willow osprey
But it works
#battlefield-legacy-titles
tribal ledge
Jesus
I need a BF4 key
But they're $20 on Origin?!
Ias that standard edition or with all the DLC?
plush flume
misty sparrow
how often do you guys scrap skins in bf1?
merry shore
why is the game so dead? i filter the servers to domination and sort by player count and the most populated server has only 2 people in
merry shore
bf1 pc
merry shore
but thats my favourite gamemode
merry shore
i hate conquest because of the vehicles
someone always has the 80-1 score
and i also love playing medic
merry shore
no its just domination one of the most fun gamemodes anyway
i remember playing it a lot on bo2 and every lobby u joined was full
misty sparrow
hey its just one of those days
most days its 50/50 people playing domination or tdm
i saw rush servers, give that a try
merry shore
i wanted to grind 40k points cuz of the event items
zealous void
misty sparrow
languid forge
If I've missed a specific R2BFV dog tag, then I'm SOL unless it turns up in another week's awards right?
sullen mist
misty sparrow
zlo?
wary mason
That's a 3rd party client which definitely is not supported or given help to
misty sparrow
ohi hess
wary mason
Hi š
misty sparrow
nice profile pic 
wary mason
it's spookymonth
thorn wolf
new weapon types being added through tides of war
interesting
what kind of types do you guys think could be added? Im thinking heavy sniper rifles with the Boys
hoary condor
dense bone
yea it would be absolute bs if dice only added heavy snipers and ignored the rest of the classes
it will be a good mix
thorn wolf
Well i wasnt saying it would be only heavy sniper rifles
Im just interested, because it seems like they have all the bases covered in terms of weapon types
dense bone
and they should at launch
idk anything gun wise about the era so i dont really care what they add
id pref have a smaller gun base of balanced / varied guns
but i think most people want as much as possible
thorn wolf
why not both
dense bone
my main thing would be diverse guns that are balanced, balancing being the most important
south lynx
@thorn wolf I hope the AT rifles aren't treated as heavy sniper rifles. They shouldn't be.
dense bone
just off beta the medic class had 3 guns that worked basically exactly the same
misty pawn
ok,i see.
south lynx
If they're going to add them, either make them proper AT weapons and give them to assaults, or make them a way for recons to have AT at the expense of not being able to put optics on them.
thorn wolf
i agree
misty pawn
how much bf 1 in steam and origin????
dense bone
bf1 not i steam
misty pawn
lol
dense bone
origin was less than 10 dollars recently
i got the base game with all content for 9 bucks a monthish ago
south lynx
I'd love to see AT rifles as a class of weapons added. Suppressed SMGs were teased in the original concept for archetypes, I'd like to see some form of suppressed weapons. Welrod pistol, De Lisle Carbine, etc.
misty pawn
Who is play in Arma 2 - 3????
misty pawn
sorry but i see that in batlfield group
south lynx
Japanese and Russian weapons being added to the mix would be cool too. PPS-43, TT-33, Arisaka, Nambu LMG, etc.
misty pawn
@south lynx yea ??
thorn wolf
AT rifles as a class would be cool. As a gadget it would be strange to see an assault lugging around a Boys as well as all his other gear. But then again the assault in BF1 did lug around the AT Rocket Gun 
south lynx
Also, I want those stupid anti-tank pole mines the Japanese used. I don't care if they were nearly always lethal to the user.
misty pawn
ok
south lynx
The assault in BFV is going to be lugging a PIAT, or a Panzershreck, or a brace of Panzerfausts anyways.
thorn wolf
Lunge mines? oh jeez
south lynx
So lugging an AT rifle isn't really going to be any more outlandish.
thorn wolf
true
thorn wolf
also is this what you were talking about?
south lynx
Yep.
thorn wolf
those would be fun to use against soldiers 
south lynx
Really I just want to be able to knife tanks. And that's the closest I'm gonna get.
misty pawn
subtle hollow
More vehicles to use plox
thorn wolf
i want my M10 TD pls
subtle hollow
More is gud
thorn wolf
and Mustang
subtle hollow
Like 12 or so on the field
south lynx
Oh yeah, I really want them to replace the Valentine AA with the actual Crusader AA that existed.
subtle hollow
Not a puny number of 6
thorn wolf
Hamada is probably going to be tank focused
south lynx
Valentine AA is a completely made-up vehicle, that 40mm Bofors turret was used on the Crusader.
M10? M18 for life.
thorn wolf
it would be nice to see them change that to the Crusader AA
south lynx
Hellcat, bestcat.
south lynx
M10 is an earlier TD.
thorn wolf
south lynx
3" gun mounted on the running gear of an M3 Lee.
Hand-cranked turret.
M18 was a brand new running gear, much higher top speed, power traverse.
M10 was basically the same speed as a Sherman.
Just with a punchier gun.
thorn wolf
Yeah id like to see the Hellcat in the game
south lynx
M18 also used the 76mm, which was for all practical purposes nearly identical to the 3" in terms of ballistics, but redesigned to work better in the confines of a turret.
Assuming the US will probably get added, I'm hoping to see the M4(75), M4(105), and M4 Jumbo. Maybe if we're really lucky, the Croc or Calliope.
thorn wolf
Calliope would be nutty
south lynx
M4(76) would also be good I guess, but I'm a sucker for the stumpy guns.
There was an M4A3(75)HVSS model produced in small numbers that would be crazy fun to have.
Air-wise I want a P-47. Don't care if it's a razorback or a bubble canopy.
Also, totally want a Russian P-39
If they add Russia and we don't get the SU/ISU-152 I'll be sad.
thorn wolf
looks like that might be a reinforcement
thorn wolf
I think the Lightning would be a good attack plane for the 'Muricans
bold inlet
HEy GuyS!
dense bone
yo
bold inlet
How are you ?
dense bone
pretty good, weather is fucking beautiful finally so thats awesome
(i live in arizona, usually 100f + most of them time)
carmine frost
Lucky you.
violet locust
Twitter
kind prawn
i wanna suicide charge with a hafthallodung
icy sluice
I wanna redeploy
pale plank
They need to keep the Mosin rifle in bfV because the Soviets couldnāt afford shit
solid hinge
"Even if 1 bullet from the 1200RPM MG-42 does a measly 5 damage, you will still be dead in 1 second"
I really wonder how they are going to balance this
didnt devs want guns to have 333ms ttk?
stg has 300ms?
worn cave
@solid hinge By not being able to move when you're actually able to hit anything lol
dense bone
theres no way they are balancing guns by having them all have the same TTK
worn cave
You have to remember that the more effective MMG players won't be watching large swaths of areas-- you make a firing cone that minimizes exposure to enemy snipers and focus in on a hot spot. You won't just be an OP map zone holder while prone if you leave yourself exposed, which most people will by climbing up on fortifications and ploppng over the highest point of sandbags haha
worn cave
I mean what's the concern?
solid hinge
what was the word for one mg tactic
something in french
its like nest but on the side of a cover
worn cave
no idea dude lol
solid hinge
its almost like this. you can only see mg just before the "cover"
ahh
found it @worn cave
"Enfilade and defilade"
worn cave
Oh right, sure I've heard "in defilade" before
the protection of a position, vehicle, or troops against enemy observation or gunfire.```not same damage model
kind prawn
well i guess they would have to make whatever adjustments to compensate right?
solid hinge
mg3 was pretty low damage gun at bc2
worn cave
BC2 is really not relevant when discussing BFV as far as TTK and weapons at all lol
solid hinge
yes
worn cave
other than yeah that gun had an insane ROF and ripped haha
solid hinge
one thing I can imagine already is having mmg set up next to enemy flag
or if youre having squad with you, set mg in corner of a flag
one thing I dont understand with tanks tho
they always turn towards you if you shoot at the with mg
worn cave
What I don't get is when infantry fires small arms at vehicles in BF1 lol
"yes OK I will shoot you, fine"
š¤
kind prawn
maybe they saw it in company of heroes 2
topaz atlas
solid hinge
I mean its good tactic
they always turn around
if tank is after support and not friendly assaults, thats a win in my book
worn cave
I'm definitely going to put this on my list of things to try with my friends on release lol, I'll MG in front of the tank and you approach from the opposite side :V
solid hinge
add mg42 to that equation
spray tank optics with 50 rounds and triggering is guaranteed
worn cave
I wonder if we can figure out where exactly that optic position is at
guess experimentation with friends on empty servers
would be inSANE if the armory/training map featured a free for all mode with party members lol
worn cave
it'll be sufficient to just shoot a burst in front of them then pepper their sides
solid hinge
gun is at right side of gunners view
so aim at right side of the frontal turret plate
not sure where is the zoom
shrewd zinc
damn, was hoping the next stage of road to bfv would release today
tomorrow i'm going somewhere for the rest of the week
undone lily
ripperino
bold inlet
RIP
zealous void
Moderator link broken
jade oriole
^
lunar lion
Yes fixing
lunar lion
blame @rose pilot for that
icy sluice
"Ya done fucked it up"
zealous void
nibbas how do you not pre test a link
test whatever
vote for me as moderator
i will not let such horrible mistakes happen under my rule.
pulsar valve
spiral prism
shitpost about battlefield in #battlefield-legacy-titles
thorn wolf
Question: will the pistols have upgrade paths? cause i'd like to see the C1911 and Po8Artillerie/carbine come back in a way
zealous void
c1911?
thorn wolf
the pilot 1911 with the extended magazine and folding stock
jovial forge
Needs more revolvers for high noons
jade oriole
Probably means that totally serial production 1911 that definitely wasn't a one-off modification.
Needs an Oberez.
jovial forge
Actually more revolvers not tied to a easter egg or any weapon for that matter
thorn wolf
yea true
jade oriole
Harper's Ferry flintlock for Phantom program 2.0
dense bone
i want my spumoni =[
jovial forge
Looking forward to rocking a Thompson with the drum mag.
thorn wolf
thatll be fun
dense bone
spumoni with drum mag
jovial forge
I've been told weapons like the M1 Garand will pop up roughly during a US update since its following chronological order. Worries me still that something famous will get ties behind a easter egg again.
Sorta but not 100% sure tho
thorn wolf
maybe we'll get a hunting bow for an easter egg
merry ivy
im still annoyed that medic isnāt getting good range weapons
the enemy frontline isnāt always in SMG distance
sometimes it can be 50 metres away or more
thorn wolf
theyll have weapons other than SMGs
merry ivy
then Iām fucking useless
because all I have is an SMG
and I canāt both shoot at people and heal at the same time
thorn wolf
merry ivy
unless enemies are getting all in our shit, which in that case I donāt have the time to enter revive animations
shrewd zinc
i have a small question if anyone knows the answer
i have battlefield V deluxe already
but if i wanted to play it on Nov 9th, would I need origin access Basic, or Premium?
cause origin access basic gives you a 10-hour trial, but I think that's only if you haven't already bought the game?
zealous void
Nope, you get 10 hours from 9th period
But then you can play it when it releases after 10 hours is over
or get premier to play it right from the 9th
but i dont know when it ends or if it does
surely does but idk
shrewd zinc
huh
remote ledge
new mods? this mean new events on discord for bfv? š¤
shrewd zinc
i have got some work potentially on the 2nd so I should be able to afford premium then
zealous void
Nope, just an influx of players due to the release in a month
shrewd zinc
cause i want to play it right when it first 'releases'
so i don't have to spend 6 days watching videos of gameplay, and just get to do it myself 
dense bone
i love that medic is short range, has a lot of decisions to make, and imo puts them in a more likely situation of healing
dense bone
same with attrition, limited stuff made most people hunker around supply drops, which were by obectives
shrewd zinc
yeah i liked attrition
dense bone
i loved how many people were on obj
dense bone
i did, but i used the suomi
remote ledge
about the origin access premium, if the service is unavailable in my region how can I do to play day 9?
shrewd zinc
i just wish they spawned us with the extra mag without increasing the max capacity
dense bone
so i spewed 50 bullets in like 10 seconds
shrewd zinc
so like you start with three mags and three mags is still the total amount
woulda made more sense to me tbh
why isn't it available dedo?
dense bone
ehh, i liked the system
remote ledge
star, IDK. Origin Access Basic is avalible, but the Premium version no...
shrewd zinc
yeah the system was fine before nypho
merry ivy
if medics donāt get any decent range options I will move to support
shrewd zinc
but since they changed it, i wish that's what they did instead
merry ivy
oh well
shrewd zinc
SMGs are still decent at long range
merry ivy
its decently usable
shrewd zinc
I was rekking with the Sten from atleast 30m away
merry ivy
compared to the laser beam experience I had with the Bren
merry ivy
reload and other speed upgrades went great with it
remote ledge
on south america we only have the option to pick the basic edition š¦
shrewd zinc
I hope they add the Owen Mk 1 and the Charlton Automatic Rifle
dense bone
spumoni was the first medic gun that i just loed
merry ivy
because only the suomi had actual advantages over the STD 44 and LMGs
shrewd zinc
huh, that's weird dedo
it doesn't state whether it's basic or premium though, so it could just be premium
dense bone
@merry ivy that could be it, i had a chance vs the stg
not at range though, but up close i did
merry ivy
the other SMGs felt as bleh as the MP18
shrewd zinc
what happens if you click here dedo https://www.origin.com/aus/en-us/store/origin-access
also the MP18 is great in BF1
dense bone
i like the madsen
shrewd zinc
yeah but that isn't an assault weapon last time i checked
merry ivy
yes, so you get ammo forever instead
remote ledge
I redirected do brazilian store and I can see this
remote ledge
If i click on Join Origin Acess I have only the options of the last screenshot
icy sluice
I usually don't use Trench variants in the Support Class
dense bone
i really hope they dont give bfv vehicles the power they have in bf1
remote ledge
I think this is not a bug, probably the Premium edition is not avaliabre (yet) on my region
remote ledge
maybe soonā¢
shrewd zinc
that page should list the benefits
and nypho, tbh vehicles should be pretty powerful
considering there aren't that many in most matches it should def make a difference
dense bone
sure, but they feel oppressive in bf1
shrewd zinc
lol what
dense bone
bf1 vehicles are too powerful imo
shrewd zinc
never really felt that
the mark V is really cool, I like how it has additional power but requires more teamwork to use
dense bone
im a very good infantry player, and i could be doing so much work, but it doesnt mean jack shit vs a decent vehicle player
shrewd zinc
it was actually used a couple times in WW2, so i hope we see it somewhere
and yes, vehicles should be scary
it shouldnt take a single infantry person to take down a vehicle
vehicles should make infantry run away in terror
thorn wolf
I just hope assaults cant solo ~75% of a tanks health like they can in BF1
yeah what you were saying yoshi
dense bone
thats the problem, theres no rock paper scissors scenario, infantry is just at a disadvantage unless you get a few people to work together to take out a single vehicle
thorn wolf
Also if they do Resistance DLCs wer could very well see Mark Vs and FT-17s again
dense bone
like infantry beats planes, planes beat tanks, tanks beat infantry
everything just shits on infantry with little skill
ive seen a lot of videos where infantry players get in a vehicle and just cheese and decimate the game
merry ivy
infantry can fit into tighter spaces
thatās the only advantage
and its a pretty situational one
shrewd zinc
the rock paper scissors here
is tanks good against lone infantry
teams of infantry good against tanks
merry ivy
nobody thinks about calvary
merry ivy
oh this is BFV not BF1
dense bone
in bf3 and bf4 vehicles were scary, but i didnt feel frustrated knowing one was near
thorn wolf
ngl i wouldnt mind cavalry being back in BFV
dense bone
imo thats the difference
shrewd zinc
yeah cavalry was cool
but obviously it should be accurate
like the Mark Vs
the soviets used exactly 4 Mark Vs in 1941
thorn wolf
This game seems to be modeled after BF3 so hopefully thats the case
shrewd zinc
so I think they should be like a pre-spawned set of Mark Vs in that one specific battle if it's featured
merry ivy
I shit on heavy tanks with limited gun range as calvary
especially landships
poor things
shrewd zinc
the Battle of Berlin also featured a couple Mark Vs
thorn wolf
in BF3 and 4 vehicles felt more common tho
jade oriole
Wink wink
thorn wolf
Tanks feel rare in BF1
shrewd zinc
which is fair
dense bone
so make vehicles common but less oppresive
thorn wolf
Not in a good way either
shrewd zinc
they were rare in WW1
dense bone
^
shrewd zinc
vehicles should definitely be oppressive in BFV
it's literally the point of vehicles
dense bone
if it is, my time spent with bfv will be short spent
dense bone
like its been said, bf3 and 4 did them different and it worked
thorn wolf
I think the vehicles in BFV should be easy to play but hard to master, and atleast more common than in BF1
dense bone
i dont think i ever complained about vehicles in those games
shrewd zinc
well guess what, they're from an entirely different time period
thorn wolf
they shouldnt be oppresive and invincible
dense bone
game enjoyment vs accuracy?
shrewd zinc
like spawning a vehicle should be able to significantly help your team push an objective
shrewd zinc
i remember when we were playing Breakthrough on narvik
shrewd zinc
I'd have the tank at one objective to help cover it, while we sent about 75% of the infantry for the other
also lmao what
most of the time when a team gets behemoths it's already too late
they lose anyway
thorn wolf
nah
dense bone
i had an enemy team get it when we were ahead by 150
shrewd zinc
cause of BF1s dumb Conquest system
dense bone
it was like 550-700
shrewd zinc
for me they always get it like, right at the end of the round
dense bone
nopes
shrewd zinc
when they're like 300 points behind
dense bone
they got it early, and won by 50ish
shrewd zinc
i'm not denying it happened for you
thorn wolf
the best is when an enemy team gets the behemoth when your team is about to win
shrewd zinc
i'm telling you what happened to ME
icy sluice
I like seeing Enemy Behemoth right before Victory
dense bone
cool sure
icy sluice
š
dense bone
but stupid
shrewd zinc
like just seeing that giant dreadnought or airship
shrewd zinc
i mean they sorta worked for operations i suppose
dense bone
never got to play, since everyone likes conquest
shrewd zinc
yep
dense bone
i got the game after bfv beta
dense bone
bfv beta is waaaaaaaay more enjoyable than bf1
shrewd zinc
i basically had no interest in battlefield before the controversey of bfv
dense bone
id rather pay for beta than bf1
shrewd zinc
after that i saw gameplay and was like 'hey this is kinda cool'
and bf1 was $15 so i decided to buy it while waiting for bfv
right now i'm mostly playing infantry modes though
cause BF1 conquest is meh
south lynx
If you've got no BF experience before BF1, I gotta say I don't really respect your views on vehicles much.
dense bone
yea i got bf1 for 10 bucks with all dlc. just dont care for bf1
thorn wolf
I like BF1 but im ready for BF5
dense bone
took a long time just to enjoy it
south lynx
The generally-acclaimed best game in the series was great specifically because vehicles could be soloed.
They were stupid powerful offensively, and if you were out of position with them you got fucked.
shrewd zinc
plenty of people who have played BF4 also don't want vehicles to be soloable
thorn wolf
yeah but they were way more common
icy sluice
I had just finished fighting for The Great War and I am being drafted into World War II, FML!
south lynx
3/4ths of the classes had the option to carry enough AV firepower to nuke a tank in one go.
thorn wolf
sometimes it really do be that way
dense bone
@south lynx ive played bf 3 and 4 before
shrewd zinc
when do we see Jack Foster in BFV
south lynx
3 and 4 were insanely vehicle dominant.
shrewd zinc
ophi that doesn't sound like a good thing
icy sluice
I am dominant 
south lynx
BC2 is generally held to be a high water mark.
thorn wolf
BF4 was so dang clunky
dense bone
i dont think they were a problem
shrewd zinc
having that much firepower on one person really does not sound like a good thing
thorn wolf
because vehicles werent so rare
south lynx
Assaults and recons had to get to point blank to use C4, but could solo tanks.
Engineers (Who had launchers) could two-shot a tank from the rear.
shrewd zinc
i've also heard a ton of stuff about BF4 weapons being OP with stuff like lock-on missiles and whatever
honestly BF4 doesn't sound as great as everyone makes it out to be
especially with the entire year where it just didn't work
shrewd zinc
another situation of rose-tinted glasses
south lynx
Not really.
shrewd zinc
i've heard other people mention this too
that if we actually got a remastered BC2 that was exactly the same, everyone would hate it
south lynx
I've played 'em all. BC2 did balance better than most.
shrewd zinc
because it isn't actually as great as people said it was
south lynx
Only scrubs who didn't play since the beginning would hate it.
thorn wolf
BC2 is widely remarked to be the best BF
shrewd zinc
no prone, controls like an oil tanker, unbalanced weapons etc.
south lynx
Because your reference point is shit like BF1.
shrewd zinc
this is not MY reference point
south lynx
Where vehicles are just fucking reaping engines.
shrewd zinc
i'm referring to other people who have said this
south lynx
Shit like BF1.
shrewd zinc
someone who likely played BC2
thorn wolf
ok have fun boys
south lynx
BC2 overall had a few flaws, mostly introduced by devs to counter whiners. But on the whole it was the most solid all-around game.
Map design was generally excellent, with a few exceptions. Vehicle balance was good. They were powerful but not sustainable without actual fucking teamwork. Class balance and weapon selection were both good, with gadgets going on kits in ways that both made sense, and encouraged teamwork and aggressive play.
Auto-repairing BS like in 3 and 4, or self-repair BS like in 1 wasn't a thing.
shrewd zinc
from what I read some of the gadgets were way too overpowered
south lynx
You wanted to get health back, find someone with a goddamned drill.
shrewd zinc
and obviously console port meant it controlled terribly
as people have said, oil tanker simulator
south lynx
Which gadgets were supposedly OP?
shrewd zinc
the problem is that this was an obscure youtube comment
i doubt i'm going to find it again
south lynx
So you have no idea then.
shrewd zinc
i don't remember what video this was in
icy sluice
Why is exchange just legendary pistols and the French Two Tone?
south lynx
You saw one person complaining.
shrewd zinc
i've seen several people mention that it wasn't what it was made out to be
and rose-tinted glasses is still a valid argument, you can even argue it for battlefield 4
because people treat battlefield 4 like it was perfect
even though it didn't even work for an entire year
toxic briar
Lmao
shrewd zinc
yet apparently it was great yet to many people bfv is terrible
so that's a classic case of rose-tinted glasses
south lynx
@shrewd zinc So you have no experience with it at all, just hearsay.
And yet you're vigorously defending random detractors with no evidence.
solid hinge
south lynx
That's stupid.
shrewd zinc
my point is that just because it's an 'old' game doesn't mean it's balance decisions were perfect and should be the benchmark
south lynx
I didn't say perfect.
I said better.
A lot better.
Their approach to vehicles was good.
Their approach to classes and gadgets was good.
south lynx
To you, the person who never played it.
shrewd zinc
i don't think a single soldier should have that much firepower
south lynx
What fucking hypocrisy.
shrewd zinc
yes, i could probably play it and enjoy it
but that doesn't mean it's the best possible option
shrewd zinc
one of the things about battlefield is the team
south lynx
But play it.
shrewd zinc
soloing a vehicle is not teamplay
south lynx
Give it an honest fucking evaluation.
Instead of parroting other people.
I'm ragging on you because you're talking out your ass. You have no experience to base your analysis on. Literally the only thing you've said that I can actually honestly engage with is your personal opinion that you think nobody should have that sort of firepower.
To which I reply: So why should tankers?
Why should pilots?
shrewd zinc
that is a valid question
south lynx
One soldier, massively more firepower than the rest of the team.
shrewd zinc
the mark V in BF1 (while bf1 isn't a good example), still actually required teamwork
cause you have a driver, but then you have teammates control the cannons
south lynx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCS5pYkvJ7Q Teamwork amirite?
The Mark V was the worst tank.
shrewd zinc
if they actually made tanks work like this, requiring more teamwork, then perhaps it would improve it
south lynx
The FT-17 support howitzer blows it out of the water.
Literally.
It three-shots all heavies.
shrewd zinc
yes, but i'm talking about the idea of the tank itself
independent of the game
the mark V requires teamwork to use
that should be a benchmark used for vehicles
south lynx
Oh, yes in abstract I agree. Driver/gunner division would improve the game.
sterile dagger
@shrewd zinc has a good point, a Mark V operated with teamwork outclasses a light tank any day
south lynx
Ideally for a WWII tank, driver/gunner/hull gunner(radioman)/commander(top gunner)
@sterile dagger Not really. FT-17 support howitzer will kill it faster than it can kill the FT-17
shrewd zinc
yeah, if the driver instead got the front gun, and the second crew member got the main gun, that could definitely add more teamwork for tanks
although i doubt that's gonna happen
south lynx
With the niche exception of a direct frontal engagement with a tank hunter that lands every shot from every gun.
sterile dagger
@south lynx a squad support or tank hunter landship would certainly beat a light tank if both side guns are being operated
south lynx
Nope.
I'm not talking about any other FT-17 variants but the howitzer.
Which, as I said, three-shots those tanks.
It also one-shot disables locations.
And it fires fast enough that it deals more relative health per second to them.
toxic briar
If you can get behind a howitzer it's fucked
south lynx
But in terms of actual head-to-head engagement, the landships lose.
sterile dagger
yes but squad support has the quick repair and tank hunter has the anti tank rifle in front
south lynx
Squad Support doesn't out-repair an FT-17.
I've done that dance, it dies.
The AT rifle on the TH is enough to tip the balance if both side guns also hit.
But it's not enough if one misses even once.
So yes, a perfectly played TH will take two hits from the howitzer tank and just barely kill it in time.
sterile dagger
i dont think the ft17 howitzer has the fire rate to keep up with a landship operating both cannons
south lynx
But one miss and they die.
sterile dagger
if the howitzer misses, its surely boned
south lynx
Sure, against a TH.
Not against the others.
If you miss twice you're in trouble, but if you're engaging smart you just back to a hull down position and relocate.
toxic briar
It's almost like
shrewd zinc
yeah, and it's difficult to do that
toxic briar
The howitzer is supposed to be a anti tank weapon
shrewd zinc
i often find that Mark V drivers tend to sit in a position where one of the cannons is useless
toxic briar
That close up doesn't work to well
shrewd zinc
but if perfectly played, and you can spam both cannons, then maybe
south lynx
Honestly the howie isn't bad at short ranges. It pivots fast enough that you have to get to hull contact range to out-turn it easily.
toxic briar
Man you really love arguing with everyone don't you about everything
south lynx
It's more positioning-dependent than a non-casemate, sure, but it's still one of the most flexible, powerful solo vehicles in the game. TBH I think it's the most game-changing ground vehicle.
@toxic briar No, just with people who are wrong. š
toxic briar
Which seems to be everyone you talk to
south lynx
Nah, just everyone I argue with.
shrewd zinc
i have the perfect picture for this hold on
south lynx
If you link XKCD...
toxic briar
Lmao
south lynx
Yeeaaaah. I freely admit that is me.
shrewd zinc
me too honestly
south lynx
Anyhow, point is. BF1 already gives soldiers insane solo firepower. We just call them tankers and pilots.
hybrid stirrup
If I buy an expansion pack on PS3 will it go to my PS4 in BF4
shrewd zinc
like i need to avoid looking at comments on BFV videos but nope, i do it every time
south lynx
If your point is that no one soldier should be able to turn the tide of battle, then defensively weak vehicles are actually more in keeping with your philosophy than the terrifically durable ones in BF1.
shrewd zinc
true
if vehicles were more team-orientated, then that would be something very different of course
hybrid stirrup
Can someone answer my question
shrewd zinc
though in my mind i tend to keep 'vehicles' and 'infantry' as two completely separate things
hybrid stirrup
south lynx
@shrewd zinc Well that's silly given that it's a combined arms game.
shrewd zinc
like i think 'infantry' should be strength in numbers, but not individually
cause that's how it is in reality right?
south lynx
Hahaha, no.
shrewd zinc
vehicles are rare, but they provide opportunity
toxic briar
In my experience bf1 vehicles die stupid fast, compared to bf4 ones
I may be trying to use a mark 5 like a T-90 tho
shrewd zinc
the one issue with vehicles dying fast though
south lynx
Vehicles provide mobility and firepower in open spaces. In urban environments, wooded environments, or marshy environments (Basically anywhere with short sight lines and/or compromised mobility) they're deathtraps.
shrewd zinc
is that it causes people to sit back and snipe with their vehicles
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
because they don't want their vehicle destroyed
and that can certainly be very annoying
toxic briar
But whenever I try to move up I die in like 3 seconds
south lynx
Shaped charges are devastating to vehicles.
@sullen vigil The Mark V is a bad pick if you're not on comms with a coordinated squad.
south lynx
Part of why I'm a proponent of the FT is that it's fully combat-capable solo, and its success rests on your skill, not the skill of whichever random idiots are in your sponsons.
toxic briar
Ya it's annoying to have either no one or randoms in your tank
shrewd zinc
yeah
south lynx
@shrewd zinc Yeah people hanging back is annoying, but it's the lesser of two evils.
And typically the counter to that is map design.
shrewd zinc
and i definitely think it's fun to aggresively push with a vehicle
south lynx
And once they hit a point of resistance, they dig in, fan out, and call for armor to take out the strongpoint.
shrewd zinc
without being mowed down by machine gun fire
south lynx
Nobody had any idea what the fuck they were doing with WWI, to be blunt.
shrewd zinc
true lmao
south lynx
They were writing the book as they went along.
shrewd zinc
but it certainly is quite fun to push with vehicles regardless
south lynx
Well I don't mean infantry tactics.
shrewd zinc
like breaking a choke point and watch all the infantry run around you to the battle up ahead
toxic briar
Ye
south lynx
Which were actually a lot more advanced than we give them credit for, at least by the latter portion of the war.
merry ivy
nice musk picture
toxic briar
Thanks
south lynx
Though there were a lot of bloody lessons learned early on.
merry ivy
thatās when he was higher than the roadster
south lynx
Armor though, that was a totally new field.
south lynx
@shrewd zinc Yeah breaking chokepoints is how vehicles should function, but they should still be vulnerable if they extend beyond their infantry screen.
south lynx
Well not completely. AT rifles worked fine through the mid-war period.
shrewd zinc
i mean if a tank pushes too far they will be surrounded by infantry
and at that point they should definitely be at a disadvantage
south lynx
Heck, the Panther very nearly got a total redesign because its sides were so thin they could be penned by PTRD/PTRS fire.
And that was a late-war tank.
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
but if they are pushing alongside their team, a single enemy should not be able to sneak in and take them down
south lynx
Hey, you take that back, the Pz. III was a reliable infantry tank...in 1940!
shrewd zinc
like i feel a tank should always try and stay near their teammates
shrewd zinc
it's like a mutual relationship
toxic briar
Oh ya a tank with some good engineers/support players is fucking terrifying
And good gunners
shrewd zinc
tanks help infantry move forward, infantry help ensure tank doesn't get destroyed
toxic briar
But that's a rare case
merry ivy
once a squadmate and I held down the entire enemy teamās tanks with calvary
toxic briar
Lmao
south lynx
German tanks were pretty awful TBH. The Pz. III and IV were the best of a bad bunch, and they still had weak armor and were undergunned initially. Reliability never really got solved, they retained their poor ergonomics throughout the war, and even when they got upgunned, they were generally thin boxes with a competitive but not outstanding gun.
shrewd zinc
and it sorta already works like that
merry ivy
german tanks were bad and the german tank production was shit too
shrewd zinc
cause in bfv, if you aren't careful and you get stuck behind enemy lines, you get destroyed pretty damn fast
toxic briar
The tiger was pretty good if it worked
south lynx
That's how it ought to be. TBH I'm looking forward to panzerfausting things when they have full locational damage in, rather than just the tracks like the beta.
merry ivy
I mean sure the Germans had the tiger and whatnot
toxic briar
Until the allies made better tank rounds
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
yeah
toxic briar
They tried to go for too high quality over quantity
shrewd zinc
i definitely think infantry should be able to take down tanks
merry ivy
sherman easy eights could easily take them down
south lynx
The Tiger was a good gun and a lot of armor, but it had massivestrategic mobility issues that sometimes bled over into tactical mobility.
merry ivy
and they were reliable tanks
shrewd zinc
but not just because they were lucky, but because they worked as a team, or the tank did not work as a team
toxic briar
Where the US and Russian tanks like the Sherman and 34 were a good balance
merry ivy
sherman was a perfect blend of maneuverability, armour and gun
shrewd zinc
like yes while a tank technically is giving one soldier more power than the rest
merry ivy
it was a great tank
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
they still should need to use that power to help their team
south lynx
The Tiger couldn't road march for example, it mostly had to go by rail, and the process for rail loading involved swapping the tracks out for narrow tracks in order to make it fit.
toxic briar
And could be modified for a number of things
merry ivy
meanwhile everyone says the sherman is bad becsause wehraboos only pay attention to big armour and big gun
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
what about that Sentinel tank though my guy
south lynx
Upside-down tanks don't count. š
toxic briar
While in a statistical standpoint a tiger/panzer may beat a Sherman almost everytime, the Sherman's didn't break down every ten miles
merry ivy
true tank intellectuals know that the best tank is the bob semple
toxic briar
^
south lynx
So...the Tsar Tank with an underslung gun then?
toxic briar
Ye
merry ivy
good target practice for sherman gunners
shrewd zinc
the A38 valiant is the best tank
merry ivy
japan in general paled in comparison to the US
merry ivy
cold fingers
south lynx
@toxic briar Well that's really not true. Tiger would beat a Sherman 75 in a head-to-head engagement. Odds in a 76 or 17-pdr equipped tank were much more even. Pz. III and IV really depend on specific revision and are generally worse than even.
toxic briar
Ya
Once the US got better guns on the shermans they generally did better at fighting the German tanks
merry ivy
and also, german fuel reserves in 1944
south lynx
Of course, you never encountered Shermans alone. They almost always had TDs lurking around somewhere, which really tilts things.
merry ivy
hahahahaha
shrewd zinc
imagine if they put the char 2c in bfv
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
it's funny how 6 of them got destroyed despite them never being used
shrewd zinc
they were being transported
toxic briar
Get your shit together
shrewd zinc
and got hit by germans i think
merry ivy
france was unprepared
shrewd zinc
cause they were mainly used as propaganda, like driving over trenches or whateve
merry ivy
they didnāt expect to have to attack
south lynx
French armor was actually pretty good for the time, it was just employed terribly.
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
but never actually got to be used
merry ivy
the french military was not bad
toxic briar
They had all they tanks in all the wrong places
merry ivy
but their strategy
shrewd zinc
they'll probably still put it in BFV
shrewd zinc
i mean it was put in BF1 and it was much less relevant in WW1
merry ivy
if they invaded germany properly at the beginning of the war
shrewd zinc
like maybe they'll make the Char 2c slightly weaker than BF1
and make it a squad call-in for French
merry ivy
instead of literally only attacking once and then sitting in trenches
they should have pushed deep into germany before they had time to react
shrewd zinc
oh yeah i saw a picture of a WW2 battlefield that resembles passchendale
hope they add that to BFV
cause passchendaele just looks so cool
toxic briar
Ye
shrewd zinc
like Devastation will be similar but not the same
merry ivy
people joke about france
toxic briar
It'd make more sense for the char B1 to be the French Heavy tank
merry ivy
but the average french soldier and their equipment was not bad
it was their overall strategy however
that was complete dogshit
shrewd zinc
i wonder if we'll actually get a french faction
i hope we get a 'resistance' faction
toxic briar
Also are they going to have the secondary cannons be available in tanks
shrewd zinc
would give DICE a good avenue for customisation
merry ivy
āhon hon hon je suis do not attack germany hon honā
toxic briar
Cuz a fair few had like a smaller cannon on them
shrewd zinc
the char b1 levi?
toxic briar
And then the main turret
toxic briar
Ye
merry ivy
I am offensive and this is very french
shrewd zinc
i wonder if it would still have 3 gunner seats like in bf1
toxic briar
Probably
shrewd zinc
would fit an entire squad and one rando lmao
toxic briar
Itd be neat to have the exposed top gunner seats
merry ivy
gib mine flail tonks
shrewd zinc
in BF1 the secondary cannon was like, the 20mm autocannon thing
toxic briar
With the HMG on tanks that have it
shrewd zinc
how many top gunner seats did the Char B1 have?
merry ivy
a tank with a giant rotating thing and a bunch of metal chains
toxic briar
I mean for like the shermans and stuff
shrewd zinc
o
toxic briar
That had the 50 on top
shrewd zinc
well the tanks in BFV have the exposed gunner seats
merry ivy
my hands are so cold
shrewd zinc
i see no reason why the Sherman wouldn't
merry ivy
help
toxic briar
I've heard some less then PC names for the mine flail tanks
merry ivy
send me warmth
toxic briar
Lit
merry ivy
thank you elon blunt
shrewd zinc
it just might be an upgrade on the tree
toxic briar
I haven't seen much game play
shrewd zinc
cause in the beta all of the tanks with top gunner seats had them as one of the upgrades
shrewd zinc
i find it funny how the sturmtiger fits an entire squad, but the churchill crocodile doesn't for some reason
toxic briar
Hmm
shrewd zinc
it hink they should add the top gunner for the churchill crocodile tank, I think that would bring it to 4 people total
toxic briar
I just want the soviets to have the katysha
merry ivy
farquhar even has an adjustable wooden foregrip for maximum WW1 tacticool
toxic briar
The rocket truck thingy
shrewd zinc
there should also be a thing where when you order in a squad vehicle
have itlocked to just your squad for like 1 minute
and then anyone can take it if you don't use it
merry ivy
a farquhar would be really fun to own because nobody would have a fucking clue what the hell you brought to the range when they see it
shrewd zinc
and also, if anyone in your squad dies in it, they get like 30 seconds to respawn in it before randos can, or just allow you to lock it so only squad members can spawn in it
south lynx
@shrewd zinc The top gunner was unlockable for a lot of tanks. I expect they're going to add call-ins to the company customization, so maybe we'll see top gunners in the future.
shrewd zinc
i still want a smokescreen as a call-in
and a regular arty strike
and white phosphorus of course
Day of Infamy-style
toxic briar
Ahh yes
south lynx
WP as smoke?
toxic briar
Totally legal
shrewd zinc
don't think WP was banned in WW2
south lynx
It wasn't, it predates the geneva conventions.
shrewd zinc
but i think WP was different to smoke when used as an arty strike
atleast in DOI it was
toxic briar
Actually I think it still is as they say they use it as smoke and if it kills someone that's not its intention
shrewd zinc
smoke didn't hurt anyone, WP burned them alive
shrewd zinc
there were also white phosphorus rockets for the Bazooka in DOI, and No 77 WP grenades
Dice has included the No 76 grenades, so I see no reason to not include the No 77s
south lynx
@shrewd zinc Depends on which side and what shells you're talking about, but hexachloroethane was a common allied smoke compound. Not as nasty as WP, but still not great to be breathing.
Some German shells used oleum, which is really nasty stuff.
shrewd zinc
also i wish they had No 79 smoke grenades instead of M18 smoke grenades, which weren't actually available in grey colour during WW2
plus weren't used by the british, while no 79 was
toxic briar
Hmmm
shrewd zinc
when I say White Phosphorus Ophi, I mean as like a separate option to smoke
that costs more as a call-in, but burns an entire area basically
like burns any person standing inside the smoke
shrewd zinc
yeah
shrewd zinc
i bet that the prologue is gonna have the flute theme at the end
toxic briar
Lmao
I bet it's gonna be all morally sound aswell
And they're gonna learn some dumbass lesson
shrewd zinc
now that i've said flute theme i'm imagining the shitty titanic flute
shrewd zinc
i dunno, did that really happen in the BF1 campaigns?
shrewd zinc
like i dunno if the characters really learned a lesson in BF1
it was just people died, and there was really no reason
because that's war
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
tbh i tear up every time at the ending of avanti savoia
toxic briar
The tank one was good
south lynx
@shrewd zinc I know what WP does, I was just discussing non-WP smoke compounds from the era.
shrewd zinc
i know a lot of people didn't really like it but i thought it was good
shrewd zinc
yeah, even if it is just monte grappa lol
i mean
day 3 AND 4 of through mud and blood are just Giant's Shadow
day 2 is like argonne forest kinda
day 1 is similar to St Quentins scar in a way
shrewd zinc
perhaps we'll see that with the german campaign
toxic briar
Something like that
shrewd zinc
or with the french one
toxic briar
I doubt it
shrewd zinc
french one sounds really interesting
i still wanna know what the prologue will be about tho
toxic briar
I want a Soviet campaign
shrewd zinc
i think we'll get that
i also want another australian campaign
i don't think any game ever has looked at the Kokoda Track Campaign
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
like a multiplayer level on that would be great
it has the potential for a beach landing map, an airport map, and a pure jungle map
toxic briar
I just hope it's not like the cod WW2 campaign
shrewd zinc
lmao
toxic briar
Which was a very stereotypical war movie type thing
south lynx
Not even some random helmetless redshirt for pathos?
shrewd zinc
well the omaha beach scene was saving private ryan-esque
with everyone getting shot down
toxic briar
I didn't play it but watched parts of it, and it seemed kinda cliche in some bits
shrewd zinc
i mean that IS what happened
toxic briar
Ya that part seemed pretty good
shrewd zinc
but like, heck one of the main characters looks like one from saving private ryan
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
i've just watched several reviews of the campaign
and ThatHaddockBanker's video on it
which was hilarious
mossy badge
Me too
mossy badge
Its a terrible topic to talk about lately.
toxic briar
Like in cod WW2 it restarted your mission to the last load point if you shot an unarmed German
And then there's WaW were you regularly killed unarmed Germans as the Soviets
shrewd zinc
i'm glad DICE isn't portraying America in WW2 like most games do
that's a good start
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
but it should definitely show the brutality of war
toxic briar
Don't get me wrong I love america
shrewd zinc
surrendering enemies being shot down
toxic briar
But we've done some really shitty things
mossy badge
Like the scene from Saving Private Ryan where they got to the top of the cliffs, where were surrendering german solders that spoke ... hungarian i believe.
shrewd zinc
imagine including an interactive bombing of hiroshima
shrewd zinc
like you are actually a citizen standing there
toxic briar
They would never
mossy badge
Oh, it was Czech
toxic briar
I don't want them to do the whole speel about how we shouldn't have dropped the bombs, I doubt they will but it's possible for PC points
shrewd zinc
like the australian campaign i mentioned earlier, the first level could be a person living in Darwin before he enlists
south lynx
I'd like to see a campaign where you play as a 442nd soldier and start out in the internment camps, get on the bus for basic (Hell, make that the tutorial maybe.) and then end up in the rescue of the lost battalion.
shrewd zinc
suffering through the bombing by the Japanese
mossy badge
A sort of mission that acted like the PBY mission in WaW would be nice.
toxic briar
Ya
shrewd zinc
and then coming back to see the city completely destroyed
toxic briar
I want a really shitty, gritty campaign
mossy badge
or the earlier B17 mission in CoD .... united offensive ?
shrewd zinc
and that's what causes him to enlist, and be sent to the kokoda track later in the year
toxic briar
The opening scene of WaW was great
It really let you know what kind of game it was
Ya know what would be neat
A Chinese campaign
mossy badge
The Chinese didn't do much in WW2 ?
toxic briar
They fought the Japanese slot
Alot*
That's were the earliest battle occurred
Before it actually started
mossy badge
Well that part i know specifically not much about.
For me that's Pre-ww2
toxic briar
Before Hitler even invaded Poland Japan was started shit
shrewd zinc
yeah, while dice wouldn't do a bombing of hiroshima, imagine the detail the frostbite engine could display
shrewd zinc
people being burned down to the bone, bodies turned into ash, your own character clothes being burnt into their skin
south lynx
@mossy badge Look up the China-Burma-India theatre.
toxic briar
Or like the fire bombing of Tokyo mod stuff
shrewd zinc
just all the buildings collapsing around you
south lynx
China was active through most of the war.
toxic briar
We just don't hear about it a lot
mossy badge
Brother, do you know what an Atomic bomb would do to a person ?
south lynx
Hell, we even flew the Hump to help keep them resupplied with Japan cut their major supply lines.
mossy badge
You won't get burned to the bone, you'd be vaporised