I like I like
#battlefield-legacy-titles
willow creek
fathom pebble
BF4 was like 5$ and premium was free
pure veldt
yea so we shouldnt have any segregation of community problems
amber notch
^
pure veldt
thats been my complaint for like a decade
amber notch
but there will still be community issues tbh
pure veldt
well, we are humans 😄
amber notch
some people wont like the idea of them adding microtransactions
fathom pebble
any community tbh
amber notch
but every game has that
pure veldt
imo it's going fine in BFront 2
amber notch
not just battlefield
pure veldt
people that like it buy it, the other 80% dont
fathom pebble
depends how microtransiction are introduced in the game
pure veldt
the 20% pay for the game 😉
fathom pebble
if they dont impact the gameplay its fine
amber notch
I have high faith, that this game will be a success despite all the backlash its getting
fathom pebble
if they do thats ofc bad
pure veldt
i dont even think it's getting too much flak
fathom pebble
I mean BF4 was horrible on launch
and yet its one of the most popular of the franchise
pure veldt
social media is just a bad thing
and that developer taking a stance on women publicly
other than that, eh
surprised they gave the green light to put something personal on social media
i sure as hell wouldnt allow that in my company
theres a difference between adding something to a game, not responding to any feedback at all, releasing the game as is and watching no one care anymore.. vs coming out and defending a position and causing a bunch of tension
willow creek
They should just shut their mouth about woman in video games
Woman should’ve never been added in the first place
That wouldn’t have caused all this drama
wary mason
People in bf1 complained about not enough customization
But now its suddenly a problem in bfv only because its ww2 era
That’s why customization was promoted more 🤷
willow creek
Black scouts
I hate it
But I think black scouts are good because the skin makes good camouflage
pseudo saffron
amber notch
Jesus
tacit furnace
LOL I dont know whether to chime in on this topic or just let it pass
I think i'm gonna just... let it blow away with the wind
amber notch
^
storm marlin
e
solid hinge
SJW shit is annoying, especially when people bring it to games
Like wtf
I play games to escape reality, if I want to murder homosexual Jewish African American Muslims in a video game, so be it, fak off
same^
while i have a swastika on my arm
and am driving a panzer
remote lion
Es Jay UUs are the worst ya 
tender carbon
i came in here thinking i was going to see some stuff to smile about because people are getting excited for the game but yikes , just the same old hate ugh
remote lion
I feel like we're in 2012-2013 again
When milo was relevant
Well the "hate" is rather justified
dawn mango
not really
tender carbon
eh it's a game, the gameplay is really fun, that should matter 1st and foremost, and idk it just seems like there's a lot of slightly racist people coming out because what they see is different and not what they agree with personally take for example spooky rav and onlygoodscout right above
dawn mango
"slightly racist people "
remote lion
The game is in a poor state, the marketing was insulting to say the least same with their response/reaction to it.
dawn mango
the game is in a good state kiddo
remote lion
By justified I'm ignoring the obv troll comments meant to trigger people
I don't think it is pal
You can love the game and disagree no problemo I just don't see it like you do
tender carbon
well not matter how much yall hate it the basis of the game will still be there , they arent going to completely change things
like this stuff has been planned out for years
and there are actually people that like their core changes so it will be supported and people will play
remote lion
The outcome can be shit no matter how much planning/work was involved
Oh I'm sure the hardcore fanboys will play it nontheless
tender carbon
i mean not even being a hardcore fanboy a lot of people like what they are doing,
solid hinge
If you wanna smile because people are getting excited you should of joined 2 weeks ago my friend
remote lion
But I'd rather give my money to the slimy assholes at Activision and still feel better than but bfv. Played the beta, looked up stuff and was more disappointed.
I know a lot people like it
A lot of others also don't
dawn mango
you and a rather loud but small part of the community
remote lion
The whole "br hype" will come out in freaking March
solid hinge
extremely small
maybe 3%?
no need to talk about it if theres nothing wrong
people still get hyped
but they dont go around screaming at people about it\
only the small annoyed 3-5% will
remote lion
Yeah and those small super annoyed people don't represent the whole criticism
dawn mango
they do tho
remote lion
I could give less fuck about the marketing but the game itself is bad
dawn mango
boi
solid hinge
this generation is like a bunch of babies
dawn mango
boi boy BOY
solid hinge
if everything is fine they wont talk about it
if one smallt thing is wrong
they cry and cry and cry
remote lion
Yeah no fair criticism and dislike of a game doesn't mean I'm just crying sorry
solid hinge
but you are
dawn mango
cause i play bf for br
solid hinge
you only complain
remote lion
?
dawn mango
you
remote lion
Is complaining bad?
tender carbon
ive never talked in this server and ive never really read this section what are yall issues with the game? im asking genuinely for the first time because honestly i read stuff like spooky rav said which is really racist and just get a negative view of the people that dislike the game
dawn mango
its annoying
tender carbon
like i know it has issues, no game is perfect but why is it bad in your eyes
dawn mango
honest critique didnt like the attrition system but then they changed it to something i liked
remote lion
AngryJoe of all people described everything pretty nicely I think
solid hinge
im telling you to stfu because nobody wants to hear your negativity
dawn mango
classes look to be well balanced
vehicles move nicely
and i love me some customization
remote lion
I don't think I will though lol
remote lion
Yeah clearly shows
pseudo saffron
alright boys... 
Let's take this down a notch.. Back on #battlefield-legacy-titles
remote lion
I'm trying to have a meaningful conversation but I'm told to "stfu with my negativity" 
vague flame
remote lion
Not sure what's upsetting about criticizing battlefield people take it personally I suppose
solid hinge
its just the fact that it wasnt criticism
im not trying to argue
and im going to leave
so i can study
it just gets on my nerves when someone says its criticism when they dont say what could be done to improve it
and they just go
"thats bad, this is bad, its all bad, i wont enjoy, how can you enjoy it"
bye
remote lion
you proceded to tell me to "stfu" before I could finish but mmmk gl with the studies man I suggest picking up some social courses
mossy badge
Oh boy
remote lion
Again I referred to Joe's video
solid hinge
just to stop this for happening again, ill just block him
wont be a problem for me
nothing else will need to happen
dawn mango
good call
tender carbon
....can... we ban the guy who was blatantly racist ... please....
i even dm'ed modmail
pseudo saffron
and we'll deal with it but for now let's get this channel back on track. #battlefield-legacy-titles discussions. if you have a problem, DM modmail.
tender carbon
i feel this is why some people that like BFV dont really want to talk to the people who hate the game, people who like the game see someone like spooky rav and might think all the people that have that view are similar and will not care for what they have to say
remote lion
As I was saying, Ignoring the terrible marketing and their response; the game itself is nothing special and even below average in some aspects. The gunplay is decent like usual I guess. It plays n feels right for battlefield. The attrition system is more than welcome. As far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong) the game won't come out with full land air n sea combat at the same time. As mentioned one the biggest selling points for the game The Battle Royal won't come out till march.
compact oxide
K
remote lion
I personally dislike the building cover aspect (feels like fertneit). The god damn stupid "credit system" for progression is beyond me. They haven't learned anything from their past 3 titles. They're repeating their mistakes. I'd much rather prefer a straight forward progression system like BF4. And speaking of BF4, that shit had lots of guns at launch. The amount in bfv is laughable at best. It just doesn't justify a purchase compared to other games coming out even sooner. Namely COD...
One thing I give DICE credit is not dividing the playerbase like Activision with its stupid tiers for BO4. But that ultimately might not matter if the game itself isn't good.
Real sorry If I gave any unsuspecting bfv fans heart attacks... wasn't my intention 
sacred junco
I guess I don't really mind having a huge amount of guns at release
Never really liked BF4 for making me go through each weapon type and play them all to get thru a bunch of unlocks
and the points only added up from exp directly from siad weapon
I'd rather they just had a specific oneset of weapons and slowly add a few more in at this point. BF4s draw of 70+ weapons never quite did it for me myself
Cover aspect is something that has to be balanced on a case by case basis. It does offer a lot of good fortification options on certain areas, but it could end up just making up more chokepoints to go through for an already uphill battle in linear maps
Sandbagging a few key points seemed more than enough to make Airborne Narvik map an absolute slogfest
not like its very difficult to build it again. It seems to work on smaller scale combat but when you have bodies piling up choke points in linear maps with 64 people that shits just gonna build itself up constantly
remote lion
I think it's more trouble than it's worth, instead of letting people build a cover at every corner maybe make the map itself more balanced
glossy trail
True
remote lion
Weren't all the bf1 ones just reskins
sacred junco
Smg 08/18 and Parabellum
glossy trail
But man am I glad I got BF4 Premium
sacred junco
no they were very memey guns
glossy trail
For cheap too
sacred junco
Chauchat, Ribeyrolle, Fedorov...
glossy trail
$7 for a shitload of content that would’ve cost $40 normally
placid quarry
BF4 Premium has been free to grab several times 😉
glossy trail
I only just got the game like what, a week or two ago?
And while some of the weapon assignments are hard to complete
(For example, Big Splash)
remote lion
"Playing in the past" as I call it is honestly amazing. You pay virtually nothing, the game has no bugs, the only downside is you're late to the party
sacred junco
not a lot of fully rotating servers
placid quarry
and not every server has 60hz
sacred junco
if any
glossy trail
But the gunplay is so much smoother than 3
glossy trail
Like, the 360 version of 3 runs well on back compat
remote lion
3 is a slideshow compared to 4
remote lion
What I don't understand Is, why won't they just make Battlefield Heroes 2
glossy trail
But in 3, I’d rather spray and pray
pseudo saffron
Battlefield heroes 2 is a MUST
remote lion
They like the building shit, the BR bs
Just go full cartoony style and gimme BF heroes
sacred junco
i dunno the building bs makes it feel more like im playing an fps Company of Heroes
laying sandbags, tanktraps, building bridges, etc. etc.
solid hinge
as battelfield fans we hope it will be litt 😍
remote lion
Lit af hopefully 🤤
sacred junco
in the end, people who like what they see can get it asap if need be, but the game has to prove itself right to people who aren't convinced at launch
sacred junco
If they can stick to the live model and offer a consistent set of content and updates hopefully they can sort it out
solid hinge
what about missions in squads that's crazy
remote lion
But with no hype or hell negative expectations compared to previous bf games I'm not sure that's achievable idk
sacred junco
they are gonna have to go for the long haul
which is not something I expect out ofEA
but if they are willing to give a consistent update and get more people in overtime I hope it works out
remote lion
Yeah everyones making fun of Activision for 20Hz but BFV's running at 0Hz rn BR will stay at 0Hz till freaking march
They better be out of their fucking minds with bf br or it's gonna be a nothingburger
Another "selling point" down the drain
plucky cobalt
I still don't see the need of BR mode in this game
remote lion
^
sacred junco
they were hyping it and its rather far away
remote lion
If they can do it I'm more than happy to have it
sacred junco
so its a kind of odd signal
remote lion
But march...
sacred junco
It would make sense if they announced it a little later
then they can kinda cycle the game's content flow
BFV->ppl getting bored->announce BR->ppl try BR->get more ppl
remote lion
No one was excited for Blackout But they did a great job with it considering everything and now everyone loves it
Oh and it came day 1 with the launch.
plucky cobalt
yeah but for CoD it's ok to have a BR mode
sacred junco
i dunno BF is closer to what BR can offer than CoD
remote lion
It makes more sense for battlefield but I guess cod can bf can't atm
sacred junco
CoD BR is so fucking off from the concept of CoD's gameplay
its still bizarre to me
plucky cobalt
hardly since it's team based
sacred junco
but the mechanics and scale is suited for BR
ballistics, large maps, vehicles, items/gadgets...
CoD having ballistics is so fucking bizarre to me still
and since BLOPS 4 has a very low ttk, its like the least CoD game so far to me
pseudo saffron
Head to #general if you want to have a conversation about COD, let's keep this channel #battlefield-legacy-titles related 
plucky cobalt
yeah sorry about that 😃
hoary condor
Mooning
rose pilot
autumn nest
hoary condor
woven dune
neat
pine dirge
Its not even opening
When i start game
It connects origin forever
After30 mins origin opens
solid hinge
when are we getting deb blog
fickle sluice
Dev talk is out
grave frost
sacred junco
well Vickers is confirmed
amber notch
^
sacred junco
wasnt the other one mg34?
hoary condor
think so
hoary condor
POW what does POW stand for?
lunar lion
POW
pine dirge
@amber notch iq 9999 name lol
minor gale
But just his name 
visual rain
Is the shooting stars meme still relevant?
https://youtu.be/qrp0VzRRUV0
pure veldt
havent seen anyone ragdoll fly in a while lol
i didnt know Patrick Soderlund is set to resign or did
hoary condor
ragdoll happens at point blank with tank
worn cave
Hey guys, bit of confusion. If 1/20 airlifts in deluxe edition are a cosmetic item, what are the other 19 made up of? I thought airlifts were cosmetics only
hoary condor
i'm not too sure
pure veldt
where did you get 1/20?
hoary condor
hey panda ❤
noble cape
Do y’all play bf4 on here?
solid hinge
@noble cape some of us do
pure veldt
BF1 trailer music and sounds overlay 100% superbly with BFV reveal trailer
hoary condor
bf in general... ❤
pure veldt
no in game currency on release eh?
just let people play the game for their $60 to full first, what??
nice to see after the crotch kick from BFront2 they're just saying fk it dont even put it into the progression system or anything related
pure veldt
i wonder how many people are preordering the week before or if all the preorders that will be in are just in now
i havent purchased it anywhere yet but still plan on paying retail
hoary condor
buying it digitally
pure veldt
im prob going with best buy digital just to get the $10 reward cert
solid hinge
Happy birthday battlefield 4 🎂
pure veldt
i dont know any other way to get all games for $50
solid hinge
Man battlefield 4 has come a long way
From a disastrous launch to being one of the better multiplayer FPS games
Happy 5th birthday 🎂 again battlefield 4
hoary condor
yeah... that's done too quick
i was 21 😦
yeah i remember that
crashed my car a few days before release lol
solid hinge
That’s not good
hoary condor
any reason to get a few weeks off to play battlefield
nah it was bad haha 12 weeks i couldnt leave bed ha
hoary condor
true, but i'm still alive and kicking arse on battlefield 😃
solid hinge
Yeah that’s good to hear
hoary condor
i need to find the picture of my legs..
one of them is in a cast, the other is literally all green and black from bruising
sorry should be in #general
great minds 
sacred junco
Was the madsen shown in the dev talk vid?
solid hinge
pure veldt
what is the system called for the weapon trees?
why isnt smythic loaded with all beta game data?? 😄
content will not be gated, almost assured
WHAT?
facepalms so hard goes back in time
i hope you've used the site but just dont know its name
pure veldt
prob the dedicated tank modes?
solid hinge
Yeah
pure veldt
yea kinda cool for those that like that stuff
karmic hull
feels like everything is post launch to me now 
solid hinge
when the game launcher
pure veldt
@oblique parcel http://symthic.com/bf1-stats
minor gale
I don’t hope they have exclusive cosmetics
pure veldt
there are rewards for doing tides of war.. even weapons
sooo if you miss a week you miss that weap forever?
solid hinge
I do wish it was up to the server hosters / renters to set vehicle limits
minor gale
Nah doubt
solid hinge
so for some maps it can be 32 jets
pure veldt
lol
solid hinge
that would be crazy but iirc maps have a set limit
sacred junco
that + up to 3 squad call in vehicles
pure veldt
i mean they have to restrict so that scoring is balanced
unless its like old school BF servers "unofficial"
people actually played back in the day just to play, no xp recorded to servers
@oblique parcel yea but knowing the exact distance a weapon is optimal at its damage = 😄
esp for Scout
solid hinge
you go on an XP server and play at other times
solid hinge
I'll get it 3 months after
It looks like a nice game tbh
if it had the premium model then the tank battle map would have been a dlc
but at least everyone gets it for free
solid hinge
imagine waifu skins on tanks
"Hanz, what is that lady on your tank"
"Oh nothing herr kommandant, it's just my waifu, good morale booster"
"ah ok, carry on then"
pure veldt
as long as you cant put funpop dolls in the dash
solid hinge
for firestorm they should have made the "storm" a chemical cloud
sacred junco
I was thinking more like adding bushes to cupola stuff
sacred junco
no easy weakspots in BF, but just allowing large bushes could make bush kemping possible
solid hinge
When they said adding fortifications back in may I thought they meant fortnite style building forts
and so you'd be able to build makeshift huts
dense bone
thank god its not like that
green elm
imagine seeing a scope glint and then building a 5 star hotel with wifi
solid hinge
and they acted as spawnpoints on allied territory
green elm
that would encourage squad play
dense bone
i mean, scouts already have spawn points
and allied territory only goes so far, so that wouldnt be helping much
solid hinge
Well
alot of people tend to mortar the spawn point
so adding multiple spawnpoints via building tents would make mortaring spawns harder, as there are more spawns in allied territory
dense bone
i dont think its gonna be much of a problem
green elm
infiltrator spawn beacon when
solid hinge
I don't get why they allow you to spawn on vehicles for the entire team
They should make it so that you can only spawn in squad vehicles
dense bone
i use vehicles to get into the action faster
i imagine a lot of people do, so that would make the downtime even greater
sacred junco
I really don't get why people bitch for content releasing a month later
dense bone
tank customization?
sacred junco
the panzerstorm map
dense bone
people wanna bitch
sacred junco
Nobody's bitching about Giant's Shadow still
solid hinge
True
dense bone
giants storm?
sacred junco
2 years down the line nobody's gonna care or remember when you got a weapon and a map for free month after release
solid hinge
True
solid hinge
I remember reading about battle royale being added and the vid I saw had a thumbnail of a paratrooper jumping out of a plane so I thought that people saw the paratrooping for grand operations and immediatley assumed that battle royale was a thing
all because of that paratrooper mission for grand ops
as it turns out DICE fully announced it at gamescom
ngl battlefield V will not be on my list since Red Dead 2 is released and trending
I don't have a console so eh
rip
BFV, Rising Storm and WW3 are my picks
and maybe squad
sacred junco
the whole spectrum
dense bone
i have ps4 pro, ill hold out for rdr2 on pc
dense bone
30 fps is pretty poo
solid hinge
aint worth the buy for me
dense bone
yea theres a lot of code in an app that suggests pc
dense bone
rdr2 is 30fps on console
solid hinge
Ouch
dense bone
a lot of games are still 30 fps on console
solid hinge
I can't stand 30 fps
dense bone
ps4 pro is 400
solid hinge
I remember it was like, 500 dollars at start to get a PS4 and new games
and a friend told me it was less expensive than PC games
: |
dense bone
they are same price at best
solid hinge
I mean you've got alot of nice PC games
so it's not so bad
PC market has alot of good games and mods
dense bone
i dont mod at all
but just having multiple vendors means more competition
plus humble monthly is boss
restive talon
Mod fallout 4
dense bone
i dont like fallout games
solid hinge
the definition of modding has changed ngl
In the past a bf or Half Life mod meant a seperate new DLC like game or a total conversion
now It means smaller things, like a realism mod
dense bone
so.. more to the meaning of mod
brazen glade
eh even if it's just small stat changes a mod is a mod. Doesn't need to be feature rich or include even new content to be considered one
solid hinge
Yeah
but in the past there weren't many small change mods
you mostly hear of total conversion mods from the past like that bf pirates mod or quake tf
icy sluice
That couch is quite small for them
That or Ryan is covering most of it with his stance
pure veldt
lol some guy on reddit comment about ohhh no this guy will get a weapon 9 days before me and ill be SO FAR IMBA getting killed by unfair blahhh blahhh
jesus, if 9 days is an unfair advantage to you in life good luck with the rest of it
solid hinge
Mfw the Stop Auto carbine pistol is my favorite primary of all time
Melting people with an automatic pistol
LUL
tight kettle
I can't stand 60 fps
icy sluice
9 days really isn't that unfair.
I mean, how long are you going to be playing it if 9 days is so much of a big deal?
tight kettle
9 days
this is still a shooter, there's no super huge advantage over higher level dudes
sacred junco
except unlock-less vehicles
icy sluice
It's not like an RPG game
sacred junco
in BF4
tight kettle
ehhh, again i wouldn't say big deal
this aint no path of exile where in the first week most currency is made 😄
fickle sluice
There is a trailer dropping this week
tight kettle
I like what they are doing with the battlefield currency, hopefully it works out
fickle sluice
It is Thursday...Just read the blog post
icy sluice
If there's anyone skeptical about Battlefield Currency
https://media.contentapi.ea.com/content/dam/bf/images/2018/10/economy-v3.jpg.adapt.crop16x9.1455w.jpg
karmic hull
I won't mind if they copy r6 currency model
Will help to understand
One more trailer coming?
icy sluice
I like that Levelling up gives you Company Coins now, it didn't do that in the beta
solid hinge
am i wrong or does bfv not feel or look like world war 2 at all?
dense bone
if you mean using all the standard game tropes game use to portray ww2 than no
i dont see standard nazis running everywhere with swastikas plastered on everything
still gust
sleek tartan
still gust
everyone would get offended if there are swastikas
solid hinge
I would say it’s a steam punk ww2 shooter
icy sluice
It feels and looks like WWII to me at least, as someone who has been looking at it with not just Saving Private Ryan and shit
Shaving Ryan's Privates
still gust
As a German I really would welcome some swastikas. not like EVERYWHERE but at least some accents
sleek tartan
"everyone would get offended if there were* swastikas*" yeah, in these times, it offends everyone that a WW2 game represents the factions accurately.
icy sluice
It actually does and that's kinda saddening
still gust
yep
i hate that i can not be proud of my country because as soon as I would be. Im a nazi
solid hinge
I think battlefield v is dice’s steampunk take on ww2
icy sluice
lol
still gust
Ridiculouss
solid hinge
I’m not saying it’s a bad thing though
sleek tartan
I'm not sure you should be proud of that part anyway...
icy sluice
You can be proud of Germany, but maybe just not the Nazi part
solid hinge
the new transport vehicles look futuristic to me or just super super clean
icy sluice
Halftracks!?
solid hinge
those look futuristic to me but they were actually used
its just like clean slates of armour
I wouldn't really say it'steampunk, it's more of an alternate take
not steampunk at all
like those futuristic tanks that have clean sides of armour like that
icy sluice
Well, okay then
https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/halftracks/sdkfz-251/SdKfz_251-10_Ausf_C_Fredericus_Rex.jpg
solid hinge
i dont know world war 2 outside of history class in school but idk it just doesnt feel like it to me
the saturation of the game is higher than real life and the uniforms are camoflauged when i remember them being solid colours
cerulean dock
that's because most of the pictures you've seen of that era were b/w
and unconsciously you've created this image of the war, and obviously seeing it in colors is weird
I have the same effect when watching modern movies/anything related to ww2
tight kettle
color eyesight has first been invented in 1953
icy sluice
Saturation is pretty realistic in BFV
ruby tangle
solid hinge
no
the same guy who did LOTR i think
he got all the b/w film and made it colour
its really awesome
icy sluice
So, in the Beta, Rotterdam was during Spring
http://static-v3c.raileurope-world.com/local/cache-vignettes/L900xH600/istock_76747021_xxxlarge-9a9c9.jpg
solid hinge
world war 2 in colour google it
they can detect the colours in the shade of the b/w or something
i think the producer is peter jackson or something
cerulean dock
World War II In HD Colour is a 13-episode television documentary series recounting the major events of World War II narrated by Robert Powell
tight kettle
ya
cerulean dock
wow it's on Netflix actually
tight kettle
that looks amazing, has it been released?
solid hinge
hellow mamacita
my history teacher told me about it lol
i literally heard it from nowhere else
cerulean dock
@tight kettle
First episode date: 4 September 2009
Final episode date: 20 November 2009
tight kettle
also I dont think bfv looked oversaturated
tight kettle
hopefully they dont blueball us like n bf3
solid hinge
its quite recent this month
tight kettle
icy sluice
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
solid hinge
the gui for bfv looks lazy
icy sluice
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid hinge
lol
cerulean dock
sound
solid hinge
hardcore mode
cerulean dock
enemies footsteps have been noticeably louder in all BF titles than the friendly footsteps
solid hinge
if just the interface and character style was changed i think i wouldnt complain
icy sluice
Everything is made to be minimalistic
zealous stone
which is alright
icy sluice
I like that so you see more of the actual screen
zealous stone
but just some slight alterations would be nice
solid hinge
ya but that makes it modern which its not
icy sluice
It doesn't really...
zealous stone
my dick is small because Im white, what's the difference
solid hinge
ok
zealous stone
I agree with panzer
solid hinge
white doesnt mean anything
cerulean dock
@zealous stone hey I have the same issue
zealous stone
but you're black
icy sluice
Would you rather have this?
https://i.redd.it/lhvks9x8hou11.png
cerulean dock
so
tight kettle
it's all about the butt
solid hinge
no i dont mean fill the screen
zealous stone
wow that was highly relevant
cerulean dock
how can I unsee that @icy sluice
solid hinge
the icons like for example capturing a point
tight kettle
but that's what people are asking for, the current hud is way too clean for a WW2 game
<idiotic rambling>
zealous stone
Idk Im ok with it
icy sluice
So then what do you want then?
Minimalistic or thematical?
cerulean dock
REEEEEE
zealous stone
Im fine with either
cerulean dock
FUCK THE HUD
tight kettle
minimalistic of course
icy sluice
I'd prefer showing off as much of the actual screen as possible
solid hinge
if u want minimalstic look at call of duty ww2
tight kettle
i'm still waiting for limbs to tear off of bodies, i assume a clean hud is a preparation to that
cerulean dock
I swear you all need to try this game with the hud disabled......... it'll change you
zealous stone
I would if I could play it
cerulean dock
it'll make your dick bigger @zealous stone
zealous stone
f a n t a s t i c
icy sluice
@oblique parcel No one is gonna point out the fact that it's almost a replica of 1942's hud?
cerulean dock
it was on topic... scroll up
tight kettle
cod2 was not as minimalistic as bf1/bfv
icy sluice
btw, I enjoy that we get the Madsen AND the Bren
solid hinge
jesus a lot of stuff is copied over from bf1
icy sluice
!jumbo 
junior mistBOT
zealous stone
wym @solid hinge
icy sluice
?
solid hinge
why does it start you at 900 seconds lol
icy sluice
You clicked copy at time
solid hinge
i didnt intend that im just watching it
cerulean dock
&t=300s
solid hinge
i copied the url
cerulean dock
why
zealous stone
nobody complained about Bf4 when more than half the weapons were in bf3
cerulean dock
yes but this is 2018
solid hinge
true that
cerulean dock
they censored white man
icy sluice
That was an AI's doing, surprisingly enough
cerulean dock
#sentient
ocean flax
anyone down for some BF1 ?
icy sluice
Hi Prince of AI
zealous stone
wait what
cerulean dock
you're in NA @ocean flax
zealous stone
what ai
solid hinge
its the gadgets im sad about they r all the same
icy sluice
EA developed an AI for an Anti-Toxicity filter for EA Games
solid hinge
i want to be a mortar player
icy sluice
FIFA 19, Battlefield V and... I think some other game
solid hinge
not mortar liike bf1 it sucks
icy sluice
Mortaring is too easy in BF
cerulean dock
i sleep
cerulean dock
woke
cerulean dock
why am I still alive
solid hinge
because..
you was chosen
its just cool sitting in a bush without spotting
breathing in
pew
same with mortar
misty pawn
who whant to brother.png?/
cerulean knot
One quick question, if I pre-order the deluxe edition, but it saying pre-load on Nov 7th but the deluxe will be open to play in Nov 15th. So will I be charge in Nov 7th or Nov 15th?
Thanks
cerulean knot
Dunno. I’m wondering myself
opaque hinge
pretty sure ur charged when u buy
cerulean knot
So....if the game said pre-load in Nov 7th, the will charge me in Nov 7th right?
dense bone
i like the deep fry @pulsar valve
pulsar valve
thanks
icy sluice
still kinda deep-fried
dense bone
lol yea slightly
dense bone
i kinda like how they put reason behind the test range, but at the same time, did they really have to go into that kind of depth?
like, just make shit float and what not
wary mason
@pulsar valve use the gif above pls 
icy sluice
btw, there's a second person firing I think
pulsar valve
thanks
icy sluice
That or the person shooting the target that's in focus is a really, really shit shot and managed to hit past the fence
pulsar valve
Actually, can't upload GIFV
icy sluice
Or is that just a very abrupt gust of wind?
dense bone
on the ground by the fence?
wary mason
use the link 👀
dense bone
looks like wind imo
icy sluice
Honestly it wasn't clicked on so it was kinda zoomed out for me so it looked like a bullet hit it
Either way, Co-Op is still confirmed for the Practice Range
pulsar valve
there
dense bone
nooo my fried gif
icy sluice
I hope Crafter-OS doesn't mind we use a GIF he made 
By the way, anyone excited to see SEVEN vehicle slots in one map?
dense bone
the less vehicles in bfv compared to bf1 is all i care about
icy sluice
There will be more vehicles by the end, just not as many types
in BF1 there were a lot of vehicles but they all filled one of each type, minus some fighters and bombers
There was only one Heavy, Light, Landship, Assault Tank/Truck and Artillery Truck.
solid hinge
Ahh yes, being killed by so many different vehicles in BF1 as infantry is the best
Mainly planes, when you don't have much of a way to counter them except other pilots, especially in faster paced game modes
Having a football field full of "fuck you" dropped on you by a heavy bomber as infantry is what makes me want to keep playing BF1
south lynx
QFAA is love, QFAA is life.
Heavy bombers are pretty trivial to knock out with static AA. It's the skilled attacker pilots who are a pain.
solid hinge
Tanks, cars, bikes, etc. are okay, but theres always that noob camping in the artillery truck just fucking your day up, by pressing one button, or the heavy bomber fucking you in the ass
Even the heavy bomber is okay once you figure out how to avoid it
But that god damn artillery truck
Why is this still a thing
south lynx
I think everyone agrees the mortar truck was a mistake.
solid hinge
I remember on Zavod on BF4, there was always a noob camping in spawn, killing people with it, lol
I'd always sacrifice myself on a 1 way trip to fuck his day up
south lynx
IMO it'd be fine if it had to be aimed from first person with no aim assistance or shell cam, just an elevation and azimuth readout. You'd either need to coordinate with someone acting as a spotter, or put yourself in a position to directly observe the impact, and thus be vulnerable to getting shot at.
solid hinge
But instead it consists of a guy sitting in the truck spamming a button, getting kills, usually being undetectable until the shells start raining around you & your like "welp, fuck me ig"
12/10
Most skill dependent vehicle in the game
Saw a video of a guy saying goodbye to battlefield 1
I wonder if he saw the battlefield 5 reveal trailer
@solid hinge perhaps play sometime without as many vehicles
14 tanks in one map
is dice serious
dense bone
if vehicles are a problem like they are in bf1 i swear im focusing all of my gameplay in destroying them
dense bone
depends how my teammates play
they pick assault and only kill other players, even though they are usually best suited to take care of vehicles
solid hinge
you could easily fit half of the match inside tanks
south lynx
BFV tanks were easier to deal with than BF1
Panzerfaust has some serious reach to it.
dense bone
we shall see, idk exactly what you are commenting on, i just know i am prepared to solely focus on taking care of vehicles
sacred junco
Issue is ppl don't really wanna drive transport
south lynx
I'm hoping the panzerschreck has more punch than the panzerfaust.
Transports really should retain ownership or have some sort of deploy mode. It was super useful driving one into a protected position and being able to have the entire team spawn on it, but it was silly that you had to park a person in the driver's seat for it to be spawnable.
sacred junco
Not driving it tho
solid hinge
park next to flag, shoot infantry, get hit and drive away
south lynx
Eh, I found that trying to use it as a battle bus just tended to get you vaporized by assaults.
solid hinge
just switch to co driver seat
solid hinge
its legit strategy?
sacred junco
I play vehicles because I feel I don't want someone who doesn't know how to drive taking it
south lynx
I just want them to fix the plane FMs so there's some basic level of energy management involved.
dense bone
sure, so is camping, so is placing bouning bettys everywhere, so is a bunch of stuff
doesnt mean its not cheap, and it doesnt mean i cant not like it
sacred junco
thats just gonna be the nature of games. If assaults are too strong then that encourages vehicles to camp even more
solid hinge
camping is okay since you get points for defending objectives
dense bone
it is the nature of the game, and im going to focus on taking them out
just like when i find a camper, i make it my goal to kill them
south lynx
Vehicles camping isn't a big deal anyways.
sacred junco
Depends on the map
dense bone
idc if its a big deal or not, i think its cheap shit and im gonna make you pay for it
south lynx
If they're not exposed to fire, they're not being effective or getting kills.
I'd rather have assaults be strong enough to kill an out-of-position vehicle than have vehicles be spearheads that can break a defensive position unsupported.
dense bone
^
south lynx
Vehicles should be subordinate to infantry, not the other way around.
sacred junco
but if they can't spearhead at all because 2 assaults can vaporize them
then they'll just camp even more
While inf. complain for tanks to move up to help
dense bone
its a tough balance im sure
solid hinge
you are now thinking like a french
sacred junco
Coordination is important, but in pubs its hard to really have that
dense bone
but either way, things i deem cheap, i will punish
sacred junco
BF1 was a bit easier
solid hinge
french lost to germans very fast
sacred junco
but BF4 vehicles can't spearhead anything for shit
south lynx
BF1 vehicles were far too resilient.
dense bone
and bf4 best bf
sacred junco
because a lone engi can solo vehicles
south lynx
Vehicles shouldn't spearhead anything.
dense bone
ironic
sacred junco
Still don't like BF4
south lynx
They should be fire support for infantry.
dense bone
i think a vast majority think bf4 is the best one
sacred junco
And I do not
dense bone
its either bf4 or bc2
sacred junco
BF4 has too many mechanics and features I do not like or care for
south lynx
Nah, I like vehicles, I just feel that they need appropriate risk/reward. Given the immense firepower available to them, making them so durable that another player cannot kill them solo is ridiculous.
solid hinge
its tank after all
dense bone
tanks should be glass cannons imo
south lynx
It makes them flat out impossible to 1v1.
Tanks are stupidly vulnerable to infantry IRL.
sacred junco
Thats why then everyone plays instaspawn servers right
dense bone
i get that they are tanks, and realistics and all, but this is a game
south lynx
An unsupported tank is dead.
dense bone
its just not fun to have a tank that is devastating and durable
south lynx
If tanks were realistic, a single shaped charge hit to the fighting compartment or engine compartment would put it out of commission.
sacred junco
I'd prefer if tanks were durable but not too nimble
BF4 tanks are just jet skis
skidding around and getting critds by a single rpg in the back
dense bone
not to mention a tank in real life couldnt crack a 360 shot on infantry irl
sacred junco
while infantry spring 40mph with laser guided missiles
sacred junco
and 70% of playerbase is an engi in a large map because there is lil point playing anything else
solid hinge
but ww2 tanks were powerful
south lynx
Tanks IRL are blind, deaf, and reliant on infantry.
Khan, you have no idea what you're talking about.
dense bone
most players were engi? since when
south lynx
WWII-era tanks were even more reliant on infantry support than modern vehicles.
dense bone
i only see assaults or snipers
everyone plays "the cool try hard look at me" class
even though they suck
sacred junco
In any map wihth vehicles
Yeah BF4 is unbalanced in that you onlyplay assault in cq maps and engi in large maps
sniper if you wanna snipe
no point in playing assault in insta vehicle spawn golmud most of the time
south lynx
Here's probably the most famous recording of any tank battle in WWII: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBI9d0-IfEM One hit and the tank cooks off.
south lynx
The Panther's side hull armor was thin enough that 14.5mm PTRD and PTRS AT rifles could penetrate it, let alone shaped charges with 150mm or more of pen..
south lynx
First hit (Panther striking Sherman) is only a few seconds in. Second hit (Pershing vs Panther) is around 1:50
sacred junco
the actual task involvied in sprinting, shooting, and aiming at a tank is very easy compared to real life
gray glade
that tank duel in that video is very interesting and afaik, the only ww2 tank duel ever recorded
south lynx
Yeah, and those simulated tanks have unrealistic situational awareness.
sacred junco
You don't see infantry sprinting with a panzerfaust and then proceeding to throw dynamite and run away in top seed
south lynx
Yeah you also don't see tanks with 360 degree visibility due to magic hovercam drones either.
gray glade
depends on which BF we are talking about 😃
dense bone
bf1
bfv i hope is more balanced
no behemoth shit either
no welfare in my gaming please, you losing? get better, dont give them a handicap
gray glade
i think like 4-5 or so rpg-7 shots destroys an abrams tank in BF4
irl it would not dent the armor
there was a story a few years ago where an american tank crew got hit over 50 times
but they survived and drove home
south lynx
@solid hinge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2tXO9oTGd8&t=1m44s Tiger tank commander's cupola visibility.
dense bone
were track that good in the past? that you couldnt destroy them?
south lynx
@gray glade Pretty sure you're thinking of the Chally 2 that got hit actually.
IIRC they threw a track, took fire from insurgents for several hours before they could be recovered.
gray glade
nah, there was a challenger 2 that got hit like 15 times or so
but this was an american one im thinking about
regardless, ww2 tanks were unreliable to drive, but they definately werent death traps, you'd be far safer inside a tank than as an infantry man 😃
south lynx
Challenger 2 took 70+ hits actually.
gray glade
so there's another one
south lynx
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2905817.stm Mentioned incidentally in that article, I'm trying to find any more specific info on the engagement now.
south lynx
Eh, they're old but still plenty punchy. Keep in mind that stuff like the TOW still works against modern threats (Debatably now that APS is a thing, warhead-wise though it's sufficient).
It's mostly just that composite armor + RA has become sophisticated enough to require multiple strikes on the same area to penetrate.
At least from any practical infantry-portable warhead diameter.
gray glade
yeah the TOW works well
south lynx
I'm not sure I'd necessarily say that. It hasn't faced any peer-level defenses in decades. It's fine for shooting Russian export junk from the 80s though.
The US has pretty much dropped the ball on missile development since the 80s, mostly due to congressional meddling.
gray glade
i think its acceptable to not make vehicles in battlefield too realistic if it means more fun gameplay
south lynx
Sure but IMO the baseline for fun is that any given 1v1 engagement has a chance to be won by either side.
Making vehicles require multiple assaults to take down is just bad design IMO.
wild oxide
Yeah, I like realism and all, but a Sherman would almost definitely be obliterated in a 1-on-1 against a Tiger
south lynx
I'm fine with it requiring landing multiple crits for an assault to 1v1 a tank, but it should at least be possible to do.
gray glade
it kind of depends on what range we're talking about
south lynx
@wild oxide Head-on perhaps, but historically the majority of tanks were penetrated from the side, and the victor was whomever shot first.
gray glade
most battlefield tank battles are like within 50-100 meters
wild oxide
Fair enough
gray glade
its the same issue that games like world of tanks has
south lynx
Also, at least when it comes to US forces, Tigers were virtually never encountered in the ETO.
gray glade
people complain about how german tanks are underpowered, but forget that players almost always fight close range
south lynx
IIRC the current verifiable record of encounters between US armored forces and Tigers stands at three.
And one of them the Tigers were being loaded on flatbeds, so that hardly counts.
gray glade
they "saw" tigers everywhere though 😄
south lynx
That much is true.
wild oxide
Huh, I didn't realize there were so few encounters against Tigers for the Americans
south lynx
German tanks were shit heaps for the most part. The Pz. IV is an objectively worse tank than the Sherman, and it made up the bulk of German tanks, followed by the Pz. III.
Before someone mentions the StuG, it's not a tank, it's an assault gun.
(And yes, it was the most numerous German AFV.)
@wild oxide The MTO saw more Tiger action, but that was before the Sherman entered widespread use.
gray glade
i wouldn't call it worse necessarily, but there were alot of propaganda back then that people still believe
south lynx
Also, the majority of Tiger action in the ETO was in commonwealth sectors. Brits saw a lot more of them.
gray glade
the t-34 is one of those propaganda pieces, it was an OK tank, but definately not as good as some people make it out to be
south lynx
@gray glade No it's objectively worse. Less reliable, worse visibility, worse crew ergonomics, worse armor, and more expensive to boot.
T-34 is an interesting tank, it's not a good tank from the perspective of a tanker, however it's an amazing tank from the perspective of a country fighting a war.
Cheap, fast to build, good enough to go where it needs to go and kill what it needs to kill, easy to maintain.
gray glade
cheap? well it cost as much as the m4 sherman
south lynx
Cite? I've always seen that it was about 20-30% cheaper.
gray glade
"Regarding the price, the study ‘Engineering analysis of the Russian T34/85 tank’, p5 says that:
‘it is believed, that the cost at the time of manufacture, converted to USA currency, would exceed 50.000 dollars.’
This was the same price as the M4 Sherman, an overall better vehicle, so it is not clear of how the T-34 was ‘cheaper’ than the competition (23)."
it was very nicely timed though
south lynx
Which price are they using? The cost of the T-34 fell by 50% during the production run.
1941 a T-34 was 270k rubles, by 1943 it had fallen to 137k
icy sluice
You know when an operations match was a landslide when the person with the most amount of kills had only 21
gray glade
i think they are taking into account the man hours to produce it as well
south lynx
@gray glade Yeah that falls directly with the price.
gray glade
"Also production costs and man-hours went down during the war. In 1941 8.000 man hours were needed to produce one T-34, this was reduced to 3.700 in 1943 (20). Price in rubles went from 430.000 in 1940 to 168.000 in 1944 (21)."
south lynx
The two are interrelated.
gray glade
but i mean it was way cheaper than kv-1
south lynx
Oh god you linked that guy. I just looked at the specific link you're using. Disregard him.
gray glade
😄
south lynx
He's cherry picking data and has a bit of a hate-on for the T-34..
gray glade
i like to put tanks into perspective anyways
south lynx
I mean, at the point where he tries to claim that the six inch tall sloped strip on the front of a Pz. IV is in any way comparable to the full hull height-sloping on the T-34...
gray glade
germany couldnt produce as many tanks as russia
and they couldnt man them all either
so they had to go for quality
south lynx
Dude is reaching so hard.
They didn't go for quality though.
Their tanks were abysmal.
gray glade
quality as far as they could
south lynx
Also, they could have produced more.
gray glade
yeah but who's gonna drive em?
south lynx
Their industry was just completely backwards.
gray glade
at the end they had boys driving tanks, boys who never even drove a car before, and they couldn't afford to train them as much
south lynx
They had the manpower, FFS they had infantry divisions. One squad is 2-3 vehicle crews.
gray glade
because of lack of oil
south lynx
Well that's well beyond the point where all was lost.
I'm talking about say, mid-42 or so. Not late 44.
gray glade
anyways, im going to sleep, its late 😃
south lynx
Late 44 everything was in the dump, but all the decisions about what to make and what to design had already been finalized years before then.
Before you do, a link for you.
sleek tartan
south lynx
Excellent talk on the relative manufacturing capabilities and decisions of the US, USSR, and Germany during WWII.
umbral anvil
isnt it kind of sad that the russians dont get near enough credit for helping in the war as they should be getting.. they lost way more people than anybody else.
south lynx
Cold war propaganda at work.
umbral anvil
every side had propaganda.
south lynx
Also why we get shit like Enemy at the Gates claiming that they sent unarmed troops into combat.
umbral anvil
yea western media always painting the russians worse than what they are
always gotta have a bad guy, right? 😛
south lynx
In actuality the guys without Mosins should have had PPShs.
But that would have been a different film entirely.
south lynx
Eh, the historical errors kept pulling me out of it.
umbral anvil
by looks of it im not as informed as you so i can enjoy the movie without noticing all the errors ! 😛
lol
south lynx
It runs in the family. My mom's a biologist. Watching movies with her was a constant stream of "That's the wrong climate for those plants to be growing there." "Birds don't act like that!" "Predators don't behave that way!"
umbral anvil
lol
south lynx
Basically family movie night ended up being a geeky version of MST3K.
south lynx
Hmm.
One of my personal favorites, despite all the flaws, is We Were Soldiers.
Anyhow, this is kinda drifting into #general territory, shall we switch channels?
umbral anvil
thats a epic movie
and that soundtrack is good
nah im going to play a match soon
Trying to get a service star for every weapon
usually i just whore 1 weapon lol
anyway going to play, laters bro
south lynx
Later.
Good luck getting the smoke launcher star. 😛
Actually, I don't know if you can even kill people with the smoke launcher in BF1.
icy sluice
312 resupplies and MVP
south lynx
Still rocking the support tank?
icy sluice
I was just support, first sector and only that sector defending
Parabellum SHREDS Sentrys dude
sleek tartan
@south lynx honestly don't wanna jump into a stupid argument, but it's quite well proven that there wasn't enough weapons or ammunition on some parts of the western front for the russian army, and that they also suffered famine and cold.