5BTK, 6BTK onwards for Beta StG
so similar to BF4 ARs
similar to BF3 as well
except with the same RoF as the SAR-21
the StG would be one of the worst guns in the game in BF3
only reason it feels as melty as it is is because of health attrition
but BFV raw TTK isn't very fast at all
solid hinge
yes it is
midnight nimbus
raw TTK isn't
factoring in health values, not really
spread is really low, but you could minimize spread in BF3/BF4 via microbursting, so it's not very different
solid hinge
what do you mean by raw ttk?
midnight nimbus
TTK as dictated by just damage (drop-offs) and RoF
sacred junco
And BF4 was pretty fast too as well
midnight nimbus
BFV SMG damage models are near-identical to BF1 SMGs
sacred junco
I did find BFV still more tolerable as someone who didnt like BF4 gunplay
but I dunno if the final iteration of the game will remain as such for me
midnight nimbus
BFV without health attrition would have a nice TTK
there's still rumored pushes for even worse damage though
sacred junco
still in a typical 1v1 scenario with a medkit in hand
it should be a fairly similar scenario as other bf games
midnight nimbus
assuming 100 health it's like
faster than BF1 obv
slower than BF4
BFV head hitboxes are BF4 size
way too big and easy to hit
sacred junco
probably to make mid range sniping more viable
in exchange for nerfing snipers overall
Probably not the best direction for that change
midnight nimbus
yeah, BF1 head hitbox was a good size for making headshots sufficiently risky
and rewarding
sacred junco
but that kinda just made snipers abuse sweetspot
midnight nimbus
BFV felt like siege a lot of the time
sacred junco
making certain situations kinda grating
sacred junco
I dont mind it that much
midnight nimbus
only way you make bolt actions viable
topaz dome
same
sacred junco
but I know there are certain hard points
that make it rather annoying
when people are all squattign around sweet spot range
like I guess Sinai or to some extent Rupture
midnight nimbus
i mean, that's just good positioning on their part though
knowing where their weapon is good
sacred junco
More like just the entire map just enables good positioning
sacred junco
so its less of a good sniper fucking you over and more like lines of 1hk snipers locked around frontlines
midnight nimbus
sweet spot can be countered though, so not a big deal
solid hinge
the mountain map has 5 planes per team
midnight nimbus
just look at the rainbow glare, reposition, and reengage
imo, the problem with BF1 sniper rifles is the ridiculous 80 minimum damage
can OHK you if you only took a little bit of damage
outside of their sweet spot even
midnight nimbus
idk the telemetry stats on that, but i'm sure it's decently high
or at least a ton of kills are on slightly injured targets
makes playing medic feel crutch on a lot of sniper-heavy maps
sacred junco
its kinda weird
that I did find sniping actually a PTFO tactic in certain situations
which is pretty rare for BF
midnight nimbus
yeah, sweet spot gave snipers the option of being good at common objective ranges
sacred junco
and I do like being able to more effectively hug terrtain
compared to older games
There are a lot more jagged low ridges that are easy to peek over safely
and even w/o sweet spot sniping is easy enough that even picking off people with 70-80 dmg is more than enough
lack of heavy sway helps
midnight nimbus
BF1 snipers would be perfectly fine with 60 min damage
solid hinge
am i the only one that enjoyed the bf1 weapon mechanics?
i thought they were good
and that they work
sacred junco
Nah this guy loves it
midnight nimbus
i like them, there's just parts that could've been done better
sacred junco
and I like it
midnight nimbus
the guns that were well done feel really good
sacred junco
whats a gun that isn't done well iyo?
midnight nimbus
Automatico at this state of the game
too weak
a lot of the lower RoF SLRs too
Federov is really weak
uhhhh
sacred junco
its a noobtrap gun
midnight nimbus
Benet-Mercie is just underpowered as shit
midnight nimbus
Automatico Storm is decent
sacred junco
Even tho a Huot is probably better for what it does
midnight nimbus
Automatico is like average in TTK now
so Storm being decent at near midrange while ADS is nice
Huot is pretty much always better
or M1917 Browning
give up -1 FSSM and a little hrec for 250 rounds instead of 30
sacred junco
I really dont know when they were thinking with that gun
Its like making a better Perino
midnight nimbus
should've just rechambered it in 8mm Lebel so it could use the same damage model as the Chauchat
make it a good close-medium gun
Perino is kinda shitty too
LMGs are probably the biggest mess tbh
MP18 Optical isn't terrible, but underwhelming for what it is
RSC SMG isn't accurate enough
but BF1 has some absolute gems
sacred junco
find it very underwhelming
ppl say it is a skill cannon
but I cant hit anything with it
midnight nimbus
it is
just not accurate enough for sufficient reward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwB1RKXKnTE here's some good gameplay with it
sacred junco
thats the guy with like 10k kills with the huot right
sacred junco
Think BF1 did a good job mitigating most guns with good stats to be harder to use
mostly
sacred junco
quicker kill time doesn't always lead to fast pace. If movement is janky and spawn time slow games becomes very deliberate
midnight nimbus
i like TTK quick enough where you can kill 2-3 enemies solo if your team is good
solid hinge
i like it when you can kill someone fast
Anyone else prefer the m38 carbine over the Mosin nagant infantry and scout?
uh
yes
i dont use any of those guns though
🤷
That’s about the only one of the 5 or whatever that I use
i use the martini
midnight nimbus
there'll never be something like the AL8 .35 again 😔
compact oxide
The Autoloading is in BFV though, I'm sure it'll be exactly the same 
The Ross is the best snipper btw
hazy lynx
Night where?
Im pretty sure it is day in central-eastern europe
Western
Etc
NA ?
Yeah it Is night there actually
Seems like the most of the playerbase is from there
solid hinge
my country is 24 hours ahead of the west coast of NA
hazy lynx
I dont know if I should play BF4 right now
solid hinge
wait no like
hazy lynx
I am in Central European
amber notch
hazy lynx
GMT +1
karmic hull
http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/manuals/EPILEPSY/en_US/GENERIC_EPI_EN.png cant promise once i get my hands on bfv
hazy lynx
There is GMT +12 in Russia,France..
There are some islands also..
Hmm
I dont know if its worth playing BF4 now
full nimbus
4 Hours left for PreLoad bois 
karmic hull
Ever tried opening preloaded game?
solid hinge
yeah but 4 tanks
stuck plaza
ima protect my boy hamada
mossy pivot
im happy to hear it
stuck plaza
altough,ARRAS, THAT, is a totally different deal
its on a completely different level of beauty
leaden badger
Anyone wanna play in 2 hours?
solid hinge
5 planes per team
leaden badger
Ps4
solid hinge
leaden badger
Oh
solid hinge
you'll have more luck
leaden badger
Thonx
solid hinge
alg
grave frost
T-3 hours to pre load 
rose pilot
compact oxide
It so reminds me of the bridge into military on PUBG, just instant death
pulsar valve
loud cough
mossy badge
Hoes in Afrikaans
grave frost
Twisted steel looks amazing
fathom pebble
@pulsar valve no 
slow spindle
Just to the right of E is going to be sworming with snipers, aiming down on D, G and F.
pulsar valve
amber notch
@mossy pivot Please do not post earrape videos here.
mossy pivot
@amber notch OK sorry about that, won't happen again.
solid hinge
those map screenshots
the ones where its the spawn screen
it shows how many vehicles per map
and bfv has WAY more vehicles compared to bf1
but less to bf4
but some maps have more than bf4
twisted steel has 4 tanks and 3 planes per team
one map has 5 planes per team
also planes seem to fly fast now
so yay
solid hinge
I think Hamada and Twisted steel wil be one of my favorites
noble current
!preload
junior mistBOT
:information_source: Here are the preload dates for Battlefield V
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267450209859010560/503505422016315432/pflbu58b77t11.png
noble current
@stuck plaza 👆
stuck plaza
when i ask for how much time i mean for it, cause i have no idea what UTC means
lean lantern
wow ^
solar bluff
Hour and a half for PC
karmic hull
1:30 HR left
mossy badge
I believe if you check on origin itself, it i will say when
amber notch
^
stuck plaza
thank you everyone
woven solar
solid hinge
Does anyone have an answer to this question? I have ordered cheap version of BF from CDKEYS. If i get premier access to play on the 9th and cancel it on 20th. will i be able to redeem my game or will that conflict with deluxe edition that will be there for month i have subcribed, and do i have to redeem my original purchase after a month?
i want to do this for the skins and early access
uneven blade
@solid hinge Premier access/deluxe edition will be shown as a separate game
But progress will carry over to standard
broken glade
really considering getting ea access to play early kek
what's the cancellation policy on premier?
stuck plaza
you still pay if you cancel it
broken glade
not even a partial refund for the unused portion lmao?
solid hinge
For me it´s gone a be One of the Best Battlefield Ever , what you think ?
broken glade
Hopefully
solid hinge
Loved Infantry and Planes gameplay , of course Planes need balance but it was fun
I cant wait
Omg
alpha and beta
broken glade
they said they fixed planes since beta, they flew like cement blocks compared to bf1, so I hope they are better now
solid hinge
i´m gone a pay for 1 mounth premium
golden hatch
Yep same here
solid hinge
and then find a good Price
steep radish
noble current
22min
icy sluice
I doubt
wary mason
!release
junior mistBOT
:information_source: Current Release Dates
If you need to know when you can play battlefield check this image out.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497324255608963072/505878241740062754/battlefield-v-5-ps4-playstation-4-2.original.jpg
November 9th Users with Origin Access Premier will be able to play the full game first on the 9th.
People with origin access Basic will be able to play for Only 10 hours
November 15th Release date for users that have bought the Deluxe Edition of the game.
November 20th Release date for Standard Edition
stuck plaza
release the beast early dice 😩
karmic hull
Xbox already have installed right
broken glade
the dates probably align with server node orders from amazon lol
karmic hull
Nobody can do anything to change their calendar :(
icy sluice
Xbox should already be able to preload
In fact they should've been able to since late October
tight kettle
Please let me preload battlefield 9000
icy sluice
❔
icy sluice
I don't know about that entirely.
If anything, you might not be able to play anything but they're allowing Standard users to change settings? I have no idea... it could also be a glitch and it's not showing correctly
signal field
So guys preload in 5 minutes?
sharp pike
mossy badge
PRELOAAAAAAAAD
stuck plaza
where 😦
mossy badge
Available right now
broken glade
pics
stuck plaza
WHERE? WHICH MENU
fathom pebble
Pre-load is available to download on Origin
mossy badge
^^^^
broken glade
nice
mossy badge
I've got a 14h download
broken glade
oof
stuck plaza
WHAT MENUUUU
solid hinge
i got 10mb/s
stuck plaza
OMG
solid hinge
1 hour left
icy sluice
tmw you're on xbox and you've already pre-loaded
fallow pelican
44 GB
stuck plaza
CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION
signal field
is it normal
solid hinge
refresh your origin @stuck plaza
obsidian hinge
Downloading it rn
fathom pebble
@stuck plaza Chill on the caps
thorn condor
Only like 50gb 👀
stuck plaza
sorry i8ts just annoying
stuck plaza
what menu is it??
obsidian hinge
In your library
stuck plaza
its not
solar bluff
Maybe look at your Game Library
obsidian hinge
Yes
mossy badge
Or you on console or something ?
It should be in your game library, navigate to BFV and there should be a big orange button showing pre-load
fathom pebble
@stuck plaza Do you have origin access? or premiere?
obsidian hinge
I have basic
obsidian hinge
Going to play it on friday for 10 h
broken glade
downloading fast bois
obsidian hinge
Not wasting premiere for like 7 days early
signal field
haha
broken glade
23.38MB/SEC
stuck plaza
refreshed, closed and opened and nothing happend
signal field
i will laugh at you while I play
mossy badge
1.20mbps