didn't get to play the beta..kind of glad in a way haha
#battlefield-legacy-titles
ocean hatch
well it's a very different game, not to say bf1 is bad, it just plays really different
have fun with bf1 over the weekend!
amber notch
bf1 and bfv are entirely different
both in different eras firstly, completely different game mechanics apart from aim and shoot
hoary condor
cheers @ocean hatch
that's cool POW π
and i'm aware they are different eras.. by around 30 years or so lol
solid hinge
i only got to play one game
of the beta
an enemy jumped out of a tank
so i shanked them, stole the tank, and ran to my base
and i didnt do terribly
which is a suprise beause in every other battlefield i just fail whenever i touch the tank
hoary condor
my main objective when in a tank.. is drive straight into the objective and catch it
expect nothing but anti tank bombs going off
River Sommes sucks to be in a tank.. even though it's all open ground... them trenches and fox holes really knacker you out, as you get people in them with AT nades and AT guns
we get a gift on release for bfv
lusty veldt
awesome, a dogtag and a helmet
hoary condor
they look really cool
soft breach
Do you have to pre order the game to get the gift?
hoary condor
nope
it's free to all players, no matter the edition. It's a thanks as the game would of been released today.
soft breach
Ah, i see. Im not sure if im going to pre order the game or not
hoary condor
i am thursday coming... payday π
solid hinge
soft breach
Im a student without a job, i have enough to buy it and the trailers looks amazing. So i think i will pre order
hoary condor
Yeah man! don't want to put yourself out of pocket though... i might do a Discord giveaway on it
need to pay bills etc first
soft breach
Thats cool! I will wait and join your giveaway when you are going to have it
Will you give away for pc or consoles?
hoary condor
console or PC
but need to pay bills before confirming with i will
as it costs me Β£600 a month to get to work lol
soft breach
Oh, i see. Hard to live on your own
soft breach
Thats a lot of money
hoary condor
it should be fine.. just depending i may have to hold out til Nov and do a pre-xmas one
this weekend!
soft breach
Nice, i might play some games of bf1. Will be a little busy playing call of duty this weekend. Double xp there too
hoary condor
oh nice
it's gonna be bf1 for me all saturday
sunday i'm at airsoft...
usually get home for 4pm... then it's time for bf1 π
solid hinge
The preload is today?
hoary condor
You get early release on pre-ordered.. cannot remember dates exactly. But for physical copies it's 20/11/2018
hoary condor
15th i believe for that
solid hinge
Everyone here bar @noble current are Randy π
drowsy dew
I should have pre-ordered the deluxe edition but oh well
hoary condor
i am, thursday
first thing i'm doing when i wake up.. might get up even earlier to make sure it's done π
hoary condor
not yet, only xbox
hoary condor
break is a break
any time to play battlefield is good enough
27/11/2018 is the only time to get the gift they announced today
restive talon
What means bf v has gone gold
plush flume
it means the base game basically finished
hoary condor
Correct, which is such good news
wonder what they are doing in the office now.... lol
rocky falcon
Eyyyyy dev blog today
Canβt wait
Iβm gonna take a nice cold beer when I watch it lol
hoary condor
nice man!
hoary condor
i should have a glass of wine depending on when work open the bottles lol
rocky falcon
I understand German tho
rocky falcon
Lol
restive talon
To upgrade from the r9 280
hoary condor
later on dude
restive talon
Bye
shut jolt
What does
hoary condor
the before and after pictures in the link
topaz dome
can you activate a squad boost mid round at will still?
because it doesn't seem to be working
I spawned as a pilot after trying to activate a squad boost, so I can try to get all the weapon unlocks
and then I proceed to live a very productive life but guess what, the quad boost didn't activate
so then i try it again and it still doesn't work
even though I have 30+ squad boosts
silk mist
It is nice to see only 2 hate posts on the Battlefield twitter, and the rest being only happy comments
solid hinge
I have a bunch of squad boosts, grabbed premium pass when it was free and got a fuckton of battlepacks
red kindle
When is BFV released
rocky falcon
20th november
sinful tusk
Hate posts are totally uneducated
violet locust
sinful compass
The snowmobile sounds insane 
rocky falcon
250kmh jesus
hoary condor
that's crazy
wary mason
π
toxic briar
God I love war tapes
mossy badge
Would be nice if you could mix War Tapes with 3d Headphones
peak kite
if you have 3d headphones and you enable the war tapes setting the sound will still be surround
tested
peak kite
i can give you a link to mine hf they arent so expensive but the sound is cool
toxic briar
I have a basic headset for talking but I wanna get an actual gold one
Good*
And sure that'd be great
hoary condor
i have an alright one, will be looking at a good one soon
peak kite
@toxic briar moving to #technology
opal lodge
That latest dev talk is actually incredible. Battlefield always had insane Sound design, now we know why. Good stuff DICE π
peak kite
The sound quality in battlefield was always amazing. Even my salty friends agree w/ that.
I have idea for singleplayer. Because of original voices of characters it would be amazing to give an option to enable the user's default language voice-over (lector) 
hoary condor
yeah would be good to have the real sound of people and real sounds in game it's going to be a treat π
peak kite
...and that voice-over would give so much movie effect.
hoary condor
it will, it's going to be great!
i'm beyond excited
this game is going to make my life complete
zealous void
same omg
hoary condor
the sound team have done another amazing job
hoary condor
it enhances sound quality through the quite times to appreciate the beauty of sound
pure veldt
im just happy to know i have a name and face to blame and yell at if the UI has issues π
do they get a real version of every weapon to fire that goes into game?
if there hasnt been already thats what us red blooded men need is a dev talk at the shooting range and how guns translate into game!
solid hinge
The sound design for battlefield v is actually really cool
pure veldt
haha ok i just got to weapons
that dude is so happy
how can you not be getting to fire off rounds of ww2 weaps and throw grenades
earnest canopy
Have they shown gameplay of BR mode yet?
pure veldt
i bet it's not even fully done
earnest canopy
Thatβs what I feel like, and itβs so close to release
pure veldt
i wouldnt expect much out of it, blops4's BR is more targeted to those people
im not even sure why they're bothering, this isnt the game for it
earnest canopy
My gameshare partner wants to see gameplay before he will buy the game. He figures itβs just going to be like every other battlefield
pure veldt
there's a 95% chance of that
earnest canopy
What do you mean this isnβt the game for it? They have the high player count, the big map sizes, the weapons, and everything. Just need to make a map a little bit bigger and just add a few more people to the map.
pure veldt
i imagine the conversation that BR was... "Bob: Guys we gotta put in BR, everyone else is" Tom: Yea alright we'll toss it in there
it's just not like a dedicated FOCUS of the team i imagine
unlike blops4's BR
earnest canopy
Blops4 br is trash right now
pure veldt
i mean they will prob do a good job but not revolutionary BR
solid hinge
All or most of the issues (bugs, bad maps, incomplete coding, mechanics, ect) in really any game is due to people preordering.
earnest canopy
I feel like it will compete with pubg.
pure veldt
oof
earnest canopy
@solid hinge every release has bugs
pure veldt
lol what kind of statement, im not sure what to do with that
solid hinge
Don't pre-order. When they already have your money, they don't have to prove that the product is worth it.
earnest canopy
Never said anything about pre ordering?
pure veldt
that wont impact anything, they wont push the date forward just because preorder sales are low
earnest canopy
^
solid hinge
I hope you're not disagreeing with me.
pure veldt
no one is buying our game guys, we better push it off a year (said no one ever) ;P
earnest canopy
π
pure veldt
teams have budgets and deadlines, they're working under extreme circumstances to get something out on time
earnest canopy
I saw the gameplay release on single player, I played in the beta multiplayer. The only thing they havenβt shown but said was in the game is BR. So Iβm just curious on it is all
solid hinge
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with deadlines....
People pre-order and give money to studios who haven't even delivered something yet.
earnest canopy
No one was talking about pre ordering
solid hinge
Well I am now.
pure veldt
and no one takes preorder money and puts that towards development, they are all refundable
earnest canopy
^
pure veldt
we aren't crowd funding them by preordering
solid hinge
Refunds don't hurt the studio compared to the fact they made x amount of presales.
Yes you are. Look at BFV
pure veldt
if theres one place to bitch it's Indie's and early access on steam
earnest canopy
Battlefield has made so much money they are not worried about getting pre sales money. Indie access like he said would.
Why are you starting this debate when the conversation was talking about battle royale mode?
pure veldt
yea and you derailed my man debate about men wanting to see gunplay IRL!
hoary condor
pre sales are nothing, it's total sales in X amount of time i.e every quarter
pure veldt
because I was going to add that I also want to see Nathalie slow mo firing the weaps
solid hinge
My argument was that shitty games are in part of pre ordering.. BR mode was injected in just for the BR audience to pre order the game
hoary condor
not really... BR comes with the game if you pre-order it or not...
solid hinge
And just because there's one argument going on doesn't mean everyone else isn't obligated to contribute to that one topic alone.
hoary condor
that wouldn't jump pre-sales
earnest canopy
BR is just another game mode like conquest
if they wanted to jump pre sales they would of done what blops 4 did. give a beta of it and release game play of it first. take out single player and add more zombie modes
hoary condor
or add pre-sale bonus's
earnest canopy
^
hoary condor
sales are sales, whether pre-ordered or not...
mossy badge
The day Battlefield takes out single player to add zombies is the day i stop playing battlefield.
earnest canopy
i didn't say they were. i said blops4 did that
pure veldt
yea i mean they've already had that gun mode in bf4 right where you all start with a pistol
so them adding BR i bet is very minimal and just crap spawned all over
i mean... it's such an easy mode
make a map, spawn random shit all over it, gg.. what else are you expecting from the mode?
hoary condor
plus br is a trending game mode... what game isn't trying to implement it?
earnest canopy
^
battlefield already said they are having BR. i just want to know what it looks like since the game isn't far from release. thats what this whole conversation was about. not pre ordering
hoary condor
oh.. i legit just came back from a meeting and jumped in to this convo π
earnest canopy
it's no problem. the other guy was jumping to pre order when i was curious about gameplay of BR since we have seen single player and multiplayer
hoary condor
true lol
icy sluice
Oh fuck, I already have Battlefield V Preloaded, nice
verbal zephyr
When is bf5 getting released
hoary condor
BR they mentioned how many players/teams go against each other at any one time, the maps will be the same as MP i'm guessing
verbal zephyr
Ooo that's perfect as pc parts are getting ordered on 23rd so
hoary condor
ha nice Toddy
earnest canopy
23 fallout B.E.T.A. starts
hoary condor
yeah
hoary condor
nice man!
tribal ledge
Do you have to open them all one by one???
hoary condor
you get 25 free this weekend
tribal ledge
The fuck
icy sluice
I still don't know what I think about Fallout 76
tribal ledge
I dont give a fuck
tribal ledge
Do you have to open the mone by one???
pure veldt
yes, sad that we're mad about free stuff π
steep radish
whats wrong with free stuff
pure veldt
i feel obligated to open them even though i havent played in a year
so its like, a chore π
steep radish
Imma just uh
pure veldt
bf4 let you open on web, 10x easier
steep radish
Walk out
pure veldt
without all this fancy ass animations to wait on
solid hinge
Idk how many times I have to say it. I'm not arguing about sales, I'm saying that studios are producing shit games because they already have the consumer money for something they haven't released yet
pure veldt
OH
hoary condor
i don't feel battlefield do, they put a lot of time and effort into making a good game... even more so compared to a fps that came out recently
tribal ledge
yah
icy sluice
Heh, I was listening to the dev talks in the background, they were talking about explosion sounds, I switch tabs and fucking jumpscared myself
tribal ledge
But itt's still 1 by 1
hoary condor
lmfao @icy sluice
tribal ledge
I mean I have fucking 60 cratges
hoary condor
alright show off 
pure veldt
it says i have 36 unopened but when i click on it it says i have none
tribal ledge
I dont like loot boxes
solid hinge
How will battlepacks work in battlefield v
wary mason
hey @pure veldt restarting your game should fix that issue
pure veldt
WEW 3 restarts got em all thanks @wary mason π
wary mason
i had to restart once myself when i got the first 25 packs
pure veldt
that was a job
wary mason
didn't need to restart this time around, guess i was lucky
pure veldt
i probably blew up the system due to getting all the premium and old content free scattered across weeks
i didnt like bf1 so i never got anything beyond base game.. took advantage of all these free things tho, and im not even playing lol π¦
i might have to play a couple rounds to sharpen the senses
solid hinge
I played a really fun squad game of bf1 yesterday
With a bunch of randos from the same clan
Game is actually fun with communication
icy sluice
I might have myself a "Road Through Battlefield" before Battlefield V comes out
solid hinge
Yeah I also did some of that
icy sluice
I mean, play most of the previous Battlefield games
icy sluice
I own a majority of the games
solid hinge
Do you own 1942
pure veldt
WHAT?! I completed the BF1 campaign? something must be wrong
i never complete a single story
icy sluice
I actually have the Battlefield 1942 collection which has all the expansion packs (Ahh, remember when that word was used?) and Vietnam
pure veldt
im 37 i have everyone beat its ok
solid hinge
I have started since bf4 but I played some fh2 and it was nice
pure veldt
ive def played every bf game on release and bf1 just didnt do it for me
including both bfronts
EA loves me π
icy sluice
I didn't play BFront 2 on release
icy sluice
"EA Games! You're never getting away from me!"
pure veldt
ye that one was quite solid, i loved 2 though
2005 may date some of you for release day
you'd have to be at least 25 right now to have appreciated BF2
fk..
hoary condor
26.. nearly 27
pure veldt
right on that cusp, did you play BF2 on release?
pure veldt
that came out in 2010..
like yesterday
for this old ass fart π
10 years turns into yesterday when you're old
umbral anvil
pure veldt
i have 20 days vaca i still havent burned this year
hoary condor
true majic
pure veldt
but my old age knows better than to take off for release day
pure veldt
week after release maybe
mossy onyx
Alright
hoary condor
@pure veldt how old are you? (if you don't mind me asking)
pure veldt
37
pure veldt
still shoot ye in the face the same so its ok
hoary condor
only as old as you feel.. which if you are me... 66
hoary condor
i complain of a bad back and make weird noises everytime i move lol
well have to get up from my desk
pure veldt
my wrists are shot, lower back hurts, i got a bum knee playing golf, my left thumb has major joint issues
im almost dead
does anyone use a wrist bump to play?
or put your entire arm on the desk
mouse hand
hoary condor
i have a terrible ankle aswell... broke it in two places, fractured and dislocated it awhile back...
i usually have my controller in my hands on my lap
pure veldt
if i ever had to switch to console x_x
mossy onyx
How do left handed people use a mouse?
pure veldt
π
mossy onyx
Are there left handed mice?
crimson orchid
Whπ
pure veldt
unihand mice
mossy onyx
Oh, there are as well
pure veldt
there are but there's plenty non hand conforming gaming mice also
i never use any buttons on the sides
mossy onyx
How do you never use the buttons on the sides?
pure veldt
i thought all left handed people were considered witches and burned at the stake?
mossy onyx
Probably
mossy onyx
Not for battlefield, I thought we were talking about normal use π
pure veldt
haha well yea i mean.. back for browsing
mossy onyx
Of course
mossy onyx
Fair enough I guess
hoary condor
wrist problems... wonder how a man got that 
mossy onyx
π
hoary condor
playing to many games.. that's what you say to your parents... you are talking to strangers on the internet.. you can be honest here
solid hinge
oh shit
pure veldt
i grew up in the wrong era of texting where we had to click a number 1-3x to get a letter
hoary condor
the good days
pure veldt
but now girls have problems with their wrists due to selfies
hoary condor
so true
mossy onyx
Yes
pure veldt
BC2 was one of the best if not the best in series so your expectations must be shot
i feel like they're going too insane with map complexity
those big stone tank blockades that you can fight between is a bit crazy
hoary condor
i think it will be good π
it's all in keep with the war they are basing it around
hoary condor
it's not
glad wasp
I dont understand what people saw in BF BC2
neither does DICE apparently
its only 32 players, sprint speed reduced, smaller maps. The only thing good about it is introducing rush
icy sluice
bf5 map what?
hoary condor
true they were narrow, but not that bad tbh
still could avoid vehicles (apart from heli)
glad wasp
BC2 was not a bad game, but its not a true BF
Sort of a fast paced BF cod hybrid, and it did that well
hoary condor
i can't say as bc2 was the first one i played
glad wasp
Thats fair, BC2 was the first BF for a lot of people
hoary condor
i didn't mind it.. then i jumped to bf4 and thenbf1
glad wasp
Starting from BC1, and then BF1943, and onwards to BC2, the games were built with consoles in mind first
This is why there was so much hype for BF3, a sort of return to form
hoary condor
true, can understand why
rocky falcon
why did no one complain on bf1 when there were a woman in sp
that killed like 10000k ottomen
north cedar
Why in Tehran mission use iraq flag 
rocky falcon
people complain about everything these days
if there is stalingrad battle ppl say
WHERE IS D DAY
and when we got german w s
that ppl have been asking for
so many times
pure veldt
you cant have it all Charlie Brown
pure veldt
just say "shut up no one cares"
rocky falcon
WHERE IS JAPAN
north cedar
Dont be mad
pure veldt
i believe you, people think im constantly mad but im just vocal π
rocky falcon
lol
pure veldt
what makes me mad is when people think im worked up when im 100% calm
north cedar
Germans not bad
rocky falcon
nah ppl are spamming where is russians!!
north cedar
Its nazi is
rocky falcon
can you still be kratos in bfv XD
icy sluice
I don't know what it is about bald men with beards
north cedar
@rocky falcon its just a game
rocky falcon
lol
no
its more than a game duh...
the its just a game argument
is prob the worst one when u argue about a game
north cedar
Its port of histry
rocky falcon
lol
icy sluice
*part of history :v
north cedar
You cant change histry
hoary condor
Frankenstein was the doctor not the monster
rocky falcon
yessss
north cedar
@rocky falcon I like it
north cedar
What you think hitler should win or not
glad wasp
In the end its a game, who cares
If people want realism so badly, go join a reenactment group
hoary condor
or join the real thing
icy sluice
WWII Airsoft group
north cedar
Hey im stuck
hoary condor
Hello im stuck
glad wasp
I didnt even noticed that
hoary condor
only things with long necks look that far
glad wasp
I got to say, pretty spicy to set the game in Iran in the first place, I work with people from Tehran
hoary condor
i got clients in Iran & Egypt lol
storm gulch
I got clients in Dubai and Versailles
glad wasp
Im not from Iran, lots of Iranian engineers in Canada
hoary condor
i'm england π
well me i'm human.. i didn't mean i am england π
anyways i will be online tomorrow β€ have a good weekend! Remember: 25 free battlepacks for logging into bf1! and double XP on bf1 bf4 and hardline
glad wasp
Austrians are sort of Germans, but we are walking a dangerous line there
glad wasp
Same language, similar culture.
Austria was part of the Austrian empire, being Catholic
north cedar
@hoary condor Im alien 
glad wasp
And most of the german states were part of the holy roman empire, being majority Protestants
the Holy Roman empire was for the longest time ruled by the Austrian emperors
north cedar
Are you Canadian
glad wasp
Napoleon screwed it all up, and between Napoleon and ww2, a strong sense of a unified Germanic state existed between both countries
yes
north cedar
My mother hate canada
glad wasp
Why?
north cedar
She Migration to canada but three years later she is not acssept
barren river
@north cedar why are you mother hate canada ?
north cedar
Not very but she is angry
north cedar
Ok
glad wasp
sry
barren river
in ture
north cedar
Sorry
barren river
north cedar
@pulsar valve hey you play bf3?
barren river
my time is GTM+8 and youοΌ
pulsar valve
I don't
barren river
yes
amber granite
Battlefield 4 = best bf game
icy sluice
The maps really lacked imo
Battlefield 3 and 2 had better maps
I did
It's the pre-load
When it starts installing it will say
Can't tell atm Β―_(γ)_/Β―
solid hinge
I want battlefield v
fathom pebble
think its only origin premiere
rocky falcon
i have that
icy sluice
32.4 GB it looks like
solid hinge
Iβm hoping a good amount of people bought deluxe so I can find people on November 15
rocky falcon
its gonna be more i bet
icy sluice
Possibly
solid hinge
I see so many tweets about how dice believes they are creating the best battlefield yet
And so many comments about it
rocky falcon
this is prob the best bf game
not maybe when it comes to history
or eh idk
ik they made the maps super accurate
and the sounds too
for guns
solid hinge
They are toning down the customization once again so Iβll wait and see how much that is
rocky falcon
i wonder if you can still have one of those arms
robotic arms
or what they are called
solid hinge
They probably and hopefully got rid of that
rough smelt
the damn thing is made out of wood and metal
south lynx
It's a period-correct prosthetic.
rough smelt
nothing robotic in the slightest
south lynx
solid hinge
If it fits the setting thatβs fine kinda like how certain guns werenβt actually used in ww1 but were present in battlefield 1
solid hinge
If I see like a pink zebra skin then that would just be wacky
But I didnβt see any of that so far
rocky falcon
i think one of the admins told me you could have a pink spitfire
which is accurate believe it or not
solid hinge
Again Iβm hopeful dice knows how to make customization appropriate since theyβre toning it down
south lynx
Mountbatten pink, was a real camo color.
Used on ships, LRDG trucks, and some recon aircraft.
rocky falcon
i still want dice to make you only being able to be a woman as like a russian or french
like bf1
nobody had a problem with that
rocky falcon
there are real sexists
which is sad
i'd rather be a feminist than a sexist
i wish bf5 could do the same
more immersive and accurate
solid hinge
If itβs not obvious that some sort of feminist propaganda is forced into battlefield v then Iβm okay with female playable character options and so far thatβs not the case
solid hinge
Itβs really not
rocky falcon
they even confirmed it
gray glade
i dont think he means that you are forced to play as a woman
rough smelt
just because you see others choose what they want, doesn't mean it's being "forced" onto you
solid hinge
Yeah the reason why I donβt care is because I have the option to play as a man
gray glade
the reveal trailer was "out there" on purpose with the customizations
dice confirmed this
rocky falcon
dice said you can be a woman as a nazi or eh they did not really say that
gray glade
they wanted to show all the craziest stuff
rough smelt
that is not forced
rocky falcon
being able to be a woman as russian
rough smelt
you can fucking choose yourself whether you want that or not
rocky falcon
is not forced
solid hinge
Again play as a man then if you care that much
rough smelt
^
rough smelt
christ on a bike you're trying so hard to say you're not one of those whiners.. whilst dishing out their arguments
solid hinge
Dice is giving you the choice to be a man or woman
rocky falcon
im rank lvl 101 in this discord and im active and talk posetive stuff
gray glade
i dont think the point is only in the game itself
we're talking about the trailers and the way the game is marketed
solid hinge
Okay I donβt get how battlefield is only written off just because of the marketing
Like literally thatβs the only thing Iβve read is just bad marketing
gray glade
that i do agree with
rocky falcon
also did any hardcore bf fan ask we want to see women being equal representive?
quick answer: yes me
rough smelt
"you can choose x or y" <-- "omg y is there they're forcing y on me even though I don't have to choose y at all"
gray glade
soldaten, again try to look beyond in-game options
south lynx
Given the substantially nonzero cross-over between the people complaining about women in BFV and the people complaining about not being able to play Nazis, I genuinely don't give a fuck if all the whiners decide to fuck off to some other game.
Correction, I do give a fuck, I will party in their absence.
rocky falcon
do you think im one of those whiners?
lol then you are 100000 million times wrong
i have been shitting on them
gray glade
i dont mind if ppl want to play as women or black wehrmatch soldiers, but i do worry that dice might be targeting a group that isnt interested in playing the game much anyways
rocky falcon
so many times
rough smelt
aside from it being an in game option.. there are a myriad of other things that are more important to this game that could be detrimental.... than being ale to play as a female for the wermacht army
Rental Server PRogram.. gunplay... progression.. cosmetics... dlc schedule
all more important to the game surviving
gray glade
if they are doing this to get more women into the game i don't see it happening
gray glade
and it might alienate those who actually do play it
lyric mirage
I did some research on the flag used in BF5 for Nazi Germany. Turns out it was an actual Wehrmacht flag used mostly for vehicle identification
(airplanes, tanks etc.)
but during battles, the "kriegflag" which had a swastika on it was used more commonly by the infantry forces
south lynx
Yes, but the balkenkreuz is not banned in Germany..
Which is why it's used in videogames.
lyric mirage
The swastika is not banned either
the censorship law was lifted for games this year
south lynx
And BFV has been in development longer than that.
So unless you really expect them to go back and change all their assets because a long-standing law was lifted in the last few months...
rocky falcon
i think not having swastika is a political move lol
lyric mirage
The flag is just a matter of swapping out a few textures. It is not that hard
gray glade
the customizations itself isnt all that insane, i mean, a british soldier could actually have a katana, theoretically, if he was posted in asia for example, and SS did actually have a muslim division, so thats not completely unhistorical
rocky falcon
yea
gray glade
but i would worry about targeting a group for a battlefield game and that group isn't going to play the game much online
lyric mirage
There were actual SS units composed of foreigners so yeah
rough smelt
it's been like this before video games
rough smelt
it's for all types of media that aren't for learning experiences
lyric mirage
well... so far only 1942 and BFV
lyric mirage
1943 had only pacific theater
rocky falcon
you all have to agree
rough smelt
what are you trying to get at
rocky falcon
there is NO reason to make a ww2 game with nazis
lyric mirage
"every WW2 game"
Dude... Medal of Honor
rocky falcon
and not having swastikas
rough smelt
why do you have this hard on for the hakenkreuz to be used
lyric mirage
It is not. It is about the immersion
solid hinge
@rocky falcon do you have the actual intention of playing battlefield v
south lynx
Immersion. In your arcade shooter.
lyric mirage
Immersion =/= realism
south lynx
What a fuckin' laugh.
rocky falcon
there you go if you ask urself why dont this ww2 game have swastikas heres the answer
gray glade
@rocky falcon ironic that the "if you dont like it dont buy it" quote had the opposite effect
lyric mirage
You should know the difference
gray glade
people didn't like it and they didn't preorder
lyric mirage
The difference is that immersion is just the feeling like you were actually in the game world while realism is well... realism
south lynx
You're literally arguing that one symbol over another ruins your immersion, despite both being historically used.
rocky falcon
me?
south lynx
In a game where weapons are going to be used in ahistorical purposes, by forces that didn't use them, in battles that they weren't even invented for.
lyric mirage
Nope, orchi
rocky falcon
ah ok
worn cave
mega triggered
south lynx
It's a fucking laugh, you just want to get your nazi wank on.
lyric mirage
You are completely missing the point, blending the terms historical accuracy and immersion together
and here we go again... people calling others neonazis just because they want actual WW2 symbols
gray glade
that whole "armies didn't used eachother's weapons" is factually wrong btw
south lynx
The balkenkreuz is an actual WWII symbol.
You literally said you had to fucking look it up.
gray glade
germans did use russian tanks and weapons and vice versa
worn cave
β ** C H I L L** β
south lynx
@gray glade No, I'm referring to things like using the FG42 in an engagement that takes place in 1940.
worn cave
deep breaths y'all
lyric mirage
before you go on trying to question my motives
south lynx
Or using the Panzerfaust as an anti-fortification weapon.
worn cave
π
south lynx
The people who make the 'muh history' argument always ignore that most of BF involves ahistorical use of equipment.
lyric mirage
The iron cross is OK. It is period accurate. Swastikas would be more believable but you can make a game without them. It might improve immersion but that is all
worn cave
My asian nazi woman is going to katana y'allshistorical accuracy into oblivion
rocky falcon
i want to see
lyric mirage
And stop blending the line between historical accuracy and immersion for christ's sake!
south lynx
And the 'muh immersion' argument is literally just the same argument but with nebulous handwaving where they cherry pick what counts and what doesn't.
rocky falcon
if anyone has a logical argument about not having swastikas in bfv/ww2 games
lyric mirage
Immersion =/= historical accuracy
rocky falcon
anyone?
lyric mirage
Well... political correctness
rocky falcon
yee
worn cave
RTX only reflects specular highlights and I don't feel immersed enough yet π
south lynx
I love how you're repeating the same thing and not defining immersion. Real easy to move the goalposts there.
gray glade
yeah thats it basically, but i dunno, i can live without the hakenkreutz*
lyric mirage
and I love how you interrupt people before they can finish saying what they want to say
south lynx
Type faster.
oak fulcrum
jesus christ
south lynx
I'm being slow as fuck here, it's almost freezing, the furnace is out, and I can't feel my fingers, so you've got no excuse.
worn cave
^cancer
south lynx
But okay, go ahead, let's hear your brilliant speech on how immersion isn't just an excuse to cherry pick which bits of historical inaccuracy you want to whine about.
worn cave
tbh Iron Cross is enough for me, I don't care about other symbols, I just need that Axis identification
I've neevr cared before and I dont care now
lyric mirage
What I wanted to say is that swastikas could work in game but iron cross is okay. They would be good for immersion but iron cross is as good as that other one. I brought up immersion only because one person started taking it to political correctness and then you started blending the line, not knowing the damn difference between immersion and historical accuracy
oak fulcrum
well theres a difference between annoying whining about minor inconveniences and noticing easy changes to the game that will turn it in favor of a ww2 theme
lyric mirage
You can have a historically accurate game without a single swastika
south lynx
And you're still not defining immersion.
lyric mirage
I know... I overexaggerated it a bit and I am sorry
south lynx
If you're so clear on its meaning, let's hear what it is.
lyric mirage
Immersion is the feeling that you are a part of the game world, that feel like you are the character you are playing as. That is immersion
worn cave
Immersion is definitely a more inclusive descriptor that blankets historical accuracy and setting/context IMO.
lyric mirage
historical accuracy is simply tending to historical facts
south lynx
And so the fact that there's gonna be a fucking balkenkreuz is going to break your immersion? Give me a fucking break.
worn cave
if you're into history
lyric mirage
yeah, but your regular player won't notice
south lynx
If you're into history you should fucking complain about the Valentine AA first and foremost.
south lynx
But no, that one gets a pass because you're a fucking hypocrite.
lyric mirage
@south lynx I said it is about immersion, not that "It will break immersion".
south lynx
If it's "about immersion" and not "breaking immersion" What exactly is your fucking point?
worn cave
That's not how arguments work
gray glade
i wonder if we'll be able to customize moustaches
i wanna look like tom selleck
π
worn cave
lol
lyric mirage
I already explained it. Scroll up @south lynx
south lynx
Muttonchops or GTFO.
lyric mirage
and now please, just leave it fucking be
south lynx
You explained nothing.
lyric mirage
Because you did not scroll up high enough
south lynx
You used vague platitudes to claim that immersion is not historical accuracy, and that's it. You've literally just repeated that one statement over and over.
lyric mirage
or you ignored my points just because you can carry on with your argument and insults
south lynx
Like hell it is.
gray glade
i said pretty π
lyric mirage
Should I really have to repeat my point again? Or will you just disregard it and keep overanalysing me and insulting me?
south lynx
You haven't made your point yet, so you don't need to repeat it, you need to actually make it.
lyric mirage
I did but you ignored it
south lynx
Man, I'm gonna regret this, fine. What is your goddamned point?
lyric mirage
I said that while Swastika would be good for immersion, iron cross would be as good as swastika since both are period accurate
south lynx
So why even bring up the entire fucking swastika/balkenkreuz use then?
If your point is "Eh, either one is fine"
rocky falcon
holy drama
lyric mirage
I started talking and you turned it into a goddamn argument
trail flame
π€
desert dune
Let's stop right here
lyric mirage
Could we just stop it?
trail flame
Yes, you should
πΏ
lyric mirage
I already did, but that prick just had to continue
and I made the mistake
of continuing with him
...
trail flame
And now we're saying to stop, it's clogging up the chat with slapfighting 
lyric mirage
you gotta be kidding me...
trail flame
Applies to both of you, not just you
gray glade
sit on my face and tell me that you love meeeeeeee
rocky falcon
lol with me saying i want you only being able to be a woman as russian or french etc started this
gray glade
lol
lyric mirage
That is actually a good point, t43r
rocky falcon
ikr lol
lyric mirage
Women were fighting in WW2 in british and US army, but only as AA gunners
and nurses
and maybe pilots
but that is all
never on frontlines
lyric mirage
I wish people sometimes allowed me to say my shit before starting dramas and arguments
but I also made the mistake of joining the argument
so yeah
Anybody else here saw the gameplay from the war stories?
Seems kinda uninteresting to me
rocky falcon
we will have to wait and see
lyric mirage
Jackfrags already reviewed the current state of the war stories
gray glade
i wasnt a big fan of the bf1 singleplayer either tbh, but it did have a really interesting intro imo
lyric mirage
he disliked the gameplay a lot
dense bone
im buying bf for mp, always have
lyric mirage
same
south lynx
I just hope they fix the air game.
Armor and infantry were fine in the beta, air was a clusterfuck.
rocky falcon
ikr
lyric mirage
Ophi
sorry for all of this
I did not make myself clear and I kinda acted stupidly
south lynx
Apology accepted.
Admittedly, I'm on edge about pretty much anyone trying to bring up fascist imagery in the game because everything to do with it has been fucking swarmed with the worst sort of revisionism, clean wehrmacht bullshit, etc.
I've got a really short fuse for people wanting Nazi imagery in games, because nine times out of ten, they just want to wank over how awesome they think the Nazis were, even if they couch it in 'just' liking their military. It inevitably becomes the usual History Channel-driven wankfest about 'superior German technology' etc. and I've had that argument hundreds, if not thousands of times in my life already.
So yeah, that's pretty much why I bit your head off.
dense bone
i started d2 like 3 weeks ago
dense bone
idk i stopped reading
minor gale
daring dome
sullen mist
Anime gay
rough smelt
devout wolf
THEY HAVE SKKIING IN BFV WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
minor gale
doubt but would be fun 
sullen mist
its possible it could work if Fjell and Artic Fjord were combined so that the ski slope can be used
either that or Firestorm could have skis, imagine that
vague flame
Skiing with Suomi-KP π©
zealous swan
lyric mirage
@south lynx Ikr. Wehraboos and Neonazis are just a huge problem imo. I am sorry if I thought I was one. I was just thinking about immersion and maybe even historical accuracy a bit. But yeah... I did some research and the iron cross used right now is great aswell and period accurate.
glad wasp
Something something Russian winter
lyric mirage
Russian winter, the meme that is being repeated all over again
steep radish
Fellers Im ba-
lyric mirage
germans did not lose just because of the winter
steep radish
Was there a fight here
lyric mirage
there were also several other factors:
glad wasp
I wouldnt mind if war stories was to tackle some of the more touchy subjects, like POW treatment and concentration camps
steep radish
Other factions fucking up their jobs
glad wasp
Sort of like the ending of band of brothers
lyric mirage
One of the most important reasons was that Russians used partisan style of warfare imo
steep radish
You first take place in some major battles and shit, and then you get to whats going on in the smaller surface of things
gray glade
i'd say the biggest contributor of germany losing was lack of oil
lyric mirage
this way, they also defeated Napoleon during the napoleonic wars
the infamous "scorched earth tactics"
glad wasp
Biggest factor was Hitler was a terrible military leader
steep radish
Yeye
lyric mirage
yeah
steep radish
Making bullshit calls
steep radish
All over the place
Yβknow me at first thought it couldnt be that bad
But no it was until I saw the documentary based on WW/
*WW2
It showed how stupid he was
glad wasp
Hitler planned to fight france for another ww1 style slog, when it didnt happen, he had no idea what to do next
viral brook
steep radish
Yeye
lyric mirage
Blitzkrieg had one major problem and that was... supplies
gray glade
ironic that the german generals were the one to blame for the strategic mistakes against russia
not hitler
lyric mirage
in order for blitzkrieg to work, you would need to move supplies and deliver them as fast as the soldiers advance, which was unachievable
steep radish
Tbh I feel as if two two things costed germany the war
Japan brining Murica in the fight
glad wasp
Germany never had a chance in ww2\
steep radish
And Hitler attacking Russia
gray glade
japan didnt have much of a choice
glad wasp
they had a much better chance of winning in ww1
steep radish
Want to hear a better one?
gray glade
usa were embargoing japan, so japan had to either just stop fighting the war, or attack usa
steep radish
So a couple thousand Germans walk into Russia
lyric mirage
good one
gray glade
i think it was a matter of time before soviet union attacked germany though
glad wasp
Japan had a choice, fight the russians or the americans, there was this massive inter service rivalry, after the Kuantong army got wrecked by the soviets, the Navy came out ahead, and thus they went for the americans
steep radish
Bring a beast in the fucking war weβll be fine lmao
gray glade
japan was having a massive lack of oil
north cedar
Hey
lyric mirage
Erika in distance
gray glade
thanks to usa
steep radish
I mean
glad wasp
there was oil in Russia too
gray glade
yeah, but japan didnt have much luck against russia when they did fight
steep radish
why they didnt bother asking
glad wasp
exactly
north cedar
No one know how use dns?
steep radish
How tf did they invade china then
glad wasp
So the navy was able to steer national policy
steep radish
@north cedar wdym
north cedar
What
glad wasp
China was a disjointed mess in the 1930s, the Japanese exploited that
gray glade
hitler's choice of attacking russia was not as stupid as we think nowadays tbh
north cedar
What are you talking about?
gray glade
i mean, judging by the facts ppl had at the time, alot of really smart ppl, in usa and france agreed that soviet union was weak
severe nimbus
are we gonna get the eastern or pacific front in vanilla?
glad wasp
As I said before, loosing the battle of Britain, the war was lost by 1940
gray glade
russia did very poorly against finland, and in ww1
glad wasp
Germany never had a chance
glad wasp
Only hitler didnt know
lyric mirage
Germany had big problems with managing resources
glad wasp
cause as we said, he stupid....
gray glade
he wasn't stupid lol