SMG08 already has the best dmg/bullet along with MP18
#battlefield-legacy-titles
iron flint
@hoary plover If you have played with SMG08/18 you would know that it is quite unusable over distance, the recoil is the worst among all guns ingame
hoary plover
I do use the SMG 08/18.
And it's good.
And recoil is easy to control if you know the weapon.
iron flint
The new smg08, I was talking about that
lofty valley
why doesnt anybody use heavy bombers and only use attack planes
iron flint
It's pretty damn good now, yo can easily hipfire and kill 5 people close to eachother in no time
hoary plover
I don't play CTE version.
copper patrol
viscid perch
2 ?
iron flint
The amount of people complaining about hellriegel and shotguns is just ridiculous
Guess they're those salty 10 year-olds
hoary plover
Hey, my only thing is that shotguns are finally fucking consistent now.
iron flint
How, slugs are awesome
1hk headshots up to 40m
countersniper tools for the assault class
solid hinge
How's the Hellriegel defensive now?
jolly quartz
I think it's 43m or 48m
Hel defensive is still broken op made even more broken op with 4 btk
iron flint
I don't think that Hellriegel is op, MP18 and Ribeyrolles are far superior imo
SMG08/18 will also be getting some good love next patch
proper raven
I believe it did already received some love 
Its an actual decent weapon to use right now 
iron flint
Decent, but not good enough to compete
jolly quartz
@novel light so slink plus inconspicuous and quick unspot op ninja spec Loadout?
novel light
Yeah, although tbh I would still rather use Flak over Quick Unspot
Slink worked well enough for sneaking up on people with a wine bottle, so there is that
upper sigil
And I'm just here against that stupid slide nerf
novel light
I still saw some effective sliding in CTE, although it requires being way more accurate with input than before
upper sigil
What do you consider as "effective sliding"?
novel light
In that particular case it mostly included side slides and some dodging
Although on new maps in many areas slides have to be bloody precise to avoid ending up faceplanting into the wall
upper sigil
You cant even slide on the side now
novel light
You actually kinda can
upper sigil
It may work on pc but on consoles...
novel light
Although it requires way heavier input than before
novel light
My personal approach to situation is heavily entrenched in the meh zone, as my playstyle generally includes playing a lot in areas where sliding loses a decent chunk of effectiveness
novel light
So in terms of people I fight and what I do the difference is close to zero
Well, minus one niche that is an obvious non-factor for balancing, and that is killing people with a wine bottle
upper sigil
You can still 360 slide if I'm not mistaken
novel light
The straightforward front slide + wine bottle = awesomeness and unicorns
novel light
I actually put effort into mapping wine bottle locations on those new maps
There are 3 spots on Passchendaele (7 bottles), 3 on Somme and 4 on Caporetto
You kinda need to know them if you want to unlock broken bottle, as you get it for 5 wine bottle kills
novel light
I'm glad it's knife-class, because I prefer knife over club damage and speed-wise
Well, that's what wine bottle does
It's basically a single use trench club
upper sigil
@novel light Well the thing is that there are areas where it's just necessary like C on Ballroom, it allows you to win 1v2s in comp which can make the difference, but you still have to be good so it's not a free kill or anything
novel light
C on Ballroom is one of areas I avoid like fire, I have such on every map in this game
iron flint
It's fun though, just peeking through every door, killing someone every time
novel light
Although I dislike Ballroom C flag in particular as it's a mix of clusterfudge and meh lighting
lofty valley
what lmg has the highest muzzle veloicity
lofty valley
parrableum has 870 ms too
novel light
Parabellum = MG 14
lofty valley
and bad sound design
iron flint
sound design is great imo
lofty valley
who has trench fleur
mystic heath
shut walrus
The fast muzzle velocity makes it really good
Other than that it's pretty average imo
sinful rover
Why do operations take so long to load up
iron flint
They don't
it drops you a cutscene, then it takes a couple of secs to load and you are able to skip
winged oracle
it takes more than a few seconds on console, lol
iron flint
SSD 
lofty valley
apparently why is the loading time on console so slow
iron flint
because consoles run on hard drives
pretty cheap and slow ones too I think
to keep the cost down
jolly quartz
My op's loads in quick as and I'm on console
Run BF off an external hard drive
@novel light how's the slide in CTE regarding medic's reviving? Please tell me it's still okay
novel light
Requires a bit of an adjustment period, but after that you can still slide-revive just fine
You basically gotta retrain your muscle memory a bit
You will probably initially miss/slide past people, but the improvement comes pretty fast
jolly quartz
That's alright though
I'd test this myself but dice in their genius decides to launch the CTE at the same time as TT North Sea
And my internet provider is being a cunt
novel light
I tend to prioritize CTE if I can
My North Sea experience basically was early January when v2's rolled out in CTE
jolly quartz
I try avoiding playing the CTE to much
I don't want to burn out on the maps before launch
And I want some enjoyment when they drop for retail
novel light
I don't really burn myself out, because CTE people and retail players tend to play maps very differently
For whatever reason
jolly quartz
Oh test these new weapons and balancing? nope
I can test how awful of an experiance oor players will get; does that count?
novel light
"Confused" is a word that sums up people's reaction to remade SMG 08 so far
jolly quartz
I can imagine
novel light
Combined with rage of a bunch of Hellriegel mains
jolly quartz
I'm really not happy with the way dice la is drowning this game
Dice LA; hmm we have a problem; lets make another
They should cancel each other out right?
right?
novel light
SMG 08 plays a bit like a trench broom
jolly quartz
That 770rpm is scary
novel light
If you know where people will come from and they're close, you're golden for quick, successive gunfights
jolly quartz
May as well give it to the support class as a CQC weapon
novel light
Add a bit of range though, and problems start fast
jolly quartz
Range should be a problem for all smgs
novel light
Well, it is a particular problem for 08, as it kicks like a mule
novel light
Yup
jolly quartz
How much?
novel light
I don't have the numbers, but defo quite a bit more than Hellriegel
novel light
Nvm, found it
jolly quartz
Rip CQC for any class other then an adept assault
novel light
0.47 vertical, 0.6 left and right
novel light
More than new Automatico
jolly quartz
It's spread is more off putting then recoil
jolly quartz
Depends on map and how you play it
novel light
Well, Automatico mostly got a buff because in new TTK there barely was a reason to use it
jolly quartz
If you find yourself needing cover as you move through a map run smoke
If you face multiple enemies at a time run gas
frail zealot
blocking a door or narrow path seems best with fire
jolly quartz
If you face multiple enemies and/or want to deny area run fire
frail zealot
how muchd amage does thre fire pit do if you go through it?
novel light
Depends on stance and speed
jolly quartz
dice la: balance
frail zealot
best way to get through it?
jolly quartz
Can kill you if you don't stop drop and roll
novel light
The taller your stance and the faster you move, the more damage you take
frail zealot
fire pit in a door in fornt of me and i need to get thrugh
novel light
Best way to go through it is to wait until it stops burning
frail zealot
eh
novel light
Basically, don't
novel light
You will have so little HP on the other side that a single bullet will most likely kill you
frail zealot
ok
gas blocks ads but sadly proned supports dont care heh
I have a question
sometimes my land ship is burning
doe sit damage the crew?
im msotly the driver and never seemed to be a problem
novel light
It doesn't
There was a niche bug where it would, but it was fixed a while ago
Basically, AoE damage things like fire or gas could damage crewmen who would switch seats while inside the AoE
It's not a thing anymore though
river hemlock
anyone wanna play bf 1?
novel light
Busy
violet locust
Is there going to be an update for the menu lag? 
novel light
No news on my end, but then, it's not exactly something very directly tied to tracker
violet locust
Just curious, wasn't sure if something was planned or not
novel light
I imagine that something is in plans
It's just that I have no faintest clue what and when
violet locust
Good to know
It's not terrible, but good to know it'll be getting fixed soon
Out of curiosity, have you guys been getting any stuttering during matches as well or no?
So you don't see anything where your character pauses for like, 2-3 seconds? Maybe it's just me π€
iron flint
violet locust
Like, I'll be shooting someone, and it'll freeze up for 2-3 seconds π€ It's probably something on my end if no one else is getting it
iron flint
I had Fortnite crash every 20 minutes, a lot of the times it'd happen right at the last 1v1 fight
violet locust
Didn't they say that they were having some performance issues with PUBG though? There's been a ton of tweets in the PUBG channel lately 
lol
violet locust
I actually haven't had any stuttering before in PUBG
Unless its something on their end
iron flint
violet locust
enough time to get killed π
violet locust
exactly, I'd be pissed too if I died to that lol
iron flint
violet locust
Hess PUBG Pro confirmed π
iron flint
π
shut walrus
iron flint
I only use the saber anyway, not much point in collecting puzzles
you're most likely going to use only 1 anyway
shut walrus
I only want them because they're weapons
I want all weapons unlocked
But getting the Russian axe is the one weapon I want the most atm
shut walrus
Used to use Hatchet before the saber, but it just looks so ugly. I want a proper hatchet i.e. the russian one
solid hinge
On all accords, Εupkow is the worst map on this entire game.
jolly quartz
Like?
opaque cipher
The billhook
My fav out of them all
Has everything you need to get around places, break some wood/wires and actually kill people
jolly quartz
Saber>every other Melee weapon
opaque cipher
I like my swords too
rugged sigil
Hatchet for me π Hey guys
opaque cipher
But that means Iβll be shooting out windows
jolly quartz
Actually the cutlass, ottoman sword and oriental sword are on the same par as the saber now
Billhooks is in the same special category as the swords
opaque cipher
Ye but it breaks wood on top of breaking wire
jolly quartz
You just have to hit the wooden panels on Windows to smash them open with saber/Billhook/etc
opaque cipher
Only glass
jolly quartz
Only knifes can't break shit
The Melee weapons that are marked with breaking wood can smash Windows easier and usually in one hit and can smash open doors etc
E.g. Pickax will smash a window open pretty much anywhere you it hit
Saber you have to hit the panels and usually twice to smash out both sides of the window
loud thorn
solid hinge
I wish someone would make a PDF of all the codexes in the game, I'd love to read them all but I dont wanna sit there with my ps4 on forever to read them all lol
jolly quartz
I mean I would if I could
I do love the codexes
Was reading them again last night
Yeah wire cutting is the best Melee weapon ability by far
hoary plover
The best melee weapon is obviously the grappling hook.
And if you ever play as the Royal Marines Assault class without having a grappling hook as your melee weapon, then shame on you and your family and your ancestry!
thorn condor
@hoary plover But grappling hook means puzzle pieces
jolly quartz
^
which have only shown up twice since Dec launch
So that 6+ revisions at least
Still no Russia ax either
Dice LA: "hey lets fuck with completists by adding in new content locked behind rng rng and giving it a codex to complete to up the antey
frail zealot
But ypu unlock weapons with the rank currency no?
you
Im new so the everything reply makes 0 sense
frail zealot
Hellgeirel or whatever is unlockable without rng
runic meteor
Only thing that's rng is weapon skins and melee weapons
hoary plover
I love shotguns now that the pellet spread isn't random.
versed notch
Apocalypse cant come any sooner 
ripe arch
What are the news on the games going on sale? I'm looking to buy BF4, even though I'm late to the party
frail zealot
Whats gonna be in Apocalypse? We just got the high tide or whatever.
Is it possible to pick up kits of dead enemies?
Or pickup eliteclass kits?
versed notch
Yes you can pickup kits from dead enemies
You cant pickup elite classes from dead people, have to be there to pick it up
jolly quartz
Beat me to it
versed notch
Apocalypse is dropping this month, maybe towards the end.
And 6 new guns, 5 maps, 2 of which are Aeroplane Only.
Honestly, I'm probably never going to play on those 2 maps, I am mostly infantry and tank
frail zealot
air only, woah
64 planes?
but when did high tide come, isnt that a realky fresh dlc?
novel light
It's 40p
frail zealot
so 40 interceptors then?
Also howdo the fire bullets work on default interceptor loadout?
what are they good for and whatarethe intended targets
frail zealot
@novel light thank you man, second time you help me.
novel light
Their damage is identical to normal bullets, but you get a free shot at damaging tail, wings or w/e every few seconds
As that's what those basically are for
novel light
You basically switch to Inc, get 15 bullets, fire them, wait about 5s for reload
And then you can use another 15
frail zealot
yeah i tried them
novel light
(and of course you can use your normal gun in the meantime)
And one bullet often is enough to damage the wing in CTE build. Sometimes two
frail zealot
Whats cte
shut walrus
You basically test out stuff that might be in the next patch
lethal sage
Airship buster is soo good on the new maps. So many more targets to take out with the blimps and boats.
2 passes with rockets and airship is dead. Easily destroy those things on spawn
frail zealot
but its onpy good agaibat blimps, no?
and thise have a long cd before spawned again
real siren
what
thorn condor
Damn, that ROF change to the SMG 08
the weapon is finally viable c':
From like 460 rpm to over 700, lol π
But tbh they may need to lower it to like 600 or it could become another hellriegel
It has tight hipfire so its time to spray and pray π
hearty skiff
more hellrieger/automatico type weps PogChamp
iron flint
it's not that viable
shut walrus
600 would make sense since it's based on the MG 08/18 which they're adding into Apocalypse with 600 RPM
iron flint
the recoil is very harsh
thorn condor
But that magazine size though :3
shut walrus
Watching a video in it now
HOLY CRAP
It's almost better than the Hellriegel in every way. It just have a bit more recoil
Dunno, didn't have space for the CTE so I had to remove it. Would love to test it
They really should lower its RoF to 600 rpm, and that's coming from someone with my name
iron flint
It's all over the place @wary mason
much harder to control over distance than the parabellum
But it feels awesome and is so effective
you can easily down 4 people coming across you
but it moved from an effective ranged smg to a close range meat grinder
thorn condor
@iron flint Westie read a suggestion from reddit where DICE should consider making the optical into experimental and making it 3 round burst
iron flint
yeah, optical doesn't make sense anymore
thorn condor
What about experimental 3 round burst, with bipod
shut walrus
An optical Automatico with 3-round burst though
@thorn condor Sounds like something they should do with the Ribeyrolles
thorn condor
That gun already good with its bipod m8
shut walrus
Yeah but burst would be cool on it
thorn condor
Though I cant quite understand why some guns only have 1 variant
shut walrus
Because assault usually get 2 guns instead of one gun with two variants
Started with the first two DLCs where Assault got an SMG and a shotgun
thorn condor
I hope DICE keeps the variant system with the next game
Would have solved balance issues in bf4
shut walrus
I dunno, would be nice to customize again
thorn condor
Variants doesnt mean you cant customize
Variants makes it quick and easy to get out there
BF4 customization was time consuming
shut walrus
BF4 was over bloated with stuff that did the same thing but in a different skin
BF3 had a nice balance imo
thorn condor
Optical versions in a modern setting could have all the different red dot sights and that one grip that had better aimed accuracy, and storm would have a foregrip
shut walrus
That's why I loved gungame, you never knew what you were gonna get after the kill
thorn condor
You can still customize with variants, but variants simplifies things so you dont spend time on symthic just to know how attachment combos effects the weapon
shut walrus
You have to adapt fast to the guns strengths or get killed, a lot of fun
BF4 needed Gungame and Scavenger, all those guns and attachments could've made for some interesting weapon variants
thorn condor
I just hope all future BF games will adopt the variant system and tweak it, I think it works well. All I got to do is pick the variant that works for the situation and Im good
And please DICE, no more showing on the radar when you shoot
That is ok in 6 v 6 but not BF with 32 v 32
Because the minimap was constantly lit up.
It ruins flanks
shut walrus
Would give suppressors a come back
thorn condor
I hate the suppressor system though
shut walrus
How so?
thorn condor
You destroy the weapon stats
Finding enemies is about paying attention and listening, not waiting for their triangle to show on your minimap
shut walrus
Well you gotta pay a price for the advantage of not showing up on the map
thorn condor
Just saying, the system works with 6 v 6, but it is really bad for 32 v 32
shut walrus
Plus, a lot of firearms uses sub-sonic ammunition in combination with suppressors
thorn condor
Mini-map spotting from shooting reduces skill, because you dont have to pay attention to make sure you arent being back raged, in BF1, if I want to know if I am getting flanked, I listen for footsteps, gunfire and the killfeed, players should have to be aware
shut walrus
sub-sonic = weaker
thorn condor
Spotting already blips people on the minimap, so keep gunfire out of the equation, let spotting be the way to put people on the radar
You should have to be actively seen to have your cover blown
The minimap shooting system rewards players who arent paying attention and are looking at the minimap 24/7
Suppressors should find a new purpose within the game, and Im sure they can think of a new way to give suppressors a use case
real siren
Let's not forget supressors in videogames working completely different or opposite of the real life counterparts.
"Increasing your barrel length makes the bullet not kill things as much" -FPS devs 19XX-2018
real siren
I think Support feels usable now.
solid hinge
i remember on ps3 when i could run m249 with bipod surpressor flir and unlimited smokes
jesus
real siren
@shut walrus Modern weapons mostly don't require special ammo for use with silencers, and subsonic ammo is very rare in application past recreation.
amber moat
ttk is faster now
real siren
It's great because people actually use cover now.
thorn condor
Suppressors should only make the weapon quiet and maybe increase deviation, and should be used for a Suppressed variant of a gun. Because even without guns blimping you on the minimap, suppressors still have the benefit of less noise, no muzzle flash, and I think they decrease recoil
shut walrus
In reality I think they increase recoil
solid hinge
Hm
thorn condor
But the minimap thing needs to stay out of BF, when you have such large player numbers, the blimping on the map with every shot just lights the minimap up
Players got to learn to pay attention and listen, not relying on their minimap
real siren
In reality they either do nothing to or very slightly increase muzzle velocity by such an infinitesimal amount.
Other than their primary purpose, I mean.
If DICE amps up the sound game and really balances the noise, suppressors would play a really good role.
The only issue being finding a way to make using them a tradeoff.
solid hinge
its funny how they buff assault out of all classes, the most overused OP class in the game
i just feel like DICE wants to cater more and more to the ADHD call of duty refugee crowd
shut walrus
A lot of assault's power is due to the map designs. It's got a lot of CQ combat which favors SMGs and shotguns.
real siren
Funny as COD WW2 doesn't seem to be taking in water
shut walrus
But remember, they also buffed support, and medic some what
real siren
I'd say everyone is feeling the buff minus Scout, who didn't need it.
shut walrus
Yup, agreed. There isn't that much to change besides minumum damage and sweetspot size. At least what I can think of
real siren
Fuck the sweet spot.
The amount of instakill weapons and explosives is already ridiculous.
vast thistle
just played my first round of operations since the ttk stuff, did not enjoy being a scout.
too much suppression, too much red screen.
solid hinge
Everybody is using the smg 08 now.
They really need to nerf the gun on cte
Faster and more powerfull then hellriegel
Bruh
amber moat
movement should be slower
lofty valley
support class is still not a viable competive class
solid hinge
past sentinel
solid hinge
even thoiugh i think the smg08 buff is unrealistic (in terms of what it was like in real life) anything that fucks the hellrigel over is good with me
i hope premium users start screwing base game hellrieglers with it
merry ivy
but its going to turn into the next hellriegel
instead of 100 service star hellriegels its going to be 100 service star SMG08
shut walrus
That's like stopping a leak in the roof by punching a hole through the floor
merry ivy
yep
solid hinge
Lol
Dont worry
All you need is you 1000000 star Artillery truck and you'll be fine
solid hinge
to the guy that said silencers increase recoil : wrong
tbh they only have benefits
apart from making your gun bigger which might suck in cqc
longer barrel = higher velocity
little zenith
what are the chaces of someone getting 78 damage with the mondragon sniper? even at close range
solid hinge
Um a headshot?
little zenith
bodyshot
little zenith
i recorded
hoary plover
@solid hinge THEY ARE NOT SILENCERS. THEY ARE CALLED SUPPRESSORS, FFS.
Also, a long barrel doesn't always mean higher velocity. Because a very long barrel can cause the bullet to have less velocity.
hoary plover
Silencers are an incorrect term that only a video game expert would use.
solid hinge
fine ill call them sound moderator then how bout that
hoary plover
You can ask anyone in the military (I have some friends in there), and they will say that only an idiot calls a suppressor a silencer.
Silencer was the original name, yes.
But it got changed to suppressor.
Because those didn't actually silence the gun shots.
solid hinge
still doesnt make the term non applicable just because it went out of usage for people that deal with it on a more professional level
hoary plover
@inner rune
@thorn condor
Dude made a post with the account of other people in instagram.
Probably with malicious intent.
faint joltBOT
:no_entry_sign: invalid user
:ok_hand: banned 405565161206972416 (Doxxing someone)
violet locust
π
little zenith
@wary mason Can I share a video clip that I captured while specating a hacker?
It's on youtube
'k
done
This time with video evidence.
Even If he doesn't get banned after that, I'm loosing all my hope for DICE.
And their anti-cheat system.
solid hinge
c00l story bruh
violet locust
lofty valley
the best way to balance smg 2018 2008 is to move it to support class
solid hinge
i have a razer naga 2012 that i never bothered to switch from
i'm amazed it still functions all things considered
little zenith
the random acceleration is driving me nuts
even tho at 600dpi with 10% in-game sensitivity
i miss the pinpoint sniper shots
what mouse is should I buy? Aside from Razer
little zenith
indeed
solid hinge
i somehow got lucky because both my keyboard and mouse are both razer products that have not broken to the point of unusability
violet locust
Logitech or Corsair
solid hinge
i've heard some good things about logitechs
but i have zero personal experience with them
little zenith
my mouse is doing surprisingly well considering how many times i've smashed it on the table while raging on BF1
solid hinge
same
except in my case its either tf2 rage or me slamming it against my deck to get it to start picking movement up again
little zenith
It's helding up cuz it's super glued
little zenith
@violet locust but which mouse. be specific ples
there's shit tonnes of mouses from logitech and corsair
violet locust
Logitech G502
violet locust
On sale for $50 right now on Amazon, but US
solid hinge
I use a logitech
little zenith
violet locust
See if you can find it somewhere cheaper
solid hinge
why is the model 97 such insufferable garbage compared to the other shotguns?
violet locust
I don't really use shotguns π€·
solid hinge
@solid hinge its funny how suppressors are portrayed in games but yeah generally speaking
in real life its better to have them on
thorn sparrow
Anyone wanna help each other unlock the low weight parabellum by shooting 2 planes with LMG?
solid hinge
Is anyone active right now?
merry ivy
All of the shotguns are pretty consistent after the rework
well more than before anyways
thorn condor
Gotta love the losers who use bayonet charges, and how their kill animation gets me from 10 feet away, even though I should have had plenty time to empty my 1911 in them
real siren
How dare someone use melee combat in a war game.
Welcome to server-based multiplayer.
ripe arch
How do the devs decide what weapon will be in the game and what won't be?
solid hinge
What do you mean
ripe arch
I meant exactly what I said
solid hinge
Do you mean like why they chose the guns they did?
ripe arch
Yes
solid hinge
Well im guessing here, but unless you make futuristic trash like COD did then you can just make whatever sounds cool up then debate which should be added. For something like BF1 they would first need to know all the common enough weapons, how they performed, and cause most guns and stuff have those little fun facts those aswell. Then after you have the guns that fit the time period im assuming its mostly debates on how each weapon should perform, how they go against eachother, until the hope is that there is a balanced game lol
There is probably a lot more steps but im tired, dumb, and not a game designer
real siren
A few of these weapons never saw mass usage, let alone full production.
fathom pebble
ww1 was mostly bolt action rifles
and mounted machine guns
but most portable smg's, semi auto and shotguns there was little use or none since they were only prototypes and were seen or tested at the end of the war and had mass production agendas too
thompson is a good exmaple. was an american made smg built for the us troops and allies adn was gonna have a mass production in 1918 and ready to see action end of 1918 starts of 1919 but the war ended
real siren
Thompsons were really expensive. Complex weapon.
shut walrus
The RSC 1918 an the 1907 SL were both used a fair amount in WW1, as well as the Fedorov Avtomat. The Selbstlader M1916 and MondragΓ³n were used in aerial use, and a little on the ground.
jolly quartz
Yeah the fedorov actually had was it 40 000 made?
RSC was issued
1907 was used a proto ar
hoary plover
RSC was issued at about 80,000 in number.
jolly quartz
Essentially it's the Cei, 1906, Liu, Farquad, Howell, Hel, maxim 08/18, Huot that never saw service/production
hoary plover
The troops did not like it.
jolly quartz
I've read they did like it
hoary plover
I read otherwise.
jolly quartz
Cei was a prototype before the war but no one took interest
1906 is a prototype that was too expensive to be mass produced
hoary plover
Also, if the Farquhar wasn't forgotten after WW1, it could have become the standard British rifle in WW2.
jolly quartz
Liu was doomed when Liu had a stroke
real siren
The Huot was a pretty big flop.
jolly quartz
Farquad was last war and issued in small numbers to Air Force
real siren
They lost a ton of money on it.
jolly quartz
Howell was semi auto conversion of SMLE that never really took off
Hel is known only because of the photographs
Maxim only known because of the one example in that university in Russia
War ended before Huot could be mass produced/issued
Though I think a far few thousand were made
real siren
I love when prototype things get added to videogames and severely outperform.
jolly quartz
Everything else in game did see service in one way or anything on the Frontlines
I mean the Ross rifle is the first weapon in bf1 that actually got pulled from service
1906
Would've loved for that to have seen more models made
real siren
Ross shot that silly .303 right?
jolly quartz
so realsticky the complaints about bf1 being prototypefield 1 are unfounded
They are just used in game (like any other weapon) out of proportion to RL (which bf1 never claims to be a 1:1 of)
Yeah
I believe it originally had its own caliber but Britain being Britain they wanted their colonies to have the same munitions to make logistics and such easier
Which isn't exactly a bad thing
real siren
Which isn't a new trend. It's not like every soldier in the US/RU/CN army gets a pick of about 20 different rifles from the AN-94 to the Bulldog lol
jolly quartz
But I believe rechambering the Ross for .303 was the start of its issues
Exactly
I mean the top used weapon in bf4 was the AEK
A prototype Russian police rifle
(Now actually being put into service with the RU forces)
real siren
Pretty goofy looking rifle.
foggy forge
SERVERS DOWN?
real siren
I can't pick a fave SLR
I use the Mondragon more than anything but idk about the 8 .35 being superior to all.
shut walrus
Up close the Auto 8 .35 has the fastest ttk. However it's not a very forgiving weapon and requires 4 shots to kill at a distance. I generally go for the Auto 8 .25 as it mixes good damage up close but still retains accuracy at a distance and due to its mag size is a very forgiving weapon if you miss
also fast reload time
hoary plover
^^^
runic meteor
1906 all day baby 3 shot kill at all ranges
And it's really kewl looking
Rsc is a beast too
solid hinge
Anyone bf4?
runic meteor
No
solid hinge
:OhGod:
frail zealot
@shut walrus are those medic weapons?
hoary plover
Yes.
jolly quartz
AL8.35 is good both factory and marksman
But it's damage drop off prevents me from using it more
1906 all the way
merry ivy
I think they buffed the dropoff
They sure did for the Farquhar
Would be surprised if 8.35 dropoff wasnβt buffed
iron flint
Selby 1906 isn't an amazing ranged option imo, but the recoil is basically 0 now aftet ttk 2.0
hoary plover
8 .35 Marksman = bae.
solid hinge
i like the selbstlader a lot
iron flint
I'd pick Selby M1916 over 1906
solid hinge
1916 is just so good
violet locust
violet locust
iron flint
I'm not getting the SMG 08/18 is the new Hellriegel bullshit, they're so different
and it's still unique
shut walrus
It's mostly due to the high firerate and big magazine
lofty valley
smg 2008/2018 will be like the rib eye low recoil high fire rate
sinful rover
this game put me in an operation that ends the moment I joined in
10/10 jape
not as fun as waiting thirty seconds just for the operation to start after the intro
light coral
solid hinge
anyone with some mercy here that can help me getting the boat kills done
solid hinge
after the ttk patch i have so much fun with the game again its glorious
solid hinge
i got finally done with it but it was far from easy
its hard to get it done when most boats are far away,insta killed by coast guns,ships or whatever
and when you finally get something low then theres a high chance that someone else is also shooting at it
maiden steppe
man, I'm really dissatisfied with the LMGs in BF4
touted to be mid-range suppression machines but they have crap for accuracy, even when standing, without the bipod
solid hinge
Have you used AWS
maiden steppe
better off using a DMR
Yeah ive used the AWS and it's the only satisfying one because it doesn't suffer the same problems as the other belt-feds
tolerable spread with heavy barrel, total mag dump potential with ergo grip and laser sight
solid hinge
Its best LMG thats why lol
maiden steppe
I'm glad BF1 made LMGs less dependent on stationary gameplay
ye lol, AWS top tier for its better spread stats.
solid hinge
But now they shoot halfway across the map
maiden steppe
yeah, that's what the mid-range suppression machine's gotta do man
at least on bipods
maiden steppe
but having tolerable accuracy without bipods did a ton of justice to LMGs in BF1
jolly quartz
The bipods in BF4 were so bad and unreliable
maiden steppe
I still see a lotta people use AWS. Likely because it has less terrible spread than the other LMGs and good ROF.
Yeah I don't know how they managed to screw up BF3's bipod workability when moving into BF4
But BF1 is like, they kept things simple. It auto-deploys and you can leave it easily. Doesn't lock you in once place like you've been glued as a stationary MG
Another major plus for the LMGs
iron flint
lmg's are not that great anymore
solid hinge
Tbh my biggest issue with bf1 is melee weapons dont just do the animation anymore like BF4 so I cant to around only doing melee it becomes near impossible cause at close range all the guns kill in like a second
iron flint
unless you're bipoded
solid hinge
But thats just my opinion lol and The new system is better but i like getting 12+ melee kills in TDM
jolly quartz
Hold Melee when behind/beside someone
If you just press it you'll do a Melee attack not a takedown
maiden steppe
IDK, I've used BF1's LMGs long enough to have great performance with them post patch, but I'm sure bipoding is still deadly as always
jolly quartz
It's works most of the time
violet locust
Crabman dropping that knowledge bomb
jolly quartz
Sometimes NetCode can dick you around
solid hinge
Its just hard to be sneaky in 32 v 32 games
jolly quartz
i have 1195 kills with French cab saber; don't ask why/how
solid hinge
There is always someone there
solid hinge
violet locust
Try doing a gas mask kill 
jolly quartz
If I get the Melee takedown it's totes WERF Te death in my eye
they can't get revived
jolly quartz
@violet locust you mean trench periscope kill?
solid hinge
Hellrigeil, mars automatic
maiden steppe
lol BF4 ARs: 0.2 ADS spread, 1 moving spread. DMRs: 0.1 ADS spread, 1 moving spread. LMGs: 0.3 ADS spread, 2 moving spread
jolly quartz
maiden steppe
The hells the logic behind this man
violet locust
Lol
jolly quartz
You could always do the pistol Melee combo
violet locust
Can that actually happen?
jolly quartz
E.g. Run Mars or a revolver and got one tap the Melee for instant takedown
solid hinge
These emotes lol
jolly quartz
Ask @novel light if he still has the screenshot
violet locust
Of trench periscope? 
jolly quartz
Yeah
He posted it here when the whole gas mask kills where a thing
Did it just to check if you could do it
Crazy flareman
violet locust
I wanna see it actually happen though, probably hilarious
solid hinge
Wanna know best kill
Your in the motorcycle with side car going full speed from F -> G on Sinai
Someone shoots you and kills you but the thing keeps going hits them
jolly quartz
Same as gas mask
solid hinge
They respawn at G and get hit again
jolly quartz
Had that happen on GS
Didn't get respawn killed though
My favourite/most hated kill/death
Is horse Vs any vehicle
Especially the side car
solid hinge
spawning into a stream of hellriegel bullets is just as fun
Lol how about mortar fire
jovial flax
anyone down for some bf1?
violet locust
solid hinge
thorn condor
The truth about BF4?
solid hinge
Nah i liked bf4 lmao
thorn condor
BF4 sucked
solid hinge
But it was still better than Ghosts, infinite, and advanced warfare
thorn condor
That isnt saying much, its COD π
solid hinge
arent there more people playing bf4 than bf1 tho?
south flicker
jolly quartz
Bf4 is a near 5 year old game on 5 different platforms 
versed notch
to each to his own 
nocturne olive
i honestly have to say that i rlly enjoy the simplicity in bf1. no missile locks, there isnt a million attachments for each gun etc....
violet locust
nocturne olive
i enjoyed every battlefield since 1942 on pc but i honestly have to say bf4 was probably the one i havent play a lot.
violet locust
That's awesome :)
frail zealot
Greetings comrades! I need advice and explanation, please kindly provide insight and assistance!
Yesterday I was trying to be this super cool interceptor dogfighting guy using the small interceptor loadout plane.
Byt it seemed like when i got on a tail of a n assault plane they just sloweddown and did a turnaround and I was not able to turn as sharp at that point.
Problem is i still shoot them as they turned a bit and cannot follow them after cause of it. Also seemed like assault planes had no problem staying on my tail, what gives?
Isnt the small interceptor supposed to be fastest and most agile? What the way toget the sharpest turn? I have pitch up bound to space for sharp turns so slow down and hold space, no?
versed notch
Slow down yes, but don't go too slow
frail zealot
Bur maybe I was actually chased by fighters after all.
solid hinge
Gg
frail zealot
But nvm yeah still what are the ideas for the interceptor loadout
or is that loadout crap?
Seemed like assault planes could take a lot of bullets before going down, some even went f2 and shot me down lmao. That was while I was hitting 85%+ of my nose gun on them.
I am reading that the dogfighter loadout is crap damage wise.
solid hinge
Rip
frail zealot
@solid hinge What do you mean?
fathom pebble
its rly good now
I used to find it amazing before teh ttk patch now its so good
its a better bar imo
versed notch
at least muh parabellum looks like it remained untouched
rugged marsh
I still like the BAR
versed notch
BAR Storm is every new support player's favourite gun tbqh
rugged marsh
I see more medics than supports since the patch
versed notch
RSC is way too powerful
wait I worded that wrongly
RSC is powerful af.
what's the max 2 shot range before it drifts off to 3 shots?
versed notch
it feels like a lot more than 30 tbqh
opaque cipher
Either mid 30s or 40s after the buff
versed notch
feels like 70 to me
rugged marsh
It's 70
opaque cipher
Canβt remember
rugged marsh
It will get nerfed soon
versed notch
Let's hope it won't become a potato
opaque cipher
Weβll probably get a team of 5 doing all the balancing and fixing after Apoco is out
While rest of DICE moves onto BF5
versed notch
I see
I can't wait to try out the new SMG 08/18
People hailing it as the new hellreigel
Looks like an smg version of the parabellum tbf
frail zealot
Do your kits disappear when you skip the respawn medic wait?
And what happens if you revive a friendly medic by switching to his kit?
versed notch
I'm not sure about the kits disappearing after skipping revive.
But the medic will have your kit if you do revive him with his kit
jolly quartz
RSC used to 2hk out to 48m
Now it's 70m
Along with less recoil, less spread, faster rpm and better accuracy
Because Dice LA logic
iron flint
Don't tell me it wasn't good before
hoary plover
RSC was shit for me.
I'm gonna try out the newer version.
And I really want that new SMG 08/18 now.
iron flint
I always loved rsc, super powerful weapon
frail zealot
I love flanking, yesterday I flanked like a god, heh. https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_one/comments/7vvo8u/tactical_cavalry_tank_flankrussian/
solid hinge
sure wish they'd bring back the incarcerator challenge
can i join a good platoom
platoon
amber moat
Consensus on new maps and dlc?
violet locust
No details yet on release
glossy locust
shut walrus
Pretty good
LMGs hit harder but takes longer to deploy. SMGs also hit harder in close range. Some SLRs have gotten a range increase to their damage. Bolt-actions are untouched
wet comet
Hi guys, I noticed thst BF1 Revolution is today disconted for 20β¬ on PSN
Is BF1 still worth it? Is the netcode alright?
I really loved BF4 and as of today it's still the most played game
rugged marsh
Is BF1 still worth it? Is the netcode alright?
Yes and yes
wet comet
Are there unbalanced weapons? I do not remember any OP weapon on BF4 (maybe the aek)
solid hinge
Hellrigel is good but i think they just nerfed it?
rugged marsh
It's getting another nerf in the Feb patch
wet comet
Thanks for the answers
violet locust
That's a good deal for the Revolution edition
halcyon wind
Hey guys, I'm not sure where to ask this (new to discord), but do you guys have any experience with EA support? I got a random email last week saying my account was permanently suspended for cheating/breaking terms of service. This is not the case, and I'm being given no information or help from EA's support so far. Not sure what to do
i've never even thought about using any kind of cheat, and am in fact, a contender for the world's most mediocre player
pastel mulch
Welp , Iβm terrible so no one would think I cheat ..... never had that problem
violet locust
Have you tried contacting them via Live Chat?
halcyon wind
i can't get to a live chat option on their site. its a total clusterfuck
no phone or live chat options, only email.
violet locust
Try clearing your history/cookies, etc on your Web browser
halcyon wind
thanks, i'll try that.
violet locust
I was just gonna post that
solid hinge
All i see when reading analogs name is "anal explosion"
halcyon wind
the email corresponance i've had so far has been an absolute joke. they won't give me any info on why i'm "permanently suspended". i get the feeling i was maliciously reported or something. or my account was compromised somehow. Zero information after almost two weeks of back and forth
violet locust
halcyon wind
Thanks, Mozzy, but that link is so far the only way i've been able to communicate with EA so far, and it has been the most infuriating customer service experience i've ever had!
The biggest problem is that is literally THE ONLY way you can contact them about this issue.
violet locust
pastel mulch
π
halcyon wind
has anyone else had an issue like this?
violet locust
Not that I've seen
halcyon wind
I mean, I'm kind of awful at the game, but i have a blast playing it. I'm so baffled by the whole situation. I'm worried that EA isn't going to fix this problem
so far, they are refusing to help me, and offering no evidence to support the suspension
violet locust
Try to contact them via live chat like I mentioned
solid hinge
What platform are you on? @halcyon wind
halcyon wind
It isn't giving me the option to live chat. The Help menu-tree thing gives me a message saying my account is suspended and to email.
PC/Origin
solid hinge
I see
violet locust
Unfortunately that's the only option then :/
halcyon wind
its infuriating.
solid hinge
Idk isn't bans handled automatically by fairfight on pc?
tough cape
add me on ps4
halcyon wind
honestly, i have no clue. I've seen Fairfight banning messages in the chat window before. This email informing me of the permanent suspention just came out of nowhere. I had been traveling for work the whole week prior
tough cape
TheVemonusCobra
violet locust
#lfg-playstation @tough cape
tough cape
i have bf1 and bf4
halcyon wind
I'm searching everywhere for another way to contact EA so I can get this whole thing resolved. Are DICE developers active here? I know they aren't EA, but I don't know what else to do.
tough cape
@halcyon wind what happened
violet locust
They are, but you cannot tag them. That link is the only way to try and get it resolved.
halcyon wind
I got a permanent suspention notice a few weeks ago out of nowhere, and I've been running around in circles with EA's email support trying to 1) figure out why I was suspened 2) make sure my account wasn't compromised 3) fix it.
thanks iluminate, that's what i was afraid of.
the email support is a feedback loop that gets less and less helpful every round of emails. I get absolutely no information from them, and they refuse to help
violet locust
Just email them the situation, and wait for a response. They will get to it.
halcyon wind
oh, its been two weeks of back and forth with them closing the case and me re-opening it.
the responses are a generic "you violated the terms of service" without pointing to which part of the TOS i violated.
The initial email said it was for hacking/cheating, which is hilarious. I've never even been accused of cheating. ever. I have a terrible K/D ratio, and am a terrible shot, but I had a blast playing the game
Now, it seems EA is totally okay with my $120 staying in their bank account and me not having access to what I paid for.
tough cape
ouch
tough cape
have u tried to call the company
halcyon wind
its impossible.
real siren
Happened to a friend of mine, he got it lifted eventually.
You can dig really really deep and get a number.
halcyon wind
I've been digging all day!
real siren
I had to as well when my account got stolen by a filthy ruski
halcyon wind
its been two weeks of back and forth with email support
real siren
What's your origin name?
halcyon wind
how do you tell if your account has been stolen? My computer was off for the past few weeks while i was away for work, and had 3 random friend requests on Origin when i got back. I never get friend requests.
analogexplosions
same as on here
tough cape
weird
halcyon wind
does that mean they have my password?
tough cape
did u add those 3 people
tough cape
did u add those 3 people
real siren
No I don't know who they are.
I was just looking up your stats to see if you had any random spike in skill.
real siren
Yeah there's nothing really crazy here. No offense but your K/D is depressingly low so I doubt it was just a bunch of reports.
tough cape
do u have an xbox analogexplosions
tough cape
k
real siren
Oh sorry I thought you were analog, I saw the same pfp
tough cape
what console do u hvae
halcyon wind
I'm on PC
tough cape
k
halcyon wind
So, obviously, I'm not using, and have never used "cheats". How can I somehow prove this to EA?
tough cape
have u tried calling the people who made the game
pulsar valve
you can't prove it
halcyon wind
that's what i'm afraid of.
real siren
That's why you should record yourself 24/7 playing.
And you can send the whole thing to EA.
pulsar valve
lul
halcyon wind
I do feel like it was probably malicious reporting though. I've pissed off many an edgelord tween in game-chat for being openly racist and saying ignorant offensive things. I've reported people in the past for this. Part of me thinks I reported the wrong tween.
tough cape
i had some of my online friends had their accounts hacked
they had to make a new account just for that
pulsar valve
should have contacted EA
halcyon wind
Thanks Hess, I've been going through that process for two weeks now. EA's support has given no help or more information and just closes the case every time.
I have literally no information on why my account was permanently suspended
i understand that angle, but in my case, it isn't helping at all. I don't know what to do to get this issue resolved. I'm a mediocre player and its PAINFULLY obvious I've never used any cheats.
EA Support just outright refuses to help me on this.
pulsar valve
Well, we can't do anything about it here'
halcyon wind
I know. I guess i'm just venting at this point
versed oar
π€·
iron flint
solid hinge
Lol
violet locust
Haha
shut walrus
yup
versed oar
Is that the one from the OPs stuff?
sinful rover
Yee
versed oar
Heard it looked cool
iron flint
I mean, it's just black
lofty valley
how do i get a super rare skin
open parrot
lofty valley
is the apocalypse dlc guns releasing this month?
pulsar valve
Yes
still thicket
Do you guys think in BF4 the M416 is worth grinding for?
violet locust
Yes, it's good
storm marlin
nn
onyx blade
jolly quartz
Don't you just love playing 2 hours of operations just to get a shitty white skin?
violet locust
RNG
jolly quartz
"every Battlepack in this operation campaign will reward a puzzle piece"
Flat fucking lie.
violet locust
They clarified that
The first one definitely will, and anything after that will have a significantly higher chance than they usually do.
jolly quartz
Besides loosing four Battlepacks to the shitty servers and dice la's ineptitude with anything; that's number four Battlepack without a puzzle piece
Really makes you want to go back and play another two hours of op's to get the same result aye
Can you provide proof of this underhand?
violet locust
Like I just said, the first one is 100% and anything after that has a significant chance but still isn't guaranteed
jolly quartz
They balantly said for this campaign you WILL get puzzle pieces in every pack
violet locust
And yes, I can if I can find where it was said
jolly quartz
I know the other operations had that same "scheme"
I don't even want these stupid knives
It's just they have a fucking codex for some asinine reason and slapping them in just after giving away Te barbed wire bat so your weapons and gadgets shit will never be complete
-.-
Grapple hook had only been seen twice since TT launched in Dec
But it doesn't have a codex so that's not as bad
But the Russian ax still hasn't been seen and has a fucking codex
Oh let's add yet another puzzle piece weapon the Araboo
blissful owl
Nerds
violet locust
Twitter
jolly quartz
I'm not taking that cunts words for anything
violet locust
Even one of the Devs said it as well