007 First Light

[weary tusk]

amazing film grain off now just works 🙂 and bloom off amazing job @wicked wasp

[valid wadi]

I honestly like the bloom, it adds something to that game

[daring timber]

Guys what! 007 isn’t being detected by nvidia app!

[smoky lava]

I like bloom too tbh

[valid wadi]

yep xd

[smoky lava]

Just not how heavy it is in this game

[weary tusk]

so you leave it enabled to 100 ?

[foggy acorn]

Nvidia control panel - settings 3d - the game - on low latency

[valid wadi]

you can turn it to 50

[smoky lava]

Yea it’ll look good on that

[valid wadi]

yes, but nobody has to

[weary tusk]

low latency is something different then reflex or im wrong not sure/

[valid wadi]

It also is dependend of the scene, the desert for example, just overall looked like ass, while the indoor stuff is very impressive

[daring timber]

Is it same for everyone else here?! lol

[weary tusk]

you leave everything disbled in the post effects section i hope :)? or you like motion bluir and all the other blur effects?

[sullen rampart]

yeah, different sauce

[weary tusk]

just use nvdia profile inspector, i dont even have the nvia app, just the basic control panel and nvdia profile inspector haha

[valid wadi]

I have just chroma off, I would usually turn all off, but I like the look of post fx here. Also I need that motion blur to compensate for my low fps since I cant use framegen yet

[weary tusk]

ah okay i do understand 🙂

[valid wadi]

But it is just for that one game, usually its all off

[weary tusk]

whats youre gpu then and what resolution

[valid wadi]

5070ti at 4k

[weary tusk]

cant you use dlss performance or ultra performance to get more fps?

[valid wadi]

yes as I said, sometimes 60fps, sometimes 120+

[inner seal]

for some reason DLSS scaling is poor in this game, don't know why

[valid wadi]

yes true, thats a bug as well

fsr works fine but dlss not

nvidia sponsored title btw

[smoky lava]

Dlss seems to have a big performance cost

Like dlaa vs native is a pretty big performance gap

[sullen rampart]

I believe that's cause the game is using dlss 4.5

[smoky lava]

For whatever reason

[valid wadi]

no I overwrite it

[weary tusk]

You can change you're own scaling setting in npvi, so like 40% of you want to sit between performance and ultra performance

[foggy acorn]

what means; "not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway"? any problem? mods for testing? or nice to enjoy the game?

[valid wadi]

I just cant stand below 120fps gaming anymore

[valid wadi]

just play it

[blissful ledge]

it just means there could be a rare case where a visual effect has not been updated for renodx yet and will look weird

but the mod should cover 99% of the game and u prolly wont ever notice anything

[pliant sage]

This was the kind of artifacting on objects I was referring to with fg on when you pan the camera. It's only on very specific objects but it's there.

[foggy acorn]

with the mod?

[valid wadi]

yes

[foggy acorn]

thanks

[tranquil zenith]

oh jeez wth

that looks horrible lol

[pliant sage]

Yea lol

[foggy acorn]

👍

[pliant sage]

Goes away when you turn off fg

[valid wadi]

but thats common in like every game

[pliant sage]

It's not

[weary tusk]

Yes also noticed some artifacts with framegen outside of ui or brightness

Especially in the beginning of the game when you're into the offfoxe after the first mission

[pliant sage]

Definitely not with x2 fg

[valid wadi]

try to turn on 4x and looks at the head, ui too

[tranquil zenith]

I'll check for me when I get to that area but I have not seen anything like that

[valid wadi]

It is unusable

[daring timber]

Is 6x FG good guys?

[tranquil zenith]

ye I wouldn't be able to use it if it did that

[valid wadi]

can be

it is good in alan wake and cyberpunk, thats it

in 007 even 2x is bad

[daring timber]

Did you try in 007

[daring timber]

Why?

[valid wadi]

yea leave it off, unless they patch it soon

[valid wadi]

bugged in combination with hdr

[pliant sage]

Look at my video above. That's with x2 fg.

[tranquil zenith]

I feel like something has to be the cause of it though because I've been running x2 without issues like that

[pliant sage]

The fg implementation in this game is bad.

[foggy acorn]

oh really?

[pliant sage]

x2 fg does not normally produce this many artifacts.

[valid wadi]

yes hdr, hdr turns off after every restart

[pliant sage]

Or ghosting for that matter

[tranquil zenith]

I turn it on every time I launch the game

[daring timber]

That’s horrendous!

[valid wadi]

did you play mafia toc?

[daring timber]

Omg what is it called? Artifacting?

[pliant sage]

Nah

[daring timber]

I did just yesterday!

[valid wadi]

you might just have 007 vip

[valid wadi]

that has the worst fg implementation so far

[daring timber]

I played with 6x FG on mafia TOC 😓

[valid wadi]

how? wasnt that looking like crazy

[daring timber]

I didn’t catch anything that made the game look bad to my naked eye 😓

[valid wadi]

okay maybe they fixed it

[daring timber]

Like ghosting or what’s seen on the video he shared above

For me it was phenomenal

[valid wadi]

ghosting yes

[daring timber]

Yes seems like it I just played it yesterday

Finished the game

[valid wadi]

I tested it on release with 6x and Ive been seeing like 5 enzos next to each other when turning camera

[foggy acorn]

on OLED the high frames have less important due to instant pixel, atleast to me. Im playing 60fps this game, cinematic frames to PC players 😂

[daring timber]

Seems like I will have to wait a couple of days before I can play the game at its best state

[valid wadi]

you should just try it, it is good, just fg is broken

[daring timber]

😹😹😹

No it was nothing like that it’s working perfectly alright now

[valid wadi]

I see I see

[daring timber]

Ya I will once Musa releases final version 😉

[weary tusk]

Now with renoxd is good, without renoxd the film grain was what broke the hdr. Enable or disable broke hdr in both ways

[valid wadi]

Yea just to tell:
4k quality, rn I get 70 to 90 fps
4k performance 80 to 100 xd

it is the same

its just broken, gpu is at 100 all the time too

[tranquil zenith]

just seen something ingame that said vintage, from 2014

is 2014 really considered vintage now???

[valid wadi]

been 12 years

[tranquil zenith]

stop lying

tbh when seeing 2014 it does not feel that long ago, is 12 years enough to be vintage tho?

[valid wadi]

remember in 2014 when 2000s stuff was vintage?

same thing

[wicked wasp]

gonna add an option to use a fixed version of the vanilla film grain

[valid wadi]

will you put effort into the fg thing?

[hybrid bay]

this is on game devs to solve

[valid wadi]

I absolutly love how nvidia marketing shared that dlss4.5 and mfg trailer showing off 600fps gameplay off 007, using no hdr cause it does not work

[quaint oriole]

sure but they will never do it and it hangs together with hdr so maybe it can be fixed with reno

[hybrid bay]

Again, this can't be fixed on HDR's side. Yes, turning on HDR causes the problem - but the problem is in the FG code. Not HDR's

[foggy acorn]

genius!

[valid wadi]

like they care so much to put it everywhere, but never even test it?

[fresh lance]

holy shit perf on preset L is shit getting 60avg on balanced....

[foggy acorn]

wooow yes the highlights with the mod are awesome! are incorrect on vanilla HDR

[fresh lance]

guess I gotta wait for FG with reshade

[hybrid bay]

Nvidia's consumer division shrunk to the point that It would all likely fit into my 2 room flat, so I would bet my ass on the fact that no one tested HDR in any game like...ever since the beginning of 2025

[valid wadi]

yea cause most people wont even use it

I know so many who just fire up a game on pc and dont even check settigns

one friend of mine recently asked what that new dlss is

[foggy acorn]

and how many in AMD?

[hybrid bay]

likely bigger, quite honestly. Nvidia went all in on I writing the drivers and all that back in the end of 2024

AMD, if doing something similar, is playing catch-up with this "tactic" included

anyways, we are diverting from the topic of the actual addon

[smoky lava]

Shouldnt the game dev test it?

Especially considering they put in some effort into HDR this time

[foggy acorn]

interesting, Idk that, all with IA?

[smoky lava]

That it’s broken with film grain (which is on by default) and FG doesn’t work right with it is mind boggling to me

[prime moon]

it's broken in pure vanilla, without renodx?

[hybrid bay]

FG is a dll that Nvidia provides. Yes, the game engine has to be tweaked correctly to use it and likely it's on game devs to test it out, you're correct. But I still think Nvidia just poo'd somewhere honestly

[prime moon]

the warping is really odd, and i wonder if their motion vector UAV is corrupted. like they're not properly sequencing streamline resource availability (you're supposed to tell streamline if the resource is good forever, until next present, or only now)

[smoky lava]

It’s very artifact prone (if talking about fg)

[prime moon]

so they can tag the motion vector resource, and then reuse it too early

[smoky lava]

Only with HDR enabled

[foggy acorn]

And then GTA VI, the most expensive entertainment project in history, will be released, and HDR will be broken as it should be, haha. They use HDR as a marketing tool; the average gamer doesn't know what it is. People think it means better, more saturated colors

[wicked wasp]

ya

// Vanilla film grain uses the noise texture to push squared color values, fading near white.
float3 ApplyFilmGrain(float3 color, float2 uv) {
  if (cbCombinedChromaticAbberationRadialBlurFilmGrain.fNoiseIntensity <= 0.f) {
    return color;
  }

  float2 noise_uv = cbCombinedChromaticAbberationRadialBlurFilmGrain.vTilingNoiseTexture * uv
                    + cbCombinedChromaticAbberationRadialBlurFilmGrain.vRandOffset;
  float noise = srvNoise.SampleLevel(samplerPointWrapNode, noise_uv, 0.f);

  if (CUSTOM_GRAIN_TYPE == 2.f) {  // renodx perceptual grain
    color = renodx::color::gamma::DecodeSafe(color);
    color = renodx::effects::ApplyFilmGrain(
        color, uv, noise.x, CUSTOM_GRAIN_STRENGTH * 0.04f * cbCombinedChromaticAbberationRadialBlurFilmGrain.fNoiseIntensity);
    color = renodx::color::gamma::EncodeSafe(color);
    return color;
  } else if (CUSTOM_GRAIN_TYPE == 1.f) {  // vanilla grain with clamped mask
    float noise = srvNoise.SampleLevel(samplerPointWrapNode, noise_uv, 0.f);

    // linearize properly instead of approximating with square
    float3 color_linear = renodx::color::gamma::DecodeSafe(color, 2.2f);

    // Grain fades out as linear color approaches 1.
    // The saturate prevents negative grain behavior above 1 in HDR.
    float3 grain_mask = 1.f - saturate(color_linear);
    float3 grain = noise * grain_mask * 2.f;

    float3 blended_linear = lerp(color_linear, 1.f, grain);

    // Mask the full grain delta so highlights above 1 do not get boosted.
    float3 grain_delta = ((blended_linear * color_linear) - color_linear) * grain_mask;

    float grain_strength = cbCombinedChromaticAbberationRadialBlurFilmGrain.fNoiseIntensity * CUSTOM_GRAIN_STRENGTH;

    color_linear = grain_delta * grain_strength + color_linear;

    return renodx::color::gamma::EncodeSafe(color_linear, 2.2f);
  } else {  // vanilla grain (broken in hdr)

    float3 color_squared = color * color;

    // Grain fades out as color_squared approaches 1.
    // Above 1 this becomes negative, which is why this vanilla path breaks in HDR.
    float3 grain_mask = 1.f - color_squared;
    float3 grain = noise * grain_mask * 2.f;

    float3 blended_squared = lerp(color_squared, 1.f, grain);

    float grain_strength = cbCombinedChromaticAbberationRadialBlurFilmGrain.fNoiseIntensity * CUSTOM_GRAIN_STRENGTH;

    float3 grained_squared = ((blended_squared * color_squared) - color_squared) * grain_strength + color_squared;

    return sqrt(grained_squared);
  }
}

similar to arkham knight

[prime moon]

stolen i'm sure

[wicked wasp]

with the negative stuff

[prime moon]

lazy pow 2 for decode

which loses bt2020

color_squared is really "fast_linear"

easy fix is not to do 1.f - fast_linear, but peak/diffuse - fast_linear

because they're just saying distance from peak white, which isn't 1.0 in hdr

or, tbh, saturate it and call it day

highlights above 1.0 shouldn't have grain

[loud notch]

Spent so much time on Crimson Desert… are we deleting and rebuilding shader cache every time we update Reno?

[prime moon]

and sqrt is lazy gamma 2 as well

also explains why vanilla film grain goes past peak, they're reliant on SDR 1.0 clip

[wicked wasp]

ya

vanilla grain / fixed vanilla grain / no grain

[prime moon]

} else {  // vanilla grain; uses gamma-2 style square/sqrt path

    // Treat input color as gamma-space for the vanilla grain math.
    // Squaring approximates gamma-2 decode to linear.
    float3 linear_color = color * color;

    // Grain fades out as linear_color approaches 1.
    // Above 1 this becomes negative, which is why this vanilla path breaks in HDR.
    float3 grain_mask = 1.f - linear_color;
    float3 grain = noise * grain_mask * 2.f;

    float3 blended_linear = lerp(linear_color, 1.f, grain);

    float grain_strength =
        cbCombinedChromaticAbberationRadialBlurFilmGrain.fNoiseIntensity *
        CUSTOM_GRAIN_STRENGTH;

    float3 target_linear = blended_linear * linear_color;

    // Equivalent to:
    // ((blended_linear * linear_color) - linear_color) * grain_strength + linear_color
    float3 grained_linear = lerp(linear_color, target_linear, grain_strength);

    // Square root approximates gamma-2 encode back from linear.
    return sqrt(grained_linear);
}

reslopped

so it scales not adds

explains the boost

[tough granite]

Man I’m so annoyed the game turns off hdr each time you quit and play again. So fucking annoying lol

[valid wadi]

can someone try if vsync changes somethig for the fg

[tough granite]

What’s the issue with frame gen? I keep seeing it. I’m only using 2x

[harsh rivet]

CD had this issue too at launch..settings always resetting upon restart.

[shadow surge]

Effort into hdr? This game has the worst hdr calibration screen I’ve ever seen. Just a single paper white slider

[smoky lava]

That’s fine?

Sure a peak slider would be nice

But it reads EDID

[wicked wasp]

BETA BUILD 4

• set in game hdr on
• not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway
• haven’t messed with frame gen yet
• as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

Changes:

• added fixed vanilla film grain option
• adjusted tonemapper

[inner seal]

maybe its only the excessive specular highlights that are oversharp or have some artifact

I can't put my finger on it, but there is a subtle noise pattern that keeps bugging me

maybe bad texture UVs

its not static either and is more prominent on brighter things

[smoky lava]

Film grain on looked horrible on highlights

[inner seal]

have it off atm

[smoky lava]

Can’t tell much from phone in that picture but looks similarish?

I sort of see what u mean tho

Doesn’t look like the usual oversharpen artifacts to me however

[inner seal]

basically all of this moss is noisy

yeah I don't think this is sharpening

[smoky lava]

Yea ok that looks terrible

[inner seal]

looks like something is maybe half res and jittering

[smoky lava]

Hmm i noticed those patterns as well

Usually at a distance

[inner seal]

still present on DLAA

[smoky lava]

Yea doesn’t help

Native taa is the same

[inner seal]

reminds me of texture UV issue in avowed

[modern osprey]

looks like fucked up displacement map parameters to me

[inner seal]

yeah ok specular reflections also weird

wonder if any of it is VRS

[hybrid pendant]

Thank you, Musa

[slender island]

I want to start he game tonight. What’s consensus here, film grain on or off? Frame gen on or off?

With the mod obv

[wicked wasp]

film grain on

[strong mesa]

Frame gen looks really bad in a lot of specific situations with HDR on atm. With it off it seems fine.

[slender island]

Kk film grain on and will try frame gen for now and see how broken it really is with hdr on

Thanks

[drifting bluff]

My game crashes when using optiscalers fsr fg and hdr. Can't seem to fix it even with certain ini tweaks

[strong mesa]

Hmm that's strange. I'm using the built in Nvidia frame gen so not so sure there

[drifting bluff]

Yeah gotta be a injection issue and dll mismatch or something. Playing in SDR for now anyways looks fine

[slender island]

Will frame gen issues be fixable with Reno eventually or is it a dev issue?

[harsh rivet]

Hey what works?

[drifting bluff]

What issues are you having

[slender island]

lol didn’t start the game yet, just hearing there’s issues

[strong mesa]

HDR and frame gen on is causing certain objects (the walls in the MI6 lab, shipping containers, things with a lot of slits in them) to look all wobbly when moving the camera. It also made the car you chase in the first car chase sequence a blur. With HDR off its completely fine.

It's probably doing more and it took me 5 hours to notice this and now I can't unsee it. Waiting for it to be fixed lol

[harsh rivet]

frame gen off is no issues?

[tired rock]

none that i can notice that arent just game bugs

[harsh rivet]

do I just need the reshade.ini files same as any other game? if I copy those over from crimson desert it will work right?

and the beta build file from here

[slender island]

Yea I would be playing in hdr and frame gen on

[modest bluff]

sorry for noobie question, where do I find the renodx mod?

[wooden tinsel]

checked the pinned messages

[tired rock]

it should work yeah

[strong mesa]

Exactly when its working its class but those issues I mentioned now annoy me haha. Got too used to having HDR on and frame gen

[harsh rivet]

which are the files ? reshade.ini and reshadepreset.ini..only these two rigfht

[modest bluff]

must be blind dont see that icon

[tired rock]

there is also a dxgi.dll file

[harsh rivet]

oh

[wooden tinsel]

you need to open the post in full view, but here's the latest build as well: #1499664181170012181 message

[slender island]

So yea I was wondering if those issues were fixable through Reno (when Musa gets to it) or if it looks like it’s a dev issue

[harsh rivet]

yea got it, only those 3 right

[tired rock]

i think so

[modest bluff]

thank you now i see it

[strong mesa]

Hopefully Musa can. I know they haven't tried FG yet based of their notes for the addon. I doubt the devs will fix it. If this is still going on when the path tracing update is out then I feel a lot more people will notice and it will need fixing desperately.

[modest bluff]

any other files besides the addon.64? disabled the 2 options and enabled hdr

still looks greyed out at least in the intro outside in the rain

really just think its this outside area lol

indoors looks better

[harsh rivet]

what values do I use?

[wicked wasp]

what were people saying about fg being bad

i'm not noticing more ghosting than usual

[tranquil zenith]

damnit I brute forced a puzzle in the game on first try without looking at what the puzzle even was

I just clicked 3 random things and it was solved

[harsh rivet]

they have vsync enabled probably coz this game does not turn off vsync if u enable frame gen

[tranquil zenith]

yeah I'm not getting bad ghosting on anything but for some people it's apparently ghosting so bad that they can't even use it

[harsh rivet]

@wicked wasp can u tell the recommended values?

[tranquil zenith]

but people getting different results on this game seems pretty common lmao

film grain for me had an opposite effect on peak brightness compared to some other people, the brightness slider ingame was giving opposite results

[vestal dragon]

UI elements are the worst part

[tranquil zenith]

I've checked my UI in a bunch of places with different things behind it and I cannot get it to ghost anywhere

[west rune]

Works out of the box with fg for me as well

[tranquil zenith]

gotta love PC gaming with all the different setups and results lol

[strong mesa]

HDR on with frame gen. Certain areas like the wall in clothes bit of the mi6 lab or the shipping containers later on in the pirate city have a pretty noticeable blurry artefactting effect. Not there without HDR

And before anyone says about vsync etc. it's off at driver level

[tranquil zenith]

it's somewhat weird to me that HDR has such a different effect with FG compared to SDR for some people

[strong mesa]

It took me 5 hours of gameplay with fg and HDR to even notice these things

But now I can't unsee it

[brisk needle]

For me it's the most noticeable when using the watch, the 4 dots ghost all over the place, same with subtitles, it's usually not this bad in other games that's for sure

[tranquil zenith]

seems someone made a mod that lets you turn off depth of field :o

[strong mesa]

Are you able to go to the clothing section of the mi6 lab? The wall in there acts crazy when moving the camera too

[tranquil zenith]

they made it hotkey toggles though so not rly a fan of that

idk but that image on the right looks a lot worse to me lol... that's with the mod

[brisk needle]

I dont think I can go in there but there are some doors there were there's a huuuge trail behind Bond when moving around, but that happens with FG Off aswell

[brisk needle]

eww what the hell, who would use that 😭

[tranquil zenith]

it has a bunch of options, I'm genuinely only interested in the depth of field toggle, I don't really want the mod with all the other stuff

it literally just uses reshade

[brisk needle]

ahh i see

[tranquil zenith]

so that image is with the FOG/VOLUMETRIC LIGHT toggle

[strong mesa]

Ah yeah that's normal I think a side effect of ray tracing?. I'm noticing it gets really bad on like walls with slits in them etc. like blotchy blurry artefactting with camera moves. There's also a car chase sequence where the escaping car turns into a blur. Doesn't happen with HDR off and fg on.

[brisk needle]

yea its a bit distracting, thankfully didnt notice it that often though. I just finished that sequence, but I have HDR on and fg off and I dont think i got that blur effect

[strong mesa]

Makes sense HDR on and fg off works fine. Its both being on causing issues

[silk slate]

wait is this released or nah

im new here idk how to check

[tranquil zenith]

check the pinned messages

[silk slate]

inside this thread?

[tranquil zenith]

yepp

[silk slate]

found it

thanks

[wicked wasp]

Game and ui brightness are preference

[tranquil zenith]

it's still a beta build but it's a nice improvement over vanilla

[wicked wasp]

Peak at whatever your display is capable of

Rest at default

[tranquil zenith]

Musa do you usually put your peak at your 10% or 1% peak

[wicked wasp]

Ya I noticed usual rt smear and ghosting when walking in front of reflective surfaces without fg

Anyway game doesn’t give me anything to use with fg

Like unreal has a shader that has the ui alpha in it

That you can output and then fg can use that variable

Nothing like that here

[prime moon]

i'd guess it's a broken UAV

[strong mesa]

Hopefully the devs fix the FG stuff. HDR mod looks fantastic though

[wicked wasp]

@inner seal did you see that grid pattern that shows on skin when moving the camera

[modest bluff]

not sure if I can discuss here but has anyone tried the ultrawide cutscenes fix on nexus mods?

[prime moon]

some math that only happens on HDR and the math is bugged

[wicked wasp]

the final output shader has 2 uavs but both are just the final output

the final shader only has the combined scene and ui in gamma space as an srv

so its not like you can output scene with and without ui

[prime moon]

or who knows actually, because if they do float textures they can go over 1.0 and start getting negative values

[wicked wasp]

wtf

dlss balanced looks way worse than performance

it smears to shit

what preset is it using for each

[tranquil zenith]

isn't there a way to put the preset on the screen

[clever tapir]

Nvidia overlay or display commander

[wicked wasp]

i'll try l or m when i get to actually playing

[tepid mortar]

Normally is:
K - Quality / Balanced
M - Performance
L - Ultra Performance

[tranquil zenith]

I just force M for quality

[harsh rivet]

same M for quality

pls suggest recommended values

[tepid mortar]

In my opinion M performance looks on par or a tiny better than K quality. So it will look better than K balanced

[tranquil zenith]

K always ghosted a lot for me and looked weird in a lot of games

[harsh rivet]

apart from that what should be the values?

[tranquil zenith]

in assassin's creed with K, there was a small waterfall and it literally looked like the water was streaming backwards lmao all smeared out

[harsh rivet]

can you share?

[tranquil zenith]

all the other sliders you could pretty much leave at what they're set to

[tepid mortar]

When the new models launched I saw a lot of pictures comparing them and started using M performance for max quality/performance

[tranquil zenith]

so if you adjust your peak and your game/ui brightness, you don't really have to touch the rest

[clever tapir]

I am using preset K on DLAA with RCAS set at 0.100

[harsh rivet]

sharpness? rcas what?

[inner seal]

its all over the place

[wicked wasp]

ya its on everything

[wicked wasp]

there is no should. I like 100 in a dark room

[inner seal]

its really annoying, seems to somewhat equally be on every surface

just more prominent on bright

they really skimped out on graphics in the name of optimization

[wicked wasp]

bloom on / off

[vestal dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-16362445421478761717

[tranquil zenith]

I do like some bloom if it's not too insane

[inner seal]

my eyes were incredibly strained in the intro between the fog, bloom, and intensity of certain lights, and the grid pattern

[harsh rivet]

I think they saved it for later when they release PT and RR

[clever tapir]

Iilium rcas. Shaprness value at 0.100

[inner seal]

eh

[harsh rivet]

[inner seal]

stop making epic settings where everything is half res or lower, low res textures, etc etc

[harsh rivet]

Crimson desert

Now 007

[inner seal]

mb after getting decomp working on all the shaders I can try to figure out what is causing the grid pattern

@unique vine

[sudden kraken]

Wait i think musa figured out the tech for creating a good discord mod thread thumbnail lol

kofi and steam link

[clever tapir]

whats the recommended bloom value? I feel like removing 0 completely removes added washed out ambience. I dont wanna loose light details tho

[wicked wasp]

100

I don't mind it

[blissful ledge]

guys do u know why my hdr is disabled every time i boot the game

i even tried manually turning it on in the registry

[clever tapir]

known bug

[coarse dagger]

Sorry if its already answered in the thread, couldn't find it anywhere. Is Reno working good with DLSS FG? Its not breaking anything right?

[north cargo]

Search "frame gen" without the quotes, you will have your info..

[robust venture]

reno isn't breaking it, but hdr and frame gen in general are broken together

[frozen nebula]

Got any before/after of the updated tonemapper?

[wicked wasp]

no

but highlights aren't nearly as jacked up

[frozen nebula]

Good

[wicked wasp]

like if a scene in sdr is avg 30 nits

[frozen nebula]

I played a few missions last night

[wicked wasp]

its not gonna be like 50 nits in hdr

[frozen nebula]

So, will be able to get a nice comparison going with mod.

Don't plan on replaying same missions, but the jacked up shit is easily noticeable.

[frozen nebula]

Wasn't that mostly grain's doing?

Or its own TM was also culprit of it?

[wicked wasp]

well I had already replaced the grain

its an sdr tm and the way I was upgrading it to hdr is a little different

[frozen nebula]

Right, so this is you just telling me vanilla TM and updated TM difference.

Right, gotcha.

[wicked wasp]

i'm blending back towards sdr now

and I'm gonna increase the blending strength now

[frozen nebula]

[wicked wasp]

1000 peak
0 blend strength vs 88

last build was 80 strength

[frozen nebula]

Beautiful.

Driving in the game was surprisingly well done.

Expected it to be really choppy/bad.

[wicked wasp]

ya very easy to control

but doesn't feel unnatural

[frozen nebula]

Yeah

[wicked wasp]

I suck shit at racing games and this felt enjoyable

[frozen nebula]

It's a good blend, cause it's going to be only few segments of driving.

[wicked wasp]

tried playing forza and it was ass

[frozen nebula]

Ass as in you couldn't win a race, or just couldn't vibe with it?

I'm like that with fighting games now, idk what happened, used to be very good back in the day.

But now I found myself struggling to even finish a tutorial ...

[wicked wasp]

can't do shit

slowing down too much doesn't feel fun

so i just crash

[frozen nebula]

Forza is quite possibly the most accessible racing game, it has a mode for disabled people where you press and hold the trigger, and it'll drive the car, take turns auto etc.

And you win the race, too.

[frozen nebula]

Using controller?

[inland birch]

first crash 4.2 hours in

during a cutscene

[robust venture]

between 03 and 04?

that happened to me too, only time.

[obsidian dock]

does HDR mod works with nvida frame generation

[frozen nebula]

With mod, or without?

[inland birch]

same

with mod

it worked fine the second time

[north cargo]

#1499664181170012181 message

https://www.reddit.com/r/007FirstLight/comments/1toyfm5/dlss_frame_generation_hdr_issue_on_pc/

[inland birch]

its not that fucked for me

[robust venture]

Without, happened before I used mod

[robust venture]

Yeah I played for hours after without a crash.

[frozen nebula]

Thanks

[wicked wasp]

ya

always the blues that are cooked

vanilla / renodx

[west totem]

new here, i'm wondering where can i find the renodx mod file for 007?(sorry for my bad english

[frozen nebula]

Pinned posts.

[west totem]

thank you!

[tardy wolf]

do we need to disable generic depth and effect runtime sync like in crimson desert

[wicked wasp]

it's not necessarily needed but they're known to cause lag for some people

so if you're not using them just turn them off

[smoky lava]

Reno can look quite different
Vanilla/Reno

[wicked wasp]

working on the purist tonemap type

messed up the lms gamma correction

[clever tapir]

with the latest build?

[wicked wasp]

it was off before also

just different saturation/contrast

[frozen nebula]

Expected in the next beta?

[clever tapir]

Deepfried/nexus preset when

[shadow surge]

should we be leaving the in game hdr brightness at default 250?

[clever tapir]

Doesnt matter with reno. Its overridden

[shadow surge]

ty!

[harsh rivet]

as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

how to do this?

[clever tapir]

Untick their checkboxes

[harsh rivet]

i don't have no addons installed, i selected none when installing itself

[clever tapir]

Check reshade addon tab. Should be there by default even if did not install addons

[harsh rivet]

okay done

[wicked wasp]

BETA BUILD 5

• set in game hdr on
• not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway
• as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

Changes:

• adjusted tonemapping
• added purist tonemap type

[restive tree]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[frozen nebula]

We can’t hide the HUD in the game, right?

Tried looking for an option in settings and no bueno.

[honest terrace]

think i saw a nexus mod for that

[frozen nebula]

Yeah, got it. But it seems to hang the game, rip.

[timber tendon]

there is black crush on S95F and G5 etc. Other problems probably if you google them, but if you don't notice that's good b/c it means don't worry about it (unless you wnat to experiement with 120hz mode to see if you like it better)

[frozen nebula]

@wicked wasp if you rush the tutorial missions and get to the nightclub one, you’ll have lots of environment to play around and test it in.

It’s not far, basically 30-40mins from where you are (car scene), maybe even less.

[timber tendon]

thanks for including the purist mode!

[sinful flint]

I am very sad that PT isn't out on launch

[timber tendon]

does the purist mode fix the skin tones being too saturated or need enhanced for that

[lyric furnace]

You can adjust this with the LUT strength

[lyric furnace]

I have S95C, should I be staying at 120hz over 144hz? 👀 I’d give up the extra frames for colour

S90C*

[timber tendon]

what does LUT strength do in layman's terms

[timber tendon]

yeah all modern TVs are natively 120hz

that's what test patterns run at

[wooden tinsel]

a new better mod released for that, use this:
https://www.nexusmods.com/007firstlight/mods/19

[tardy lintel]

Check out nexus mods there is a reshade mod

[strong mesa]

This is the exact thing I've been talking about. I don't think it's that bad for me but definitely doing it in certain areas/objects

[fresh lance]

any noticable differences between preset A and B FG?

[wooden tinsel]

preset B should help with the UI artifacts and I saw a big improvement in mafia the old country

[fresh lance]

curious about this game since every game acts differently

[vernal harbor]

has anyone noticed the HDR tends to be a bit off, like the oranges in the opening level seem overdone and the HDR in general is just meh

oh wow there is already a beta for the HDR mod, you guys/gals are incredible

[tough granite]

yes the game is very much like kane and lynch and hitman absolution for that, its on purpose

honestly its more kane and lynch than hitman

https://www.nexusmods.com/007firstlight/mods/12

THANK FUCK

[gray stirrup]

Man i wish i checked the discord, RenoDX to the rescue again.

[mellow token]

i try using this mod and it changes my fov with it as well lmaoo

[tough granite]

What the fuck lol

Like back to default?

I didn’t change mine so might be ok here lol

[limpid lantern]

They should start hiring Reno people and pay them i donno a million bucks to implement hdr before the game comes out

[mellow token]

no back to modded fov, i tried it and didnt like it so i went back to default package file, but when i try the skip intro it just changes it back

[signal sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-austin-powers-evil-one-gif-20825656

[vernal harbor]

I wonder why so many games ship with broken HDR, I wonder if it's because the devs use crappy monitors not capable of proper black levels

[signal sinew]

proper hdr monitors are a fraction of market

who gives a shiet about that small group

[limpid lantern]

Exactly!

[limpid lantern]

They aren't knowledgeable or there isn't enough time because god knows Devs needs to be under a time crunch 247

I heard thats how you get the best games

[vernal harbor]

PC gaming is cooked, between terrible releases with awful performance and optimisation, mass firing inside the industry and the insane hardware prices, I have been a pc gamer since my intel 75mhz cpu and I genuinely feel this is the worst it's even been

[limpid lantern]

I thought it couldn't get worse than the mining boom

Now I don't think anymore for fear of what could happen

[vernal harbor]

The only time I feel releases were worse was when we were getting 30fps locked xbox 360 ports

[limpid lantern]

This could be what we look back to as the best time

[vernal harbor]

But at least then we didn't have the prices we do now

[tough granite]

im confused, pretty sure every monitor and tv that isnt some cheap piece of shit has HDR

and most monitors are trash tbh

[vernal harbor]

Yeah but there is hdr and then there is HDR

[tough granite]

they are cheap tvs

and they only focus on high refresh rates, thats it

[modern osprey]

watching IO's vidoc and I didn't see any reference monitor lol. I think the last time I saw one used in a game context was Kojima Productions' Asus ProArt monitors

[tough granite]

the quality isnt there with most gaming monitors

[modern osprey]

And even they fucked up their HDR implementation

[tough granite]

not just HDR but image quality in general

[vernal harbor]

I realise I am in the minority because I had my home cinema professionally calibrated and my TV was the single most accurate one he had ever seen outside of professional monitors used by film and tv studios and even then it was close

But most people just don't care, same with fps performance

A mate of mine bought a 9800x3d and a 5070ti but refuses to replace his 1080p 60hz lcd and it blows my mind

[modest bluff]

game looks great indoors in areas. the worse has been the intro outside in thr night rain. not even the mod made it look good

[inner seal]

friend of mine has a 5090 and 1080p

[quaint oriole]

is it better to turn off film grain in game when using reno?

[signal sinew]

tuning down bloom to 50 makes game look much better

hello colors

[clever tapir]

I always turn off film grain in-game and in reno. I prefer cleaner image. But if you like film grain, then turn off in-game and use reno's

[clever tapir]

Try 25

[quaint oriole]

I mean specifically for this game because there was some issue with highlights when using filmgrain and idk if that still applies with reno

[clever tapir]

Reno's vanilla (fixed) film grain works. If you like film grain that is

[proven ingot]

if you want to use reno film grain, you also need to turn it on in game options. if you want it off, just turn it off in game or reno slider to 0

[quaint oriole]

I always thought reno had its own film grain so it wouldnt be necessary to have ingame film grain on. Or is this rule just for this game

[restive mica]

so like, why is hdr done so badly so often

[valid wadi]

cause most people wont use it

[inner seal]

some bad practices got adopted in the industry that devs just kind of end up blindly implementing

and also some stuff about doing things similar to movies that doesnt really work for games

[vernal harbor]

I would say HDR in movies is also frequently wrong

[signal sinew]

yeah even better, also with bloom down ghosting seems to be much better

[signal sinew]

no friend of mine would do such blasphemy

[signal sinew]

turn down bloom

[tough granite]

The load times after dying are so fucking bad holy shit

[modest bluff]

will do when i get home. will try 25

[signal sinew]

git gud 😄

[tough granite]

For sure but damn

@wicked wasp I had HDR code pop up on my screen when I got hit by a flashbang. I’ll see if I can get a shot of it

It said things like HDR parameters etc with numbers

lol took a shot with my phone lol

All blurry

Let’s see how the screenshot turned out

Nvm got it

There you go

Probably just forgot to hide it. This is when you get hit with a flashbang

[desert badge]

kek had it happen just now

[signal sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/toasty-mortalkombat-gif-4822629

[tough granite]

lol

[restive mica]

i just had this pop up randomly mid gameplay

[tough granite]

It was a flashbang

Probably didn’t get hit with it but it got used

[restive mica]

yeah it was a flashbang

in a cutscene

but the thing only appeared after the cutscene

[remote idol]

Toasty

[tough granite]

This game is so fucking good

Fantastic story and well written characters and good dialogue

Not easy to get in games lol

[vestal dragon]

rare thing these days. specially dialogues

[signal sinew]

yeah, if this is waht hitman is?

if yes I have been missing out

[inner seal]

anyone else get insane reflection artifacts sometimes

[signal sinew]

ou yeah

hoping for you to fix it 😄

[inner seal]

like, the blinding type where its just mega fucked

[signal sinew]

or some sparkling shit

[inner seal]

ye

[uneven stone]

I did not test it out, but I am wondering: Is the HDR smearing/flickering also present without using Reno Beta Build 5 and only the "ingame HDR" implementation ?

[signal sinew]

it is on native hdr also, but when i set bloom to 25 it looks much cleaner

[tough granite]

Yeah like fizzle?

[neon frost]

with renodx on the ingame slider on the hdr config screen does nothing right?

[tough granite]

Correct

[modern osprey]

so i wasnt crazy #1499664181170012181 message

[tough granite]

You’re not crazy! Hahaha we got proof now

[inner seal]

not just that, but a couple times I have gotten cases where something completely breaks and causes wild rendering artifacts at max intensity

[lyric furnace]

It’s one of the settings in the RenoDX menu in Reshade once you install it

[lyric furnace]

Yeah that’s what I thought, but my research tells me that there should be no loss in PQ up to 144. VRR/HDR10+ runs the full range over HDMI.

[inner seal]

LUT strength should be something like the weight of the base game LUT

[tough granite]

Oh is this the hdr and frame gen thing? Like full screen warping? With artifacts?

[wicked wasp]

Ya

[tough granite]

Ok awesome!

[lyric furnace]

Yeah it’s very strong in this game and contributed to the weird hue on some faces etc. It’s made worse by the radial blur that looks a bit like chromatic aberration (even with CR switched off). I ended up choosing artist intent and putting it back up to full but it will assist with the issue he had.

[inner seal]

nah not related

[tough granite]

Ah kk

[inner seal]

I had to turn blur off entirely, way too strong

[tough granite]

I turned off every one of those toggles from chromatic abberarion to blur etc lol

There is a depth of field you can’t turn off. But that shader toggle allows you to

[inner seal]

yeah they are quite poorly implemented

[tough granite]

It’s a lot of ps4 gen effects

The path tracing update should be white transformative for all this

[wicked wasp]

BETA BUILD 6

• set in game hdr on
• not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway
• as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

Changes:

• disable debug text

[tough granite]

Thanks Musa!

Just got to Vietnam. So beautiful and omg the music

Amazing here and the entire game music been so fucking good

[restive rivet]

Is there a guide on how to install this somewhere?

[tough granite]

Just copy and paste it into where reshade installs and just download and install reshade with add on support first

Make sure it’s with add on support or Reno won’t be recognized

[foggy acorn]

What is debug text? And what affects? 👀

[tranquil zenith]

all I’ve had is some shimmering in reflections but nothing crazy

[drowsy mirage]

Thanks Musa!!
Is it in a state, that I can use it without compromise and without worrying about messing with the settings or should I wait a little longer for musa to cook some more?

[thorn wigeon]

Once again I have that glitch when the image gets distorted with DLSS FG + HDR 🙄

[strong mesa]

Yeah not sure this mod will ever fix that. The devs will need to fix it. I think best we can do is raise it as a ticket with them to get attention on it

[thorn wigeon]

It's always more noticeable on the grid

[strong mesa]

Yeah grid like things like shipping containers or a section of the MI6 lab

[restive mica]

i got a lot of ghosting on elevator doors

not becuause of reno ofc

[strong mesa]

I think the ghosting is just ray tracing artefacts cus it happens with fg and HDR off

[thorn wigeon]

I don't get this glitch with HDR off

Only with HDR

[strong mesa]

Yeah HDR is causing it. Mod or no mod

I don't think the mod will ever be able to fix it either because of what Musa mentioned earlier

[restive mica]

the game has ray tracing?

[tepid mortar]

@wicked wasp i don’t know if is something you can change but every time i restart the game the renodx windows is detached from the reshade window. If you send more revisions

[strong mesa]

Pretty sure yeah

[modern osprey]

The game does not use ray tracing,everything is screen space

[neon fiber]

i dont think it has RT yet

it will eventually

[restive mica]

yeah its gonna get pt this summer

[strong mesa]

Pretty sure it uses RT currently, atleast lightly. They're implementing Path Tracing later on

[grizzled flicker]

Use FG is mandatory? I think this game produce already a respectable amount of fps and we don’t need it. Just asking

[lyric furnace]

It’s software RT

Like lumen

[restive mica]

yeah alright

[lyric furnace]

Because it’s easier to port

[strong mesa]

Yeah light RT lol

[restive mica]

nah, but i prefer using fg

[grizzled flicker]

FG is a plus if you start with a good frame rate (50-60). What’s yours?

[strong mesa]

Same, and HDR too 🙁

[restive mica]

like 90-100

then i use fg

[grizzled flicker]

Ok, IMO you can stay with off

[restive mica]

nah, i prefer it on

even if the game has some quite nasty artifacts

[strong mesa]

Yeah when its on and working goo, its pretty elite

The input delay is neglegable, especially for a singleplayer game

[restive mica]

i played it on controller anyway

[strong mesa]

same

[restive mica]

its so nice that all these new games have native dualsense support

sad that it didnt have gyro aim tho

[cyan igloo]

whats the consensus on film grain in game and in the reshade menu? can i turn them off?

[thorn wigeon]

there are some settings in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\IO Interactive\007 First Light

[hasty slate]

What's wrong with FG???

[restive mica]

more artifacty than usual and the hud is a mess

[thorn wigeon]

#1499664181170012181 message

[strong mesa]

On the shipping container here you can kinda see in the screenshot. Looks way worse in motion

https://www.reddit.com/r/007FirstLight/comments/1toyfm5/dlss_frame_generation_hdr_issue_on_pc/ in motion example. Way worse than anything I've seen but same issue

[lyric furnace]

The hud toggle mod I got from nexus removes a tonne of light sources and objects

[lyric furnace]

I got this too and had to turn FG off. I’m on a 5080 so high frames already.

[strong mesa]

I'm on a 4080 so get a good base fps too, I'm just too used to having FG on

[lyric furnace]

Works with steam input with gyro to mouse, but the game doesn’t handoff between mouse and joystick smoothly so if you don’t want full time gyro it’s a bit clunky 🙁

[lyric furnace]

Yeah same, I was agreeing, just preempting people suggesting low base frames as the reason lol

[restive mica]

it worked for me with ds4windows but it switched to keyboard icons and thats a bit of a problem in cutscenes if it happens

[lyric furnace]

That would be easy to fix with a mod

[strong mesa]

Oh yeah I know lol. Its just a bad FG implementation. Hopefully it gets fixed especially when PT arrives because it will be needed then

[restive mica]

yup, also im pretty sure the game just refuses to use preset b

not too sure tho

[inner seal]

game uses software RT with SDFs and voxels

for GI

[restive mica]

i dont think that explains the ghosting i saw still

[tough granite]

Weird haven’t seen this grid stuff

[restive mica]

cus i saw ghosting when bond was up against a quite specific shade of grey

and nowhere else did i see that exact ghosting

[strong mesa]

with fg on?

[restive mica]

yes

[strong mesa]

and hdr

[restive mica]

doubt it was fg

more like smearing

thtas the word

[strong mesa]

Yeah pretty sure thats FG and HDR

[restive mica]

then it would disappear for one frame and be there the next, which it didnt do

[strong mesa]

The grey kinda patterned lined walls in MI6 cause it

[restive mica]

nah not the ones im thinking of

elevator doors is where i saw it

[strong mesa]

Might still be the same cause just a different example

[restive mica]

yeah but it looked like lumen artifacts

course this game doesnt have lumen but

[strong mesa]

It does have lumen

[cyan igloo]

halp 💀

[inner seal]

you can turn them off

if you want to use perceptual then you need it on in game

[tired grove]

Hey 🙂 how do I download the renoDX file?

[thorn wigeon]

Also DS4Windows cannot provide haptic feedback (only regular rumble) and other DualSense features

[inner seal]

its glacier engine, but they did implement something similar to lumen

[cyan igloo]

im gonna try using preset L without FG

[restive mica]

does it use nrd?

the dll is there

[inner seal]

theres no actual raytracing in the context of what people think of as raytracing

NRD is only for actual hardware RT

[restive mica]

devs have done dumber things

[inner seal]

meh, they dont even have reflections to denoise yet

[restive mica]

like no fsr 4 on launch 💀 not very smart

[inner seal]

you cant really use NRD on software RT style GI anyways

[restive mica]

yeah they just render everything twice right?

or ssr

[spice pecan]

I have enough games on my backlog to survive crysis stage.

[inner seal]

its SSR and planar reflections

and some awful specular nonsense

[restive mica]

for what?

[inner seal]

idk, whatever was covering everything in white highlights in the whole intro, I havent played further

[restive mica]

mm

theres also transparent reflections which might also be planar?

[proven needle]

it's probably there for the PT mode to toggle between nrd and rr

[tranquil zenith]

definitely seems like there is something really weird going on for some of you with HDR and FG. Which should be fixable since it's not everyone that has the issues

seeing peoples games just completely morph into a different game in these clips lmao

[proven needle]

nrd is agnostic and runs on amd

[thorn wigeon]

That's in slow motion

[restive mica]

probably, just weird that theyd include it so early

[tough granite]

Reshade doesn’t like to save my screenshot settings lately have to set it every game launch. Even ini edit didn’t work

[pliant sage]

I can't be bothered to wait on a fix for it. I'm in Vietnam already, so will likely finish the game tonight anyway.

[tranquil zenith]

nah like I've seen clips posted without slow motion and there's still some crazy stuff going on for them

[restive mica]

theres a fair bit left

[proven needle]

ppl in such a hurry to play worst version of the game at launch

[restive mica]

it aint that bad

[pliant sage]

I assumed so. I heard there was 10 chapters, so figured there was still a bit more, but should be able to finish tonight.

[restive mica]

depends on your time zone, if youre in mine then yeah absolutely

[pliant sage]

And the game is fine. Would I have liked PT? Yea, but I ain't waiting until Summer for that. Too many other games coming out this summer. I'll be busy with Black Flag Resynced in July anyway.

[zenith moss]

Im using optiscaler and using fsr4 and when bond gets hit, it shows an inverted normal map on the screen instead of a damage overlay, it changes the texture. So like I got hit and it was some characters face texture and it was such a cursed moment

[restive mica]

i hope resynced runs better than shadows

or atleast has less input delay

[pliant sage]

Specs seem very similar, so I think it'll run very similarly.

[restive mica]

damn it

[tranquil zenith]

I ain't waiting for PT, from experience I know my frames are always just too low when running PT and my game no longer feels smooth. I might as well look at screenshots if I wanna see pretty frames on the screen for longer than I'd like them to be lol

[restive mica]

not a fan of how shadows ran

(i couldve turned off rt but its not great without it)

[tranquil zenith]

on RE Requiem with PT on my game felt so stuttery, framegen got it up to like 90fps max I think which means my base frame rate was just too low

[restive mica]

this was just beautiful

[restive mica]

specs?

[tranquil zenith]

4080 and 7800x3d

1440p

[restive mica]

with dlaa?

[tranquil zenith]

usually dlss quality

model M tho

[restive mica]

there is no model m for rr

[tranquil zenith]

but I wouldn't lower other settings just to run PT or anything

[pliant sage]

Hmm that's weird. I run a 5070 Ti/9800x3d and got better performance than that. That shouldn't be the case. 5070 Ti and 4080 are farily similar in performance.

[tranquil zenith]

nah like, what I usually run is model M

[pliant sage]

I never dropped below 100 fps

1440p/dlss quality as well.

[tranquil zenith]

there was some issue with requiem I guess where the newest drivers had worse performance

[proven needle]

didnt affect everyone

[tranquil zenith]

I wouldn't know if it affected me, I didn't try any older drivers

I might hop back on this game when PT is out, see how it does tho

[restive mica]

iirc my power usage was unusually low on requiem

[tranquil zenith]

but like, enabling path tracing lost me 100 fps compared to not running it when using FG

[restive mica]

well yeah

[tranquil zenith]

so the 100fps jump was quite huge when it comes to how smooth the game feels

[restive mica]

pt is very much a tradeoff

[pliant sage]

PT was the only choice in Requiem imo. RT looked like shit due to horrible boiling without RR and just raster was even worse.

[restive mica]

nah i played raster

[tranquil zenith]

maybe if I had turned it on straight from the start and played with it, but now I had already played a bit at much higher fps

[restive mica]

was ok

[tranquil zenith]

so it instantly felt like a huge drop in smoothness

[pliant sage]

Requiem is also the type of game where PT really shines.

[restive mica]

i ran out of vram in requiem without pt, i woulda been cooked with it

[pliant sage]

[tranquil zenith]

I ran settings maxed out just no PT, still had a really good experience

did 3 playthroughs I think

with this game I'll see how the replayability is, if I wanna save some for later

[pliant sage]

I think the only games with better PT are Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk.

[inner seal]

cyberpunk

[tranquil zenith]

don't think I had it on for those either lol

[restive mica]

cyberpunk pt isnt that good

needs mods

[tranquil zenith]

last time I played Cyberpunk is a bit ago now. somewhere after the 2.0 update

[pliant sage]

I do use the ultra plus mod, so maybe that's why lmao

[tranquil zenith]

I do remember cyberpunk had a looooot of ghosting for me when I played it

[inner seal]

U+ is good but game still unplayable for me, too much noise/boiling everywhere

and ghosting

[tranquil zenith]

like, car lights, people at a distance, ghosting was so bad

[restive mica]

and just random reflecions that shouldnt be there

[tranquil zenith]

oh for Requiem, that first scene, with DLSS enabled the boiling or whatever you wanna call it was horrendous

[restive mica]

that appear and disappear whenever they feel like it

film grain moment i believe

[tranquil zenith]

everything was just shimmering and moving and yuck, I almost thought I had to play the game without it, until I got inside and it was gone

[inner seal]

this game though is trying to fight CD for worst/most annoying visuals, though its hard to be worse than CD

[restive mica]

this game... 007?

[inner seal]

ye

[pliant sage]

Crimson Desert is the worst game I think I've ever played when it comes to image stability

[tranquil zenith]

alright question

[inner seal]

indeed

[pliant sage]

It can look good at time, but holy shit can it look really really fucking bad

[tranquil zenith]

why is it that for this game my Reno window keeps launching disconnected

and I have to manually put it on the bar up top

is there a way to just keep it there

[restive mica]

save for the fg being particularly ass, there isnt too much wrong with it on my side

(and the soft shadows)

[pliant sage]

Usually moving it once fixes that for me.

[tranquil zenith]

every time I launch the game it's disconnected again

for other games that doesn't tend to be the case

it's not some huge issue ofc, very easy to just move it, but if there's some kind of setting or whatever I missed that'd be nice

[inner seal]

the instability of everything at least in intro, fog, the constant visible artifacts, grid pattern everywhere, subtle lines, all of the post processing is bad, pixelated reflection noise, poor specular, shadows... highlights are eye straining

that is what I noticed at least during intro

well, and 2016 texture quality

[restive mica]

hair rendering is pretty nice atleast

[tough granite]

looks damn good tho

art direction carries it

[restive mica]

technically a 2016 engine too isnt it?

[inner seal]

yeah

[tepid mortar]

Well, my game just shut down during a cutscene. Idk if is the game or game+mod but just noting here

[tranquil zenith]

just launched my game and I'm swapping between enhanced and purist and I'm seeing 0 difference, is that right or??

nvm was the area I was in, I see it now

[tranquil zenith]

jeez okay I'm at the first part where you actually gotta shoot a bunch and, I really gotta up the difficulty lol...

pretty sure I headshot literally every enemy before I even saw a bullet fly near me

[valid wadi]

Little reminder if you didnt know, preset M is broken ingame

Just for fun compared performance vs ultra performance and it is not even close

[valid wadi]

what are your reno settings?

[valid wadi]

okay okay

[tough granite]

For a large OLED LG set

Screenshots come out darker than it is

[grave panther]

when they release this for public ?

[tough granite]

Check pins

Been out a bunch

[quaint oriole]

Really I've been using that. What preset is best then?

[valid wadi]

I will now test it

[quaint oriole]

What is broken with it

[valid wadi]

maybe the old ones work fine, preset L obv looks best

[valid wadi]

it is shimmering a lot which is a bug

its gone entirely at preset L even at lower resolution

[tough granite]

TITS AND ASS SPOILERS

[tranquil zenith]

whats broken about it?

[valid wadi]

the vegetation shimmering is not an game issue, its the dlss

[tranquil zenith]

ah I've not really had crazy vegetation shimmering, mainly just some relfections of lights for example

will take a closer look tho could always switch to L

[tranquil zenith]

like in the lab, looks little worse on a static image

but it shimmers a bit there

2423 score on the shooting range 😎

[tough granite]

I love women who experiment. Because she’s a scientist

[restive mica]

the ao looking spasm is dlss?

[tranquil zenith]

why do some people want their fov to be well over 100 on a singleplayer 3rd person game

seeing images and the sides are so distorted

[inner seal]

I tried 110 and immediately went to 90

[tepid mortar]

What do you recommend? L performance / K quality? Or other?

[inner seal]

would not recommend dlss 4 especially with HDR

[tranquil zenith]

I've not tried 90, I'm using 70 atm

in first person I tend to use a lot higher

and singleplayer I don't mind it a lil lower

[valid wadi]

couldnt test yet, ovr is inactive ever since for some reason

[cyan token]

saturation is too high for me but the rest yes

[slow burrow]

hows reno beta with dlss on?

[thorn wigeon]

Especially when it's already at least 21:9

[kindred mantle]

Broken how? Been using M and there are no noticeable issues exclusive to M

[unborn wyvern]

Hello ! i have some issue anyone help me lmao ?😭

I have beta 6 and optiscaler 0.9.3 pre1

[tranquil zenith]

is there a screenshot of the game included somewhere in there lmao

[kindred mantle]

Does it work without optiscaler

[unborn wyvern]

I didn't try I removed renodx I will wait another update or retry without optiscaler later

[tepid mortar]

People that have problems with FG. Are you in newest driver?
I am not and have the problems with preset B

[quaint oriole]

I still have problems with newest driver and preset B

[brisk needle]

new patch apparently

[round slate]

hdr turning off not fixed according to know issues

[wicked wasp]

where are the patch notes

see if the film grain is fixed

or the film grain sliders stop working

would mean they fixed it

pumbo messaged a guy about it so they know at least

[pure gust]

Message over 2000 characters (2363/2000)

[frozen nebula]

Here, @wicked wasp

[valid wadi]

did someone still notice graphic improvements even tho they are not mentioned?

[wicked wasp]

need someone to test flashbangs

BETA BUILD 7

• set in game hdr on
• not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway
• as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

Changes:

• added support for more shaders

NEEDS TESTING:

• test if flashbangs appear ok or become overly bright

[tough granite]

Ooooo new version to test later

[valid wadi]

patch took solid 20 minutes on my m.2

[tough granite]

Made it a good way into chapter 9

Should finish it tonight!

Oh shit patch????

[cloud kraken]

spider thanks for your spoiler markings ❤️

[wicked wasp]

hopefully patch doesn't break the mod

[valid wadi]

yea just bugfixes mission related

ill test now

[tough granite]

DID THEY FIX THE HDR TOGGLE? 🙏

[valid wadi]

no

[tough granite]

Fuckkkkkkk

[valid wadi]

game crashed, trying again

[cloud kraken]

flashbang did its work a bit too good

[quaint oriole]

anyone know how to combine FOV mod with skip intro?

[vestal dragon]

1.5M sales in 24h 🔥

[cloud kraken]

• the preorders or are they in that?

[vestal dragon]

i guess is everything but idk

[tough granite]

Oh that’s good!

[snow lagoon]

They should work together just fine

[valid wadi]

@wicked wasp had another crash but now it seems to work fine

[wicked wasp]

was the crash during shader compilation

[valid wadi]

yes and the second one while loading save

[quaint oriole]

did you try it? they both use packagedefinion.txt so you can only use one

[timber tendon]

I know, I’m asking for what it’s doing , but I did use it and it fixes skin tones

[snow lagoon]

Yes, been using both together since they released. One of the mods says the text file is identical between the two so they are fully compatible

[quaint oriole]

ok will try again

[wicked wasp]

its the game's color grading

I wouldn't ever turn it off

for a first playthrough at least I recommend always 100

[valid wadi]

okay the other issues are just normaly broken still

[wicked wasp]

does every slider work

[valid wadi]

yes

[wicked wasp]

noice

[timber tendon]

If it works well that’s fine but on G5 and S95 and C series people do not recommend using 144hz, it is not native but overclocked

[timber tendon]

Is a fix incoming 🙂

[prime moon]

did you rebase, btw?

[cloud kraken]

For me it didn’t even recompile shaders with beta 7

[timber tendon]

Sales jumped 10% last year but the prices are a problem, I don’t know when that ends would almost require a recession if AI bubble pops

[cloud kraken]

zero crashes

But I’m pretty early game so don’t think I loaded the shades in 🙂

[valid wadi]

okay a bit weird but:
-hdr stays off after restart
-framegen stayed on
-image still looks hdr, reno is working
-fg is now working

[wicked wasp]

no

[drifting bluff]

I wonder if this game will add FSR fg

[valid wadi]

haha no

[quaint oriole]

in scenes with many npcs the game is incredibly cpu limited. I can only get barely 60fps without FG with my 5800x3d (I know its older but still). Have to use FG then its smooth but then have terrible ghosting together with HDR 🙁

[thorn wigeon]

Was FG fixed in update 1.0.1?

[valid wadi]

no

[robust venture]

It's even pushing my 9800x3d

[peak oracle]

i have a s90d.. whats wrong with 144hz?

[timber tendon]

Some of the issues on the TVs with 144hz issues are subtle so you have to directly compare 120hz modes in a dark scene. Black level crush is the main one

On G5 and S95F those modes look muddy

[peak oracle]

just from setting a different framerate cap?

[timber tendon]

No you’d have to go to Windows display adapter settings and change refresh rate

To 120

Flip back and forth

[peak oracle]

oh damm

i normally use nvidia app for my cap

[timber tendon]

It could be subtle but it’s documented on other models

[timber tendon]

Framerate cap is different than refresh rate

They don’t affect each other unless Vsync is on

You set refresh rate in windows settings

[peak oracle]

think i have that forced on in nvidia also, off in games

[timber tendon]

It’s a good idea to check it

Yes but the refresh rate will affect the Vsync

Just check your refresh in windows settings heh

It’s easy

If you have Vsync / Gsync on your framerate will be close to it

[peak oracle]

yeah

[timber tendon]

Yeah so 144

It could be worth trying 120hz in dark scenes to see

If your set gets the black crush too

S95F and G5 have it and other issues at 144

Also check if things are smoother at 120

[peak oracle]

not sure why peak brightness is 800

should be 1200 i think

[frozen nebula]

You can set your own in the mod.

This is showing 800 likely cause of some profile you created in past.

[valid wadi]

this game is so weird, been testing presets now, L looks only good at ultra performance, higher than that you get insane flickering, M doesnt work at all, K is very demanding and F seems to be good at quality, E for dlaa, almost same performance

they messed something up

[proven ingot]

not sure if it was the game update, but the game properly shows up in Nvidia app

[drifting pulsar]

@prime moon there's an achievement named after you in this game!

[mighty wind]

How's the game itself?

[valid wadi]

ggggreat

[mighty wind]

I'm so damn tempted but I've spent so much on games lately

[valid wadi]

get key for 50

worth, or wait fr pt update

[mighty wind]

Yeah might wait for that. Got mafia and some more Forza to get through

It does look cool though, and I prefer the more linear action approach compared to hitman

[valid wadi]

yea its not like hitman at all, people being just stupid

[robust venture]

well in a way I think it is, but it's way more accessible

[drifting pulsar]

It's very linear, extremely beautiful in places while not as much in others, gameplay kind of boring, it's as far away from hitman as it can be despite same devs and engine. Story ranges from outrageosly stupid to ok sometimes. With RenoDX it's beautiful enough to carry the rest of the game lol 😄

[robust venture]

A lot more options to tackle objective

Linear sure, but each open area can be handled in multiple ways

There is some replay value

[valid wadi]

boring?

[mighty wind]

The least I would hope for is an engaging story and gameplay

[robust venture]

well this game is a bond movie in a game

if you like bond, you should like this

[drifting pulsar]

of course personal opinion. Playin on max difficulty, zero challenge, everything on the rails. It feels like a movie more than a game.

[mighty wind]

Yup. It's why I should be patient and okay mafia first. Will scratch the same itch but with less gameplay

[robust venture]

I disagree a bit, but it isn't hard I can agree with

Mafia is awesome, runs like crap but that's also a movie turned game

mafia is very linear though

[mighty wind]

Sometimes I want to just hood forwards and switch my brain off

[robust venture]

absolutely, like I said it's awesome

[mighty wind]

Biggest issue with Mafia is that the cutscene pieces seems widely limited to like 74fps, even when set to unlimited

[drifting pulsar]

maybe that'll be engaging for you who knows! I was just expecting more from Hitman devs tbh. It's like Uncharted from people that never made uncharted before (to pinnacle like 4 was). But hats off for the first attempt, they did a very good try for this kind of game. So far from Hitman though unfortunately. Hitman is a pinnacle of non-linear sandbox in beautiful environments. Here environments are beautiful, no sandbox. Hitman story is meh though, but you dont' care about it there. Here it's not too bad, but sometimes breaks all immersion with stupidity - the first one being when in the beginning a tank / ifv whatever it's called shooting at them with high caliber explosive bullets they all dodge it, then a bike crashes into the tank, huge explosion from that, tank almost dead

[mighty wind]

I can't figure it out. My 5090 just chilling at 70% util

[robust venture]

interesting

it hsould be uncapped right?

[mighty wind]

Yeah

[drifting pulsar]

it's not bad tho don't get me wrong. I'd give it like a 7 overall, but with reno graphics / presentation a solid 9

[tepid mortar]

What is your bloom “sweat spot” guys? I fill like 100 is to much. But it’s good in certain scenarios

[robust venture]

I disagree there is no sandbox, they give you multiple ways to handle objectives, it's just not as deep as hitman

[robust venture]

I settled on 80, Musa said they left it at 100

there's also contrast sliders for highlights and shadows, I hadn't seen that before

[drifting pulsar]

it's no sandbox, just a few completely scripted ways to get to your goal. But yeah, I agree "completely linear" might be too strong of a word given that. But it has a linear soul that's for sure 🙂

[robust venture]

It is straightforward how about that lol

[peak oracle]

do we know when Path tracing update is coming?

[robust venture]

not linear but not tough to figure out the different pathing

[tepid mortar]

“Summer”

[peak oracle]

sigh

[robust venture]

It still looks good, but some glaring issues

[drifting pulsar]

Their bloom is kind of weird - sometimes it's just too much, sometimes not. I'd say the "perfect" sweet spot is different from scene to scene

[robust venture]

Gameplay and story are carrying it for me

[tepid mortar]

I feel the same. But there was a scene with multiple lamps that I said… no this is really too much

[tepid mortar]

I’m really liking this game. But I like linear games and I said to my mother when I was little that I wanted to be a secret agent 😁😂

[robust venture]

There are a lot of straightup linear sections for sure, everything in between the few open areas is very linear

very uncharted 4 like in that way, open areas and linear between

[wicked wasp]

too much blurple from lms

[tepid mortar]

If I go to play a open world and they put like 20 targets on the map I start to get pissed instantly

There’s games for everyone

[drifting pulsar]

I like linear too! I guess it just subverted my hitman expectations, I thought it'll be much more like it. But it's a very solid casual game

[robust venture]

I think that is exactly it, they built this for a more casual audience

[brisk needle]

why the fuck is ||shroud|| in the game 😭

[robust venture]

I have no idea what he looks like so if he is I never clocked it lol

[brisk needle]

hes a || streamer who was pro in cs:go, appears in mission 4 after you beat the people in the ring. the terrible voice acting made me realize it was him before his appearance lmao ||

[robust venture]

I know the name just don't think I've actually seen him. But good catch.

[proven ingot]

there's also ||jacksepticeye|| in the club mission at game start. Guy in the cloakroom.

[brisk needle]

lol I saw him, but somehow didnt recognize him, prolly because of the hair

[wicked wasp]

gonna get rid of enhanced

and instead modify purist's luminance option

so it'll just be renodx tonemapper

with scaling types as luminance and per channel

with per channel being the purist option

[valid wadi]

omg I found khaby lame

in the vietnam level

[brisk needle]

I also found ||dimitri vegas|| in the same mission 4, only recognized him because his voice acting is just as terrible as in MK11 😭 😭

ok to give him some credit, theres some improvement actually

[tranquil zenith]

they got a couple really random cameos lol

this game feels like I accidentally put on accessibility options

why is there just a line of paint leading to where you need to go with arrows and stuff

[inner seal]

the intro being covered in yellow signs