battlefield-6

[golden cedar]

so then they’re adding new things into the game?

[rapid urchin]

I wouldn't mind if they could offer more options for textures even if you had to download something before joining the server

[tall zinc]

in time, yes, but things that were said eons ago still aren't there which isn't well, great really

[rapid urchin]

Do you think a lot of the issues DICE has could be due to the frostbite engine? I saw Jackfrags bring it up, that the engine is really difficult to work with

[tall zinc]

it definitely is part of it, not the FR engine inherently but rather different versions of it, dice as they exist has never used an engine which isn't FR, so it isn't an issue of call it lack of expertise, just with different games using different versions, things that should be easy need to be built from scratch/reworked to work

[golden cedar]

Look man, Battlefield 6 is fun and all, and I play it often but it absolutely isn’t perfect. People literally eliminate me through walls and behind cover all of the time and I feel as if medics should have more of an advantage with SMGs than with LMGs, and an engineer would benefit more with an LMG. I think some things should be switched around a bit.

[rapid urchin]

They did bring in multiple teams in to work on BF6, so it could be some teams only having experience with certain versions of the engine

Or limited experience

[tall zinc]

there is a glimpse of this with 2042 when they couldn't add universal skins for portal weapons to the base game till long after the game was more or less ending, why? cause the textures on the older FR engine couldn't be imported to the new one

that is one example but you get the gist

[tall zinc]

eh I wouldn't say that, perhaps, but I think it's just a case of systems need to be refactored to work right, but that's just an opinion

could be a mixture etc who knows

[steep gull]

Be glad as that's probably the only time the campaign is good

[rapid urchin]

Idk I’m far from a dev so I’m really speaking from a place of inexperience on this stuff

[tall zinc]

the orientation of the studios was more that dice physically didn't have enough bandwidth to finish everything in a game, or rather when they tried they had to divert resources etc

this really goes back a long time, to battlefield 3 when trouble started brewing, and it's why there were xyz titles which were unplayable for xyz months

[velvet kayak]

Been enjoying BF6 more since I started playing Recon the other week (with Claymores and C4)

[sturdy spindle]

who else maxed out their db12 for season 2

[tall zinc]

if you split up allocations the liability factor, and more importantly, focus for everyone becomes 10x easier than rather to assemble some massive monolith

[velvet kayak]

I dint know what that is

[steep gull]

I feel BF6 is the first battlefield since BF 1 or 5 where it didn't have launch issues

[sturdy spindle]

the bad shotgun

its getting fire rate buff

[velvet kayak]

Not used any shotguns

[rapid urchin]

I feel like it could use a damage buff too tbh

[crimson garden]

Penguin trick will be to level up DB12 after buff 💪 😎

[steep gull]

Shotguns are already powerful though, not sure about that specific one but if you have good aim you just blast everything with 1 shot

[tall zinc]

tbh the fact they managed to orient everything for 6 at launch is a testament to it being a success, even if the campaign is lackluster

[sturdy spindle]

why its already as powerful as the saiga

it should kill faster than the saiga after the update

[tall zinc]

glacier was v obv the focus for most though

[steep gull]

Tbh I really wish it just didn't have a campaign so they had more budget into the actual game, I hated 2042 for not having a campaign but as the saying goes. It's better to have no campaign than a bad one

[rapid urchin]

Use the db12 lol I feel like it should of had m1014 damage profile

[sturdy spindle]

u want a semi auto shotgun to 1 shot?

[tall zinc]

if there was no campaign, it doesn't mean there would be more resources, there wouldn't, this is why it is separate studios since they build their own thing

[rapid urchin]

I know you’re new to the franchise from cod

But that’s super common here

[tall zinc]

and is why this doesn't work for battlefield 6

[steep gull]

I suppose

[sturdy spindle]

do u realize how fast u can tap the db12

[dusty lily]

Hey everyone! New to the discord long time BF player. Is there anyone in here part of DICE that I can ask a question about the Portal servers?

[steep gull]

There was other reasons why I hated 2042 and I never even bought the game

[rapid urchin]

Go play bf4 for a day

Use any shotgun it offers

[tall zinc]

the stories around ridge line however given how the campaign turned out clearly had a kernel of truth, I wouldn't be surprised if most of it was tbh

[sturdy spindle]

im immediately seeing how not op they are

[rapid urchin]

The amount of people I had to correct when they said the pump in this game was op

They have no idea

Granted, it was a combination of a good pump in bf4 and just how absolutely busted the movement was

[tall zinc]

actual dice engineers, extremely rare that they show up, so not really

[sturdy spindle]

the pump in this game can 1 tap u from 20 meters, and movement is just a big reposition in bf4

[tall zinc]

and tbh I would have questions why they'd be hovering around a discord server

[steep gull]

Isn't the movement slower than BF4 movement now?

[dusty lily]

True

[rapid urchin]

It did the same on bf4 including any of the shotguns

[sturdy spindle]

bf4 is pretty heavy

[rapid urchin]

Bf4 is the fastest bf

[elfin wraith]

You're telling me if they spent 0 dollars on the campaign they couldn't have spent that money elsewhere?

[rapid urchin]

If you know how to play it

[carmine oar]

the blackwell fields tdm map is HORRIBLE

[sturdy spindle]

if u need to throw a medkit for a small dash, that doesnt make the game fast

bf6 u can do actual movement and get kills while in the middle of the jumps and slides

[steep gull]

I mean running in a purely straight line

[rapid urchin]

No bhop penalty, you jump insanely far as it was, I haven’t even gotten to the teleport exploits

Air strafing was a thing

[sturdy spindle]

bhop is the weakest form of movement

[tall zinc]

the campaign for this game was never built by dice, it was built (originally) by ridgeline, that's who the staff behind the studio were recruited for, and that isn't people who designed a multiplayer game (glacier), these are 2 very different paradigms of making a game, so yes if no campaign existed, the vast majority of them couldn't be used for anything which glacier was built from

[sturdy spindle]

bhop was only good when it was the only movement in the game

[rapid urchin]

Until you combined it with crouch lol because then it broke the hitbox of your character

[steep gull]

I don't think I've ever "optimized" movement in any battlefield game except maybe jumping and then I get demolished because of unlucky timing

[tall zinc]

it isn't about money, it's about resources

[meager temple]

Are EA and DICE aware, that most of us begging for more maps? It's hard to not see it as a most given feedback by bigger chunk of the player base this game have, including big yt names like for example, JackFrags.

[rapid urchin]

Jumping around a corner and crouching on landing in bf4 was guaranteed one kill because of peekers advantage and because it broke your hitbox

[tall zinc]

I'm sure they're aware, whether they do anything, who knows

[rapid urchin]

Andddd if you use a shotgun the crouch removed the hip fire penalty

[steep gull]

I'm surprised they added a battlefield 1 map to 6, though maybe thinking about it I'm not that surprised considering 2042 got iwo jima

[rapid urchin]

So now you can 1 tap again

[sturdy spindle]

ah hell nawl i dont want world war 1 maps

[elfin wraith]

I see!

[rapid urchin]

Arent you early for the m433 movement demon name

[sturdy spindle]

no im still wiping every lobby with it

[rapid urchin]

I be treating lobbies like it’s fishing season fr

[sturdy spindle]

i have to get used to not running the sg553 anymore

[tall zinc]

you can see that lehto very obviously had intentions for the campaigns story, but seemed like it was so large itd basically be it's own title

[rapid urchin]

I miss my pw5 already

[tall zinc]

isn't a coincidence that the main theme is centred around a squad and it's emotional impacts

[rapid urchin]

But I need to max all guns

Besides pistols f that

[sturdy spindle]

i was gonna get p90 to level 40 for all black camo but this thing is ass to use

[meager temple]

@low harbor I know it’s quite pointless to tag someone from the EA Community Team, but I’ll give it a try.
Can you please confirm that you’re aware that we’ve been asking for more maps?
It’s hard to believe that you’re not aware of it, since most of us have been asking for it, including big YouTube creators like JackFrags.
So either you’re intentionally ignoring it, or you weren’t honest about “listening to our community.”

[rapid urchin]

P90 shreds what

[placid shard]

Oh really

[sturdy spindle]

wym its top 5 weakest guns

[placid shard]

Do you want to buy new one again

[rapid urchin]

It’s still good

I had a great time with it

[sturdy spindle]

my average opponent is running sg553 and scw though

[placid shard]

Oh cool

[tall zinc]

tagging staff isn't allowed btw, best to delete this

[rapid urchin]

So is mine lol

[sturdy spindle]

and m433

[elfin wraith]

My guy do you have any idea how long a map takes to make

[rapid urchin]

There isn’t SBMM so I mean, it’s not like we get wildly different lobbies

[meager temple]

I do

[sturdy spindle]

im playing the small modes so the sweats are here often and squadded up

[rapid urchin]

So am I lol

I solo queue it

That’s how I got my ak205 to level 50 was in the small modes

[elfin wraith]

So even if they were ignoring it, you wouldn't know yet because new maps wouldn't be done

[sturdy spindle]

i mean if that were true, u should not be able to outgun them

[rapid urchin]

Well I wasn’t running right at them with the bad guns lol

But I maintained my winrate

[meager temple]

I just want confirmation from them that they are aware of our feedback and that they actually make changes. Instead of releasing more time-limited modes, they can simply focus on providing more maps.

[sturdy spindle]

they listened to our feedback, theyre nerfing the 2 strongest guns in the game

[rapid urchin]

Yeah I’d rather have 3 or 4 maps with no new modes if they’re all gonna be limited anyway

[meager temple]

Limited time modes aren't content, whoever thought that it was a great idea its just not

[elfin wraith]

I don't think they can, they're not magically gonna get more money and artists by not making gamemodes

Which tbh just makes it even sadder that the game's got such shit maps

[rapid urchin]

To be fair. The limited modes besides the night vision one don’t even look like they’d be good permanent content but as you said, then it shouldn’t even be released even as LTM

[elfin wraith]

[zealous raven]

Simple truth is they had bigger plans but weren’t on schedule to drop as much content if they kept their pre-COD release date. Rushed the release when it should’ve been 2026. Paid off short term, killed COD, but now a lot of people are bored

[rapid urchin]

COD kinda hit back

Look how much content they gave them since release vs BF

[sturdy spindle]

cod is still getting deader everyday

the cod players dont even like their own content

[forest jewel]

what settings option changes the rotation speed of the third-person passenger cam?

[sturdy spindle]

its just bf ppl thinking that content is quality

[rapid urchin]

Weren’t you the same person that told me I’ll be back playing it when I said I’m not buying BO7 because of this game lol

[zealous raven]

Kinda not really, both games are getting their cheeks clapped by Arc Raiders

[sturdy spindle]

huh

[zealous raven]

Which was also not part of their business calculations I’m sure

[rapid urchin]

You told me in the cod discord I’ll be back on cod as I said I’m not buying it this year lol

Because of this game

[meager temple]

I agree, when it comes to a night vision mode, it should stay in the game. It would be awesome to add night versions of maps and fully utilize that feature so it remains available, giving us more ways to actually enjoy the game. I don’t understand why it’s a time-limited mode. It feels like they don’t believe it would be great long-term content

[steep gull]

Ngl I think CoD should just die already but it's like, that is their money maker

[sturdy spindle]

i dont even understand the sentence

[rapid urchin]

I go into cod discord bashing cod. saying cod is dead im not buying it and im just playing bf7

You told me ill buy it anyways 💀

[steep gull]

CoD is so far on the decline that they probably have ChatGPT hired as an executive over every CoD release

[vital roost]

why do patchnotes for season 2 SUCK

[steep gull]

It's cooked

[rapid urchin]

It was a while ago but I have a good memory

[sturdy spindle]

oh probably, at least 99% of other complainers bought it anyway

[zealous raven]

The non-mobile COD franchise was a victim of its own success: yearly releases burned out the series. They have COD mobile bringing in truckloads of cash still though

[sturdy spindle]

wym its saving the game

[vital roost]

true

[rapid urchin]

It’s not saving the game lol, they still got stuff to do

[quartz karma]

💀 💀

[vital roost]

let me play with nerfed movement and shit ass weapon changes that make the gunplay even easier

[rapid urchin]

Movement doesn’t even need nerfed

[sturdy spindle]

nerfing slide by 25% is okay that thing is way too fast and long distance, plus the slide is only used to connect the jumping

[vital roost]

no its not okay

[rapid urchin]

I don’t even agree with nerfing the slide tbh

[vital roost]

slide was perfectly fine, open beta is probably better

[rapid urchin]

It’s fine how it is

I thought beta movement was great too

Reducing movement more and more just makes the game easier and easier for a casual playerbase

[modest jackal]

The thing is...We don't know how much the Movement will be slowed down.

[zealous raven]

Shouldn’t have nerfed the slide, bad way to approach any balancing issues. They could’ve just made hip fire penalty a bit worse or ADS time a bit slower after sliding. Sliding is pretty necessary for juking snipes and rockets

[rapid urchin]

It shouldn’t be slowed down at all tho

That’s my point

We aren’t even close to cod movement so I don’t understand the issue with it right now

[sturdy spindle]

slide is reduced by 25%

[modest jackal]

Tell that to the Gagglefucks that still think BF6 is too fast.

[zealous raven]

Redditors whining

[sturdy spindle]

i very hard disagree with that, cod is not as fast as ppl think it is

[rapid urchin]

Oh great we’re taking advice from Reddit

[sturdy spindle]

bf6 has more movement abuse than almost every cod except like 3

[zealous raven]

Then they’re gonna complain about snipers even more. Then they’re gonna nerf snipers with crazy scope glint or something. Then they’re gonna complain that sniping isn’t good enough so they’ll buff bullet drag.

It just never ends

[rapid urchin]

It’s the vets that have revisionist history on what movement has been in battlefield since forever

They haven’t even discovered how strong spamming crouch is and has been since bf3

[meager temple]

The movement is fine. What should be changed is the player model and damage distribution it should be a bit more complex. For example, if you shoot someone in the hand and it’s positioned in front of their chest along the bullet’s path, the hand should absorb part of the damage and reduce the damage applied to the chest.

[modest jackal]

Yeah, we don't want MWII/22 Pacing.

[abstract relic]

Is there a server on Blackwell fields without snipers/recon?

[rapid urchin]

Now, where I can agree with movement changes?

Make LMG’s play like they always have

Go sit your ass by an objective and use your bipod

[sturdy spindle]

we are nowhere near that, those games are way slower than u remember

[rapid urchin]

Suppress the battlefield

[abstract relic]

Because yall absolutely suck the life and fun out of that map

[rapid urchin]

The map isn’t even good with or without recon

lol

I can’t stand Blackwell because of the visibility is kinda ass

(My eyes suck btw)

[meager temple]

And the sniper rifles the way they currently work in this game already require almost no skill. There’s basically zero bullet drop if you’re using the range finder, especially if its mapped to the same button as holding your breath. You can easily headshot players no matter where they are on the map

[rapid urchin]

Range finder should work how once again, how it always has before this game

[abstract relic]

Recon on that map makes it play like pure hell

[rapid urchin]

A visual box on the reticle somewhere that tells you the distance you’re aiming at, forcing you to still dial it in

[meager temple]

It’s the first Battlefield where you get punished more for trying to capture a point than for camping or at least that’s how it feels to me, especially with the way sniper rifles currently work

[rapid urchin]

sniping is still more skill than a lot of other playstyles you can have

[harsh jay]

You could still set range per 100m which was good enough and you barely had to care about bullet drop up to 1000m in BF4

[rapid urchin]

But this is by far the least skilled game to snipe in in the series

And it's been trending that way for a while

[abstract relic]

Yeah but the whole enemy team is recon? It’s trash

[rapid urchin]

Sounds like an easy win, you'd have a hard time capping points if you're all on a hill with a sniper

[meager temple]

sniper rifles should work the same as it was in B4/BF1 where you could feel the bullet drop

[abstract relic]

I’ll tell you what then bro, come play some of my lobbies

And you’ll change your mind

[rapid urchin]

BF1 was the game that really started the easier sniping

Since it introduced the sweet spot mechanic

[meager temple]

I agree, but you could still feel the bullet drop

Now its like a lazer gun

[rapid urchin]

if you want a game where you could feel the bullet drop?

Go snipe in bf3 lol

[meager temple]

I would love to, but its dead

[rapid urchin]

it was a little overtuned im not gonna lie, but it was def a skill

[harsh jay]

Gonna be honest. You gotta balance game on average player not top few %

[rapid urchin]

who says?

Casuals do not know what's good or bad for a game

[abstract relic]

Ahhh here we go

[meager temple]

I’ve still enjoyed the 150 hours I’ve spent in BF6. I see huge potential in it, and it hurts to see how little love it’s receiving. Most of the biggest concerns about this game haven’t even been publicly acknowledged by EA and DICE but without a doubt it was succesful and it sold well

[abstract relic]

Battlefield expert and game developer

[rapid urchin]

?

Why would you base your development on somebody who plays 1 hour a week

vs the guys who play daily

that wouldnt make sense

[abstract relic]

And now he’s a marketing consultant

[rapid urchin]

I am not speaking from marketing

I'm speaking about what's good or bad for the game

[abstract relic]

Yeah and recon Blackwell fields is not good for the game

On*

[rapid urchin]

I agree, but not for the same reasons

lol

[abstract relic]

When you have 35/50 players all running recon and camping each point, hard to do anything

[rapid urchin]

You're complaining about snipers about one of the three maps where sniping actually feels good

[candid edge]

Good evening men 🫡

[pure elk]

Because 90 percent of sales are going to be casuals.

[abstract relic]

I can see a few snipers, but bro it’s the whole lobby

[rapid urchin]

And they're still going to play that 1 hour a day every week while you base your updates more on the people who actually knows what the game needs to be better

Because you know, they experience significantly more of it.

[pure elk]

The only thing that matters is the bank account of the game company. Catering to largest sale base is always going to be priority over the diehards

[marble kite]

2 more days till i get my VHS2. 😋

[rapid urchin]

I'm speaking from game health, not business

idgaf about business

[abstract relic]

Yep, and right now some of the catering is towards COD players

[pure elk]

The game health doesn’t matter in business. Their bottom line does lol

[tired flower]

Well....

I hate to break it to ya

[rapid urchin]

Okay?

[marble kite]

Where SCAR Heavy

[rapid urchin]

Ya'll saying the obvious

idc

[crimson garden]

Penguin can't wait for nice Season 2 updates! ❤️ Big thanks to BF6 for nice matches today as well 😎

[rapid urchin]

I gave MY opinion on what I care about

[marble kite]

🤣

[rapid urchin]

And how I THINK it should go

[pure elk]

Your complaints are valid. Doesn’t mean they going to listen

[candid edge]

🫡

[rapid urchin]

Not a complaint tbh, just a critique

I don't think they've changed anything too much to cater to casuals right now

[marble kite]

Man gas masks skins gonna be dope

[candid edge]

Agree

[rapid urchin]

Now, this is still the most casual battlefield we've ever gotten

[meager temple]

That’s not true most of the player base has simply abandoned the game due to the lack of content and the studio’s slow response when it comes to fixing issues. People like us, who still argue about what’s good or bad for the game, probably make up 1% or even less of the community.
I think many of us can agree that the way the seasons are designed just doesn’t work well. Content should be released all at once on day one. Giving us two maps spaced a month apart feels frustrating

[rapid urchin]

But it still has more skill expression than other arcade shooters

[marble kite]

Is mp7 still good?

[rapid urchin]

Live service is fine if it works

The second season getting delayed already shows it's not working

[meager temple]

True, and for it to work it actaully need to have much more content in it

[rapid urchin]

They just need more things between new seasons to keep it fresh

Call of Duty does it, and it works

[meager temple]

yes

[rapid urchin]

Doesn't even need to be new maps between seasons

Just some kind of events, the events we've gotten season 1 have been meh

[marble kite]

Shoulda have us the little bird early

Gave us

[gleaming cape]

[rapid urchin]

Who tf wants to try and stay warm in their arcade FPS

[red tulip]

Hi everyone, can someone help me? I bought the 5X Tier skips pack from the in game store. How do i use them?

[pure elk]

You just proved my point that most of the players are casuals who don’t know or care how the game develops or progresses. And those players have mostly left and moved on and now the small amount of players left are the battlefield loyalists and diehards. Maybe misunderstood interpretation. They sold 20 million copies and launched with 800k daily users on steam alone. Looking at numbers now, you think majority of the people who left are loyalists or casuals who don’t care about the game

[crimson garden]

🫡 @candid edge

[pure elk]

This is honestly the first game I have seen completely fumble and do live service in a bad way. Mainly due to lack of content

[rapid urchin]

They were going to leave regardless of the updates catering to the fans or the casuals

That's my personal opinion and main point

COD players are attached to COD to the hip, so when BO7 came out, they went there. And then ARC Raiders made Redsec(that wasnt even polished yet and it showed) DOA

[pure elk]

Yes. And I think the developers still cater to them anyway because it makes them the most $$$ in terms of sales alone. Retention is irrelevant to a company that already got their money

[rapid urchin]

If retention is irrelevant then design the updates for the fans who know what the game needs

like

what are we talking about

[candid edge]

🫡 @crimson garden

[rapid urchin]

casuals dont stay around for any game and this tracks no matter what series you look at

[meager temple]

Its their 3th BF ruined by the life service model, at this point I would expect them to take some notes and actaully fix it

[rapid urchin]

BF6 isnt ruined, like I said the hype was gonna die down no matter what the live service model did

Based on numbers, it was dying before season 2 was originally set to launch

They just took an amazing release and decided to dig themselves into a hole

[pure elk]

Again. Keep your loyalists happy or make a game that will sell more copies. I agree with your opinion. I want games to be made for the hardcore base who comes back every year or every few years with each release. It’s sad that it doesn’t actually work that way

[meager temple]

Yes, sorry maybe saying it was "ruined" was a wrong word to use

[rapid urchin]

If the players aren't retained I don't see the problem with updates 2-3 months into the games cycle catering to the actual fans

that are actually playing the game

they already got the sales

[pure elk]

Not a bad idea.

[rapid urchin]

that's literally what im saying

the entire time lol

get ur sales then u need to prioritize players who play

[pure elk]

As seasons progress they need to adjust as needed for retention as well as balance pulling in new players. Dice is notoriously bad at this

[meager temple]

By the end of 2026, I bet this game will be packed with content or at least I really hope so. It’s like a good TV series that releases one episode every week: you can either complain while waiting for each episode, or come back after a year and enjoy it as a complete experience

[rapid urchin]

I think bringing in new players can just happen by bringing in updates that actually freshen up the game from its state

If all new players see is "game is dying, no new content" they dont even bother trying it

[pure elk]

I mean I think even 2042 was a 7/10 by the end of its life as bf6 launched. They know how to bring games back from the dead. They need to learn to not kill them in the first place

[rapid urchin]

Going 2 months for our first new map, and it only being one

Is not acceptable for the fans

[meager temple]

Thats what kills me the most, one map after 2 months is unacceptable

[rapid urchin]

The amount of content Battlefield is offering is just not enough for modern triple A live service games

[pure elk]

They really need to tuck tail and find a way to release a free map dlc of popular maps from previous games. Just drop like ten at once

[rapid urchin]

They need to figure out portal

None of these bot servers should be in the top page

And the search function doesnt even really work tbh

[meager temple]

there are only about three or four maps in the game that I can replay over and over without complaining. The rest, in my opinion, aren’t very good Sobek City being the worst. That just adds to frustration, especially knowing we only get one new map after waiting for two months

[rapid urchin]

I loved sobek city all until I figured out how easy it is for players to get on top of the buildings

I dont mind that in modes with the ziplines, cool. But in small modes where it's clearly designed NOT to let that happen, it ruins the experience

[meager temple]

Same, they should just make those buildings fully open with the stairs or zip lines

[rapid urchin]

Theoretically you can put your entire team on that building on A point start of breakthrough lmao

good luck making that happen but if you do

you can just sit up there and the game is impossible to lose at that point

[meager temple]

It needs a rework for sure

[rapid urchin]

A fix for all of the building camping is just to give sobek city heli's for like all the modes besides modes w/o vehicles at all

Including breakthrough

hoping the little bird actually makes heli's viable

[silver flint]

why cant i join any portal severs just kicks me back to menu

[meager temple]

my fav one is siege of cario, well desinged map I barely get matches where one team is dominating entire map it always a big fight for a middle point

[rapid urchin]

I like siege too and I like Iberian offensive

[tribal zodiac]

@sturdy spindle join up

[meager temple]

Iberian is also great

[rapid urchin]

I am not a vehicle player BTW so my opinion on maps comes from that

[meager temple]

I like helis, so I was happy to see that the slowed down RPG zoom animation and firing animation

cuz man, those rpgs where to accurate

[rapid urchin]

the beginning of BF6 the heli's were so useless lol

[meager temple]

Yes with that bug where you could instantly lock onto helicopters with a TOW rocket in a tank, and flares couldn’t even stop it, it was incredibly frustrating to play against

other thing that should be fixed is spawn blocking, when helis spawns it should kill everyone on the spot where it appears

They should also make the anti-air turret stronger. Right now it’s basically a joke enemies can camp in a helicopter and shoot it right at the spawn as a gunner

[rapid urchin]

Never been a fan of vehicles being able to operate in spawn idk if they fixed that

But IIRC you could anti-air and just sit in spawn

[meager temple]

its still in the game

[rapid urchin]

Never liked it when tanks sit in spawn and just shoot people from a mile away either but hey

[lapis vector]

Field Battle 6

[rapid urchin]

benefit is that they kinda hurt the team

[sturdy spindle]

i have to get off

[meager temple]

Yep those tanks would be much more useful for capturing points rather than camping at spawn and occasionally shooting down a helicopter

[rapid urchin]

but what about their kd!?

[meager temple]

But as I said, this is the first bf game where I can feel that camping is more rewarding that actaully capturing points

[rapid urchin]

if u dont have a 5+ kd sitting in a giant ass armored vehicle

u dont deserve it

[meager temple]

It was nice to chat with you, but its time for me to get some sleep

see you around!

have a nice rest of a day or night, depending where u live 😄

[rapid urchin]

its like 7:30 here so im chillin, have a good night

[woven frigate]

Not seen anything about golmud coming in season 2 have they scrapped it ?

[raven swan]

anyone familiar of steam wallet ? can i convert the currency into another currency ?

[hearty kelp]

people generally use real world trading

[rapid urchin]

was it even ever confirmed or just rumored

[graceful sun]

a level 457 i just encountered fuck people need to get a life

[rapid urchin]

but no, no golmud

[rapid urchin]

what was their name i want to do a science experiment

[crimson garden]

Penguin big question, items at the in game store, once timer has ran out: The sale items will never re-appear after it?

[rapid urchin]

most games, yes if its limited time with a timer, it wont be back

but you never know

FOMO is something this game loves to cash in on

[abstract nexus]

Nah they reappear its just random af

Every single item in the store rn is a rerun

The ice stuff is from the winter event, the engineer skin with the hood is also from like a month or more ago, etc

[worldly ridge]

I hate the two maps per season, literally 3 or 4 would be so much better, 2 is just not enough for a 3 month period

[crimson burrow]

I probably wouldn't mind the lack of content if I had a server browser/persistent servers, though I do agree it's pretty disappointing. Imagine having an archive of old maps the community LOVED and not really bringing them back while the community waits for NEW maps.....

[crimson garden]

It's nice to know for Penguin that store items might re-run or go in ''looped delivery'' sometimes, been wondering about this for a while, many thanks for reply to both @abstract nexus and @rapid urchin 😃

[placid wyvern]

Just have the trait left.

[abstract relic]

I seen a 2019 the other day

[velvet sable]

Golmud is coming 'in a later season' which is not 2. Probably 3. It's been in labs apparently.

[hollow totem]

Look who's no longer muted

[sturdy spindle]

ah hell nawl

[placid wyvern]

ah hell naw

[crude solstice]

is anyone else getting alot of packet loss today on bf6?

[twilit wadi]

Anyone else dealing with 1 frame deaths and having literally zero time to react

[humble trench]

just run it at 500fps so u have more than 1 frame deaths

[timid dust]

I love battlefield 4

Battlefield 5 was hard for me

[hollow totem]

How long will season2 last btw?

[timid dust]

I hear the campaign for two was off the chain

[placid wyvern]

3ish months

[abstract relic]

Dude I swear to god some of yall suck the fun and life out of this game to the max

[placid wyvern]

Ty

[hollow totem]

Imagine if they didnt waste dev time on redsec, the core game would be so much better

[placid wyvern]

Project management doesn't work like that

[hollow totem]

Idk, allocating people towards more maps seems linear to me

[placid wyvern]

It ain't linear

[hollow totem]

You sure? Ofc it wouldnt be completely linear, but?

[placid wyvern]

Yes. I'm halfway through a software engineering and business dual degree.

[hollow totem]

What would be the core obstacles?

[tropic garden]

PM is already a nightmare without trying to pivot right before a major update

people can't just shift projects

[abstract relic]

Yes, and like new accounts killing me through walls and stuff.

[tropic garden]

it takes weeks to maybe even months to switch someone between projects

[placid wyvern]

Brook's Law

[hollow totem]

I'm not saying that redsec should be abandoned right now, I'm saying that if it was planned from the start assuming the same amount of resources being allocated

[placid wyvern]

It’s not linear because dev teams aren’t interchangeable. You can’t just move redsec engineers onto map production and expect proportional output. Different pipelines, different tooling, different expertise. Plus coordination overhead scales faster than headcount.

[tropic garden]

hindsight is 20/20 i suppose

[placid wyvern]

Gamedev is especially pipeline-constrained.

[hollow totem]

But that's not really applicable, no? Because it's not like you need everyone working on the same map, it gets compartmentalized in different teams

[placid wyvern]

It applies to each department.

"Too many cooks in the kitchen" just as much as too many janitors in the washroom. It's diminishing returns.

[hollow totem]

I'm aware of the development and managerial process of things like this, but I also have no skin in the game therefor my opinions don't hold lots of weight, and like I've mentioned I'm not suggesting to pull people from redsec as that's already too late.

But I still fail to understand how does a game like bf6 fail to deliver more maps. Too much red tape?

[placid wyvern]

BF6 map release cadence is well-within the trend of other Battlefield games, barring 2042 which was anomalously higher.

Maps are arguably the most difficult task for developing content.

[hollow totem]

Ig the goal is to push the sales and put it in maintenance mode asap

[hollow totem]

I'd take it as an argument if the monetization would reflect it

[placid wyvern]

Monetization has nothing to do with how difficult maps are to create and ship.

[hollow totem]

It does reflect in confidence at delivering a product if one is hoping that the customer will buy their next product

I'm new to bf, atp it doesn't seem like I will be interested in buying bf7

[placid wyvern]

Customer confidence and production capacity are different variables. You can criticize monetization strategy all day, but that doesn’t change how long it takes to design, integrate, test, and ship a Battlefield map.

Monetization strategy is about revenue extraction. Map cadence is about production throughput. Conflating the two assumes they’re constrained by the same resources, which they aren’t.

[humble trench]

ye and if they paid an employee or 2 more we'd have more content, EA is minmaxing

this idea that 2 to 4 studios are working on bf6 is comical to me. so what, 1 person of each studio? sure feels like that lmao

[placid wyvern]

If scaling were that linear, you’d see studios doubling staff and doubling output. You don’t. Because production systems have saturation points.

[humble trench]

oh i thought we were talking about maps, u can speed that up, more maps worked on in paralel etc

[hollow totem]

It's two diffetent things, related but not caused by each other, sure.

The argument of how hard it is to do something is weak in my eyes as only the end result matters to the customer. Failing to deliver customer expectations just means a failure at management or greeding the profit margin, no?

[humble trench]

try and white knight ur way out of that one

[placid wyvern]

That's doubling the work of several departments.

[hollow totem]

But you have to admit - scaling maps is easier than scaling features, no?

[placid wyvern]

Definitely not. That's inversely true.

[humble trench]

theres a differenc between de-spaghetti'fying code and maps

[placid wyvern]

And mere memory leaks can add more spaghetti.

[sturdy spindle]

i want my buffed m433

[humble trench]

tell me about it, wish i kept a counter so i'd know how many times ive restarted the game due to technical issues

[hollow totem]

Ngl I have a hard time believing it, ig I'll ask for second opinions about that.

[sturdy spindle]

u should fix ur pc

[placid wyvern]

And maps can add memory leaks.

[placid wyvern]

You're oversimplifying the reality of running several thousand systems in harmony.

[hollow totem]

What's so special about maps that you can't have two teams working on two maps?

[placid wyvern]

Double the investment.

[hollow totem]

It's not like you have to adjust the engine to acompany each map

[placid wyvern]

And, they already are, for more than two maps.

[hollow totem]

Okay then what changes on a technical level with 4 teams, 8 teams, 16 teams etc.? Other than increased managing workload?

[placid wyvern]

Brook's law.

[humble trench]

fine lets go back a step, its mismanagement (from a consumer perspective) to throw the game on the market this early, now they have to play catch up. its an ideal scenario (from a business perspective) for EA

its not like EA woulda gone bankrupt if they let these teams work out the issues for another 6 months kekw

[hallow geode]

Theory 1 : Two maps a season is by design. Theory 2 : the frostbite engine is too difficult to work with and most of the OG devs went to arc raiders and the finals. Theory 3 : They hate us

[humble trench]

all of the above hue

[placid wyvern]

From a consumer perspective, sure, launching early and fixing later feels like mismanagement. But release timing is usually tied to fiscal cycles, marketing spend, and platform contracts. Delaying six months isn’t just “more polish,” it’s tens of millions in burn plus opportunity cost.

[humble trench]

doesnt 'feel'. it 'is'

[placid wyvern]

From the perspective of you, a consumer.

[hollow totem]

I know it's a lame way to argue, but even chatgpt agrees with me. The prompt was "Lets say youre making a map for a game. The game is already fully built. Would hiring new teams to work on a map per team get brooks law applied?"

[humble trench]

yeah and i wish more consumers saw that so it got a more negative review in general, maybe EA will learn that way

oh well :P

[placid wyvern]

Consumers at large lack internal perspective.

[humble trench]

on that we agree, most ppl are morons

[hollow totem]

Because what brooks law is throwing more people to solve X problem, not to solve each separate problems that dont relate to each other

[granite oyster]

Anybody screen went black on the game?

[placid wyvern]

Your prompt assumes maps are independent modules. In reality they integrate with shared systems and shared pipelines. Brooks’ Law isn’t just about one task, it’s about coordination overhead and integration complexity across a shared codebase. Plus, GPT answers based on how you frame the prompt, largely to give you the most acceptable response.

[lavish crag]

Finally got the grim reaper dog tag in Redsec 😎

[sturdy spindle]

who else leveled their m433 for season 2

[hollow totem]

But how does map A interact with map B? And for the latter, that's the reason why I told you what the prompt was and also prompted it without bias

[placid wyvern]

Mine's already 50.

Map A doesn’t need to interact with Map B directly. They both interact with shared systems.
Same engine branch. Same rendering pipeline. Same destruction systems. Same networking layer. Same build system. Same QA bandwidth. Same certification process.
That’s where the bottleneck is.

[humble trench]

i guess im too hard r word for your train of thought

so whats everyone playing that isnt bf6

[hallow geode]

Indiana jones

[hollow totem]

Like, surely they are not making new tooling for each new map?

[placid wyvern]

Not studying what I'm studying doesn't make you an "r-word".

[humble trench]

its DICE, its possible

[placid wyvern]

No, they’re not rebuilding tooling per map. That’s not the issue. The issue is shared capacity.
Every map still needs engine integration, lighting passes, destruction tuning, performance optimization across platforms, network stress testing, QA cycles, and certification. Those resources are finite.

Scaling that by an arbitrary number of maps is fiscally risky.

[humble trench]

so pay more employees, a team that works along side, bam done, solved

[hollow totem]

Why does every new map need to mess with the engine

[humble trench]

yeah im lost

[hollow totem]

Also networking?

[placid wyvern]

Think about how many "good maps" are in any Battlefield game, most players, I posit, would say fewer than 50% of maps.

[hallow geode]

New sobek City had the least amount of development time of any map in this game. A dev confirmed it was rushed out the door. It still took an entire 5 months even when rushing.

[humble trench]

i guess Rev thinks maps cannot be made paralel alongside eachother, and get the majority of the work done. yes the testing comes after, but everything can be sped up

[hallow geode]

If that doesn't scream frostbite is a nightmare to work with

[candid oxide]

I mean it shows

[sturdy spindle]

sobek is my top 3 favorite map

[hollow totem]

@placid wyvern pinging in case you only check after being pinged

[sturdy spindle]

but im good at the game

[placid wyvern]

My phone died, I had to boot my pc

[humble trench]

im not even gonna defend that map from dice's perspectifve. ppl asked to lock the rooftops from snipers in breakthrough/rush and they never gave a fck, such changes should be REALLY easy unless your map making process is fundamentally broken or u lack ppl to do the work

[long geyser]

Sobek is a fun map

[tropic garden]

what i have learned from my career in dev is that everything is more complicated than it looks

[humble trench]

it'd be fun if the rooftops were inaccessible, or at least the ones that give a full overview of the map

[hollow totem]

Tbh it does imply that their in house tools are ass

[hallow geode]

Can't take you seriously when you smiling like that

[long geyser]

Haha fair

[hollow totem]

They are using their own engine iirc?

[placid wyvern]

You can scale upstream production, studios already do this with multiple map teams, but the constraint shows up downstream. Engine integration, optimization, cross-platform testing, QA, and certification don't scale infinitely just be adding more designers.

[humble trench]

open map editor, add area on rooftops that are out of bound, done

i should work for dice

[tropic garden]

"just make more maps!"

[humble trench]

it already feels like were in a state of perpetual beta testing, might aswell make quick radical changes

[hollow totem]

You wouldnt change anything towards positive without a senior position tho, diablo4 development cycle has shown how cooked AAA can be

[abstract relic]

Bro chill out

It’s just discord

Not a company meeting

[humble trench]

dw im just entertaining myself :P

[rich torrent]

We know for a fact they can push out 4 every 3 months, there is no excuse.

[hollow totem]

D4 mismanagement was truly tragic

[placid wyvern]

By interacting with shared systems. Every map stresses memory differently, lighting differently, destruction differently, vehicle pathing differently, etc. That requires performance tuning, bug fixes, sometimes engine adjustments, and full regression testing.

[tropic garden]

why do we know that?

[humble trench]

i mean, blizzards a great example of a has been company lol

[rich torrent]

Previous titles?

[tropic garden]

not a fair comparison

teams, tools, engine all change

[rich torrent]

It's the same engine broski.

[tropic garden]

maybe the new lighting system requires a lot more attention

[tropic garden]

I would find it incredibly hard to believe if they didn't make at least a big overhaul to frostbite before bf6

[placid wyvern]

Yes, networking too. A new map changes sightlines, engagement density, vehicle usage, spawn clustering, server load behavior, etc. All of that affects replication stress and performance and must be testing under live-like conditions to avoid desync or performance spikes.

[rich torrent]

And you think they didn't do that in the past?

[placid wyvern]

They do with every title.

[humble trench]

i mean its guaranteed they change/update the frostbite engine over time, since with every battlefield game it seems like they start from scratch

[tropic garden]

yes! exactly! tools change, maybe bf2042 tools were better in some way

[placid wyvern]

Most games of any franchise at the very least optimize to upgrade their engines.

[humble trench]

thats a weird looking dog

[hallow geode]

Even 2042 made a point of saying "We know you want more maps so here's a 2nd map in season 7" and that game was dead from launch day. How did the most successful battlefield game of all time not even upgrade to 3 maps per season.....

[tropic garden]

because mapmaking is really hard

for all the reasons rev has said

[rich torrent]

Yet they always pushed out 4 every 3 months.

[placid wyvern]

With a highly operational pipeline.

[tropic garden]

tools change, maybe maps in new frostbite are much harder to make

[tropic garden]

this too

[placid wyvern]

Just because it happens relatively quickly from your perspective as a consumer does not make it an easy task.

[tropic garden]

not to defer too much to education but rev knows a lot more about PM than any of us do and it would be wise to listen to them

[placid wyvern]

They're just extremely dilligent, and very likely working under crunch.

[rich torrent]

Easy or not, it's your job and 4 maps was a standard for a very long time.

It's simply down to the fact that they know we'll buy it regardless so why put in more effort than they need to.

[humble trench]

right or wrong, modern games from big publishers are always somehow unfinished trash

[placid wyvern]

As is the case for many games, especially triple-A.

[placid wyvern]

I recall people saying BF6 had an excellent launch. What was unfinished?

[tropic garden]

this is also only s2

[humble trench]

if ur EA it was a fantastic launch

[tropic garden]

we have no idea whether or not they will ramp up maps for s3 or later seasons

[placid wyvern]

Fiscally, it was.

[rich torrent]

They won't.

[tropic garden]

how do you know?

[hallow geode]

Just remember guys. Everything you buy in the store even if you spend 10 billion of your own money on store items. It will never I repeat never contribute to content being made like it did in BF3, 4 hardline e.c.t

[hasty kraken]

Who’s paying for bs in the bf6 store

[hallow geode]

Too many people

[rich torrent]

Just look at 2042 broski.

Look at all the "LTM and extra BPs" content we're getting. The game is missing features that should've been in from the get go.

We aren't getting more and that's a fact.

[hasty kraken]

Bf2 had better maps than bf6

[hollow totem]

Only people who have played bf prior say that

[hallow geode]

People showered dice with their wallet on store items in 2042 and all they got in return was 8 maps lmao

[hasty kraken]

The game feels like a bad version of Hardline, like, Battlefield Hardline 2: Army edition

[tropic garden]

none of your reasons seem at all definitive proof

we shall see ig

broski

[rich torrent]

Just look at the past, it's not that hard.

[humble trench]

i was gonna say, are yall new players or what? ive never seen a more underwhelming patching tempo in the last 15 years when it comes to fps games

[rich torrent]

I love the game but I'm not going to sit here and defend people clearly just pushing out the bare minimum.

[tropic garden]

isn't there a saying about past performance not not indicating future results?

[humble trench]

every 'fix' has been superficial at best

[hallow geode]

There's a quote somewhere from one of the devs in a blog post saying that this game would have the most seasonal content of any battlefield game to date 😐

[rich torrent]

^

[placid wyvern]

Games have also not been developed to this scale in the last 15 years, not just BF6 specifically.

[stark anvil]

my first bf was actually hardline but i also loved bad company 2, 4 and 1

[rich torrent]

This is all the proof we need.

[hollow totem]

Older titles moved faster? The typical veteran players kept on telling me that it's way better than past titles

[humble trench]

maybe they shoulda managed the team better and not try to do too much heh

[placid wyvern]

That's nostalgia bias at the very least.

[humble trench]

oh no i ngenereal, im allowed to compare battlefield to other titles. complexities or not, its a clunky game at best and many technical issues have been there since day 1

[tropic garden]

what if we all accept that us arguing about the pace of updates isn't going to have the slightest effect on the actual pace of those updates

[humble trench]

the 'big' patches weve gotten were things to fix a misplaced pixel here n there

[placid wyvern]

Its launch greatly improved from the launches of the past five titles.

[humble trench]

have u ever played assault and tried to place a spawn beacon? the interaction with the world is about as broken as it gets, thats clunk

jesus christ u cant even put anything on carpets

[placid wyvern]

Name one game that launched bug-free.

[silver pelican]

Can't run thru bushes or shoot thru them lol

[hallow geode]

Never has (Insert astronaut gif meme)

[humble trench]

oh were doing the whataboutism thing Rev, cool P

[indigo mirage]

Hey everyone, I have a problem. I bought the Phantom Edition of Battlefield 6 at launch, which included a Battlefield Pro token that I already redeemed in Season 1. But my cousin accidentally bought the Battlefield Pro pack on my account that they sell on the PlayStation Store for €24.99, and now PlayStation support isn't refunding me for the DLC. Do you know if I'll be able to redeem the token in Season 2, or was the purchase simply duplicated and disappeared? It's a system similar to Blackcell, but I don't know how it works in Call of Duty. If anyone knows about this, please help me out. 🙏🏽

[abstract relic]

Last night teams was placing 5-8 beacons….they have no trouble I promise you

[hollow totem]

Nothing launches bug free, but the severity is certainly lower for most

[humble trench]

5 mins ago someone asked 'does anyone else have a black screen after the game ends?'

[rich torrent]

There are multiple problems but go off.

[humble trench]

yall got some selective as fck memory i swear :p

[hollow totem]

The most worrying part is that their shop isn't bug free. 99% of games have that dialed in for a reason

[humble trench]

another example yeah, the menu is very strange how it works

[hallow geode]

Battlefield pro and the battlepass will not carry over to season 2. You'll need to purchase those again

[abstract relic]

It was Cairo, couldn’t even leave spawn hardly without having to defend home flags due to like I said 5-8 beacons. We still won, but it sucked the fun out of the match. I like fighting C and the middle ground on that map

[placid wyvern]

Certainly won't work for video game development.

[rich torrent]

And that still doesn't change the fact that maps have a lot of things that block you placing it down that shouldn't.

[hollow totem]

Nobody goes in to game dev for money for obv reasons

[sturdy spindle]

who else excited to grind the new battle pass

[placid wyvern]

That I agree

[sturdy spindle]

[placid wyvern]

Been saving all my bp boosts

Assuming they carry over.

[devout sedge]

Double xp cant be working for career xp. Each match im getting regular 30k xp. I get that on the normal

[abstract relic]

I agree, I think it has to do with the space. Because the top of it spins?

[humble trench]

ive had entire rooms block the placement of anything for no reason

[abstract relic]

That might be lag? Idk

[placid wyvern]

Do you know that for certain equipment they must be placed a way's away?

[abstract relic]

I have hardly ever had any issues deploying one

[humble trench]

no cuz i have that meter set to show when the connection goes bad, funny enough i rarely have lag issues

[placid wyvern]

For example, decoys can't be placed near each other.

[humble trench]

ive had claymore move after placing them, like up to a meter forwards or backwards

[rich torrent]

Try placing anything on a carpet, goodluck.

Oh there's a tiny power cable on the floor? Yea no beacon for you.

[humble trench]

^ theres an enormous amount of inconsistancy issues to do with anything u can place/throw on teh floor

i also constantly have support bags blow up when theres nothing going on

[abstract relic]

Ehhh most of my lobbies I’m in, find the beacon within a few seconds anyways

[hallow geode]

Sounds like they tryna pull a fast one on us right before season 2 drops and everybody forgets so they get away with it

[humble trench]

srsly idk what some of u are smoking but this game is HELLA broken lmao

[placid wyvern]

Never claimed it was perfectly operational.

[humble trench]

kind of a shame im not in to the heavy teamplay aspect of the finals or i woulda been playing that, that game runs well works well and the pvp is pretty fun :P

[hallow geode]

Whenever this game seems too broken I must introduce you to my old friend BF4 year 1

[placid wyvern]

Also smaller scale than battlefield.

[humble trench]

the comedy is that its made by ex dice

yeah but at least it works

[placid wyvern]

Because it's smaller scale.

[humble trench]

then dice shoulda went with an even smaller scale with bf6, oh wait they did and its still problematic

got any other excuses?

[placid wyvern]

And it runs on Unreal, which is notorious for how well-tooled it is.

[hollow totem]

Things that bf6 is good at:
Performance (when it works as supposed to)
Visual appeal
Sounds (lets ignore directionality)

That's about it really

[humble trench]

ok this made me laugh. unreal is notorious for being shit to work with, most games dont run properly, it requires some serious expertise

[abstract relic]

BF1 was smooth….if they got this one like that, whewwww

[placid wyvern]

Are you a developer?

It's because Unreal is so well-tooled that many developers cut corners with it.

[humble trench]

or maybe i should word that better, unreal is known to be used by developers who love to cut corners, take borderlands 4 for example, thats what happens when u try to cut corners

[sturdy spindle]

who else leveled their b36 for season 2

[hollow totem]

Probs better tooled than frostbite

[humble trench]

that friggin engine ruined a lot of potentially good games

fck epic :>.

[placid wyvern]

Exactly. Frostbite is proprietary, and dated.

Not yet obsolete, however.

[humble trench]

such a shame idtech isnt really a thing anymore other than small scale games

[hollow totem]

Probs should cut their losses and drop it at some point

Unless they hire some wizard that somehow puts everything in place (that wont happen)

[humble trench]

idk theyre kinda stuck with frostbite now since theyve built on it for a while and even use it for non battlefield type games

[hollow totem]

Well tbf, what would they even pick from lol. Can unreal even support something like bf

[placid wyvern]

True, frostbite is almost a lynchpin in Battlefield's marketing.

[hollow totem]

If they built a new engine from ground up it would prob either suck asw or cost too much to make

[placid wyvern]

Both.

[hollow totem]

Both is prob the correct answer lol

[placid wyvern]

All to say that I agree I wish we had better maps and content, but I also want to have the perspective to temper my expectations.

[humble trench]

looking forward to endless iterations of unreal engine being abused and the videogame industry nosediving even further in to mediocrity

[zealous raven]

net profit estimation for BF6: $326,000,000

[hollow totem]

At this point I will take quantity over quality ngl

[humble trench]

the shitty part is simply that the multiplayer fps genre gets hit the hardest by corpo publishers

[placid wyvern]

Ehhhh...

[humble trench]

indie games are great, but u need a lot of players for an mp fps game to work

[abstract relic]

Idk man, there are some epic games coming out this year.

[humble trench]

yeah but see comments above :P

[hollow totem]

Launch Revenue: The game generated an estimated $350 million in global revenue within its first few days of release, according to Alinea Analytics.

Net profit and revenue is WAYY different

[placid wyvern]

I really enjoyed FF7 Rebirth, and Halo CampE looks good.

[humble trench]

there are loads of great indie games 100%, but some genres are almost stuck in limbo because the biggest publishers who cut the most corners get all the activity, if that makes sense

[zealous raven]

Right that’s why I’m saying net profit since launch

[placid wyvern]

It's a highly competitive industry. Just the way it is now.

[hollow totem]

There's like 0% chance they made anywhere close in profits to that

Platform cut alone is probably like 20% assuming they got a deal and didnt have to pay 30%

[humble trench]

surely they had a deal with steam yeah

im assuming every big player does

cant prove it, assuming :P

[abstract relic]

Hot take, do away with battle passes 🤷🏻‍♂️

[tall zinc]

well there is of some kind, since EA play is on steam, but the revenue model isn't 30% anyways, it decreases the more sales you get

[humble trench]

lets start over in 1995, pre internet :P

[placid wyvern]

Not to disagree, but battle passes are likely the biggest reason for free post-launch content.

[abstract relic]

Mine sweeper 🤣

[placid wyvern]

Would rather that than map pack DLCs again.

[humble trench]

duke nukem 3d multiplayer hype

[abstract relic]

We were definitely happier back then for sure

[tall zinc]

easy thing to say, but not really

[placid wyvern]

Yeah, nostalgia bias.

[abstract relic]

No bias to it?

[humble trench]

partly bias, but still true. games were delivered completed, before the internet ruined it and allowed post launch patches

[placid wyvern]

Nothing wrong with it.

Games were also 10 hours of content.

[humble trench]

says u, i played quake for 10k hours

:DDDDD

[hollow totem]

Games didnt have as much scope creep therefor felt more finished

[placid wyvern]

Discrete content != replayable content

[tall zinc]

games have never really been "delivered complete", just the broken games you had to physically ship back to be patched for fixes

game development as it exists is pretty much built on bugs

[placid wyvern]

And were extremely easy to break.

[humble trench]

u do bring a funny point up, quake's strafejumping was a bug i believe, a happy little accident (c) bob ross

[placid wyvern]

Funny how the context determines how we receive a bug.

And how their received determines whether they're fixed or not.

[zealous raven]

Well to avoid conjecture, it’s fair estimate that the gross revenue is around $730M

[hollow totem]

There was multiple incidents where a game dev fixes a bug on accident or not and community demands to bring it back so they hard code the bug back in lul

[placid wyvern]

Like monostable circuits in Java Minecraft.

Or the weapon pad glitch in Halo 5.

[sturdy spindle]

i cant wait for season 2

[abstract relic]

The chemical warfare looks pretty cool

[hollow totem]

You just want for the playerbase to get dilluted by more casuals smh

[placid wyvern]

I wonder how the gasmask feature will work.

[hollow totem]

So youd frag easier

[placid wyvern]

Would it be mapped to the commorose wheel?

[robust knoll]

why not just play breakthrough

[hollow totem]

Wait wtf just noticed theres no more 15s slowmode

[sturdy spindle]

yea i removed it

[humble trench]

to be honest id want the skill level raised, so supports will finally react to me shouting I NEED AMMO in their ear

[hollow totem]

Real

[abstract relic]

Or wasn’t it automatic in BF1

[placid wyvern]

I don't think it was.

IIRC you had to choose between the mask and the ability to ADS.

[hollow totem]

It's usually the casuals who revive you in the first place People out for blood will let you die

[abstract relic]

That’s right! I couldn’t remember

[humble trench]

lol those people exist too, no but actual new players really arent aware of anything lol

and yeah theyre gonna do the thing where some multipurpose bind will get used

likely something related to vision

[placid wyvern]

Maybe a very obvious UI element? "REV IS REQUESTING AMMO"

[hollow totem]

Idk it's just not easy to realize thay there's a dead guy right under you

[placid wyvern]

Especially behind you.

[hollow totem]

Yeah

[humble trench]

i agree, thats a major issue

[sturdy spindle]

only stat padders beg for revives

where razr at

[robust knoll]

[hollow totem]

And in general, you kinda tunnel in fps games mainly being aware of threats

[placid wyvern]

It was weirdly easier to notice downed teammates in prior games.

[humble trench]

several ui issues need to get fixed in that respect. also the one that shows the 6 names of supports near you, that seems to get updated at a low frequency and seems to be 1-2 seconds out of date

or at least the bit where someone enters your 30m vicinity, new players who enter that range seem to only pop up when theyre almost on top of you

[placid wyvern]

Dang playing with a guy rn who has 1388 ping.

[humble trench]

gl, ur gonna die behind a wall after 3 minutes

[placid wyvern]

Don't worry, he's on my team

[humble trench]

lol.

[hollow totem]

Must be fun for people who shoot at him, noclipping bullets like he is in matrix

[humble trench]

if the netcode truly tries to compensate without a ping limit, that'd be a serious problem lol

[rancid basalt]

Why does aiming feels normal one game and another it feels stuck?

[placid wyvern]

netcode

[sturdy spindle]

ur getting nervous

[rancid basalt]

Literally game feels like it doesn't register micro corrections at higher sens

[placid wyvern]

What's the polling rate on your mouse?

[rancid basalt]

1k, 1600 dpi, 27cm, 180 - 220 fps no drops, 3:2 res

Hitscan + hayate/hien

[sturdy spindle]

record some gameplay and send it

[rancid basalt]

I wouldn't mind if it was a pure skill issue but i have my doubts about it

[humble trench]

na this game does strange things, makes it feel very difficult to build some muscle memory, at least to me

[rancid basalt]

Hard to record how the game feels lol

[placid wyvern]

Given that player position is server-side, that might contribute if you incorporate movement into your aim.

[sturdy spindle]

u can record how off ur aim is

[placid wyvern]

Worst thing ever.

[rancid basalt]

Maybe with mousecam cuz i swear i move it but it doesn't do anything ingame. 4.2kd, 3.3kpm, breakthrough only on EU

I noticed it mostly at certain region servers where i have 32~ ping, doesnt happen at 40+ ping or even when i play with my NA friends

At 100+

[placid wyvern]

It's possible aim assist and magnetism are also server-side.

[tall zinc]

they arent

[placid wyvern]

For sure?

[tall zinc]

yes they're client side features

[placid wyvern]

Hmm.

[humble trench]

is that why ppl on gamepads have a good time but those on a mouse dont

[rancid basalt]

Maybe there's some weird packet loss on that server

[placid wyvern]

Same thing happens on roller.

[sturdy spindle]

yo what all this excuses for bad aim

i want season 2

[robust knoll]

it's netcode bro

[placid wyvern]

Best sight for Trait?

[humble trench]

hipfire the revolvers, sights block vision when they recoil

[placid wyvern]

I know, but when I need to aim?

[humble trench]

or rather, even when you ADS u dont want a scope

personally i dont put anything on them but thats me

either that or find the physically smallest scope u can find, likely a 1x

[tribal zodiac]

The LMR might actually be the worst gun in this game

[placid wyvern]

E.S 5.7

[sturdy spindle]

rpk

[tribal zodiac]

I have no problem with it

But by god do i have a problem with the LMR

[placid wyvern]

Of course you don't.

[tribal zodiac]

I think the 1911 is the worst pistol

followed by the glock

[placid wyvern]

That's bizarre, but I don't care enough.

[tribal zodiac]

then the 5.7 and then p18

m44 on top and m357 2nd

But also there is literally no reason to use anything other than the m44 so

[placid wyvern]

Trait's nice.

[cursive ridge]

The PW7 as a whole

[olive coral]

I like the trait better than the M44, seems easier to handle. I prefer having more ammo before reloading

[cursive ridge]

Try dealing 6 BTK in close quarters on body shots

Without its low recoil/spread values and its 950 RPM, it's a joke instead of a niche carbine/ar midrange support

[tribal zodiac]

Synthetics and aim at the head, problem solved

[placid wyvern]

Yeah, aim for the most difficult appendage to aim for and every weapon is good.

[tribal zodiac]

I'd argue arms are harder to intentionally hit

aim center upper chest and let the recoil drag it up to their head

[placid wyvern]

That's confirmation bias, because you never intentionally go for the arms.

[cursive ridge]

That said, I'm just going to go back and max out the PW5 and the SGX until 2xp ends in about 9 hours

[placid wyvern]

Makes no difference than the chest

[tribal zodiac]

If its the only part of them i can see i will lol

[placid wyvern]

So a niche circumstance, which conveniently conceals the head.

Of course that makes your point work.

[tribal zodiac]

Idk what you want big dawg

[wise wadi]

how many hours till double XP ends?

[placid wyvern]

Suggesting to "aim for the head" is non-advice since everyone prefers to do that anyway.

It also overlooks the weakness of a weapon. It's like if I told you to "aim for the head" with the LMR.

[tribal zodiac]

Half my kills with it are headshots

[placid wyvern]

Don't care

The gun's good.

Tongue-in-cheek.

[tribal zodiac]

I mean i just dont like DMRs period

[placid wyvern]

Not even the SVs?

[tribal zodiac]

I'd rather any sniper with a guaranteed 1 hit to the head

[olive coral]

I like the first DMR, though only that one. Normally I don't like semi-auto rifles in FPS but that one hits this time around.

[placid wyvern]

Bet you'd prefer a DMR is someone snuck up on you with a sniper.

[green frigate]

I found the new breakthrough meta.......lose all the caps and 90% of your team starts sniping.

[tribal zodiac]

No i just shoot them in the head

[green frigate]

I'd rather have snipers with screen glare when they are getting surpressed

[placid wyvern]

Every time?

[olive coral]

Sniping is easy to resort to because when you feel like you're being swamped you'd rather have more space between you and the enemy.

[tribal zodiac]

#screenshots-and-clips message damn near

[placid wyvern]

One clip therefore every time?

[tribal zodiac]

Theres about 10 more clips of me sniping close quarters on this game

[pure elk]

Why does the number one sniper always attract the same kind of people 😂

[placid wyvern]

And I don't care to watch them.

[tribal zodiac]

Ah hell im like #5 now lol

Been going through leveling up all the other guns

[pure elk]

The way the others in top 5 farm bots. Probably difficult to recatch

[tribal zodiac]

I just used snipers for the first time in like 2 weeks today

I forgot how good they feel lol

Also just passed 70% win rate in BT so thats neat

[placid wyvern]

wow

[rancid basalt]

Its fine people still gonna talk about sbmm or other bs holding them at 50%

[humble trench]

just cuz he can get up there doesnt mean everyone can, razr is an exception :p

[pure elk]

His is legit. But it’s easy to pad win rate by quitting matches. I looked at Enders tracker yesterday. He has like an 83% win rate with hundreds of partial matches which proves he just quits when he starts getting killed or fails to get the vehicle

[rancid basalt]

Im sitting at 70.3%, played against people with 80 - 90% winratio on breakthrough with crazy stats but i feel like they leave matches at this point

I leave 95% of defences myself cuz its boring af even tho it would for sure boost my winratio

[tribal zodiac]

Only matches i leave are bot matches really

That or i join into a mid game stomp

Not that it matters because tracker wont count games you join mid session, win or loss

[rancid basalt]

Tracker is meh at best anyway, kills peoples kpm with BR instead of counting it as different mode, doesnt count kpm properly at all. Better than ingame stats, that's for sure tho

[heady gale]

Hmm

[tribal zodiac]

I havent touched redsec and never will lol

I'm not what you'd call a gambling man

[rancid basalt]

It was fun for a bit in a stack but solo its crazy sht

[heady gale]

Once upon a time I had a 49% win rate, it’s now 70%

[placid wyvern]

Bog-standard BR. Nothing profound about it.

[tribal zodiac]

I just dont care for BRs at all

Randomized loot is just a ridiculous concept

[heady gale]

Over rated

Wait is there no slow mode

Finally

[placid wyvern]

It's for thrill more than competition.

[robust knoll]

dead server

[pure elk]

Nope we behaved long enough to remove slow mode

Don’t fuck it up 😂

[heady gale]

This is so much better man

I’ll do my best not to get timed out

[tribal zodiac]

Also was hoping to get to level 500 today but ended a hair off of 498

[placid wyvern]

wow

[slim zodiac]

Hi

Wanted play gauntlet. Im ok at game if im in right mood. Got 15 kills in red sec days ago i level 35.

Anyone. In a gane

Any in a game

[devout sedge]

How am I being locked onto if im below 30m and not painted?

Makes no sense

The AA rocket

Launcher

SLM 93A

[balmy sinew]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🤤 !

[undone oracle]

Any one playing gauntlet trying to join a squad

[quick echo]

yurrr

[undone oracle]

Seenlenleid is my name on bf

We need 2 more killers with heart

[rancid basalt]

I tend to only play attack on breakthrough solely because of freedom how to approach the game, the flow and game pace is up to me not up to how enemy attacks or rather just sits and does nothing while being basicly spawn camped. Sounds like waste of time to me, especially when there's only one stat I sort of care about and its kpm otherwise I get bored fast unfortunetly. I dont have fun if I need to depend on someone else.

[charred rose]

I finally have some time to return to the best game ever I am sorry in advance to any squad unlucky enough to have me in it we are NOT winning

[hallow geode]

2042's season 7 trailer has 200K more views than BF6's season 2 trailer

[robust knoll]

it's over

[balmy sinew]

2042 has a season 7 😭 🗣️

[spark condor]

Isn't BF6 just a modified 2042 engine and reskin?

[chilly sand]

you mean frostbite that been used since 2008

[random oxide]

Guys I purchased 5000 coins
Will I get the code for the starter pack when the season launches or shortly after?

[plucky herald]

You can't use battlefield coins on the final tier of the battle pass I'm not gonna finish it in time 😭

[echo creek]

Y'all had more than enough time to finish that lol

With delays and all

[plucky herald]

Ik but I suck

[robust knoll]

I'm close, 2 more to go

[plucky herald]

Even with the bf pro xp boost

[echo creek]

I bought most of the tiers

[echo creek]

Isn't there specific challenges to gain tiers quicker or is that only the bonus paths?

[plucky herald]

I don't know

I hope so

[echo creek]

Look in weekly challenges

[plucky herald]

Oh yeah I see them

Yay maybe I will finish it

[abstract nexus]

What starter pack

[leaden vessel]

I had to dump hours of my life to finish that battle pass

[barren heath]

[balmy sinew]

!

[patent shell]

I know right, took so damm long even with the bonus xp and challenges

[modern badger]

when does 2xp finish its in a couple hours right?

[gleaming quiver]

s2 today confirmed?

[olive basalt]

tomorrow™ (Tuesday)
(It's still Sunday for me)

[leaden vessel]

Fr

[pine sorrel]

Coming back to Bf6 this week bc arc is getting super repetitive now w no updates 😭

How is BF6 holding out? Haven’t played since Nov

[balmy sinew]

I feel like the new season is gonna be crazy 🗣️🗣️

[robust knoll]

[balmy sinew]

[hearty kelp]

people are overwhelmingly disappointed and angry with S2

[pine sorrel]

Why’s that??

[hearty kelp]

two maps for a three month wait, a lot of the content being fomo, a lot of vehicle issues not being addressed

the consensus is "too little content for a season that was delayed to fit more in"

though i'm biased, i made a lot of noise about the glaive being dogshit and that got no mention

there's a big laundry list out there somewhere and i'm not doing it justice

i'm a guy that plays a broad variety of things but I think 6 is just highly lacking

[gleaming quiver]

i love how the UI wont simply list your squad members and their class

[rich torrent]

It wasn't delayed to fit more in, it was delayed to "further polish and refine".

[abstract nexus]

Why is the base grenade launcher so inconsistent

I feel like trying to get value on a small map is a coin flip and getting value on a large map is impossible

Is it like grenades in siege where its just for breaking shit

[leaden vessel]

Why though

[astral acorn]

only 2 new maps again...zzz

[hearty kelp]

come on dude

you can scroll up or down

[clear marsh]

Best gun for high kills? Aggressive playstyle

[plush vigil]

SCW-10

[clear marsh]

Got clips?

[plush vigil]

Not right now... but 33 dmg output only downside is small mag.

[abstract nexus]

Sg553 also works if you dont like the small mag capacity

[alpine hound]

https://www.tiktok.com/@nader.mohamed.nou3?_r=1&_t=ZS-93xpcidZUW1

[upbeat grove]

eww tiktok, no

[sudden grotto]

reposting cuz why not:
Do I need battlefield 6 edition (i only have redsec) to unlock the reach rank 9, 14, 25, etc achievements? Im rank 51 and I havent even unlocked rank 9 on steam achievements'

[upbeat grove]

not sure how that works with just Redsec. hopefully someone here knows

[sudden grotto]

do you have the game and does it unlock for you?

i have redsec only and it doesnt unlock so I guess I need bf6 game to unlock em

[upbeat grove]

yeah, i have the main game and redsec

[sudden grotto]

ah I guess I need the main game

dangg

[clear marsh]

Okay

[sturdy spindle]

m433

[sudden grotto]

How many hours left for the battle pass till season 2?

can anyone count?

I hit feb 17 a day earlier so I its feb 15 in usa rn?

[upbeat grove]

i never learned how to count, sorry

[sudden grotto]

Maybe its feb 18 here for us

feb 18 mn

[tawdry cipher]

How are you in feb 18th already, im in australia and its 6:33 pm on the 16th haha

[sudden grotto]

im in the ph, so when do you think season 2 drop? feb 18 on us? since we are 1 day ahead of us

it drops on feb 17 for usa right? so feb 18 in aus

idk like that

[tawdry cipher]

I do believe a counter exists

[sudden grotto]

it also does show 7 hours left on the battle pass store time counter

so.. theres that damm

[tawdry cipher]

It will be the 18th for us when it drops

[sudden grotto]

I might have enough for one more free drop lol

[tawdry cipher]

It should release on the 18th for you? It would be the 17th for you rn i assume

If you meant Phillipines

[sudden grotto]

its 16 rn

[sudden grotto]

i guess yeah

i wish the season 1 timer was more precise

it can be saying 01 weeks left

its not useful

[tawdry cipher]

Sometimes the season have a few days of nothing between switching over

[upbeat grove]

today is monday, the 16th, 3:42am

im on the east u.s.

after 12pm, it starts a new day

[sturdy spindle]

im still in february 14

[upbeat grove]

they need to replace feb 14th with another halloween

[sudden grotto]

feb 17 1pm

for my place i think

[upbeat grove]

yep, tomorrow morning

[placid wyvern]

Hollow points on trait worth it?

[pure elk]

Try having wife’s bday and wedding anniversary and valentines all in a four week span

$$$$!$!!!

💀

[pure elk]

Most people don’t think special ammo is worth the cost.

[placid wyvern]

I know, but there are exceptions. Wondering if trait is one of them.

[pure elk]

Trait?

[placid wyvern]

M357

[pure elk]

Is it not one shot head already?

I rarely use pistols so honest question

[placid wyvern]

Don't think so. Maybe in very close range, but I haven't been paying close enough attention.

But I know it's weaker than the M44

[pure elk]

I think in general if the headshot multiplier boost of hollow point is enough to reduce btk by one than it’s worth it if you have the points

[sly mulch]

Yall need one?

[pure elk]

For anyone with good headshot accuracy it makes a difference in ttk. To the casual player probably not gonna make a difference

[void crow]

Why does LMR27 is the only DRM which has standard bullets and a 1.34HS base while others are 1.50HS base with 20p bullets for 1.75HS, it also does less/same damage as auto rifles (27), maybe a boost to make it compete with other DMR at least would be welcome ? (like same bullets, and maybe 33 damage which will still be lower than all other DRMs)

[fiery oxide]

It is getting a buff

[primal badge]

when season 2 live ?

[void crow]

Only saw the reload time on the patchnote if you have anything more i'd take it

[fiery oxide]

"LMR27: Increased damage at close to mid ranges"

[atomic bone]

What time does the update start?

[fiery oxide]

Tomorrow

[atomic bone]

No specific time?

[marble stag]

no

[fiery oxide]

Well there is

[void crow]

Just read it while checking after your comment. So let's see and hope it would take less than 3 headshots to kill someone at any range

[void crow]

Battlefield 6 Season 2 will begin on Tuesday, Feb. 17, at 7 a.m. EST, according to a blog post from publisher EA

[atomic bone]

Ok thanks

[pure elk]

Free entertainment in general chat. Full on crash

[sudden grotto]

POG

[granite oyster]

Hopefully the little bird has unguided Missiles

[ashen dome]

Saw that...what happened? LOL

[midnight solstice]

I finally did it

I got the M433 done

[pure elk]

No clue but I’m sure I’m getting blamed for it since apparently I’m the scapegoat for all drama

[midnight solstice]

Alongside the M1014

[sudden grotto]

so it drops feb 17 for me too 8:00 PM (20:00) Philippine

excited to grind s2 battle pass

[sudden grotto]

max level?

[midnight solstice]

Yes

[granite oyster]

What’s this 1.012 update?

[ashen dome]

Guy totally lost his napper! LOL

[sudden grotto]

nice

i wish they just copy cod

we need ar with drum mags like 75 capacity lol

[granite oyster]

Bro what? 😭

[sudden grotto]

all the ars are 40 mags max

[sudden grotto]

i mean in the attachments

[granite oyster]

Ahh

[sudden grotto]

i was looking for 60 drum mags for the ar

but eh they cap at 40 fast mags