007 First Light

[tough granite]

On chapter 5 now!

[robust venture]

I aslo probably don't use it as much

[tough granite]

Seems to be 10 total chapters

So I’m about halfway there

[robust venture]

how many hours so far?

[tough granite]

Steam clock says 7ish hours

[robust venture]

nice

I was curious, good 12-15 hours

[tough granite]

Seems to be right based on the 12-15 hours people say

Yeah

Which is perfect for this type of game

Story is great so far

[quartz geyser]

how can you, without waiting for Reno 😁

[tough granite]

It’s so good

Reno plus path tracing in the future gonna be amazing

[robust venture]

yeah, I was really enjoying it and just powered through the awful hdr

[tough granite]

HDR isn’t too awful

[valid wadi]

are you using fg spiderman?

[sand night]

I'm playing at 4k too but only using DLSS the only way to not have problems is using preset L but it's so heavy lol

[robust venture]

I can't find a sweet spot, then again I forget that it doesn't auto turn on

[valid wadi]

yea true, it looks kinda bad

maybe wait for official release in the app

[quartz geyser]

what problems?

[valid wadi]

very noisy

[weary tusk]

It's oxygen leaking in from the edges. Pretty common for lg they don't seal their panels good. It's called delamination

Happens faster in a room where humidity is above 50%

[valid wadi]

fg is not working

[quartz geyser]

😨

[valid wadi]

They managed to 100% not include any hud

[sand night]

I tested K, L and M presets all of them have problems dealing with hair and some trail when moving

[robust venture]

oh no, stupid florida

[weary tusk]

Game looks great, but it does have hair and shadow flickering problems, sadly

[sand night]

Shadows have noise too but i think this is a game problem not related to nvidia

[valid wadi]

yup

[robust venture]

L helps but yeah it's not good regardless

[quartz geyser]

I only tried DLAA + FG and I think I have preset K forced in Nvidia Inspector. But didn't spot any issues

[weary tusk]

Yes sadly it is.

[valid wadi]

no artifacts? maybe my setup is broken

[sand night]

I tested briefly DLAA it does looks better but my gpu can't run that in 4k60fps

[kindred mantle]

saw people say there are issues with using fg and hdr together

[quartz geyser]

Nothing I could spot, no. Playing on 65" TV, usually I spot issues pretty easily

[weary tusk]

Nah framegen gives artifacts a lot in this game, but only when hdr is enabled for some weird reason

[neon frost]

probably not helping that ive been blowing smoke at it for 5 years lol

[sand night]

Do you have the shadow flickering and noise?

[valid wadi]

You are right, its gone now

[quartz geyser]

I didn't see any, only washed out HDR. Maybe I didnt look for it, need to check after work

[sand night]

Using ultra settings it's harder to spot but i can still see it

Besides that game looks pretty good

[valid wadi]

but it seems like only 2x fg is working fine at all haha

[weary tusk]

Weird right disabling hdr makes framegen good, enabling hdr framegen is bad 😂

[valid wadi]

wow nvidia sponsored btw

[weary tusk]

Never encountered this in any game hdr makes framegen artifact

[valid wadi]

no idea how all that is not a priority for devs

people rely heavily on that tech

[quartz geyser]

What kind of artufacts though? I swear I played with HDR+2xFG yesterday and didnt spot it

[valid wadi]

everywhere, character, hud,

[quartz geyser]

😨

[sand night]

film grain is enabled? it's having problems with hdr on

[valid wadi]

no

[robust venture]

hdr and fg have issues, smooth motion helps but has other issues and rtx hdr helps but sucks

[valid wadi]

I just play with rtx hdr now for some minutes, gotta go then and hope it is fixed by tomw

[weary tusk]

Smooth motion works better then framegen with hdr enabled?

[robust venture]

only for the artifacting on the hud

not there with smooth motion

[weary tusk]

Okay but what are the downsides with smooth motion then? Les sharper image?

[robust venture]

no, maybe the opposite? Does something weird to the hair

[weary tusk]

So you recommend playing with smooth motion over framegen until musa hopefully fixes it?

[valid wadi]

no, just turn off hdr

[robust venture]

no

[valid wadi]

rtx is not that bad, or dont play today

[robust venture]

I settled on just accepting the issues and am just using hdr and fg

everyones preference is dif

[weary tusk]

Okay I'm using no fg at this moment realy looked bad at some moments, getting 100 to 130 fps now with dlss quality 4k rtx 4090.

Also framegen in this game doesn't add to much frames, went from 115 to 140 or something with framegen

[robust venture]

i dont know what is wrong but without FG my 1% lows are awful

[weary tusk]

Ah haven't encountered this

[robust venture]

I probably just needed to restart the game, which I didn't bother doing

[weary tusk]

You see the same fg doesn't give much more fps in this game? Maybe only 30% or something

[robust venture]

yeah, lot of weird things with the game

[valid wadi]

I think a hotfix makes it

[weary tusk]

Normal fg atleast gives 60% more performance but not for this game haha

[limpid lantern]

for me it give a good amount of frames

[weary tusk]

It does but not like other games where it's 60%+ more fps

[limpid lantern]

It gave me 2x frames pretty much

[kindred mantle]

Yeah fg is fucked up with hdr just tested. But it's not always super obvious

[weary tusk]

Weird. For me only from 115 to 160 or something

On a 4090

[valid wadi]

I just use performance dlss now its fine

[limpid lantern]

I should recheck

[valid wadi]

120fps at 4k, no need for fg

[robust venture]

Yeah I need to retry that

[quartz geyser]

from 70+ to 120 locked (120hz TV) in 4K (5090) DLAA

[kindred mantle]

DLSS upscaling also doesn't give as much of an uplift as it should in this game for some reason

[limpid lantern]

I did have some issues without fg so that might be why

[weary tusk]

Looks good.

[quartz geyser]

yeah weird that it works differently for you

I feel like a crazy man reading all these issues I didnt encounter for some reason 😁

[robust venture]

If you don't ever notice do they even exist

[quartz geyser]

Yeah 😂 but I'm very sensitive to all of that, that's why I'm so surprised. Maybe forced K+DLAA fixes something for me

[inland birch]

I have noticed more fg artifacts in this game than others. It’s also maybe the worst UI ghosting I’ve ever seen on subtitles.

Basic stuff like the outline of characters heads and stuff is more visible than it normally is to me.

All of it ghosting related. If I’m not panning the camera is not visable at all

[valid wadi]

Did someone notice the low res textures that are there sometimes?

[robust venture]

Yes

[limpid lantern]

yes there are many of them

its an optimized game after all

[restive mica]

yeah its pretty disocclusion artifacty

[wicked wasp]

Beta build 1

• set in game hdr on
• pre rendered videos are broken so set the mod to off during the pre rendered video at the end of the intro mission
• not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway
• vanilla grain doesn't work, use perceptual
• haven’t messed with frame gen yet
• as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

[clever bloom]

Incredible, I’m testing this right away!! 😄 You’re a monster, Musa!

[regal condor]

what does test build means?

is it fine to use?

[wicked wasp]

Just need people to see if it works really

So far throughout the first mission it’s all one tonemap shader

The other ones seem unused

If the color grading sliders stop working then you know it’s a missing shader

[tough granite]

LETS GOOOOO

[wicked wasp]

Oh and see if pre rendered videos scale properly with game brightness

[frank violet]

is there a brightess you need to leave the game, or it doesn't matter?
also those fullscreen/radial blur, film grain and so on, matter here or not?

[wicked wasp]

In game settings don’t matter

They should all work

[regal condor]

you are talking as I knew anything about hdr lol

but thanks man, i will test it and give you my primitive impressions

[tough granite]

Basically means make sure cutscenes are a match for in game brightness

[restive mica]

game launches, thats a good sign

rebuilding shaders :(

[wicked wasp]

The pre rendered one at the end of the tutorial just needs to be checked if it scales by game brightness and not ui brightness

I’ll have to also look into the LUTs and see if they have raised blacks in them

Didn’t see anything in the LUTs at the start

[tough granite]

installing now!

[wicked wasp]

Forgot to add a slider for the bloom strength

[tough granite]

that would be good as the bloom is insane in this game lol

[valid wadi]

ingame hdr on or off?

[restive mica]

no raised blacks on my part, according to lilium's tool atleast

[weary tusk]

Is film grain fixed can I leave all those settings disabled and it diensr cap nits anymore?

And ingame hdr leave enabled and what to set brightness in game at?

Also it fixes framegen and hdr or not yet :)?

[regal condor]

Its compiling shaders again for me. I guess thats normal right?

[restive mica]

happened to me too

[unkempt forge]

Reading, please...

[rigid salmon]

on

[wicked wasp]

Ya those settings can be set to whatever. Haven’t checked frame gen yet

[restive mica]

default highlight saturation seems a bit low compared to the game's native hdr

[weary tusk]

Okay love, so it doesn't affect film hdr anymore.

Leave! Native hdr enabled in game and what brightness setting in game?

[regal condor]

@wicked wasp Musa is it too much to ask to turn on pathtracing for the game? Thanks in advanced

[valid wadi]

dude...

[wicked wasp]

Have to turn on spectral rendering first

[modern osprey]

dunno if the video is in HDR, but look at that brightness graph 😄

[regal condor]

Lol I am joking man. But seriously why is it not available at launch

[tough granite]

super small amount of users will use it, so no reason to delay the game for it, we are the 1%

[wicked wasp]

Ya leave hdr on and in game setting doesnt matter

[tough granite]

doom the dark ages, indiana jones, 007, etc

its even more work for the dev team, so let them cook as they need to

[regal condor]

They always do the same thing huh, they announce but its not at launch

[valid wadi]

tried twice now, game wont load up @wicked wasp

[modern osprey]

everything seems to work fine 🙂 highlights are much better than vanilla I feel

[wicked wasp]

Post reshade log

I’ll see when I get home

[timber tendon]

I heard you should only increase color depth to the point that it does not change it off of RGB. If it flips off of RGB in the box below that you are bandwidth constrained

[regal condor]

I am testing it and it works good for me.

[robust venture]

Fucking thank you musa

[modern osprey]

@wicked wasp I don't think the intro video works with Reno. Just played the first mission with it

[tough granite]

hrmm fine here

[timber tendon]

Someone said their 1% lows were much worse with DLSS L, could that be it

[tough granite]

thats a good thing

[wicked wasp]

Fuck

[tough flame]

Same thing happened chapter 2

[restive mica]

how do you mean? the game has an issue with it refusing to load up sometimes, is it just a black screen but you can hear the game in the background?

[tough granite]

oh turning HDR on crashed the game for me lol

[robust venture]

I'm using M, and it's only with FG off. Once I turn it on they are perfect.

[tough granite]

first time running reshade and reno for it

[valid wadi]

Yeah I think so, never had that before right after I installed reno

[wicked wasp]

I got crashes unmodded when trying to turn on hdr but only when I would flip back and forth between sdr and hdr multiple times

[tough granite]

Mine loads but crashed when I turn on hdr since it doesn’t leave it on in game every restarted

Trying again

Might just be that first run

No crash this time!!!

[robust venture]

yaaay

[tough granite]

In game brightness doesn’t work anymore. That’s normal?

Just making sure

[zinc fossil]

it's overridden

[wicked wasp]

Ya

[mellow token]

game is running but it feels a little more sluggish

before inputting reno game was smooth as butter, same fps now but choppy

[wicked wasp]

Oh

Disable the ReShade default addons

Generic depth and effect runtime sync

And restart

[modern osprey]

actually shocked at how similar reno can be to the vanilla HDR at points. i think you may be right that they used some of your hitman 3 logic

[mellow token]

trying it now

[wicked wasp]

It’s too much of a coincidence. Some of the code is conceptually really similar to an older version of the mod

[modern osprey]

are you guys planning on asking about this or are cool with it

[drifting pulsar]

@wicked wasp do you have a github branch with the source to study?

[wicked wasp]

It’s mit licensed so they can do whatever

[wicked wasp]

Forgot to upload before leaving the house

[zinc fossil]

They can technically clone renodx github repo and use AI to do their HDR implementation

wouldn't surprise me

[wicked wasp]

Idk when I’ll be back could be 2 hours could be 4

[mellow token]

seems too help so far thank you!

[modern osprey]

does require a notice though

[wicked wasp]

Not sure how copyrightable

[modern osprey]

but im not a lawyer and its cool that games are looking at reno code ngl

[wicked wasp]

Cause a lot of it is kind of common sense I feel

The biggest thing is they have a function that sort of resembles something we have in the repo called UpgradeToneMap()

[frozen nebula]

This was sort of always the goal anyway.

Fix it in a way that devs can actually use it from get go, good practices, etc.

[tough granite]

alright first settings adustment

and test

[frozen nebula]

Albeit, common courtesy is a thing so credit would've been nice nonetheless.

IF they actually used it verbatim, but often companies might not do it even then for KYC of sorts.

[modern osprey]

kaboom

[sharp lava]

Skipped loading add-on from 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\007 First Light\Retail\renodx-007firstlight.addon64' because this build of ReShade has only limited add-on functionality.

what should i do

[frozen nebula]

This scene is 9000 nits for me.

Well, vanilla, that is.

[modern osprey]

download the addon version of reshade

[frozen nebula]

Mod should fix that.

[zinc fossil]

install the correct reshade version with addon support

[modern osprey]

yeah its fine for me, capped to a nice 1650 nits with reno

[wicked wasp]

Ya if you leave film grain on it jacks up the highlights

[frozen nebula]

Does it respect EDID with grain off?

[wicked wasp]

Ya

[frozen nebula]

Or just doesn't jack it as much?

[frozen nebula]

oh shit.

[wicked wasp]

It works as intended with grain off

[frozen nebula]

They have the most ideal and non-ideal implementation I've seen to date.

Just one slider, the dream. Respects EDID, works all.

[frozen nebula]

Were intentional with gamma and all.

[modern osprey]

I feel like the black level is too easily raised by fog and rain. But it does seem to be intentional at least and not to do with gamma mismatch

[wicked wasp]

If they fixed grain and tweaked the tonemapper it would be good

[frozen nebula]

Only fumbled with the grain.

Yeah

I mean, tonemapper could be that their 'artistic choice'.

But technically, it'd have been really sound HDR implementation.

$10 says the guy working on it hates grain so they never caught it with grain.

[wicked wasp]

They plagiarized unreal and then just retrofitted hdr onto it by tweaking the white clip

[frozen nebula]

[frozen nebula]

This is the way.

[wicked wasp]

I wonder if any dev is lurking

[modern osprey]

at least they attempted to use the calibration results. kudos for that

[wicked wasp]

Windows sometimes doesn’t apply the calibration

[frozen nebula]

I think biggest fumble here is grain, tbh. Everything else can be fine. TM being better would've been the next best step.

[mellow token]

@wicked wasp during a mission briefing cutscene right now and the entire screen went black until turning off reno

[frozen nebula]

And yeah, that's another thing. We still need sliders under advanced or something for those people that have bad EDID reporting.

[wicked wasp]

Pre rendered video probably

Set the slider to off and it’ll work

I’ll fix when I get home

[frozen nebula]

Yeah, later in this scene alone you can get proper blacks. It's not a mismatch.

[wicked wasp]

Avatar and Star Wars outlaws were like that

The volumetric fog would really wash out the scene

[modern osprey]

outlaws reminded me of starfield at some points with the fog

which is something you don't want to happen

[tough granite]

this game loves saturation and so do i, its after my heart

[restive mica]

hey thats where i am too!

[modern osprey]

saturation and bloom! reminds me of absolution at points

its quite charming

this will sounds silly but it really looks like a "summer game"

[tranquil zenith]

ngl the black crush on my monitor is quite bad I'd say, but I don't think there is any way to fix it without causing it to clip like crazy instead so I'd just be shifting to problem?

[cedar crane]

Thanks a lot, Musa 🙂 Awesome work already

[forest steppe]

for old woleds there is less banding for near black when using 8 bit + dithering

[sand night]

excited to test it later

[forest steppe]

the one that matters the most probably is ycbcr444 vs rgb

if you have a tv you probably want to use ycbcr444 if not then use rgb

https://github.com/vesa-org/DisplayHDRTest/releases

scroll through this until you see the near black grey bit depth part of it

[cyan igloo]

Why ycbcr444 for tv?

[quartz geyser]

Yeah same question

[timber tendon]

That’s only for LG

[timber tendon]

Only for LG TVs bc it converts it to that internally

[cyan igloo]

I use a tcl mini LED tv, stick to RGB full then?

[quartz geyser]

🤔 does it redice banding on LG Oleds with PC mode on and 4:4:4?

[zinc fossil]

technically all TVs use or at least used to use YCbCr

so no it's not only for LG

on TV best use YCbCr if you don't know if your TV can convert RGB or not

I think it also had something to do with wether you use HDMI or not

[restive tree]

how to post HDR picture?

[zinc fossil]

use reshade to take screenshots

it will do HDR pngs

you can view them in a browser or in discord

if you use windows media viewer it will show as sdr

[quartz geyser]

damn, some reddit search says you're right. thanks dude

[cyan igloo]

I'm not sure if it's true, I think it was this case for older tvs but modern tvs handle it no problem

[zinc fossil]

it's not about handling it

it's about what the tv uses in the end and if it's ycbcr then best just use that setting

otherwise it will just transfer/process it and maybe the result is visually not noticeable but worst case it will degrade colors

[timber tendon]

LG users say do YCbCr but not on Samsung S95F

[fluid dock]

hdr settings not saving for anyone else?

[cyan token]

mod make the game very bright or it is me ?

[quartz geyser]

only checked for my C2 yeah

[cyan igloo]

I always thought this is applicable for stuff like blu-ray players because it's encoded in ycbcr, but the TV at the end still outputs in RGB for PC gaming

I could be wrong though

[quartz geyser]

did you up the contrast? or is it default?

[tranquil zenith]

How bad would you guys say my black level crush is if the first square I can just barely see on lagom, is the 5th square in SDR

[cyan token]

too bright here

[wicked wasp]

Ya I’m gonna reduce the highlights

[tough granite]

Hell yeah I upped it lol

Saturation too

[quartz geyser]

ok I'm not crazy then 😂

[tough granite]

shots always come out darker than they are too

[tranquil zenith]

I personally like having highlights pop a little more than they usually do on the default settings, not tried the current build yet tho

highlights so far on vanilla hdr have felt very.... meh.. though

[tough granite]

WHERE MUH PATH TRACING meanwhile planar reflectionsn give better reflections than anything ive seen even in path traced games

[tranquil zenith]

can't believe we got real mirrors in a modern game

[tough granite]

watch the path traced reflections be a downgrade haha

[tranquil zenith]

usually we get some blurred out mirror where you can barely tell what you're looking at

[timber tendon]

I noticed those too! Is that some new technique or something? Planar reflections?

[tranquil zenith]

path tracing is cool and all but like, just go back to the way they used to handle reflections in the old games lmao

on mirrors at least

[tough granite]

please be trolling

planar been around for decades

[zinc fossil]

The last of us part II also had perfect mirrors

path traced mirrors always looked worse which is kinda ironic yea haha

[tardy quest]

why is it not being detected on my end even though i placed it in the same folder as the .exe just like other renodx installations in other games

[tough granite]

they used planar on stuff like metal and such too

[tranquil zenith]

I always feel that at some point they wanted to fix mirrors in games when there wasn't anything that needed fixing

there's a lot of old games where we had perfect reflections imo

[slow burrow]

is it worth downloading the beta?

[timber tendon]

Every game has blurry reflections so I was conditioned to think existing techniques suck

[timber tendon]

Why doesn’t every dev do this then? More expensive?

[tough granite]

It renders the scene twice so it can be

[tranquil zenith]

can make performance take a hit afaik ye

[modern osprey]

for that reason you'll notice that a lot of the planar mirror scenes are quite simple

[daring timber]

Guys is anything out yet?

[modern osprey]

this is just a cubemap

[modern osprey]

check pins

[proven needle]

planar only works on perfectly flat surfaces

[daring timber]

So it’s better to play with default HDR for now

[tranquil zenith]

well I'd say the beta is still better than default

but you could wait ye

[modern osprey]

you can use Reno and just switch to vanilla tonemapping in places with issues

[pliant sage]

Ok yea fg is borked in this game. Not even just the abnormally bad ghosting, but some serious artifacting on specific objects when you move the camera.

[tranquil zenith]

where are you mostly noticing it? I've not seen anything that bad so far

[pliant sage]

Things like pallets and what not. I didn't notice it until the ||Aleph|| mission, but there it became very noticeable.

[radiant tundra]

whenever I try to disable Reno for the pre-mission cutscenes it needs a restart

[tranquil zenith]

not rly seen pallets and stuff yet but am quite early into the game, I'm running FG for now still but even if I turn it off I should be able to keep my FPS up I think, with FG on maxed settings I'm still getting like 180 or whatever

[pliant sage]

It goes away once I turn fg off, so definitely something with fg.

[tranquil zenith]

click here on RenoDX

[pliant sage]

But yea I didn't see it all for the first few chapters. It was that specific mission where it became more noticeable to me.

[tranquil zenith]

can switch the tonemapper to vanilla there, should not need a restart

[radiant tundra]

lol yeah that's on me, thanks man I forgot there was a separate tab

[tranquil zenith]

yee

[vestal dragon]

any keybind to turn reno on or off for the cutscenes?

[midnight current]

Do we keep in-game HDR brightness at 250 guys?

[brisk needle]

it can be any value, renodx overwrites it. but you can keep it at 250, doesnt matter

[tranquil zenith]

lmao okay so.... it seems framerate has an affect on your sensitivity

so many weird things in games that change due to frame rate

[kindred mantle]

For mouse or controller? or both

[tranquil zenith]

For mouse. Controller I would not know about

[robust venture]

There's a fov mod on nexus for those that want it.

[wicked wasp]

Probably gonna be home in like 1.5 hours. Will remove the stuff that broke the cutscenes

[vestal dragon]

yeah ty musa, is a bit annoying ngl haha

[weary tusk]

I can only select ycbr 4:4:4 pixel format in 120hz

On 144hx mode I can only select rgb 4:4:4 Philips. Oled 810 lg c5 panel

This is on 120hz

This is on 144hz

So what should I use for 120hz?

Ycbr 4:4:4 pixel format is shown as txhr 4:4:4 limited in tv device options

[prime moon]

how'd you end up tackling this?

[wicked wasp]

I added the LMS gamut compress and decompress stuff but it ended up being a little too saturated

I had moved the tonemapper to running in LMS

But bt709 results in less oversaturation of skin tones

I was testing a case where the heading was really strong cause bond was poisoned

So for now the tm is just bt709 uncapped with luminance of luminance tonemap and then LMS display map

I’ll maybe have to just do LMS tonemap + lower saturation

[cloud kraken]

Musa are you ever asked by a company to fix HDR in their games

Paid

[wicked wasp]

No but it seems IO interactive did take some stuff from the hitman mod

I could work for pumbo on the side

[prime moon]

for psychov-20 i'll probably make the reinhard pow scalable, and call it Cone Compression, where pow 2 = neutwo and pow 1 = reinhard/NR. but most things BT709 perchannel seem to work consistently in LMS . except the damn hue. i still need to do the full math write up on hue

[zinc fossil]

really? didn't any company ever approach you?

[wicked wasp]

No but I’m not really advertising stuff

[cloud kraken]

You don’t like money or not enough time for that?

[zinc fossil]

damn

[wicked wasp]

I’ll call up IO

[zinc fossil]

just shows how niche this whole thing still is to devs I guess

If I ever were to work on a game (which probably will never happen) this whole discord would be like the main place for recruiting people to implement HDR lol

[cloud kraken]

They even forgot to save the HDR toggle status. Eve try relaunch it’s goes back to off..

[wicked wasp]

Also it’s incredibly easy to get it working

In fixing native hdr the effort goes into enhancements or unfucking whatever insane shit devs do

[cloud kraken]

Never say never! Have the same dream. What is your current position?

[zinc fossil]

I'm a medical IT lol

[cloud kraken]

Ah 🙂

[zinc fossil]

and I really don't have any artistic competence

[proven ingot]

eyyy same

[cloud kraken]

But would you like to be a dev or something else

[foggy acorn]

It's already correct the mod ? O better wait a days?

[proven ingot]

I tried doing reno stuff, but I had no clue what I was doing anyway

[zinc fossil]

I mean dev would probably suit me the best I guess but even then I don't think I have the competence haha

[zinc fossil]

nice lol first time I ever met someone online with that profession

[zinc fossil]

I mean, same. Seeing what musa and shortfuse and all the rest do is mindblowing to me

I did 1 mod that I'm comfortable with and all I did was copy musa's work ol

[cloud kraken]

Just create something small in your free time. Lots of good free editors you can play with

[zinc fossil]

yea I mean I like doing stuff as a hobby especially playing around with reno and having AI now is awesome to just try things out

[cloud kraken]

Sensitive topic 🙂

[timber tendon]

TVs should only be used on 120hz as 144 and 165 always have problems and 120hz is the native refresh of the panel, they don’t test the others

[zinc fossil]

I mean it can be? it's not like I think it could replace actual knowledge, work or talent. It's just cool to be able to try things out on your own ^^

[vestal dragon]

Actually crazy that any company has ever asked you to work on or help with HDR stuff

[tepid mortar]

“Hello, I can do your HDR code so you don’t get called by UE lawyer!” Seems good

[cloud kraken]

For sure! I don’t say I’m not using it in my work but the whole vibe coder thing is just not for me haha

[wicked wasp]

I barely know how to code

[zinc fossil]

for real?

[wicked wasp]

It’s just the hdr shit is piss easy code wise

It’s just not something devs are interested in

[zinc fossil]

interesting

[proven ingot]

If I can add my 2 cents to that topic, I'm not super worried, since medical software is under so much regulation and so many standards to follow, that you just can't vibe code stuff and spit out code.

[cloud kraken]

Fair but other apps and games related it’s a whole other topic

[proven ingot]

yea for sure

[cloud kraken]

Just stings for me if I followed school for that and now everyone thinks they can become a dev. Sure you can create code with ai but try to debug it later 🙂

[zinc fossil]

I use AI for that too obviously

jk

[cloud kraken]

I knew that comment was coming haha

[proven ingot]

if they keep increasing the pricing for copilot, it might be cheapter to hire juniors again 😄

[cloud kraken]

Finally

[zinc fossil]

dude AI pricing is become insane

pretty confident that we're going full circle with this yea

[proven ingot]

theres huge pricing overhaul in Github copilot starting june

[zinc fossil]

it'll become cheaper again to hire juniors

[proven ingot]

Currently you can still input one prompt and potentially have AI agent 'work' for an hour or even more. If someone asks a simple question it will still be one prompt even though the compute power required is very different. So its quite unfair.
With the new pricing system, you have monthly token limit, which better reflects the compute power used.
So basically it will suck the most for power users rather than programmers who ask a quick question/edit here and there.

[tranquil zenith]

hope so

[quaint oriole]

do we have to clear shader cache before using reno

[spice pecan]

Guys, hello

"as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart"

Is this technically valid for ANY renodx mod?

for any game i mean

[proven ingot]

yeah

[tranquil zenith]

I think that's usually part of the instructions

[river hearth]

it's valid for reshade in it's entirety even reshade without addon support has these enabled by default

[tranquil zenith]

and afaik those don't really mess with things that much but are just, useless so just turn it off I guess

[river hearth]

they can eat performance sometimes

or create visual glitches

[tranquil zenith]

I see

[spice pecan]

Ok i just never saw this ruining anything

But ok thank you

[tranquil zenith]

but yeah those are the instructions I've seen on most reno mods

[river hearth]

ya it's fine 99% of the time

it's just safer to disable them

[spice pecan]

There is only one pre rendered video? 🙄

[tranquil zenith]

not too sure about that one, but as early I am into the game I have only seen 1 so far

I think the next build might have the fix for those in it though

[spice pecan]

💪 🦁

[proven needle]

https://tenor.com/view/but-its-so-hard-gif-9896475

[quaint oriole]

theres an FOV mod on nexus for anyone interested

did reno fix the problems with hdr+FG?

[grave bluff]

It's unfixable on this engine.

[last stratus]

whats the problem with FG + HDR?

[quaint oriole]

its ghosting like crazy

[last stratus]

I tried it at 4k with DLSS Quality and did not notice any ghosting compared to FG off with DLSS Performance

[quaint oriole]

its very noticeable around your character and on text

[tranquil zenith]

ye I'm not too far into the game but I don't have crazy ghosting

even in things where usually the ghosting was really bad on dlss 4 etc like falling leaves, there's nothing there

[quaint oriole]

I just turned it down to performance and turned off FG, its still 100fps+

[weary tusk]

You sure I have never seen problems on 144hz haha?

It doesn't use dsc for 144hz

[grave bluff]

Nasty ghosting but fixed on UE5 games with this commandline r.Streamline.TagUIColorAlpha=0

[weary tusk]

Like 164hz does 144hz fits in 48gb bandwidth from hdmi 2.1

[last stratus]

yeah but with DLSS performance I get shimmering on foliage

[quaint oriole]

if you dont notice anything thats fine, but look at your characters head when you turn the camera to see it

[tranquil zenith]

which dlss model were you using with FG btw?

[quaint oriole]

I use B

[tranquil zenith]

oh damn B?

[grave bluff]

Nah the ghosting with HDR is crazy, not sure how anyone can't see it

[last stratus]

I use Recommended* FG setting in Nvidia app

[pliant sage]

The ghosting is absolutely there. Easily noticeable around hair especially

This games fg implementation isn't great

[tranquil zenith]

I always feel like the DLSS model is the main thing that matters for ghosting

4 had more than 3.7 iirc and 4.5 has had a lot less

[quaint oriole]

will be a real problem when we get PT, for now it runs fine without FG

[pliant sage]

Yea it's something they need to fix before that pt update since fg is basically required to run pt at acceptable performance

[quaint oriole]

I think there was another game that had this problem and reno fixed it, maybe it is possible

[tranquil zenith]

also ghosting around text? not the subtitles right?

[cloud kraken]

Try turning vsync on?

[quaint oriole]

yes subtitles

[cloud kraken]

Oh also text..

[tranquil zenith]

I remember on uh.... I think the first Jedi game, subtitles were mega bugged with FG, but on this game there's been no issues with subtitles with FG for me

[tranquil zenith]

got it on in nvidia settings, off ingame

[cloud kraken]

Is that different? I see that everywhere

[tepid mortar]

X2 FG?

[tranquil zenith]

I'll move my screen a bunch with subtitles on it next time I hop on to see if I get any issues, but really not noticed anything on them

and usually I do tend to notice ghosting when it happens so, will have to check

I use x2

[weary tusk]

So whhat problems are you talking about haven't encountered Ken on 144hz?

[wicked wasp]

Beta build 2

• set in game hdr on
• not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway
• vanilla grain doesn't work, use perceptual
• haven’t messed with frame gen yet
• as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

changes:

• removed changes that broke pre rendered videos

[tranquil zenith]

possibly stupid question but what do you mean by "in hand hdr" just the ingame option or?

[wicked wasp]

typo

[tranquil zenith]

oh lmao

[wicked wasp]

oh i see what I broke with pre rednered videos

[tranquil zenith]

yeah I saw it on the other one as well so I thought it was intended haha

[wicked wasp]

i'll have to test

[glacial sand]

Any reason why the LOD and volumetric effects quality graphics settings may be greyed out for me?

[wicked wasp]

are you trying to change them after loading into a save

maybe you can only change in the main menu

[languid ice]

When installing Reshade, which one should I choose? Dirext?

[cyan igloo]

yes this game is dx12, install the reshade with addons version

[old quarry]

Install reshade, then drag the addon file to game root folder?

[cloud kraken]

Yup

Where the reshade files also are

And the .exe

[wicked wasp]

not the root folder but the retail folder, that's where the game's exe is located

reshade places dxgi.dll in the same folder as the game's exe and that's how it hooks into the game

[weary tusk]

So whhat problems are you talking about haven't encountered Ken on 144hz?

[glacial sand]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

Thank you, I’m a dumbass

[cloud kraken]

Thanks again Musa for your hard work! It already looks way better

[drifting pulsar]

@wicked wasp can you share source code pls? For beta 2 windows defender doesn't let me use it somehow, I hope I compile myself it should work

[tranquil zenith]

okay so with framegen on, I can shake my screen all I want with subtitles on but absolutely nothing happens to them, no ghosting

[cloud kraken]

You shake the whole screen? 😝

[tranquil zenith]

yeah just stood on my desk shaking the monitor obviously

[peak oracle]

just downloaded the game.. is it much of a mess?

[cloud kraken]

Spoiler marking please 🫣

[tranquil zenith]

does it look like this ingame for u

or is it an SDR screenshot of HDR stuff making it go all weird

[tough granite]

what do you call that

[tranquil zenith]

ugly

[tough granite]

i didnt even notice since it was a fast cut

well yeah

[tranquil zenith]

lmao idk it's like uhh, bit blown out or whatever you'd call it

[tough granite]

just wondering what might be causing it

im gonna adjust and try the updated one

[tranquil zenith]

you didn't slide the highlight bar up or anything right?

feel like dragging the highlights or highlight contract bar up might do that

[tough granite]

i changed stuff, so its definitely that

[vestal dragon]

Any of you playing with dualsense having problems with vibration in general?

[tranquil zenith]

I heard people were using stuff like ds4windows for haptics etc

[cloud kraken]

What issues? I’m playing with it but seems fine for me

[brisk needle]

i have zero problems with vibration on dualsense, and I dont use any external app

[cloud kraken]

Don’t expect the same vibrations as if you play on the ps5

[brisk needle]

pretty sure it has haptics right? I only played 1hr so far, but it seems smth more than just normal vibrations

[cloud kraken]

Didn’t shoot that much yet haha

[brisk needle]

if wired it should be the same as on ps5

I'm pretty sure

[cloud kraken]

True I meant for Bluetooth

[brisk needle]

ah yea for bluetooth its a no-go

I wish sony would release a controller with rechargable battery and a 2.4ghz dongle like xbox

[cloud kraken]

That’s only a dream I’m afraid

[brisk needle]

yeah true

especially with them now not releasing games on PC

[cloud kraken]

Single player

Mp they will still do

[brisk needle]

and sadly not a lot of new games use dualsense features, im glad 007 makes use of it tho

[brisk needle]

ahh tru

[fluid dock]

a pico2 plus a mod will turn on haptics for bluetooth

[brisk needle]

yea its pretty cool, but I dont see the use for it given how often you gotta charge the dualsense

battery life is like 6-8 hours or smth im pretty sure

[wraith pier]

so is reno not launching for yall as well?

[brisk needle]

also my mobo doesnt have bluetooth so thats why dongle would be better for me hehe

[vestal dragon]

Vibration doesnt work for me often, i have to turn it on and off for it to work again

I have to turn on the force vibration option, I don’t know if thats mandatory or not, but is the only way it works for me. But it stops working suddenly every few minutes

[cloud kraken]

How did you install it?

[cloud kraken]

Wired?

[olive marten]

Can i ask you guys something not related to the mod? Every time i open the game the game HDR is disabled , have to enable again every time i lauch the game, does anyone with same issue?

[wraith pier]

selected the game, added reshade, then added the renodx file

[cloud kraken]

Yup a bug

[tranquil prairie]

yeah thats how it is for now

[wraith pier]

same as usual, or at least how i understand how to do it

[quaint oriole]

there is a way to use a pico 2w to get the dualsense to act like it was wired over bluetooth. its like 7€

[tranquil zenith]

I wish duelsense actually worked on every game

[fluid dock]

i have 2 controllers on rotation anyway and you don't need bluetooth on pc, dongle connects through usb

[tranquil zenith]

like, on Forza horizon 6 for example it just straight up isn't supported

[cloud kraken]

Do you see the reshade files in the folder where the .exe is?

[brisk needle]

yeah I know, its cool, but my mobo doesnt have bluetooth, and also I wouldnt see the use for it since dualsense needs charging waaay too often

[quaint oriole]

no the pico 2w has bluetooth you just connect it over usb to your pc

[brisk needle]

ahh I see

[wraith pier]

yes

[cloud kraken]

Couch gaming.. need to buy a long cable 🙂

[cloud kraken]

You placed the Reno file in the same folder?

[wraith pier]

reshade launches, but it says this build of reshade doesnt support the add ons

[brisk needle]

I mean to be fair game isnt even released yet on PS5, so having dualsense support for it would be very unexpected

[cloud kraken]

Which version of reshade do you have

[wraith pier]

6.7.3

[cloud kraken]

And do you have the addon version

[vestal dragon]

Yea, i have tried both

[old quarry]

If I’m using dlss frame generation with renodx, should I use dlss fix as well?

[quaint oriole]

there is a mod that gets you adaptive triggers on fh6, it work very well

[fluid dock]

yes i couch game in living room as well, pc is in bedroom

[cloud kraken]

Maybe a long shot but try verifying game files?

[cloud kraken]

Which cable do you use?

[fluid dock]

dualsense works wirelessly very well

[cloud kraken]

Yeah but you don’t get the full potential

[fluid dock]

a 10m aoc hdmi

[tranquil zenith]

well I mean, xbox controllers will work on any game with controller support

[cloud kraken]

HDMI?

[tranquil zenith]

ah I've just been using ds4windows

[fluid dock]

you mean haptics?

[cloud kraken]

Yes

[wraith pier]

i mean i have the new 6.7.3 ive used for everything, but its saying it doesnt support some of the add ons

[fluid dock]

you get haptics on bluetooth by using the dongle method

[cloud kraken]

Which dongle 🙂

[queen jolt]

Just set it up and something annoying is happening

[cloud kraken]

Screenshot?

[queen jolt]

I click home and nothing happens

[fluid dock]

#1499664181170012181 message

[queen jolt]

Guys what do you do when this happens

[cloud kraken]

Can you also show me the file in the folder?

[fluid dock]

pico 2w

[tranquil zenith]

did it work before and stopped working? changed or installed anything?

[fluid dock]

https://github.com/awalol/DS5Dongle

[queen jolt]

It works fine with other games

But with this one nothing happens

[wraith pier]

what part of it, idk if it would all fit

[cloud kraken]

Only the Reno file in the specific folder

[tranquil zenith]

hmm maybe go through reshade again and select the game etc, maybe it didn't properly install for the game

[wraith pier]

u mean this?

[quaint oriole]

you dont need ds4windows for fh6 at all. Just use this for the triggers https://github.com/HamzaYslmn/Forza-Horizon-DualSense-Python

[cloud kraken]

Try removing the space

[terse trellis]

delete the (1)

[tranquil zenith]

without ds4 the controller does nothing at all tho, on gamepass at least

[wicked wasp]

you downloaded the regular version of reshade and not the addon ve rsion

[quaint oriole]

ah okay I have it on steam

[foggy needle]

I use this for FH6, wish there were mods like this for other games. Truly phenomenal

[tranquil zenith]

yeah with steam you can kinda use it as a steam controller which kinda auto translates or whatever it does. on gamepass it just doesn't even recognise it

[quaint oriole]

you could add it to steam as non steam game maybe

[tranquil zenith]

I've found that to be a lot of effort with gamepass games, especially since every file always throws up errors saying you got no rights and stuff

[wraith pier]

wheres the add on version?

[tranquil zenith]

I guess it works fine tho, it just acts as a 360 controller or something

[cloud kraken]

Pinned post

[glossy tartan]

Is the in game HDR slider actually paper white or is it also peak brightness?

[quaint oriole]

yeah whatever if ds4w works its good. I use a mod to get playstation buttons too with the trigger mod. Its pretty nice

[tough granite]

Damn I thought that patch note meant the newest Reno turned on in game HDR for you

So annoying it keeps turning it off. Stop it! lol

[tranquil zenith]

ah yeah idc about the button glyph things that much, I spent loads of years on xbox so I probably know those buttons better anyway

[wraith pier]

i figured it out, i pinned the wrong version of reshade last time i used it

sry for sendin yall on a wild goose chase

[tardy wolf]

any ideas what time the mod will be available

[cloud kraken]

Haha no worry’s like debugging sometimes

[tough granite]

Second update already out. Check pins

[vestal dragon]

Do you turn on the force vibration option?

[valid wadi]

hottake:
I love tha game ❤️

[quaint oriole]

just found this FOV mod, its actually so much better https://www.nexusmods.com/007firstlight/mods/15?tab=posts

[kindred mantle]

Try disabling steam input for 007 maybe if you haven't already

[vestal dragon]

Yeah i tried that too. Saw a reddit post about it but didn’t work

[cloud kraken]

Nope

[vestal dragon]

Ok, well

I don’t know

[valid wadi]

I still cant load into my save???

[queen jolt]

damn, this reshade aint triggering when i click home, i remmeber this happening and i switched the input, forgot how to do it though

with another game

[glossy tartan]

I hate that theres still blurring on the edges even when chromatic abberation is disabled

[tranquil zenith]

radial blur

can turn that off as well, that's the setting you're most likely looking for

[wicked wasp]

improved the tonemapping significantly

highlights should be a lot more controlled

gonna put on github in a sec

[drifting pulsar]

what was the complexity initially? Is that the need to use the game's LUT that makes things more complicated than just running one of reno tonemappers on scene-linear pixels?

[wicked wasp]

basically just how I was extending their tonemapper to hdr

they use an sdr tonemapper

[drifting pulsar]

why not just replace it entirely?

[wicked wasp]

parameters are from cbuffers

if they want one scene to look different from another

I want to keep those differences between scenes intact

[drifting pulsar]

ah, so the need to make use of all the uniforms so that the game looks closer to original?

[wicked wasp]

ya

[drifting pulsar]

cause I made it work yesterday just by replacing the whole 0x33... shader, obviously I nuked all of post processing and all

dxc.exe wasn't working on the main shader, so codex offered me to just replace the whole shader and work my way out of its input from scratch. This worked well for one scene with hand-tuned exposure (no bloom, no vignette, no lut etc). Today though I used to update dxc to actually decompile it to see what the hell it was actually doing. But I'm just poking around it never touched live game engines or modding before, so super curious what are the actual "production ready" fixes you made to it

[peak oracle]

havent booted up yet. whats the benefits of this reno mod so far folks?

[drifting pulsar]

@peak oracle highlights are much better and not clamped. I have S95F 2.2k nits, and the game was outputting like 900 tops. With reno it's correct now

[peak oracle]

nice! im on a s90d

[drifting pulsar]

otherwise (at least beta 1) looks very similar, @wicked wasp said they stole some of renodx code! that's why it looks pretty decent out of the box I guess. But seems like as usual HDR is an afterthought in vanilla

[peak oracle]

really lol

from hitman?

[drifting pulsar]

yeah I guess, but he can correct me if I'm wrong

[wicked wasp]

vanilla / renodx

[wicked wasp]

i wouldn't call it stealing necessarily

but what they did with unreal engine is definitely stealing

[ashen marten]

Looking good

[drifting pulsar]

yeah my bad, bad word. Respect those devs after DF video

[wicked wasp]

the build from this morning gets way too bright during the explosions in the intro mission

so I gotta check that out again

[peak oracle]

nice! vanilla looks so dull

[wicked wasp]

@prime moon switched to tonemapping in lms and 2.2 emulation in lms where the scaling option takes luminance from by luminance

[cloud kraken]

Try enabling force rumble. That’s what I’m using now

[drifting pulsar]

wow that's much better than just highlights! didn't notice he was that green when playing that mission on vanilla yesterday

[faint scaffold]

looks dope, thxx

[drifting pulsar]

@wicked wasp btw do you know whey they all using PQ in shaders vs using scRGB from windows and letting windows do the PQ conversion?

[wicked wasp]

frame gen needs pq

its too slow for 16 bit float so 10 bit unorm works better

[drifting pulsar]

ah so framegen is trained on 10 bit unorm probably so it needs that as input?

[vestal dragon]

It’s working now. I unpaired it completely from Bluetooth and it’s working now. I don’t know why that was the problem, because I wasn’t using Bluetooth. it was disconnected

[cloud kraken]

Do you change some settings inside the Reno hud menu?

[wicked wasp]

not training just isn't fast enough with 16 bit input

[drifting pulsar]

only peak

[wicked wasp]

BETA BUILD 3

• set in game hdr on
• not all shaders done yet, but the unfinished ones might be unused anyway
• vanilla grain doesn't work, use perceptual
• haven’t messed with frame gen yet
• as usual disable generic depth and effect runtime sync in the reshade addons tab and then restart

changes:

• improved tonemapping
• added bloom slider

[cloud kraken]

It’s working with Bluetooth but you unpaired it fromBluetooth haha

[vestal dragon]

idk weird ass bug i guess lol

[drifting pulsar]

let's gooooo

[inner seal]

bloom slider, does this mean its playable

[drifting pulsar]

damn, windows defender somehow doesn't like this one again @wicked wasp 🙁 can you please share a github?

[inner seal]

after seeing the vanilla bloom, I kind of want to replace it entirely

[proven ingot]

can't you just move it out of quarantine in defender?

[drifting pulsar]

thanks, googling how to do it. I'm very new to windows

[proven ingot]

in Defender go to Protection History and you should see it on top. In actions dropdown just select 'allow' or 'restore'

[inner seal]

what kind of psycho designed this graphics menu

[proven ingot]

the weird dropdowns for each option, right?

[inner seal]

yes

[proven ingot]

very annoying yeah. takes so much space and you still have to at least hover over each one to see what you have selected

[inner seal]

does the game really use as little vram as it estimates

[wicked wasp]

https://github.com/mqhaji/renodx/tree/main/src/games/007firstlight

[drifting pulsar]

this helped get the file back, but doesn't load, reshade logs say "Failed to load add-on from '*renodx-007firstlight.addon64' with error code 4551!", probably still related to windows thinking this file is bad...

thank you @wicked wasp !

[proven ingot]

everything maxed out 4k 2x fg

[inner seal]

dlss quality?

[proven ingot]

balanced

12.2gb in task manager with quality

[inner seal]

I guess that is averagish then

maybe a bit low

[daring timber]

Thanks for sharing

[inner seal]

did see some pretty aggressively low res textures

perhaps limited streamer

[proven ingot]

I noticed some on scene changes

[drifting pulsar]

confirm custom compiled works and loads! thanks again

[daring timber]

Guys does the beta 2 version work with frame gen?

[proven ingot]

it did for me

but why would u use that one if 3 is out

[daring timber]

No flickering issues right?

[proven ingot]

nope

[valid wadi]

Im at the desert chapter now and the colors are so weird... sometimes its insanly flat and sometimes it is so oversaturated

[daring timber]

Where is 3 I can’t find in pins

[proven ingot]

here

[daring timber]

It mentions Musa didn’t try with frame gen yet so I am not sure

[proven ingot]

im using fg and see no issues

[daring timber]

Ok 👍🏻

[slim cobalt]

not sure how it's for everyone else but vanilla game disables HDR toggle on every game launch. so be careful. don't blame reno if things look off - check that toggle first

[proven ingot]

its a game bug. they acknowledged it already

[slim cobalt]

good. just flaggin for folks here

[daring timber]

Thanks for letting us know

[wraith trout]

Transfer function should be set to sRGB yeah? Might wanna mention that cause it doesn't work with 2.2

Edit: ignore that, HDR wasn't enabled 🤦‍♀️

[daring timber]

Did anyone try the FOV mod? Does it make it better cause currently the FOV is nauseating for me

Wow beta 3 looks so much better!

[wicked wasp]

you can take better screenshots by going into the hdr calibration menu and pressing the hide ui button

[drifting pulsar]

where's that menu?

[proven ingot]

game settings

where u turn on hdr

[drifting pulsar]

aah, nice, so to put the game on pause on the exact same frame! let me redo it and delete that one above

beta 3 / vanilla

[frank violet]

Beta 3. looking good

[zinc fossil]

dude this game looks amazing

already looking forward to it

[proven ingot]

imagine when they put in path tracing as well

[zinc fossil]

honestly, I don't know how transformative PT will really be

this looks really good

if it performs well I might prefer this

well let's see how PT actually will look

[inner seal]

is there not a sharpness setting?

[remote idol]

my total system usage was 14gb vram after playing for an hour there

[inland birch]

Is grain set up to be pre UI with the current mod? I’d imagine it is

[brisk needle]

does ingame film grain need to be turned off, or does mod overwrite that too if its on? just curious, wanna make comparisons for myself

[inland birch]

Nope

[inland birch]

Turn it off

It has issue outside of the grain itself

[brisk needle]

ahh ok ty!

[signal sinew]

any fixes for ghosting with fg?

[inner seal]

aight we need sharpness added to reno asap, this is awful

[inland birch]

Using dlss?

[inner seal]

naturally

[inland birch]

What preset?

[inner seal]

probably M assuming override is working but would have to check, but yeah turning off all base sharpening in every game is a hard requirement no matter what

not a single game with good sharpening implementation

[signal sinew]

its working in RHI

[inland birch]

M for me looks a bit soft but I can’t tell if it’s framegen or just the presentation honestly

[inner seal]

I am just in the intro and tons of sharpening artifacts

[inland birch]

Oh yours is over-sharpened?

I definitely haven’t seen that

[tough granite]

Yeah can definitely tell on things like pillows and such

[inland birch]

I thought you meant it was far too soft

[tranquil zenith]

preset M is known to be quite sharp I guess?

[inner seal]

meh, just bad base game sharpening

forced

[tranquil zenith]

I see, ye sucks that there's no ingame slider

[inner seal]

maybe I will pull Musas branch and see if I can add a slider

[wicked wasp]

ya it's in the same place as the game's grain

[inland birch]

Preset M is trained on pre TAA data so it’s much less blurry. A lot of games compensate for taa blur with sharpening though. So if you do preset m + a game that was authored for regular taa

It can be a bit over sharpened

[wicked wasp]

if you wanna use the custom grain you need film grain on in the menu

[inland birch]

I didn’t realized you hijacked it

My b

[inner seal]

is sharpness in the postprocess shader you pulled?

[glacial sand]

What are you using then? L?

[inland birch]

I’m using M

I think me and lazorr may just have different setups and eyes

Also idk if they’re using fg or not

[inner seal]

the rocks in the intro is what immediately set it off for me

no FG yet

dlss quality 5k x 2k

[inland birch]

Dlss quality preset m fgx3 for me

Has anyone tested preset B in this game for fg?

[tranquil zenith]

ye idk to me it's like, fine, but I guess I like things somewhat sharp. When things like grass are crazy oversharpened that's where it will look off to me

[inner seal]

its pretty clear they just have low res textures and applied a bunch of sharpening

at least in this area

[glacial sand]

Fuck it’s so annoying that the HDR in the game needs to be manually enabled for each startup

[inland birch]

The textures are definitely not great but they just looked like not great textures to me. They didn’t really seem that sharpened. Can you send a screenshot perhaps?

[inner seal]

maybe after I find sharpening shader in devkit

[inland birch]

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[quaint oriole]

yes FG+hdr gives bad ghosting particular on text. Im on the big mission in the hotel and you really need FG there it seems heavily CPU limited.

[tranquil zenith]

man I've not been able to fully focus and play the game because it has been 28 degrees C inside and I just feel slow and drained

I've had it on pause more than I've played

[inner seal]

bruh that is so hot for inside

[tranquil zenith]

yeah

new building and they never tested the cooling system, everyones without cooling

also I see people saying they get really bad ghosting on text and I have genuinely not had ghosting on it at all

[pliant sage]

Aint no way I would be running a pc in that heat. That is horrible

[tranquil zenith]

no matter what I do I can't even see a hint of ghosting on subtitles

my pc is blasting even more heat ye lmao

it has cooled a lot outside tho, 19 degrees out rn so opened all the windows

is it really just preset B that is ghosting like crazy or?

[brisk needle]

the perceptual one right? so I gotta turn it on to use that?

[meager raven]

Hitman woa needed a hex edit to turn off the sharpening might be the same case here, don't remember if Reno controlled it tho

[inner seal]

I am sure adding it to reno should be simple enough

probably

[signal sinew]

good workaround is in accesibility options give subtitles darker background

keeps tekst much cleaner

[tranquil zenith]

to use any film grain you need to have it turned on in the game itself yeah, then you can switch between vanilla and perceptual and adjust with the slider below it

[brisk needle]

ahh okay thank you

tho vanilla grain doesnt work in renodx Musa said that, gonna use perceptual

[tranquil zenith]

you still get filmgrain with vanilla, I just think it messes with things like the peak nits and stuff. so I would use perceptual yes

[brisk needle]

also Preset B makes quite a difference with FG, Im still early on and just got the ||watch||, ghosting was terrible, with B its bearable

ok nvm I turned on HDR cause I forgot it turns itself off every time, its just as bad as B

[tranquil zenith]

I guess preset M just doesn't really get the crazy ghosting on text

what fps are you guys getting with the ghosting btw and x2 framegen or higher?

[brisk needle]

i have like 120 FPS on 2x framegen DLSS L Balanced, and ghosting is very bad

I also use DLDSR 2.25x but its same ghosting as if I used 2k res

game has so much UI element, why would they not support preset B, so frustrating

[tranquil zenith]

hmmm ye dunno, I get like 180fps or something on x2 and really not getting the crazy ghosting I'm hearing about

[weary tusk]

Framegen is bad in this game only thing to fix it is if you disable hdr

[brisk needle]

yea sucks that thats the only workaround

[weary tusk]

I have framegen disabled until if possible musa fixes it 🙂

[brisk needle]

yea same, sucks cuz I wanted to use dldsr cause I have very good frames for it, not without framegen tho

[tranquil zenith]

when I switch between FG and no FG I see no difference visually, no extra ghosting. the only difference that is noticeable is that with it on the game is noticeably smoother

[brisk needle]

thats really interesting cause even the subtitles and the left side mission objective popup has crazy ghosting for me

[weary tusk]

thats weird, most people i spoke hear all see the same problem

[tranquil zenith]

ye I'm moving my mouse, slow, fast, I just don't see any of it on there. it genuinely looks like the subtitles are pasted on top of everything

[smoky lava]

U sure hdr is on?

[daring timber]

When is path tracing coming?

[tranquil zenith]

yes HDR is on ingame

[smoky lava]

Cuz everything ghosts like crazy

Not even just the ui

It’s awful throughout

[tranquil zenith]

maybe random but are you on the latest nvidia driver or an older one?

[smoky lava]

Newest

[brisk needle]

same

[tranquil zenith]

hmmm

[smoky lava]

Tried both presets

Both are horrible

[proven ingot]

it was supposed to be for launch, but they delayed it. I can' t find any date now

just that it's coming

[smoky lava]

But the game runs like ass when tons of npcs are on screen

Very cpu limited

[quartz geyser]

it says "coming in summer" lol

[proven ingot]

oh right

ye see it now

[oak horizon]

nice, i just got my first QD OLED monitor and will try this before anything else, heard a lot about how good RenoDX is

[brisk needle]

good thing you discovered renodx right when getting your oled

I played thru RE9 without renodx, and it was so ass lmao, black raise was very bad

[proven ingot]

reno is quite good for many other games as well. I recommend checking out https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods to see if some other games catch your eyes as well

also https://github.com/RankFTW/RHI

[quartz geyser]

I regret every game I played without RenoDX at this point xD

[weary tusk]

whats upp with this. i always install reshade myself?

[brisk needle]

same man same, thankfully I think it was only RE9 for me

[sullen rampart]

latency is horrible without FG, getting 62ms on 60fps (no fg) vs 24ms with FG enabled, probably related to reflex being tied to FG implementation (sucks)

[brisk needle]

death stranding 1's terrible yellow sky made me realize hdr in games really are broken as shit most of the time

[daring timber]

Ok thanks for info

[weary tusk]

you can try displaycommander and force reflex to be on?

[proven ingot]

it scans for games on your pc and you can one click install reshade. Reno mod with another click

[smoky lava]

24ms with fg enabled?

That seems insanely low

[sullen rampart]

not very familiar with that app, would be cool to do so

[smoky lava]

How high is your base frame rate

[weary tusk]

just a reshade addon 🙂

[sullen rampart]

yeah, aprox

[brisk needle]

do you know if RHI detects mods that are only updated to discord like CP2077 latest for example?

[daring timber]

How do you even enable Ray tracing? Does the game have RT? @proven ingot

[tranquil zenith]

any of you installed the FOV mod?

[valid wadi]

Yes baked in, you cant disable it

[signal sinew]

it should be connected to database, but when you see mod that is not connected best is to give rank info

[brisk needle]

PT comes out in summer

[daring timber]

Wow!

[daring timber]

RT is baked in?

[foggy acorn]

just activate Reflex with Nvidia Inspector profile, dont?

[weary tusk]

you cant with nvpi afaik

[brisk needle]

seems like i was wrong then, didnt know it was baked in

[daring timber]

Are you sure about PT release date?

[wraith oracle]

Software RT right now

[valid wadi]

Just because there is no rt option, doesnt mean there is no rt.

[brisk needle]

ig thats why it looks good

[daring timber]

@valid wadi said so

[smoky lava]

What exactly is RTed in this game

Nothing looks like RT to me

[sullen rampart]

about 58/60

[proven ingot]

gives me option to install it from snapshot I assume

[smoky lava]

Global illumination is screen space

[daring timber]

Guys down we know any info on PT release date?

[brisk needle]

yea i was incorrect, but then why did IOI post something about no RT being in the game, and only PT in summer

[valid wadi]

It is just optimized and runs well, it does not look all that impressive, but you cant get both

pt is coming later on

[oak horizon]

i'll definitely try it in other games as well, thx

[inner seal]

there basically is no HDR without reno

[smoky lava]

I think your reading might be wrong then

[daring timber]

Did they say pt summer? Can you link please?

[brisk needle]

ahh nice

[brisk needle]

bottom left

[oak horizon]

HDR is something i was curious about in general but couldn't use it since my old monitor's HDR was too bad

[daring timber]

How far is summer may I ask?

[tranquil zenith]

I got a friend with an IPS monitor who says he loves the HDR on it and like... idk but I just can't see how an IPS monitor has good HDR

[quartz geyser]

a little zoomed in

[foggy acorn]

but in this game, because in others yes, or with Nvidia Control panel

[valid wadi]

meaning you play it now, and than again with that patch ! xd

[daring timber]

Thanks but how far is summer?

[smoky lava]

You do get significantly more highlight detail with hdr still

[oak horizon]

maybe a few of them but my old IPS isn't even a 10-bit so it's impossible to make it good

[valid wadi]

I think like 4 weeks

[smoky lava]

But yea the highlights are very dim

[brisk needle]

i mean, based on IOI interactive offices are in denmark, august 31 but who knows

[weary tusk]

? where is that option to force reflex then

[quartz geyser]

it means from 3 days to 3 months 😄

[sullen rampart]

Here you go

[inner seal]

I mean in general for almost any game

[daring timber]

Ok

[daring timber]

Ok thanks

[tranquil zenith]

it has no local dimming or anything so like, I guess it's not really possible to get the highlights and everything?

[smoky lava]

Yea fair play

[brisk needle]

yeah same, none of my IPS monitors had correct HDR

[weary tusk]

game has reflex? even without any framegen?

[smoky lava]

Yea I see the numbers, I just think they’re wrong

[forest steppe]

its off by default, but you can use dc or sk to turn it on

[daring timber]

Guys which DLSS preset should I use I have a 5090

[sullen rampart]

well that could certainly be the case for sure. Can confirm that 60 do not feel like 60

[forest steppe]

what dlss quality level are you using

[weary tusk]

i havent touchged the setting in dc. its enabled by default ?

[smoky lava]

Like that latency difference you could easily notice as well

[valid wadi]

quality

[forest steppe]

its "off" by default, but you can use sk/dc to override it to "low latency"

[weary tusk]

i have it at default (game fps) and reflex is just enabled without framegen?

[daring timber]

I am using DLSS quality but what preset do I select should it be K or L and M for DLSS 4.5?

[sullen rampart]

Heavily noticed, that why FG has been a must for me. Had to tolerate the ghosting

[forest steppe]

maybe dc just enables it regardless

[tranquil zenith]

I'd maybe even switch that to DLAA with a 5090? should be able to run that just fine right?

[modern osprey]

Ok so idk if I just saw things but a flash bang happened in the game and a HDR debug menu popped up on my screen

[forest steppe]

special k does not by default

[blissful ledge]

could be a new shader

[forest steppe]

I haven't tried using dc

[valid wadi]

Not in every scene, I think it is not worth the performance hit

[forest steppe]

L and M shouldn't be used for quality mode imo

too expensive

[tranquil zenith]

ah wait I assume ur on 4k

[valid wadi]

I had like areas with 120 fps and 60, full gpu bound

yea 5k

4k I mean

[weary tusk]

dont think so,, i have it to deffault (that means game only) didnt't force it

[daring timber]

@valid wadi what would you advice

[forest steppe]

from what I saw so far K generally looks better than E, but I haven't really done any extensive a/b testing

[tranquil zenith]

yeahh I'm on 1440p

[blissful ledge]

do whatever looks the way u like with the fps ur happy with

me with a 4080 at 1440p, im maxed out dlaa at like 170fps with frame gen

[tranquil zenith]

same here

[valid wadi]

always K for quality, which is just the recommended setting

[daring timber]

Will RenoDX fix the FG ghosting or should it be fixed from developers end?

[valid wadi]

nope

[daring timber]

Ok awesome

[forest steppe]

are you talking about the ui? try overriding it to preset B via the nvidia app

if its not using preset B already

[valid wadi]

I tried that

[daring timber]

Ok 👍🏻

[valid wadi]

no change

[forest steppe]

rip

[valid wadi]

they gotta fix that

[sullen rampart]

good question which i do not posses the answer, hopefully overriding to preset B the issue is solved

[forest steppe]

yea

[valid wadi]

I play with motionblur rn, to make them 70to90 fps better looking 😭

[daring timber]

Preset B in nvidia app resolved the issue?

[valid wadi]

nope

[blissful ledge]

i cant even get the game to show up for me in the nvidia app lol

[foggy acorn]

This

[valid wadi]

same, added manual

[blissful ledge]

its weird, i even have the 007 driver

[sullen rampart]

was not able to test it since it`s no appearing. Had issues in the past with mannualy adding the games

[valid wadi]

app support comes in later, dont ask why

its for nvidias "optimized" settings preset

[foggy acorn]

Sorry, where is the link to the new version mod?

[weary tusk]

these are best settings?

or should i lower the default lut strength?

[valid wadi]

yea depends on your pref and monitor

[daring timber]

What are people saying online?