I don't need that
#battlefield-legacy-titles
silk mist
solid hinge
we need big pp operators
no u
To be honest guys - for me the Battlefield 5 beta has been the biggest disappointment I have had in gaming for years
novel axle
^
solid hinge
@solid hinge dont be this dramatic man
wary mason
Bfv is pretty good tbh
novel axle
I skipped 4 and 1 and this is
well it's a buggy fucking mess but
it's fun
christmas sale purchase for sure
solid hinge
its buggy cuz its a beta and its run by ea
pliant geyser
The bugs arent the reason why the beta is bad.
solid hinge
@wary mason you are the Admin here so you have got to say it is good
pliant geyser
The gameplay, maps and art design are fundamentally bad.
wary mason
Core gameplay is there, only thing that bothers me is the getting in the same game with friends
Ah okay my opinion is supressed cause of my status here
Sure buddy
pliant geyser
BF5 feels like a another game trying to play dress up as a battlefield game
solid hinge
little things they have to adjust in this beta are: private squad bug,granade launcher that sucks,over powered airplanes and tanks
with an AA i do 1 damage per hit
The only few positive attributes I can give this game are the following: gunplay, less explosive spam, better balanced vehicles
but that's it
silk mist
Things will be better when we have more maps and weapons and vehicles
wary mason
2months is a lot of time to fine tune things
solid hinge
i dont see a better balanced vehicles man@solid hinge
wary mason
Planes are pretty weak imo, tanks are fine
silk mist
Vehicles are pretty balanced
solid hinge
i mean
solid hinge
i had to shoot 5 rocket to kill one
No one wants to have infantry farming planes with loads of splash damage back
silk mist
Maybe that, increased spawn time
versed notch
1 assault shouldn't be able to take down a tank by himself lol
neat scaffold
They cant spam they would have to head back and reload
silk mist
Yes
wary mason
The planes as for now have a bug that they dont turn properly if your vehicle sensitivity isnt at 100
south lynx
@wary mason Planes with default configs are weak, but vehicle upgrades have been bugged. They're only going to get more potent when specializations actually work.
wary mason
So its hard to tell how effective they actually are as for now
neat scaffold
Yeah
wary mason
I dont think there is
solid hinge
@versed notch yes thats true but 5 rockets are a little to much for the weaker tanks
versed notch
fair point
wary mason
Would a pain to manage that role for 17,5k users
neat scaffold
Lel
wary mason
I really dont see that happening unfortunately
novel axle
I don't get the planes at all, I sucked at them in bf3 but these are insane, I can't do anything in them
misty wave
its a bit rough around the edges but it's super fun, just a shame there are only 2 urban maps on launch
silk mist
The only problem with vehicles is that new people will always get beaten by people with fully upgraded vehicles
south lynx
Hunter, what's your major issue, maneuvering, target spotting, or control?
silk mist
Yes
novel axle
all of them, feels like I'm driving a bath tub
solid hinge
I'm getting more framed in 4k than 1920x1080
silk mist
It's good now finally
solid hinge
what is this magic
silk mist
Praise the 4k god
misty wave
you got a vega Khan?
neat scaffold
🤔🤔
novel axle
need to play with the controls at some point and give it a proper try
solid hinge
1050ti
south lynx
Okay, for control, I find that using mixed controls works really well. WASD for coarse pitch/roll adjustment, and mouse pitch/yaw for fine aim.
solid hinge
that's the joke here
neat scaffold
@novel axle the Y axis is inverted by default on BFV beta fyi
misty wave
oh, well amd seems to have really good performance at 4k in this game
solid hinge
50-60 fps average on 1920x1080
novel axle
aye, my discord was treated to me screaming and crashing into the floor the first time I got into one
solid hinge
60-80 with 4k
novel axle
fixed that pronto
south lynx
For maneuvering, the big thing in air to air is to not turn in plane with your enemy. If they're turning in a circle, you could theoretically lay that circle flat on a pane of glass, that would be their maneuvering plane. You want to offset your own turning circle so it's not on that plane.
neat scaffold
But its funny how i had to invert already inverted controls lel
south lynx
In air to ground, you want to start high and away, and go for a moderately steep dive.
solid hinge
🅱 🅱
misty wave
have they added a look-back button yet?
south lynx
Don't get target fixated, pull up early and go for another run instead of trying to squeeze in an extra second or two on target.
novel axle
hopefully there are some mech warfare style maps at launch to practice on
that always helped before
south lynx
Oh, also for controls, get comfortable with swapping between third and first person, and bind free look. You can only free look and zoom while in first person.
neat scaffold
I just turn when they do but while lowering throttle and burst fire @south lynx thats what works for me
broken glade
origin friends list down?
novel axle
speaking of free look, not sure how best to manage that in tanks, probably bind it to alt like pubg, at least hte muscle memory is there
south lynx
TBH the game really needs some basic working cockpit instruments. Artificial horizon, altimeter, and airspeed would be golden.
silk mist
This game needs more stuka
neat scaffold
Im always gonna go for the planes in battlefield unless its the jets in the older ones where I cant tell that much if im slowing down or not and by that time I’d have to turn around due to small map lel
silk mist
south lynx
I just wish they had better FMs. Current planes feel really janky if you're used to sims.
neat scaffold
But I fly pretty gud in battlefield 1 and now V
Just in battlefield 1 I have to stay the fuck away from AA
versed notch
planes were really vulnerable in bf1
versed notch
but when people weren't looking up, there goes 100 kill in an operations game
south lynx
And flak will rip the fighters up quite fast. Not as good against bombers as in BF1, but still enough to wave them off. Plus repairs are a lot slower.
neat scaffold
They were more vulnerable in real WW1 as well after all they are just kites with embedded engine and guns @versed notch
south lynx
Not like WWII fighters were that much better really. A couple millimeters of aluminum is hardly going to slow a bullet, much less stop it.
neat scaffold
Yup and engines
novel axle
oh god the fg42 kicks like a mule, this is gonna be fun
versed notch
I want to try the MG42 in BFV, it's probably going to kick like the Parabellum
neat scaffold
@south lynx yeah until u get to the 50 caliber bullets by the americans lol
south lynx
@neat scaffold I think you misunderstood me. Even .30 cal will go through a WWII aircraft fuselage with no problem. .50 and up was for punching through armor plate, and carrying incendiary or explosive filler.
Though even .30 AP could do it at closer ranges.
neat scaffold
Probably did its early in the morning lel im only up this early on a saturday due to waiting until time to head to work
south lynx
WWII fighters, you can push a screwdriver through the skin by hand. Some of them had armor plate, but it was usually concentrated around the pilot fore and aft.
vernal smelt
Hey ! Everytime I launch BFV Beta, all my settings are reset by default... Anyone knows how to fix it ?
south lynx
Ground attackers like the Hs. 129 or IL-2 got lots of armor around the engine and cockpit, but also flew like pigs.
neat scaffold
Yeah lighter armor the faster turn speed
south lynx
Not really, turn rate is a combination of many different factors.
A lighter plane will typically have a sustained turn rate that's somewhat faster, but that's really a limiting function of wing loading and power to weight ratio.
neat scaffold
I know but wasnt that one of them tho?
south lynx
Weight contributes, yes. But the armor plates were pretty light overall, and roll rate was as prized, or more, than pure turn rate.
That's the reason the Soviets tended to take the wing guns out of their P-39s for instance.
neat scaffold
True
I still wonder how the soviets ever thought about putting wings on a tank Makes me wonder what would things be like if they actually got successful at that
Not kidding
They did that
versed notch
genius
neat scaffold
It failed due to recoil of tank turret that would knock off the wings
versed notch
LOL
neat scaffold
Im serious it was a thing
novel axle
I mean, hey, the warthog engineering was insane because the gun tended to shake the entire thing apart
versed notch
I was expecting more of it wouldn't fly to begin with lol
neat scaffold
I will literally dm y’all the image
south lynx
They also tried rocket-propelled tanks at one point, the idea being that you'd use solid rocket boosters to give a brief burst of speed to cross obstacles or close gaps.
versed notch
you can drop it in here
novel axle
not to mention how they had to offset it because it'd spin out otherwise
south lynx
It didn't exactly go well.
south lynx
A lot of the more extreme Soviet tank experiments read like the results of someone saying "hold my vodka"
neat scaffold
No wonder they so Powerful in War thunder
south lynx
Nah, we tried it too, just in different ways.
neat scaffold
Shit gtg brb
south lynx
The British built a tank that could be delivered by glider, the Tetrarch.
neat scaffold
gtg to work
south lynx
Speaking of which, DICE I would like to request a reinforcement...
neat scaffold
Lol
gray glade
What firing a real pak40 actually sounds and looks like: https://youtu.be/T7fhBm1ouSU?t=6m36s
no wonder they destroyed tanks!
south lynx
Well, yes and no. Recording gunfire is very subjective.
Mics just don't have the range to capture it properly, and even if they could, speakers can't reproduce it correctly.
gray glade
dont ruin it
south lynx
Actually, there's a pretty kickass video of DICE's soundteam in action doing some recording that showcases that, let me grab it.
gray glade
nah you ruined it!
south lynx
inland valley
PaK 44 When ?
south lynx
The dust kick up too.
novel axle
no thank you
south lynx
Imagine if BFV PaK 40s blew the snow and dust up like that.
south lynx
Though right now I'd settle for the scope not spazzing out, and them being rotatable by hand.
gentle fulcrum
There's artillery
pliant geyser
good artillery mechanics can make or break the game for me.
simple lame point and click on map bullshit would suck
inland valley
Mosier 18s in the Narvik map
south lynx
Gibonez, you can call V1s as squad leader, the Sturmtiger ought to count too, and the Churchill has a 95mm howitzer option.
So most of your artillery-ish options seem to be AFVs
pliant geyser
Only thing I want is this sexy boy
m116 75mm mountain howitzer
Used by the allies, its light weight short to medium range and still used today
autumn swift
inland valley
pliant geyser
as long as artillery isnt trash like in BF4 im happy
60mm mortar system in bf4 was AWEFUL
inland valley
yes
south lynx
I'd be happy if it required some actual gameplay vaguely reminiscent of artillery.
pliant geyser
yea tell me about it
let us aim the artillery plus set distance
then we fine tune based on friendly advice
have the map also be useable for aiming data, 100m grids etc
south lynx
Traverse, elevation, and charge should be selectable. Go ahead and give players an automatic range readout so they don't have to assemble charts by hand, but actually hitting stuff should require being able to lay the guns.
south lynx
No idea, I didn't know you could.
novel axle
uh, my company and click on vehicle?works for me
frigid roost
Doest work for me
spiral adder
U mean visual?
neat scaffold
And back
novel axle
your company > vehicle > customization > specialization
spiral adder
Omg bully hunters😂
neat scaffold
🤔🤔
pliant geyser
the suppression mechanics need buffing
novel axle
mag dumping til they were blind with an m240b was always good times, miss that
spiral adder
Imo it should make the screen dark so its hard to pop out of cover and hs random dudes.
This wouldn't affect someones aim ofc if they are already shooting at someone
south lynx
I'd like for there to be some audio effects as well, maybe duck the volume on all noises except the gun suppressing you and any rounds cracking by your head, while slightly raising the volume on them.
novel axle
the sound is so fucked right now, who knows what it's meant to do
pliant geyser
SUPPort class needs the ability to build not ust fortifications but field guns anywhere they like
neat scaffold
Why?
south lynx
I'd rather they just fixed Pak 40 dragging so it works.
south lynx
The time it takes to drag a Pak 40 into position with a kettenkrad or Sdkfz 251 and actually get it set up correctly is ridiculous.
fallen halo
Hello, why does the progress of the "combat medic challenge"-assignment in BFV sometimes not count (revive 20 teammates). I am reviving my teammates inside of (conquest) objective areas. It seems like only every 5th or 10th counts.. :(
soft wave
Is this EU also ? 😄
pliant geyser
ophi hence why I wish it were just a buildable thing
wish you could just build a pak40 if you met the right options
inland valley
teal sand
Can I dm someone who is part of DICE? I want to ask him/her about something.
solid hinge
what is the most epic moment you had so far at beta?
mine is 6 multi kill with stuka
teal sand
Noice
There are a lot of bugs and glitches
In my previous match, a tank was glitching.
fallen halo
Nearly destroying my mouse because reviving teammates inside of objective areas does not count as reviving teammates inside of objective areas
teal sand
Have you guys try stuka diving yet?
solid hinge
yess it's the best
teal sand
How many kills you got from it?
solid hinge
usually get doubles because people move together
@solid hinge when there is a plane that falls after a killstreak or something and it explodes
oh that
solid hinge
be squad leader, get +40,000 points with your squad and press B button, aim and press left mouse button
teal sand
I want to ask them a question regarding the BF5 Open Beta Dog Tag
pliant geyser
Yea the inflexibility of the static guns is a big downside of bf5
teal sand
Ye Im gonna dm one of em
pliant geyser
support class could have been this cool dynamic class that fortified areas but also set up anti tank guns, mortars, and other gun positions
it could have set up pill boxes and stuff
solid hinge
um I can understand heavy machine guns
but magically making at gun from thin air is too much
at guns need better shield btw
south lynx
Eh, what about something small like the PzB 41?
south lynx
Not really, it'd still need to be emplaced fully, it's about the size of a large-ish HMG.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/The_British_Army_in_North_Africa_and_the_Middle_East_1942_E9090.jpg I love the ridiculously over-complicated gunshield.
solid hinge
Panzerbüchse 39 could be
Solothurn S-18/100
maybe Solothurn S-18/1000
make inaccurate so you can't snipe infantry that easily
but still able to hit tank
magic vapor
Made it to Finlands top 17 in skill 
pliant geyser
support should be able to build small anti tank guns then
37mm and lower
perhaps even light mortars
inland valley
maybe ?
pliant geyser
it would make static positions more useful
inland valley
ok
solid hinge
37mm against tiger? 
inland valley
xd
solid hinge
bounces off and hits unlucky sniper 100m away
inland valley
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
solid hinge
I wonder if Panzerschreck shield actually stops bullets
inland valley
solid hinge
they could make it so
solid hinge
yeah but only covers upper body a bit
inland valley
Wait Didn't the soviets but nets on T34s
south lynx
Khan, a 37mm killed a Tiger II once. Admittedly, from point blank range, and it surprised the Greyhound crew quite a bit.
Not nets, improvised cage armor, it was steel.
inland valley
S O U R C E ? ! ?
south lynx
Couple of photos floating around, most famous one is of a bunch of infantry riding on a tank in what looks like either Berlin or Stalingrad. Big piles of rubble everywhere.
inland valley
Yeah but what about 37mm killed a Tiger II ?
south lynx
Oh, yeah that was mentioned by The Chieftain I believe, not sure which video of his. Might have been Myths of American Armor.
inland valley
I see
south lynx
Err, sorry for the link gore.
Also, my mistake, was a Tiger, not Tiger II.
Still, neither one had substantial rear armor.
inland valley
Yeah kinda weird it was a Tiger II but ok
inland valley
Yeah that shit is trash
livid bane
How do i zoom my sniper rifle
opal lodge
RMB
rapid blade
i love running to tanks and throwing landmines at them
toxic axle
Talking about toxic I just talk to my friend about that. I think bf5 should have a system that limit scout per team. It's really annoying when half of your team go for scout and my friend go full toxic even beta thou.
solid hinge
Yea, but that wouldnt fix the issue. If theres a class which without a doubt is more OP than all the others - That class would have been a failure to begin wih
daring vale
south lynx
Scouts are actually useful though now.
Spawn beacons are amazing, and the flare is absurdly good.
Getting a spawn beacon behind the enemy lines on Narvik ops is fantastic.
You can cause so much havoc and tie up their reinforcements, makes it super easy to take at least a couple objectives.
rapid blade
medics cant revive themselves 0/10
warm plume
solid hinge
One or two achivements
echo inlet
BFV Beta is shit
solid hinge
@south lynx well we are getting British armored car so I guess there will be moments like that
now that turret speed is slow too haha
south lynx
Which, the AEC or the Staghound?
south lynx
Ah, okay. So 2 pdr.
Wonder if we'll see the Littlejohn adapter for it. That'd be a neat addition.
solid hinge
squeezeboi
south lynx
Yep, neat tech, if rather impractical.
vestal turtle
WTF WHY
solid hinge
noice
novel axle
the kar98 is shit, right, it's not just me?
vestal turtle
its shit idk why its locked to 10 fps in the menu
i have ~60 FPS ingame
but not in the menu
gentle fulcrum
It's the menu why would you fucking care
south lynx
I'm only one level away from the k98 and I haven't even been focusing recon.
south lynx
Howso?
vestal turtle
and if im not in the menu and dont have battlefield in the forground i see it has 30FPS
south lynx
@novel axle Why don't you like the k98?
novel axle
if we trust the in-game stats it does less damage and is less accurate, in addition to having a smaller clip and cycling slower
south lynx
I'm pretty sure in-game stats say it does more damage.
novel axle
although the crosshairs are slightly better and the velocity feels a bit better
south lynx
Anyways, it's a sniper rifle, as long as it can OHKO on a headshot, does damage really matter?
rose pilot
@vestal turtle As it was stated a dozen times before, the beta is an unfinished state of the game. It's still under development. Have you tried turning v-sync on/off?
vestal turtle
V Sync is deactivatedf
in game its just fine but the menu if i have battlefield in the forground i have 10 FPS
pulsar valve
DX12?
vestal turtle
but if its not in the forground the menu has 30FPS
if i have another program above battlefield it shows me 3ßFPS
dx is deactivated
i had it activated and then ingame it was very very laggy
vestal turtle
98% of the medics doesnt revive...
gentle fulcrum
The Hold to skip is not even a skip
vestal turtle
oh
gentle fulcrum
And when this time period is over you will be forced to wait another 8 seconds before you can even deploy
This is getting me so mad
Like , Dice, let me fucking play and actually have fun
earnest hound
I love battlefield 5 ❤ Can someone kindly give me a Full key for it... Many many thanks 😄
vestal turtle
sure..
earnest hound
awesome !
gentle fulcrum
LMFAO
earnest hound
Dont Ask Dont Get :S
neat scaffold
Yup
gentle fulcrum
No one will give you a key just like that
neat scaffold
Yup
earnest hound
errrr i've ended up with 3 keys already by just asking, guess been lucky
rapid blade
where the fuck can i find my dog tags
neat scaffold
Plus when u say love BF5 and then ask for a key it means u havent really played it to say whether u really like it or not
earnest hound
Gears or War 4, Need for speed, and some Steam game i cant remember the name
rapid blade
how the fuck can i lie by asking where i can find my dog tags
rapid blade
he pinged me first
gentle fulcrum
I mean, I pinged him by mistake then edited
rapid blade
i still dont know where i can find my fuckin dog tags
earnest hound
DICE are cool ppl, I'm sure they can give away a few BFV keys 😄
neat scaffold
No
opal lodge
Why would you need a key 🤔 It's open beta
neat scaffold
Yeah
earnest hound
A Full key duh
vestal turtle
<@&174949751152836608> i have 10 FPS in the main menu, could you help me? I didnt find something in the internet
opal lodge
no key at all
rapid blade
where the fuck can i find my dog tags
neat scaffold
Idk
rapid blade
i have been asking this fucking question for 5 minutes
livid bane
how do u change the ''m'' sniper rifles?
opal lodge
press V
earnest hound
Turtle its beta u cant get to it yep
rapid blade
you cant
neat scaffold
There are none at this time calm the fuck down @rapid blade its the fuckin beta
livid bane
oh
opal lodge
if you have the skill for it
fathom pebble
Dogtag tab isnt available in the beta
rapid blade
@neat scaffold so i dont know if i have the beta dog tag until i buy the game to check
classic
vestal turtle
@fathom pebble i have 10FPS in the BFV menu. could you help me
opal lodge
I mean it's literally in tides of war
you can check yourself instead of bitching about it in here
neat scaffold
Is it?
fathom pebble
@vestal turtle We cannot asure any help about it. Best advice is to contact EA support https://help.ea.com
opal lodge
Yes, there's 4 or whatever missions you have to do to unlock it
earnest hound
I really Dislike the pistol action in BF1 & BFV .. i wish they went back to how pistol worked in BF3 .. Rex & .44 action was brilliant
rose pilot
Or the forums. Please do not tag moderators for in-game issues.
neat scaffold
Huh I thought that was just for bonus challenges not medals lel @opal lodge
opal lodge
its challenges and one special one that has a extra tab
one sec i'll log in and show u
neat scaffold
Ah gotcha
gentle fulcrum
Being forced to spawn as a medic when picking a plain is a bug?
neat scaffold
I would check but at work and during break which is bout to be over
Shit it is over gtg
Laters
opal lodge
gentle fulcrum
WOW
opal lodge
@neat scaffold @rapid blade
gentle fulcrum
The Ruby pistol is so goood
glad wasp
Fuck, look like they are caving to all the whining https://twitter.com/Khoplin/status/1038329800006483972
Twitter
solid hinge
Ammunition was not the problem
glad wasp
This could have been something special, but at this rate, we will be back to the peice of snooze fest bf1 is
If 3d spotting is back im done
south lynx
Have you used the flare gun yet?
glad wasp
The players ruined bf, not dice
south lynx
It's basically god's eye in the sky.
It's not just a minimap spot, but a 3D spot too.
glad wasp
I noticed
solid hinge
the flare is like in Battlefield 1 I guess
glad wasp
Not a fan
south lynx
Nah, the BF1 flare doesn't 3D spot.
glad wasp
At least it doesn't set you on fire all the time
south lynx
They managed to make flares even more disgusting, they're on par with Bad Company 1 motion mines.
solid hinge
well you could see everyone on the mini map in Battlefield 1
south lynx
What's dumb is that they already learned this lesson with Bad Company 1, which is why the motion mines in BC2 only did minimap spots.
Honestly, none of the issues in the beta need to be addressed by changing starting resource quantities. They just need to unfuck the UX for classes so they can do their job better. People that need to be topped up should show, and ammo/health/rez calls should play a locational cue.
solid hinge
For me the most annoying system is the health system to be honest and the low TTK.
south lynx
The fact that as a medic or support I have to resort to blindly mashing 3 on all my team mates is just piss-awful design.
I actually love the health and TTK, and wish they'd ditched regenerating health entirely.
Keep the bandage, ditch regenning health, make people either have to find a health station or a medic if they want to get back to 100 after they burn their bandage.
solid hinge
I think the system as it was in Battlefield 1 with full health regeneration was better. You just have to care more about your health than fighting others
south lynx
Health is a resource, you should have to manage it like any other.
Regenerating health is a crutch, it lets you just push from fight to fight with no cares.
solid hinge
Once you get hit you have to use the bamdage and once you get hit a second time you have to move back to the station
solid hinge
You have to at least with a random squad 😄
south lynx
Nah. Unless the whole squad is scouts or something, in which case jump squads.
solid hinge
Battlefield 5 has worse teamplay than Battlefield 1
south lynx
It's not even out yet, give people some time to adapt.
Also, I've been rezzed more in BF5 per hour of play than in BF1.
So I'm gonna disagree on worse teamplay.
My major gripe is supports who don't ammo up. Medics are pretty reasonable about tossing bandages.
solid hinge
Supports and medics only supply themselves mainly
south lynx
Support seems to be the least-favored class due to the relative weakness of LMGs on the move, which means not many of them are around and most don't chuck ammo.
I've had plenty of blueberries toss me health or rez me.
solid hinge
however ammunition is not a problem
south lynx
Depends on what you're doing.
vestal turtle
if i start tomorrow the "missions" for the dog tag could i get it? or is it too hrd
grand merlin
I cannot resupply myself as a supply
vestal turtle
hard
south lynx
The flare gun is always hungry for ammo.
opal lodge
I think the SGD needs a range nerf or something. Sometime i'm just getting "outsniped" by prefiring assaults on long range lol
south lynx
WSP, yes you can, hold 3.
grand merlin
Not on comp
south lynx
Hold whatever your ammo pack input is then.
solid hinge
I would have wished they would have taken basics from Battlefield 1 but with a setting in WW2 and fixing the stuff that was bad there (like gunplay, grenade spam, etc.)
they did not have to reinvent the wheel
south lynx
@vestal turtle Took me a day or two, it's not hard.
Fixing BF1 basically involves reinventing the wheel. TBH they should have gone with attrition-style design for BF1.
solid hinge
But they changed things like the ammunition and health-system although no one asked them for that.
No one complained about those things
south lynx
I've never liked regenerating health, only reason I don't complain about it is that it's become so ubiquitous post-Halo that it's just a constant low-level irritation.
merry ivy
south lynx
Support: Stick to a medic, get health, give them ammo. Perfection.
Medic: Do the same, but in reverse.
glad wasp
I think all players should spawn with an extra mag and Heath pack already equipped
That imo is fine and will make the system more comfortable
south lynx
Eh, if something's got to change that'd be tolerable I guess.
south lynx
I'd be okay with maybe adding a couple more unconstructed crates somewhere, as part of the fortification system.
Insanely good, yes.
glad wasp
Lol you know it's slower than bf4 right
solid hinge
In my opinion the low TTK has lowered the skill ceiling to be honest
glad wasp
Bf1 have ruined you all
south lynx
Nah, the skill focus has shifted is all. It's more on first round accuracy and particularly headshots.
glad wasp
All more hardcore shooters have lower ttk
solid hinge
the game has become static that's what it is
solid hinge
actually less static than this one
south lynx
BFV is way more fluid.
solid hinge
when I am respawning on mate guess where they are...
south lynx
Uh huh, sure. Remind me again which game has endless grenade spam on chokepoints making them impassable for minutes at a time?
south lynx
That's not been my experience.
Maybe you're just picking terrible squads?
I'd say about 75% of the squads I join into are moving onto points aggressively.
south lynx
And getting a 251 onto a point is hilarious, it's a clown car, suddenly the entire team is there.
solid hinge
It did not matter in which random squad I played
toxic axle
Every stranger's squad you find in battlefield game is a horrible squad.
Not all still but mostly
glad wasp
It's funny because people complaining about ammo also complain about no one playing the objective. If you are ptfo, you wouldn't have ammo problem
south lynx
I want to protect this game because people like you think BF1 was good, and BFV right now is something special and enjoyable focused on gameplay elements that usually get pooh-poohed by people like you. Elements I happen to enjoy a lot.
solid hinge
I don't want to play with them all the time @leaden zenith
glad wasp
Bf1 is shit
solid hinge
sometimes I want to play some rounds on my own
glad wasp
So glad it's almost over
solid hinge
on your own Battlefield 5 is so lame
solid hinge
I am playing well alone being on the top ranks of the scoreboards but it is not fun
glad wasp
Play cqb like you are playing seige
south lynx
Solo is fine if you're not entrenched in some fantasy of lone wolfing for half an hour without ever being within hailing distance of another team mate.
toxic axle
I don't have opinion about gameplay with BF5 you guys know better but pls DICE no BUGS bfv is broken right now. I just been kick for no reason and no notice tbh
solid hinge
and 90% of the Battlefield players nowadys are rather on their own
so this teamplay aspect will fail
south lynx
Nah, players will adapt.
south lynx
Bots you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZsSx6kAi6Y
solid hinge
I tell you what will happen - players will not adapt and leave the game quickly
solid hinge
I speak for the majority of Battlefield players
Most of them seem disappointed
And even those who pre-ordered like me think about cancelling their pre-orders
south lynx
[citation needed] I've seen just as much hype as I have bitching, and most of the bitching has been about cosmetics.
toxic axle
Everyone I've seen in beta included ^^^^^
south lynx
Nonsense, their aim is too good.
leaden zenith
0:52
south lynx
Yep, better than half the players I see.
They hit the ground with every shot.
Hitting anything is better than most players can do.
solid hinge
vehicle upgrades work now
snake launcher here I come
well I did get my stuka working
south lynx
Oh sweet. Now if only the Vb wasn't so awful so I could actually earn a freaking upgrade for it.
solid hinge
I hope tanks work now too
south lynx
It makes no sense that twin Hispanos are worse at every role than quad .303 Brownings.
solid hinge
vb is still awful. nothing can fix it
south lynx
I liked the alpha footage when Hispanos wrecked but only had 120 rounds.
solid hinge
In general if you watch the gameplay trailers and compare them to the actual game we are testing right now it is a totally different game
So they advertised something that does not exist
south lynx
You really haven't paid attention to game trailers over say the last three decades have you? That's par for the course, alpha footage for promos.
Hell, you want an extreme example, look what happened to Overstrike.
solid hinge
Well I have never seen people really pushing in the real game but in the trailers they do it all the time 😄
The impression they convey is so much different than the actual game
opal lodge
They do aswell. But it's a bit more of a clearing out corners approach rather thaan just run & gun like in bf1
You need a squad or competent randoms to do thaat
Unless your name is shroud then well.. you just frag anything in open field no matter lol
solid hinge
south lynx
I can't think of a single BF open beta that opened with the best map in that installation.
Oh granted, Narvik is pretty meh.
south lynx
Metro was a dumpster fire of a map.
leaden zenith
it turned terrible when people started to understand the map
opal lodge
People are so angry here compared to any other game series it's actually sucking me in i feel like lol
And i play Eve Online, ive seen some shit
south lynx
Meh, Eve players are chill unless you get stuck in some 0.0 powerbloc tryhard alliance.
And even then, some of the powerbloc guys are chill.
Nah, people are doom and glooming on no info, and have been from day zero.
Also, this guy sounds like he'd rather be playing Iron Front '44
opal lodge
I get that it's frustrating but it's not like the game is finished and free2play. A beta is there to give players a chance to provide direct feedback during development process. And 99% of people just bitch about XYZ without even going into detail or providing constructive feedback on the right channels
south lynx
Pretty much.
solid hinge
However in my opinion this beta is a little late
two months before the actual release
south lynx
They already did BF Heroes.
leaden zenith
so the proposition is not outlandish
south lynx
Well given it was rather P2W and tanked...
Sad, since it was a pretty fantastic concept.
I think it was like 2014 that it closed down.
It's been a few years.
Hmm, looks like I was off by a year. Wiki says July 2015 shutdown.
toxic axle
Just watched that "worth a buy" video. All I heard is pew pew and what the hell he should know that since bf2 past all BF is just pew pew sandbox tbh.
south lynx
I genuinely feel bad for giving him a view, and would like to take it back.
opal lodge
The only thing i agree with him on is that the game doesn't give WW2 vibes whatsoever
but thats about it
solid hinge
@toxic axle I had more fun watching the video and hearing him swearing than I had in Battlefield 5 😄
opal lodge
I don't like narvick either. I think it's a horrible map layout
south lynx
I like elements of Narvik, but it doesn't flow.
solid hinge
I also laughed hard about that video. For me this is the Battlefield 5 experience in a nutshell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgGMkUwbLmY
south lynx
The bridge is a cool centerpiece, but the map doesn't do what it should, and have natural flow through it.
toxic axle
Well I can't call Narvik balance since german side have more advantage in some way like hills and something, but I hope some fortification in furthur update would help someway.
south lynx
Rotterdam isn't exactly balanced either. E is way easier to infiltrate and hold with a single squad than A is.
ripe lion
I'm worried about Battle Royale, being developed by Criterion games. A quick look at their resume explains why the BFV Battle Royale will have vehicles.
glad wasp
yo worth a buy is like the shittiest demagoguery, fear mongering, view whoring youtuber their is @solid hinge
Hes complaints are hilariously inconsistent
All he does is yell at the mic and hating on whats popular to hate on
pulsar valve
It's not
solid hinge
That may be right however he also had some points I totally agreed with
solid hinge
Statistics are worthless if you ask me
south lynx
Yes but that's because you're disconnected from reality.
solid hinge
because it is so easy to get a headshot in this game
solid hinge
and then the ttk is much lower
glad wasp
The graph includes damage drops I was going to say
solid hinge
if you play automatic weapons you hit the head of the enemy so often
glad wasp
It feels faster because you all played too much BF1
TTK was always fast, even more so in BF2
in that game, you basically die to enemies in corners you dont know 90% of the time
So if anything, this is bf returning to form
solid hinge
in Battlefield 5, yes
glad wasp
and in BF2
solid hinge
there are campers all the way
solid hinge
It is too easy to get headshots in this game as sniper.
Only class i play and i got bored of it even.
there is not even bullet drop 😄
tall comet
solid hinge
Bullet drop on very long and anyhow hard to hit a headshot. But this game is not getting bought 😉
glad wasp
me?
glad wasp
cause i just woke up and saw this shit https://twitter.com/Khoplin/status/1038329800006483972
Twitter
all the whining are getting to DICE
....
glad wasp
its a beta, bugs and glitches as well as optimization one would expect to be ironed out on release
solid hinge
I think why games become worse and worse is that games nowadys have to work on too many platforms
glad wasp
I know right ,if BF never came out on consoles, probably be glorious....
I understand why that makes no sense in the business prospective
solid hinge
I wish games would be developed for a particular platform
glad wasp
but going on consoles is when BF started appealing to the lowest denominator
south lynx
Nah, once console hardware shifted over to x86 and basically identical to PCs the dev pipelines became similar enough that there's not a major dev cost associated, unless you're either trying to remaster graphics for the PC version, or add features.
leaden zenith
well looking at BF1 it might need ironing out during its entire life span
glad wasp
a lot better than BF4 at launch
south lynx
Also, BC and BC2 are generally considered some of the greatest Battlefield games of all time, and they were console-focused. Heck, BC1 wasn't even given a PC release.
glad wasp
if you all have ever tried BF2 or 2142, you would understand how good it really was back in the day
I actually dont like BC
solid hinge
but you can't balance games well. Because you cannot increse the recoil too much otherwise console players would be furious, etc.
glad wasp
it was meant to realign with something more like cod
solid hinge
there is only one general balancing and that is bad
south lynx
Eh, BF2 was mostly amazing for the time, it certainly hasn't aged well.
glad wasp
modern BF is just zerg rushing from point to point for days
civic sonnet
Everything was better back in the day. But now we are old and everything is shit
What can you do?
glad wasp
Closet thing these days is probably Squad
south lynx
You can absolutely tweak values between console and PC, it's done all the time. The only time you generally wouldn't do that is if you have crossplay.
glad wasp
but squad have its own problems
solid hinge
For Battlefield 1 EA didn't
south lynx
Squad or Arma, if you're willing to put in the elbow grease to design missions and find a good group for A3.
glad wasp
Squad is not at all like arma
solid hinge
And I am sure for Battlefield 5 they will not do that as well
pliant geyser
yea squad is like a more hardcore battlefield
glad wasp
Squad is basically hardcore BF taken to the extreme
pliant geyser
Arma is its own thing
pliant geyser
Squad has some stupid ass design decisions though
south lynx
Arma is entirely mission-dependent. I'd consider it less of a game and more of a mission framework.
glad wasp
PR and squad play quite similarly (obviously)
pliant geyser
arma is only fun with ACE mod
glad wasp
barely anyone actually play arma as its suppose to, its too time consuming
pliant geyser
shhhhit,took me months to learn the mortar system in ace mod for arma 2.
glad wasp
I do think games like PR and squad strike a good balance between realism and gameplay
south lynx
Well Arma's got a pretty hideous codebase, and their scripting language needs to be taken out back and shot.
glad wasp
I view battlefield as a I can turn part of my brain off shooter
south lynx
If it had sane AI handling, and a modern scripting language mission creation would be fast enough that it'd actually be useable without spending a week debugging a single mission.
glad wasp
you guys think the 9s + 8s respawn is long, squad is like 50s
solid hinge
I like BF V
opal lodge
squads still bugged sometimes it seems. can't leave squad or join a different one 
glad wasp
beta is beta i guess
At least squad matchmaking is working great
that is the one thing that BF1 never addressed proper
pliant geyser
BF5 needs some cues from squad mainly in how to incorporate complexity with accessibility.
pliant geyser
BF5 needs to be easy to grasp but it needs mechanics in game that are hard to master and those mechanics are what will keep the hardcore playing.
anyone can just start squad and just play along following
its relatively easy to pick up however leading a squad or using mortars for example require effort.
strong sequoia
Squad is a good game
glad wasp
you mean you need a browser to use mortar?
pliant geyser
squad needs time to mature though
glad wasp
never liked that
pliant geyser
browser ?
strong sequoia
!rank
glad wasp
squadcalc
pliant geyser
ahhh yea that thing
glad wasp
so, not really skill...
pliant geyser
never used it myself
glad wasp
unless google maps is a skill
strong sequoia
Same I’ve never used it i don’t mortar anyway
pliant geyser
still better mechanic than point and click on map artillery crap as seen in bf1 and bf 4
glad wasp
Looks like servers are having problmes Artz
strong sequoia
Always run rifleman with a scope
glad wasp
severe server issue
point and clikc artillery, now thats something that existed since the first battlefield
gentle fulcrum
@glad wasp It's not server issue
lol
I'm alive, walking around but I'm in the deployment map at the same time
glad wasp
south lynx
Someone tried to rez you at the very last second?
That's usually what causes that state.
glad wasp
the desync probably caused the glitch
the spawn glitch is a missmatch between server state: you are alive and client state: you are dead
The icon indicates servers are having a lot of problem updating your client state behavior
south lynx
Well no, the spawn glitch is more complicated than that. It also means there's no provision for detecting when the client UI is in a state incompatible with the player state and swapping to the correct UI mode.
Because the client clearly updates with the correct state.
glad wasp
I know, definitely could be fixed
south lynx
It simply fails to update the UI appropriately.
glad wasp
I was telling him its desync related
anyways, I enjoy the fact that the opinion on the game is so split, hell just look at /bf vs /bfv
it means Dice really do have something special on their hand
I hope they fix the ui problem as well as server/physics issues in time
this stands to be one of the best bf ever made
gentle fulcrum
LOL?
So far I got such a shit experience
This BF won't even get close to 3 or 4 success
glad wasp
We will have to see
gentle fulcrum
The vehicle experience is so bad that's disgusting too
glad wasp
I think the fact that people are both praising the game and complaining about it tells me its balanced
i heard air handles poorly
I like the tanks though, whats wrong
gentle fulcrum
I'm buying a BF game mostly because the vehicles
I will go buy COD if BF won't have a great vehicle experience like in the good old days
glad wasp
ok i get it, but what do you think is wrong with tanks?
gentle fulcrum
Their mobility
glad wasp
too fast?
pliant geyser
funny thing about it all is this is the first time in years that a new COD game looks fun
and BF looks bad.
glad wasp
I dont think its bad, I havent looked this forward to BF since bf3
But if cod is more your style, i heard BO4 looks great so good for you
gentle fulcrum
I was playing BF titles since 9 Years old
glad wasp
whats wrong with tanks Artz
gentle fulcrum
I really like the experience, Hardline and the current one is just meh
I don't like their mobility, it feels like a trash can moving around
strong parrot
slow mobility?
glad wasp
but tanks are slow hulking beasts
pliant geyser
I wish Bf5 took cues from forgotten hope
strong parrot
lul...its ww2 tanks, thats how they moved
pliant geyser
FH = best battlefield game
glad wasp
I like how they take a while to climb hills
gentle fulcrum
Not to mention the spotting system is so bad
pliant geyser
spotting system is good now since its really kinda gone
glad wasp
Thats a point I am firm on, 3d spotting is cancer
strong parrot
you mean the lack of shooting at 3d spotting marks above an enemies head?
pliant geyser
Spotting was cancer
south lynx
Spotting was a crutch.
glad wasp
I want to shoot at enemies, not ui elements
strong parrot
Hm is that an enemy over there? Hits Q Oh it is ill shot and kill him
gentle fulcrum
BF 3, 4. 1 even hardline's spotting system is pure gold
gentle fulcrum
BF V is just trash, I can spot individual pixels on the map, I can look at a mountain and fucking spot him
1942
strong parrot
rocky falcon
im one of those idiots who dont let ppl have opinions so all i can say is fuck off if u dont like bfv
pliant geyser
yup
gentle fulcrum
What did I spot here? Nothing, so why is it a thing!?
pliant geyser
Removal of spotting is the single best thing
strong parrot
you can have an opinion just fine, but when its moronic as I want 3d spotting to come back so I can shoot a triangle ..
restive talon
U pinged a location
restive talon
Spotting is true cancer
rocky falcon
no spotting
restive talon
Smoke grenades do nothing basically with spotting
glad wasp
good, glad we are all on the same page
gentle fulcrum
BF 4 spotting is what I expect, like they've implemented the same logic in BF 1
strong parrot
You mark a static location on the map when looking at it for your squad mates to see
glad wasp
did you not enjoy BF1942 and BF2 Artz?
gentle fulcrum
Yes I did
glad wasp
cuase I found those games flowed better without spotting
problem with spotting is that you can no longer have a huge impact against larger numbers
because all one guy have to do is tap q and you are good as dead
rocky falcon
spotting shud be easier on planes
rocky falcon
really
glad wasp
so sky cancer will be back dont you worry
rocky falcon
yey
south lynx
Spotting in planes is easy, look for the moving dots.
south lynx
You know, I haven't had any issues with it so far, and I'm running 2% sensitivity for vehicles, but I also do most of my coarse maneuvering via keyboard and only line up the shots via mouse.
strong parrot
You are becoming the meme
glad wasp
no personal attacks, i think the discussion have been decent thus far
gentle fulcrum
I'm a main recon player and it's kind of disappointing that basic stuff like zeroing for example need to be purchased / unlock
glad wasp
hey, you can spot with recon
golden hatch
literally takes u an hour to unlock it tbh
glad wasp
might be much slower on release though
strong parrot
and since you can Q spot and get exact range....how is that not broken with zeroing?
gentle fulcrum
Right now I'm having such an hard time leveling the recon up
glad wasp
progression is sped up for beta
south lynx
Zeroing is pretty much pointless anyways. Apply a bit of hold over and shoot.
strong parrot
bf1 you had to guess how far they were using flag locations
gentle fulcrum
When do I unlock the next sniper?
glad wasp
I dont play recond, Im 15 hours in, Im rank 10 on the other 3 classes
I think rank 4 gets you the semi auto
south lynx
@strong parrot No you didn't, the trench periscope had a rangefinder.
glad wasp
yeah
glad wasp
good ol bf2
strong parrot
Oh, well if you took the periscope ye
gentle fulcrum
What level gets the ZH sniper?
glad wasp
4
gentle fulcrum
I'm 5 tho
glad wasp
thats your weapon rank
south lynx
ZH is more of a DMR
strong parrot
look in the company page
gentle fulcrum
OOF
I'm noscoping for days that's crazy
How accurate are the snipers when hip fire lmao
gentle fulcrum
I've done an insane play (IMO)
I am level 5
oh oof
Had to trim it that aggressively for Discord to accept
bold inlet
Am I the only one here who uses the pistols as snipers?
gentle fulcrum
Both pistols doing shit from medium to long distance
btw, guess what GPU I'm playing with
I'm pretty sure no one will guess
bold inlet
I mean if I ever run out of gewher ammo I can just snipe people with my p38 or ruby pistol
gentle fulcrum
Throw a guess dude
steel fjord
can you see the dog tag and beta reward that you have unlocked?
opal lodge
uhh that clip makes me think the lee is bugged no? Watch it again when he takes the second no scope.
He's able to shoot mid reload animation
and then again once the animation finished
🤔
gentle fulcrum
¯_(ツ)_/¯
@leaden zenith I don't know exactly
I can give you the album it's from
shell lava
9500gt
gentle fulcrum
Nuh @shell lava
shell lava
9800gtx then
gentle fulcrum
nuh
gentle fulcrum
@leaden zenith oof, it's not an album
leaden zenith
does it have RTX tho
gentle fulcrum
No
leaden zenith
ok its fine
gentle fulcrum
That GPU will surprise you that it runs so smooth
leaden zenith
what are your specs
gentle fulcrum
GTX 960 Over Clocked
16 GB RAM
i5 6600
I'm so surprised GTX 960 handles this beauty
shell lava
@opal lodge
opal lodge
Eris you need to calm your tits with that deleting your chatlog thing
idk what your issue is
shell lava
fight
leaden zenith
it was not me lol
opal lodge
you literally start conversations and delete your chatlogs midway
shell lava
yeah thats werid dude
gentle fulcrum
oof
leaden zenith
lol
inland valley
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gentle fulcrum
Nice
leaden zenith
in case you wanted to listen to it again idk
gentle fulcrum
I listened to the whole album today
It's a new album
And I like it
I like all of his songs tbh
leaden zenith
were you running this behind the game?
slow spindle
I cant find any south african servers. Can someone please help. I played on an sa server yesterday.
leaden zenith
go to full filter>region
slow spindle
@leaden zenith it says no servers. Is there a Problem or is ther no african servers anymore?
leaden zenith
sounds more like a problem
shell lava
having no african server is legit racist
lilac anchor
Why the fuck do LMGs have less ammo in the clips than SMGs
slow spindle
Danm dice servers are great
eternal blade
i play from North Africa, on Eu servers , 60 ms-70ms servers , it's hard to put servers around here , barely any gamers and no infrastructure
for that type of thing
lilac anchor
I want my fat clips back like in BF1 and BF4 so I can just spray & get some good feeds
Not run out of ammo after killing one, maybe two enemies
Wtf is the point of even using LMGs now
eternal blade
anyway , someone tell me how to call in the Airstrike as a scout ?
is it killstreak bound only ?
gray glade
im beginning to understand why everyone are complaining about lack of ammo, out of 32 players in my team, i see like 3-4 max every game that play support
if even that high
slow spindle
@eternal blade yae but sa has more infrastructure so why.
eternal blade
SA was colonized for a long time , also SA is far than most other AFrican countries , so putting servers just for one country is kinda meh and not practical for any company , they put servers for regions not countries
eternal blade
there are some games that have SA only servers , and are mostly low player count and shut down eventually
yes V1
or JB or whatever
lilac anchor
People play support because they usually have large magazine sizes on the weapons, so you can spray & get good feeds with them, but thats totally non existing now witht he fact that some LMGs have smaller clips.. Than fucking SMGs?..
lilac anchor
Not to mention the recoil etc. on the guns, its not that bad but compared to other classes.. Now why tf would you play support
eternal blade
so u r telling me i have been playing for 10 hours and didn't know about that ? 🤦🏿
eternal blade
yeah haven't seen any supports today , there's a lots of medics who never heal tho , mostly coz how OP the stern is
at all ranges
gray glade
i see so many snipers today
lilac anchor
Yeah, basically its all medics who don't revive and snipers now
eternal blade
im almost lvl 10 sniper, Kar98 hype
lilac anchor
Sometimes assault players
I'm going for support rank 10 for that shotty
The guns suck total ass on support, but I love shotguns so
eternal blade
i did 10 for assault already , i will do 10 for that shotty as well
although i heard it's poop
gray glade
yeah i dont see anyone running around with that level 10 support gun
the shotty/rifle thingy
lilac anchor
Sniper is actually pretty decent now due to the health system making for easier kills
cedar bronze
Are you able to download enlister offer if you bought the hard copy?
desert dune
Yes. Which is what I did.
desert dune
You put in the code you got from your receipt and it automatically combines the Enlister Offer when you download the regular Beta.
lilac anchor
No one revives as medic now 
cedar bronze
So basically if I entered the code already I'll be fine?
desert dune
Yep
cedar bronze
Alrighty, danke!
mossy onyx
I haven't unlocked anything other than 'Sprayed Green'
gray glade
you get a bunch of them for free tho
magic pebble
How to use v1
icy sluice
Here's how to get the V-1 Rocket every game guaranteed, git gud, have everyone in your squad together reviving each other, resupplying each other and healing each other, and the squad leader should set the objective order to either attack or defend whatever the objective they're going for.
The squad score that appears next to the squad leader's name is everyone's score combined while they are in the squad.
Don't squad hop if you're playing solo.
hollow canyon
So what's the deal with the BFV premium thing?
I remember hearing if you buy BFV before the 11th or something then you get the season pass, is that correct?
solid hinge
@everyone any bfv pc looking for squad?
icy sluice
There is no season pass @hollow canyon
@solid hinge Try asking in #lfg-pc, also you cannot ping everyone in this chat, that feature is turned off
solid hinge
Dice pls, can we have this thing? 