the game will be so slow without it
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
mortal flax
why would it be slow?
solid hinge
because you cant play aggressive
tight kettle
Bfv had it removed no?
mortal flax
People starting to actually behave like soldier?
misty nimbus
It only restores a to a point
solid hinge
They don’t want you being aggressive but rather conservative
misty nimbus
Lol yeah you don't want a game that's actual real life
mortal flax
No?
solid hinge
usually they will shoot you back
Try another play style then
do 70ish damage
Don’t always need to be aggressive
solid hinge
not everyone plays with squads
misty nimbus
Go to the rear to the medic station
tight kettle
In fact. Regen slows down gameplay
solid hinge
its just a point farm for medics
tight kettle
Because you have to... regen
misty nimbus
Just like real soldiers like you want!!
solid hinge
if you want to behave like a real soldier
take a bullet from a medic in bf1
Well shouldn’t medics gain more points for resupply my the soldiers with health
die
tight kettle
Removal of full regen is great
solid hinge
no it isnt
misty nimbus
Yes it is
solid hinge
Shouldn’t more points be awarded for resupplying your teammates or capturing objectives in battlefield
you are literally forcing a good 1/5 of the games population to try a new playstyle
misty nimbus
BLOPS4 is on sale
solid hinge
The just getting kills
mortal flax
What's wrong with trying a new play style?
misty nimbus
Full Regen aggressive style
solid hinge
why should i be forced to try a new playstyle?
solid hinge
Because they want to change things up
what if all supports got snipers, all recons got ARs, all assaults got medic rifles, and all medics got lmgs
misty nimbus
Why would I want a new game not to be identical to every other game???
solid hinge
how would you enjoy that
Maybe change the way battlefield is played
im not saying i want the game to be identical
mortal flax
I'd be fine with that
solid hinge
the game has changed alot
tight kettle
That's such a non argument
solid hinge
I mean you’d be here complaining battlefield v is the same as battlefield 1 if there wasn’t significant changes
ivory schooner
During OB I had Sad guy in my Squad, all He did was laying down depressing fire 😔
solid hinge
So what is it you want
misty nimbus
Bingo
solid hinge
but recons with AR, they play recon because they like taking their time (usually) and getting one shot kills
misty nimbus
REEEEEEEEEskin
solid hinge
not playing close quarters with an AR
mortal flax
Well, then they can play support
They won't have to worry about running out of ammo then
misty nimbus
What if everyone only had swords
solid hinge
but why should they have to change their gadgets that they enjoyed?
misty nimbus
And nobody could die
tight kettle
Bfv already changed fundamentally by adding predictive recoil
solid hinge
How would you change the way battlefield v works is my question
misty nimbus
Bc they're all robots
mortal flax
That would be amazing
misty nimbus
In the matrix
solid hinge
i like how everything is
slow down the healing sure
but
dont get rid of the healing to max hp
They want the classes to function properly and to have more team play like battlefield v should have
that literally destroys my playstyle
tight kettle
Play bf4 or bf1 then
misty nimbus
There's other games
solid hinge
You still heal to decent health like maybe to the 70-80 hp if I can remember correctly
No team play with squad
tight kettle
According to that logic we should all still be playing pong
solid hinge
the sad part is, is that you think battlefield is a realistic shooter! if it were, tanks could die to one shot, people would die in 1/3 of the time it will take in battlefield v
tight kettle
misty nimbus
Pong doesn't have health then you sjw
solid hinge
Battlefield isn’t realistic at all
i dont play with squads, and i dont play with my team
mortal flax
But it's more realistic then say...cod
solid hinge
It might look realistic but that’s about it
misty nimbus
Who said it was lol
solid hinge
i flank around, and get kills frmo behind them
tight kettle
Making a game more challenging has nothing to do with realism
misty nimbus
Gay
solid hinge
i dont have a medic and support following me around
the game was challenging as it was
@solid hinge there’s the issue and that’s what you should change
and now the game is supporting campers
misty nimbus
I'll do it for you bb. I'll be your shadow so you can have fun
Lol supporting campers
solid hinge
it is
mortal flax
It's not getting you to play passive
misty nimbus
With limited ammo and health
mortal flax
It's getting you to play with strategy.
tight kettle
Actually with removal of doritos moving is super strong
solid hinge
you wont have limited ammo and health
because its the supports that will sit in a choke firing their weapon
Ok so do you want the same thing carried over from battlefield 1 to battlefield v
I would just hate that
misty nimbus
It makes you move to get supplies or be a glass soldier with no bullets
solid hinge
camping it
nobody can push
if they get out they die
can maybe win one gunfight
then die to the rest of the team
misty nimbus
Supports camped already. Who cares
solid hinge
@solid hinge so since you’re unhappy about it what do you want then
mortal flax
If their camping use grenades, flush them out
solid hinge
just keep the health how it is
misty nimbus
He wants them to make the game just for him
mortal flax
Flank them
solid hinge
but you cant flankQ
mortal flax
Assult a different objective
solid hinge
you cant always do that^
misty nimbus
Play world war 3
misty nimbus
Ww3?
solid hinge
look, i love everything battlefield is doing
but the health didnt need to be touched
Ok adapt then
the way people play was fine
Change it up
but why should i have to change it up
Why not change it up
analog stream
world war 3 has a long way to go
solid hinge
why force players to change?
tight kettle
Because dice changed the rules
solid hinge
Yeah
tight kettle
Spice things up
solid hinge
AHAHAHAHAH
SPICE IT UP
AHAHHAH
@solid hinge they don’t want the same crap in past battlefield games so they want players to play differently
last time i checked spicing it up didnt make me play passive
what crap?
compact oxide
They had to change things because BF1 had very poor player retention
tight kettle
I didn't play passive in the beta
solid hinge
i honestly never had a problem with someone rushing me in any game
if they kill me they did better than me
good for them
Sure not like I died to so much cheese in battlefield 1
and if they arent good at it, easy kills for you choke whores
tight kettle
Due to aggressive playstyle with my squad I ended up with 90% winrate
solid hinge
Like grenade spam and bad vehicle balancing
That’s why I dropped battlefield 1
grenade spam and vehicles were shit
compact oxide
And the SMG 08 🤢
solid hinge
but has anyone truly had a problem with the way health worked?
No but I don’t think it’s an issue that they’re changing it
compact oxide
No, but I don't have a problem with how it works in V
solid hinge
so why does it need change
it was perfectly fine
if it aint broke, it doesnt need to be fixed
tight kettle
The change involves medics more
tight kettle
Just like ammo change involves support more
solid hinge
they still do it
lol
Ok but this would get them to do it more
medics are being forced to play close quarters now aswell
Such as wanting support to finally drop ammo
And medics have the weapons to play close range
from a game where they were more likely would of sit further back with their semi automatics
They have smgs
It makes sense for a medic to play close
tight kettle
Team play is bad?
compact oxide
Medics having SMGs is just going back to the older games tbh
tight kettle
Go play 1v1 quake
compact oxide
I just won't be playing medic is what It means
solid hinge
but not everyone played the older games
thin citrus
bf 1942 medics with smg 🤣
solid hinge
alot of people got battlefield 1 after cod failed that year
and thats what got them into the series
thats how i got into battlefield
If you touched battlefield 4 you were essentially a medic with an assault rifle
when ghosts failed
I’m sure people familiar with the series would know that
but not everyone is
And people with medic bags played close in that game as should they in battlefield v
alot of people, have battlefield 1 as their first
Ok well learn it
thin citrus
in earlier battlefields health never recovered anyone remeber that
tight kettle
Good times
solid hinge
a game shouldnt force that onto people
Yeah exactly
Rainbow six siege is a good example of learn it
And I love that game purely for it
tight kettle
A pvp game should
thin citrus
dude if you can't adapt it means you don't enjoy the game just dont play it
solid hinge
not everybody loves it
tight kettle
If there's nothing to gitgud at why even play
solid hinge
In siege you either play tactically and not run and gun or you’ll struggle
there are still other things to git gud at
and do you know how hard it is to change a playstyle?
No it’s not hard at all
tight kettle
No it's easy
solid hinge
i tried for a long time in bf1 to play support and try to sit back, wait for people to attack my objective
I was an aggressive player when I played cod and when I picked up siege I was able to learn that game over time
but i just still ended up attacking them anyway
because its what i enjoy
and what i love doing
Change it
tight kettle
Take your ritalin then
solid hinge
No it’s not you’d be dead quick if you run and gun in siege unless no one calls it out
/r/whoosh
Honestly it’s not hard to change a play style
he was being sarcastic but ok
look
ill try
like i did with bf1
but not every can adapt easily
tight kettle
Bfv has plenty of room for very aggressive playstyles
thin citrus
🤣
solid hinge
Like I was able to play siege by learning team work and call outs and changing how I’d engage an enemy
tight kettle
No as plain ass soldier
solid hinge
I think I hit plat rank this season on siege
Same thing applies to battlefield v
There’s a lot
tight kettle
The quit button
thin citrus
you mean throwing controller at tv
solid hinge
I would say ash, jager, twitch, bandit
I would also say rook and doc and echo are good for holding down objective
mossy yarrow
compact oxide
@solid hinge I played mostly agressive sniper in the beta and it worked well
solid hinge
'sniper
'
Technically we’d be complaining about siege because that game does force you to play so different from a normal FPS game
No you still have to drone and make call outs
as a second look at it, with the faster ttk it might not be as bad as i thought
i was thinking of bf1 with that regen
If I ran in a room without knowing it was clear, I’d be dead
compact oxide
Sniper is much better without the sweet spot too
compact oxide
Forces you to double tap or headshot
solid hinge
if you get the jump on someone you can still kill them with them not even get a shot off
I would say the best operators in the game for siege is twitch and echo
There’s also zofia and maestro that I like too
There’s so many operators that are good and I can adapt play styles to
probably
Well he asked the question here so I replied here
solid hinge
still trainees
tight kettle
Quick post catpictures
solid hinge
I can’t even properly upload a picture here without it getting blocked
solid hinge
maybe on the battlefield v wiki
compact oxide
tight kettle
Nice
solid hinge
Where the m1 grand at
Where’s the BAR
Why are some of the weapons used again in battlefield v that were used in battlefield 1
tight kettle
Peepeepoopoo
misty nimbus
Y'all still bitching lol
solid hinge
I’m not I’m only asking questions
misty nimbus
Stupid questions
solid hinge
Ok then thanks
tight kettle
What class gets what weapon types 
solid hinge
I think they’ll try to go for similar class balance where each class has weapons designed for their roles
solid hinge
Probably unless they announce some sort of change
I’d imagine only snipers for recons since they don’t want recons running with smgs
thin citrus
recon with smg as side arm that's the dream
tight kettle
I totally forgot what the distribution was in beta
solid hinge
And lmgs only for support and assault rifles/dmrs only for assault class
I’d imagine that for the final release
tight kettle
What about ironsight bolt rifle
thin citrus
that's what i always have in single player a sinper and an smg 🤣
thin citrus
i would expect more ironsight with the time period
solid hinge
Let’s wait and see
compact oxide
Everyone gets bolt actions if a custom server allows it
solid hinge
^'
stuck nest
does anyone know how to get the lil bracco for automatico
tribal ledge
The fuck is Lil bracco
stuck nest
il bracco or whatever gold skin for automatico
or lil bracco xanax esketit for automatilit
stuck nest
gucci automatico
tribal ledge
Like if you're not gonna give two shits about putting effort in making yourself comprehensive then I won't give two shits about trying to understand the heck you're trying to say.
stuck nest
Are you joking or am i getting wooshed?
tribal ledge
Nah. I just being a grammar nazi
stuck nest
oh
tribal ledge
And I genuinely have zero idea what you're trying to say
tribal ledge
Is that a reference to something?
stuck nest
to shit rap
solid hinge
To lil pump bitch
tribal ledge
I don't listen to hipedy-hop
stuck nest
Are you aware of these days mumble rapping?
tribal ledge
So I wouldn't know :/
stuck nest
No problem.
tribal ledge
No. I try not to get ear cancer
tribal ledge
I feel everyone I listen to that crap I lose a few IQ points
solid hinge
Lmao
tribal ledge
You know those phones that they give to babies thay have pictures of animals on them, and when you press the button the phone makes animal noises?
stuck nest
Yeap
tribal ledge
Like you press the button that has an image of a cow
stuck nest
Yeah
tribal ledge
And the phone goes "The cow goes moo!"
south lynx
The hell do you need a phone for that?
tribal ledge
That's how mumble rap sounds to me
stuck nest
relitable
tribal ledge
"The gun goes prrapapapah!!!"
solid hinge
Actually i dont know what we are talking about
noble current
tribal ledge
"The car goes skreeeeek!"
stuck nest
Stroud mumble rap
noble current
You're definitely in the wrong channel
tribal ledge
"The uzi goes BANG BANG BANG!"
stuck nest
i guess
south lynx
Bah, back in my day we had oversized chunks of plastic with pull strings for entertaining kids, none of this fancy cyberwhatsitmajigs.
Get off my lawn!
glossy pecan
But I want a clan that ain't someone to play with but oh well
solid hinge
does anyone remember battlefield friends
plucky cobalt
nope
hoary condor
got a good triple kill with the sword this morning.. not bad at 5:3am haha
find it in #streams-and-videos
ornate spoke
Battlefield 4
hoary condor
what about it?
solid hinge
Is this like a special edition type thing
rose pilot
No, just a book full of concept art/exploration
pulsar valve
Is that the regular one on Amazon or is that a new one
solid hinge
Ok
rose pilot
regular one
pulsar valve
Says like 70 dollars in the actual book
rose pilot
uneven blade
27 days to Bee eff Vee
rose pilot
Seems like the BFV one doesnt have any promotional dog tags or in game cosmetics
or at least doesnt say on the box
fathom pebble
ask Dan maybe he can tell you if it has or not
solid hinge
Yeah battlefield v releases soon
solid hinge
Yep
solid hinge
What does that mean when you add those two
rough smelt
solid hinge
Yes
hexed basin
opal lodge
So it's gonna be half a year till they release firestorm :x
teal sand
Indeed we can
opal lodge
i dont lol
minor gale
teal sand
Hype lads!
marsh ledge
Honestly, I don't know why, but reading that alert made me very hungry.
But lunch is in, like, two hours.
BUT WHO CARES
LESS THAN A MONTH AND WE GET A PRACTICE RANGE!
wary mason
😄
pulsar valve
marsh ledge
This is rad.
grave lagoon
rough smelt
errr
A revamped Rush is one of them. Say goodbye to MCOM stations and hello to bombs as you take on this classic, only available during Lightning Strikes.
so.... rush will only be for a limited time?
bah
marsh ledge
Oh, what?!
That's super lame...
But, hey! At least we get it!
And it's not gonna be a one-time thing, right?
rough smelt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pulsar valve
It'll probably make its way into a permanent mode
icy sluice
inb4 "Firestorm in March!?"
solar prairie
god dang i love the soundtrack for bfv
marsh ledge
Honestly, the fact that we're getting what seems to be a lot of post-launch content is kind of worrying to me, but I have good faith in the team at DiCE.
I just hope it doesn't become a trend to leave so many pieces missing when shipping the game.
restive talon
Firestorm not on launch reeee
hoary condor
I am too excited for this game
marsh ledge
Yeah! We gotta stay optimistic!
marsh ledge
Good to see a comrade here.
hoary condor
hoary condor
same 😃
marsh ledge
As do we all.
hoary condor
get them V1's rolling in
marsh ledge
Bzzzzzzz....
restive talon
True
marsh ledge
Hopefully Platoons will be carried over so we don't have to frantically join our respective sub-platoons.
hoary condor
it should follow over
solid hinge
By the time firestorm comes out I think it is no longer relevant at all
marsh ledge
Platoons?
hoary condor
If anything more platoons could be created for play firestorm
not that i have any interest in doing so, but may give it a go
marsh ledge
I'm sort of on the fence about the whole mode.
marsh ledge
Battle Royale games are not at all appealing to me, but perhaps Battlefield can spin it to appeal to people such as us.
swift gulch
if they wont include poland in that game, it will have nothing to do with ww2
marsh ledge
...
hoary condor
depends if they are putting it in that war story
topaz dome
oh sweet, we get a practice range in bfv 
swift gulch
well guess what where war started
hoary condor
i could go on...
swift gulch
and then theres no swastikas so ye
germans = nazi and no one is going to change that
hoary condor
probably for good reasons
then you don't need the swastika if you know they are german 
swift gulch
some people dont know
marsh ledge
I personally don't agree with the censorship, but you do have to keep in mind that DiCE is a Swedish game company.
hoary condor
I don't agree with it either tbh
marsh ledge
Censorship laws are pretty imposed there, if I'm not mistaken.
swift gulch
and other thing is that a lot of people thing that nazis were diffrent, faction? country?
hoary condor
nazi is nazi..
swift gulch
nazi = german
marsh ledge
I don't think a single Battlefield game has had a Swastika, and trying now would be met with major backlash, sadly.
topaz dome
nazi nazi as in a nazi about nazis as in like a grammar nazi but about nazis
pulsar valve
Keep on track about the game, thanks
marsh ledge
Although some of us here do with for details such as that, it's just impossible as of now due to sensitivity.
Ah, right.
swift gulch
we are keeping just talking about facts
marsh ledge
Apologies.
swift gulch
what we would like to see in game lol
zinc vessel
Thank goodness for the training map because I need to learn how to fly. I need that Stuka bby
hoary condor
yeah you know lol
marsh ledge
The Stuka, dear gods.
Honestly, I wish it was a bit easier to hear in the Beta, but it's still terrifying.
hoary condor
not the greatest machine but worked well
zinc vessel
I love how it screams before your inevitable death
hoary condor
it's horrible lol
topaz dome
I would like to see the grease gun, grease gun is my favorite ww2 gun, and was my favorite day of defeat gun
marsh ledge
It would be nice to see some unusual weapons.
hoary condor
i prefer the springfield.. not sure if that's ww2
zinc vessel
It tis
marsh ledge
Springfield was used up until the Vietnam War, I believe.
And was provided in place of the Garand rifle, due to low production numbers at the time.
zinc vessel
I want the B-17 Superfortress
zinc vessel
It would be amazing
marsh ledge
What if it had animations like the Ilya Muromets heavy bomber in BF1?
Like, transitioning places had this animation where you'd physically move around.
zinc vessel
AMAZING
marsh ledge
From turret to turret.
zinc vessel
You genius
marsh ledge
THIS BETTER BE IN THERE!!!!
zinc vessel
YES
marsh ledge
And in the Dev Talk, when they showed off some gunplay, I noticed they changed the P38 reload slightly.
Honestly, a major improvement. Doesn't seem as stiff as before.
Does anyone else think the sidearm reloads in the beta seemed a bit odd?
zinc vessel
Which dev talk?
marsh ledge
I forget which one specifically, but they showed off the MG-42 and the Krag.
solid hinge
Only 1 map per chapter?
zinc vessel
It's all good man
solid hinge
Oof
zinc vessel
Make more detailed maps
solid hinge
They better be large maps
zinc vessel
So they can balance it better, and make it gorgeous
marsh ledge
I don't know if I'm mistaken, but isn't Battlefield V going to have the largest multiplayer map in Battlefield history?
marsh ledge
Hopefully it's not only in Firestorm.
I'd like to actually play it more than once or twice.
zinc vessel
I think I'll definitely give Firestorm a try. Even though I despise the BR genre, I love Dice
cerulean plank
Wait firestorm isnt coming on release ??
cerulean plank
but their instagram said it will come on release
tight kettle
what gamemmodes will BFV have at launch?
cerulean plank
2 days ago
rough smelt
firestorm was never planned to be released at launch
they always stated it was post launch content
glad wasp
My big question is are locations 2 map or 1 map
marsh ledge
We don't know yet, but I have high hopes.
They absolutely cannot fuck this up as bad as 4 was at launch.
glad wasp
We need to ask about clarification on map number per location for the amaa
zinc vessel
They took extra time so I'm really really hoping it will have a good launch
AMAA was cancelled
marsh ledge
Damn.
lusty drum
Sooo, good morning all.
zinc vessel
Good morning
lusty drum
Uh, two maps in six months?
marsh ledge
Good morning, friend.
lusty drum
Not what I wanted to wake up to.
zinc vessel
Maps do take time
glad wasp
How do you know it's 2 maps
lusty drum
I don't disagree with you.
glad wasp
Dev talk is cancelled not amaa?
zinc vessel
lusty drum
People are starting to take that position on Reddit, too, and I don't really get it. Are you suggesting that they're going to overdeliver?
zinc vessel
What do you mean?
sullen mist
Two maps isn't alot especially in the space of six months, but the roadmap was pretty vague, there's a new grand operations and afaik they usually incorporate two maps into their gamemode
zinc vessel
Well it's really 3 maps bc of the training mode
glad wasp
That does not confirm only 2 maps
lusty drum
If they have more maps, why wouldn't they be on the roadmap? I don't get it.
glad wasp
2 Maps are needed for Grand ops to make sense
lusty drum
They're trying to sell the live service as a model right now.
hoary condor
Fall of Europe will be first.. that will be multiple maps...
glad wasp
There will definitely be paratroopers on crete
zinc vessel
The Belgium map is purely tanks and armor
marsh ledge
Oh, now the chat is getting fast.
zinc vessel
I think
sullen mist
Panzerstorm is basically tank superiority although it may have some infantry fights in between
zinc vessel
yeah
lusty drum
I think that's a stretch. They have every reason to hype people up right now. If the GO included more maps, I have no doubt that roadmap would say "Three New Maps".
zinc vessel
They have a lot of stuff on their plate in this roadmap
glad wasp
Also, where did you see amaa cancelled?
sullen mist
Yeah it seems like The new location Greece is there to basically say "our next new maps for this period will take place in Greece"
zinc vessel
Their tweet I think
sullen mist
Although I'm disappointed they haven't announced any factions in between
glad wasp
Do you have a link?
hoary condor
it will be Crete.. that was the final point for Germany
lusty drum
Greece map: Join a massive aerial invasion along the Cretan coast. The Allied side is desperate to cling to the island under attack by the Axis, attempting to break through the British defenses air superiority and paratroops. This map brings all-out war defined by a power struggle between tank control versus air superiority.
hoary condor
but they could do Athens also
sacred junco
Probably just new costumes with greece
hoary condor
didn't think britain had defense lines there?
zinc vessel
sacred junco
So you larp as a Greek troop or maybe even partisans
hoary condor
partisans were the ones
glad wasp
That's unfortunate
sacred junco
Maybe Italian for Axis
sullen mist
I seriously hope two maps isn't their actual plan from the span of December to March
lusty drum
That's what concerns me
A map a quarter basically spreads out a single Premium expansion across a whole year.
sullen mist
Also combine arms in march...why
lusty drum
That's not a good look.
sacred junco
How many maps and characters were added in the first 3 month of Overwatch
Was it just one?
zinc vessel
Think about bf1
lusty drum
That's a stretch.
glad wasp
Eh, takes Dev time all the same
zinc vessel
yeah
glad wasp
They said they are partnering up
lusty drum
They may have some shared resources, but that's a separate studio.
glad wasp
I wouldn't be surprised if dice also need some input
hoary condor
i don't think people really know the amount of work that goes into game making
zinc vessel
All we can do is wait
lusty drum
I'm not trying to be negative because I want this to be great.
But it threw me for a loop./
zinc vessel
Just have some faith
craggy temple
exactly, @hoary condor
glad wasp
Also, wouldn't it be 2 maps a quarter?
lusty drum
I'm assuming that the initial map is basically a release quality map right now.
and is an anomaly.
glad wasp
I guess we won't know until next year
sullen mist
January-March sounds kinda odd, there's a grand operations mode in that time there but on what map?
zinc vessel
It says mission not mode. Which throws me off
sullen mist
But all in all, January-March seems a bit too lackluster, there's combined arms and Rush returning which is neat but no maps or announcement of new factions or locations? Wack
hoary condor
it's still some time away...
craggy temple
Looks like the amount of maps released will be about the same as BF1, I hope
someone posted on reddit:
They shall not pass: 2 maps, 5 months after release
Tsar: 6 months after 1st expansion: 6 maps.
Tides: 2 maps, 2 months after Tsar
Apocalypse: 5 maps, 2 months after tides.
sullen mist
I'm gonna assume the weapons are going to be dripfed every month, like the Chauchat, the lebel, what looks to be the flamethrower in the SP, the Delisle and the weapons spotted in gameplay trailers
hoary condor
whatever happens...it's going to be epic
zinc vessel
yes
prime scarab
https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/448761-battlefield-5-designer-banned-from-playing-black-ops-4
😂
zinc vessel
lmao
wary mason
Drunkz3 is awesome 
pure veldt
lol that doesnt even look legit
glad wasp
He used to play for fnatic
pure veldt
hacks ftw
wary mason
I'll bet my left kidney that he's playing fair 👀 and the ban in unjustified
glad wasp
Also, if he was using aim hack, it would be obvious in his gameplay clip
pure veldt
i mean it looks obvious in a lot of shots to me
glad wasp
Have you seen how aim bot looks?
pure veldt
so if he can twitch headshot that good on some of the shots i saw then he's got a savant "opportunity" brain issue 😄
glad wasp
It's sticky around targets
pure veldt
there are some stupid smart ones that twitch to a near target
half the shots didnt even start off near anyone..
i never blame anyone for hacking but if that's 100% legit someone needs to take his brain out and study it
and implement that AI into US army
worn cave
PRACTICE RANGE
YEEEEEEES
I hope it allows for multiplayer 🤔
pure veldt
say what now
worn cave
though it hasnt ever before
worn cave
During this period, we’ll add the initial iteration of Practice Range to Battlefield V. A seat of learning or just messing around, this area will contain trials to work on your shooting, driving, and flying. Based on the Hamada map, this is an environment that can’t kill you – until someone finds the Friendly Fire button, that is.
practice range^
glad wasp
I'm whelmed by the road map
Ultimately fun gameplay and progression will make people stay
sacred junco
slow and steady progression is probably better than batches for people's interest
but that also is the case when the game has a dedicated base
The kind of base that whines about all the little changes but play it anyways
pure veldt
is that stupid sniper rifle he's using a 1 shot body kill?
worn cave
They mention friendly fire in the practice range so maybe it will be multiplayer!
pure veldt
thats the dumb game's fault for allowing this behavior then, yea screw CS style sniping lol
tight kettle
what's wrong with cs's AWP
tight kettle
ya
pure veldt
my CS days are over lol, im 37.. tactical games > twitch
pure veldt
i used to be that guy but then you adapt to your changing and deteriorating brain and use your strengths which is kids trying to jump 1 shot and you know the maps better
tight kettle
unless i get kids and aren't able to play a few hours a week, don't see why i'd lose my skill
pure veldt
thats true, if you can maintain that play time you'll be fine
solid hinge
guys wats the evolution to rhyhorn help fast
tight kettle
LE or LEM
wary mason
LE probably
pure veldt
because i can still twitch and am good at rocket league but without the play time you cant reach that next level.. and wife + kiddo = 80% less time 😄
tight kettle
btw, i don't even have to play cs, i can play battlefield and still keep up with the twitch aim.
especially with BFV around the corner
wary mason
i did post a nice little clip to #streams-and-videos from bf3
hoary condor
nice Hess
wary mason
i still play that game 👏
tight kettle
i don't see why the game mode would matter
battlefield is just bigger, requires thinking a few steps ahead maybe
hoary condor
nice man!
tight kettle
even though cs requires 400iq sometimes
pure veldt
because theres many more opportunities in small city maps to play "CS" style
twitch ADHD BLAP BLAP
lol
tight kettle
tbh, the map is bad if you can't get close to your enemies relatively unseen
pure veldt
in BLOPS there's no objective to maps, there's literally like 3 paths to get from your base to the enemy
pure veldt
you can train your brain to memorize the maps and know where anyone will be any time you turn any corner
like literally.. you are alreayd aiming in 1 exact spot when you turn a corner
pure veldt
no one? ok, next "location"
tight kettle
cs is mostly angles
but battlefield is too in a way
i clear entire squads because i hold an angle
sure, when a tank comes along i have to adapt but that doesn't always happen
pure veldt
yep, BF is knowing your current situation at least and where enemies have pressed to. Holding 1 spot is different every time you spawn.
tight kettle
train/ship aren't as bad
pure veldt
you dont just go right back to an exact spot in BF every death.. at least.. i sure as fk hope not 😄
tight kettle
no no, you are right
and i'm not talkinjg about holding that one specific angle like in cs or siege or whatever
pure veldt
but yea at least there's tactics involved and instantly assessing ok i can hold up here and take this angle to pop people off
tight kettle
but the principle of holding angles still works well in bf
plush flume
I'm surprised they're leaving Firestorm so late
tight kettle
they better release it when it's done
also personally i dont mind it, forces players to play normal games before jumping on br
hoary condor
airship does suck but it's quite easy to get out the sky tbh
tight kettle
which hopefully wont kill the default game
plush flume
BR might be dead or not as popular by then though lol
But I'm still willing to give it a shot
hoary condor
dreadnought is simple to take out because you get defensive weapons
tight kettle
if the dreadnought pilots are bad yes
pure veldt
they're bringing back Rush? i thought the 2 new modes were supposed to replace it
tight kettle
i take out AA asap if i get on a gun
plush flume
I think the road map is pretty impressive
hoary condor
dreadnought is the boat lol
ain't no pilots in that
Gatling gun i used as soon as enemy planes are in the air
sacred junco
dreadnoughts are pretty helpless against a ptboat on its ass
pure veldt
grand ops wont be avail on launch?
sacred junco
And I think people can just spam burtons against the airship now right
hoary condor
even get the bombers go overhead and knock it out
airship the ones i play against they are useless... lol
i don't even bother taking it out... i'm sure the pilots and gunners shoot themselves out haha
pure veldt
i love how people are bitching about only getting 4 months worth of roadmap
i rarely play beyond 4 mo, so game is laid out 😄
sacred junco
Wasn't expecting a whole games worth of content
pure veldt
yea i mean i look at this and im like, damn i hope you can achieve all this
so how can you be underwhelmed
sacred junco
Expected people to complain about the content laid out in a roadmap
pure veldt
and i wouldnt even press them if anything got delayed
sacred junco
Tho the Firestorm is disappointing to hear
pure veldt
very aggressive
sacred junco
not that I would play it much, but its something people were curious about and it is on the tail end of postlaunch content
pure veldt
oh meh, forgot about that mode.. good.. honestly, it will give blops4 time to die down
smart choice not to overlap
no one competitive in blackout is going to abandon to play V's BR mode
solid hinge
So much content delayed though to tides of war
pure veldt
we will have legit BF players on launch, that's good news ;D
i mean.. define "delayed" , did they promise something by release?
today's world of game releases with free DLC is insanely confusing and seems to aggravate players
solid hinge
It’s just disappointing to read that things like combined arms battle royale, and the last tiger got pushed back
lusty drum
In fairness, Battle Royale was always post-release.
pure veldt
yea i think pushed back is ambiguous
the devs have a base game to get out as soon as possible, they could sit on this 1 more year but no one wants that
lusty drum
That being said, there are things that were delayed after being positioned for launch.
pure veldt
and release everything at once
lusty drum
Dragging downed players, crash landings, Combined arms, etc.
pure veldt
im happy with free DLC at all
solid hinge
I mean if it’s not ready fair enough but it’s just surprising a lot of base game content you’d expect to be in the launch isn’t coming
lusty drum
So it's a mixed bag.
pure veldt
BR is like a whole new game in itself in their engine
solid hinge
Like 2 maps until March
lusty drum
I'd honestly rather have a Premium pass if it's going to be four to five maps a year for the live service.
pure veldt
i guess you "could" and just spawn buildings in with loot
they wouldnt work any faster with or without a premium pass i doubt
sacred junco
probably more like 8ish an year
pure veldt
i like the lack of paid DLC because now the community wont be segregated by content
ive barked up that tree for like a decade
Battlefront 2 is easy to get a game in
lusty drum
I agree that the live service fixes fracturing.
sacred junco
Where basically the only way to play is to either get everything at launch or wait years before they give it out for free
jade oriole
It's less content tho
lusty drum
^
pure veldt
1 map a month to me seems more than fair.. lot of work and testing goes into that
sacred junco
I don't mind less content. Not excusing it, just peronsally
I don't get to play any of that content in BF4 anyways
pure veldt
i prefer less opening content and a slow trickle
solid hinge
I mean this sounds like the game should be delayed to March because lots of things aren’t coming
pure veldt
yea i mean.. if they released all the BF1 content on release it would just be flat overwhelming
solid hinge
But I do see they have to get it out sooner or later
pure veldt
yea game dev sucks, corners are ALWAYS cut.. deadlines missed, features canned entirely
i hate it 😛
sullen mist
I have mixed opinions on premium
On the one hand I dislike the idea that once a game has reached past its content period, there will be less people in dlc servers due to new players not feeling inclined to purchase season passes for a game past its due point
On the other hand there was a guarantee of lots of content for these premium passes, although in Bf1's issue it was the case of how long it took for dlc to arrive as well as certain factions being locked behind pay walls
pure veldt
and having to tell design we cant do this and that by X cause this other feature took 2 months longer than expected
but.. there's still a target release date that has to be hit
cant keep paying everyone's salaries forever and have the game pay for itself
lusty drum
If we assume one map a quarter, Battlefield V underperforms BF4 and BF1 over a two-year life cycle in terms of content.
pure veldt
i know they're rich as a company but every title has a budget and list of salaries annually
the title itself has to succeed
worn cave
The french operations were shit for balance, paid premium doesnt guarantee any sort of quality improvement over a free model IMO
pure veldt
why does a game need so many maps? 12 seems like a high number
i need time to memorize them 😄
lusty drum
For two years of play?
pure veldt
how many do we get at release?
lusty drum
Eight.
solid hinge
8 maps at release and 2 over the period of a few months after release
I mean they better not get lazy with delivering content since they cut premium
lusty drum
But that's the other side of the argument, isn't it?
Premium locks in the content.
The plug can be pulled here at any time if revenue streams don't perform.
solid hinge
Yeah
sacred junco
but premium also is a roadblock for ppl like me
I just didn't bother playing after 1-2 of the expansions were out
Didn't want to pay for em
sacred junco
I can't jump back into it without feeling gimped
sacred junco
Not because I can't play content, but because there is a smaller pool
Yeah, its just funny how much ppl hated the system on its onset
sacred junco
Premium
heck even map pack system from old CoD
Blops in PC was nigh unplayable unless you were fine with 24/7 Nuketown
lusty drum
For my part, I never thought that the Premium model was unfair. I got an insane amount of value out of it.
sacred junco
and that one server with a 3 map loop
solid hinge
So what do you guys think of the tides of war road map and the content not coming to launch
pure veldt
i just want to shoot people in whatever content releases 😄
sacred junco
Firestorm sucks for optics, but I don't mind waiting a month to try new stuff
pure veldt
and start unlockin shit!
the only thing i care about is if the progression system is severely delayed like all other games
lusty drum
@solid hinge I'm not thrilled about the time frame. I'm hoping we get some information about the delayed gameplay mechanics, too.
pure veldt
BF4 released with full itemization unlocks at release but BF1 didnt add these combay specializations til.. when?
jade oriole
Wait, so will the Firing Range (or whatever it's being called now) be able to played on with multiple people?
hoary condor
bf5 released yet?
pure veldt
is it reallllly delayed 😄
solid hinge
Ok but what’s coming to launch then
solid hinge
Ok
sacred junco
4 grand ops
solid hinge
Ok
I think I saw one comment saying tides of war sounds like a cover up saying the game isn’t finished and this is being delivered as free content
tight kettle
bf4 wasn't finished, they sold the unfinished parts as dlc
solid hinge
I don’t think it’s that but it is interesting lots of things have been delayed months after release
tight kettle
bf1 wasn't finished, they sold the unfinished parts as dlc
solid hinge
I think people expect the war stories to be finished and the battle royale to at least come
I also think the co op mode was expected from people to be in release
sacred junco
It does suck to see them saying stuff is there as if its all launch content
but tbh I feel like all of this stuff is irrelevant in the long term if the plan is to make a game with consistent playbase
tight kettle
instant gratification is bad
sacred junco
I remember the Chaos Warriors debacle in Total War Warhammer
lusty drum
I don't even know if the playerbase is going to be stable at launch, to be honest.
There's zero buzz for this game.
hoary condor
unreal tournament were the days
lusty drum
Then you shed your initial hype wave off a month or two after release, and you've got the core fans left.
Where is the enthusiasm right now
tight kettle
lel
solid hinge
it's battlefield after all
hoary condor
battlefield is life
tight kettle
only in my group of friends there are at least 20 people buying it
solid hinge
I don’t think it’s dead on arrival but I don’t know about how long it will last
The hype going in for this game is really low
tight kettle
beta feels great, so i don't see why people wont stick
sacred junco
I am concerned about the EAs release structure
tight kettle
i'm sure EA wants one of their very successful IPs to die
sacred junco
Release waves of content and then release next installment within 2 years and drop all support
tight kettle
battlefield wont fail, EA wont fail battlefield
hoary condor
they haven't and won't
solid hinge
I mean if I’m being honest the tides of war service sounds like a cover up for them not having the game actually ready
sacred junco
With more and more multiplayer games designed for long term retention
solid hinge
Even vehicle customization is delayed strangely
sacred junco
I dunno if EA can do that well
tight kettle
what are you talking about
rough smelt
...a cover up?
tight kettle
the game is as complete as any other BF's first release
tight kettle
this time around they aren't selling extra content, they trying to give it away for the base price
...
"but BF4 had 6000 guns"
they were all identical
solid hinge
Tides of war: content that should be expected to come at launch
rough smelt
not really?
brittle imp
@solid hinge you mean decals and stuff.
lusty drum
I think it's fine that they want to release map content through a live service.
rough smelt
we're you expecting dice to release final stand for BF4 at launch or some shit?
solid hinge
@brittle imp yeah I wonder why that’s not here
lusty drum
But there's a lot of features that slipped into ToW too
solid hinge
@rough smelt no not saying that but like not finishing all the war stories isn’t something I was expecting
brittle imp
@solid hinge I dont care.
rough smelt
1
brittle imp
I will enjoy it
pure veldt
i think there's 2 types of people, those like me just happy to have another game to play in whatever capacity and those that wont ever be satisfied no matter what ;D
rough smelt
1 of them
earnest canopy
No BR till March. Rip
sacred junco
I mean
zinc vessel
@pure veldt I agree
sacred junco
if you like what you played you can swallow less content on launch
pure veldt
imagine a weird world where they got all of this next 3 mo content into release but had a new roadmap showing what is coming
sacred junco
but if you need some more convincing
pure veldt
you would still be having this exact discussion
tight kettle
tbh, releasing all content is probably bad for it's longevity
sacred junco
this isn't gonna look good
lusty drum
The optics on this are not great, I agree.
rough smelt
having all content from day 1 isn't bad... but ppl have been groomed to want more more more
high quest
Anyone thing this roadmap is disappointing
zinc vessel
no
sacred junco
what you need to do is keep ppl busy
You could have 2 maps at launch and keep adding little things for people to do
solid hinge
2 maps in 4 months time too
high quest
I was expecting more scenarios
zinc vessel
What do you mean?
sacred junco
World of Tanks takes you around 1-2 years to unlock a t10 tank with normal playing
pure veldt
haha there you go, content through brutal treadmill 😄
sacred junco
Its all meaingless grind but its something to strive for
tight kettle
WOT is probably on the other side of the extremes