battlefield-6

[red kiln]

i wanted battlefield 6 theme to be the corean war

but thats probably never gona happend

[void crow]

Prob is engineer has 0 gadgets against infantry. They should at least give him the c4 or a turret

[deep glade]

Who play engineer against infantry

[red kiln]

64 bipod lmg players

[void crow]

The ones that you mention where there is no vehicle to destroy

Lots of people in close conquest 2042

[deep glade]

Then people won’t play recon either on close quarters maps

With the new changes, no insertion beacon

[red kiln]

i will

even without my beacon i will still play flank reacon

[void crow]

Recons played as a squad will be so powerfull in spotting ennemies, protect objectives with mines, drone objectives before assault. For sûre it's probably 5% of the playerbase

[inland nymph]

You can shove on a carbine onto recon and do aggro recon stuff.

[red kiln]

the squad party players

[deep glade]

Yeah that happens 0.1% of the times tho lol

[inland nymph]

Though if they were given the option to use stuff like the mp5, ump40, etc. It would give the class a bit more dimension.

[flint vapor]

Recon will be strong on CQB - They can spot traps, tugs and recon UAV will be strong

[red kiln]

if assault have the normal beacon give the infiltration to us fr fr

big as hell so that it cant be hiden and with a noise that can be hear from 32 meters

[inland nymph]

I don't know why assault got the beacon but I am not exactly crying about it.

We will see how the metagame develops and see what people will run on their assault kit.

[deep glade]

I’ll play engineer as usual, love killing tanks and helis

[red kiln]

assault have now all of the agresive gadgets wich, makes sense but still anoysme

[inland nymph]

Their gadgets have more worth in their utility.

[white moss]

Battlefield 6 gets optimized. Squad gets unoptimized

[red kiln]

and i will headshot you from 250meters before you make it to our tanks just as dice intended

[inland nymph]

Blowing out walls, beacons, ladders.

[deep glade]

Too bad you can’t hit cause of skill issues

[red kiln]

al of those are more effective for agresive playstile and for camping/positioning

[white moss]

Sneaks up behind lumuneers

[deep glade]

And my RPG hit won’t register hit detection

[inland nymph]

Yes, Though they do more than just kill. Demolition, flanks, reinforcement.

[red kiln]

thats what she said 😔

[deep glade]

Yes, however one thing I see as a trouble with open weapons is: engineers with snipers. They have long range weapons that can kill my heli or jets when i try to kill them

[inland nymph]

If engies can run assault rifles and do their job more all the more power to them.

[white moss]

Portal 2042 vs portal 6 are massively different

[inland nymph]

I well and truly fail to see the downside about AR engineer.

[deep glade]

I mean, engineer LMG is clunkier but deadlier

[inland nymph]

Eh LMG on whatever class does the same thing. Just support can zoom around the map better with them.

[old fern]

So genuine question. Is BF6 going to be a more grounded milsim shooter, a more arcade style shooter like the many arcade shooters that are out right now, or somewhere in the middle? Im specifically referencing movement, ttk, and weapon loadouts. How realistic is BF6 trying to be essentially?

[inland nymph]

It's more akin to being authentic than it is being realistic.

[deep glade]

Not milsim

[copper perch]

Definitely not milsim

[warped fog]

Why would it try to be a milsim when bf has always been arcade

[inland nymph]

Battlefield is full of dumb shit. Prepare to see idiots riding jets like they are a skateboard.

[deep glade]

It’s a grounded FPS with a slower flow. That is it

[white moss]

Don't think battlefield is even a combo

[deep glade]

RenDezook

[inland nymph]

Imagine battlefield as a game where you play with toys valued millions and millions of dollars and you being the upstanding citizen, Drive that million dollar tank off a cliff and destroy it.

[old fern]

Authentic being any class can have any weapon authentic?

[deep glade]

C4 launching your own tank

[inland nymph]

I have no idea what you mean by that. Open weapon classes just enables people to play their roles more effectively.

[old fern]

Gotcha so more arcade.

[inland nymph]

If you like engie you will not be hampered by weapon restrictions.

[white moss]

Who does everyone main? Support here

[inland nymph]

Assault.

[old fern]

I mean like you said its trying to be authentic. Authentic I assume you mean more true to the og BFs where weapons were locked behind a class yes?

[inland nymph]

Authentic as in its place as a shooter takes elements from real life. This has always been battlefield's initiative

[red kiln]

i main whaever i fell like playing, most of my playtime still reacon just bcs my friends dont like playing it, i still use only dmrs on any class anyways.

[warped fog]

If playing infy there's no reason to pick anything other than support in this game lol

[hexed moth]

Only support can use smoke grenades. What is this foolery. Have I heard correctly? Let’s argue the point.

[inland nymph]

Well you know. Not all the classes having smoke grenades is a bad idea. Though it does lessen spam.

[old fern]

Gotcha. Arcade shooter with real life overlay.

[red kiln]

dmr's are underated, yall dont know how hight the skill ceiling its on dmr's

[deep glade]

Smokes are literally a key for classes like assault and engineer, they can help you evade tanks and blind them

[red kiln]

yeah making smoke a class exclusive big mistake

[craggy zodiac]

Communication isn't the strong point at EA DICE 😅 Anyway, I'm still waiting for that SP trailer.

[old fern]

Why?

[deep glade]

Them labs people probably gave some weird feedback to make DICE do this

[inland nymph]

Yes. Dice hasn't always been good with that.

[hexed moth]

I don’t want smoke, I NEED the smoke.

[red kiln]

you serious?

[deep glade]

Literally, smoke is useful for every class

[tall zinc]

itll probably be reverted i think

[red kiln]

smoke not even op

[warped fog]

Because assault can't be the frontline class they want without smoke grenades and engineers need smokes to cover themselves when reping vehicles, etc...

[hexed moth]

I use it assault. 🙁

[tall zinc]

there is a much bigger problem than this smoke decision that nobody is paying attention to and its the zero lazer

[deep glade]

This. Good luck advancing in rush or breakthrough without smokes

[inland nymph]

What would that be?

[red kiln]

smoke was used by everyone and no one complained (except for the spaming but there where other ways to reduce it)

[inland nymph]

Oh my bad I misread. Like the zeroing.

[red kiln]

why

[inland nymph]

How it will automatically zero the sniper to easen sniping.

[tall zinc]

the zero laser allows a sniper to zero in on any location just by aiming with it meaning theres no dropoff whatsoever regardless of distance

[inland nymph]

Yeah that's just lazy.

[warped fog]

Horrible

Sweet spot is already bad enough

[hexed moth]

I’ve seen that, so no drop. Perfect hit.

[red kiln]

dice trying not to lower skill floor= (imposible)

[old fern]

I see your point using smoke for concealing movement is a real life tactic used among modern militaries. But that is not what BF6 is aiming for as im told. BF6 is at its core an arcade shooter with a sprinkle of real life elements. So everyone having smoke doesn't really align with that gameplay orientation

[cold panther]

idk about you guys but the laser looks fucking ugly to me

I hate seeing gameplays where people use it

[deep glade]

But that is how every previous BF did

[willow lance]

Create an issue
Fix the issue
“Omg DICE listened to the community!”

[warped fog]

Wdym I use smokes on every class in every game

[red kiln]

who df complained about bullet drop for them to introduce that

[warped fog]

Is your pfp jill valentine with a ww2 helmet? 😂

[willow lance]

Yeah

[hexed moth]

And you get it at tier 15. Everyone will be using it.

[deep glade]

I basically think it’s to help lessen the sniper skill gap

[warped fog]

Sick 😂

[willow lance]

Thanks

[old fern]

Hey i agree with you but earlier I asked if BF6 was more grounded in realism or arcade shooter. The response was arcade so my point is that if the game says 'we aren't a realistic shooter', then why should they have to incorporate mechanics that allow for realistic militaristic gameplay.

[red kiln]

thank god i prefer dmr, i like my gun to have skill expresion and not that stupid no drop bs.

[tall zinc]

it doesnt lessen it it makes people who were already good with snipers the best players in the match

[deep glade]

Its to streamline it for the cod players, helps make it easier to get into

[flint vapor]

It is stupid to have in the game, however, they can just increase the cost of it so that you lose out on other attachments if it’s too popular at its current cost

[warped fog]

It's not incorporating because every game before 6 would let you use smokes on every class

[red kiln]

it has to be a 45 cost min

[deep glade]

Make it so you can only use the laser and not have the gun equipped

[crimson gate]

Sniping just isn’t that efficient in Battlefield anyway. KPM is super low. I think the range finder change is dumb but it doesn’t make snipers OP

[red kiln]

its actually simcade

[willow lance]

They should remove scope zeroing instead tbh and keep the range finder. Range finder would give you the distance so you can adjust your scope to compensate for it.

[tall zinc]

well dont worry because with the emr you can have a attachment that increases the bullet velocity by 200m/s

[echo ginkgo]

Seems cod is pulling out all the stops to try and keep players hah zombies is now apparently coming to the beta

[red kiln]

people still have the mentality that the game can only be arcade like titanfall or milsim like arma 😭

[warped fog]

It's still gonna outsell bf6

[sacred grove]

16 days lefttt

[red kiln]

yeah but will not get enought revenue to please the shareholders

[willow lance]

At least treyarch isn’t removing smokes from classes 😂

[flint vapor]

I think this game is a lot like BF3 was for me - It’s found a perfect balance of immersive sim like elements with a dash of sandbox arcade shenanigans

[red kiln]

for such a masive ip like cod outsell bf its not really their target bcs of the masive amount of money they are used to get and expend, even if bf dosent outsell cod the hit they will take on revenue might be disastrous for them regardless

[red kiln]

as it should be

[willow lance]

Yeah single COD game’s budget is like over 1 billion, it’s catastrophic if it doesn’t sell 20M

[flint vapor]

You and your squad can clear a building tactically whilst another squad at the other side of the map is in a c4 jeep going at Mach Jesus towards an unaware AA tank

[torpid phoenix]

its always been a sandbox/arcade shooter. something like arma is a milsim shooter, and cod is an arena shooter.

[red kiln]

only on battlefield ™

[old fern]

Yep. It should absolutely be allowed. Honestly I don't care about the smoke or no smoke. I've been watching all of the content for BF6 and it seems to me like the formula for BF6 gives DICE the flexibility to change the game however they want. And they will change it however it needs to be changed for the sole reason of maximizing profits. Using the movement issue for example. People in the youtube comments were upset about how all the tubers were exploiting unrealistic movement and they were saying "ohh this movement is unrealistic". But my argument to that is, "well if bf6 is an arcade shooter, what does it matter?" Same thing for the smokes, if bf6 is an arcade shooter, then not everyone has to carry smoke where they would in real life. The problem with a simcade is that it is trying to be a game made for everyone and a ge made for everyone is a game made for no one. Either make it an arcade shooter and don't complain when streamers play it like an arcade shooter, or make it a more realistic shooter and adopt a more strategic playstyle that more closely mirrors modern day combat. Or I guess DICE can tow the line and make whatever change makes them the most money and justify it by saying "well its an arcade shooter with realistic elemens".

[flint vapor]

Grenades, Minis and smokes should be for all - it’s like the standard trio

[crimson gate]

Would it not be a good idea if we played the game first before suggesting changes to gameplay?

[willow lance]

COD is an arcade shooter and everyone can use smokes, it’s not a matter of arcade vs milisim. It’s just dumb to not give everyone smokes regardless of subgenre. Average player will use bot frags anyways.

[crimson gate]

COD doesn’t have classes

What a stupid example to use

[red kiln]

battlefield always had been a simcade, and it apeals to a certain audience, its not trying to apeal to everyone

[deep glade]

Not this one

[willow lance]

You don’t lose select tacticals depending on your perks 🤷

[crimson gate]

They are two completely different games bro

[flint vapor]

I feel strange that battlefield is always compared to cod - It could be anymore different that it is in this day and age

[vapid yarrow]

How many days remaining??

[flint vapor]

Too many

[red kiln]

too little

[old fern]

By what I've been seeing, I'd have to respectfully disagree. It definitely seems like they are trying to toe the line. Which logically makes sense because making the game for both player bases maximizes profits. That is unarguable from a logical standpoint.

[red kiln]

dont you see that when bf6 launches 2042 will die, i want them to delay it soo that i can enjoy advancys paik a little more

[red kiln]

if they wanted to apeal to both playerbases they would have not nerfed movement

[wind kettle]

🤡

[old fern]

Yes they would have. How many arma 3 and squad players were gonna buy BF6 if they didn't?

[crimson gate]

Nerfing movement but keeping the quick health regen.. they are still catering to the COD community lets be real

[red kiln]

i actually like the quick health regen

[red kiln]

well i would

[old fern]

Exactly. A sprinkle of what this player base wants and a sprinkle of what this player base wants. Maximize profits

[vapid yarrow]

What a bummer, phantom edition doesnt have the SLEDGE HAMMER skin

[crimson gate]

This is what people mean when they say the game is fast paced. Low respawn time, low regen time etc

[old fern]

Not me

[vapid yarrow]

Cmon fast paced? People are camping with a shotgun

[red kiln]

i actually think slower movement with quick health regen its actually good

[flint vapor]

I feel like people will come to BF6 because it will be a better experience - It’s going to come down to content and the rate of content (modes, maps, weapons, vehicles, ect)

[willow lance]

Health regen is also nerfed compared to beta

[crimson gate]

Nerfed by 1 second lol still 10 seconds quicker than bf4

[willow lance]

Basically no reason to use anything bust support and engineer thanks to DICE Sweden balance

[red kiln]

????????????? assault?

[crimson gate]

The health regen is so quick they made the med kit and resupply bag the same gadget

[willow lance]

Good, I don’t want to wait 45 seconds just to be able to play the game again

[crimson gate]

Find a med kit?

It only encourages solo play

[willow lance]

Have 1 hp, find a medkit

Might as well hit redeploy, faster too

[crimson gate]

Exactly my point

[old fern]

And that's perfectly fine. I just came here to point out the fact that DICE is still doing what they have been doing. Making a game not for the passion of BF but for money. Don't buy this game to quickly. I may still buy it, but im going to wait until most of the sales come through and see what audience DICE decides to cater to then.

[willow lance]

It’s not fun to wait 30 seconds to restore your health, which is what caused medic meta in BF3 and 4, BF3 at least had fast medkits but in BF4 it takes ages to regain your health even with a medkit

[flint vapor]

I like how when a company doesn’t listen to its players, it’s because of greed, and they just want one type of people to buy the game and suck them dry, but when they listen to the customers that are telling them what they want to buy so they can make money by listening, that is also bad 🙃

[past jasper]

You know you don't represent all players right?

[flint vapor]

I’m not speaking about me?

[split parcel]

bought phantom edition 2 weeks to go 😃

[past jasper]

Playerbase wants conflicting things, there is obviously stuff being taken and being disregarded

[old fern]

Don't be nieve. Companies care about one thing. And it isn't you. And I mean no offense toward you on that. BF6 is making chanfes that players wanted tl see because 2042 flopped. The moment DICE hits its projected sales, you desires no longer matter. I know thag sounds terrible but its how the world works.

[red kiln]

i want uwu specialist

[torpid phoenix]

ftr base movement and sprint speed has been untouched. there's only a penalty for repeated jumps (no bf4 land sliding) and slide distance.

[flint vapor]

I think the problem is here is that the game has gotten so much attention and appeal so quickly that there is a hunger for a game like this - The new problem with taking in feed back from the community, there is a lot of cooks and one pot of soup

[red kiln]

still good

[torpid phoenix]

personally i hope portal allows us to mod movement slightly to re-add bf4 style bhopping. that shit feels borderline quake like 🤤

[old fern]

1000% percent agree. Polls should be implemented if they aren't already.

[vapid yarrow]

I think $100 is worth it man... like if you're spending $70 for a base game.. mind as well

I would undestand if base game costs $40 or something

[torpid phoenix]

bf4's movement was so good. so simple and accessible but powerful as hell

[flint vapor]

Dude, I wasn’t speaking from my point - I just speaking in a general sense - When a developer doesn’t listen with the community it’s bad and they are greedy but, when they do, they are just trying to appeal to too many people so now they are also greedy - Companies want money regardless, I would rather them listen to the community and take my money

[torpid phoenix]

i like how the one mechanic (aside from zou style) is just "dont hold keys when jumping" and you're suddenly cracked

[flint vapor]

In game polls should be a thing

[tidal current]

didn they slow down the health regen?

[flint vapor]

Or in game surveys also

[old fern]

Time will tell. Just stay skeptical. EA/DICE burned a bridge with a lot of people. Don't believe me? Watch YouTube for 5 minutes. They have a long way to go before that trust is re earned. My hard earned cash is staying in my wallet for now. But hey you enjoy it. Genuinely.

[hexed moth]

I’m gonna sledgehammer the f*ck on the 10th.

[crimson gate]

The absolute best managed game is OSRS with their community polls

[hexed moth]

Like Thor

[torpid phoenix]

@old fern lemme give you a perspective from an OSRS player-- oh

okay well, there was this update they wanted to do that added a pvp world boss. it was so detested by the community, it got scrapped before it hit the dev phase.

bf6 has a ton of leaks, they've expected this, and they're letting concepts hit the players before they sink time into it

[old fern]

Going to eat dinner. Best wishes

[tidal current]

If they make sacrifices to the core game to appeal to too many people then theyre not listening to the community. There is no catch 22 here

[dark owl]

good afternoon r u guys arguing yet

[plucky dawn]

I haven’t been following the news much or dev posts. Does anyone know if there’s been any changes to the way people can give up once they are down? Like extending the respawn timer or anything? In the beta it seemed like people would rarely ever wait to get a revive and they would just give up right away so they can get back into the game quicker, draining tickets faster as well.

[tidal current]

gimme a second need to whip up some ragebait

[old fern]

Ohh wow that is crazy.

[tidal current]

clears throat
90% of BF1 hate is purely ego

[vapid yarrow]

All i see with the chat is about "listen to the community" and i dont know what that means

[flint vapor]

Dude, I didn’t buy a game for like two years because of Battlefield 2042 and it was the same for Battlefield 4 as well because of those launches - I’m as skeptical as you honestly, however, the confidence and communication isn’t anything I have seen from them like this since Battlefield 3

[hexed moth]

It’s getting there. Just gonna order my pizza.

[dark owl]

clears throat
BO7 multiplayer trailer looks fire

[torpid phoenix]

this is the first time im giving money to EA in over a decade. im skeptical like you @old fern but with a blank cheque and some of the most remarkable player feedback response i've seen in a AAA game in recent times, i am a bit more hopeful than usual.

[dark owl]

what's your favorite pizza?

[plucky dawn]

Please see yourself out the door. Make sure it’s locked when it closes. 🫠

[torpid phoenix]

garlic base. grilled chicken, feta, olives, and basil. nothing comes close.

[hexed moth]

Don’t forget ur coat

[old fern]

Valid. Im going to a restaurant so won't reply anymore. Take care fellas. See ya on the field.

[dark owl]

one of my favorite combinations too

[frigid dune]

saw the newest camikaze video. idk why he thinks ptfo is a bad thing... why would u want lots of medics running around the map not reviving teammates or dropping heals? what was the point of picking the class? let alone teamwork? because its not fun? in game modes where k/d doesn't matter as much like conquest or breakthrough or even rush? idk why he thinks we are gatekeeping bf6.. for newer players. maybe because ig being toxic? idrk

[tidal current]

Havent seen the vid but I got a suspicion he said something more nuanced than "ptfo is bad"

[torpid phoenix]

ptfo is more of a loose concept. everyone has their own idea of ptfo. some people will just rush objectives and cap flags w/o defending.

[frigid dune]

his reasoning ig is because not everyone will think its fun.... idk...

[dark owl]

but I'm a simpler man, wanna see me happy, it's with a tomato sauce base, mozzarella, parmesian cheese, tomato and basil pizza

[plucky dawn]

Anyone know if the sledgehammer is/will get nerfed? 2 hits on a wall shouldn’t bring the whole god damn building down. Cmon.

[torpid phoenix]

personally i think people should dtfo (defend)

[tidal current]

what exactly do you mean by "ptfo" here? As in a game mechanic, community attitude, or something else?

[torpid phoenix]

nothing more blood boiling than running to C from B, only for B to get immediately capped

[hexed moth]

That’s me, rush in like a tomato.

[torpid phoenix]

it means "play the f*kn objective", capture flags/plant bomb instead of focusing on kills/deaths.

[frigid dune]

the video implied the bf community are telling new players to ptfo n gatekeeping as he said.. but idrk Y . when thts the whole point of bf. n gatekeeping how?

not k/d ratio

[torpid phoenix]

there's gamemodes for tdm they can play, im not concerned about it too much.

[dark owl]

I'll add "revive your f*cking teammates if you are playing medic" in addition
ppl use the support class just to have unlimited ammo and totally forget the fact that they can revive downed allies

[frigid dune]

ikr like

bf has never been a super serious shooter, but why have a team of medics who dont revive/heal? wouldnt tht defeat the purpose of the classes adn or ptfo?

[torpid phoenix]

i missed when revives were either a nice surprised or expected at choke points, rather than something you're looking out for and expecting.

[plucky dawn]

Does anyone here know if any more info has been shared about this 2D top down view stuff they mention on the website as part of the Portal stuff. That sounds very interesting to me. Like… can I create some kind of command and conquer type of gamemode in portal? Because that would be VERY awesome.

[torpid phoenix]

i mean this system is objectively better, dont get me wrong, but it just hit different.

[torpid phoenix]

iirc portal has some components that can be dropped into an experience to tweak stuff like camera and movement. lots of tweakable stuff. you can search for it on reddit.

[frigid dune]

as much as he made good points n he dissected ptfo... people are saying dead bodies cant capyture points is a valid argument .. which doesnt make sense to me too much

if u ptfo there wouldnt be as many enemies on the obj...

[tidal current]

The BF commuity does have a tunnel vision issue for this part of the game
For one, Battlefield is first and foremost a casual sandbox game, and focuing on support is just one way to do that
Second, BF players drastically underemphasize the imporance of actually killing people to win, and often boil down class roles or good gameplay to mashing the 3 key at people

[plucky dawn]

It almost seems too good to be true. The amount of custom options it will have. I don’t want to hype myself too much but damn there is a lot of cool potential it sounds like

[frigid dune]

ofc but my question is if medics arent reivivng and giving heals etc if everyone is out for their lonesome... wouldnt tht defeat the purpose of ptfo? and teamwork? i think yes

[torpid phoenix]

when they brought out the Godot editor and started showing off Halo avalanche ramps, i knew they were cooking.

[past jasper]

Polls would be skewed towards the more hardcore playerbase

[torpid phoenix]

i think they wanna compete with uefn

[tidal current]

90% of the time when you arent getting revived its cause you died in a stupid spot

[frigid dune]

idrk because pulling exists

[tidal current]

pulling isnt free

[dark owl]

there's nothing more frustrating than being downed in a fairly safe spot and see two or more medics dancing on top of your body and forgetting they can revive you

[torpid phoenix]

near damn crapped myself when they brought out Godot because i've been using it for like 5 years now 😂

[frigid dune]

ofc but my thing is its always been the better teamn wiuns the game right?

[torpid phoenix]

i am going to grill a whole ass feast with portal 🍴

[quasi breach]

ikr. even AIs are better atp

[frigid dune]

if won team is only medics mainly few others( not reviving or healing as much) and thew other one is full of mixes who do u think would win

[tidal current]

"is full of teamwork"

[mint hatch]

We need infection but all the zombies get sledgehammers

[torpid phoenix]

especially when the point is capped and there's already 6 people firing down the same choke and you got hit by a stray explosive at the back of the pack

[dark owl]

I was revived quite a few times by an AI in 2042 lol

[silver sonnet]

to be fair, when i'm engaged in a fight as a medic, it can be relatively hard to spot a downed player if they are literally below me, since i normally am tryin to keep an eye out for the baddies

[wise cloak]

Weres the vehicles in the scenario though

[torpid phoenix]

oh man i forgot, the best part about the AI troops, they will revive you

[tidal current]

plus theres a good number of moments where stopping for a res risks letting someone peak

[frigid dune]

same amount 2 tanks 2 heli's im taking the mix tbh engineers run the bf n defense alot fo the time

[tidal current]

Especially when youre running an LMG in 6

[quasi breach]

I have had better experience with AIs for the most part

[silver sonnet]

those medics who like to run in and revive without killing the guy who killed you, so you get to die twice haha

[tidal current]

nah man theyre PTFOing

[wise cloak]

Not having engineers to deal with enemy vehicles would be a problem noticed by any casual battlefield player.

[tidal current]

Sure you racked up a KD of 6 and captured several key flags your team used for victory, but you picked assault. Are you really a team player?

[dark owl]

I saw some people arguing about the repair tool being too fast to heal tanks, but I think it's fair the way it is. At the same time, tanks are a little bit of a glass canon (pun intended), RPGs deal a lot of dmg to 'em

[frigid dune]

sorry to spark such debate just seems weird tht ptfo is a bad thing in 2025 when it literally is a team game..... not everyone cares about on breakthrough or conquest

[silver sonnet]

I'm very much a team player. Cuz if i run with a couple people i can let them go through doors/around corners and get shot first, telling me where the enemy is

[tidal current]

im gonna be honest your take isnt particuarly coherent.

[wise cloak]

Sometimes those are really funny/clutch moments.

[frigid dune]

my thought process is the better team always wins in bf right...

but to say ptfo is abad thing because of it/ seems abit harsh...

[dark owl]

I like to chase kills but more than to chase kills I like to appear really high in the scoreboard. So I chase kills while defending or attacking an objective. Win Win situation, get kills, ptfo

[silver sonnet]

a team with squads functioning together tends to win way more than a team filled with lone wolves

being a lone wolf can be EXTREMELY FUN though, so like i get it.

[torpid phoenix]

ptfo wont be a problem. the game is designed in a way where players funnel towards objectives and naturally interact with them.

[tidal current]

I think the map design in some of the urban maps hampers this as they take a good while to navigate as a new player.

[frigid dune]

i just dont get this weird mentality of us being literally brainwashed for ptfo.. espeically when the game drops n everyoen wants all the XP they can get.. n thts not gonna be alot if u lose every other game..

[torpid phoenix]

ptfo rewards more xp than kills btw

[wise cloak]

If your not playing the objective then perhaps try team death match or something else.

[frigid dune]

i try to say tht but im being called harsh?

[frosty tulip]

battlefield2042's current FOMO is worse

[dark owl]

but the best way to earn the most exp possible is by playing the objective

[frigid dune]

thts wht im saying

just dont get how we are gatekeeping this ... apparently

[torpid phoenix]

haha same, im an ego-based team player

[wise cloak]

This is normal but like most games once you get the flow down and know were to go and how the spawns/flanks work things will fall into place.

[silver sonnet]

just gonna point out that a couple people not PTFO isn't gonna toss a match. generally speaking you'll have a large percentage of people acting as a unit, and then some leftovers just running around on their own. It's always been that way and it's fine.

I know, bold stance, middle of the road, right?

[wise cloak]

yeah. Distractions and meat shields have a purpose indeed

[quasi breach]

its literally the opposite for majority matches

[tidal current]

Look if you want to try your hardest to win the conquest match, thats fine. Thats fun, thats satisfying. If you intend to flame people or get tilted when they dont do that, though, youre just a tool. This isnt a serious game, its 32 v 32 with almost no sbmm and random bs constantly. People can have their own fun, and that also results in more varied matches as people arent focuing on the optimal strategy

[frigid dune]

? im not a tool i was mentioing how jack frags in the latest called us bsacially incompetent for saying ptfo for ' harming the bf community' which baffles me tbh

[wise cloak]

use AA emplacement on peak distract 5 snipers to a single player. 5 snipers that are not looking at your teammates is a win.

[vale wadi]

Oh there’s going to be some form of sbmm that’s for sure. That’s why they don’t want persistent servers and have different players every match

[tidal current]

because many people are way too focused on that and get toxic over it

[velvet kayak]

The reason my win ratio is over 64% on BFV is not down to me but the fact I always play with at least one squad of friends working together

[frigid dune]

im aware of tht. thts my best guess

as i had typed other then tht idrk tbh

[tidal current]

They dont want persistent servers cause its cheaper, its cost cutting first and foremost. Plus, theres no mmr system in the world that can consistently match 64 people.

[vale wadi]

That too but also sbmm

[tidal current]

judging by the beta, its weak as hell

[velvet kayak]

Gonna be a nightmare on launch day when half my clan want to play together

[silver sonnet]

people gonna run around like dummies in the early days of any battlefield game. everyone wants to try out everything as rapidly as possible. But it'll even out, folks just gotta get over the FOMO feeling.

[unreal grove]

Did anyone get a chance to try the LosslessScaling utility during the beta?

[silver sonnet]

hell, i was doing a ton more lone wolfing myself in the beta cuz i knew it was such limited time and i was trying to get my fill haha

[frigid dune]

wasnt trying to say it was was just questioing it tbf

[civic herald]

I have alot of deaths for trying to revive players

When I would normally not die

[hexed moth]

It’s painful to even open 2042.
Painful to even move my character on it. Sooo painful, 10th can’t come soon enough.

[spark marten]

so pc plauers

players

how many of yall cant play because of old spec pc ?with secure boot stuff

i have a 'old spec 'pc as they claim so i went and got me a xbox series x 2 tb limited edition console lol

and it came with borderlands and battlefield 6

[hexed moth]

Can’t they just open the beta for the last few weeks. ? Anything is better than…

[spark marten]

go buy a console

nvm u do

[slender hemlock]

This is my first time joining bf discord, is it actually beneficial?

For teams

[spark marten]

no

[hexed moth]

No 🤣

[urban turret]

Only enemies

[spark marten]

not on discord they are A holes and use hacks

use LFG on console its better to find friends and players

[worn marten]

Yeah, people are chatting in the lfg channels a lot, especially on Fridays. Can’t say I’ve ever used it for that though

[hexed moth]

There’s no clan support. That’s something I can moan about. Discuss?

[tribal pulsar]

Hello, I asked this question a few days before but nobody gave me a satisfactory answer, so I'm asking again.
I pre-ordered BF6 because I know that I will play the game in whatever state it is released at the moment. I pre-ordered on Steam with my EA account lined to the Steam account. Normally when I get a new EA published game through Steam, I can see the game in my EA App library very soon after, let's say a day or two at most. But I don't see BF6 there even though it has been well over the usual time it appear. I do not know if this is because the game is not out yet (due to pre-order) or if I encountered a bug.

Does anyone who pre-ordered BF6 through Steam see the game on their EA App library?
Thanks.

[worn marten]

I recall someone saying that the game on steam now launches entirely separately from the ea desktop app, so maybe it’s a full separation now and it doesn’t show up on ea at all

[hasty pecan]

Yeah steam launch did not spin up a separate ea launcher

[calm merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-dog-gif-9172069397548984647

[civic herald]

Ive only seen like 2 ppl in lfg teams use hack

[coarse viper]

single player trailer coming soon

[tall zinc]

not this time, the game doesn't synchronise to EA play on the preorder, infact it doesn't use it at all, it's a native implementation for steam

[plush bridge]

I might be wrong, but I feel like I remember hearing about it. Will Battlefield 6 bring back dedicated servers and the server browser?

[tall zinc]

server browser is in portal, dedicated servers (persistent) are confirmed for portal servers as an option

[acoustic plume]

Im sure your EA account is whitelisted and in que to have released the game on launch day, i wouldnt be too worried

[plush bridge]

Damn/: So no normal server browser like bf3?

[mellow drift]

Such an odd decision not to include anything clan related. Would be nice to play with clantags enabled again and have a roster page like there was before so you could see who was in it/logo etc.

[tall zinc]

yes no game has had that since battlefield 4

[plush bridge]

Sad. I really thought they were bringing it back

Probably saw some tiktok early on hyping imaginary features haha

[tall zinc]

they explained why they aren't, it makes sense but yeah it sucks

[plush bridge]

Haven't seen them mentioning it. Gotta google real quick then

[tall zinc]

the tldr is because they have to support it for xyz number of years dedicated servers mean they lose money over time renting them to players

[plush bridge]

Do you mean as in renting a server from Battlefield?

Cause I'm talking about hosting a server myself, that will then be visible on a browser list

[loud gulch]

Isnt portal from 2042 just a server browser

[tall zinc]

yes you were never able to do that, in 4 and 3 they cost money, there was never a thing of hosting your own server

[tall zinc]

no

[plush bridge]

Oh, I didn't know. I never had my own server back then, I was just admin on other peoples' servers and I just got the idea that they were self hosted

[loud gulch]

What is it then afair you choose a server there 😂

[tall zinc]

no they weren't, they were on an external hosting provider which had a contract with EA, and which players paid money to rent for

[tall zinc]

portal is a builder framework, the server browser is one component

[plush bridge]

They really should implement self hosting tho. They would save money on hosting the servers, if losing money is their concern 🤷‍♂️

[tall zinc]

they would never implement self hosting

[loud gulch]

Ah

[tall zinc]

no multiplayer shooter worth their salt would ever implement self hosting

[tidal current]

a ton of multiplayer games do this

[plush bridge]

Which makes no sense

[tall zinc]

yeah and those games don't have recurring titles

[plush bridge]

There's no good excuse for a AAA game to not have self host capability

[loud gulch]

Cs2 has it doesnt it

[plush bridge]

yep

[tidal current]

That doesnt make them "not worth thier salt" by any means. Most valve games do this, for example

[acoustic plume]

There is an excuse, a shitty one- mitigate expenses, maximize gains.

[tall zinc]

there is csgo, and that's it in terms of first person shooters which has a self hosting option for valve, and the main reason behind that is the engine is open

frostbite is not and there is no way they'd ever do that

[plush bridge]

I get the fact that they then have to develop these dedicated servers in a way so that they're not vulnerable to exploits, but please, with all the money they earn (not EA specifically, but all AAA studios), they can afford it

[loud gulch]

Its Ea after all lol 😂

[tall zinc]

nobody is saying they can't, yeah sure they could afford to bleed money (probably), they're making the decision not to

[tidal current]

Team Fortress 2, Squad, and Hell Let Loose come to mind.

[plush bridge]

What makes you think that supporting self-hosting would make them bleed money?

[tall zinc]

what's the common thing about those? they're all open engines

[tidal current]

You dont need engine access to launch them.

[tall zinc]

no I was meaning in terms of allowing the ability to host servers (rent), self hosting has implications which are beyond financial reasons

[dark owl]

What an open engine has to do with all of this? (genuine question, don't know how these things work)

[tidal current]

In fact there is no Source 2 Sdk yet

only hammer

[tall zinc]

yeah because the tools are precompiled with those in the first place, you cannot make a server in a way which doesn't interface with the engine, that's the entire point behind a server to client relationship, source 2 is just a iteration on source 1 anyways

[plush bridge]

And I'm saying that they can definately spend the time and resources on it. There is no excuse that is valid for them to not support it, as long as it's made in a way that doesn't ruin the gameplay

[tidal current]

"interface with the engine"?

[tall zinc]

as I said they would not open up frostbite to user access just to facilitate that

[tall zinc]

where do you think the assets etc all come from?

[spark marten]

u serioues?

[spark marten]

on console on the beta?

[tidal current]

Assets get stored on your local copy of the game, the server isnt interfacing with that outside of a check like sv_pure. The server is actively running its own version of the game and comparing the values of incoming connections to make sure it lines up. It doesnt need to "interface with the engine" whatever that means, its just running the game. Its like saying your car is interfacing with its tires.

[spark marten]

pc player base will die on pc

to many hackers lol

[tall zinc]

no it isn't this time round, battlefield 6 is using the Godot framework to be able to build custom servers, this isn't a case of just that anymore, if this was 3 or 4 yeah that would be the case, but not now

[tidal current]

And the Godot editor is signifigant here how?

[plush bridge]

(Source: AI, as I'm eating dinner and dont have time to start manually researching this, so it might not all be 100% true, but)
These are all closed source games that officially support dedicated servers;

• Counter-Strike (Engine is open source, but the actual cs game source files are not public (afaik))
• Rainbow Six Siege
• Rust
• DayZ
• and more
  (and obv a bunch others but I don't feel like a lot of them are relevant in terms of game genre)

[tidal current]

Theres nothing a server actually runs that gives a malicious person unqiue access that wouldnt already be available on a local copy of the game.

[tall zinc]

because you're able to manipulate terrain etc, which are physical modifications to the baseline assets, it isn't realistic to expect that they open that level of communication up just to facilitate self hosting

[plush bridge]

And you should somewhat easily be able to implement a sort of check on the client side, in case someone does manage to manipulate the game server-side

[loud gulch]

Nah, there are and will always hackers and yes on console too

[tall zinc]

dedicated servers =/= self hosting lol

[tidal current]

The level editor is not the same as low level engine access.

What security risk are you worried about?

[plush bridge]

I know lol but these are all dedicated servers that support self hosting

[loud gulch]

And killing a dude who has wall and aimbot feels extra nice 😂

[tall zinc]

yeah it's interfacing with the engine to be able to do that in the first place, it's just not realistic to expect that they'd allow for a precompiled binary which has never been published just because players want to self host

[tall zinc]

sorry to tell you but siege has no self hosting

[plush bridge]

As I stated in the message, the source is from an AI, so it might not all be true. I don't play siege so I wouldn't know

[spark marten]

console has micro aggression detection and it msotly doesnt work and its wayyyyyyyy more easily detected so nope

[tidal current]

in the same way your game is "interfacing with the engine" when you turn it on and walk around in a level. Maps are self contained files. What security risk are you concerned about specifically

[civic herald]

On beta yuh

Probably in pc

[spark marten]

pc playerbase for bf6 is 300k-500k and more than 100k are hacking lol

[plush bridge]

Everything is open-source if you spend enough time and know what you're doing anyway 🤷‍♂️

[civic herald]

They were tiktokers and streamers I saw hacking

[spark marten]

of course it was on pc because they are all hackers and thats why pc players get mad when console players turn offf ccrossplay because even the yknow deep down in their soul the ydeal with hackers lol

[spark marten]

same i know multiple vendors that sold 100k codes lol

thats how i know it was 100k+

[civic herald]

I think alot of console ppl will turn on crossplay

[tall zinc]

self hosting with access to a server browser which are routed through AWS means every client which has that binary has to be connected in some capacity, and EA have went out of their way to obfuscate where those servers are for years, that by itself is a security risk (arguable but security by obfuscation is a tactic), I'm not saying there is a security risk, I'm saying there is no way that they are ever going to allow for the possibility for it to be reverse engineered just for allowing for that feature (former) lol

[civic herald]

In bf2042 console ppl can turn off crossplay but there is almsot no one playing there

So most everyone in game plays in crossplay pc and console

[spark marten]

so pc players cant say im lying when the literal vendor sites state how much and when they sell on their site lol

[spark marten]

i think most people are on bf1 and 5

and that game is bad to just not from hackers just from creativity lol

[torpid phoenix]

the way that godot saves scenes is a transparent tscn text file, laying out all the resources in a scene. when you upload it to portal, it's very very easy to sanitize it for anything that doesn't belong.

[civic herald]

Theres probably alot of closet cheaters who will never be caught

Then theres ppl who blatantly cheat who ppl say are the only hacker

[torpid phoenix]

its no different from the forge editor

[tidal current]

They already allow for it to be reverse engineered as usually the client and server copies of a game are extremely similar. If you have BF6 on your PC, you have software running on the frostbite engine that you are free to crack into. The engine is not a server-side only piece of software.

[tall zinc]

yeah good luck with that, reverse engineering a game is much more difficult than server provisioning software

[tidal current]

theres little difference between a client and server bianry. If you cant crack one, you cant crack the other

[tall zinc]

there is absolutely a difference and a big one at that

[tidal current]

and what is that difference?

[plush bridge]

What? What's your source on them obfuscating the connection to hide the real location of servers? I've never heard anyone say that before, and I cannot imagine that they would do that, cause how do they combat the latency cost of such practices?

[tall zinc]

the client, of a game, has a forced authoritative connection to a server, that has implications regarding being able to implement things like file integrity validations, a server provisioning binary does not, well in that reality where self hosting is a thing, or at the very minimum is much reduced for obvious reasons

[tall zinc]

just because they are found doesn't mean they haven't tried to hide them, both are true at once

[plush bridge]

So your source is "trust me bro"?

[tidal current]

and what does that have to do with someone's cabaility to crack open the binary to reverse engineer frostbite?

[tall zinc]

well I need to watch my words really but go do some checks yourself you'll see there's basic obfuscation in play

[tall zinc]

hash checks? these kinda basic things, they get in the way of that lol

[tidal current]

to get into the source code?

[civic herald]

Guys everything can be cracked

[tall zinc]

no, reverse engineering doesn't mean getting to the source code, it means figuring out how the internals work

it is the same in essence really anyways

[plush bridge]

So you don't have a source, alright. They might use load balancing for example, but proxying the connections just to hide the real location of the servers makes no sense. Any proper data center has on-site security, so no, some guy is not gonna break in and start stealing "source files"

[fleet ermine]

Just release the game already dawg

[tall zinc]

it's AWS, if you know how AWS routing works you'd know that it by itself is a form of proxy

[acoustic plume]

Theyre adding some seasoning, wait

[plush bridge]

Yes, but that's used for stuff like load-balancing (which is very much needed for AAA games), but you're the one literally saying that they have been obfuscating the connections to hide the real location of the game servers for years. That's your words. You can't now say "that's just how aws works" cause that was not your argument

[fleet ermine]

But i want to play with the extremely overpowered air vehicles before they get nerfed

[tall zinc]

? I said AWS in the beginning

[tidal current]

the internals of what then? cause youre describing how the servers verify that clients connecting to them are valid but that is not necessarily the actual game that is being run.

Ive worked with more than enough mutliplayer games to know how this set up works. It makes sense for a game to not have self hosting if game servers are required to interface with some external server to function (progression, for example), but in terms of someone getting engine access theres not much of a concern here. The game that do it are often open engine because the mp games that require a community focus are usually indie games that cant develop thier own anyway.

[plush bridge]

"EA have went out of their way to obfuscate where those servers are for years" hmm

[tall zinc]

.

[plush bridge]

Yep, I saw. That's the same message I just quoted

[tall zinc]

look I'm just saying that from a matter of IP, they aren't going to allow for that possibility to placate a game feature that's all

unless they had some forced integration like the main game where it isn't self hosting anymore to attestate users it wouldn't work

[plush bridge]

And I'm just saying that the whole business of data centers are reliability and data safety. You gain nothing but more latency if you actively proxy the servers just to hide the location

[tidal current]

a matter of IP?

[tall zinc]

yeah, EAs IP

[tidal current]

once again, you have a copy of most of the code on your local version

[plush bridge]

Interlectual property or IP address?

[tall zinc]

intellectual property

[tall zinc]

it doesn't matter really

[warm kettle]

^This conversation is a roller coaster of changes in position and opinion.

[tall zinc]

it is a risk vs cost equation and it's not realistic for people to expect that they're going to allow for the mere possibility at all just because maybe 5 people want it

[plush bridge]

Yeah, I gave up.

[tidal current]

you vastly overestimate the risk and underestimate the cost.
EA has their own reasons to do it, but thats not because its some insane idea for a game to do so.

[rose inlet]

Do you guys think after gta 6 releases, BF6 player count will still be high?

[tall zinc]

yeah they have their own reasons, like wanting user metrics etc

[flint vapor]

If you guys could pick two things from previous Battlefields to add in to BF6, what would it be? (Map, guns, vehicles, game modes, ect)

[tall zinc]

eh probably

pc release isn't happening till 2027 the way things are going, console playerbase, hard to say

[tidal current]

Id say theres a decent chance that theyre required to connect to a more central server to function, which would make local hosted just useless.

but thats just speculation

[tall zinc]

well there is the bots aswell

[rose inlet]

Cus look first BF6 is hit with GTA6 campaign first, which will deplete the players , then its hit with the release of GTA6 online a few weeks later

[tall zinc]

no idea how you get those running in a way which makes sense for a self hosting integration

[tidal current]

bots are usually run by the server

[tall zinc]

they're seed models though is the issue

[tidal current]

seed models?

[tall zinc]

self learning neural network bots, made by SEED, they use heat map data of the maps to self learn how to operate

[flint vapor]

I think GTA6 is getting overhyped to the point that I think people will expect it to be the second coming and it will fall flat (I hope it doesn’t) but I feel like performance issues will strike it hard possibly

[tidal current]

Oh theres no chance in hell they are trained in the middle of a match.

[tall zinc]

no not in the middle, but how do you facilitate that kind of update to a self hosting client in a way which works is a entire quagmire

[tidal current]

Good point. Though a self host could simply have out of date bots.

[tall zinc]

yeah I was about to say they could just be left out of date but eh that's its own chicken and egg

"bot behaviour will vary" seems odd from a player pov

[tidal current]

if the bots get good enough it will become negligable. Also you could just update them during a patch, self hosted servers have to stay up to date anyway

[tall zinc]

yeah true there's probably other things the bots were just the first that came to mind

[tidal current]

Progression is likely the big one

Like those old mw2 servers where people would spoof the xp to unlock everything instantly.

[tall zinc]

oh yeah cant believe I missed that

there should be a law as a matter of policy that at a end of games life server software can be provisioned so games don't end up in the garbage but that's a game preservation thing

[tidal current]

though this isnt necessarily an issue depending on how its set up.

[plush bridge]

That's only console tho, right?

[tall zinc]

still console only

every game will be hit in some fashion it will be the biggest game release in history

though ironically the most hit as a percent will be gta 5 players going to 6

[tidal current]

i truly dont get the gta6 hype tbh

[rose inlet]

How are ppl still playing gta online in 2025 tho, they havent been adding anything good to it for the past 5 years 😂

[rose inlet]

Did u play gta 5?

[tidal current]

it was ok

[tall zinc]

well they did to be fair

GTA 5 enhanced is a legitimate upgrade

mostly for pc though

[rose inlet]

Ok is an understatement

[rose inlet]

Ok fair enough but the content updates are just trash

[tall zinc]

not wrong

[rose inlet]

Like who wants to play Clucking bells farm raids

[tidal current]

not really.
Like its alright but nothing that really had me on the edge of my seat or playing till late at night.

[rose inlet]

I'd say the last best update to online was diamond casino hesit

Or cayo perico

[rose inlet]

I mean everyone has their own opinions , but a lot of people really loved it tho

[tidal current]

thats why I said "I dont get it" instead of "this is stupid"

[rose inlet]

But I have to say the addition of an attractive female character as well as the jiggle physics does also boost the hype 😂

[mint hatch]

I have no idea who tf Luna Snow is in actual marvel lore, the first time I learned of her existence was getting an official ad of her bare ass while at work

[mint hatch]

we need to add the IDF Instagram to BF6

[rose inlet]

huh

[civic herald]

Wats jiggle physics mean

[rose inlet]

Not old enough, cant tell you

[rose inlet]

Do you mean IDF as in Israeli Defence Force?

[tidal current]

Should they be Pax or Nato?
Which is funnier?

[mint hatch]

Yes have you not seen them post thirst traps in plate carriers before lol, funny IDF recruitment tactic last year

[rose inlet]

Yes I have lol

[mint hatch]

NATO for sure lmao

[rose inlet]

Those traps are peak,

[tidal current]

Joins nato, alliance immeditley explodes

[mint hatch]

No you see that's actually why Pax Armada forms, a bunch of countries leave NATO in protest and form their own coalition

Dont even need to play the campaign anymore we figured it out

[ruby meadow]

Looking to get back into the good old squads, communication and enjoying playing as a team. Who be up for joining our discord and helping us build up a good battlefield 6 community when released? also looking for help.

[tight prism]

[civic herald]

Ppl be inviting me to discord servers when im lfg

But why would I join when I havent played with yall b4

[lyric roost]

so you can get on a call if your joining a group?

[hexed moth]

Damn I just got timed out 🤣
Do I get a medal for this.

[dark owl]

what did u say?

[pliant vigil]

I think the music soundtrack is missing the song jeep stuff mlg remix by Neebs gaming,

[hexed moth]

There are groups trying to start. But not seen any ladder system anywhere.

[hexed moth]

I attached a link 🤦‍♂️

[mint hatch]

Because modern gaming is against the idea of making friends (no persistent lobbies, clan support, recently some games have intentionally lacked VC and even text chat)

God I hope BF6 has a clan system

[tidal current]

why have friends when you can have progression

[versed rock]

I am with you, but, really common sense doesn’t prevail. Because ‘gaming gods have an agenda. Theirs nothing you, me or DICE could do about it. Games are not to be to Competitive, to soften up the people.

[mint hatch]

Ill be doing my part like always, I've been leading a clan for over 10 years on Planetside 2 and we will be moving to BF6 in a couple weeks when it launches

[winged hull]

commerciel break CXQB

[tidal current]

Games are not to be to Competitive, to soften up the people.
Jesse what the f*ck are you talking about

[mint hatch]

But meeting new people in modern games is more difficult than it used to be

[versed rock]

Interesting welcome, what is your platoon name and what platform do you play on.

[mint hatch]

[CXQB] Terran Kings and we play on PC

[versed rock]

Well can always play with us - I have social groups with APEX, HERS,HzRD MA1, I4L, POA, XIIV, PUSU, Fury, ENDZ and a few more <all PS BF5 platoons if you know you know.

[zenith wind]

A byproduct of the industry evolving to push out player interaction because it's cheaper and less risky. If folks can't communicate with each other there's no need to worry about what happens in those interactions

[versed rock]

Actually, DICE representative in this discord must explain, why no platoon support is not in BF6.

[winged hull]

it is, and it have been like that, right untill you meet face to face, and you do not have internet to hide in - tho are you who you are =)

[outer thistle]

man BF3 sucks so bad when you play solo, I must admit BF6 did not feel like this at all, it felt good solo

[tidal current]

"we cant have proxy chat because people would be too mean"
~people who have never been in a game with proxy chat and spend an entire party on their phone

[mint hatch]

Then imagine how the beta felt with 8-10 of your BOYS in the same server

[proven yacht]

Call of Duty, Rainbow 6, PUBG, Overwatch, Apex, Enlisted, Delta Force…

And that’s just off the top of my head, there are plenty more games that give you the option to play exclusively between Playstation and Xbox.

Console only crossplay is standard across the industry, instead with Battlefield 6 if you're on PC you cannot even turn off Crossplay.

At least if you wanted in 2042 you could turn it off.

[outer thistle]

idk I hate how small the maps are and cod health regen but I must give credit to BF6, game was genuinely fun solo it just didnt feel like Battlefield overall to me, I will warm up to it probably though

[vale wadi]

Companies are afraid of getting sued. Snowflake society so we gotta restrict restrict restric

[mint hatch]

My theory is the health regen was overturned in the beta intentionally combined with the small maps they gave us to speed up the gameplay

We already know health regen has been toned down

[outer thistle]

half of the reason bf3 was fun to me were people i played with, all of them offline now...

[mint hatch]

I might spread some dangerous ideas like: movie nights on Sundays! Scary!

[tight prism]

Black ops is doing zombies early in beta
Modern warfare 2023 released the campaign a week early for pre orders
Would be nice if we had something like this for the new battlefield

[ember bane]

Guys i'm so READYYYYYYYYYY

[winged hull]

that aint true, cause you can plugin a console into a PC -> i'm a console gamer -> and that tricks are that aim assist is aim assist -> i windows and from that BSOD fun from plug and pray -> and here we are, still arguing.

[tight prism]

Releasing the campaign early only gets players more time to focus on multiplayer so it makes sense

[mint hatch]

The rumor is the battle Royale will be launching separately and f2p

[fossil ridge]

Yo what’s good

[tight prism]

I heard that it will be free to play but an add-on for Battlefield 6

[mint hatch]

EA wants a warzone clone

[tight prism]

I don't think they would launch Battle Royale as its own game considering that they added it to labs and no that's not me leaking anything they confirmed it was being added during the reveal of BF6

[crimson gate]

bro are you having a stroke

[tight prism]

Most games that allow mouse and keyboard on console do not get AA lol

That is not why they ban it in games that don't want it

They ban in certain games like Rainbow six siege because mouse and keyboard is better than controller without aim assist. There is no aim assist in siege

[mint hatch]

Well siege is garbage now so

[proven yacht]

I'm sorry but I genuinely didn't understand half of what you've written, could you please be more clear?

Are you talking about M&K on console?

[tight prism]

He's basically saying that plugging a mouse and keyboard into a console gives you aim assist on mouse and keyboard when it does not

[winged hull]

my heart rate is around 80 rpm, what is yours?

[crimson gate]

rpm heart rate xD

[mint hatch]

135, I am having a heart attack rn. Help me

[tight prism]

The only game that I know of with AA on mouse and keyboard is Halo infinite

[flint vapor]

That is fair enough, I did not know this - However, this game already has a console preferred matchmaking built in so it doesn’t make sense then why they don’t have a hard consoles only option here? Instead when you turn it off in bf6, seems like it will be only your respected platform you can play with 🤔

[mint hatch]

Ugh and we all know how THAT game went lmao

[winged hull]

@proven yacht I could, tho but would I bother =)

[tight prism]

Crossplay is weird in BF6. From my understanding crossplay off just means no PC. You still get ps vs Xbox

[proven yacht]

I've played the beta on both PC and PS5 and most of the times I ended up in pc lobbies, so either it wasn't working or it just sucks.

[zenith wind]

PlayStation and Xbox are the same thing

[mint hatch]

PC racism toggle, truly PC gamers are oppressed

[proven yacht]

Do whatever you think it's best

[tight prism]

I don't think there's enough people on PC to make these games survive alone

[crimson gate]

I dont want to play against the console cheaters why is there no toggle for pc players

[winged hull]

@proven yacht I normally do.

[tight prism]

Console cheaters lol

The worst thing that console has is Cronus. Unless you're playing on a jailbroken PS4 and able to get actual wall hacks but luckily this game is not on last gen

[zenith wind]

PC is the platform that keeps games from dying across the board

[tight prism]

There would be no cheaters outside of Cronus without PC

[flint vapor]

I have always kept cross play on in all games that have it, I think pc players are so funny in games sometimes

[crimson gate]

"worst thing" still cheating and with a strong anti cheat on PC it means there will be more console cheaters as its easier to get away with

[tight prism]

It's physically impossible for companies like engine owning to make hacks for console

[winged hull]

Pavel28_It: You do know about internet relay chat?

[tight prism]

Security on console is basically like fort Knox. Security on PC is like entering a military base with no security

[crimson gate]

You know cronus/xim have anti recoil scripts and whatnot? It's not just allowing M&K with AA

[proven yacht]

Bro, I can go back and find servers on BF3 on PC if I wanted.

We didn't need crossplay for 20 years on PC and somehow now we do?

Im not saying crossplay shouldn't exist, cause its a good feature, but rather having it forced on everyone isn't the right way to do it.

They should give us more options.

[tight prism]

Yeah but most who use a Cronus only use it for better AA or to use mnk in games on console that don't allow it

[crimson gate]

Source?

[tight prism]

Why do you think you never seen anybody with wall hacks on console

[ancient storm]

Is there a way to play the games if I missed out on the beta? Is there a way to play the games if I missed out on the beta?

[winged hull]

"its a feature"

[flint vapor]

It’s a good thing that the studio is working with the first parties to detect these things

[zenith wind]

I also keep cross play on, complaining about cross play is cope imo

[mint hatch]

Yes, if you missed the beta you can wait 2 weeks then we can all play together

[tight prism]

The issue is this has changed. Most people are not playing on PC these days because of the cheating issue

[crimson gate]

Ubisoft tried this with Rainbow 6 but it's still a major issue

[tight prism]

I really wish consoles disclose player count because I'm sure between PlayStation and Xbox we have more players then PC

[crimson gate]

Nobody goes from PC to console because of cheaters. It's just not that big of an issue. Anyone that says otherwise has never spent a meaningful amount of time PC gaming

[tight prism]

Maybe not in Battlefield but in other games it is that way

[crimson gate]

Cap

[tight prism]

Have you not seen call of duty recently. Almost every Pro player and big content creator is saying to host pro events and even events like call of duty next on Console only

[crimson gate]

CS2 has probably the worst cheating problem in modern gaming and people still do not quit playing it.

[tight prism]

CS2 is also not on console

[flint vapor]

I’m not the best at FPS games but I’m also not going to be a cope boy about it - There is always someone better and there is always someone worse, I play the objective and have fun

[winged hull]

its cause they are console gamers = aim assist

[crimson gate]

Call of Duty has always been a predominantly console game

[tight prism]

They don't have a choice they have to play it on PC.

[crimson gate]

My point is people don't stop playing games even when the cheating problem is bad

[balmy yew]

Bro they’re gonna need to nerf marksman rifles man in BF6. My hip-fire gameplay gonna have dudes dropping like flies.

[ember steeple]

That is so blatantly obviously untrue lmfao, wow the copium from console players be crazy these days

[tight prism]

I mean call of duty PC is pretty dead right now

[ancient storm]

I don't know how well it would run on my machine, that's why I wanted to try it out, I have an RTX 4050 VGA.

[hallow geode]

https://x.com/BattlefieldInte/status/1970840054433268003 This account is doing gods work by making these posts regularly

[crimson gate]

So why would they switch platform to play a game with a less sever cheating problem

[mint hatch]

CS2 is a casino with a classic shooter mode, not the other way around

[crimson gate]

cod has always been dead on PC

[tight prism]

Where do you think all the cheaters are coming from

[pliant basalt]

Hello everyone:3

[tight prism]

Why do you think companies like engine owning have not made cheats for console.

Because it's not physically possible. Call of duty Black ops Cold war had cheaters on console and within 30 minutes that crap was done

[ember steeple]

Because the market for pc is larger

[crimson gate]

There are hardware cheats on console.

[tight prism]

Because it's easily detectable and can easily be stopped you cannot be a ghost hacker on console

[pliant basalt]

Huh?

[crimson gate]

xim and cronus can have scripts loaded

[tight prism]

It's kind of funny how when companies discuss cheating they never discuss console cheating

[ember steeple]

This Mike guy has no idea what he's talking about, literally every point he makes is entirely wrong lol

[pliant basalt]

I didn't knew that damn 😳

[crimson gate]

Rainbow 6 Siege? Battlefield 6? Hello?

[tight prism]

I promise you EA has never once addressed hackers on Battlefield in console lobbies

It's not something they've ever spoke about

[crimson gate]

Ok ur just rage baiting at this point

[tight prism]

Go find me wall hacks on Console I'll wait

[ember steeple]

Yeah I'm coming to that conclusion as well lol

[pliant basalt]

I didn't even knew you could cheat on consoles 🥹

[tight prism]

Because you can't outside of cronus these people are delusional

[winged hull]

doom -> duke nukem -> rince repeat, it same same

[crimson gate]

It's not the same kind of cheating but it's cheating nonetheless

[proven yacht]

Anyway does someone here have any meaningful argument against giving both PC players and Console players more freedom of choice when it comes to crossplay?

[tight prism]

It's cheating sure and cheating is cheating but there is levels to it

[pliant basalt]

And is there a way to stop em?

[tight prism]

You can't compare somebody who uses Cronus to use mouse and keyboard on console on a game that doesn't allow it or somebody who uses Cronus for better AA purposes, to somebody who uses blanket wall hacks

[crimson gate]

It's pretty hard because to the console it just appears like a regular controller I'm not sure what measures they use to try to detect it

[ancient storm]

Does anyone have experience with how games run with the RTX 4050 VGA?

[crimson gate]

When thats the only option to cheat then yes you can?

[tight prism]

It's all cheating that I agree with but there's different severity to it they're not going to permanent ban somebody because they used Cronus once. They will permanently ban somebody for using wall hacks once

[pliant basalt]

Well it's a good GFX card but fir more modern games it'll run abit imo

[crimson gate]

You're definitely a cronus user

[tight prism]

I don't even own one

[zenith wind]

I don't even know what Chronis is

[pliant basalt]

I just learn about cronus today btw

[tight prism]

And y'all are the ones who brought up the cheating stuff to begin with I just commented on it

Like the chat was already talking about it so like

[flint vapor]

Dude, any form of cheating, small or big should just be an instant ban - Why waste time, cheating isn’t an accidental thing - You are literally going out and spending money with the intention of admitting you are so bad at a game you need an advantage

[winged hull]

this keep getting better and better

[tight prism]

Because game developers look at it this way that's the problem. They don't like cheating but they even know that there is different levels to it.

[pliant basalt]

I just got into the chat and I do say I'm bad at fps games I just do the objectives and run away as fast as possible hahahahaha

[tight prism]

They target certain cheats and certain cheat developers so clearly they are looking at it from a what is actually the most lethal and which one can we deal with later

[zenith wind]

Can't wait to be accused of cheating when crossplay is forced on

[crimson gate]

It's just really hard to detect hardware cheats which makes it a much bigger problem to software cheaters on PC who need to pay a monthly subscription vs 50 bucks on amazon to cheat on console

[proven yacht]

All the discussion about aim assist, Cronus, pc cheats, etc etc could have been avoided had they given us decent crossplay options

[tight prism]

They kind of did it's just PC got the bad end of it

[pliant basalt]

My question is why cheating in multi-player in the first place '-'

[tight prism]

Because some people suck and others are actually good and want to punish bad people

Some cheat just because they can't get kills. Those people I feel bad for

[zenith wind]

like in anything, some just want to look cool and are willing to be fake to do that

[tight prism]

There's a guy that I see alot on tiktok and gets banned like 3 or 4 times a day in warzone. Hopefully he doesn't come to BF6 BR

[pliant basalt]

I don't take a game this seriously to look cool in it to be honest 😂

[zenith wind]

and that's what makes you cool

[pliant basalt]

In single player games I can understand but if it's a multi-player just be a a team player and play and let other have their fun 😂

[mint hatch]

Yes gamer! This makes you better than 70% of battlefield players

PTFO

[pliant basalt]

Oh thanks I mean I never hear this from others 😅 I appreciate that

[flint vapor]

Here for a good time, not a long time

[civic herald]

Idk why so many tiktokers use cheat

[tight prism]

Easy views = money

[mint hatch]

To get better clips for their tiktoks

[proven yacht]

It probably gets viral easily due to the high interactions

[civic herald]

Theres some ppl in this server with tiktok in their name who im 99% sure was cheating I played with..

[mint hatch]

See the problem with getting sick gameplay clips is you have to be good at the game, the average TikTok brain cannot contend with this reality

[tight prism]

Even if actual hacking went away there's still another problem

[flint vapor]

I would rather finish middle of the leaderboard with a decent amount of objective tickles than at the top with 120-4 and done nothing

[tight prism]

I don't know if it's infected the battlefield community yet but over in call of duty there are people that love to "2 box" or even "3 box". Essentially what that is doing is taking multiple accounts queuing in with them and then having them back out before the match actually starts because the game will give you slightly easier lobbies. Sometimes even "bot lobbies".

This is a massive issue in call of duty and I don't know if it's gotten to Battlefield yet

[mint hatch]

All im saying is if you're mad BF6 has no little bird for you to abuse in conquest, Warthunder is that way ----->

[tight prism]

You basically abuse matchmaking with it it's the new VPN

[proven yacht]

Kills might win you the top spot, but the objective wins you the game

[tight prism]

I don't know if it's already in Battlefield because I've only seen it in call of duty personally

[tropic imp]

Hi all. I was wondering if joystick support was fixed since beta? They had joystick options buried in the settings in the open beta but they were not registering? I'm looking to upgrade my logitech wingman for bf6...

[flint vapor]

I’m sorry but the best part of war thunder is uninstalling it 😢

[zenith wind]

Need my little bird back

[tight prism]

I mean it's kind of funny though when you think about it especially in call of duty when you can yeet the chopper into people and get free kills

[civic herald]

Its only rlly worth it to do that if lobbies are smaller and its ranked

Also wouldnt that only work if theres mmr

[tight prism]

I don't know how EA feels about it either because technically it's abusing matchmaking but Activision had to go in and add it to their terms of service

[tropic imp]

2042 has the nightbird if you want it. I suspect it's in bf6 but i'm not sure. I thought i saw video of it somewhere.

[tight prism]

It's a fairly New concept

[civic herald]

Battlefield doesnt have mmr

So lobbies would be same easy or hard

[mint hatch]

Thank god

[tight prism]

I'm sure there is sbmm in ranked

[flint vapor]

Death egg will be in 6 I’m sure

[civic herald]

Theres battlefield ranked?

[tight prism]

You can't really have ranked without some kind of sbmm system because ranked itself at its root is based on skill level

[tight prism]

I'm sure it's coming to Battlefield 6 at some point

[flint vapor]

No ranked confirmed for 6

[pliant basalt]

I quit playing CoD long ago then I saw b04 sleeping in my library 😂 I boot it up remember the good old times with my lost homies xD

[tight prism]

They are very careful on how they speak about things they don't really outright confirm or deny like even if you look at the skins and the topic on that the way that they've spoken about it is they've said they are going to try to stick to the roots of Battlefield. Keyword try

[civic herald]

Its not rlly known for ranked mode so I dont think theres enough support for ppl them to add it

[proven yacht]

I hope not frankly, Battlefield doesn't need it

[tight prism]

Give it a couple years maybe towards the middle cycle of the game and you're going to start to see a lot of what players don't want because it happens in every game whether it's call of duty Battlefield Delta Force siege it doesn't matter

[civic herald]

Then again they did add br mode

[tight prism]

They've had Battle Royale in other games for Battlefield

Nobody played them and I feel like the same thing is going to happen here the only change is you have the aspect of warzone players being tired of warzone

[red kiln]

Soo instead of spec ops class we got spec ops traits for reacon, but without beacon.....

[mint hatch]

Recon is still gonna be fucked for stealth, like being able to clear your own spot by going prone then rushing with a SMG

[tight prism]

I personally would rather have a spec ops mode based on the campaign over a battle royale

[red kiln]

By that time bf7 will be in development

[proven yacht]

Those modes where behind a paywall, it's probably going to have more chances at succeeding with the free to play strategy

[tight prism]

I don't think it's free.

If it's going to be a free mode as its own game why did they add it to Battlefield labs. Labs is Battlefield 6

[proven yacht]

It has been confirmed

[civic herald]

Recon needs to have invisibility

[red kiln]

Pubg was also behind paywall, firestorm where just plain bad

[tight prism]

Did they actually say it's going to be its own game

[mint hatch]

Died 2025, born 2025.

welcome back, Planetside 2

[civic herald]

IM INFIL MAIN PLANETSIDE

[flint vapor]

Bad company 3 would be the smart choice next - Continuing support on 6 and having a smaller tighter bad company experience that they can work on - Nice way to tie it to the universe

[mint hatch]

I knew i recognized your name!

[red kiln]

Fuck bad company i want battlefield corea

[civic herald]

Wha how you know

[proven yacht]

Pubg started the BR trend, but yeah you're right about the fact that those modes they had where nothing special

[civic herald]

My tag was allycatvs tho

[mint hatch]

This is what 10 years of Planetside does to a man

[civic herald]

And jetblackalleycat

[flint vapor]

What about Bad Company in Korea? 👀

[red kiln]

H1z1-minecraft started the br trend

[proven yacht]

Oh yeah I remember the hunger games

[red kiln]

We soo fucking back like double back na triple back if that happends

[zenith wind]

Bad Company 3 when

[proven yacht]

It became extremely popular with Pugb and soon fortnite followed

[tight prism]

Y'all play warfare in Delta force at all ? It's pretty fun. Might hold y'all till BF6 and it's free

[mint hatch]

While I wait for bf6 im playing borgarlands

[red kiln]

Tbh i might have spanish bias because the br genre was already popular on the spanish comunity before pubg/fornite

[flint vapor]

If this is a great launch and year and then a year after they slap out bad company 3 - I’ll tickle my own feet

[proven yacht]

I have tried it on pc, not on console yet cause I've heard it has atrocious controlls

[mint hatch]

BL4 is actually goated highly recommend

[zenith wind]

I remember playing Arma BR before PUBG was a thing

[tight prism]

They thankfully fixed it on console but it's still not as good as it should be

[flint vapor]

Sad thing about delta force is that the battlefield they used for inspiration was 2042

[red kiln]

I remember dayz arma2 and h1z1 before pubg

[tight prism]

Yeah lol. Tons of 2042

[red kiln]

And Minecraft

[civic herald]

I thought BL4 runs bad

[tight prism]

The system plays exactly like Battlefield ironically because it's all open class based. You can run Recon with any gun you want.

[proven yacht]

My 5090 without dlss on disagrees

[tight prism]

I wonder if they're ever going to change Battlefield 6 due to the pushback from fans

Because it seems like a lot of people are not happy about Open class being a thing.

[mint hatch]

Oh I cant run the thing without upscaling either. Game good, performance bad

[zenith wind]

They basically made a better 2042

[worn sigil]

They refuse to allow mk on console so I was keen for delta force and never really got into battlefield much but because of that I tried the beta and am hooked. Dgaf about delta now

[flint vapor]

They are operators on delta force

[pliant basalt]

I do play delta force as a recon haha

[tight prism]

Yeah

[proven yacht]

Im probably gonna wait to buy until they fix it, the fact that a 5090 cannot reach 60 fps at 4k ultra is incredible

[red kiln]

History its goated, gameplay its goated, the game is very good but performance its absolute dogshit, that game has no right performing that bad while looking worse than sons of the forest lol (with that artstile that should run on a potato)

[tidal current]

they already did by adding new playlists with actual classes

[mint hatch]

It actually looks like borderlands 3 with Minecraft shaders on lol

[frigid dune]

Assault has a smoke launcher I think. so ehhh bad change

[zinc oar]

Hey dad gamer irish [38] on ps5 looking to make friends to game with. Add me Sylarhero27 if interested!

[flint vapor]

Feels horrible on console though - I spent two hours messing with controls and it still felt as smooth as my step dads 7 o’clock shadow

[red kiln]

Good

[tidal current]

smoke launcher, ladders, spawn beacons, double primaries, grenades launchers...

assault is all about making paths for your team

[frigid dune]

theyt dont allow double launchers or ar's

[red kiln]

Why did they chosed 2042 😭 (they still managed to make a good game)

[frigid dune]

tht was taken out

[tidal current]

you can still pull a shotgun out your ass

[frigid dune]

shotgun got nerfed

[tidal current]

its still an extra shotgun m8

[proud moss]

2042 is a good game 🗿

[frigid dune]

but knowing bf shotguns are always op wht would be Op is if the SHORTY RETURNED

[zenith wind]

they probably figured it was an easier game to clone and improve on

[proud moss]

(waiting for insults)

[red kiln]

Wich is actually good but i would still give back beacon to recon, or at least the huge and noisy infiltrator beacon.

[mint hatch]

The one specific one from the beta was nerfed, now we're gonna have Assaults whipping out a Saiga 12K with drum mags lmao

[red kiln]

Did you play first year?

[tidal current]

recon rn is just kinda useless

[proud moss]

yes

[red kiln]

Are you ragebaiting me?

[proud moss]

yes i am lmao, i still like it, especially now that ppl play it like intended

[mint hatch]

??? They can passively clear spots on themselves and have the only useful field ability being the UAV they can call in like 4 times per match

[red kiln]

The most fun ive had on 2042 was spawnkilling vehicles with c4drone on the first 3 months

[tidal current]

wow you can clear spots on yourself

[red kiln]

That manifesto spot was nasty, no vehicle was safe

[proud moss]

thats just being toxic lmao

[red kiln]

I just used the tools that dice gave to me

[flint vapor]

I eventually found fun in 2042 but the lack of friends playing it made it hard to stay - Even recently I just completed the free pass and it feels lonely playing the game

That free battle pass was slower that a week in the jail

[red kiln]

I never found fun in 2042 again, that Casper preorder skin reminds me of my bigest mistake to not refund it when i could

I still had fait it would be the greatest comeback on the history of gaming.........

[vital roost]

I can't wait for bf6, someone help me

[flint vapor]

Still my second biggest regret in gaming was preodering that game

[red kiln]

The first? Hardline?

[vital roost]

Hardline is decent

[mint hatch]

Hardline aka Detroit simulator

[red kiln]

Forstpoken?

[flint vapor]

No, downloading war thunder because my friend says it’s fun

[red kiln]

Tanki online>

[vital roost]

what is this supposed to mean

[red kiln]

Terrible game

[vital roost]

Hardline is a better version of bf4 with a lot of fun gamemodes

[regal fox]

Hello if i played the beta on EA launcher, if i buy the game on steam will i still get my beta reward :)?

[red kiln]

Naaaaaaaaaa get out

[red kiln]

If you have both acounts linked

[regal fox]

Okay

[red kiln]

I like hardline but you cant say that

[flint vapor]

The rewards are tied to your ea account - Just make sure you sign in to the right account

[regal fox]

Thanks let's go link that shizz up

[vital roost]

People just hate it cause it's not 'warzone' but in fact it's the very same battlefield with a lot of unique stuff for the series

[flint vapor]

Honestly, BF4 burned me hard also, it is the second worse launch in BF history

[red kiln]

I have all the bf6 skins except the ps5 exclusive bs one

Arguably worse than 2042

[proud moss]

[red kiln]

The brazil servers dident work for 2 months we southamericans had to play with 400 ms on na 😭

[vital roost]

should be 120 ping max

[flint vapor]

I would argue the same but the lack of support compared to what bf4 got saves it but I still rate bf4 lower on my tier list

[red kiln]

12 years ago inthernet wasent good

[flint vapor]

Can’t wait for them to sell that to us in a 30 buck catch up

[vital roost]

I have already said it, but I want to repeat - I want a femboy skin in bf6

[red kiln]

Meh, i have my screanshoots of the time i got them, i will probably not use any of them bcs i like phantom ones more

[flint vapor]

You think they will add a cod skin?

[red kiln]

Do you realise it would just be lore bcs character will be in military gear?

Unless we go full cod

[flint vapor]

I can’t wait to see 47 bf4 engineers everywhere for two weeks

[red kiln]

Lmao true

[flint vapor]

The amount of free stuff we got between the betas and stuff is actually nice and the extra preorder stuff and phantom stuff

[whole forge]

Yes, the rewards are tied to the account, not to the platform

[flint vapor]

Will be jealous of the lab guys if they get any unique stuff

[hallow geode]

You undersestimate how many people didn't play 2042 for the skin. The fact that all the big cod streamers didn't do it, just imagine how many non-streamer cod players that didn't. You might see it here and there but remember a lot of people that'll be playing in the first couple weeks will be cod players

[sand spear]

If I see one medic sniping in bf6 I will refund

[red kiln]

Probably a weapon charm

[whole forge]

Personally I think they should get small unique cosmetics

[sand spear]

Anyone with me

[flint vapor]

Weapon sticker*

[red kiln]

Lmao

[mint hatch]

Me praying the SVCh doesnt get nerfed before release

[long bolt]

well, might as well just do it now 😉

[sand spear]

Same bro

[red kiln]

Whats that?

[flint vapor]

That’s fair as well, my boys a bf vets and love everything but won’t touch the free pass

[mint hatch]

60 damage battle rifle dropping to 50 minimum, 2 hit anywhere at any distance, available on all classes

[red kiln]

A yes i forgot the acronym

As a dmr player thats gona be nasty

[hallow geode]

2042 had to do some serious work on being a bad game to make ya boy not touch the free pass 🤣

[mint hatch]

No worries its called the SVK in BF6 but I refuse to use the fake gun names

[flint vapor]

He spent the big boy money on the cross gen bundle and he was stuck on the og xbox one

Boy was broken

[red kiln]

Licensing rights cant be that expensive FR 😭

[civic herald]

Assault is abt having everything a team needs

[white moss]

Can we rename our guns?

[red kiln]

I hope soo

[mint hatch]

Its actually for an even stupider reason. If someone shoots up a place then DICE cant be sued for "educating people on real life firearms"

[flint vapor]

They could add that feature because we can name out loadouts I’m sure

[red kiln]

Btw what ress you play on with the 3080?

[white moss]

I'm able to do 4k alright for the most part. Think it's upscaled.

[red kiln]

LMAOOOOO let me guess CALIFORNIA
(im not even a us cityzen )

[white moss]

Battlefield is just well optimized

[red kiln]

Ngreedia canceling 16gb 3080 was scummy

[white moss]

Why next upgrade if I do upgrade will be AMD

They don't shaft you on VRAM

[hallow geode]

OOF. 2042 on last gen sounds like torture

[mint hatch]

Just on everything else

(I love my 7900XTX dont hurt me)

[flint vapor]

Bro wanted to walk out his window

[white moss]

2042 should have never come out on last gen.

Same with Cyberpunk

[red kiln]

Next amd gen will be udna wich aparently will be big improvement on raster, new gen rt and ai cores and gddr7 vram (on 16 lanes not like ngreedia lame x8) 🤑

[flint vapor]

All he wants is the bf4 skin, I’m sure he can buy it later

[white moss]

Why I'm holding out till next gen. Gonna be a big upgrade

[red kiln]

An intel its also cooking if they can fix cpu overhead issues and drivers the next gen market gona be juicy

[white moss]

But man that 10 gig of VRAM is killing me

[hallow geode]

Oh theyll for sure sell those skins at some point. EA love money 💰

[mint hatch]

Nvidia will never make the mistake of making a good graphics card ever again

[forest monolith]

Still gonna be worse than nvidia

[red kiln]

Ngreedia put less vram on a 3080 than the 3060 lmaooooo

[mint hatch]

You will get the same amount of VRAM you did in 2011 and you will LIKE IT

[white moss]

Oh they can make good cards. But it costs thousands

[tall zinc]

it will also only be fsr5 exclusive so pick your poison

[red kiln]

Thats undeniable, however it will be unmatched on price to performance wich its the big selling point

[tall zinc]

there's no evidence for pricing yet anything else is speculation

[white moss]

Though for work you still have to use Nvidia

[red kiln]

Fsr4 already went open source, sure is not as good as it would be on 9000 seriws but you can already use it on the rest

Amd always go open source even if they dont like it lmao

[tall zinc]

you can't use it for anticheats, and that was a mistake anyways, they retracted it right after

[white moss]

I've used it with the 3080 with oblivion remaster

[wheat cairn]

Guys it’s getting close…

[tall zinc]

the upscaling penalty is demanding it is not easy to run the fsr4 int8 model on rdna3

[white moss]

Why the wanting to upgrade GPU. Just gotta hold out

[red kiln]

Yeah but i would argue most games that you would need fsr4 on older cards are probably single player ones soo just turn on flight mode, also fsr4 "little" for older cards will launch after 9000series get fsr "redstone"

[red kiln]

Eeeeeeeeee not really but if you value time then yes

[tall zinc]

they have said nothing about any plans for launching a "lite" model of FSR4, redstone is a initiative involving compute, they are separate things

[white moss]

Time is money.

[tall zinc]

and you will need FSR4 because fsr3 quality is horrible, battlefield 6 is one of the games using it

[boreal monolith]

It's not even really a dice issue its then gun manufactures themselves that dont want it

[mint hatch]

Time is BF6. 16 DAYS.

[red kiln]

I know they havent said anything but theres already rumors from trusted leakers

[tall zinc]

the guy spreading around those so called leaks is a fraud lol

[white moss]

Well since I have an Nvidia card I use DLSS upscaling. I only use FSR for framegen

[tall zinc]

upscaling penalties for the int8 model which was leaked is around 10ms on rdna2 depending on the game which is actually unusable

[arctic relic]

This might sound like I'm spoiled but only getting 200fps with a 9800x3D and 5070Ti isn't good. Frametimes are all over the place and the input is sluggish. Lots of x3D reports of that too, hopefully they fixed it for launch but judging by the latest labs videos, it doesn't look like it.

[tall zinc]

yeah that's what you said 200 FPS on that isn't anything to complain about

[red kiln]

The kind of problems i want to have

😭

[red kiln]

Bro just let us have hope 😭

[tall zinc]

./shrug

[white moss]

If you have an old AMD card then oof.

[red kiln]

580 still kicks ass

And i know people dont like it but vega cards can also offer good value

[arctic relic]

It's probably not but having a 360HZ monitor and getting 350+ frames on 2042, the graphics really aren't a generational uplift to warrant almost a 50% loss

[tall zinc]

just use frame gen

[arctic relic]

For a competitive multiplayer title? Yeah no

[red kiln]

Are you borderlands ceo?

[white moss]

Framegen is fine for me with gamepad. But it's gotta suck with KB/M

[tall zinc]

no.. you're at 200 frames of performance, there is no penalty for input for using it, or at the maximum, extremely minimal

borderlands can't even sustain 60 frames at 4k it's not the same

[red kiln]

But then you dont get the advantage of 360 fps input 😭

[glacial laurel]

Frametimes and input with x3d chips is already abysmal frame gen would make me kms probably

[white moss]

Ya you can say it's unreal that it doesn't

[tall zinc]

input delay difference between 240 and 360 is minimal to the point of not mattering anyways

[red kiln]

You not comp enought

[tall zinc]

you will not sustain that in any heavy map situation anyways so it doesn't matter

as soon as 3 tanks cross the screen it'll nosedive

[white moss]

Two tanks ok?

[tall zinc]

two probably fine

[glacial laurel]

I seen labs footage of a dude with 9800x3D and he was jumping from 160fps to 250fps in the video on mirak valley just like the beta

with all lowest settings

[tall zinc]

yeah battlefield is a CPU grinder always has been

any large map you are CPU SIM limited immediately

[abstract spear]

Good God how much longer

[white moss]

I figured I do fine if Im doing fine on 2042

[red kiln]

I just hope my 5500x3d can do 75fps constantly

[tall zinc]

I'd be praying

[glacial laurel]

Yeah I was getting like 100fps less on bf6 compared to 2042 lol

[sour copper]

but there's 16x the detail xD

[white moss]

Is framegen built in though?

[tall zinc]

its built into DLSS yes

it's all the more reason to use it if anything since everyone is cpu limited

[white moss]

Well it's a 3080

[red kiln]

But but but latency and artifacts 😭

[glacial laurel]

also I think DLSS implementation was off in the beta because having it on resulted in like a 50ms input delay added (without framegen)

[white moss]

I have to use FSR framegen if it has it

[tall zinc]

I can't remember if fsr FG is debinded I think it is from memory

[tall zinc]

?

[white moss]

Also could be older build so hopefully more optimizations with full release

[tall zinc]

there is one situation where it is not optimal and it's if you are at 4k otherwise it's optimal

[red kiln]

Why isent 4k optimal?

[tall zinc]

4k is GPU limited immediately

[civic herald]

If my brain has 50 ms imput delay having delay in game isnt do anything

[tall zinc]

3440x and below is CPU limited (mostly)

[red kiln]

Isent bf6 cpu limited on 4k too?

[tall zinc]

no, GPU almost entirely

[white moss]

So will I or will I not he ok with my specs for bf6? I did the beta on ps5

[red kiln]

5090?

[tall zinc]

5090 aswell

[red kiln]

Pro 6000?

[tall zinc]

nobody's tested Blackwell pro but yes probably lol

[olive basalt]

HONESTLY I hope they give ZERO reward to support clowns who tap-revive while under fire or out of cover/concealment like smoke, or any semblance of safety. That means no XP gain, no Mastery or daily challenge progress, no scoreboard score. Nothing!!! If you can't revive to full, then you shouldn't be reviving.

They won't, but I'm still gonna mald about it god dammit

[red kiln]

Fr????? With the amount of players i imagined someone would test it

[white moss]

I know I ain't doing 4k. But I'm hoping for 1440p at 60fps at something like medium settings

[tall zinc]

it's a $10k card dude

[red kiln]

Fair

[tall zinc]

achievable probably

80ish I think is what that combo gets

[red kiln]

Its 9060xt + 5500x3d enought for 1440p hight 75fps?

[tall zinc]

yes lol

[red kiln]

Im set 😎

But what about ultra?

[tall zinc]

just turn on FSR4 for better AA quality over native which is a artificial performance booster too

[sand spear]

Well they need you to get out of the fire if I am under fire I’m not charging up my defibs just to get you more health I just throw some at you but I understand I always try to but sometimes medics can’t

[white moss]

I think I only played one game where you had to have textures at ultra and that was RDR2. Difference is massive