battlefield-legacy-titles

[solid hinge]

like an exotic combat role

Dedicated for anti-tank combat

Maybe with shotguns only as weapons

Combat role are subclasses

In alpha there was 2 for each class

In BETA they only had one

SUPPORT - engineer role

ASSAULT - grenadier role

... etc

[runic meteor]

I've gotten 25 damage hit on tanks with the panzerfaust

You have to hit in between the turret and the bottom of the tank

[runic meteor]

Yeah if the tank is turned it will bounce

I've seen 7 damage too

[grand merlin]

No they do

[solid hinge]

They dont really though

[grand merlin]

They die super fast

[runic meteor]

It depends

[solid hinge]

Unless 3 assaults hit you

[grand merlin]

If two people with panzerfaust show up

[runic meteor]

Tanks can die fast

[grand merlin]

You are dead

[solid hinge]

And you havent repaired

[runic meteor]

But that's when you're getting swarmed

[grand merlin]

No matter what you do you die

[solid hinge]

Tanks are a sqaud vehicle though

[runic meteor]

You need to know when to get your ass out of there

[solid hinge]

If you dont have a gunner as a support clas

then your doing it wrong

[runic meteor]

Because people get mad at tankers and hunt you constantly

[solid hinge]

I think its balanced

[dim gazelle]

my personal opinion is that the ke7 and the first sniper were the best guns

[wise matrix]

I was a heavy tank and got swarmed. I survived 10 people crawling on top throwing grenades, it needs more anti infantry guns'

[runic meteor]

But everytime I tank and they get pissed at me my team always wins by like 300 points

[dim gazelle]

mh tanks were ez to destroy

[narrow lagoon]

well i just got home from being out all day

are my worse fears true

is the beta over

[solid hinge]

I think the BETA was really balanced

[narrow lagoon]

ill take that as a yes

dang

[solid hinge]

yes

Ended earlier

[narrow lagoon]

was hoping for a last minute extension

[wise matrix]

why

[solid hinge]

Well hopefully

They suprise us

[narrow lagoon]

[solid hinge]

With another one in late october

[dim gazelle]

way better than bf 1

[narrow lagoon]

nah

[boreal yoke]

tanks and anti are fine and balanced

[narrow lagoon]

the next beta is going to be november 20th

[dim gazelle]

this time to kill and gun handling

[boreal yoke]

get a squad to shoot inf

[narrow lagoon]

[solid hinge]

Rotterdam was my fave map

sturmtiger was awful compared to crocodile tank

[grand merlin]

Ah

[dim gazelle]

sturmtiger has big pew pew

[grand merlin]

Sturmtiger was better tbh

[wise matrix]

lol because the damage splash was unpredictable

[dim gazelle]

especially against tanks

[grand merlin]

That gun could clear out a room

[wise matrix]

and no anti infantry guns

[boreal yoke]

I couldnt figure out how to tow aa at the end

[solid hinge]

From a sqaud perspective

[grand merlin]

And yeah two shoting tanks

[boreal yoke]

the suspension will kill me

[solid hinge]

Sturmtiger was basically anti tank

[dim gazelle]

yep

[grand merlin]

@wise matrix The main gun is the anti infantry

[solid hinge]

But when you steal the enemies tanks as a sqaud

[wise matrix]

I couldn't damage a tank with it lol

[solid hinge]

It didnt perform its role lol

[runic meteor]

I destroyed the sturmtiger so many times with the valentine

[wise matrix]

5 damage each hit

[dim gazelle]

wot?

never

[solid hinge]

I think V2 rockets need more balance

Underpowered

[runic meteor]

The valentine with extended ammo and autoloader

[wise matrix]

yeahh

[grand merlin]

The SturmTiger was designed as a infantry support vehicle meant to kill infantry

[runic meteor]

Wrecked the sturmtiger like 9 times lol

[wise matrix]

sucked doing that

[solid hinge]

Maybe

Just maybe

[grand merlin]

No it didn't

[solid hinge]

IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS BRIGHT YELLOW

[grand merlin]

That cannon can tear people to shreds

[dim gazelle]

its really helpfull that u can throw the dynamite so far

[runic meteor]

The autoloader reloads tank shells so fast

[wise matrix]

damage was unpredictable and unreliable bad glith

[runic meteor]

I could put 10 down range in like 15 seconds

[grand merlin]

Not really?

You just have shitty aim

[dim gazelle]

first sniper with this fast reload upgrade = ❤

[solid hinge]

2 sturmtigers/crocodile tanks, or a V1/JB2 rocket... what did you lot pick

[grand merlin]

Sturmtigers

Rockets are useless

[wise matrix]

v2 rocket can take out tanks good

[solid hinge]

Exactly

[grand merlin]

Would take a tank any day

[solid hinge]

They need a buff

[grand merlin]

They need a lasting effect

[solid hinge]

Or a 30k points instead

[grand merlin]

Like making a crater

T-34 was bad tank

Yes

[dim gazelle]

problem is: everytime before i could use the v2 or tank, ppl requested orders but i had ordered

[icy sluice]

You're a bad tank

[solid hinge]

Relative

[grand merlin]

Only good because the Soviets made 30k of them

[dim gazelle]

then they got squad leader rank and bought supply drops because they were fuckin camper

[solid hinge]

Honestly aside from the rockets knocking people over and looking amazing they were useless

Yep

[icy sluice]

You never got 7 kills with it have you?

[dim gazelle]

or do it like most of the leaders: dont use anything

[solid hinge]

7 kills on a off chance with a rocket

Or 40 with a crocodile tank

[icy sluice]

I was mostly joking

[solid hinge]

I got 20k points, got the tank, blitzed the map with that

Then got enough for a rocket at the end as well

I got 11 kills with a stuka bomb

That was crazy

But yeah bombing was fun on this

Third seat on blenheim was trash

The stuka?

Or blenheim!

[icy sluice]

I dislike how spawning the tank works though

[solid hinge]

^

Yeah you have to die to get in it

[icy sluice]

Like, you need to have someone dead in your squad

[solid hinge]

guys

[grand merlin]

Wish I could spawn it from deployment

[solid hinge]

That was a joke, i lost a few because i dsint die in time

[icy sluice]

I'd rather just spawn it and run to it

[solid hinge]

Blenheim, get radar and use the bombing view

Stuka, dive bomb and use the appature sight to aim

The jericho was a nice addition

[icy sluice]

I crash with them

Needs to be louder imo

[solid hinge]

One of the upgrades for the stuka is to remove the jericho

[icy sluice]

delet

[solid hinge]

Like why would you pick that over better cannons or bombs idek

[desert dune]

[grand merlin]

So you can be steathly

The trumpets are very loud

[solid hinge]

Like people cant hear you fly past anyway

What was everyones favorite weapon in BETA?

[icy sluice]

Can't really say, I loved the Suomi, FG42, M30 and Fast Lee Enfield

[vale matrix]

Hi there guys. One quick question please. If i preorder BFV now, when will i be able to play another beta?

[solid hinge]

they havent announced it

[icy sluice]

No second beta is known for sure

[solid hinge]

But if you got deluxe edition you have access november 15

And if you are on PS4

GAME SHARE

[vale matrix]

aha ok, wasn't sure if beta closed only for non-preorders

rgr, thx

[solid hinge]

the M1A1 needed more ammo

[icy sluice]

Extended Mags attachment

[solid hinge]

as in total

It was 4-5 shot kill

32 bullets in total

[native siren]

Idk why will they promote this BR when we cant even play it yet smh

[solid hinge]

The snipers needed balance

[native siren]

Battlefield is losing me

[solid hinge]

The ZH was by far the most effective

[icy sluice]

What's wrong with promoting an upcoming feature? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone ridge]

I already miss bf5

[solid hinge]

As they were all 2 shot kill for the most part

[turbid badger]

M30 fun as hecc

[solid hinge]

^

Balanced as well

[turbid badger]

Stg44 needs a nerf

[sullen rock]

Nope, everything else needs a buff

[solid hinge]

the whole game would need a massive rework in my opinion

STG44 was only powerful

As it was the only assault rifle available in BETA

[sullen rock]

^

[solid hinge]

G43 was insane

But no one used it

anyone from wales?

[sullen rock]

Sten gun can ruin people easily, FG42 makes mincemeat of anyone, that 5 round sniper was a 2 hit kill. Each class had at least one really strong weapon. But I think it's naive to think they should all be functionally identical.

[solid hinge]

The lack of true AR’s and Machine guns in BETA deffo swayed how it was played

MP40 was also insane

[sullen rock]

Yeah, no MMGs was a bit of a let down

MP40 is lovely

[solid hinge]

If STG was locked at level 10

[turbid badger]

It should be

[solid hinge]

The sten wouldve been regarded as OP

[turbid badger]

People did lol

[solid hinge]

its down to it being the most used

Not most powerful

[turbid badger]

Its iron sights are thicc as hell

i barely played anything but support

[solid hinge]

Because you are forced to use it for a long time before unlocking anything, you adapt your play style to suit the gun, therefore making you better with it

FG42 was hard to use at first

[grand merlin]

I used the bren

[turbid badger]

Its hipfire is godly

I used the fg 42

[grand merlin]

But the sten was pretty good

[turbid badger]

That thing is the bar

[solid hinge]

But once adapted was godly

[turbid badger]

^

[solid hinge]

I preffered the bren

For its range

[grand merlin]

Accidently picked up a sten went "Shit" but got an eight piece from it

[solid hinge]

It was mediocre at all ranges

But consistent

I dont think I used the EMP at all

Nor the turners SMLE which is a shame

Got into the support class too much

[turbid badger]

I think gewher 43 should be a 2 shot

Anyone else?

[solid hinge]

it was alot of the tine

Especially if you landed a headshot

[turbid badger]

Headshots were godly on the gewher 43

[solid hinge]

For people who like that play style

[runic meteor]

Stg is the all around best weapon in the game

[solid hinge]

if you give this gun a two-shot (without hitting the head once) it would be too strong

Its amazing

[runic meteor]

With the sten and mp40 right after it

The sten is a headshot machine

Basically has no recoil

[solid hinge]

You say that

[runic meteor]

Great hipfire

Great range

[solid hinge]

But rotterdam was begging for that play style to be the best

[runic meteor]

What playstyle

[solid hinge]

I felt like maps were smaller than ever before

Fast rate of fire close-med range

[runic meteor]

No even on narvik

I was destroying snipers with both

The stg on single fire is legit a sniper rifle

I can tap fire the sten from so far away

[solid hinge]

Im talking from console btw

[runic meteor]

Me too

I play on Xbox

[solid hinge]

As a solo player, STG was aids

[turbid badger]

Same

[neon loom]

I haven't played bf1 in a while. Have I missed anything important that transfers to bfv?

[turbid badger]

no

[solid hinge]

Burnt through its ammo

[runic meteor]

The stg was just too good at everything

[icy sluice]

Well, besides there will be skins available in the road

[runic meteor]

It dominates at every range

[solid hinge]

Because of the lack of other AR’s

[runic meteor]

I understand it's an AR but for the sake of balance it's too good

That's why I say support is the worst class

[solid hinge]

Without a good scope it was horrrndous at range

[runic meteor]

Because every other class beats it

No way

I use iron sights and destroy

[solid hinge]

I’d have to disagree

Bren was a laser

[runic meteor]

I never use scopes

[solid hinge]

It had no recoik

[runic meteor]

Bren is a laser

[solid hinge]

Combined with the infinite ammo

[runic meteor]

But the stg and sten demolish it

[solid hinge]

its a trade off

[runic meteor]

I was wrecking it with the p38 lol

[solid hinge]

The pistols were nice

Especially at range lol

[runic meteor]

I just do well with it up close because I get a lot of headshots

Whenever someone comes up to me with the Bren I barely get touched

Plus it's hipfire spread is pretty bad

[solid hinge]

I honestly thought the ruby was a 1911 to start with

[runic meteor]

Na

[icy sluice]

lol

[solid hinge]

Yeah

But the play style of the bren is med-long range

[runic meteor]

It looks a little like the colt 1903/1908 hammerless

[solid hinge]

Fg42 is close-med range

[runic meteor]

Yeah a range in which both the sten and stg beat it

Easily

[solid hinge]

I outgunned alot of stgs at range with the bren

LFG battlefield hardline

Problem about this game is its whiever shoots first wins half the time

[runic meteor]

I beat the fg42 in cqc consistently because it's recoil is so unmanageable when you hold it down

[solid hinge]

Theres no reaction time

[runic meteor]

And it's hipfire spread is bad too

[solid hinge]

You get used to the fg42’s pattern and its godly

squad with me for hardline

[runic meteor]

Oh trust me

I got most of my kills with it

I was using it long range

[solid hinge]

It was basically the only other AR on there

hardline best battlefiield game

[runic meteor]

Tap fire kills and everything

But

[solid hinge]

I think the AR guns will be the most powerful on release though

Easiest to use at all ranges

[runic meteor]

The amount of overall time that it takes to land the shots when tapfiring is nowhere near close to how fast the stg and sten both kill you from mid range

[solid hinge]

I was suprised how many kills you could get with a fg42 mag

[icy sluice]

I've gotten several close quarter multi-kils with the FG42

[solid hinge]

I got a 5 multikill with it

Its insane

[runic meteor]

Plus both those weapons have better damage models, less recoils, and larger mag sizes

I didn't say you can't

[solid hinge]

If an fg42 user ahd stg user met at close range, fg42 would win

[runic meteor]

I'm just saying the other weapons out perform support weapons much easier and consistent

[solid hinge]

Med range probablt stg for recoil control

[runic meteor]

No way

[solid hinge]

Long range depends on if it the fg is bipodded

[runic meteor]

The stg melts everything lol

It's so accurate

And the recoil is nowhere near a problem

[solid hinge]

The fire rate on the fg42 beats alot once yku had the recoil control

[runic meteor]

The fg42 would have to hold down the trigger

I had the upgrades and the recoil is still bad lol

[solid hinge]

Yeah i’d say the STG is better

[runic meteor]

Plus you can only pick one side

[solid hinge]

But thats because assault class needs good guns

[runic meteor]

Vertical or horizontal recoil control

Assault has explosives

[icy sluice]

I am still hoping we get more in-depth upgrade trees

[solid hinge]

Because with attrition, assualt needs an incentive

[runic meteor]

It's easily the best class by a mile

Then medic

[solid hinge]

Medic and support are by far the most needed in BFV

For squad play

[runic meteor]

Support struggles in every range

[solid hinge]

Support class is the best its ever been

[runic meteor]

And isn't even needed for resupplies anymore

No way lol

Bf1 support was good

[solid hinge]

Its been redundant up until now

As a sqaud player

[runic meteor]

Bfv support is a joke

[solid hinge]

If my squad didnt use a supoort

[runic meteor]

Even the ammo crate doesn't resupply explosives lol

[solid hinge]

We’d have no ammo

[runic meteor]

A joke

[compact merlin]

is beta over?

[runic meteor]

Then I guess you're out camping somewhere nowhere near a flag

[solid hinge]

Yes its over rom

[runic meteor]

Because I can probably count on one hand how many times I needed a support player to throw me ammo lol

[solid hinge]

My squad were consistently top 10 and best sqaud

[runic meteor]

I consistently fight my way to an ammo dump easy

[solid hinge]

ammo crates are very bate in this game

[runic meteor]

As were my squad

[solid hinge]

We put mines on them

[runic meteor]

And a majority of the time we had no one running support

[solid hinge]

ZH39 needs anmo

so does STG

and sten

[icy sluice]

By the way, is the premium pass for BF4 only available for like... different people?

[solid hinge]

support class has never been so integrated into sqaud play

[runic meteor]

With the two mags of sten I could kill like 12 people lol

[icy sluice]

My friend is able to get the BF4 premium pass for free but not me

[runic meteor]

It has never been so worthless

Ammo dumps everywhere

Doesn't even resupply explosives

[solid hinge]

Well we clearly had a different experience

[runic meteor]

And barely competes against recon lol

[solid hinge]

Yes i agree it shoukd resupply explosives,

[icy sluice]

Ammo Crate should do that

Not the pouch

[runic meteor]

There is no point to supports throwing you ammo when you have to go to an ammo station anyway

Ammo crates don't resupply explosives either

It's worthless

[solid hinge]

I’ve always played support in BF games , and aside from guns its been useless on other BF’s

[runic meteor]

As have I

And it's been way more effective in every other bf game

[icy sluice]

Well, what if you're nowhere near an ammo station?

[solid hinge]

but i dont make it my mission to go to supply stations

[runic meteor]

They're everywhere lol

[solid hinge]

Its a passive thing

[runic meteor]

You find them between points

Everywhere

[turbid badger]

^

[solid hinge]

They are all on objectives

[runic meteor]

Even on narvik

[solid hinge]

And half are blown up

[runic meteor]

And you can rebuild them

[solid hinge]

Essentially with your viewpoint

Medics might as well be useless

[turbid badger]

They need to fix customization

[solid hinge]

Because you can wait until you find a supply poiny

[runic meteor]

On narvik there are like 4 different places that you can build supply depots outside of points

[turbid badger]

^

[solid hinge]

its the same standing, you dont need a medic or support, but they are alot more important this time around

[runic meteor]

At least with medic pouches you can carry a spare

[solid hinge]

What could they do to improve support class

[runic meteor]

And medics revive outside of squad mates

And revive faster

And have smoke to cover revives

[solid hinge]

How has supoort class got worse since BF1?

[runic meteor]

What does support do?

[solid hinge]

ammo

And on BFV

[turbid badger]

Support has gotten better

[solid hinge]

Anti tank

[runic meteor]

Even their anti vehicle is trash

[solid hinge]

And fortifications

[runic meteor]

The mines are garbage

[solid hinge]

What

[runic meteor]

I'd take limpets any day

[turbid badger]

50 dmg

[solid hinge]

40 damage with a mine

Im on about at mines

[runic meteor]

If I could carry two limpets I'd be raping tanks

[turbid badger]

[runic meteor]

Instead I have to run up place mines next to a tank and shoot them lol

[solid hinge]

If anything, the recon class is out of the loop in this BF

[runic meteor]

And you can only have two out at a time

[solid hinge]

assault is only needed if theres a tank

but its guns are the best atm

[turbid badger]

Recon in bfv is useless
They are just an annoyance

[runic meteor]

Supports in bf3 bf4 and bf1 all were better active anti vehicle classes

You could use c4 or limpets and wreck

Resupply explosives

[solid hinge]

With BF1’s tank mechanics

[runic meteor]

Have mgs that actually killed and suppressed

Bipods that weren't trash

[icy sluice]

Spotting people can be useful

[solid hinge]

You had less of a chance if putting a limpet on a tank

[runic meteor]

lol what?

[icy sluice]

As recon of course

[runic meteor]

It's just as easy with bfv's tank turrets

[solid hinge]

And the supoort class on BFV was the engineer roles

[runic meteor]

By the time the turret turns if have two limpets on it already lol

[solid hinge]

remember each class in BETA dosent represent the class properly

[turbid badger]

^

[solid hinge]

With BFV the lines are blurred between classes

So solo players can fufill more roles

[runic meteor]

Bf1 support was engineer as well

Repair tool was a support gadget

[solid hinge]

It was support with a repair tool

[turbid badger]

Reflex sights are inaccurate, especially on the fg42

[runic meteor]

It's still part of the class role

[solid hinge]

It was unalligned

A bug

[turbid badger]

yea

i know

but reeee

[runic meteor]

Like I said worst support class I've seen so far

I just hope the bar isn't shit too

[turbid badger]

Drilling tho

👉 😎 👉

[runic meteor]

Whoa

A double barrel shotgun

Stop the press

[solid hinge]

Drilling was very good

Battlenite

[turbid badger]

Triple

Lol

[runic meteor]

Like I said

[solid hinge]

you are literally just STG pro

[runic meteor]

The rifle round is good

[solid hinge]

Everything else is bad

[runic meteor]

The actual buckshot is inconsistent

[turbid badger]

Very

[solid hinge]

drilling 30 with no upgrades was insane

[turbid badger]

15 damage at point blank

[runic meteor]

Funny you say that because my stg was only a level 4

[solid hinge]

well what did you use then

[turbid badger]

My m30 was level 8

[solid hinge]

M30 i got to level 3 first game

[turbid badger]

Same

[solid hinge]

Running around c point on narvik was fun

[runic meteor]

My top weapons were the fg42 level 10, m1a1 carbine level 10, Bren level 10

[solid hinge]

Whats your opinion on M1A1

[turbid badger]

Tank turret rotation needs to be improved

[icy sluice]

M1A1 was nice

[solid hinge]

for me the iron sight was awful due to the recoil pattern

[runic meteor]

I like it but needs more ammo

[solid hinge]

And the ammo was toonlow

[runic meteor]

The upgraded sights are good

[solid hinge]

It needed another mag

[turbid badger]

I picked it up and spammed a guy to death with the m1a1

[solid hinge]

The medium scope was nice

[runic meteor]

When it gets mid of the range adjuster

5 shot is a lot but it's a skill cannon

[solid hinge]

wat is dis?

[runic meteor]

You need to land headshots

And I landed quite a few

[solid hinge]

Yeah deffinately

[turbid badger]

Rip jager

[solid hinge]

Its a trigger finger gun for sure

[runic meteor]

I wanted to try the aperture sight but it was glitched

[solid hinge]

alot of sights were glitched

Or missaligned

[runic meteor]

I'd just use the factory new sights

[solid hinge]

For some guns

[strong parrot]

@icy sluice Are you feeling ill? to say the m1a1 was nice

[runic meteor]

The fg42's AA sights were glitched

[solid hinge]

I hope MMG’s allow ADS on this BF

[turbid badger]

I wanted aperture for m30

[solid hinge]

From alpha footage it looked awful using the mg34

[runic meteor]

I squad wiped pretty good with the m1a1

I used the extended mag

It just sucks to only spawn with one mag

[icy sluice]

I really enjoyed using the M1A1

[runic meteor]

31 rounds

[solid hinge]

when it does a similar damage to the STG

But gets half the ammo

[strong parrot]

idk I tried it...tap firing at med range there so much sway to it

and the limited ammo...i just cant see using it over an stg

[solid hinge]

You had to use bettee siggtd

[runic meteor]

It's better with the upgrades

[solid hinge]

Iron sight was awful

[runic meteor]

And it's great for headshots

[strong parrot]

yeah, probably good with upgrades but i just didnt see a reason to use it in the beta

[solid hinge]

The problem about it was

[strong parrot]

m30 though....oof need more of that

[runic meteor]

I countersniped quite a few recons with it

[solid hinge]

That either the STG or G43 were better

Dependant what play style

[runic meteor]

I didn't like the g43 much

[solid hinge]

G43 was more of a DMR role

[runic meteor]

Too much horizontal recoil for a rifle

[strong parrot]

same...had the same issue why would I want to use the g43 which has 20 less rounds and fires slower

[solid hinge]

then the STG was the usual run and gun role

[runic meteor]

I felt like the turner smle filled the role better

[strong parrot]

guess thats saying something about the jack of all trades battle rifle

[solid hinge]

I never got to use that

[storm marlin]

they did a really good job recreated Rotterdam

[runic meteor]

With the fire rate upgrade the turner was beast

[strong parrot]

is the turner a british version of a garand?

[runic meteor]

No

[strong parrot]

I saw it in a video pre beta...and it looked like the same clip magazine lol..just 10 rounds

[solid hinge]

Its a self loading version of the SMLE

[strong parrot]

then I saw the name wasnt aware of it before

[runic meteor]

It's a smle fitted with a semi auto receiver

[icy sluice]

Immediate "No"

[runic meteor]

I mean I guess you could say yes

[solid hinge]

If you mean is it semi auto like the garand

Then hes

[runic meteor]

It's a slr

[solid hinge]

Yes

[strong parrot]

same as the garand in the sense of how its semi auto clip fed from the top

[runic meteor]

But it's a bolt action rifle fitted to fire semi auto

[solid hinge]

yes

[strong parrot]

not...a carbon copy

[solid hinge]

I think its in BF1 as well

[runic meteor]

I think it is bandolier fed

[solid hinge]

Under a didferent name

[runic meteor]

No it's not

The howell is different

[solid hinge]

Thats it

That had an awful sight the howell

[runic meteor]

The howell is a smle with the bolt fitted with a mechanism that works the bolt

[storm marlin]

google chrome is ugly as shit now

[solid hinge]

its actually cooler

Lol

[storm marlin]

ye somewhat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5oOJUUW74&t=29s

getting those beta flashbacks

[solid hinge]

lol

loved dat movie

[storm marlin]

ye me too

i want to rewatch it now

[solid hinge]

i already did 3 times

c;

there is a new movie called Hurricane

[storm marlin]

i saw it once in theaters

[solid hinge]

it sounds cool

[storm marlin]

i want to see operation finale soon

hacksaw ridge was bad

saving private ryan is gread

[solid hinge]

hacksaw ridge was great

[storm marlin]

yeah but it got repeditive

not to say this didnt happen, but every scene felt like a slow motion shot of someones intestines spilling out, it just felt a little unnecessary

[eternal holly]

Is it just me or the Siogren Inertial Slug feels really good (Battlefield 1)

[storm marlin]

yes me too

its in battlefield v too

you can see it in the trailer

[devout tree]

Yo the Premium Pass for BF1 is free

[turbid badger]

Yea

Until 18th

Turret rotation on tanks needs to be tied with your tank sensitivity

[eternal holly]

so, are there other/better long ranged shotguns than the Sjogren Inertial Slug?

[turbid badger]

Ye

Model 1900 best slug

[eternal holly]

can it snipe people like the Sjogren can?

[turbid badger]

slug

[eternal holly]

yeah but the Sjogren Inertial Slug is a slug and can snipe people 40 meters away

[turbid badger]

yea so can any slug

[eternal holly]

ah, damn, so shotties are alot better in battlefield 1 than most other shooters then

in most shooters shotties can barely reach 15 meters

[turbid badger]

Model 1900 factory has great range

[runic meteor]

1900 slug and the model 10 slug are the best slug shotties

1900 is a monster

Headshots all day

[eternal holly]

how do I unlock the 1900 slug? it tells me to complete its assignement

ah

found it

gotta do tasks

[topaz dome]

Tell your friends! Battlefield 1 for $5! + can get premium for free (premium includes the expansions)!

[orchid cloud]

Here come the newbs

[neon loom]

I saw that, but I already have everything

$5 is a steal

[spiral prism]

but its bf1

[neon loom]

And?

[compact oxide]

It's still the newest BF game for another month or two

Not too bad either, although I'm missing the beta

[knotty torrent]

anyone know if BFBC2 still has a playerbase?

considering buying it on the steam sale

[neon loom]

So what does everyone think about bfv so far? I'm coming up with a pros, debatable, and cons list. Some of the cons can be fixable though

I guess it can technically all be fixed but not likely

[icy sluice]

The upgrades list is in my neutral stance, I know it can be changed, it's just at it's current state, it's shit

Like the upgrade actual tree, not the fact that you need to quit

And I know it will be gone by release

[neon loom]

Yeah I didn't realize how dumb it was until I was in the shower and thought about it

[icy sluice]

The fact you have to quit

[neon loom]

Shower thoughts

I don't know about being gone before launch

People are saying the game will have lack of content

But we are getting 35 guns, 8 maps, and 8 gamemodes at launch

That doesn't sound like lack of content

[icy sluice]

People are saying "WELL BATTLEFIELD 4"

The thing is, that was modern and of course there is more guns

[neon loom]

EXACTLY

And everyone is saying the map size is like cod maps

[compact oxide]

I like the smaller maps

They aren't running Sims like Sinai

[icy sluice]

Also, North Afrika will be a bigger map

*Africa

[neon loom]

Yeah I'm really excited for that one

I can't think of any pros. Not because I don't like the game (I love it), but because it's just a new game

I don't know what else to say

[compact oxide]

Tbh I liked most of it

[neon loom]

I don't think there is anything I hate

Same

[waxen terrace]

Anyone of u got premium pass

[neon loom]

I mean the occasional bug and inconvenience but those happen with everything

I do

[compact oxide]

The STG balancing was a pos but other than that it was goof

[waxen terrace]

It is not available in my region

[neon loom]

Was the stg the default assault gun?

[icy sluice]

Yes

[compact oxide]

@neon loom yeah

I ran around with it a little and even unupgraded it's just so much better than every other gun that I refused to use it for the rest of the beta

[unreal charm]

it was

[violet locust]

New Road to Battlefield V stuff 👀

[unreal charm]

arras & gewher

[compact oxide]

That second one is the same skin as before right?

[unreal charm]

yes

[compact oxide]

Well that's lazy

[violet locust]

This skin tho

[icy sluice]

I hope we get the Gewehr 98 or something

[unreal charm]

what's not lazy is putting the hook

[icy sluice]

And the Saber

[unreal charm]

i've already got the saber, so......

[compact oxide]

The grappling hook was the last melee weapon I needed to unlock, but I have them all now

I've got 200+ kills with the Saber 😛

[neon loom]

I should go to sleep but I like talking about this stuff

Did I miss anything extra cool or anything for bfv through the road to bfv stuff? I only did the first 3 weeks I think

[compact oxide]

They had a unique skin for the 1906, although it was just a red version of the original legendary skin

Tbh that's the only skin I really cared about in that, unless they add the black 1906 skin

[violet locust]

feels so weird going back to BF1 😄

[runic meteor]

Where did 35 guns come from?

I'm just saying 35 guns still isn't a lot

Consider this

Bf1 launched with 18 sidearms alone

[spiral prism]

consider this

[runic meteor]

15 if you don't count the pocket pistols

Plus free dlc

[spiral prism]

bf1 has unique class sidearms at launch and it should have been that way for all of them

[runic meteor]

So we're not going to see a lot of post launch weapons

[neon loom]

Honestly not sure @runic meteor I remember seeing it somewhere but it probably wasn't a reliable source. I shouldn't use that number

[spiral prism]

18 sounds high

[runic meteor]

Nope

It's 18 if you count the pocket pistols

[neon loom]

For primaries? Or for sidearms

[compact oxide]

They should've shared the pistols between classes, I wish I could have the tachenpistole with all of them

[runic meteor]

Sidearms

Pistols and revolvers

[zealous void]

Sidearms - M1911 · P08 Pistol · Mle 1903 · No. 3 Revolver · C93 · Kolibri · M1911A1 · Peacekeeper

[runic meteor]

After dlc there are 21 sidearms

[zealous void]

lol

[runic meteor]

What

[neon loom]

Alright well I should go to bed

Goodnight everyone

[zealous void]

Sidearms - M1911 · P08 Pistol · Mle 1903 · No. 3 Revolver · C93 · Kolibri · M1911A1 · Peacekeeper
Sidearms - Gasser M1870 · 1903 Hammerless · Howdah Pist
Sidearms - Auto Revolver · Taschenpistole M1914 · C96
Sidearms - Bull Dog Revolver · Modello 1915 · Repetierpistole M1912
Sidearms - Bodeo 1889 · Frommer Stop · Mars Automatic

the full list

[neon loom]

What about that one from the Russian dlc that was really op?

[zealous void]

??

Obrez?

[runic meteor]

I didn't count the kolibri and the peacekeeper

[zealous void]

And i mean just launch sidearms, not full full, sorry

[neon loom]

Really excited for this guy. Would rather have suppressed sniper but I'll still use it

[compact oxide]

Peacekeeper is best sidearm

[neon loom]

Yeah the obrez

[zealous void]

That's not how it works anymore @neon loom

Archetypes have been replaced

[runic meteor]

I love my peacekeeper

[neon loom]

Excuse me?

They better not have

[runic meteor]

Yep

[neon loom]

What happened to them?

[zealous void]

By Combat Roles

[runic meteor]

Say goodbye to that shit

It's stupid to bind weapons to perks

[neon loom]

Where did you get this info?

[runic meteor]

They were gone on the beta

[neon loom]

Yeah... It's a beta though

[compact oxide]

Is there actually any difference between combat roles and archetypes though?

[runic meteor]

Yeah

[compact oxide]

Other than name?

[solid hinge]

hello

[runic meteor]

Combat roles are tied to gadgets

[zealous void]

They confirmed it somewhere @neon loom i dont remember wyhere

[runic meteor]

Archetypes were tied to specific weapons, gadgets and perks

[compact oxide]

Okay so basically more freedom then

[runic meteor]

Yeah

[compact oxide]

Sounds better

[runic meteor]

It's better

Like the support archetype was stupid

[neon loom]

Wait so I can still be a paratrooper with silent steps?

[zealous void]

🤷

[runic meteor]

It gave you an mg34 that you can't ads with unless bipoded and made you equip flares and an ammo box

[compact oxide]

That MG34 suits some people fine

[icy sluice]

Garrotte

[zealous void]

The MG34 was awesome

[compact oxide]

I wasn't keen but some of my clan mates are

[runic meteor]

Yeah but it was stupid to not be able to ads

It just made the class really campy

[compact oxide]

Exactly

[zealous void]

That's the point

Defense.

[runic meteor]

Plus add in the flares and it's a horror show

[zealous void]

LOL

[neon loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/battlefield-5-companies-combat-roles-and-customization-detailed-in-a-new-trailer/

[runic meteor]

People just hiding on sandbags shooting flares and waiting the whole time

Makes the class and game boring

I want to be able to fire and maneuver

[compact oxide]

That's what snipers did in the beta anyway though

[turbid badger]

Snipers were useless in the beta

[neon loom]

Well I'm kinda concerned about this whole combat roles thing now

[runic meteor]

I had quite a few friends go aggro with scout

[neon loom]

I did too!

[compact oxide]

I was a super aggressive scout the whole beta tbh, I love the ZH

[runic meteor]

It can still be played aggressive but you have to be a headshot machine

[south lynx]

Nah.

[compact oxide]

Double tap

[south lynx]

ZH 29

[runic meteor]

Yeah he zh is good

[neon loom]

I really hope they don't mess up the combat roles. I was really excited for those.

[turbid badger]

M30 drilling was the best when u play aggressive

[south lynx]

Two shot to the chest and down they go.

[neon loom]

Yeah I thought zh would be trash but no that was amazing

Ok now I go to bed

Goodnight

[compact oxide]

Drilling is a sniper though

[turbid badger]

Zh is a worse rsc but with a scope

[runic meteor]

Yeah but most of the time you're not getting a chance to shoot twice with a stg or mp40 in your face

[compact oxide]

@turbid badger wtf

[south lynx]

Also, Lee-Enfield with rapid cycle and ironsights is shockingly good at medium ranges.

It shoots damned quick.

[compact oxide]

It's sooo much better than the RSC

[turbid badger]

1 less bullet

[runic meteor]

No way

[turbid badger]

Le dab

[runic meteor]

Rsc for life

[compact oxide]

Goes to 6 with the magazine upgrade

[turbid badger]

heckk

[compact oxide]

Hence point invalid

[runic meteor]

Rsc 2 shot up to 70 meters

[turbid badger]

Thats a upgrade not the standard weapon shut hecc

[runic meteor]

And probably has a faster fire rate

[compact oxide]

Same fire rate if you go left upgrade tree, it's higher velocity, can put better scopes on and is accurate and controlled as all fuck

[storm marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeKF-60uq_M&index=18&list=PLzoQ-QYk9K2nUDr36Pne_3vohaCSMIidH

oh the feels

[compact oxide]

I went around with the RSC optical last night and it was depressing

[turbid badger]

Despacito

[icy sluice]

How was it depressing?

[compact oxide]

Nowhere near as controlled, accurate or high velocity

Accuracy isn't so much of an issue on the optical though but it's still kinda eh

I think a lot of it was my inability to shoot with the velocity

[turbid badger]

maybe because its a world war 1 weapon

[spiral prism]

StG med scope was op af

[turbid badger]

Gewher 43

[storm marlin]

gewehr 43 with med scope was amazing

[waxen terrace]

Did anyone got premium pass?

[storm marlin]

i already have it

look at this drawing from circa ww1

translates to "The Dog Ambulance"

[turbid badger]

I thought that was furry stuff

Was bouta reee

[waxen crystal]

So cool

I'm saving it

[orchid cloud]

Does anyone know why people are reeing about historical accuratcy yet a battlefield game has never been historically accurate?

[runic meteor]

Bcuz wahman nd blk pepo

[orchid cloud]

Oh no

No wahman in my games

[runic meteor]

And cyborg ninja steampunk cosmetics

And fortnite building and color palettes

Apparently the whole entire earth was a dull color in the 1940s lol

[orchid cloud]

I guess the design for the outfits could be a bit more ww2

But other then that I think it captures WW2 pretty well

[runic meteor]

I mean I didn't feel like they were over the top while playing

[south lynx]

The only historical outrage I can muster is that the Tiger is the wrong shade.

[runic meteor]

But then again I don't really care all that much as I'm not concentrating on what people are wearing as bullets fly

[south lynx]

The outfits use WWII-era equipment. There was actually a pretty good debate about it where folks found most of the equipment in photos.

They're not standard kit generally, but the gear is all real.

[orchid cloud]

Especially when your with a group of people silently running to a building and all you can hear is artillery and footsteps on brick.

Yeah but like

[runic meteor]

I even found ww2 prosthetics

[icy sluice]

For years we've been using non-standard gear, now we're dressing up non-standard

[orchid cloud]

Idk makes no sense to me how people can complain when they had nothing to say when bf1 came out.

[runic meteor]

Someone posted the schematics for a battery powered prosthetic arm in ww2

[orchid cloud]

Bf1 is so historically inaccurate it hurts a bit but who cares its just a game.

[runic meteor]

It looked cool

[orchid cloud]

But nobody ever used them in battle lol

[south lynx]

The actual prosthetic used in the trailer is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8urUSfs15e8

[runic meteor]

Yeah bf1 is nowhere near accurate

Not even remotely close

In any aspect

[orchid cloud]

Yep

Idk why they thought they could get away with a ww1 game with no trench's lol

[south lynx]

The tanks are way too fast for starters.

Well there were portions of WWI that were fought in maneuver.

[orchid cloud]

And the battles would never ever happen like that

[south lynx]

It wasn't entirely stagnant.

[orchid cloud]

And they never used full autos in that way

Only machine guns

They mostly used semi auto stripper clip guns

Afaik

[south lynx]

Actually the primary arm was bolt action.

[orchid cloud]

Oh

Makes sense

[south lynx]

All nations were still relying heavily on bolt-action battle rifles.

[orchid cloud]

Yeah but still

That's nothing like the automatico etc

[south lynx]

Semi-autos weren't adopted until after the war, and many combatants actually entered WWII with bolt-action rifles as the standard battle rifle.

[orchid cloud]

The authentic ww1 experience can be sorta felt with the game verdun.

[spiral prism]

good thing the game isn't going to be realistic

[south lynx]

The British, Germans, and Russians all still had the same rifle as their standard battle rifle in WWII.

[orchid cloud]

Makes sense

What was standard issue in 1943? The Thompson?

[south lynx]

The French would have had a good semi-auto going into WWII, but French armament adoption was fucked.

For the US?

[orchid cloud]

Yeah

[south lynx]

M1 Garand.

[orchid cloud]

Really?

[south lynx]

Yes, SMGs were for rear echelon troops or specialists.

They weren't considered to have the necessary range or stopping power for combat work.

[orchid cloud]

I see

[solid hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gozrEDoZyG4

[south lynx]

The Russians were unique in adopting high proportions of SMGs in their units.

[orchid cloud]

Nobody cares

The censor thing is broken

Please stop

Cool.

Very interesting.

[spiral prism]

THEY WEREN'T CENSORING WHITE MAN

[south lynx]

You can find pictures of Russian shock troops riding T-34s into battle, where the entire squad has PPSh-41s.

[solid hinge]

Ok

I was about to say that I doubt thats what happened

But no

[spiral prism]

You people need to learn to test stuff

[solid hinge]

Go ahead

Keep at it

[spiral prism]

Instead of believing what people say

[solid hinge]

m8.. Read what I just said

LOL

[spiral prism]

Was directed at about everyone not you

[orchid cloud]

You literally posted a YouTube video with no added words or discussion. If I wanted to watch a shitty YouTube drama video I would go into trending.

You added nothing to the video

[solid hinge]

So you randomly decided to address everyone about that

Ok

[orchid cloud]

Just plugged the vid

[spiral prism]

Its about the video

[orchid cloud]

That's pretty annoying

Anyway

I've always wished to see some authentic pov ww2 footage but that will never happen.

Ive always just wondered what the average soldier would see

Like I want to see it

[solid hinge]

[orchid cloud]

Engagement distance etc

[south lynx]

There's some footage from combat cameramen that's pretty close.

[spiral prism]

BF1 is very accurate

Let me tell you about the one guy running around with an SMLE killing people within certain distances but not any closer

[south lynx]

The Cologne tank duel is probably the most famous bit of ground-level combat footage from WWII.

[remote lion]

Nobody cares about the censorship thing yeah all the haters are just russian bots 🤖

[solid hinge]

Beep boop beep

[orchid cloud]

They still used trenches a bit in ww2 right?

[spiral prism]

I couldn't tell people to git gud

[remote lion]

Am I right fellow russian bots

[spiral prism]

that was kinda annoying

[solid hinge]

BEEP BOOP BEEP

[spiral prism]

since git was censored

[remote lion]

MAGGOT

[solid hinge]

🤖

[orchid cloud]

Or was it more of a gurilla warfare.

[spiral prism]

I couldn't even go g i t g u d since the censorship is semi smart

[orchid cloud]

You know what's really annoying? Spamming caps and emojis in the middle of a discussion.

[south lynx]

Trenches were used, mostly in heavy fortifications like the Atlantic Wall, but they weren't as common, and there weren't really the trench-to-trench standoffs of WWI.

[spiral prism]

[solid hinge]

3 blocked messages

[spiral prism]

blocking people

[orchid cloud]

@south lynx so how were most battles fought

Like battles today?

Well

Without the drones?

Long distances etc?

[south lynx]

WWII was dominated by maneuver warfare, as the abundance of vehicles on the allied side, and maturation of combined arms meant that strongholds could be isolated and taken.

The term used at the time was the 'empty battlefield' because troops needed to be decentralized to avoid mass casualties from artillery and MGs.

Hence the use of foxholes over trenches when digging in to defensive positions.

[orchid cloud]

Ah

Okay

Makes sense

[spiral prism]

Trenches are good targets for artillery

[orchid cloud]

I've always found ww2 to be there most captivating war in history.

So much info

[spiral prism]

Since they don't exactly move and people can't exactly leave them

[orchid cloud]

Yeah

Was artillery in 1918 lacking?

[spiral prism]

It sure was used

[orchid cloud]

Well yeah

[spiral prism]

Just not enough to obviously remove trench warfare

[orchid cloud]

Interesting

So most movies are dramatized depictions of ww2 right?

[spiral prism]

duh

Real battle aren't exactly exciting to watch generally

[orchid cloud]

Well I'm trying to find a way to see what it really looked like

Is there a movie that's close?

[runic meteor]

Artillery was the number one killer in ww1

Killed the most people

By a long shot

[south lynx]

@orchid cloud Watch Band of Brothers.

[orchid cloud]

Alright thanks.

Will do

Coming from you I trust it

[south lynx]

And WWI saw the rapid development of artillery. The French 75 was a revolution in artillery.

[orchid cloud]

Ha, the french.

[runic meteor]

Trenches were actually the only place you're safe from artillery

[south lynx]

Entirely new tactics, pre-planned fire, computed fire, rolling barrages, all were pioneered in WWI.

[runic meteor]

The Germans artillery was serious

[south lynx]

In addition to things like the superquick fuse.

[spiral prism]

and countries were still using older tactics

[runic meteor]

They had huge cannons

[spiral prism]

Bigger bombs < more bombs

[orchid cloud]

Didn't they like shoot right in front of their own troops and then slowly move up with the troops so everything in front got hit and the troops were fine or is that a myth?

[spiral prism]

If you can fire 1 really big shell once a minute vs 3 smaller ones

Which do you choose to get the most causalities

[runic meteor]

They would drop a barrage on the enemy lines so the soldiers would leave their emplacements while friendlies push the line

Or they would get chewed up by mg fire

[orchid cloud]

Jesus.

I can't even imagine the horror of that war

[runic meteor]

Yeah ww1 sucked

I would fill my pants up

[orchid cloud]

I'm talking about 2

But like 1 was much more scary

[spiral prism]

WW1 was bad

[runic meteor]

Oh I was talking about ww1

[desert dune]

Both wars were awful. WWI saw the first use of modern warfare. WWII saw the first use of true modern warfare.

[runic meteor]

Ww2 was a much more pure form of combat

[orchid cloud]

WW2 was much more cushy compared to ww1 afaik

[spiral prism]

At least in WW2 countries were slightly prepared for the combat

[south lynx]

@orchid cloud what you described is a rolling barrage.

[runic meteor]

With tactics like flanking

[remote lion]

why the hecc are we talking about ww2 in a battlefield channel?

[spiral prism]

I'm guessing you delay each cannon so you get constant fire

With no downtime

[runic meteor]

Platoon tactics were much more advanced as well with mobile mortar and machine gun squads

[orchid cloud]

Like ww1 was just.. making trenchs out of your comrades.. jesus

Literally mounds of dead bodies

Still warm from life

[remote lion]

I thought people didn't care about 'realism' anymore

[runic meteor]

Ww2 is fun

[orchid cloud]

We don't. Do you have a problem with historical discussion?

[spiral prism]

You can easily use artillery as a psychological weapon

[orchid cloud]

Since it's all like boom and rattles your bones

[south lynx]

@orchid cloud That's not entirely an accurate characterization of WWI. The trench warfare phase is most famous, but WWI also consisted of maneuver warfare phases.

[runic meteor]

Ww1 was live in a trench like an animal for weeks and then some guy blows a whistle to charge and you die

[spiral prism]

Trench warfare was limited to a few fronts

[south lynx]

Trench warfare developed because they didn't have the tactics to break trenches in the face of MG nests and increasingly-effective artillery.

[spiral prism]

Since trenches aren't exactly easy to build

[remote lion]

Yeah I do have a problem with a historical discussion in a battlefield channel in 2018 it sounds kinda oxymoronic when you think about it

[storm gulch]

They super easy, get a shovel, scoop, and then that's it

[spiral prism]

and not die to anyone shooting at you

[orchid cloud]

Haha

[spiral prism]

and you want more than just a hole

[orchid cloud]

They actually constructed the trenches they had rooms and stuff dud e

[storm gulch]

Me in a hole is all I need

[orchid cloud]

Foxhole

[south lynx]

Well no, there's an art to laying out trenches. They need to be reinforced to not collapse, and they need to have regular bends in them to prevent shell bursts from casting splinters the length of the trench and killing everyone.

[orchid cloud]

And supply routes that make sense

[south lynx]

They've got to have drainage, and they need to be sized for the traffic they're expected to see.

You've got combat trenches, living trenches, communications trenches, supply trenches, etc.

[orchid cloud]

And sniper nests, whatever you call that little bit of the trench that pokes out of the main trench into no man's land

They did dig trench's tho, but they used them for cover only afaik and lived in the big trenches full of stuff.

Most had ladders and stuff

Man you know what would suck. Getting stabbed with a bayonet.

[storm gulch]

[spiral prism]

dying of sepsis since you got shot 2 weeks ago

[storm gulch]

Getting stabbed then having your guts swirled around like a fork in spaghetti

[orchid cloud]

Please look

Lol*

[desert dune]

Bayonets weren't always efficient either.

[orchid cloud]

Jesus that hurt me

[south lynx]

You had to be within four feet of guy? That's not efficient.

[orchid cloud]

Yeah