They can never replace the AHA
#battlefield-legacy-titles
desert dune
reef atlas
@unborn iris gey
hard moss
Is there any way to play the no hud hardcore-mode through the official quick play system?
nevermind, found it
pure veldt
But did you find anyone playing it is the new question
hard moss
yeah, quick play put me in a full server instantly
I'm guessing that's not the norm then?
jovial forge
Saw BFV twitter post not to long ago. We only got 7 sidearms to choose from. Pretty low chances of getting a kickass revolver til they're respective faction shows up :/
sullen mist
So I just found out the Mexicans made a prototype tank in 1917 called the TNCA Salinas
So weird
icy sluice
Looks weird
sullen mist
Big boi
sullen mist
Looks like the Roblox equivalent of the MkV tank
pure veldt
Mexicans don't have tanks!
hybrid stirrup
Is battlefield 4s prem pass free
Plz tell me
Is it already done
Did I miss it
Help
I want it
hybrid stirrup
It still shows up as 19.99 even tho I just bought the BF Bundle
pure veldt
hybrid stirrup
I'm on ps4
icy sluice
It was never free on console
jovial forge
@icy sluice Nah the webley is awesome, its just its so lacking of revolvers with launch which is a bummer
Been reading around and there are other awesome looking ones like from Colt and the Enfield No.2
Unless Devs are planning on introducing a Revolver and semi auto pistol as a set with updates
tender ibex
So are they going to be changing up how the re-used guns work in BFV? Or will they be pretty much the same as BF1 variants?
jovial forge
Chances are they're being reworked on the technical side along with some appearence updates
tender ibex
Just hope some of them arent as powerful as they were in BF1 like the sweeper
hipfire you from a few miles away π
jovial forge
Colt Model 1917 and Colt Model 1898 would be awesome to implement in BF V US faction.
wait
The sweeper was annoying at mid range though
and it kicked so hard
Kongsberg M1914....ooo
Yay or nay?
tender ibex
not sure with that one, its a 1911 just made in Norwegian factory, if they changed it up a bit could work
jovial forge
Thats what I'm thinking as well.
Would make sense even if they didn't do much but name it M1914 with a different finish since this type orginated from Norway.
solid hinge
I played bf1
rn, it's okay
squad cohesion is the same as bf4, really
I wish people would stick around more often honestly
jovial forge
Nothing will keep a flighty player with he attention span of a squirrel
storm marlin
mΓΆth ΕΓ«ΓͺdΕ ΕΓ€mp
solid hinge
casual mode though is trash
zealous void
disagreed, i think bf1 can be great in the normal mode
i dont have time to discuss tho
i just think that its made for the default setting and it works well
its just fun to sometimes get it into a serious oine
solid hinge
Perhaps
but if you're doing normal mode then squadplay tends to not really exist
in hardcore people do stick together; It's more like bfv actually
icy sluice
Huh...
https://youtu.be/1CjndIiZyJo
hybrid stirrup
Will there be moar free dlc for BF4 on consoles
Y
Y does this
Exist
π
It's called reversed hand with middle finger extended
Wat
solid hinge
jesus the spam
pseudo saffron
Yeah, can you not
pseudo saffron
If you dont have anything relevent to discuss about Battlefield titles, go to #general
hybrid stirrup
K
But gotta admit the sniper in BF4 is spoopy
You know theres always him
He could have his crosshairs right on you
And then bam
U ded
topaz dome
I absolutely love the canted ironsights, favorite thing about the game probably
solid hinge
Bf4, right?
topaz dome
yes
solid hinge
It's a nice little feature but unfourtanetly for me people sorta go fast before you can accurately use it
Honestly weapon wise that is a terrible amount given to us. Most of the guns on assault i din't even like in beta with the exception of STG.
They are hiding content so that they can give it to us in the form of tides of war
compact oxide
I did love the canted ironsights, get to have a 4x and irons on the same DMR
solid hinge
things that should have been there on a release day
I don't really get the fuss behind it
they leaked weapon lists previously
now they're mad?
compact oxide
I mean, I'm fairly happy with the number of weapons
I don't forsee using more than a couple anyway
daring ocean
π
south lynx
I expect to mostly be using the BESA coaxial.
compact oxide
I've been a medic main since BF4, but I might go snipey snipes what with the RSC and ZH being there
slate zephyr
So if i get the ea access the 15$ one ill be able to play bfv on the 9th
Is it a time trial or full game
pure veldt
if i can run Recon with flares for spottin but an iron sight 1 shot offensive ill be good
compact oxide
Offensive is the only way to play sniper
compact oxide
Lol
hybrid stirrup
@compact oxide wat
hybrid stirrup
Yeah, u know how they were giving away China Rising and crap for free
Will they do that more?
compact oxide
I'd assume so, didn't they have BF4 premium all together free recently?
compact oxide
Ah, must have run out. They do freebies fairly commonly for the old games from what I've seen
stable ermine
solid hinge
well
solid hinge
cod sucks tho
solid hinge
people are so triggered of not having garand at launch
restive talon
But
jolly quartz
I mean the yanks didn't really have it has their primary service rifle for some time
restive talon
British didnt have the m1
jolly quartz
The Springfield and P14 were still in active service
British props did use the m1 carbine for Paratroopers hence the model in game
Considering no faction locked and late war/prototype weapons does it really matter?
I mean one of the most popular weapons in bf4 was the AEK which was a Russian police rifle prototype
The Hel was the most common weapon in bf1 even though we only know of its existence from three photos
Tbh I don't see many people using the Garand over the stg unless it goes to the recon class which I don't think it will
Mainly only yanks will do it because 'Murica
And even though im sure the novelty will wear off quickly
I think I've seen an m1 garand used in cod ww2 maybe once or twice and its an extremely powerful rifle with 2hk to the chest I believe
hushed pawn
The garand was a three hit kill weapon in BFBC2, assuming you didn't get a headshot.
hushed pawn
...no?
hushed pawn
According to the wiki it did 39 damage a shot with a headshot having a 2.1x head multiplyer.
wary mason
Hmm
hushed pawn
hushed pawn
...
Yes, and if you actually read the section you're in, that's for Battlefield Vietnam. As in the original.
wary mason
Mhmm
hushed pawn
And we're talking about BFBC2?
hushed pawn
Makes it one of the most powerful rifles in BFBC2. Outmatched in damage only by some of the sniper rifles and I think the shotguns.
wary mason
I barely saw anyone use it even if it may have been potentially good
hushed pawn
Well yes, that's partly because something like less than 5% of the population had the gun.
You had to own I think two previous BF titles to get it.
wary mason
Oh right you needed to be bf veteran right?
hushed pawn
Yep
It was my primary rifle in the game, and for good reason. Fantastic damage at all ranges and fired as quickly as you could pull the trigger.
wary mason
I thought it had a limit how fast you could shoot
hushed pawn
Technically, yes.
wary mason
Site actually says 260RPM
hushed pawn
Right. Which is well beyond what I think the above average Olympic shooter is capable of. π
Yeah, that comes out to about 4.3 pulls of the trigger per second.
wary mason
About yea
hushed pawn
So definitely doesn't require Olympic level skill, but that's still around what I think the average person can do.
wary mason
Reminds me of AN-94 in BF3
That thing was able to do 1200rpm
If you tap it correctly
hushed pawn
Right.
noble current
Basically possible to reach that
hushed pawn
Yeah
wary mason
You needed to click uhh 10x/second to reach it
noble current
It's possible to have >20 cps
It's pretty common in minecraft to have that high clicks per second.
hushed pawn
Yeah, I probably hit around 12 cps. I've gotten rusty in my old age. π
noble current
Pretty good example tbh
wary mason
Soo 
hushed pawn
Anyway, even with the lower rate of fire, it's still one of the highest DPS guns in the game. Certainly one of the most versatile. Hit out at pretty much any range.
noble current
Because if you reach a cps above 20 you can reduce knockback in minecraft.
hushed pawn
That's...way above what the average person can pull off I think. π
Outside of using a macro anyway.
noble current
average person ofc
It is definitely possible but i don't know whether you can be accurate enough at the same time.
hushed pawn
I would expect not.
The amount of force you'd be using in order to keep up speed would make for quite the jumpy mouse I'd think, provided you had your mouse DPI set anything higher than like 5.
noble current
Let me send you a video.
crimson orchid
42days 12 Hours 59 minutes 20 seconds left for the best competitive battlefield
topaz dome
incursions?
remote lion
c
mpetitive battlefield
crimson orchid
Battlefield wonβt be a competitive game
desert dune
crimson orchid
But that doesnβt mean that these game modes will be good
solid hinge
my accounts
steam - Rinzzler
origin - RINTSLER_RUS
uplay - Rinzz1er_
crimson orchid
TOXIC @topaz dome
TOXIC
topaz dome
he/she already had their message deleted by a mod
upper sigil
Let's be real
If there's a comp mode for bfv it will more than likely bad
I hope I'm wrong tho
topaz dome
will probably be like bf1 incursions
topaz dome
besides the battle royale stuff
icy sluice
For launch we have a decent amount of weapons
crimson orchid
@icy sluice antreten und stillgestanden.
icy sluice
Sorry, I don't actually speak German
jolly quartz
I just hope Dice doesn't pull some of their best Devs off the base game to make something as stupid as incursions
If you are gonna do something like that again just do what you are doing with Firestorm and hire it out to another studio to do
crimson orchid
Oh π
icy sluice
I did translate it to Compete and Stand Still
fathom pebble
lofty valley
Whatβs been going on in the bf community
lofty valley
Lol
restive talon
Bf v is gonna be good
icy sluice
me
gritty drift
Nice
restive talon
Im waiting for black friday or some sale
To buy a new gpu
Bcs my old one is hitting its limits
Low 60 fps
R9 280
restive talon
Gigabyte 
solid hinge
what
solid hinge
citation needed
solid hinge
citation
restive talon
Like a nzxt hybrid or accelero
lofty valley
Bfv will be the most immersive game ever made
pallid sparrow
@lofty valley ?
lofty valley
When you play bfv youβll actually think your on the battlefield
dim mauve
nah when i played bfv i actually think i was on bf1
icy sluice
hah
solid hinge
Your opinion
Nothing can be pefect
When perfection is all about someones perspective
solid hinge
I always thought battlefield maps were gonna be huge
Like spend 10 mins just to go from one side to the other
compact oxide
Thank goodness they're not
You'd have nothing but snipers and LMGs
Just look at Sinai outside of the C area
restive talon
True
dim mauve
i think ur saying miles behind sales @restive talon
icy sluice
miles behind IQ
Seriously though, I see this game performing quite well
rocky falcon
there will be a attrition blog but when is it gonna come out
compact oxide
When it's ready 
rocky falcon
pure veldt
last i heard was Febtober 43rd
restive talon
sales are not quality
AAA games get bigger sales than indie games
and indie games have better quality
superhot
and games like that
but like im not talking about dice and some game devs and studios
im talking about sales
pure veldt
i feel like V will sell better than BFront 2 and it's "fine"
Played it more than BF1 π
worn cave
Is the Churchill Crocodile trailer just there to piss the driver off and make them wish they were on the other team?
oh
The trailer carried 400 gallons of flamethrower liquid and 5 compressed bottles of nitrogen (Nβ) gas and could be jettisoned from inside the tank.
It's still awful, lol
wonder if we'll get a proper range with it, it seems like flamethrowers never get the range they really had which makes them sort of weak
The thrower could spray to a maximum distance of 150 yards (140 m), though 80 yards (75 m) was more realistic in combat circumstances.
marsh ledge
Jesus.
icy sluice
I managed to destroy an Artilery Truck using Pilferer
The melee kill happenned like two minutes before the truck drove into it so I was kinda confused
tribal ledge
I managed to kill a flamwthrower kit with a syringe the other day
worn cave
I saw a clip of that on reddit, was it you lol?
tribal ledge
No.
Mine was all luck
I ran in to a group and all of asudden tflames everywhere and I just mashed and somehow accidently killed it with syringe
gray glade
when are we gonna get nunchuks in bfv i wonder
tardy basin
solid hinge
Once I killed the trench raider with a syringe
tardy basin
lol
solid hinge
it was a one-hit, really satisfying as you can imagine
tardy basin
I'd be enraged and dissapointed if I was the other guy
pure veldt
i get for multiplayer gaming the instagib from a syringe but x_x
gray glade
my dentist used syringe on me today
solid hinge
It was his fault he didn't expect me tomove around the corner and then I injected the poison π
pure veldt
they could do a damage over time disorient like blind etc
tardy basin
you died??? lol
tardy basin
π
gray glade
i think i lost maybe 2 health
pure veldt
and wtf at 80+ yard flame thrower info
solid hinge
@tardy basin are you a new mod?
tardy basin
@solid hinge if new means since before summer... yes :P
otherwise no
pure veldt
FT with limited fuel that shot 100 yards + some sort of sidearm
solid hinge
So for me it means you are not however I haven't seen you before
tardy basin
well, I usually go by "Zobtzler", but since it's october... you know
and my profile pic doesn't usually have inverted colours
solid hinge
I don't remember your old name either π
tardy basin
well, I'm not chatting as much as the others
solid hinge
That might be the reason π Well I don't really chat that often as well however most of the time it is the guy called Hess who is answering
And then there was another guy I forgot his name
tardy basin
@wary mason you are popular it seems
tardy basin
wary mason
Go away
solid hinge
At least he is the most known admin
rocky falcon
whats new in the weapon changes
hollow canyon
TIL in BF4 that the gunner customization options on the heli's are for when YOU are the gunner, not for your gunner when you are flying....
Is it like that for tanks too?
gray glade
i think so? that sounds logical anyways
i dont want you to choose the settings for me if im a gunner you know π
hollow canyon
Haha I always thought that was so weird!
But then a guy was asking me if I had the TV missile and it all dawned on me
And now I feel like an idiot cuz sometimes when I got into someone else's vehicle and I thought "Aw damn, they're using nightvision"
That was me lol....
dense bone
lol
languid sinew
silent bolt
ARE THE SERVERS DOWN?
pure veldt
lol
silent bolt
guess so raiden
pure veldt
support discontinued, game is obsolete
astral mulch
h3h3
solid hinge
Hi i am looking for battlefield 1 players but my English is not as good as I am German (i am 13)
astral mulch
ea servers are down
icy sluice
help.ea.com says it's doing fine
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I'll probably check it out in a bit
Just eating Pringles atm
hard moss
solder customization screen seems to have crapped itself as well
doesn't show warbonds etc
solid hinge
the servers are really down that's stupid
hard moss
reallocated maintenance staff to bfv lmao
astral mulch
genug deutsche hier
solid hinge
achso
dense bone
BLESS YOU
astral mulch
hatschi?
astral mulch
i dont know, usually this is fixed in 1-2 h time
solid hinge
do you have to write english here?
astral mulch
yes please
solid hinge
okay
do you want to play some other games ?
spYchodelics do you want to play some other games ?
astral mulch
to be honest, i dont play anything else then bf, so i must say, no
servers seem to be up and running again
astral mulch
i might go back and give quake champions a chance, but these developers also thought its priority make it new and shiny with lots of visuals effects π then insted of changing the enemy / player models to have a slight contrast to the background, they added red outlines!
opal lodge
I mean i knew bf1 had limited lifecycle left with bf5 now comming up. I just didn't thought it's gonna end today 
rocky falcon
so whats new in attrition
hybrid stirrup
Who still plays Hardline on PS4
icy sluice
I found a full player created server with great ping
Which is very, very surprising to see for me
hybrid stirrup
Wat
solid hinge
so Brits are getting Blenheim Mk IFΒ and Mosquito F Mk II
IF has radar and 4x0.303
Mosquito has 4x20mm and 4x0.303
worn cave
I am so hyped for the Liberator FP-45 reload animation, total meme gun :V
solid hinge
IF has turret tho
hollow canyon
What German plane is comparable to the mosquito?
brazen glade
as far as being an icon maybe the hs 129
few others though that would fit the role like Bf 110, Me 210 and 410
south lynx
210 was a disaster.
Closest in performance, and still not all that close, would be the Me 410.
tribal ledge
south lynx
Of course, this is Battlefield, so real world performance means nothing.
Gee folks, learn some fucking history. Most of the long arms in WWI also served in WWII in some capacity.
hollow canyon
Yep
south lynx
TBH the more interesting part of this in my opinion is that the weapon selection hints at something that would be really neat: Spanish Civil War.
boreal yoke
In WW2, the majority of weapons were semi-auto/repreating/self-loading rifles
south lynx
The SCW is basically the prelude to WWII. Germany used it as a practice run for most of their strategies.
Incorrect. The British continued to use the Lee-Enfield as their standard battle rifle, the Russians relied on the Mosin as their battle rifle despite several attempts to convert to various semi-autos, of which the SVT-40 was the most successful but arrived too late to fully equip the army, the German military largely relied on the Mauser k98.
The United States was unique in having largely adopted a semi-automatic rifle as their standard battle rifle before their entry to the war.
Oh, and Japan was using the Arisaka of course, because freaking Japanese small arms...
boreal yoke
or bolt action
sure
my point is that BF weapons will always be fantasy bullshit if the game is set earlier than the cold war
because people dont care about historical accuracy
icy sluice
So far I think the only 'fantasy' item shown was the Valentine AA tank
gray glade
doesn't that depend on how strictly you define historical accuracy
a game can have historically accurate weapons and gadgets even if the gameplay itself isn't all that realistic
boreal yoke
Many BF1 weapons were fantasy bullshit compared to what was reality
in which it was like 99% of soldiers used bolt action rifles
dense bone
well, i would hate if some of the lmg literally had to be carried/operated by 2 people
dense bone
you just gotta make game sense
gray glade
BF1 had to be "fantasy" and unrealistic in order to be fun
there is no way it would be fun in a battlefield way and still be realistic and have historically accurate weapons
boreal yoke
for a large part of the population yes
boreal yoke
Im not saying that bf should copy arma
dense bone
neither am i, im just saying, being realistic just doesnt make sense for most games
icy sluice
There's a difference between weapons being in certain areas realistic than... realism
dense bone
otherwise its a sim
icy sluice
idk how to word it correctly
boreal yoke
All im saying is that I would be so happy if there were less unrealistic weapons
like in BF1 when everyone used the stupid smgs
have that shit be pickups
dense bone
i personally wouldnt play bf1 in that case
marsh ledge
Wait, what? The liberator is actually confirmed, or is everyone meming?
dense bone
i hatd being medic and having to play hours to get an automatic gun
marsh ledge
(Don't mind the PFP, by the by. It's a joke in another server.)
boreal yoke
or make advanced weapons break a lot
shell lava
the moment you need to apologize for having a trump picture lmao
dense bone
PFP?
marsh ledge
I'm not really involved, I just know he has a sort of negative stigma for some.
shell lava
profile picture
dense bone
ah
gray glade
how fragile does one have to be to be offended by trumps picture though 
dense bone
the fuck
shell lava
yeah lol
dense bone
profile is one word
shell lava
its fine
icy sluice
We don't really care if your picture is anything around here, just don't act... stupid
shell lava
unless its nsfw pic
dense bone
just dont act
patent chasm
I want Moths in BFV
shell lava
thats something else
dense bone
stupid
icy sluice
That too
marsh ledge
But anyways, the FP-45. Is it actually officially confirmed? Or is everyone meming.
dense bone
no acting allowed, stupid
icy sluice
Yes, it's confirmed
shell lava
whats fp45
marsh ledge
Holy shit, nice.
icy sluice
Last ditch effort weapon
Basically one use
It was used so that you'd get a cheap headshot up close and take the person's gun
marsh ledge
I know.
marsh ledge
Oh, sorry.
gray glade
the Fp45 was mostly just a resistance fighter weapon
marsh ledge
It was airdropped, if I recall.
icy sluice
Yes, the FP is going to be included as a squad call in /s
marsh ledge
It should be in a custom gamemode, maybe.
icy sluice
FP-45s only
marsh ledge
Like two teams, one armed and the other naked only with the FP-45.
gray glade
why does one team have to be naked?
marsh ledge
Naked as in no actual weapons, not physically nude.
dense bone
lame
gray glade
oh, that makes more sense π
marsh ledge
Hell yeah.
Anyways, the naked/resistance team would have to survive or kill the armed team to win.
Balance would be interesting, though.
Maybe the weapons wouldn't be physically loaded until encountering someone?
Although that was more of a French thing, IIRC.
marsh ledge
Why must you do this?
patent chasm
Lmao
dense bone
i have no idea why that is a meme
patent chasm
Because lamp
marsh ledge
I remember an example of it from months ago.
It was smirk-worthy at most.
Now it's just kind of annoying.
dense bone
i always scroll past them in disbelief
shell lava
over used memes
marsh ledge
But if people enjoy it, let them.
patent chasm
No seriously I want the Welrod in BFV
dense bone
i just want my spumoni
marsh ledge
With a drum mag, please!
patent chasm
I want famous soldiers uniforms
dense bone
yea im no history person at all, but read about that, and now i want a drum mag too
marsh ledge
His rifle was just a standard-issue rifle, though.
patent chasm
Yes
marsh ledge
I don't even think he used scopes, as it would force him to rise his head.
gray glade
i'd love to see Swedish m/41B sniper rifle
marsh ledge
He's sort of a hero to me, in a somewhat queer sense.
marsh ledge
He had the M/28-30.
patent chasm
And also I want our big soviet boi Vassily Zaitsev
And our english swordy boi Jack Churchill !
south lynx
Put a longbow in the game and people will cry about the phantom bow all over again.
patent chasm
Lmao yes
marsh ledge
Speaking of which, I believe that Jack was the only soldier to fell an enemy with a longbow in the war.
marsh ledge
I recall reading it somewhere, but not from where.
keen dagger
Hey guys is 12gb of ddr4 2400 good enough for ram?
patent chasm
Go #technology
marsh ledge
You know, honestly...
keen dagger
I did no one responded π¦
patent chasm
I was....home
marsh ledge
Maybe the FP-45 should be sort of like a Martini-Henry.
or a Obrez
One shot within maybe 5 meters to the body.
The reload maybe like...
Five-ish seconds?
patent chasm
For the stupid bois : THE PPSH-41 WILL BE IN THE GAME WHEN SOVIET WILL BE ADD IN THE GAME
icy sluice
It's not confirmed exactly when
gray glade
i wanna see the krumlauf
patent chasm
Same for Springfield
marsh ledge
Krumlauf...
icy sluice
We do get Tommy though
gray glade
π
patent chasm
And the M1 Garand
marsh ledge
That's such a bad idea, honestly.
gray glade
yeah i know
patent chasm
What the hecc ? The krumlauf was bad
marsh ledge
Germany, the smartest civilisation on average in the world.
patent chasm
It will be cheated
marsh ledge
"What if we... cough We take the barrel and fuckin bend it?"
south lynx
I kinda hope we see the PPS-43.
gray glade
ironically it did function though
patent chasm
What do you think about the SturmPistole V
gray glade
not sure its the best idea, but it did physically work π
patent chasm
?*
south lynx
Well sure, it threw lead around corners, but the accuracy was terrible. It worked about as well as those bullet deflector plates on early American tanks.
marsh ledge
Hold on, let me just...
icy sluice
Bending a barrel, perfect for shooting around a corner
gray glade
@patent chasm wasn't that basically just a flare gun?
icy sluice
So, Incursions has server side smoke
patent chasm
A big pistol
marsh ledge
Nearly 160 rounds.
gray glade
oh yeah, it was a flare gun originally, but they modified it
south lynx
It's really more of a light grenade launcher really.
gray glade
yeah
south lynx
Also I am apparently employed at the department of redundancy department.
marsh ledge
Huh?
south lynx
[2:00 PM] Ophichius: It's really more of a light grenade launcher really.
marsh ledge
Really?
icy sluice
Really reeeeallly
south lynx
Dept. of redundancy department, etc.
icy sluice
I'm really feeling it
south lynx
Really.
marsh ledge
I can't believe it, really.
I mean, that's really kind of stretching it, don't you think?
south lynx
Really is.
icy sluice
Are you really sure it's really a light grenade launcher, really?
south lynx
I'm really, really sure.
icy sluice
The word really doesn't look natural anymore
Like really, it's just really weird looking
glad wasp
I see road map is all but confirmed before launch
Hopefully that will quiet down reddit
icy sluice
EA Bad, amirite?
The moment I type that I see everyone leaving the general voice chat
By the way, pilferer can surprisingly really help
https://streamable.com/dg0f9
agile kraken
Is there any way i can play the old maps. All i can play all day long is the new dlc maps
dense bone
@agile kraken join bf1 team 1 chat, hardly runs a server that rotates all maps
violet locust
Not sure why he asked this in two channels
dense bone
or doesnt seem to want to listen to me
violet locust
boreal yoke
We have a roadmap?
violet locust
Haven't seen one yet
pure veldt
Vaporware, the game is a lie
icy sluice
wat
icy sluice
Oh yeah, a fucking St. Chammonds went between two objectives that our team has
I brought it down to 95, entire team is around it... it survived 'til the end of the fucking match
solid hinge
It happens?
icy sluice
Meanwhile, while I am taking this tank down, a medic throws a light anti-tank grenade at me, a support is sprinting at me with a limpet mine, three assaults are pulling out their AT-Rocket Gun
solid hinge
maybe it's the server I'm on
If the server name says "Teamplay" in it then does it mean people teamplay?
solid hinge
Ok
I sorta meant teamplay as in, squadplay
your squad tries and go together
everyone is in the same room / area
night perch
BTR run
storm gulch
Tried cancelling my BFV pre-order, but I can't π
icy sluice
kewl
dire quiver
the m1 garand is not in bfv launch what a meme
remote lion
A lot of things aren't lol
solid hinge
I think I saw a post on reddit where they thought lend - lease was a DICE thing similar to tides of war
Like dude
They pride themselves on knowing more history than dice but don't know Lend and Lease
gusty wigeon
split plank
Tbh that is an easy task
neon loom
I'm curious to see who has done what
Im going to pre-order the deluxe edition but I need to save souvenir money because I'm going on a trip soon.
meager sundial
did they change something in I?
it feels like it runs worse and is sluggish
doesn't feel like 144hz
(its set at it)
remote lion
You did have 200 PING π
Prob should have less ping if ure from Mexico though
Also on a sidenote, AEK is the best gun in bf4 
remote lion
That's worst
undone lily
well yeah i used aek thatβs why they were so salty
remote lion
Shitty rules preventing you from even buying certain games and no servers
icy sluice
Land down under, under a bunch of ping
undone lily
yeah
remote lion
Stay strong gamer β
undone lily
still top fragged that match
icy sluice
Rise up
undone lily
rise aussie gamers
remote lion
Oiii
tired flare
Use asian server is near from aussie
slate zephyr
Lol
topaz dome
FFFFUDGE, joined 3 games in a row that were just ending
compact oxide
@undone lily what game were there no Aussie servers for? BF1 has been pumping and BF4 always seems to have a couple FPSG servers up
pseudo saffron
@solid hinge Keep it in english, please
tiny cave
He's saying he cant speak the language, I think at least (my spanish isnt that good)
pulsar valve
Post history is almost all english
opal lodge
"Does the Attrition system make Battlefield V harder than earlier games? No β but it makes it deeper."
Yes it absolutely makes it harder, what is this nonsense
If i have to move around refilldepots to replenish ammo/health all the time then IT DOES MAKE IT HARDER
quit the bullshit
I get that this System was introduced to encourage Players to engage in more Squad/Teamplay activities.
But if Players wanted to do that then they would DO IT already.
Nobody who plays solo wants to be dependant on a random Medic or Support Player so now we get all these non efficient pathways and routes we need to take to replenish our ammo/healthpacks. If they want to team/squad up then they do so with their Friends.
This is exactly why people bitched so much about League of Legends and similair games that forced you into a role that you didn't wanted to play for 30 minutes.
Is this a big issue? Sure isn't, there's bigger fish to fry.
But please just make it non-cancerous. Have more replenish stations on actual pathways other than on the Flags themselves, Neutral ground so to speak and Increase the max Ammo and Healtpouches you can carry.
tribal ledge
Fuckinh cheaters
light coral
Lmao anybody with issues getting ammo, even with the beta attrition, are scrubs
Just PTFO, boom, ammo.
opal lodge
When you figured out how to argument without insults let me know and we can talk.
Like i said, it's not a major issue. Just non-efficient and gets annoying
Running around offpath etc
light coral
Sorry, but people are simply showing thier true colors. This isn't the first time a lack of starting reserve ammo has been a part of the franchise.
And ammo depots are on objs, that shouldn't be "off path" in obj game modes
And they're rebuildable
They're even in positions off objs, Narvik had one on the side of the map by a random building between C and A
Hell, on Rotterdam you could go into enemy uncaps and resupply before the timer killed you
opal lodge
That's great and all having them on objectives, but you need more neutral ground refilling stations too. There is one on Rotterdam and it's amazing.
If you captured a flag most likely means you are not completly out of Ammo anyways and you're victorious on that objective already. But if you get pinned down in the streets on the way to a objective and you run out of Ammo, then all that is left is running all the way back to replenish. Doesn't make much sense and it's not healthy nor fun for the Player or the pace of the game itself.
light coral
If you get pinned down on the streets, it's probably your own fault and if you're out of ammo and pinned down you should die. Obviously the enemy player in that situation was smart enough to grab ammo before moving to a new location. The smarter player should come out on top.
light coral
And conservation of shots goes a long way. I had zero issues maintaining reserve ammo in the beta where ammo starting counts are lower than they will be at release
opal lodge
This isn't about beeing good or bad at the game.
light coral
You're running out of ammo because you're still spraying people, while the average full auto weapon in the beta had a potential of over 10 kills before running empty
It is about being good or bad, it's all about ammo management and playing smart
opal lodge
Who are you telling me what i do ingame, what.
light coral
Which bad players will not do
opal lodge
When did this go so wrong lol
light coral
I'm just telling the truth, if you're running out of full reserve ammo in single instance firefights running between objectives, you're more than likely taking pot shots and wasting rounds
Which attrition is there to emphasize against
DICE themselves even referenced emphasis on smarter, more proactive play as a reason for attrition
proud bough
DICE puts too much faith into squad play for attrition to take its full effect
light coral
?
opal lodge
No you're not telling the truth. You think that the only right playstyle there is is yours and that's just not true.
Vast majority of Players is average at the game so you wanna tell all these people to just casually walk back for 1-2minutes just to grab more ammo because you think everyone is trash?
light coral
If anything the resupply points are a way for solo players to resupy themselves without using teamwork
proud bough
They emphasize way too much squad play and not just a way you can play yourself
light coral
Attrition itself does emphasize teamwork and squad play, it the resupply points defeat that
proud bough
I personally didnt have a problem with a lack of teamwork in other titles because I can just combat that by just enjoying the match on my behalf
opal lodge
it doesn't emphasize, it foces yourself to be dependant on randoms, which noone wants
light coral
Lmfao it doesn't force shit
Resupply points are literally a way for you to NOT depend on random
opal lodge
unless you like running back for a ammo pouch for 1-2 mins, yes it does
proud bough
But why introduce such restrictive game mechanics no one necessarily wanted?
light coral
Now instead of spamming a need ammo callout at a random player, you can walk up to a box, press a button, and get the same effect
proud bough
Honestly I'm fine with attrition, only for certain weapons though
light coral
Lmao if you're running out of ammo every 1 to 2 minutes that's a personal issue
proud bough
M1A1 Carbine is a nightmare to use when you spawn in on a random squadmate
opal lodge
Who is talking about spamming, you gotta quit the "everyone else is trash" mentality mate.
daring vale
What if everyone else is trash though
light coral
Even I'll admit I'm not top tier or anything, and in nearly 70 hours in the beta I ran out of ammo away from resupply like four times total
daring vale
A significant portion of them would be.
proud bough
it wouldn't be "all" then
daring vale
More than like 2/3 would be @proud bough
light coral
Yeah, look at any scoreboard in any BF game, and watch as all but like 7 people do absutely terrible
proud bough
The thing is attrition works only for certain weapons
light coral
TOTALLY unreasonable to think most BF players are garbage /s
opal lodge
This isnt about beeing good or bad at the game jesus christ stop the bullshit.
proud bough
STG is fine, Snipers fine, but the M1A1 is a fine example of how it doesnt work
opal lodge
I am talking normal average players
You don't want your game to be enjoyable just for the 0.01%
light coral
Yes it is, because most players don't play smart, they have tunnel vision, they don't even look at thier ammo count, and they just want to blindly walk around shooting at any enemy they see
proud bough
Because that's what Battlefield has been since BFBC2
opal lodge
@light coral alright mr. pro. Tell me what games you have been 0.01% in
proud bough
silence
light coral
Adapting to the attrition system EFFECTIVELY instead of walking back to the resupply point ONLY when you run out of ammo is dependent on the mentality of the player
proud bough
@neon loom why tf are you always making strawpolls
light coral
Players just need to play smarter and make better choices
proud bough
can we just have a conversation without those stuffed into our faces please?
Players can play smart if they wanted to
wary mason
π
light coral
But in place of that, they'd rather have 200 rounds in reserve and never run out of ammo in a game where resupplying ammo has been a core gameplay mechanic for 16 years
opal lodge
i still don't hear a title/game you claim to be so pro in
light coral
When did I claim that?
opal lodge
ergo your whole argumentation of "everyone else is trash but me" falls apart
light coral
I literally said the opposite
amber notch
light coral
I didn't say that at all
opal lodge
yes that is exactly what you've been arguemnting for
proud bough
"what if they were though?"
tribal ledge
games like BF are always going to draw the CoD players ot it that run around aimlessly not making the best strategical decisions
light coral
I said most BF players are trash at the game because they are
tribal ledge
It's the nature of the beast
light coral
Lmao no its not
daring dome
this is a war of attrition on my nerves
light coral
Nice strawman
solid hinge
attrition system is good t. support
daring dome
y'all need to chill
light coral
Me saying most players are trash does not equate to "everyone is trash but me"
tribal ledge
A lot of ti has also to do with BF broken balance system
solid hinge
nothing makes me more amused than having snipers running after me for ammo I'm not giving them
proud bough
you're talking to us as if we are trash at the game because we don't like attrition all that much
tribal ledge
Putting up Rank 150 players with n00bs
Like the game literally has zero rankuing balance
It makes the 00bs look bad
light coral
I didn't reference you guys at all besides aaying if you're running out of ammo from full reserves in less than 2 minutes it's a personal problem
tribal ledge
Even though they might not be "trash" at the game
daring dome
@tribal ledge people say that about literally every multiplayer game that's ever been spawned ever
light coral
And yeah team balance has always been horrible in BF
tribal ledge
yes but ti doesn't render the point moot
daring dome
lol
proud bough
so spawning in the middle of a firefight with a gun with only 1 mag in reserve is a personal problem?
daring dome
i can't deny your optimism, i guess
tribal ledge
My point is that a lof of people seem to be trash but mostly that is because you are comparing them to people who migh thave iunvested thousands of hours in to the game
daring dome
i just don't think BFV will be the one to suddenly magic balancing into a perfectly happy state
tribal ledge
It won't
As long as squads exist
And people who are friiends are all put in the same squad
Balance will be fucked
light coral
@proud boughno, thats not the argument I was retorting
tribal ledge
5 people with rank 150 can all come in the sam squad
daring dome
balance was fucked in real life too s'okay
tribal ledge
Massivcely fucking up the games balance
proud bough
my point is attrition is massively fucked for certain weapons
tribal ledge
to DiCE it's more improtant to them that you can play teh game with yoru fiends
Ratehr than fixing a broken balance
It's the nature of the beast
light coral
The dude just said "running out of ammo and having to run back every 1-2 minutes"
Nothing about firefights or spawning in them
daring dome
my only concern with attrition is that the LMGs get enough bullets to freely suppress
light coral
Man, you guys really like to strawman
tribal ledge
I like straws
daring dome
i love it from what i played in the beta, though
spawning in with full ammo in actual release will be nice though
and a medpack
daring dome
that repetitive initial run for supplies was rightly cut
light coral
I feel like compared to the beta, the changes they made to attrition were worthwhile without defeating the mechanic itself
proud bough
one mag in reserve isn't necessarily ideal though
light coral
But people are acting like running around in BF3 with an smg with literally 250 rounds in reserve was awesome
daring dome
i dunno, i like the low ammo
light coral
When it's apparently a humongous crutch
proud bough
yeah the high ammo count was pretty strange
daring dome
its made scavenging off of enemy corpses important
proud bough
but the current attrition is lowering it to the extreme
daring dome
yes
proud bough
which it shouldnt
proud bough
one mag in reserve isnt ideal for an m1a1 carbine
solid hinge
hmn during my army service I only had 3 mags worth of ammo with me
proud bough
and there is no such thing as a "comfy extreme"
light coral
In release its not extreme at all. On most full auto weapons you'll be carrying upward of 100 rounds or more in reserve at full ammo
daring dome
i thought they said they were boosting mag count slightly
and yes there is
comfy extremes abound
solid hinge
90 rounds ah
proud bough
I'm pointing out a fault with a problem I've run into in the beta
is what I'm saying
proud bough
stop
daring dome
that's it
daring dome
S O R R Y
daring dome
i see that you disagree but it does not make your opinion factual my friend, plenty of people are enjoying the attrition as it is, in such an "extreme" state
proud bough
spawning in on a firefight with an m1a1 carbine that only 1 mag in reserve with 15 bullets that drain almost immediately is something that needs to be looked at
light coral
Good enough throwback to older BF game starting ammo
proud bough
jesus you guys arent letting me explain things
daring dome
lol
light coral
Spawning into a firefight, apart from being a very specific example, shouldn't be something regularly done anyway
proud bough
attrition is fine, but not for certain weapons
light coral
That's why I bring up playing smart
proud bough
spawning in on an object then being rushed by a squad the moment you spawn in is my fault now?
daring dome
everything is your fault now lockheed
light coral
You're not being punished by attrition for spawning in a firefight, you're being punished for spawning in a firefight t
proud bough
@daring dome dont even talk if you're not going to take the conversation seriously
light coral
And if you're spawning on a contested objective, you most likely won't be spawned IN a firefight
spiral adder
Without attrition the game becomes spray and pray bf1.2
daring dome
don't take shit so seriously and you'll have less aneurysms over stupid shit, meng
light coral
Or even ON the obj at all
proud bough
@daring dome I'm tring to talk to mcbeef who's the only decent person in this argument
daring dome
then open a private chat, foo
light coral
Damn, making me feel all special
daring dome
get a room
light coral
Mmm tingly feeling
daring dome
don't tingle on the rug beef
proud bough
I can literally talk wherever I want, this is a discussion on Battlefield V in a Battlefield chat
daring dome
i didn't really have any ammo problems in the beta except when i was out and about shooting for too long away from teammates/ammo supply stations
light coral
And the only reason I'm even posting here is cause I got 3 months off from the forum, otherwise they'd be dealing with my shit instead of you guys
daring dome
are you responding as if you're me? wtf
proud bough
now mcbeef back to attrition
light coral
Now I'll never have most posts on the forum. Crabman will always reign Supreme
pseudo saffron
guys chill
proud bough
ok mcbeef back to attrition
light coral
I'm available
proud bough
spawning in on your team's contested objective isnt something you shouldnt ignore outright
you should at least try to make a stand without feeling the hinderance of attrition
light coral
No, but it's not going to spawn you in a firefight 9 times out of 10
proud bough
but you should still have a chance at winning it is my point
light coral
The majority of the time if an obj is contested, you won't even be ON the obj when you spawn on it
That's how it's always been
proud bough
I get that
but if you're looking to take it back, you should have a decent chance at doing so
of course not as a one-man army
light coral
And if you're spawning in on a contest obj to defend, and you KNOW you have low starter ammo, that's when playing smart comes into effect
Instead of past BF games where you mindlessly fling bullets, attrition makes you think about your next move
And the shots you take
And the engagements you start
proud bough
Thinking about your next move is irrelevant if the guy's directly in front of you shooting
at you mind you
light coral
If you go to defend a contested obj with starter ammo, and there's 4 people capping it, in no way with any amount of ammo do I think ONE person should have a fighting chance
proud bough
you can't always choose your engagements too
light coral
But then again, in the beta I cleared several objs solo with just 1 mag in reserve
So it's not like it's not possible
Especially now that ammo is being boosted a bit for release
proud bough
one man should have a fighting chance to survive
light coral
Not against a whole squad on a contested obj zone
Sure, he should have the chance to kill, and he does
But enough ammo to take out 5+ people on an obj by themselves?
proud bough
at least enough to escape the objective and survive is what I'm saying
light coral
In a team oriented and focused game?
proud bough
attempt to take the obj, fail, have a chance to escape
light coral
I prefer older BF titles, which is what attrition is pulling from
proud bough
and still have a chance of survivability
light coral
I'm not a fan of the post BC2 era of one man army solo play BF
You still have a chance of survivability either way
If you attempt to take an obj, see you're outnumbered, and attempt to escape, you should not have wasted TWO entire mags of ammo doing so
proud bough
i should at least have 2 more mags in reserve for it to be more plausible though
light coral
Especially if you focus on how much ammo you start with
light coral
If I start with one mag in reserve, step on an obj, I know I'm the ONLY one on my team that's contesting, and I see like 5 enemies on the obj - there's no way I'm actually trying to fight it out
Because I know I'll run out of ammo trying to combat an entire squad by myself
That's called thinking
proud bough
fair enough
light coral
Smart play
Whereas most people will rush in, kill one guy, get gunned down by 3 others, and claim its the games fault
When they were just being headstrong and playing dumb
light coral
I can say some spawns are shit
But most of them are not going to put you in a position where you're just dead with no chance to escape
proud bough
i guess you can't really prevent those from happening
idk the direction the franchise is going in with this whole attrition thing is really weird to me
overall really
light coral
Nah in most cases the game tries to spawn you as far away from enemies at objs as possible. This is to give both you and them a chance to actually do something. But when enemies are ALL OVER the game can and will spawn you like right in front of someone
It's a shitty system, but I don't see any other developers doing it differently
proud bough
it does offer that chance though which is ok
light coral
Call of Duty will spawn you on the opposite side of the map of even 3 enemies are on your teams side, even if there's still enemies watch g spawns on that side of the map
It's no better
Spawns are shit in all shooters
proud bough
Idk it's strange, you got DICE saying it's a "realistic" and "immersive" experience and whatnot
proud bough
isn't that where this whole argument of "250 bullets in reserve" is coming from?
i mean yeah it's stupid
but why limit us to that point? I'd say it's fair to call it a move at realism
not to mention when it comes to the setting, they pull the "it's just a video game"
light coral
Meh, I wouldn't say it's based on realism
In ww2 soldiers were carrying much more than 1 reserve mag
Maybe not a shit load, but not one reload worth
proud bough
a fair bunch has been put into BFV for the sake of realism really
MMGs needing to be bipoded
Attrition
to name a few
orchid iris
proud bough
quite frankly amputees on the frontlines of ww2 don't necessarily give off a "realistic atmosphere"
but that's another conversation
light coral
I wouldn't say attrition is realistic at all
For instance
In ww2 a German soldier carrying a Mauser would have a minimum of like 55-65 rounds in reserve on him
proud bough
then why didn't they incorporate that into BF1 then?
light coral
New mechanics
proud bough
a war that has a much bigger emphasis on attrition
light coral
That can be said for a lot of things
Like why didn't they allow vaulting up walls as tall as your soldier in BF4 or BF3, it makes a ton of sense
Soldiers actually train to do that and utilize it in actual combat all the time
wanton goblet
Bf3 is still my fav
proud bough
to be fair realistically you cant just vault up the same wall 5 times in a row