it depends on how far away you are
#battlefield-legacy-titles
shrewd zinc
mossy badge
Well fair enough.
shrewd zinc
assumedly the scene would take place at the edge of the city
mossy badge
shrewd zinc
so your character would survive but be severly injured
to show what suffering many people went through after that bomb
toxic briar
Ye
south lynx
One thing to remember is that the major reason why Hiroshima and Nagasaki had such high casualties was Japanese construction at the time. Massive thermal pulse over a huge area + wood and paper city = firestorm.
shrewd zinc
i remember in history we watched a documentary on the bombing
and they sort of created like a mockup of several japanese lives just minutes before the bomb
and fuck it hurts so bad
toxic briar
That's why fire bombing was very effective
shrewd zinc
like, they based it off real artifacts found
a melted tricycle, a lunchbox full of carbonised food
mossy badge
It was certainly an effective way of stopping a war.
shrewd zinc
yeah
south lynx
Yep, the fire bombing of Japanese cities caused far more casualties than the two nukes did. The nukes were simply psychologically devastating in a way that massed formations of bombers weren't.
toxic briar
As Japan had a very no surrender attitude
toxic briar
Ye
shrewd zinc
plenty of people suffered from cancer, the cities must have been uninhabitable for years
toxic briar
The nukes were a very effective way to say that they wouldn't win
shrewd zinc
of course
south lynx
Well the cities were rebuilt pretty fast.
shrewd zinc
they were probably necessary in the way
south lynx
They just didn't learn about the effects of radiation.
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
but we can't say that america is morally superior just because the bombs were justified
it was and still is a horrible war crime
south lynx
They didn't have a background to be able to say "Oh hey, this is probably radioactive" so they went in, cleaned up, rebuilt, and had a spike in cancer rates.
shrewd zinc
just as much as any other country
south lynx
Well no.
shrewd zinc
every country did horrible things
south lynx
I'm gonna agree it's a war crime.
toxic briar
Although the radiation from weapons dissipates fasterish then like from Chernobyl or such things
south lynx
But it still pales in comparison to the Holocaust.
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
of course
toxic briar
It was the lesser of a lot of evils
shrewd zinc
but again, there is still no moral superiority in this case
south lynx
Let's not start on whataboutism when it comes to war crimes.
toxic briar
Well the allies probably had a slightly better case then axis, who were all about one race, which is ironic since they were made up of two very different races
south lynx
@toxic briar Radiation from nukes can dissipate faster, depends on the burst height. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were airbursts to maximize the radius of impact, a surface burst would have left a lot of nasty fallout with long half-lives.
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
yeah
the radiation didn't last long, but still would have made everything uninhabitable for a while
south lynx
Also there's the ever-pleasant thought of salted nukes, thank god nobody ever deployed any of those. Though that's more of a Cold War thing.
south lynx
@shrewd zinc Well no, it wouldn't have made it uninhabitable.
toxic briar
Aight bois I gtg
south lynx
Look at Crossroads Baker.
shrewd zinc
seeya levi
south lynx
They had soldiers on some of those ships the day after the test.
toxic briar
I have to work on my least favorite part of history
south lynx
When the ships were hot as hell.
shrewd zinc
oof
toxic briar
I like it once we get to the revolution and stuff but the whole getting there bit I find boring
shrewd zinc
yeah but to clarify my earlier argument
toxic briar
Cya around bois
shrewd zinc
i don't think america should necessarily be condemned for dropping the bombs
but i think people need to be shown how it affected the people on the other side
as said in the battlefield 1 prologue
'behind every gunsight'
mossy badge
So, on a more happier topic.
Who's excited for what vehicles to be added in the game ?
shrewd zinc
i quite like what they've added already
i do hope we see some of the other countries' stuff obvs
and some of the BF1 stuff that was reused in WW2
mossy badge
Its rather pale in comparison of that they can add. :3
shrewd zinc
the armoured car from BF1 was also used in WW2 so we could see that return
mossy badge
I do hope they add the Maus at some point.
icy sluice
What are the light tanks being added again? Also, love hearing the Jericho sirens
shrewd zinc
the FT-17 was widely used by Germans (for defensive purposes, but DICE can bend the rules)
B17 bomber would be nice but needs to be balanced
perhaps a squad call-in
icy sluice
I hope planes are good even though I am not a good pilot
shrewd zinc
also you know those anti air guns that have four cannons?
icy sluice
I don't fly
shrewd zinc
i'm not sure what they're called but i'd like to see them
mossy badge
As far as i know.
The Czech Pz38t, Staghoud armoured car, Sd.kfz 251 Halftrack.
The Flak 38
shrewd zinc
staghound is a light tank
south lynx
@shrewd zinc That's either the Flak 38 flakvierling or the M16 MGMC.
shrewd zinc
the half track is a transport vehicle
south lynx
Well, really the Maxon quad .50 caliber mount.
shrewd zinc
yeah flak 38 flakvierling looks like it
shrewd zinc
it wasn't vehicle mounted so Flak 38 sounds right
mossy badge
The puma
icy sluice
Fliegerfaust!!!!
shrewd zinc
I hope dice includes that on some maps
i remember seeing it in an old war movie
based on the RAF
and i also saw it in RAID: WW2, you get to use it in one of the missions
mossy badge
The Flak 38, Flakvierling was used on the Wirblewind and on some Sd.Kfz. 7/1
shrewd zinc
yeah true, it is on the Wirbelwind
but an infantry operable one would be interesting
south lynx
Goddamn, finding the original pair of USS Skate post-test pictures is super fucking hard. They've been scrubbed from Wikipedia. I feel like someone has been doing some revisionism.
shrewd zinc
perhaps if they have any fort-style maps they can have that
mossy badge
Oh yeah stationary gun emplacements
shrewd zinc
can't you view the page history ophi?
spiral adder
I hope so cause aa in bfV was uselss
south lynx
@shrewd zinc Probably could I just went to google. National Parks still have them: https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/swcrc/37/chap5.htm
mossy badge
What even were the stationary AA guns in BFV ?
south lynx
Those two pictures were taken a day apart.
shrewd zinc
the AA was pretty okay honestly
spiral adder
Like 1 aa on narvik in open. So short ranged pilots could use canons outside of the aa to kill u lol
shrewd zinc
the stationary guns in BFV were a british one I think
spiral adder
Let alone rockets
south lynx
@mossy badge They were Flak 38s, but single barrel.
shrewd zinc
huh, hold on
mossy badge
Ah.
spiral adder
Also 2 dmg vs bomber
mossy badge
Yeah that wouldn't do much, unless you get a concentrated group of them firing at stuff
The Flak 36 would be much, much more effective.
spiral adder
Hopefully aa tanks are seperate spawn to tanks as we'll need one up all thr time
shrewd zinc
maybe
spiral adder
Oh and 4 rockets to kill a tiger tankπ
shrewd zinc
but considering they're on existing chassis they do look like they should be upgrades to tanks
south lynx
I was okay with bombers in the beta actually. Aside from dropping on the point they didn't really have much way to influence things, so being relatively immune to flak wasn't too bad.
spiral adder
So maybe it'll be useless too
shrewd zinc
but i think it was mentioned that they are separate
south lynx
Fighters got buzzsawed by AA, so that was good.
shrewd zinc
yeah a flak 38 flakvierling would be cool though
perhaps on a map where only the attackers have bombers
planes*I
spiral adder
Meanwhile it takes the valentine like 3 shots cause of the gun upgrade to kill tiger frontally
shrewd zinc
like perhaps you're attacking a fort or whatever
mossy badge
Yeah that's extremely annoying
spiral adder
Also the churchill howizer meant beating tiger easily
shrewd zinc
so you get planes while defenders get positional advantage and better AA guns
mossy badge
The Churchill AVRE ?
spiral adder
I hope armour actually works in the full game. In beta it was a flat 14 dmg
south lynx
Why go vierling when you could go zwilling?: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/12.8_cm_Flakzwilling_40_1.jpg
south lynx
Well they were heavy AA intended to deter bombers.
shrewd zinc
cause most emplacements are generally for a single infantryman only
spiral adder
Radar AA?
shrewd zinc
huh
solid hinge
8 maps, cod is shipping with 15 maps. I hate cod but wtf DICE
shrewd zinc
those heavy AA guns may just end up as setpieces
mossy badge
They weren't radar guided... radar assisted.
spiral adder
Cod maps are small ast
shrewd zinc
ah
spiral adder
Asf*
shrewd zinc
but still, they may end up as setpieces
south lynx
@mossy badge The gun laying data was generated by radar.
spiral adder
Also operations makes 1 map into 3
shrewd zinc
to destroy planes that stray too far out of the map
mossy badge
Yeah, Radar assisted
solid hinge
that logic has no weight
south lynx
They weren't automatically laid, AFAIK, unlike the M16 MGMC when hooked up to the SCR-584, but they were radar guided.
spiral adder
Maybe use squad points
solid hinge
look at BF4 and the content given to us
shrewd zinc
like the four guns do look pretty awesome, you gotta admit
spiral adder
Also unlike cod bf will have constantly new maps for free @solid hinge
Apples to oranges
shrewd zinc
lol aren't all the cod maps just three-lane maps
uninspired etc.
quality over quantity
anyway, what other stuff should they add to BFV
any guns you guys particularly want to see?
solid hinge
not really, BF V currently has 1 map that looks promising
shrewd zinc
as everyone has probably heard me say before, I wanna see the Owen Mk 1 and the Charlton Automatic Rifle
south lynx
Wz. 35 if they add anti-tank rifles, also Type 97 AT rifle.
solid hinge
In the past BF had maps that were lot better
south lynx
I'd like to see the DeLisle Carbine and Welrod pistol as well.
solid hinge
Grand Bazaar, Seine Crossing hell even Metro..
slender heron
Cod was once good...but they thrashed the maps after BO2 ....also BF has always been much better
south lynx
PPS-43
solid hinge
but this time its open fields
shrewd zinc
welrod would be fantastic though
i dunno how'd they balance it though
like, the Liberator is already the meme weapon
so would it be like, powerful but risky?
kinda like the obrez
mossy badge
Honestly, just the M1919A4, the Lee Enfield that's already in the game and the Mg 42.
south lynx
I'd say give it to some infiltrator-like combat role, basically the pathfinder archetype from the early reveal.
shrewd zinc
the paratrooper archetype
south lynx
Let 'em have it as a sidearm to complement the suppressed pistols.
sharp merlin
Actually I really liked that BF1 included a lot of weapons I'd never even heard of before
I hope they include some weird shit too
south lynx
And yeah, make it punchy but slow RoF.
shrewd zinc
they said the paratrooper archetype was returning at some point
i assume it'll be it's own class
south lynx
@sharp merlin The ZH-29 isn't niche enough for you? π
south lynx
Was it paratrooper? I coulda sworn it was pathfinder. Ah well.
solid hinge
BF3 , BF4 Bad company 2 was good. BF1 is trash
shrewd zinc
like if it's a paratrooper archetype, do they get different spawn locations or something?
the pathfinder archetype is for recon, and still gets sniper rifles
south lynx
I associate pathfinders with stealth more than paras in general.
slender heron
Nah bf1 is good...just could have been better
sharp merlin
BF1 was alright
I managed to fit in 300 hours
nowhere close to my bf3 or bf4 hours but now bad
shrewd zinc
i hope that Combined Arms gets a 'classless' mode
sharp merlin
not*
shrewd zinc
where we spawn in with appropriate weapons and can pick up new ones
solid hinge
BF1 was as casual as it got. I died more by explosions then freaking fire fight.
Catered to Casual
slender heron
Bf1 was working in being simpler
shrewd zinc
for example if you started off a Combined Arms mission via paratrooping, you'd be able to equip stuff like the M1a1, or the FG42
solid hinge
BF3, BF4 were far superior and ambitious game
slender heron
Which was good in some ways
shrewd zinc
and there'd be weapon crates to pick up other weapons
slender heron
Agrerd
slender heron
Way to op
shrewd zinc
i wonder if there's any other weird weapons they could add
like the nazi belt buckle gun lol
south lynx
Oh, just for memes, one other weapon I want to see: OSS punch gun. It'd have to be a melee replacement though.
shrewd zinc
imagine just thrusting out and shooting someone with your belt buckle
solid hinge
I think when DICE LA makes the next Bad Company 3 hopefully it will return to good old Battlefield days.
shrewd zinc
i assume the glove gun would be like the ballistic fist from Fallout:NV
it'd have to have some sort of downside though
'good old battlefield days' is subjective to when you started the series
technically BFV is returning to some ideas of earlier battlefields like 1942
or BF2
BF3 and BF4 are very different to the original battlefields
solid hinge
I have been playing battlefield for over 12 years now.
solid hinge
I feel to this day BF1 was the worst battlefield made. I feel even hardline as bad it was had some cool mechanics in it. Like Gun Bench
south lynx
@shrewd zinc The ballistic fist from NV was inspired by the glove gun, so yep.
shrewd zinc
well i mean i'm not saying you're wrong momo
just saying that what you define 'good old battlefield days' is different for each person
i definitely see why people don't like BF1
it can be fun sometimes and looks amazing
but but BFV is like 5x more satisfying, I already miss it
ophi, what do you think would balance the glove gun?
solid hinge
I think its headed in the right direction in comparison to BF1 but i don't like that they are keeping lot of the content that should have been released as part of 60 dollor price tag as tides of war gimmick.
shrewd zinc
to be fair, we are still getting those things for free
it's a double edged sword
like yeah because of tides of war they're holding it back, but also because of tides of war they get more time to work on these things and perfect them
like i want to see Combined Arms as much as the next person, but if it was shit at launch, maybe not so much
south lynx
@shrewd zinc Well it'd end up something like the combat medic, where you get a guaranteed instakill melee as part of your class package I assume.
shrewd zinc
oh yeah true
solid hinge
free is subjective, with each tides of war stuff there will be some method of monetization. Its a buisness at the end of the day
shrewd zinc
though i think the combat medic still gets takedown animations
yeah there will be monetisation
but it's all on cosmetics
so any of the non-cosmetic stuff they release won't be monetised regardless of when it's launched
south lynx
You could add a recovery period on the punch gun, to reload it.
shrewd zinc
and tbh i'm happy to buy some cosmetic stuff, doesn't really make me better at the game but like if i can give my character an aussie slouch hat, i'm all ears
south lynx
Basically trade less up-front delay for more post-kill delay.
shrewd zinc
yeah ophi, that sounds like a good idea
like it could perhaps do say 50-60 damage a punch
so you could kill a lower health person faster
currently it's 35 for a normal melee
south lynx
The really, really oldschool Firearms knifer in me says it should be a point-target melee weapon.
The knife in FA would instakill if you headshot someone with it.
But took a few hits to the body to drop someone.
Punchgun someone in the head, frag them instantly. Would be kinda silly.
shrewd zinc
hmm, sounds interesting
imagine if every melee had that feature in bfv
and they had like, head takedown animations
stabbing someone in the eye
south lynx
FA didn't have takedown animations, it was a Half-Life mod, you just nailed someone in the face and they dropped.
south lynx
True, not a huge fan of takedown animations, but I get why people like them.
shrewd zinc
i'm already imagining some
like for a front-facing head takedown with a knife, it'd go in their eye
if you hit them from the right side with a club, you'd clock them in the face and they'd clutch and stumble before callapsing
zealous void
heres my idea
from the front with a club:
smack them to the left and downwards, they're dazed and barely moving, then smack them upwards to the right
kachigga
idk
shrewd zinc
ooooo that's brutal
yeah that would work for a 'head' animation for sure
and they'd sorta just get flung backwards
club has gotta be my favourite melee weapon though
i hope they keep the BF1 melee animations cause the club animations are great
mossy badge
I want to throw my helmet at people when i'm out of ammo
shrewd zinc
lmao
i do actually hope they do like a full-attrition gamemode though
like on reddit i suggested a domination-type gamemode but objectives are supply caches
and like the amount of ammo your team has depends on how many supply caches you have or something
and give supports and medics limited resources so you ultimately have to return to these caches
I dunno, but just when DICE said that these caches become sub-objectives, it made me think of that
perhaps don't even make them official 'objectives', but have it be a sort of TDM-type mode and have the caches there so players fight over them
maybe even have that be an element of firestorm
i dunno it just sounds so cool fighting over the scarce ammo
shrewd zinc
damn
shoulda posted on the forums instead
i dunno the reddit just seems a better place to post than the forums
r/battlefieldV/ that is, not r/Battlefeidl
remote lion
Reddit and Idiots trying to act smart are synonyms at this point
shrewd zinc
more people tend to post their ideas on r/BattlefieldV/
remote lion
Not saying everyone who uses Reddit is an idiot
shrewd zinc
compared to Battlefield forums where it seems to be a lot of complaining
remote lion
I use it sometimes
mossy badge
Some sub reddits are fine, but most i've seen that's related to gaming is ... well special for a lack of a better word
remote lion
π
mossy badge
I've seen worse from both sides...
Specially when the Controversies just came out...
remote lion
The bigger the subreddit the more chance of stupid people in it
shrewd zinc
yeah but r/battlefieldV is properly moderated
so you see genuinely good stuff there most of the time
remote lion
Goto r/Dota you'll find some of the most stupid people, for ex there were like 15 times more people watching the TI in China than the rest of the world (a lot of em were bots ofc) but some people were saying otherwise... "Welll China has 1.3 billion people sooo uhhh if you actually do the math it's plausible haha I'm a scientist btw feel free to ask me about time space continuum I do that shit in my free time"
Unironically
remote lion
The 2nd hardest game in the world isn't dumb
That just goes to show the mentality of a typical ledditor
Convinced he's a geniuse but is actually braindead
shrewd zinc
i don't actually know why dota is so popular
like i dunno
it doesn't seem like the type of game to get really popular
like nobody i know in real life actually plays it
yet it's apparently one of the most played games in the world
remote lion
It's like league but actually takes skill and is complex
south lynx
Same reason that lots of sports are popular. There's enough framework to keep it understandable, enough flexibility to allow for good plays and complex decisions, and it's readable enough that you can understand the big picture at a glance.
League has waaaay the fuck better UX though.
remote lion
It's aids if you playing it at a lowkey semi pro level like me
south lynx
Dota's UX is a miserable heap.
remote lion
5k mmr
100% of the game is available to play from the moment you first open the game
Unlike league
remote lion
But since league is a lot more casual it has more players
south lynx
League has better UX and readability, better movement (Turn rate is dumb), and IMO better skill uptime/usage design.
remote lion
League owes everything to dota, it's a long story
tiny shale
anybody trying to squad up for bf1
remote lion
Turn rate is a hot topic ye
south lynx
Dota has better itemization, entry-level availability, and to some extent skill ceiling, but it's hampered by really bad UX and some questionable decisions about creep denial.
remote lion
Almost all the new heroes being added have super dope turn rate
Try playing Willow then switch to QOP
south lynx
Unfortunately, League is also kinda run by people who hate some of the things that make the game great, and are flip-flop designers.
remote lion
You wanna commit suicide
south lynx
Witness the whole "We hate the jungle, let's try and kill it!" back and forthing.
remote lion
They're scum. Business wise and company wise
south lynx
And their general inability to balance AP/AD champions effectively.
south lynx
Eh, you might as well say 75% of BF is stolen from Quake.
remote lion
Nono.
south lynx
First rule of game design: You cannot copyright gameplay.
That's been held up in courts repeatedly.
remote lion
The guy who 'made' league was working on Dota. He backstabbed the community and jumped ships. Even tried to destroy dota
south lynx
Some went to league, some went to HoN, some went to DOTA 2 once Valve figured out the rights...
So did the HoN team, and Icefrog was pretty acidic back towards both other teams. It was the classic bad breakup.
Nobody was in the right.
remote lion
Hijacked the original dota website and was advertising people to go play league
Yeah I am partisan don't get me wrong. But those fucks deserve what's coming for em. Now with the sexual assaults n all the other shit I sincerely hope they go down in flames
Sorry back2battlefield
Do we 100% know for now what the 'care packages' will contain?
south lynx
Heh, no worries. I mean I'm not a Riot fan either, but I feel like the discussion about the origins of MOBAs shouldn't be influenced by the current scumminess of Riot. The Dota dev team breakup was bad all the way around.
Got no idea what, I'm gonna guess not panzerschokolade though.
remote lion
Can't wait for EA to pull an EA
south lynx
Speaking of panzerschokolade, there's something that would be interesting and pretty dark for them to cover.
Widespread use and abuse of amphetamines during WWII.
storm marlin
zealous void
honestly looks like bf1's st quentin
shrewd zinc
st chamond
isn'tthat exactly what that is though
i honestly can't see it being anything else
toxic briar
God the chamond is such a goofy fucking tank
shrewd zinc
its so cool tho
so we know the mark V was used at some point in WW2
and the FT-17 was used quite a bit
shrewd zinc
and the armoured car from BF1 was reused
toxic briar
But the mark V I didn't know about
shrewd zinc
but i wonder if anything else was also reused
Mark V was used in battle of berlin (possibly not functionally)
toxic briar
Didn't the Russians have a FT copy?
shrewd zinc
the Soviets took four Mark V Composites from Bulgaria and then used it in 1941
toxic briar
Ye
fathom pebble
the last and the only authentic from the time
all other 16 out of 17 were melt and destroyed after the war ended
thorn wolf
They were too heavy to tow so the british just scrapped them
fathom pebble
there's some 1:1 replicas around the world but the only authentic one from the time that survived is that one in australia
thorn wolf
I feel like with teamwork a Mark V composite would be able to work in BF5
gusty wigeon
Automatic storm
shrewd zinc
yeah
again, if the Mark V was pre-spawned on the maps it was appropriate too
you'd be able to use a lot at the start of the round, but you'd need teamwork
like for the soviet case:
maybe on conquest there's one for each team and then two objectives have one
Breakthrough would have two for the soviets one sector, then spawn another two later on (would work well as defenders cause they could just spawn further back in the map). Or one each sector
Maybe frontlines would have two at each home base
Combined Arms would either have a small 'encounter' where you have to destroy all 4, or would have three friendly AI controlled ones, and then one usable one that is modified depending on how many players there are
If they reimplement rush they could add just one to help the players
and then the battle of Berlin could have non-composite Mark Vs with two cannons
solid hinge
I love how most of the tanks in bf1 were experimentals
let's be real; only 500 or so actual Mark V tanks were actually seen on the battlefield
compared to the millions of people who have died on the western front
not alot of people really saw them
shrewd zinc
true i suppose
but it's the most iconic tank of the war
also i kinda wish they included Female and Composite Mark Vs in BF1
solid hinge
It would have been nice
But if you were a real soldier at that time you would have never actually seen tanks in action
It's a one in a thousand chance of seeing once
I dunno, they do a horrible theme with the actual theme of ww1 in bf1
If you really want to be real bf1 is a steampunk fantasy version of ww1
shrewd zinc
well
didn't mark Vs get used quite a bit later in the war really?
cause they were a late-ish invention
desert dune
Cambrai saw use of Mark IVs rather than Vs
south lynx
I can't read apparently.
Just assumed since we were talking WWI use it was the Mk. IV
stark nimbus
I'm good with the concessions they made to increase the variety in BF1 weapons
Single shot rifles were still very powerful and useful and felt very different than BF4 but there were a range of automatics as well
reef solstice
Hey guys
rocky falcon
Hi
pallid sparrow
Is it true that on bf v there is less destruction than on bf1?
Like with the doors of wood that you couldn't destroy it on the bfv beta?
solid hinge
I think it's probably going to improve during release
shrewd zinc
destruction is better in BFV
and there is def more of it
like how in narvik you could collapse the entire houses
couldn't do that in BF1
grand merlin
solid hinge
hi
solid hinge
hii
reef solstice
So i joined this discord for the bfv discussion
Like in terms of weapons vehicles and ma0s
Maps*
And also are we getting new factions for bfv other than great britain and germany
silk mist
Lol you have got to be the most depressing welcomer @swift socket
There will be new factions coming with The Tides of War
But first only germany and great brittain
proud bough
Heβs not wrong
novel light
In the same place where all Soviet weapons will be, looking at it realistically
In Soviet part of Tides, whenever it happens
Meh
I mean, it's fairly obvious
That a Soviet MG will be with Soviet part of the game
Putting aside that it most likely wouldn't be an MMG
Something from DS-39/SG-43 duo would make way more sense as far as MMGs go
reef solstice
What vehicles and weapons you people like to see in bfv?
And i hope italy is added in
Like countries id want for tides of war
Italy,usa,ussr,japan,china
I really hope japan will be in the game
solid hinge
I'd love to see the Thompson SMG, and obviously the M1 Garand. Lol
reef solstice
Hmm lets see for me
M1897 trench gun,Nambu,Arisaka Type 77,Type 100,M3 Grease Gun,PPD 40,PPS 43,
Now vehicles
For the soviets id prolly like a BT-7,T-34,KV2
The BT-7 should be very fast to
hoary condor
M3 Scout car looks quite fun.. not the deadliest of vehicles but still quite cool
toxic briar
I hope each countries vehicles actually are different in balance
hoary condor
Yeah, as long as one doesn't overpower the other.. well within reason anyway
have an equal fight with tanks.. though I think light tanks should have a disadvantage against the heavier tanks.. give or take on weapons .cal
toxic briar
Ya
Like ignoring reliability issues an early war Sherman may have less armor then a panzer and a slightly worse gun, but it's faster I believe
Although tbh reliability issues and the limited mass production capablilitiws of the Germans limited their effectiveness, which BF doesn't portray
hoary condor
True.. but they do have to make a fair game for some.. as if you was German in game.. you may have next to no advantage of getting in a tank, whereas the enemy would be battering you with tanks
toxic briar
Ye
It wouldn't be fun on a map set in late war and none of the German tanks work
And the planes can't take off cuz of no fur
Fuel*
hoary condor
true.. so on that front for a game.. would suck haha
spawns in plane.. can't take off
toxic briar
Ya
solid hinge
I think we're sorta judging the battlefield series unfairly with this entire accuracy schmick
toxic briar
Ye
solid hinge
Bf1942 was literally just researched from some old history textbook dice found from the library
toxic briar
It's been slightly more realistic then like cod or something
But it's never been that realistic
solid hinge
But in the end it's just a bunch of toy soldiers
solid hinge
Also some maps are just flat plains
topaz dome
bf1 servers down?
solid hinge
I think dice at the time just made a game with a ww2 skin
hoary condor
@topaz dome https://downdetector.com/status/ea
solid hinge
People think about fh2 and project reality when they think of battlefield and that muddles the view a little
Bf1942 is just a ww2 themed playground, that's all
topaz dome
Stage v to bfv
need screenshot?
two soldier set tokens and mostly repeat skins I think
hoary condor
shame we can't carry bf1 warbonds over to bf5
faint flint
why let the players have something fun when you can charge them for it?
is there any way to check my k/d in bf4? I know it's probably crap but I'd like to see.
solid hinge
icy sluice
Which confirms a currency or something called Set Tokens, I assume you use these to get any uniform set you'd like...
Also...
Annihilator Skin
icy sluice
inb4 set tokens are actually not that expensive or hard to get in the actual game
green elm
holy shit BAR has a skin?
undone sinew
Wait a sec, You have diffrent guns than me, I unlocked a Lewis and a G95 skin
Well, Atleast I got skins for guns I like.
mossy badge
Who else agrees with this monstrosity
solid hinge
Wait I can do the road to bfv thing at my own leisure before the game releases?
And I get weapon skins n shit
fathom pebble
teal sand
yolo
languid forge
Does anyone know if you miss a certain R2BFV dog tag, if there'll be any chance to get it later?
amber notch
languid forge
The Fleur de Lis one
Stage 1 week 3, I missed it. Not a completionist, it'd just match my choice of front tag.
icy sluice
"grinding hard" 
hoary condor
stiff dune
Anyone got a milsim spetsnaz kit list for bf4
rocky falcon
finally the africa selection is out in #220326362077069323 @wary mason
solid hinge
@languid forge They did a R2BF1 once and they had it available later on for a mission so Im sure R2BFV should have another in case you missed it.
icy sluice
I bless the rains down in Aaaaaaaaaaaa
wide rain
Anyone here that can help me out with this particular queation? "I still dont quite understand the difference between recoil and accuracy. For example in the beta you could choose between better accuracy or less vertical recoil. What is the better choice here? I thought lesser recoil, because random spread is gone."
icy sluice
Recoil is how much your gun jumps when firing
solid hinge
^
stiff dune
@wary mason do you know if bf5 is gonna have custom/rentable servers at launch
rocky falcon
already 1 person has picked the africa location
solid hinge
Accuracy is just how accurate the shots will be when fired off.
solid hinge
I'm looking forward to driving the Tiger I
icy sluice
I hear the drums echoing tonight~
wide rain
@solid hinge what do you mean how accurate? In BFV where you aim is where your bullets will go right?
hoary condor
@rocky falcon 
wary mason
Unfortunately i have no idea about that π But I sure hope for rentable servers on launch @stiff dune
solid hinge
Yeah @wide rain pretty much
icy sluice
Where is North Pole 
rocky falcon
hess this server needs central america too
solid hinge
@wide rain Just gotta remember there is bullet drop. Like with Sniper rifles for example.
rocky falcon
otherwise castro will be offended
stiff dune
@wary mason any info on hardcore settings ?
wide rain
So what would be the better choice than lesser recoil or better accuracy @solid hinge
solid hinge
Either way is up to how you like to play. Would you rather have good accuracy and bad recoil or good recoil and pretty decent accuracy?
Thats really the question you should ask yourself when looking at the difference my friend. ^-^ It's also as to how you use those to your advantage.
rocky falcon
topgunfigther
solid hinge
Yes T43r?
rocky falcon
that movie was bad
solid hinge
Lolol
rocky falcon
top gun
solid hinge
Meh I just chose this cause it had a decent ring to it when I played.
wide rain
Thanks for the info.
solid hinge
No problem MugZitch.
wispy locust
any idea when you level up in the Beta release, all your unlocked weapons will carry forward into the actual game release?
prime ocean
Anyone want to play BF1 with me?
proud parrot
:nowhezee
hoary condor
I would do @prime ocean but currently stuck at work 
hoary condor
not as real life as fortnite
harsh rapids
Drake sounds good
I like dabbing
Too
Are there women in ww2 ?
I like women and blood
They both make me horny
pseudo saffron
violet locust
In case anyone has any questions about the Tokens in the Road To BFV challenges this week: https://www.battlefield.com/news/battlefield-5-stage-5-announcement
"As part of the weekly rewards, players can also earn two Battlefield V Soldier Tokens by playing Battlefield 1. These tokens can unlock two of eight Special Soldier Sets available in Battlefield V. These sets let you customize your British Special Air Service or German Airborne troops. For the remaining six sets, you can get one Soldier Token for pre-ordering Battlefield V and five for purchasing the Battlefield V Deluxe Edition. These tokens can unlock the remaining sets."
solid hinge
@wispy locust No actually the Beta is a development stage so anything you unlock in the beta stays in the beta. Now however if you are talking about a release trial before the actual game comes out like they did with BF1 then yeah you could keep unlocked guns, ranks, etc.
sullen mist
Premium pass and the other two faction dlcs are free again?
rocky falcon
@upbeat flicker
pulsar valve
blame the article
jade oriole
Again with the heckin MP28 and Selbaster skins?!
rocky falcon
free premium again?
sullen mist
Also fuck I need to grind that paratrooper gear
violet locust
Yes, but there's also Tokens for cosmetic stuff in BFV π
rocky falcon
can everyone spam @upbeat flicker to buy origin access
violet locust
If you read the article I posted above π
solid hinge
Anyone for Battlefield 3 co op?
hoary condor
need more Russian skins... π
languid forge
@solid hinge Thank!
solid hinge
No problem.
plucky quarry
ROFL i got kicked from Sec8 server. Different guy got kicked for saying dingdong.
I got kicked for saying that a dingdong was a hostess product
sometimes I join their servers just to get kicked for something absurd
small perch
that's life. I got banned from enaw servers for asking why their admin was threatening some players on the server. "Do not interfere with admins"
lusty flare
Jumping inw ith this random idea....
My idea if Battlefield V for example would re-introduce the Fedorov with a Russian DLC they should make a challange in Battlefield 1 to unlock it
that way both games would have life...
They should make various challanges in Battlefield 1 for Battlefield V when Battlefield V is out, like customization stuff....
Stuff thats a bit related with world war 1, like a Luger or Mauser skin or M1911 even...
Simmilar to what they are doing with the road to battlefield v challanges
solid hinge
icy sluice
I love pissing off the entire team as a tank and they all change to assaults to run at me with anti tank stuff
Defending the only point we have on operations and it was just wave after wave of the same 4 assaults
plush flume
@icy sluice i am proud to say i am one of those people if you piss me off to much haha
worn cave
noble current
@elder anchor Follow this link to know how to report: https://help.ea.com/uk/help/faq/report-players-for-cheating-abuse-and-harassment/
Please do not post a picture of a cheaters name again!
elder anchor
Thank you @noble current was new and didn't knew I'm not supposed to post screenshots like that. Won't happen again π
noble current
No problem 
zealous void
we did it reddit
dense bone
good
anything to cut vehicles down a bit
lame for tripwires
fucking hate AFK kills
solid hinge
during first days I saw like 20 next to each other. not sure what happened there
no ammo boxes nearby
Lol
dense bone
like get in early? can i get it for just pre ordering base game or does it have to be delux?
toxic briar
I'm conflicted on whether to get BFV or FO76 first
solid hinge
you get to play like 4 ish days before normal version with deluxe
if you pay for premium access, you get to play on ninth day
dense bone
idk what premium access is
solid hinge
its EA subscription
dense bone
oh, nah i dont want that
i think i just want to buy base game, idc about getting in early
solid hinge
"ORIGIN ACCESS PREMIER"
dense bone
i just started destiny 2 and i wanna try the new dlc
regal sapphire
Jesus Panzer you seem like an ass
dense bone
yea i just dont care to do that
if theres a free trial ill try it xD
other than that id rather just pay for the 1 game
solid hinge
ah theres nothing free in EA world
charred marsh
I bought the Deluxe version but will never pay monthly to EA, ever, for anything.
frank kiln
Not so sure if I'll buy BF V with the current reviews out there
dense bone
what review?!
icy sluice
"reviews" there aren't any
The game has to be out for there to be a review
Unless there were critic releases or whatever
dense bone
@frank kiln there are no officials reviews, those "reviews" are people opinions on a BETA
and imo, a lot of peoples opinions on the beta are pure trash
tribal ledge
The game hasn't had its reviiew embargo yet
Mainstream gaming sites aren't allowed to publish the reviews yet
quick egret
beta reviews Β¨
tribal ledge
Theya re under NDA until the review embargo is lifted
Yeah. None of them are reviews
Just BETA impressions
icy sluice
And even then most of them are just putting in stupid things like "BF is dead" without giving like any other feedback and "WAMEN"
dense bone
i honestly dont see how anyone says bfv is way worse than bf1, i played bf1 after bfv beta and enjoyed bfv much more
tribal ledge
It's just all a buch of YouTube clickbait nonsense baleing BEAT impressions as "review"
quaint geyser
Are we still doing π ± urrency?
dense bone
yea, a lot of youtube videos talking about beta seem like a bunch of cucks pandering to the people whining about the drama around bfv
hardly anyone mentioned how the game played
because imo it feels fantastic
tribal ledge
.. I wouldn't go as far as calling it fantastic
The game surely has its issue
But yeah, I agree that most of it is nonsense clickbait
icy sluice
It was a beta so there were some issues
tribal ledge
Most of the garbageon YT is
icy sluice
And hey, for once, a beta is being used for fucking tweaking
Look at CoD, every time they have a beta, they look at NONE of the feedback pretty much
dense bone
bugs aside, movement and gunplay were the best that bf have felt
i dont see how anyone can argue against that
frank kiln
True it's on the beta. I'm talking about the YouTube reviews but also it opinion based. I do tend to agree with some of the things that they point out though but let's see the official overall reaction when it's released next month
icy sluice
They were mostly rating the beta, not the full game itself
agile leaf
i didnt get to play the beta so i have no opinion on it
frank kiln
Makes sense yeah @icy sluice
icy sluice
Also, Joe's video was mostly cringe, it looked like he was just going on the bandwagon of hate because he got hate on for 'defending' the game's 'hate'
frank kiln
@agile leaf same here I'm just going on what others say. Wasn't around when the beta was open
agile leaf
I was playing when the beta was open
I didnt have xbox live gold when it was open
So i never got to play
frank kiln
Pity especially if you knew you might have been able to
Think they'll hit us with a black Friday discount on BFV? LOL
agile leaf
I dont understand the concept that it was open beta yet people without xbox live gold couldnt play...which is stupid in my opinion
frank kiln
That's not really fair. I on the other hand wasn't close to my PS4 or any for that matter
sleek tartan
Am I the only one that thinks the beta was too unfinished?
agile leaf
Thats the point of the beta... @sleek tartan
sleek tartan
Not really
Maybe an alpha, or an early access game from steam
Not a prerelease showcase beta
dense bone
what do you mean by unfinished?
agile leaf
@frank kiln i believe the open beta not availible to everyone on xbox was more microsoft being money hungry then EA/Dice making that happen
sleek tartan
Many absent features, many non working as intended features, many unexpected bugs, scarcity of new features that they wanted feedback on.
agile leaf
That is the definition of BETA @sleek tartan
sleek tartan
Okay
dense bone
i mean, yea its beta
icy sluice
Well, Fortnite, you need Xbox Gold
keen swallow
can someone play with me 3 rounds of scavanger
icy sluice
Even though the game is free
dense bone
the core gameplay functioned great, had some bugs, but nothing to complain about during a beta
agile leaf
@icy sluice as of recently xbox gold is not required to play multiplayer but its needed for BFV open beta apparently
icy sluice
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
frank kiln
@agile leaf that's very much believable
agile leaf
With how microsoft is displayed nowadays
dense bone
hell previous launches of bf had more problems than the bfv beta
frank kiln
Really grateful I took the sony route
dense bone
imo theres very little reason to get an xbox
just build a pc and you get 90% of the xbox games
icy sluice
PS+ costs money doesn't it?
agile leaf
Honestly,at this point i (and hopefully many others) feel bad that Xbox players without gold didnβt get to play the bfv open beta
icy sluice
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I mean what's the point really?
Play a game for a week and that's it? Battlefield is mostly an Online game so...
You'll need PS+ or Gold to enjoy what most of the game is meant for.
spiral adder
I remember the good ole days when gold and ps+ wasn't neededπ
Now that consoles are the price of a mid/high end pc it makes me wonder what's the point is.
high quest
Hello there
tardy basin
General Kenobi!
restive talon
Really grateful i took the pc route 
undone lily
just donβt buy console lul
minor gale
red dead π¦
dense bone
yea...
that one hurts
im holding out
if they dont bring rdr2 to pc rockstar is dead to me
topaz atlas
Since when could you turn the M1903 experimental into an infantry rifle?
minor gale
this is gud
minor gale
violet locust
No I don't
minor gale
you will ilu π
violet locust
Lol
sleek tartan
violet locust
not sure if that's a good or bad thing π
sleek tartan
both at the same time
minor gale
Hormi is one of the good ones 
regal sapphire
Wonder how microtransactions are going to be implemented in Bf5
icy sluice
I reckon it will be pay to look good
hollow canyon
^
thorn condor
@topaz atlas since like a month ago
But it always spawns you in with the crappy pistol bullets when you die 
π‘
teal thistle
stomps in
zealous void
clomps in
teal thistle
stomps all over an ammo box
wut?
wary mason
teal thistle
π
thorn condor
@wary mason if I stomp, what you gonna do huh? 
You can't hurt me, I'm too powerful π‘
glass jewel
They let people into the backline, don't deal with snipers
Just so frustrating
And then bail when we start losing
sullen pulsar
Why is bf1 better then cod ww2 need opinions
icy sluice
CoD has random recoil.
So, as a result, a high RoF weapon will sometimes be a lazer beam and sometimes you won't be able to hit a barn
An example would be the Thompson.
The chance of you hitting something 20m away from you with continuous fire is all up to randomness
worldly iron
just pre-ordered BFV!
icy sluice
Another example would be the M1 Harland
Thanks autocorrect...
Garand*
Sometimes you're able to easily 2 tap a target, other times your gun kicks up to the moon.
worldly iron
For the empire!!!
icy sluice
Got my first Syringe kill by complete accident
There was a sniper right on a downed teammate, I meant to revive the player, but killed the sniper
sleek tartan
feels karma
honest dagger
Hi
slate citrus
jaunty fjord
Hello
sullen pulsar
Is there any zombie or survival mode in bf1?
pseudo saffron
Zombies in bf1 
sullen pulsar
I seen something on the web saying there was something like a survival mode... lol didnt think so
inland valley
maybe the co op mode will have something like zombies but i highly doubt it
solid hinge
Zombies in bf1???
What if they're tortured shellshocked soldiers who are driven insane by the gas
sullen pulsar
Good idea
solid hinge
that would make more sense for "zombies" bf1 but at the same time it's so insensitive
such a thing would have happened irl
alot of half - dead soldiers probably spent an eternity rotting, half alive and insane on no mans land
So they're like "zombies"
solid hinge
there's a splitscreen mod for one of the bf games
It's probably PC only
I would love a zombies mod for bf1 / any bf frostbite game since project reality bf3 is a thing
icy sluice
After annihilating the enemy team it autobalanced me to their team, thankfully I was able to swap back because fuck that shit
icy sluice
Actually have like only 10 kills with it, I still prefer the Ribeyrolles or MP18 Trench
icy sluice
I use the Gasser over that
topaz atlas
Do you have it
icy sluice
No, but I picked it up before and disliked it really.
topaz atlas
You gotta learn to love it
topaz atlas
It is tho
desert dune
Cei Rigotti is a good starting gun for Medics
solid hinge
It's nice
I like alot of the semi - automatics / not really bolt actions and not really machine gun rifles for medic
they allow you to not spray and pray and sorta just make your shot
there's some skill in it
Which makes it very satisfying than just spraying with an automatico
icy sluice
Oh yeah, I can't say that
solid hinge
I saw that for a split second
topaz atlas
Is anyone in the BFEE server?
icy sluice
It looks stupid to do all that weapon movements running around in Battlefield
More distracting and in the way than the Madsen MG
solid hinge
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I'm on PC so I use alot of bolt actions
on console alot of players might use smgs because they're easier, right?
desert dune
It's true I see more SMG on consoles
icy sluice
^
desert dune
RSC Factory is ridiculously difficult to use but it's my favorite medic gun
jade oriole
^ that and the Selbaster.
icy sluice
RSC is great in close to med range
desert dune
My Defensive Medic combo is that gun and the Mle 1903 to make up for the speed in case I'm in a pitch
icy sluice
One thing I find funny, once the peacekeeper was shown, I got killed with it... once
No one uses it
Gee, I wonder why.
Haven't used the Kar98k, too busy using the FG42, M30, Turner's and the Suomi
btw, Parabellum is still one of my favorite MGs in the game
topaz atlas
2 fast
fathom pebble
You cant ads so dw think the parabellum can still be better
topaz atlas
JJ
topaz atlas
Can you go to the BFEE server and use that bot command to that shows your BF1 stats?
fathom pebble
No dunkin
icy sluice
Mount it like you would your favorite girl
topaz atlas
fathom pebble
Also dont like the fact u are only able to ads wheb using the bipod
Makes ot pointless as an agressive support
topaz atlas
Y u bully me
icy sluice
It's not meant to be an aggressive weapon though
If you're able to ADS like that, you are a mountain of a man
fathom pebble
Because u using the battlefield chat to ask me stuff from another server @topaz atlas
icy sluice
Heckin' Captain' 'Murica Super Serum to do that shit
topaz atlas
fathom pebble
I just dislike it, for me its a weapon I'll pass even though I like it.
topaz atlas
So you can only ads while you have the bi-pod equipped and set up? for heavier MGs?
icy sluice
Yeah like MG42 and MG34
topaz atlas
Interesting
fathom pebble
Its for camping porpuses, if u wanna be an aggresive and push to capture flags u got use a 20 mag lmg
topaz atlas
for an MG42, thats like 4 seconds of shooting
fathom pebble
Sry not camping. Defensive
I mean barrel overheats so you cant just spray all the mag or as muchas u want
icy sluice
I can see people using it offensively
If anything, might need a Repetierpistole to rely on
pseudo saffron
Its not camping, its tactical waiting
icy sluice
lol, I can imagine like 2 people wathing C in Rotterdam in the highest level with fucking MG42s
A panzerfaust would get rid of them tho
thorn condor
@pseudo saffron Tactical waiting π‘
You should be ashamed of yourself
#banFlexxster
sullen pulsar
Is there much bullet drop in bf1 that I need to worry about?
gusty wigeon
I HATE bullet drop
compact oxide
It's not that hard to deal with, just aim up off target a little
Velocity is my kicker, as leading moving targets can be hard if they've got the strafing down
obsidian fossil
compact oxide
True, I tend to use high clip weapons now though so I can quickly adapt my aim
hoary condor
I prefer to sniper, if close up I always run with support not assault.. I don't like the equipment for assault
hoary condor
sleek tartan
Bullet penetration on today's blog. 
hoary condor
link?
minor gale
Giving hormigaz headshots from outside 
hoary condor
sleek tartan
Aw, now that I think about it
hoary condor
not to keen on the sliding around...
I like the idea of building things once a house as been knocked down
next swan
What do you guys think of BFV?
sleek tartan
sleek tartan
BF4>BF3>BC2>BF1>BFV
next swan
Pls serious answer
sleek tartan
Okay, serious answer.
Battlefield V breaks with the latests examples of the franchise in various ways, seeking for a more hardcore and teamplay based experience.
It tries to achieve so through some forced dynamics, such as paper scissor rock balance to weapons, classes and vehicles and an attrition system that forces players to seek resupply in loops as opposed to a sustained encounter as before.
It has also raised the level of difficulty in use for the weapons with a few changes done to the gunplay, mainly being suppression beinh changed to a visual effect only and the substitution of spread for recoil and predictable patterns
On top of this, it has tried to evolve some dynamics present in the game that were lacking comparatively to top examples in the market, being one example movement.
Which has been expanded to allow for more player control and interactivity with the enviroment and his capability to make decisions that are variated
hoary condor
I feel BFV shows imagination and depth into a war that was so brutal and harsh. I feel as Dice have really tried to capture that as well as making it a fair online game for players. Vehicles are not too powerful or easily defeated. The gameplay from what I have seen looks similar to BF1 but with added enhancement's as they have mentioned in a previous blog. Over-all it's a game I cannot wait to get my hands on and see how the dynamics and mechanics of the game play out
sleek tartan
A different way in which has broken with the previous titles is the customization of weapons and soldiers that now is locked behind a grind currency and level unlocking
trail flame
Harsh unless you play support with the M30, in which case it's a literal blast when you airburst your own grenades next to people
gets a poggers from me dawg
hoary condor
the community support and release/s are great, doing the blog shows us what they are actually doing, which is a nice personal touch
chucking grenades back will come in handy..
presuming we have gas in bfv?
sleek tartan
Other than that is just a battlefield
trail flame
Don't think gas is a thing
hoary condor
should be.. wasn't it used in ww2?
sleek tartan
You can expect fokin noobs not doing their job, cheaters, pro vehicle users, pro infantry users, and a bit (lot) of salt in the chat
trail flame
Dunno, just it wasn't listed in the grenades they're adding last I checked
hoary condor
doesn't seem to be there still..
desert dune
Gas was used in WWII, just not in combat.