#battlefield-legacy-titles

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dense bone
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they wouldnt do that secretly

rocky falcon
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why

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ea is too nice

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to say like

dense bone
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it would be best for publicity if you fired someone for a controversial comment

rocky falcon
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fuck you you're fired

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lol

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yah

solid hinge
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I don’t think investors would be happy when they found out about the comments he made about battlefield v controversy

rocky falcon
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then ea would gain more fan power or what u call it

solid hinge
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They gotta pull something off now especially since cod is booming in sales

rocky falcon
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what if firestorm blows up

dense bone
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good or bad blow up?

solid hinge
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$500 million dollars made on cod bo4

rocky falcon
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good

dense bone
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i hope so

rocky falcon
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people will prob be tired in 2019 of blackout

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and if cod can make a good br

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imagine what bf can do

chrome stirrup
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BF FOR LIFE

rocky falcon
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also will the live service affect firestorm

solid hinge
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It’s already disappointing that it’s not as many players and you have to play in a squad

rocky falcon
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yes sad

solid hinge
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I don’t know about firestorm yet

rocky falcon
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only squads

chrome stirrup
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if firestorm the name of battle royals?

rocky falcon
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we need a new hashtag to add solo

chrome stirrup
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royale

rocky falcon
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lol

chrome stirrup
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?

dense bone
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im excited for firestorm, ever since the start of me playing pubg i wanted dice to to a br

rocky falcon
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nah jk¨

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i hope we get a br trailer soon

dense bone
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@chrome stirrup yes it is

rocky falcon
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actually not

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it should come in december

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cuz more hype

dense bone
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stop typing so much damnit, youre not gonna pass me

rocky falcon
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and ppl will prob have forgotten the whawman shit

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whaman

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and undeducated

solid hinge
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I think they should’ve explained the women in battlefield v better

rocky falcon
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yes

pure veldt
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hate comes from lack of knowledge

solid hinge
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Like something like there’s free dlc and we need to add these cosmetics for development of future dlc or just say it’s an alternative universe of ww2

rocky falcon
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if bfv explained the forced diversity it would be better

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otherwise its just stupid

pure veldt
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people dont like change shoved in their faces, it's just something the world has to deal with

dense bone
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they just had to say this is the game we wanted to make

chrome stirrup
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Is bf 5 gonna have any dlc?

dense bone
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which they shouldnt have to

rocky falcon
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patrick söderlund himself said this will be a serious ww2 game

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and on the right side of history

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well not

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but

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they could have explained

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why they took this direction

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with women

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but no

solid hinge
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I think the part that says most immersive battlefield game got taken out of context and historically accurate

rocky falcon
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they said fuck you to the fans

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when they could have explained

solid hinge
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Immersion can be many things

rocky falcon
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yes ik

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bf3 was immersive af

solid hinge
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No I don’t think they told fans to F off but he took it to a whole new level when he said people were uneducated

rocky falcon
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the sp at least

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idk if bfvs will be

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i hope so

solid hinge
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So far there’s nothing that’s inaccurate about it like they are real stories of ww2 that don’t get told often

dense bone
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he didnt generalize that people are uneducated, the specific people saying certain things are uneducated

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that should be clarified

rocky falcon
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lol

rough smelt
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TSM_Pokimane69Today at 2:27 PM
Is bf 5 gonna have any dlc?```
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yes

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see: Tides of War

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or.. google is a thing

pure veldt
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lets just call it what it is and say delayed post release content DPRC

solid hinge
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I saw X Factor ripping in to battlefield v on Facebook live stream and twitter like he really does not like it and he really doesn’t like EA

pure veldt
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WHO DOES

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oops

dense bone
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i thought you were talking about the show x factor

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who is x factor?

rough smelt
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Battlefield Youtuber

solid hinge
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No it’s the YouTuber in battlefield squad up videos

dense bone
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what a try hard name

rough smelt
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kinda fell off the map a tad because of BF1

pure veldt
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quitter

rough smelt
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I mean, what do you expect him to do with a shit game, keep playing it?

pure veldt
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yes, like my job

dense bone
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ba dum tss

solid hinge
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Matimio left battlefield one for siege

rough smelt
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well, it isn't his job, youtube is a side thing for him

pure veldt
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if he wants respect for a V review he needs at least 1000 hours in 1

solid hinge
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Matimio is really enjoying battlefield v though whenever I watch his live streams for it

rough smelt
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why would he need to garner respect for a BFV review with 1000 hours playtime

unborn blaze
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^

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That's an insane amount of time

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One sec

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That's 41 days of playtime

dense bone
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easy

unborn blaze
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Well, 41.6666667 days

dense bone
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o

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thats too much

rough smelt
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aside from the fact he's been playing battlefield games since.. BF2

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him skipping one shit game doesn't drop his understanding of the franchise

dense bone
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(i took majicpandas 1k hour comment as sarcasm)

pure veldt
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BF2! damn kids

solid hinge
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Matimio skipped battlefield 1 as well

unborn blaze
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I don't think BF1 is shit, but ok

pure veldt
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anyone see this single player footage ?

dense bone
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bf1 worst of the ones i have played (bf3,4,1,v)

pure veldt
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i cant think of a worse one and im old so ive played them all

unborn blaze
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I played BFH, so

solid hinge
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I think battlefield 1 is one of the weaker battlefield games

pure veldt
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ok i did skip H 😄

unborn blaze
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BF1 is my favourite BF game

pure veldt
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looked like COD which i want no part of

solid hinge
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I didn’t like random bullet deviation

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I also hated the spamier gameplay

dense bone
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i mean, but thats realistic

solid hinge
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Vehicles were insanely strong like tanks and planes

dense bone
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fuck bf1 vehicles

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pieces of shit

pure veldt
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i hate planes

rough smelt
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realistic != good gameplay design

pure veldt
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they are a plague in Battlefront 2 as well

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for some reason all BF/BFront games there's a plane that's OP they never fix

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A-Wings

dense bone
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no it does not, im jabbing at the people that say they want realistic bf, but they really dont

rough smelt
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ah

solid hinge
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Realistic bullet deviation didn’t lead to good game design

unborn blaze
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BF1 vehicles?

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I mean, they go faster than they should have, really

dense bone
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im not saying luenzo is one of those people

rough smelt
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I swear some ppl want BF to be like squad with the way they critique things and the featues they want to have

solid hinge
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I prefer games where I can master my weapon by learning the patterns

unborn blaze
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I mean

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I've read random bullet deviation is BS

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And that it isn't actually a thing

dense bone
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ehh patterns are a bit much, like cs

rough smelt
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RBD is a thing

solid hinge
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Well at least my bullets should go where I shoot

rough smelt
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try tap firing the MG15

dense bone
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they should just have a general feel

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slight rng

rough smelt
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4 bullets in and your bullets start going into the 5th dimenstion, even when it's tap fire

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not full auto

dense bone
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or rbd

solid hinge
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The last thing I didn’t like about battlefield 1 was lack of content and slow dlc release schedule

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The variant system I didn’t like

rough smelt
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the DLC schedule was a complete shit show

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still don't understand how they managed to fuck that up

solid hinge
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Battlefield 1 really was targeted to casual players

rough smelt
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BF4 was a damn mess at launch, and still did DLC on time

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hell, we had more DLC in given time spans

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and that game was still broken when it happened

pure veldt
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same with BFront.. after BF4 the franchise went soft

unborn blaze
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BF4 was really stupid

pure veldt
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and they are still soft catering to whiney babies saying not starting with a specialization is "unfair"

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cry me a fkin river

unborn blaze
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Like, it isn't fun half the time

pure veldt
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T.. T... tommy has +10% ammo pouches and i start with nn.. nn.. nothing, CRY

solid hinge
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Battlefield 4 is good but not the best

dense bone
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technically fair is having everything unlocked for everyone from the get go

pure veldt
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ok let's just do that

rough smelt
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bb-but progression

dense bone
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but thats from a competitive standpoint

pure veldt
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zero unlocks, crybabies win!

dense bone
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which this game isnt

pure veldt
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sorry, we live in a world where competition is frowned upon

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everyone wins from now on also, if you kill someone you insta die

dense bone
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competition is fair though

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but bf isnt a competitive game

solid hinge
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Battlefield isn’t competitive at all

dense bone
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csgo doesnt start you with an awp vs the p90 because you played more hours

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you earn everything you get in csgo

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thats fair

solid hinge
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It has a milsim look to it but uses twitch and arcade elements for a FPS game

pure veldt
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i mean.. isnt the advantage system being built into the game with the Attrition system?

dense bone
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im not gonn argue balancing and how dice is doing it

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just that dices system isnt "fair"

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it just isnt

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do i care? no

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ill fuck 99% of the players up no matter the gun i have

pure veldt
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making something fair is a waste of time, rock paper scissors

dense bone
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but for arguments sake, bf isnt fair, it isnt competitive

pure veldt
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my LMG TTK is worse than Assault Rifle Y

unborn blaze
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Because LMGs might have smaller rounds?

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(Could be wrong)

pure veldt
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no thats not fair

dense bone
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it did suck that when i started bf1 i had to grind to get an automatic weapon for medic, thats a scenario where its not fair or competitive, but thats just not what bf is

pure veldt
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i love that about BF4

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starting out with iron sights and having to work for it

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new weap = christmas

dense bone
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because lmg offer more than ttk compared to assault

pure veldt
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YAY i "get" to start all over at a disadvantage and feel like i EARNED something

mossy badge
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LMG's are usually much larger caliber rounds, but often fire somewhat slower ?

unborn blaze
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Oh, ok

pure veldt
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they are for suppression

unborn blaze
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That makes sense

pure veldt
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which BFV adds more advantages for correct?

unborn blaze
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Yeah, I think

pure veldt
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something.. was said.. at some point regarding something about suppression 😄

dense bone
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i main support/medic and play it as an assault that can support

unborn blaze
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I play Assault, but usually end up picking up a medic or support

dense bone
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my kdr would be higher if i played assault

unborn blaze
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I do main assault tho

dense bone
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i dont

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i think i only play it to unlock stuff to take care of vehicles

unborn blaze
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I enjoy rushing headfirst into enemy positions

dense bone
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which i think most/all things for that was already unlocked in bf1

pure veldt
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PTFO!

unborn blaze
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I said enemy positions!

pure veldt
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Some day they will hide KD and only have score

unborn blaze
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That's usually an objective

dense bone
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nooo

unborn blaze
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God I hope not

pure veldt
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Or just show kills, did BF1 do that?

dense bone
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my kdr and spm are both good

unborn blaze
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BF1 showed Kills, deaths, and score

dense bone
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this servers stat tracker shows spm, kdr, score total, and win %

unborn blaze
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Yeah

dense bone
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spm imo is most important

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next to win %

unborn blaze
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I usually clear the way for my teammates to move up

pure veldt
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I saw in blops4 discord it pulls your kdr and adds a rank so you can find similar people.. How fucking elitist and horrific is that

dense bone
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its awesome

unborn blaze
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That makes sense

pure veldt
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Is there no objective mode?

dense bone
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win?

unborn blaze
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Yeah, there is

pure veldt
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Just TDM?

unborn blaze
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But when has CoD been about objectives

dense bone
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id imagine most people are playing blackout

unborn blaze
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^

dense bone
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or tdm

unborn blaze
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Yeah

dense bone
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which, kdr is important

unborn blaze
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Those are kind of the modes CoD is known for

dense bone
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as someone who usually has a 2.0kdr+ i would like that feature

pure veldt
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Yea that's why I'll never buy that game, having a family means no games where a death is so important

unborn blaze
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BF is known for Operations, and Conquest

pure veldt
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Or I can't Ninja afk at any time

dense bone
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not that i wont play with someone who has a negative kd, its just nice to match up with other similar skilled players as well

south lynx
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@dense bone Isn't the Cei Rigotti select fire?

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Regarding having to grind to an automatic weapon for medic.

dense bone
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if it is, i wish i had known about that

unborn blaze
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The Cel Rigotti is auto

dense bone
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i guess i should clarify

unborn blaze
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Or the sweeper rifle

dense bone
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i wanted a good automatic weapon, and felt federov was the only one

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wish i had known about those though

unborn blaze
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I think Cel Rigotti is pretty good

dense bone
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i really dont know guns by names

pure veldt
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Lol I don't word associate well either

unborn blaze
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But why tho

dense bone
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why what?

unborn blaze
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Knowing the name of a weapon is kinda critical

dense bone
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why would that be the case?

pure veldt
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To what...

dense bone
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i know.. maybe 5 names of guns in bf1, and i am definitely a top player

pure veldt
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What you shooting with? I dunno just the 3rd one down the list that I have 3 service stars with 😁

unborn blaze
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I use that knowledge often

dense bone
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right? the one that is full auto, has 26 bullets

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shoots like this, i get kills

pure veldt
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Kills anyone all the same? Lol

unborn blaze
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Like when dealing with an LMG

dense bone
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thats all i know

mossy badge
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Federov thingy ?

dense bone
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lol

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basically

unborn blaze
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Because if I can tell the name of the gun with just the sound

pure veldt
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Associating a name with it isn't useful if you know "what" it is

dense bone
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idk sounds either

pure veldt
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We all have different brains ;)

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Lol.. Wtf

dense bone
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i know what a shot sounds like, and im going to kill whoever shot that

unborn blaze
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Well, if I know the name

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I know the recoil

gray glade
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i have the same brain

unborn blaze
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The mag size

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And the firerate

dense bone
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you konw what i know? im gonna kill 90% of the people i run across no matter what im using vs what they are using, those are good odds and im taking them

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thats literally my gameplay

pure veldt
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Sounds solid to me

south lynx
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@unborn blaze None of that really needs the name to be known though.

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You just need to have some mental method of associating all that data.

dense bone
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shot=person over there, lets try to kill them

pure veldt
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I know more off the image

south lynx
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For some people they'll have a mental image of the gun, or associate it with sound instead.

dense bone
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i dont get why there is more to that

south lynx
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Sort of like how some people are landmark navigators and other are street navigators.

dense bone
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@unborn blaze i really hope youre at least a top 5% player to know that information, otherwise theres other stuff you should work on

unborn blaze
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I dunno if I am

south lynx
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Well, as an example of how sound can give you more info, if you hear a double blast of 1900 fire, you know immediately that the shooter is either in reload or has a sidearm out.

dense bone
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see idc about that, im going in at any time

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game knowledge, i really know shit about bf1

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i found out i could spot people last week

pure veldt
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lol that sounds like some real world shit

south lynx
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Yeah, that's the difference. I grew up on arena shooters, and stuff like Quake, being able to bait out and time a railgun shot can matter.

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So you start to integrate that into gameplay.

dense bone
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oh in a competitive scene yea im learning shit like that

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i have 700 hours into pubg, i know the sound of a few guns

pure veldt
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i mean how often you just exchange gunfire with someone with no one else around

south lynx
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I was never good enough to be competitive. Never had the drive to sit down and spend 4-8 hours a day in straight up tourney conditions practicing.

unborn blaze
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You'd be surprised

pure veldt
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i dont because i only play Rush

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in conquest i guess you'd have more 1on1 situations

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i hate large maps

unborn blaze
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This is making more sense

south lynx
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CQ or ops you get plenty of chances at 1v1 engagements.

unborn blaze
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I love the large maps

pure veldt
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yes, i can see how knowledge of your actual opponent would matter in slow game modes

dense bone
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i play conquest almost exclusives, so it still stands that idk sounds or names of guns

pure veldt
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which is never for me ;D

south lynx
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Rush still gives some options for slower play.

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Honestly it sounds like you just favor high speed play.

pure veldt
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there's most likely 2-3 allies and opponents in your vacinity

unborn blaze
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I also don't understand why people were complaining about the vehicles

dense bone
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aim and positioning is 90% of being good at a game

south lynx
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In which, BFV or BF1?

unborn blaze
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They had to expand realism for the MKV

south lynx
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BF1 vehicles are a pain in the rear when driven by a smart player, too sustainable.

cerulean knot
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I guess these thing will happen: people hate the game but will still buy it

pure veldt
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yea, knowing player habits from both sides of the map and where people generally go

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what they are armed with is whatever

dense bone
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if youre a good fps player, the main thing you need to learn is where the other good fps players are and their habits

south lynx
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Nah.

unborn blaze
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seriously, why don't people like the BF1 vehicles?

south lynx
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Main thing you need to learn is the maps.

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Everything else flows from the map design.

dense bone
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maybe in quake

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idk the maps for poo in bf1

pure veldt
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yeh me either

south lynx
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Lynx, because they're super, super sustainable and obnoxious to engage?

pure veldt
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just where people will be

rough smelt
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@unborn blaze tbh, I'd say slow and clunky, even though that is correct

pure veldt
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which.. is kind of knowing the map, i guess

unborn blaze
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As a vehicle driver

rough smelt
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tanking in BF1 was not fun

dense bone
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game knowledge, i dont know shit about bf1, like REALLY bad, and yet i am top .1% in spm, and have a +2 kdr

rough smelt
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I still hate how they brought back this self repair mechanic

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takes away from the whole tank driver and their repair man/gunner aspect from previous games

dense bone
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roughly 60% win

south lynx
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Yeah, self-rep and auto-rep were both bad ideas in the various iterations.

unborn blaze
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They're vulnerable to 1 or more assaults

south lynx
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It takes a hell of a lucky assault to kill a tank.

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You need all your AT nades plus either dynamite or multiple rocket gun hits, all without being instantly erased by your target, or having them flee.

cerulean knot
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Destroying tank in BF takes real skills

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It’s hard

unborn blaze
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Well, the tanks can be disabled

south lynx
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Not easily.

unborn blaze
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You can hit the tracks, and disable them

dense bone
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vehicles are like a mini game within winning the game

south lynx
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Getting the chance to go for a clean track shot is rare.

dense bone
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and i think thats bs

south lynx
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And unreliable.

cerulean knot
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Skills game

unborn blaze
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I mean, realistically, the MKV should be slower

solid hinge
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Hello, i am for Spain, playing Battlefield 4 right now you could join

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BF4 Squad 1

south lynx
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Mk V should definitely be slower.

unborn blaze
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It was about 6km/h

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And it goes like 15-20

south lynx
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Point is though, BF1 vehicles don't feel rewarding to fight against. They slough off damage too easily, while the AT weapons available have a risk/reward that's out of balance.

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Having to bipod the rocket gun makes it tremendously more difficult to employ in shoot and scoot, yet it must be used in a protracted shoot-and-scoot engagement to be effective, because of how poor the per-shot damage is.

pure veldt
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i got a fat ass 521spm top 89% BOOYA

south lynx
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The AT nades are ironically actually safer to use.

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Because you can pitch them over cover.

dense bone
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3.4k spm xD

pure veldt
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ever since i had a kid 5 years ago pretty much all my stats were cut by 90%

dense bone
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thats it, im never having kids

south lynx
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Dynamite doesn't stick, so it's either something you need to employ against an unaware and static tank, or manage to survive running into the path of a tank to plant, or commit suicide to detonate.

pure veldt
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im a good kid deterrent lol

dense bone
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you mentioned gaming skills and kids messing with that, im out

pure veldt
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he just shoved our yorkie off the couch and hurt its leg

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they're amazing

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kids ❤

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well a wife does also..

dense bone
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fuuu

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i have a fiance

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so far so good

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but once wife title hits im screwed?

pure veldt
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they dont bitch til you get married and are locked down

south lynx
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AT mines are another suicide weapon if employed as an active attack, though they work for cutting off areas if you can find a good place to put them so they don't get popped by infantry or simply driven around.

pure veldt
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nah, women are smart.. they lie in wait

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once you tie the knot then they knw they can start adjusting you to fit their life better

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just put your foot down early, you'll be alright 😉

dense bone
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the horror

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weve been together for 8 years

pure veldt
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after 10 years i finally learned being nice is futile

dense bone
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2 more years to go

south lynx
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At least BFV tanks are going to require a repair depot or support to actually fix them up fully, though it'd be a lot better if they'd done the two stage HP thing with support repair vs depot repair, rather than self repair vs support/depot repair limits.

pure veldt
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dont spare feelings or defend yourself, just blow it right back up they arse! A+ advice 😄

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mine doesnt have hobbies or any friends here so thats prob the biggest kicker

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my bf4 stats sucked also

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but i had fun and i killed people quite skillfully when i did get a moment to myself.. just.. 80% of it was distracted and grinded just to move the XP bar

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looks like my BF3 stats were much better =/

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October 2011.. that makes sense

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Kid was born 2013

dense bone
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lol

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tracking life events with stats

solid hinge
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White girls really out here getting wasted after a mikes hard and a half

pure veldt
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im sure she's sober she just wants to be a slut but wrong chan 😄

solid hinge
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So in bf5 how does plane repair work? Is a damaged plane fucked?

dense bone
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i get tipsy off like 3 beers

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i dont get why people give me shit for it, im efficient

pure veldt
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oh right, having kids also kills that

dense bone
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thats fine, im not big on drinking

pure veldt
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you cant get drunk no matter how much you drink if your kid is terrorizing you and your dogs

dense bone
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family of belligerent drunks, im not gonna do that

mossy badge
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Drinking is overrated from the point of view from a 19 year old.

rough smelt
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@solid hinge you can self repair up until a certain point, if you take damage in the middle of the repair it stops

pure veldt
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i mean you cant even have a single beer to take the edge off

rough smelt
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basically similar to ground vehicles

pure veldt
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it becomes ineffective

icy sluice
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Also 19, I have decided what my first alcoholic drink will be

mossy badge
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My first alcoholic drink was a champagne bottle when i was 3.

dense bone
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i had random beer while camping because i thought it was my cup of coca cola

mossy badge
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The one thing i've found that i like so far is...
Peppermint liquor mixed with sprite.

solid hinge
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Ah, so its like bf1

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But with a limit

pure veldt
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my spm is prob crap in bf1 looks like i only played with smle infantry

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and good ole model 10a hunter

solid hinge
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Smle infantry is my weapon of choice

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Hellreigel for when the shit hits the fan

pure veldt
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never unlocked that

icy sluice
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Hellreigel is ez

pure veldt
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wanted to, hated game too much ;P

solid hinge
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And i use hatchet for cutting wire are parts of buildings out of the way

icy sluice
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Also, I love clearing an objective completely but not taking it over because none of my teammates ever got in

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Too busy sniping and putting up tripwire

solid hinge
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I use melee weapons as tools more than i fight with them. Hatchet is useful for knocking out a window or a hole in a door to shoot from

icy sluice
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FINALLY someone else who does that!

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You can also get rid of stationary weapons with weapons that have "damage light vehicle"

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That light tank isn't correct for the image there, it can damage motorcycles yes but not a fucking light tank

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But damage light vehicle can take down AA guns iirc

hollow mulch
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Does anybody here play BF4?

mossy badge
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Yes

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A lot of the people here have BF4

hollow mulch
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Am I the only one here who thinks that the F-35 and the SU-50 handle differently?

mossy badge
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Can't say, i'm more a tanker than a pilot.

hollow mulch
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I like to fly quite a lot in bf4, ace pilot, but for some reason people seem to think the two handle the same

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But I can honestly say that no, they don’t

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F-35 actually has better handling

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For beginner pilots at least

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One can also master SU as well as F-35 but it has a more subtle way of achieving that perfect turn speed

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At least on console the difference is there

solid hinge
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I tested the melee weapons on lights in campaign. Couldnt manage in mp. Its fucking useless.

hollow mulch
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BFV?

icy sluice
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You can tell I am a tanker

hollow mulch
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Lol

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Tanking on bf4 is pretty fun too

icy sluice
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Try taking down AA guns

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I mostly use the Renault FT Light Tank

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It's fucking amazing

hollow mulch
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When you manage to sneak up right behind the enemy tank and their back completely open to you

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two shots ded not big sooprise

solid hinge
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I do too. Landship is great if you gotta hit an objective hard. But people wont stay in it

icy sluice
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I always find it funny when an assault runs up behind me and I see him reverse reverse!

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one hop this time

hollow mulch
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BF1 tanks are well, literally tanks

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Is so different from bf4, bf4 tanks are like glass cannons

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Gotta treat them like bigger infantry

solid hinge
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Once on sinai i was driving a landship, alone, across the desert to my squad so we could push to the next objective, some ottoman trolls jumped on and rode my tank halfway there before i managed to kill them.

hollow mulch
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Shoot and scoot in bf4, BF1 just slowly roll about and annihilate anything in your path lol

icy sluice
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Someone tried getting on top of the turret on my Renault, but it's a 360 degree turret so

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The most brutal death anyone could image... happened to him

hollow mulch
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Best thing to do against a sitting tank, run up place some anti tank mines right next to it and then detonate

icy sluice
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A fucking shell gets shot into his rectum and blows up

solid hinge
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The tanks that can spray gas are good for that

hollow mulch
#

Instant death

icy sluice
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Gas Assault Tank

solid hinge
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The flamethrower a7v is a fucking beast in close quarters, alleys, tunnels, etc

hollow mulch
#

Honestly tho, I’ve always been more of a flyer, flying in BF1 is so ridiculously OP compared to BF4 air meta

solid hinge
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Yep

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I use assault plane

hollow mulch
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Mopping up infantry left and right

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^^^

solid hinge
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Attack*

hollow mulch
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Best plane

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No contest

solid hinge
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I mostly keep the other attack planes and bombers off. Even fighters. Switch to rear gun and let them have it

hollow mulch
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Omg

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Remember rear seat gunner during beta and right after launch?

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Was so broken but so much fun xD

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Bombers were able to dogfight fighter planes back then xD

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Honestly, I think I just fly way too much lol

solid hinge
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Rear gunners are usually awful. When you find one who can actually aim it takes some fuckery

mossy badge
#

See the thing about rear gunners are

solid hinge
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Ever ram bombers with attack plane? Hover over them and slam down? Then survive.

mossy badge
#

Its fucking hard as shit to hit anything when you're constantly fighting the goddamn planes movements

hollow mulch
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That moment when I look at my stats and I have almost as many kills on an F-35 as my most used assault rifle

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@mossy badge BFV?

mossy badge
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In general

hollow mulch
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Pff

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Just gotta practice

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BF1 flying is actually so much easier then bf4 in most regards

mossy badge
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Well i mean it gets easier, but in general if the plane is all over the place, it gets annoying shooting down something on your ass.

hollow mulch
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Oooh

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Your talking about the rear gunner lol

mossy badge
#

Yeah.

hollow mulch
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I thought in terms of shooting at ground targets

mossy badge
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Then again tho, i struggle my ass off actually flying the planes, because i'm so used to how War Thunder flight models work.

hollow mulch
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But yeah, if your pilot is a random who is a noob it’s pretty hard to hit anything

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That’s cuz war thunder uses actual physics lol

mossy badge
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Yiss

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and it has completely ruined flying in other games for me.

hollow mulch
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Your probably constantly over compensating

mossy badge
#

yeah, because there's no weight to anything

hollow mulch
#

ya

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Except in BFV

mossy badge
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I never got around to using aircraft in BFV

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But i have to say, they really werent as annoying in BFV beta as BF1

hollow mulch
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BFV beta air meta is kinda like war thunder, but if the planes accelerated like turtles and their top speed couldn’t outrun a glider.
It was pretty shit.

mossy badge
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God if the planes and tanks in BF acted like War Thunder...

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That would be amazing

hollow mulch
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Perhaps

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Would alienate most of its casual audience tho

mossy badge
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Yeah.

hollow mulch
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Gotta remember, Battlefield works best as a semi inbetween hardcore and casual

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It’s Arcady where it needs to be, and hardcore in other parts, reason why I like BF4 so much

mossy badge
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Its more casual than anything else.
Though if they added more realistic flight models and damage models for tanks and such in Hardcore

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that'd be nice

hollow mulch
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They’d need bigger maps

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Or at least waaaay more room in the sky for something like that

mossy badge
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Not for tanks, but certainly for aircraft

hollow mulch
#

I like how just about anybody can pick it up and play, but the mechanics are there if you really want to dominate

mossy badge
#

Yeah, like the Armour Angling.

hollow mulch
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YES

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BF4 armor angling so important

mossy badge
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God i loved tanking almost no damage in the Tiger and Churchill because i slightly angled my tank

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Its a godsend

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Like if you can angle the Tiger I at roughly 30 Degrees, you effectively add another 30-50mm armour on the front and sides.

hollow mulch
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Yup

mossy badge
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But Battlefield never really cared about Armour values and such

hollow mulch
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They don’t really need to, it’s an arcade shooter after all

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Doesn’t make it any less fun tho

mossy badge
#

Definitely not.

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I'm still salty about the fact that a 40mm Valentine could pen my Tiger from the front but eh.

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Its Battlefield

hollow mulch
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I hope they fix the planes in BFV

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Make them faster and not turn like a sack of bricks

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Climbing is also impossible atm

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Especially if your trying to dogfight

sullen mist
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I would love it if they added in warthunder tier flight models, maybe not the RB flight model but the Arcade battles flight model so that it coincides with bfV's arcade gameplay

mossy badge
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Yeah, just without that lead indicator.

hollow mulch
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Welp, I gtg, you all take care!

mossy badge
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Toodles mate.

tight kettle
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pls dice

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no more grenade spam in your games

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no more infinite incendiary/gas grenades pls

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totally ruining the fun for me in BF4 and BF1 right now

mossy badge
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Fairly certain its going to be fixed/addressed/nerfed slightly in bfv

tight kettle
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slightly? it needs to be beheaded

gray glade
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incendiary were less annoying than gas

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but regardless if its like the beta we'll be fine i think

oak fulcrum
tight kettle
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beta was pretty decent

oak fulcrum
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this is wonderful

tight kettle
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i dont understand why designers ever thought the balance in bf1/bf4 was good

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also im going to suck the weiner of whoever said no mortars in bfv

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claim your price, my glorious mouth

gray glade
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what was wrong with BFV balance?

tight kettle
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no, bf1/bf4

mossy badge
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I want mortars in BFV

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But actual fucking skill based mortars

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Not aim here in a minimap and fire type of mortars

tight kettle
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mortars shouldn't be allowed on maps where flanking is impossible

gray glade
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i meant bf4

mossy badge
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Range and firing angle mortars

tight kettle
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aka, all maps

mossy badge
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that'd be nice

gray glade
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bf4 balance was pretty good i feel, at least from like half a year after release

tight kettle
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i remember it being a CQC shitfest too

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any map with small areas where chokepoints were created is shit in battlefield

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there's no room for a tactical grenade, because grenades are the only thing used

solid hinge
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Bf4 its the best battlefield

tight kettle
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i'd say battlefield 3 but i dont know anymore

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they feel all shit to me at the moment, played 3 4 and 1 recently

solid hinge
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What about battlefield heroes

tight kettle
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that was pretty fun during the first few days of beta, then hacks happened

solid hinge
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They just gave a fuck about the game

mossy badge
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I miss Battlefield Heroes

worn cave
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Nades never annoyed me in BFV, felt awesome

solid hinge
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My favorites have to be 1943 and bf1. Bf4 is good, but weapons are too "shaky" and tanks, planes, etc are waaay to soft.

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I would love to see 1943 revived. Are the servers still running?

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Time to set my xbox one to 80% bandwidth use and play bf1. Nobody knows i hog the wifi every now and then

gray glade
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bf3 had great maps, but i the vehicles were a bit too overpowered

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too easy to solo and get like 50-1 and stuff

sacred junco
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I dunno BF3 had a lot of sketch maps on launch

tribal ledge
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Airplanes were fucking broken OP

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The anti air missiles were useless

tulip saddle
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What’s your favorite map on BF4 and BF1

solid hinge
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Desert Sinai

tulip saddle
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What class are you mainly? That’s a great map for scouts but being a frequent assaulter it’s a little tricky at times

dense bone
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yea fuck that map as support

tulip saddle
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Unless you’ve got 4x zoom on an lmg you’re basically useless

pure veldt
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T-21!

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o wait

zinc vessel
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Ooo the audio teaser is pretty awesome

brittle cloud
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anyone knows the best place to submit cheater videos for ban request ?

icy sluice
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It's kinda funny seeing a man just grab a g43 like that.

zinc vessel
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hahaha

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Just gotta get that thwack sound in there

icy sluice
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Just out of context thwap noise making

zinc vessel
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hahahaha

solid hinge
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thowmp

spiral adder
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@brittle cloud nowhere. People dont get banned

steep radish
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why not just add a nuke

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to BFV instead of mortars lol

icy sluice
spiral adder
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Any oce players?

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I need to find a squad😂

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For bf V

amber notch
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I know your pain fam

solid hinge
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OCE is the worst server to find people o

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I’m in battlefield v waiting room😀

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and there is like 5 servers on at all times

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all conquest

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0 other gamemodes

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true

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Why does Westie complain on Twitter so much about other people’s comments

sonic delta
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I’m looking through the comments of the single player trailer and holy shit, the comments are just so amusing

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Like, actual people took time out of their lives to write stupid pointless comments

zinc vessel
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I know

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It nearly fried my brain

sonic delta
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It made me laugh and watch the trailer even more

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I originally came here to ask for people to comment on their honest thoughts on the game, but I have something better. I actually want people to screen shot and post the best hate comments they can find

glossy trail
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I’m thinking of getting BF4 for XB1 physically but the prices are like, $20

solid hinge
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I haven’t fully recovered from the brain cells lost on that new trailer from reading the comments

pure veldt
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Insert sexist racist comment with small mention about historical inaccuracy here

glossy trail
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What trailer @solid hinge

solid hinge
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War stories for battlefield v

pure veldt
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I hated it but was mature enough to explain why

solid hinge
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If it’s legitimate that’s fine

glossy trail
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Modern battlefields are my favorite

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1 and V aren’t my forte, they seem kinda boring and limited with weaponry

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But then again, I haven’t played either, save for the open beta of 1 when it came out

pure veldt
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How is an opinion not legitimate?

solid hinge
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When you see troll comments

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That’s not so legitimate

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Or outright negativity

pure veldt
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Ah, well would you hate a troll comment or a legitimately mildly sexist one more? Lol

solid hinge
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Both are bad

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Not gonna lie there

pure veldt
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We're all a little something that someone won't like

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I'm 37, these changing times I tell you ;)

solid hinge
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I’m way younger than that

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Damn I didn’t think you’d be 37 hell I’m only 16

tight kettle
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Boomers unite

sonic delta
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Listen. I’m open for people criticizing the game. Be as honest as you want. But for the love of god, give a legit reason as to why you hate the game

tight kettle
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I hate bfv because it's hasn't been released yet

pure veldt
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The video was of zero interest to me since I only want the multiplayer content. They need to put something together to pull at those strings

sonic delta
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Ok, that’s a valid opinion

pure veldt
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This game has potential to be exactly like bf1 and I hated it

tight kettle
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It isn't.

pure veldt
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I mean the era is barely forward, why will it be so different

solid hinge
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I thought the direction taken with this game is completely different in gameplay mechanics from battlefield 1

pure veldt
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I played alpha and beta

tight kettle
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Why did you hate bf1?

solid hinge
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The era isn’t far apart so it definitely looks similar but the gameplay mechanics are not the same

pure veldt
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Mainly all the maps and shotgun play, trench warfare

solid hinge
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Barely the same actually

pure veldt
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The weapons

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Game modes

tight kettle
solid hinge
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But the way you play ain’t anything like battlefield 1

sonic delta
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I did see a Chauchat in some gameplay footage

pure veldt
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I'm very concerned with the new version of operations

solid hinge
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You have to play conservative since you got no ammo

pure veldt
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We're just lacking too much info

tight kettle
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Just play the mode you like then

solid hinge
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You also can master weapons with predicable recoil

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That’s a big one there

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Destruction is being ramped up and fortifications is coming

pure veldt
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It's still in casual unlock system land

tight kettle
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Imo bf1 has major flaws due to a few things. Grenade spam, mortars are rwo

pure veldt
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They went console friendly since battlefront 1

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The unlock systems have been abysmal

solid hinge
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The specialization for your weapons have positives and trade offs

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They tweaked it

tight kettle
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Bfv gunplay changes are amazing you'll enjoy them

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As for unlocking. It's level bound right

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I thought I saw something that indicated that

pure veldt
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The gun play in alpha didn't feel good, but we'll see if I can find something I like

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The assault weapon was bad

tight kettle
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I only played beta so can't say

pure veldt
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But it could be the era

tight kettle
#

Bad as in OP?

pure veldt
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I like weapons like the scar-h and t21 from bfront

tight kettle
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Because it was OP in the beta

amber notch
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@tight kettle STG?

tight kettle
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Ya

solid hinge
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Stg44 is hella good

amber notch
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it got nerfed

tight kettle
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Stg44 was way too good

amber notch
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the FG44

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THAT

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NEEDS A NERF

rough smelt
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42*

amber notch
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once people started getting it in the beta

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it was a killing machine

rough smelt
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that shit was nuts

amber notch
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it does the same amount of damage as the slow fire rate lmgs

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yet it had an rpm of 700

tight kettle
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Im not too concerned by balance. Im sure if things are not right dice will tweak it

pure veldt
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Haha well it'll be more about finally getting to play something like Rush for me

solid hinge
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I FREAKING CLIP

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OMG

amber notch
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rush i hope is going to be good this time

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rush bf3

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best rush

pure veldt
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I don't like conquest and all the running around

solid hinge
#

the pistol from the medic c96

tight kettle
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Rush is my favorite mode

solid hinge
#

i clip pearce through two guys

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omg

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i literally slam my bullters so hard

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with a c96

rough smelt
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uhhhh @amber notch

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Rush isn't in BFV m8 :u

solid hinge
#

XD

tight kettle
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It needs to be

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I need destruction based objectives sad

amber notch
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the new gamemode

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is essentially rush

tight kettle
#

Oh good

amber notch
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One side has an unlimited amount of tickets and the other is limited

pure veldt
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I can't see how I'll enjoy Grand operations since it will make me play different game modes but we'll see

solid hinge
#

the single player trailer is freaking awesome

pure veldt
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Frontline and breakthrough sound like battlefront modes ;)

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These games all take from each other and not just battlefield

tight kettle
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If the maps are as good as what we have seen and better

amber notch
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single player looks ok, but coming from what Jack said about the narrator in the single player, it seems like it may have been rushed

pure veldt
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Chances I'll finish it is about 0%

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I don't think I've ever finished any BF or Bfront campaign

amber notch
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Dont get me wrong

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I want to play as a german tank commander

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in the single player

pure veldt
#

It's hard to pull me in even if they award multiplayer weapons

pseudo saffron
#

Never been a big fan of single player either. Not just in battlefield but every games. I get bored and want to rekt people

icy sluice
#

I enjoy open world singleplayer, like Far Cry and shit

pure veldt
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I liked half life

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I'm not sure what else since

glossy trail
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Funny thing

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We have Mac 4ks at my school

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They run HL2 on max settings at like, 150 frames minimum

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Shits crazy, you’d think that it’d run like utter garbage cause it’s a Mac

pure veldt
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Didn't know it ever released for Mac

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It's not on boot camp windows?

icy sluice
#

HL2
Max Settings
uh

pure veldt
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I run frogger max

rough smelt
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that's

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that's not how that works

glossy trail
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@pure veldt There’s .OSX versions of multiple games

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Hell, Insurgency also runs fantastic

icy sluice
#

Here's what you should do, install Battlefield 1942 on all computers, lan party

glossy trail
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It’s a school computer

pseudo saffron
#

Battlefield heroes Chag

icy sluice
#

HL2

glossy trail
#

Install Black Mesa on all computers

rough smelt
#

again... not how that works

glossy trail
#

What

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Explain

icy sluice
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"HL2 on a school computer"
"Can't play 1942 because it's a school computer"

glossy trail
#

I was joking about installing BMS on all of the devices in my class obv

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Also

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I don’t have 1942

rough smelt
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it being a "School computer that's a mac" doesn't equal "it can't play a game from 2004"

glossy trail
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Idk man

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I’ve tried it on other models

rough smelt
#

learn how computer hardware actually works

glossy trail
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It didn’t run twice as well as this one

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Hell, I could run an unoptimized piece of shit like SR2 on it and it’d probably still run better than my windows desktop

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And I do know my pc hardware, just that I’ve been playing on consoles for the last 6 months

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Maybe I’m just surprised it ran better than my actual pc, which is bricked atm.

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Anyhow.

icy sluice
#

SR2 is I assume Saints Row 2?

glossy trail
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Yes

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In other words

pseudo saffron
#

Sorry to break the fun but let's keep this channel for battlefield. Move that conversation to #general HaHAA

glossy trail
#

Probably the worst PC port of a game ever

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My bad

pseudo saffron
#

All good

pure veldt
#

Each battlefield and front runs slower

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4 > front 1 > field 1 > front 2 right?

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Field 1 was 90 on low, Front 2 runs like 80 and field v runs about 70

glossy trail
#

New engine

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What do you expect

pure veldt
#

Curious what they keep adding to the engine to slow it down

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I haven't seen anything about frostbite adding new features in a while

glossy trail
#

For V they added some bullshit reflection shit

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Which is just them flexing on us console users

rough smelt
#

RTX was only in the demos at the event

glossy trail
#

Yea

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But it’ll make it into the final game obv

rough smelt
#

and wil only be usable on gtx 2000 series.. so that has nothing to do with the performance for the rest of us who don't use those cards

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or console

glossy trail
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I mean

pure veldt
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We better be able to disable rtx features

glossy trail
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Look at the difference between 3 and 4

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Massive

rough smelt
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you can't have RTX enabled when you don't have the bloody card that supports it

glossy trail
pure veldt
#

If we can't I'm going to be insanely pissed

rough smelt
#

......

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need I repeat myself

pure veldt
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I have a 2070 but I didn't buy it for RTX I bought it because it's the same price as a 1080 MSRP and I don't want a used card

icy sluice
#

I have a GT 710

rough smelt
#

there will be an option to turn off RTX

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they've said this

sacred junco
#

Man comments section in youtube complaining about how unrealistic it is for a 15 year old girl to solo German garrisons

pure veldt
#

Good, no one has been able to answer that

icy sluice
#

It's a storyline campaign

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Also 15? Where did that number come from?

sacred junco
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It was unrealistic in the first place why does it matter that its a girl doing it now

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Thats their words

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Think she is a teenager tho

icy sluice
#

concern arises for the people that do r34 of everything

pure veldt
#

I want to control a dog who goes on a mission

icy sluice
#

Oh like CoD Ghosts

pure veldt
#

Ugh never played that pos

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That was the damn worst

icy sluice
#

Remember how much emphasis was put on dogs in that game?

pure veldt
#

Everything was shit after mw3

solid hinge
#

in ireland we say feck off which is much less offensive than fuck off but essentially means the same thing

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so if you like cod feck off

rough smelt
icy sluice
#

I hope some learned a bit about the Steagles thing I posted earlier :v

sacred junco
#

I enjoyed Blops 3 a bit

icy sluice
#

Black Ops 3 had good zombies, multiplayer sucked because the weapon lootboxes and all that shit

sacred junco
#

I only had the limited multiplayer only one

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Overwatch with CoD guns

pure veldt
#

I'm just happy I was able to dig up some change to upgrade my 970 to play

icy sluice
#

The Specialist shit really kills the game

pseudo saffron
pure veldt
#

No way in hell I was going to play at 50-80 fps

icy sluice
#

Now enjoy 60-90 :v

pure veldt
#

1440p is a bear!

glossy trail
#

F i s h A I

pure veldt
#

I'll play low settings like all other competitive players ;)

zinc vessel
#

Ewww

pure veldt
#

Eww all you want sitting in a shadow to think exists but doesn't on my screen lol

split plank
#

To be honest I am kind of disappointed with the AI in the campaign

amber notch
#

@split plank Narrator as well

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the AI im not really worried about

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the Narrator isnt the best if im being honest

pure veldt
#

That may have been easy

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I played battlefront 2 a bit earlier on easy and they are so stupid it definitely feels bad

#

Such slow acquisition time

solid hinge
#

I’m hoping battlefield after v goes back to modern setting

#

It’s been about seven years since the next battlefield comes in 2020 that we haven’t had a modern military battlefield game

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Last modern military battlefield game was 4

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If I’m being honest I kinda wish dice went to modern with battlefield 5 and saved their ww2 game for another year because in the modern setting you can have loads of customization and lots of other things like character skin wouldn’t be an issue

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These games often have lots of content

icy sluice
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Eh, it can be done in a WWII setting

sacred junco
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Model 8 seems to be a very different gun in bfv

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Levelcaps video had it

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Seemed to actually have a pretty high vertical recoil

solid hinge
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Model 8?

compact oxide
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Isn't it meant to be a different gun? It's supposedly like the RSC and ZH now

sacred junco
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Yeah the autoloading 8

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Its funny seeing how being ina different game makes it into a totally different gun still

solid hinge
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did anyone else not mind hardline

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i dont see why it got so much hate

pure veldt
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you cant deviate from the traditional game or people are gonna get pissy ;P

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i never once even bothered trying it

daring dome
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probably because it didn't go far enough

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it wanted to be cops and robbers and it also wanted to be normal battlefield

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but it couldn't have both

amber notch
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Hardline wasnt bad

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I enjoyed it

solid hinge
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if they unmiralitized it

amber notch
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as i hit max rank in a week

daring dome
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un-militarized, yes :p

solid hinge
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oh yeah those free xp servers

amber notch
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I loved sitting in a car doing nothing

solid hinge
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it was a good idea, if they fixed it up i could see it being a good sequel

amber notch
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I think it was mainly because it was a different style

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tbh

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the story wasnt half bad

solid hinge
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i think there shouldnt be lots of ammo like it had

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same system as bfv

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maybe one or two clips spare

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because as a criminal you dont exactly have military grade gear

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you may have weapons but i doubt you will get everything the military has

pure veldt
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V is just gonna be a fun surprise, i dont know much about the modes or systems

solid hinge
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conquest got old for me tbh

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its all i played in bf4

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and i always wanted different servers to be made with different game modes

pure veldt
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ill be interested in how Breakthrough and Frontlines play

solid hinge
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because imagine operations on operation locker

pure veldt
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i liked the tug of war in Battlefront 2

solid hinge
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was that what it was called?

pure veldt
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and the one where you clear enough and move to a new set of objectives

solid hinge
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thats basically front lines

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bfv is beautiful though

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like

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really beautiful

pure veldt
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yea they just keep makin it perty

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every battlefront release is a move on the engine

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so its not just bfield

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BFront 2 was really damn pretty

daring dome
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i still want that damn game to go on sale again

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grievous is enough to pull me in

pure veldt
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how cheap it gotta be, $20? ;D

daring dome
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yes

solid hinge
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you think anyone gonna spend 40$ on battlefront?

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you craze

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You would be suprised

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Well.. its old now

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People pay insane amounts for new shit

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i almost bought BFront

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i only didnt because i trusted my friend and saved

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It really isnt that great, no destruction, weapons are meh, planes and tanks is meh, only thing that makes it appealing is star wars, other than that its just some crappy fps.

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i liked the planes

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i also liked the elites

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not the jedi and such

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but the jetpack troopre

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or the rocket droid

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i hated the vehicles though

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the gunplay was fun

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so

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from bf4

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who enjoyed levolution

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i did

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but who else

vague flame
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I was surprised how China Rising is still so popular on BF4 servers

harsh rapids
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I heard this game is sexist

solid hinge
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yeah it is

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fuck men

compact oxide
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And as we all know, Pepe is a symbol of the white supremacy, apparently

hoary condor
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Managed to get some early battlefield in this morning at 5:30am pepe

hoary condor
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Exciting news

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25 free battlepacks for logging in to bf1

solid hinge
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eh

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no point for me

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allready got all the skins ill ever need\

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i can buy a legendary battlepack like every 4 hours

soft breach
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i like how the skins look in bf1, cause i don't really care about them

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so i don't need battlepacks

hoary condor
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i only really use the russian sniper.. so most skins aren't needed for me

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but still good to collect/horde them 😃

soft breach
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I really like one of the skin types and that is the golden skins

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I have mained the BAR lmg as support ever since i got the skin

hoary condor
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what's your fav support gun?

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i still use the lewis...

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the bar i didn't like due to low clip capacity

soft breach
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Mine is BAR, feels like an assault rifle but bigger

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you have any favorites for medic, assault and scout?

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Mine is SL sweeper, MP 18 and Russian 1805 sniper

hoary condor
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assault i use the mp18 optical russain sniper for scout

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never play as a medic

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i have once before but the most deadly thing i could do was throw gas haha

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mp 18 hit fire is so much better than ads

soft breach
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im a medic and support main

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i play assault in the city maps mostly and scout on the most open ones

hoary condor
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city maps i'm assault but for some reason i tend to sniper.. due to spot flares to help team out

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River Sommes is a fun map

soft breach
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yeah

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bf1 has a lot of great maps

hoary condor
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played it at 5:30am this morning before work lol

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passchendaele is a difficult map.. but imagine what real life would of looked like..

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can pre-load bf5 on xbox

ocean hatch
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do we know if this is intentional? Hadn't heard about this anywhere

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PC preload date is 8th Nov

hoary condor
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nice!

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any news on ps4?

ocean hatch
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no idea

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just curious as to why the xbox pre load is so much earlier

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Makes me wonder if it's not meant to have happened

hoary condor
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i would of thought so..unless the new intern messed up 😉

ocean hatch
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haha

hoary condor
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pre-load isn't anything tbh... doesn't give benefit

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it will be on all platforms sooner or later

ocean hatch
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yeah just a bit strange

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its probs nothing

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but interesting nonetheless

hoary condor
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yeah, indeed

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be home in another 10 hours....

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battlefield for the weekend starts

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even better with 25 battle packs ❤

ocean hatch
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haha nice

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I couldnt go back to bf1 after the bfV beta 😛

hoary condor
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many people have said that

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is it a big difference?

ocean hatch
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in my opinion yeah

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but super hyped for bfV

hoary condor
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yeah same here man!