007 First Light

[astral crow]

yeah try updating the dll usually helps with ghosting

[tranquil zenith]

the only thing I dislike is like, any game I wouldn't play with a controller I immediately enjoy a lot less on a console and I played console for a loooooot of years

like, spiderman or something like wolverine is nice on controller

[weary tusk]

Have anyone tested forcing rebar on in 007 with nvpi did they gain fps?

[tranquil zenith]

uncharted I'd have enjoyed way more with a mouse personally, I just do not enjoy aiming and shooting with a thumbstick

[proven ingot]

I switched from console to PC a year ago and can't let go of playing on a controller.. Unless its an FPS, I can't play it with mouse and keyboard

[peak sandal]

seems like it ships with the newest one 310.6

[frank violet]

is there depth of field? I sort of see it but not sure which settings turns it off

[proven ingot]

same here with 007

[astral crow]

it's just a bad experience compared to PC no options for framegeneration, no options for modding.

[pliant sage]

You can't. It's forced. Was complaining about it earlier

[tranquil zenith]

full kbm support in games would go a long way for me tbh

[astral crow]

yeah i saw something like this on dead space remake (better with dll), I would try using preset L Dlss and then DLSS quality or Balanced

[tranquil zenith]

but also with kbm lower frame rates are way more painful than they are with controller

[peak sandal]

worth a try

I'm also idling twitch in the meantime for the 3 suit drops

[astral crow]

since console will never support modding, it can never beat PC. The visuals between ps5 pro and PC are kinda small in non-path traced games right now though. Probably will shrink with ps6 further. Everyone hating on Dlss5, but that is what will make PC leap over consoles next generation

neural rendering in some form

[peak sandal]

the lighing improvements they showcased with dlss 5 were pretty cool without the need for devs to do anything, the faces were the only weird part

[quaint oriole]

the FG ghosting is pretty bad is there any way to mitigate this? I force preset B

[timber tendon]

Relieved

[astral crow]

The ability to like vastly improve the fidelity of non-essential NPCs for a large scene too. Like I think it's jarring when changing main characters but like far away more high fidelity textures and assets

and npcs

[queen tartan]

Is this Reno DX mod for 007 going to work some kind of miracle? lol

[astral crow]

game doesn't need much apparently, but it will probably fix tonemapping, allow you to have much higher peak brightness fix colors etc

[uneven patio]

is the ingame hdr setting just paper white?

[astral crow]

I didn't think Jedi Survivor needed a reno, but gosh is the reno a game changer ever for that game. It has decne HDR out of the box

[uneven patio]

What number should it be set to

or rather what do you guys have it at

[peak sandal]

the optimization is pretty decent, I'm pleasantly surprised

[frank violet]

odd, that does not happen to me, but I do have hud issues, maybe I'll try forcing preset b FG later

[uneven patio]

is it supposed to only have a single hdr slider

[robust venture]

Preset b doesn't help

[pliant sage]

This game definitely has an abnormal amount of ghosting with fgx2 compared to other games. It's better with preset L.

[robust venture]

Smooth motion works but has other issues

[tough granite]

Best DLSS preset for the game? No ray reconstruction so it can use DLSS 4.5 no problem

Thoughts?

[robust venture]

L fixes a bit of shadow flicker but has issues with other parts, at least I think it's L causing it.

[pliant sage]

I can't say for sure as I haven't used any other preset but L so far.

[zinc fossil]

L has a lot of aliasing in most games

sure it's sharper but also kinda flawed from my experienced

[grizzled flicker]

This game doesn't need FG, the base fps are already enought

[robust venture]

Has a better denoiser sometimes though

[zinc fossil]

every game should have FG as an option

[robust venture]

Can help some games, others it hurts

[zinc fossil]

especially for high refresh rate monitors

[pliant sage]

I notice less aliasing with it compared to M and it's sharper than K so I prefer it most of the time.

[modern osprey]

Bloom is absolutely crazy in this game. Like Xbox 360 levels of piss filter bloom

[grizzled flicker]

L in general is the best, but is more demanding

[weary tusk]

When I install reshade I get black screen with game sound on 007 when I delete it and verify files it works again.... Hahaha

[weary tusk]

Preset l even at quality mode? Doesn't it look way to oversharpended?

[pliant sage]

I also can't go back to K after seeing the hdr highlights pop so much more with M and L.

[astral crow]

This is what I thought, the main downside of L is it's like 5-8 fps slower than other modes. It's generally better

[tough granite]

So use L?

[astral crow]

definitely

[tough granite]

Everyone seems to prefer L

[zinc fossil]

for me it depends on the game but usually L looks great

[pliant sage]

If you have the headroom, yes imo.

[zinc fossil]

it also often has more aliasing

[astral crow]

I also think the preset L looks about as good as preset K does at dlss quality even on dlss performance mode it's nuts

[zinc fossil]

which is a step back compared to older DLSS models

[weary tusk]

So you guyd are using preset l at quality mode? Doesn't look oversharpended.

[proven ingot]

if you have 40 or 50 series RTX card, L is preferable. 20 and 30 probably K

[remote idol]

i just woke up
how's the game

[tough granite]

This game is gonna be so delisted in a decade. So much product placement. Lana del ray music. Actors. Licensed music. Bond license like damn.

[weary tusk]

Do more people have problems with reshade I get a black screen with sound in game

[grizzled flicker]

L with DLSSQ if you have a series 5xxx

[pliant sage]

Not to me. Will be very dependent on the person tho.

[proven ingot]

I saw Land Rover and Omega watch

[grizzled flicker]

M is more oversharped than L

[astral crow]

Preset L @ Dlss Balanced is best all arounder imo. It's kinda odd but I don't really see an improvement with dlss quality over dlss balanced. As I said, on some games I don't even see how dlss quality is better than dlss performance on preset L.

[proven ingot]

yea that one is supposed to be used with ultra performance

[weary tusk]

People tried forcing rebar with nvpi maybe it improves peerormance.

[pliant sage]

Just don't use L with dlaa. The performance hit is nowhere near worth it.

[tough granite]

Same. And Coca Cola

[weary tusk]

No it's the other wst around. Preset m is normaly for performance and l for ultra performance

[astral crow]

Like I don't think in an A/B test I could tell dlss performance apart from dlss quality on preset L at 4k

[grizzled flicker]

Because is more demanding but if you have a powerful GPU (5080) you can force it with Q or Balanced

[proven ingot]

oh, right

[grizzled flicker]

How is the actual status of HDR instead?

[astral crow]

DLDSR is more impactful than DLAA with similar performance hit

1.75x

[frank violet]

I've been using that since I got a 5080, on a 1440p oled monitor, its just TOO GOOD

[tough granite]

Man the fact the game turns off HDR each time you play it right now is so lame lol

Doubt reshade and reno will fix that. Brutal

[astral crow]

I run my 1440p monitor permanently at 1.75x DLDSR. It kinda makes desktop look like shit, but you get used to it, can use cleartype too

[obsidian dock]

Is this game worth the money ?

[tough granite]

Yes

[foggy needle]

Every penny

[obsidian dock]

Doc couldn’t even get pass the tutorial he shut it down

[pliant sage]

I shy away from dldsr simply because I hate changing it constantly for every game and then back for desktop use.

[astral crow]

it looks as good or better than 4k to me it's wild. It hits performance hard. You can use upscaling ON TOP of dldsr too

[tough granite]

Doc?

[river hearth]

No, maybe when pt releases

[foggy needle]

Doc couldn’t get past a decent marriage.

[obsidian dock]

Dr disrespect

[tough granite]

Ew

[tranquil zenith]

using doc as a game benchmark is crazy work

[brisk needle]

Doc couldn't even meet up with the kid at twitchcon

[pliant sage]

Game is a blast to play so yes imo. If yoy want all the eye candy like pt then wait.

[tranquil zenith]

check out some reviews maybe if you want a better idea of whether the game is something you might enjoy or not

it's kinda hard to tell someone else if something is worth their money

[obsidian dock]

Yeah I don’t trust these big companies scoring the game anymore

[frank violet]

yeah, its really impressive what it does, I'm using dldsr 2.25x (4k) and dlss quality on this game, and on CD I was doing the same, same as 1440p dlaa however the image quality is so much better
CD had the same fps, this one has a bit less fps but still not enough to matter, especially turning on fg 2x

[obsidian dock]

I’ll check out skill up and acg review

[tranquil zenith]

you don't have to watch reviews done by big companies, there's a lot of other people out there

[pliant sage]

If you like games like Uncharted, Indiana Jones, etc. I think you'd enjoy this.

[obsidian dock]

Gotcha

[foggy needle]

I’d say big companies are better than doc 😂. Jokes aside maybe check out skillups review

[tranquil zenith]

man I want uncharted 5 so bad

[pliant sage]

Same but I aint buying a ps for it. Sony isnt getting my money again until they change their stance on pc.

[obsidian dock]

I don’t buy a game based on what doc says it’s just when I saw his stream game looked quite boring but I guess he was just in tutorial section

[brisk needle]

if someones gonna do that I recommend listening to it, I heard that skillup review has some spoilers

[foggy needle]

Game has a slow start. But picks pretty fast after the early chapters. If you like character and world building the first chapters are a blast.

[foggy needle]

Heavy set piece spoilers. I’d agree.

[obsidian dock]

I gotcha. I run benchmark and comparison channel myself so I guess I’ll buy and put out a video or something and see if the games hooks me in

[tough granite]

The games environment and character rendering reminds me heavily of Remedy’s games

[vestal dragon]

I was thinking the same thing lol. I’ve only played the first chapter, but when I was in an interior, I thought damn, this looks like a Remedy game

[tough granite]

I know right??? Hahaha

Moneypenny and cressida are hot as fuckkkkk

[obsidian dock]

Is path tracing not in the game currently ?

[fresh lance]

so what HDR settings do I need to use to obtain 800 nits on my LG?

[frank violet]

No

[grizzled flicker]

yes, it'll be avaiable during summer period

[frank violet]

Well, so far a bit of ghosting (even without fg), and the DoF is a bit annoying, but, game is fun so far so its manageable

do I have to force preset L or M? ITs so blurry but I just turn on dlss debug and it seems to be using K for dlss quality?

[tranquil zenith]

if not forcing anything it probably uses K ye

[pliant sage]

Yes. If it's on recommended which is default then it uses preset k with dlaa and quality

Preset L only gets used with ultra performance

So you need to force it on any higher upscaling

[frank violet]

Which you guys use with dlss quality? L or M?

[tranquil zenith]

personally use M with quality

[pliant sage]

L. I avoid M. It's too sharp imo.

[weary tusk]

My max nits goes to 3000 somethimes, I have hdr set to 200 and film grain enabled how?

When I set hdr brightness to 1250 it caps at 1250?

[tranquil zenith]

some people like L more

[pliant sage]

L is more demanding tho

[tranquil zenith]

you'll probably have to check them both and see which you like more

[frank violet]

Personal preference tho then, thanks, I'll check it then 🙂

[weary tusk]

Help how to get probeer hdr in this game.

I enabled film grain. Ut the max nits is going above 3000+ nits only when I set hdr brightness to 1250 in game but it stays locked at 1250 then

[drowsy mirage]

How do you enable rtx hdr? Can't see the game in nvidia app

[zinc fossil]

you don't

[drowsy mirage]

I can't or I shouldn't?

[tranquil zenith]

I have to disable film grain for the nits to go up

shouldn't

[zinc fossil]

the question is why would you?

it has native HDR and musa is working on a mod to improve it

[tranquil zenith]

I feel like RTX HDR is for SDR content that you wanna kinda convert is it not

and imo always looks worse

[frank violet]

So yeah, ghosting is gone, it was preset K

[drowsy mirage]

I found the native hdr implementation lacking and confusing.
Do you play with it on?

[tranquil zenith]

preset K used to ghost like crazy on a lot of games yeah, ghosting has been way less ever since 4.5

[zinc fossil]

I haven't played yet but I would wait until musa has a mod ready

[drowsy mirage]

And what setting should you use with 1000 nits if i may ask?

[zinc fossil]

with RTX HDR you would lose details

[drowsy mirage]

Alrighty

[tranquil zenith]

I got my ingame set to 180 now, I tend to set paperwhite to 180 in reno for my games but honestly dunno if it's the right setting for this game

with the mod it might be easier to find the proper settings

[zinc fossil]

the right setting is whatever looks good to you and your environment

[drowsy mirage]

So the setting ingame is paper white and not peak brightness?

[tranquil zenith]

yeah and atm I cannot find the one that looks right lmao

[zinc fossil]

yea

[drowsy mirage]

Got ya

[tranquil zenith]

whatever I put it to feels like it's not really what I want haha

[cedar whale]

Im getting a wierd bug, whenever I enable HDR or change from 2.2 to sRGB frame gen stops working

[frank violet]

did you guys turn off film grain? chrome aberration? fullscreen blur? radial blur?
oh fullscreen/radial blur says it might affect gameplay?!?

[tranquil zenith]

as of right now I still have radial blur and wobble distortion on

but the rest I turned off

[wicked wasp]

I would at least keep contextual stuff like radial blur, motion blur, and wobble distortion on

[brisk needle]

I only have the motion blur turned off thats at the top, playing around with chromatic aberration, but will prolly turn that off too

[tranquil zenith]

ngl I am thinking of turning off radial blur though as I'm not much of a fan of the edges of the screen being blurry

[frank violet]

I left radial/fullscreen blur and wobble distorion on, all rest is off, basically I left those that says it affects gameplay on

[tranquil zenith]

sometimes I'm looking at something that's near the edge and it just kinda blurs it

really wish depth of field was a toggle tho, that one annoys me a lot

[frank violet]

same, I guess if we could turn that off, the other blur wouldn't be as bad

[radiant tundra]

radial blur absolutely destroyed visibility for me playing in 21:9, probably only works as intended for 16:9 screens lol

[quaint oriole]

anyone else thought he was talking to his "mom" at first, that accent is thick lol

[tranquil zenith]

I am on 16:9 yes and it is definitely just like, the edges, but it's still enough to where I start moving my screen to pull things out of the blur to look at them

[radiant tundra]

definitely worth turning off imo, I'm gonna try and figure out what the other distortions affect gameplay wise and decide if I want them on or off

[tranquil zenith]

playing this after watching dexter original sin is weird lmao, he talks so different

[tranquil zenith]

motion blur, film grain and chromatic aberration aren't really gameplay related but more so just effects, the wobble distortion I'm not sure where that really comes in and idk what the full screen blur would be

[daring timber]

Guys is anything out yet?

[tranquil zenith]

no reno mod yet no

[vestal dragon]

musa is on it

[daring timber]

Ok 👌🏻

[radiant tundra]

yeah I meant the full screen blur and wobble, I imagine it's for when you're about to get knocked out in a fist fight

whole screen goes red and wobbles about

[tranquil zenith]

probably, fullscreen blur though does not sound like something I ever really want lol

[weary tusk]

But when I disable film grain nits doesn't go above 600 nits? My hdr is 1250 nits in windows calibration.

Of I enable film grain it goes above 3000 nits somethimes, what's the best setting now?

[tranquil zenith]

film grain is weird ye

for me it is literally the opposite for some reason with my nits capping if I enable film grain

[frank violet]

Yeah, I usually don't care about film grain, but in this game is too strong, had to turn it off, that is the reason I was asking

[weary tusk]

When I turn it off my nits won't go above 500 😂 weird game man

Hopefully they fix it or renoxd is out by then 😂

[frank violet]

Yeah hahaha

[tranquil zenith]

how are we getting opposite results lmao

[wicked wasp]

got lazy but now i'm actually working on it

[signal sinew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEI

just had club map scene

[prime moon]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-ralph-wiggum-money-slot-eat-gif-26119165

feed musa

[fresh lance]

Am I crazy or the camera sensitivity is uncomfortable as hell. Using TMR gamesir G7 pro

[quaint oriole]

lower the deadzones

[olive marten]

I just woke up, is the mod up ?

[brisk needle]

.

[tough granite]

So what RT features does the game have at launch?

I know PT is coming later in the summer. My guess is August

[obsidian dock]

From what I read online the engine has software based RT

RTGI is built in Glacier engine

And shadows

[tough granite]

Yeah the RTGI is really nice I thought so

[zinc fossil]

So no hardware RT at all atm?

[obsidian dock]

No hardware RT

[zinc fossil]

shame

[obsidian dock]

I thought path tracing would come out with the game. That’s why I’m holding back until it releases

[modest jasper]

Yo guys is the mod out yet? also i think no pt right now?

[brisk needle]

no and yes

pt in summer

[wicked wasp]

@prime moon

they use upgradetonemap()

sort of

[prime moon]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[modest jasper]

Damn it i dont thknk i will play twice

maybe i need to waity

[prime moon]

isn't this EA?

[brisk needle]

i mean, I think the already looks amazing as is

[queen jolt]

Just seen this thread, is it available yet?

[prime moon]

hmm, IO

[modest jasper]

i already bought the game. I mean just that i want HDR and PT

[brisk needle]

I love PT, but dont think its worth waiting for personally

[modest jasper]

the whole pkg

[prime moon]

should be the Hitman 3 devs

[modest jasper]

yeah maybe i will play then 100% summer

[queen jolt]

The hdr doesn’t look too bad on my g5 with my own settings etc.. but I can tell it’s not true hdr

But this game man wow

Fucking amazing

[modest jasper]

giving me uncharted vibe

[wicked wasp]

ya i used upgradetonemap in the mod originally, also had 2.2 correction in the mod

[brisk needle]

yeah same, it looks good to me too, even tho I have film grain on

[queen jolt]

I’ve been using some guy called everydayoled settings

It’s crazy good

[queen tartan]

Will the Reno mod be released today, beautiful?

[queen jolt]

Same question

also eid Mubarak Musa

[wicked wasp]

float GetPostChainMergeHDRScale() {
  return max((cbPostChainMerge.vHDRParams.y - cbPostChainMerge.vHDRParams.x), cbPostChainMerge.vHDRParams.z) / cbPostChainMerge.vHDRParams.z;
}

float GetPostChainMergeFilmWhiteClip() {
  return max(GetPostChainMergeHDRScale() + -1.0f, cbPostChainMerge.fFilmWhiteClip);
}

float ApplyPostChainMergeFilmTonemapChannel(
    float untonemapped,
    float toe_start,
    float toe_range,
    float toe_exponent_scale,
    float shoulder_start,
    float shoulder_width,
    float shoulder_white,
    float shoulder_range,
    float shoulder_exponent_scale,
    float mid_range,
    bool invert_mid_range,
    float black_level,
    bool use_toe_linear_interp) {
  float log_value = log2(untonemapped) * 0.3010300099849701f;
  float linear_value = ((log_value + 0.7329999804496765f) * cbPostChainMerge.fFilmSlope) + 0.18000000715255737f;
  float toe_delta = log_value - toe_start;
  float toe_value = select((log_value < toe_start), ((toe_range / (exp2(toe_exponent_scale * toe_delta) + 1.0f)) - cbPostChainMerge.fFilmBlackClip), linear_value);
  float mid_blend = saturate(toe_delta / mid_range);
  float film_blend = select(invert_mid_range, (1.0f - mid_blend), mid_blend);
  float shoulder_value = select((log_value > shoulder_start), (shoulder_white - (shoulder_range / (exp2(shoulder_exponent_scale * (log_value - shoulder_start)) + 1.0f))), linear_value);
  float tonemapped = select((untonemapped < 1.0000000036274937e-15f), black_level, (((film_blend * film_blend) * (shoulder_value - toe_value)) * (3.0f - (film_blend * 2.0f))) + toe_value);

  if (use_toe_linear_interp) {
    return (saturate(exp2(log2(untonemapped / cbPostChainMerge.fFilmToeLinearInterp) * 0.6000000238418579f)) * (tonemapped - untonemapped)) + untonemapped;
  }

  return tonemapped;
}

float3 ApplyPostChainMergeFilmTonemap(float3 untonemapped) {
  float film_white_clip = GetPostChainMergeFilmWhiteClip();
  float toe_start = ((0.8199999928474426f - cbPostChainMerge.fFilmToe) / cbPostChainMerge.fFilmSlope) + -0.7329999804496765f;
  float toe_width = (1.0f - cbPostChainMerge.fFilmToe) + cbPostChainMerge.fFilmBlackClip;
  float toe_range = toe_width * 2.0f;
  float toe_exponent_scale = ((cbPostChainMerge.fFilmSlope * -2.0f) / toe_width) * 1.4426950216293335f;
  float shoulder_start = ((cbPostChainMerge.fFilmShoulder + -0.18000000715255737f) / cbPostChainMerge.fFilmSlope) + -0.7329999804496765f;
  float shoulder_width = (1.0f - cbPostChainMerge.fFilmShoulder) + film_white_clip;
  float shoulder_white = film_white_clip + 1.0f;
  float shoulder_range = shoulder_width * 2.0f;
  float shoulder_exponent_scale = ((cbPostChainMerge.fFilmSlope * 2.0f) / shoulder_width) * 1.4426950216293335f;
  float mid_range = shoulder_start - toe_start;
  bool invert_mid_range = (shoulder_start < toe_start);
  float black_level = -0.0f - cbPostChainMerge.fFilmBlackClip;
  bool use_toe_linear_interp = (cbPostChainMerge.fFilmToeLinearInterp > 0.0f);

  return float3(
      ApplyPostChainMergeFilmTonemapChannel(untonemapped.x, toe_start, toe_range, toe_exponent_scale, shoulder_start, shoulder_width, shoulder_white, shoulder_range, shoulder_exponent_scale, mid_range, invert_mid_range, black_level, use_toe_linear_interp),
      ApplyPostChainMergeFilmTonemapChannel(untonemapped.y, toe_start, toe_range, toe_exponent_scale, shoulder_start, shoulder_width, shoulder_white, shoulder_range, shoulder_exponent_scale, mid_range, invert_mid_range, black_level, use_toe_linear_interp),
      ApplyPostChainMergeFilmTonemapChannel(untonemapped.z, toe_start, toe_range, toe_exponent_scale, shoulder_start, shoulder_width, shoulder_white, shoulder_range, shoulder_exponent_scale, mid_range, invert_mid_range, black_level, use_toe_linear_interp));
}

  // modified HDR UE Filmic tonemap
  _88 = GetPostChainMergeHDRScale();
  _95 = _88 + -1.0f;
  float3 film_tonemapped = ApplyPostChainMergeFilmTonemap(float3(_125, _126, _127));
  _195 = film_tonemapped.x;
  _240 = film_tonemapped.y;
  _285 = film_tonemapped.z;

  // vignette start
  _302 = min(((cbPostChainMerge.vParams2.x * _33.w) + ((cbPostChainMerge.fRcpMappedWhitePoint * (((cbPostChainMerge.vVignetteParams.x + -1.0f) * _33.z) + 1.0f)) * _195)), _88);
  _303 = min(((cbPostChainMerge.vParams2.y * _33.w) + ((cbPostChainMerge.fRcpMappedWhitePoint * (((cbPostChainMerge.vVignetteParams.y + -1.0f) * _33.z) + 1.0f)) * _240)), _88);
  _304 = min(((cbPostChainMerge.vParams2.z * _33.w) + ((cbPostChainMerge.fRcpMappedWhitePoint * (((cbPostChainMerge.vVignetteParams.z + -1.0f) * _33.z) + 1.0f)) * _285)), _88);

  // maxch compression for lut
  _307 = max(_302, max(_303, _304));
  _308 = max(1.0f, _307);
  _309 = _302 / _308;
  _310 = _303 / _308;
  _311 = _304 / _308;
  _315 = saturate(_95);
  _319 = saturate((_307 - _315) / (_88 - _315));
  _326 = (_319 * (saturate(_302) - _309)) + _309;
  _327 = (_319 * (saturate(_303) - _310)) + _310;
  _328 = (_319 * (saturate(_304) - _311)) + _311;
  _329 = dot(float3(_326, _327, _328), float3(0.2125999927520752f, 0.7152000069618225f, 0.0722000002861023f));

  // srgb encode + lut sample
  _354 = _326 * 12.920000076293945f;
  _355 = _327 * 12.920000076293945f;
  _356 = _328 * 12.920000076293945f;
  _380 = srvColorCorrectionVolume.SampleLevel(samplerLinearClampNode, float3(((saturate((((-0.054999999701976776f - _354) + (exp2(log2(abs(_326)) * 0.4166666567325592f) * 1.0549999475479126f)) * float((bool)(uint)(_326 > 0.0031308000907301903f))) + _354) * 0.9375f) + 0.03125f), ((saturate((((-0.054999999701976776f - _355) + (exp2(log2(abs(_327)) * 0.4166666567325592f) * 1.0549999475479126f)) * float((bool)(uint)(_327 > 0.0031308000907301903f))) + _355) * 0.9375f) + 0.03125f), ((saturate((((-0.054999999701976776f - _356) + (exp2(log2(abs(_328)) * 0.4166666567325592f) * 1.0549999475479126f)) * float((bool)(uint)(_328 > 0.0031308000907301903f))) + _356) * 0.9375f) + 0.03125f)), 0.0f);

  // itm (diff the pre maxch and post maxch scaled colors)
  _386 = exp2(log2(dot(float3(_302, _303, _304), float3(0.2125999927520752f, 0.7152000069618225f, 0.0722000002861023f)) / select((_329 > 0.0f), _329, 1.0f)) * 0.4545454680919647f);
  _390 = cbPostChainMerge.vHDRParams.x * 0.009999999776482582f;
  _398 = (pow(cbPostChainMerge.vHDRParams.w, 0.4545454680919647f));
  _399 = _398 * ((_386 * _380.x) + _390);
  _400 = _398 * ((_386 * _380.y) + _390);
  _401 = _398 * ((_386 * _380.z) + _390);

messy cause I wanna rewrite the code as human readable using defines for permutations

[queen jolt]

Daaaamn

Too much to process 🤣

[weary tusk]

More people think the game has a lot of graphical glitches, for fg shimmering or other problems, and even without frame gen a lot of shadow problems etc

[wicked wasp]

Eid Mubarak

[daring timber]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-big-gif-21053844

[wicked wasp]

Got lucky and they’re closed so I can continue modding

[queen jolt]

Way ahead brother, that got sorted

[prime moon]

fFilmSlope means they actually did steal it

[daring timber]

Wait did you write this code Musa? Is this how much it takes to make this mod??

[wicked wasp]

ya it's modified

[wicked wasp]

that's their original shader run through a decompiler that I split up into functions, then I have to rewrite it into a more human readable form

[zinc fossil]

human readable form

ha

[wicked wasp]

@prime moon I originally did maxch tonemap and then upgradetonemap in hitman i'm pretty sure

[daring timber]

Is it just me or are there many here waiting for musa mod to start playing?

[wicked wasp]

so the same as what they did

[queen jolt]

Out of curiosity do you reckon it’ll be done tonight or most likely tomorrow

[wicked wasp]

tonight for sure

[queen jolt]

Might delay my play through since I got home

Just before

Only played an hr or so of it

[wicked wasp]

the hdr is pretty good since they might have taken code from the hitman 3 mod, i think filmgrain on is messed up though

[queen jolt]

Yeah that’s what I thought, hdr isn’t too bad

Not the worst

[weary tusk]

Would he dope, hopefully we can disable film grain and have correct peak brightness with you're renoxd mod

[wicked wasp]

if you disable film grain now the base hdr should be good

so you could just use shortfuse's film grain

[queen jolt]

How do I implement this short fuse on to the game?

[weary tusk]

It caps nits to under 600 for me?

Also hopefully you're renoxd mod fixes hdr and framegen

[queen jolt]

Is there a link

[weary tusk]

For some reason with hdr and frame gen there is problems with the ui text subtitles etc

[queen jolt]

Damn you use framegen?

[weary tusk]

Hdr disabled there is no problem

[queen jolt]

The fps is decent on this game

[wicked wasp]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/reshade-shaders/blob/main/Shaders/ShortFuseFilmGrain.fx

[queen jolt]

Depends on your rig tbh

I’m getting 100-120fps 4k maxed out with dlss quality

[wicked wasp]

it'll reach user peak in the mod tonihgt

[weary tusk]

Got a 4090 but want to do 4k 144hz all the time without dropping to performance or ultra performance

[queen jolt]

Bro same here

[prime moon]

it would scale clipped/max channel, which isn't exactly the same,

[queen jolt]

Framegen is overkill on this game.. no?

[prime moon]

neutwo max channel instead of hard clipped-max channel is better

[queen jolt]

100-116fps is more than enough for this type of game

[wicked wasp]

extend tm -> maxch tonemap -> sample lut -> upgradetonemap is exactly what I did in hitman 3 in an older version of the mod I'm pretty sure

[weary tusk]

No without dlss peerormance /ultra performance you don't get 44k 144hz.

[prime moon]

yeah, but this isn't tonemap, this is just sample lut with max channel instead of ... something

[wicked wasp]

and they extend the filmic tm by messing with the shoulder

[weary tusk]

Yeah but I'm streaming it with moonlight and I like to reach my hz then.

[queen jolt]

Ahh I see, do you get way less when streaming it with moonlight

[wicked wasp]

ya maxch compression

the diffing by luminance is sus

[prime moon]

but it should already be to 1.0

because it's per channel UE-ish

[wicked wasp]

they upgraded ue's tm to hdr

[vestal dragon]

Well, if you have a high refresh rate monitor, why not smooth out the image even more

[queen jolt]

Thanks bro

[weary tusk]

Around 10% performance loss while streaming not that big

[queen jolt]

Frame gen lowkey ruins the picture quality and introduces ghosting

[weary tusk]

For this game and hdr enabled yes,

But for a lot of games it works great

[prime moon]

this is actually closer to what i did in starfield for lut, which was do HDR to user peak, then max channel, then lut sample back, but not ITM. assuming they did HDR to peak

[weary tusk]

This game for some reason is bad with frame gen and hdr enabled together for some weird reason, with hdr disabled it's all fine

[queen jolt]

I’d only ever use framegen when using path tracing etc

[prime moon]

not sure why they would need ITM if they're scaling and unscaling

[queen jolt]

Like for requiem or cp2077

[prime moon]

honestly doesn't make sense to do max channel in / max-channel out

[weary tusk]

@wicked wasp will you're mod also fix hdr and framegen you think?

[weary tusk]

Yeah okay I get it 🙂

[vestal dragon]

Hmmm, for me, it really doesn’t do that much. You have to look really hard to spot the differences, especially when the base frame rate is already high. But in this game, ghosting is definitely more noticeable than in others.

[queen jolt]

See what I mean

I’m sensitive to that shiddd🤣

[vestal dragon]

i get i get it

[queen jolt]

Crimson wasn’t too bad when using frame gen thou

[vestal dragon]

im not like that

[queen jolt]

That suprisngly looked good

[wicked wasp]

i'll have to see if it's possible after i finish with the hdr stuff

[vestal dragon]

if i look for sure ill find something, but i just dont think about it

[weary tusk]

For this game frame gen is bad

Never saw something bad

[queen jolt]

I assume you’re using an lg oled right?

[weary tusk]

Philips 810 oled, it's basically a lg c5 same panel 77 inch

[vestal dragon]

yeah, in this game for sure you can see it easily. i dont know why

[weary tusk]

It's more for me the text ui and some in game stuff is just glirchjng for some weird reason when hdr is also enabled

[queen jolt]

Ahh okay, was going to send you killer settings

[queen jolt]

For your tv

If you had one

[vestal dragon]

with preset b? i have only played the 1st chapter so i didnt play that much yet

[weary tusk]

Ah okay sad haha. But tbh tv looks kinda neat don't know if lg has this?

But I can make different profiles

With different settings

And just switch it easy

[queen jolt]

Bro the settings I found yeah, changed the whole game 🤣😭

[weary tusk]

Haven't touched the frame gen preset would it fix it you think?

[queen jolt]

Niceeee

[wicked wasp]

i think most plausible explanation is cause I used to use upgradetonemap with maxch tonemap

[vestal dragon]

maybe? preset B is design for HUD elements

[queen jolt]

It doesn’t

[prime moon]

so i'm assuming 0 bt2020?

[weary tusk]

Sad, I realy love it have like 10 profiles.

Some more vibrancy, some more native colour warmth, some less vibrancy etc I just choose what looks best for each game 🙂

[queen jolt]

This picture doesn’t do it justice

[queen jolt]

That’s lit bro

[weary tusk]

What tv is it lg g5?

[queen jolt]

Yeahh bro

48’ thou

[wicked wasp]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/2cbefc27d9fd9e83a7ce4849fbe3ddefe146ada0/src/games/hitmanwoa/common.hlsli

  float3 sdr_tonemapped = ToneMapMaxCLL(hdr_tonemapped);

  float3 lutted = SampleGamma2LUT16(lut_texture, lut_sampler, sdr_tonemapped);
  float3 upgraded = renodx::tonemap::UpgradeToneMap(hdr_tonemapped, sdr_tonemapped, lutted, RENODX_COLOR_GRADE_STRENGTH, 0.f);

it's similar to my old code

too similar

to be a coincidence

and considering they plagiaried UE filmic tonemap

i'm sure they saw the mod

it's good though

[prime moon]

nah, there's some botching here, unless you botched it too

they do a scaling down by max channel, and then take the luminance of that

which isn't original luminance

[wicked wasp]

they take luminance of both before and after maxch scaling

and diff them and use that diff to scale up lutted

that's upgradetonemap

[ebon sinew]

what if renodx is credited

[prime moon]

what if renodx copyright strikes

[wicked wasp]

would there even be enough to copyright strike

I guess upgradetonemap itself is the only copyrightable thing

cause everything else is kind of just intuitive

[prime moon]

but it's not because upgrade tonemap is really additive Y, and some scaling Y, i guess

[clever tapir]

Morning, is reno up yet

[wicked wasp]

ya they don't need to do any of the fancier stuff with upgradetonemap

since the maxch is just compressing highlights

[modest jasper]

Should I set hdr brightness to max right now?

Not sure what this option means peak or paper white

[wicked wasp]

it's paper white

[modest jasper]

Sg

[prime moon]

also, imagine stealing and not stealing tetrahedral sampling on 16x16x16 luts

[wicked wasp]

ya

they at least changed the lut sampling to be like reno

they used to sample the lutbuilder in linear

in hitman 3

1 and 2 did gamma 2

then inside of the lutbuilder it would just convert to srgb anyway

so i changed it to be srgb

[prime moon]

also scaling luminance by a pow scale is weird, since max channel is a linear operation (division is inverse multiplication which is linear)

[wicked wasp]

ya

[prime moon]

watch out for screwed up blues, because the scaling is going to uh, underscaled or over

[wicked wasp]

if they fix whatever issue the game has with film grain on it's among best hdr of the year

as in its functional

[prime moon]

max channel normalize can be rough, so i'm testing some blues to see

yeah, on vanilla you input bright blue and get some weak 25-40% result back. upgrade tonemap gives you back 100% blue on a neutral LUT.

[wicked wasp]

the pics of re4

with the fucked up gradient

[prime moon]

key is apparently _319 = saturate((_307 - _315) / (_88 - _315));

[steep cedar]

doubt.

I will investigate

[steep cedar]

the stuff they took cannot be copyrighted

a division by max channel

[wicked wasp]

Ya

[steep cedar]

and a multiplication by luminance ratio

[wicked wasp]

They don’t do the fancy stuff in upgradetonemap

It’s generic enough

[steep cedar]

the filmic UE tonemap is much worse though

[wicked wasp]

Ya that’s straight up plagiarism

[steep cedar]

UE license doesn't allow that

[tranquil zenith]

why credit when u can just steal for free

[queen jolt]

This the one I been waiting on 👀👀👀

[steep cedar]

i think it's kind of an honour this time

[prime moon]

eep

this is max channel 5, which is ~1000/203

hsv but still

[steep cedar]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 HDR is based on Prey Luma code too

didn't credit

[prime moon]

t = _319

@wicked wasp

[tranquil zenith]

there might not be no credit to reno and stuff, but wherever you go where people are talking about HDR people are talking about reno

[steep cedar]

users and devs live in completely different worlds.

[prime moon]

yeah, the stolen variable names is lazy lazy

i mean, Epic might actually be able to talk trash

[steep cedar]

dangerous actually

[prime moon]

saying it stole UE code to avoid paying licensing fees

[tranquil zenith]

lmao a friend of mine worked on a game I played the other day and I asked about HDR since it just has no native HDR, and he said people on the team don't even know what HDR is

[steep cedar]

i went to a game dev event last week

nobody knew either

[tranquil zenith]

lmao

[prime moon]

High Definition Reflections of course!

[tranquil zenith]

the game dev world is weird, there's some that genuinely know a lot of stuff and then there's some where you wonder why they're working on games

[empty bear]

That's surprisingly accurate in most industries.

[tranquil zenith]

well yes fair

definitely had some jobs in different kinda places where I wondered how there was even any work getting done by the end of the day lol

[ebon sinew]

there are a lot of things to like about games that can draw people into the industry (lord knows nobody is doing it for the money). Rendering nerds are a super small subset.

now it's the venn diagram of display nerds and rendering nerds and you get people that know/care about HDR

[tranquil zenith]

the one place where some companies tend to put some people that don't actually really know what they're doing though, is in the matchmaking division

lot of people there who genuinely do not even understand their own code even when someone explains what mistakes they made

[prime moon]

the other problem is gamers are told refresh rate matters most

[ebon sinew]

but also with how overworked people are in the games industry it wouldn't surprise me if it basically requires devs to fall out of touch with the broader community

[prime moon]

i don't want to see 240 flashes of garbage a second

and to be fair, actual HDR is just not there. so you can buy an OLED and get garbage anyway

[tranquil zenith]

but ye I wouldn't really wanna be a game dev, especially nowadays when you see how they're just thrown out at every company

[prime moon]

pretty sure all movies/cinema is ITM as well

i got Prime Video to get "HDR" and i'm pretty sure if i did a comparison for The Boys in SDR/HDR it would be ITM

pretty sure i'm paying for ITM

[tranquil zenith]

you know what I hate, the fact that you can have a subscription to a streaming service that offers HDR, but then you need to have an apple tv or roku device to use it

no hdr on windows etc

[prime moon]

pirates win again

i have an LG C3 for my PC monitor, so i can LG's SmartTV webos

[zinc fossil]

yep

[tranquil zenith]

there have been so many movies where I can either watch it on prime which I pay for.... or watch it... somewhere else. and rarely is prime the better option

[zinc fossil]

ever since I started caring about audio and hdr

I cancelled all subscriptions

[tranquil zenith]

prime also tends to just not offer english subtitles on a lot of things just because english isn't our native language zzzz

[prime moon]

also, i'm pretty sure HDR on Amazon is just using PQ to force like 10/15 nits midgray

[timber tendon]

Engineers aren't known for aesthetics

[tranquil zenith]

tbh prime is kinda free for me as it comes with a twitch sub. So if I was gonna sub to someone anyway I might as well get prime

same price so

[prime moon]

you have to pay extra for the HDR now

[tranquil zenith]

I don't get it on windows anyway

and u gotta pay extra for no ads but I've never seen a single ad with ublock lol

[prime moon]

i watch in bed on my 55" C1, so i might acquire some content to compare SDR/HDR

[tranquil zenith]

ye we don't really have a tv worth watching on

we got some pretty old 1080p tv that someone once held a magnet to so it has this big discoloured patch on it 😂

[frosty mortar]

is there any way to fix hdr for movies? all christopher nolan movies have a raised black level

space shots in interstellar it’s especially noticeable

[tranquil zenith]

tbh something that also matters is what you're watching on, if it's netflix for example that compression alone will ruin the look of space lmao

[frosty mortar]

yeah i download remux 4ks and they’re full size of the disk so it’s like 80gb

and i put that on a local server and steam on my TV

[tranquil zenith]

4k movies are actually insane file size

[frosty mortar]

yeah ikr, having a local server is a must if you’re building a 4k collection

[strong gull]

Tag me if you find something.

[queen jolt]

Who needs to download when you can stream through it on stremio 👀

[carmine socket]

Lord of the rings return of the king 4k is like 200 gigs

131mbps bitrate, fire

[queen jolt]

I haven’t downloaded a single remux since finding out about kodi and stremio

[carmine socket]

^

[drifting pulsar]

@prime moon @wicked wasp noob devkit question - running devkit on 007 first light, snapshot shows only 8 draws, all Copy. Shader tracking works fine. I think there should be more than 8 or is it correct? Maybe you know what's up with it outright. Just playing with devkit. Thanks!

[tranquil zenith]

lmao ye I saw a post the other day of someone who had the lotr trilogy and I'm pretty sure they said it filled their entire hdd

[queen jolt]

RD has died thou, torbox is the new shebang

[prime moon]

disable fg

[carmine socket]

?

[queen jolt]

Ahh a fellow brother, you know huh 😂

[carmine socket]

rd works just fine

[queen jolt]

Real debrid

Nahh bro

Have you not heard?

[frosty mortar]

what is the quality like tho? i doubt it would be high bitrate

[queen jolt]

10/10 bro

[carmine socket]

heard what kek

[queen jolt]

I own Lord of the rings 4k blu ray

And there’s legit no difference

[wicked wasp]

enable the settings here under trace and restart

[queen jolt]

They’re infringing many files

So basically any new tv series such as the boys, daredevil

They won’t work

Some files work of course

But not all of them

Try it

The boys, any episode in season 5

[carmine socket]

where issue

[queen jolt]

4k Dolby vision?

[frosty mortar]

interesting, so they have remux versions on streamio? how is it even allowed

[queen jolt]

😂😂😂

[carmine socket]

yeah but not remux, only 15mbps bitrate or so

is it even out on bluray

[queen jolt]

All I gotta do is click play and boom

[carmine socket]

anyways doesn't really belong here broskis

[queen jolt]

The boys isn’t released on blu ray

[queen jolt]

Apologies

[queen jolt]

It’s all over their Reddit forums

Everyone having issues with rd

[weary tusk]

Switched from Rd to tb because their new filtering

[carmine socket]

skill issue i guess xd

[queen jolt]

This guy knows

Tb is a new beginning

[weary tusk]

Rd was great for those years, but those filtering where bad for some files like Web dl etc.

[queen jolt]

Yeah true, it mostly affects tv shows and movies that aren’t released on blu day

[weary tusk]

Only thing is tb has slower download speeds /not Consistent when I download a torrent from their site, can't get my max 2gb fiber most of the times Rd always did , probably they will keep working on it

[weary tusk]

Yes but tbh all movies are in the beginning web dl, bleuray comes out way later.

[queen jolt]

They’re quite new, and the more users they get.. the more they’ll improve

[queen jolt]

Exactly

[drifting pulsar]

frame generation is off, if that's what you meant

[frozen nebula]

There's also rewards associated with Twitch, and TikTok for extra freebies if y'all want btw.

[carmine socket]

whats the issue with filtering on rd?

[weary tusk]

I rather watch a movie web dl 4k dv then wait 4 more months to have the remux.

Idk had some buffering also with tb I hope they improve but half year ago there where also problems and then the traffic wasn't this big, so pets wait and see 🙂

[queen jolt]

Anything that isn’t remux, it won’t play 4k Dolby vision/hdr

[carmine socket]

ah yes gotta watch tiktok now xd

[drifting pulsar]

It crashes on snapshot after that 🙁 I compiled the devkit from main an hour ago

[weary tusk]

They are filtering all of these

Common blocked tags seem to include things like:

WEB-DL

WEBRip

AMZN

DSNP

YTS

TGX

RARBG

EZTV

[frozen nebula]

First game where I'm seeing it xD

[tranquil zenith]

tiktok drops? that's a new one

[frozen nebula]

Yeah

[wicked wasp]

ya I just had ai fix that real quick, use this devkit

[frozen nebula]

Might've been there for some weeb games.

[queen jolt]

Yo Musa, is the renodx for this game out, or you still working on it

[frozen nebula]

It's not out.

[carmine socket]

??

[wicked wasp]

working on it

[carmine socket]

not sure what yall are doing xd

[wicked wasp]

it'll be pinned once its ready

[queen jolt]

@carmine socket

[tough granite]

I feel it’s close!

I will be playing the game for the rest of the night. So my body is ready

I’ll add reshade and Reno once it’s upon us

Really annoying the game turns off hdr after each restart. And doesn’t keep your settings for it lol

[queen jolt]

I’m taking my merry time with this game, just got to the nightclub part

Really enjoying it, been a while since I’ve been hooked

[weary tusk]

Here haha?

[drifting pulsar]

confirm it works now, thanks!

[tranquil zenith]

so, all customisation options are just for the non main story mode right?

[carmine socket]

dunno, hasnt impacted me yet i guess, never had an issue finding anything in good quality

[tranquil zenith]

whatever the other mode thing is called

[queen jolt]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tranquil zenith]

outfits etc I know for a fact are only for the other mode but anyone know about the weapon skins and stuff?

[queen jolt]

Crazyyy

[queen jolt]

Needed a toilet break

[weary tusk]

Just love the ambylight that's the only reason I got a Philips otherwise I would have bought a lg haha

[brisk needle]

do we know how long u gotta watch for the code?

[frozen nebula]

No clue

No idea where on TikTok would you even watch it

I'm assuming they have a Twitch/YT style of gaming section or w/e.

[brisk needle]

yea prolly

[frozen nebula]

https://www.tiktok.com/live

[brisk needle]

might tell a friend to try getting a code if the watchtime is not that long

dont wanna download tiktok for some skins I'll never use, but then later on get fomo for no reason

[tranquil zenith]

I mean the skin doesn't seem all that crazy

[frozen nebula]

Where's the search option, bro?

[frozen nebula]

Yeah, and I am unlikely to ever use it either

I'm just a hoarder.

[burnt kestrel]

does preset L still have issues with ray tracing denoiser?

[frozen nebula]

Mental issues.

[brisk needle]

so real

[prime moon]

Did you hit ignore or abort? That's usually DLSS making resouces

[frozen nebula]

Bro, I shit you not (no pun intended). I searched 007 Live, and it loaded this.

Tbf, that is some James Bond level shit going on there.

[brisk needle]

very helpful

[frozen nebula]

Maybe it's instant?

[brisk needle]

cm just copy pasting this every single tweet

[drifting pulsar]

I clicked abort, didn't try ignore. @wicked wasp fixed it though in his devkit version, I assume he'll fix the upstream too once he does the game fix?

[tough granite]

Nightclub reminded me of Hitman contracts

The nightclub in the meat packing plant

[prime moon]

Abort means abort the application and crash

[tranquil zenith]

I mean biggest challenge will be figuring out how to even get to a tiktok stream of someone playing it lmao

[brisk needle]

i dont think its possible to even find someone ngl

[drifting pulsar]

Yeah I thought that debug assertion is fatal and would be UB to continue. I'll try to Ignore if I compile it again next time and see what happens. But it works well now with the patched devkit, so I'm unblocked playing with it

[modest jasper]

Game setting keep resetting the hdr toggle to off lol. Seems like none of the setting can be persist somehow

[opal pebble]

i think i technically have a tiktok account, but now i gotta figure out how to find someone that has content that unlocks this... how do (magnets?) it all work 🤔

[frozen nebula]

@brisk needle it's 3mins.

[frozen nebula]

Uh, do this.

• Search 007 First Light

Click on that top one.

And then click on Join, and join any stream for 3mins.

It'll show a bunch of streams to join.

[brisk needle]

Thanks!

[opal pebble]

1ty mate 🙏

fuck this makes me feel old

[frozen nebula]

This is literally how I make my money, and even then navigating TikTok feels dumb AF.

So, don't worry about it.

Twitch ones also farming.

A'ight, enough dilly dallying. Time to play the game.

[tranquil zenith]

on twitch for me, none of the drops popped up anywhere, no tracking nothing

if I look under drops there's nothing for the game

[frozen nebula]

https://www.twitch.tv/xqc

Watching him, as he showed up first.

[opal pebble]

argh, i know i have a tiktok acc bc my pw manager has a password saved... but no user name

[frozen nebula]

You can track progress here: https://www.twitch.tv/drops/inventory

[opal pebble]

all of the emails ive thought to try result in the new account creation process

[frozen nebula]

Try your phone number.

[opal pebble]

i know it doesnt rly matter but the idea of creating a second acc just bc i cant remember the deets for my first one are killing me lmao

[frozen nebula]

Might've used that.

[opal pebble]

ohhh

about a 100% chance i signed up on my phone so

good call

[tranquil zenith]

ye thing is, there is nothing there for 007 for me

[frozen nebula]

Oh shit.

Even when watching xQc?

[opal pebble]

even better lmao - once i hit the phone number login option, it just auto-logged in with my saved passkey even tho it didnt even mention a passkey option... 🤷

so still no idea what my login deets are but im in lmao

[tranquil zenith]

ye nothing, usually drops show up for me

[frozen nebula]

Sometimes Twitch struggles with tracking but there's not nearly enough the amount of traffic required to make it struggle rn on xQc's channel.

[frozen nebula]

This is how they get you!

[frozen nebula]

[silver reef]

i think you do get drops in xqc chat

[opal pebble]

the... event* banner thing from your screenshot doesnt show up for me

[tranquil zenith]

I'll just leave a stream playing, we'll see if it shows

[opal pebble]

i guess i just click a random stream for 3 mins and cross my fingies

the twitch ones are tracking for me, but the status isnt showing in the stream chatbox overlay or on the account tab - i have to go to the drops page and then it does show progress

how the infrastructure or wtv can be so inconsistent for literally the biggest live streaming service in the world 🤦‍♀️

[frozen nebula]

@smoky beacon don’t doubt me!

[nova bay]

asking for a friend, Gamma 2.2 or sRGB for this?

[opal pebble]

ok it works on the mobile app

i cant believe they got me to reinstall the mobile app

why do i even care about this fone skin

why do we do anything

[frozen nebula]

[opal pebble]

🫠

[inner seal]

smh 1600 messages and game isnt even out

[frozen nebula]

Nor mod.

[nova bay]

[tranquil zenith]

I mean, it's kinda out

[inner seal]

its not out until there is path tracing

[nova bay]

https://tenor.com/view/based-uh-hello-based-department-based-department-american-psycho-patrick-bateman-gif-22458382

[inner seal]

man I was gonna buy it but guess ill wait

[nova bay]

Same

Waiting for PT/ RR

[inner seal]

also looks like we require musa to fix bloom

[nova bay]

Yep

[inner seal]

I saw a laptop lighting up basically the whole screen lol

[honest terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evOlpsFdXM

decent upgrade but i think its good enough to play meow

[nova bay]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-12639877674493562634

[daring timber]

Guys is anything out yet?

[manic elm]

HDR doesnt look too bad to my untrained eyes imo.. whats everyone setting the game brightness to?

mine only goes up to 400 apparently

[halcyon star]

How long does it usually take for new games? I've been hearing a lot of people are upset with the current HDR

[tranquil zenith]

it's looking at your windows hdr calibration and caps it at that

but it's a paper white slider so I put mine to 180

or 181 I guess

[daring timber]

Some say it’s good some say it’s bad I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♂️

[manic elm]

oh duh. i need to re-do my calibration

[wicked wasp]

good but you have to turn film grain off or its broken

[daring timber]

Is there in game option to turn it off Musa?

[tough granite]

Holy shit the ending of the chess mission

This game uses software RT at launch and it’s better than most hardware RT solution imo

[smoky lava]

is there a standalone addon for shortfuse's perceptual film grain?

[wicked wasp]

yes

[manic elm]

whats wrong with film grain?

[weary tusk]

Off but then peak nits doesn't go above 500/600?

[frozen nebula]

'Tis fucking with peak brightness, I think.

[inland birch]

as of now you just set it like paperwhite and turn film grain off, right?

[frozen nebula]

Yeah, it's a very beautiful looking game. I mentioned that while not having PT at launch is annoying, it does help that the game looks great even without it.

[frozen nebula]

I'm playing it as is, everything enabled. Since I plan to add mod anyway.

PW is set to 200 rn, or maybe 250, I forget.

I didn't disable any effects, they all flow nicely. Game has a lot of character for it.

[clever tapir]

Hdr is disabled whenever i launch the game. Annoying

[frozen nebula]

Known bug, yes. Have to manually enable it each time for now.

They have acknowledged it.

[inland birch]

is frame gen like particularly rough in this game?

feels like more artifacts than normal

[brisk needle]

I personally only noticed artifacting in subtitles, kinda distracting ngl

Not sure why the game didnt launch with preset b frame gen supported properly

[frosty mortar]

i wonder if people will mod path tracing in before the devs if it’s possible

[blissful ledge]

i doubt its rly possible

there is a LOT of work on the dev side to support path tracing

u cant just mod it in with a few days of work

and i think we'll see the offical version within 2 months (i hope)

[keen sigil]

Hello, does the game look washed out even when turning the film grain off? It seems to lack contrast in my case

[inland birch]

it does seem to have a slight black floor raise

its not major though

[weak silo]

Guys what values should the hdr slider inside the game be set to?I have a lg g4 and it goes up to 1500 but it brightens everything like paper white setting, should it be on default 250 or is hdr completely broken?

[frozen nebula]

Leave slider at default, or 200-250 range.

And play the game like that. Peak brightness will go much higher, there’s no cap for it.

Or wait for mod.

[hybrid pendant]

shhhhhh

[coarse dagger]

Playing on PC with Dual Sense? You can use https://github.com/awalol/DS5Dongle with a Pico 2W to get haptic feedback and speaker working wireless btw.

[frozen nebula]

Don’t have pico, playing it wired.

Thanks for sharing, though. Appreciate it.

[wicked wasp]

Vanilla / RenoDX

just doing per channel lms with weighted hue correction like psycho

[inland birch]

holy crap

highlights exist

[wicked wasp]

Vanilla / WIP RenoDX

Vanilla / WIP RenoDX

[timber tendon]

Yay

[slim cobalt]

@wicked wasp check mi6 level after this first mission, looks lifted AF

[frozen nebula]

9000 nits

[wicked wasp]

off / renodx 1 / renodx 2

idk if i'll go with 1 or tweak 2 some more

renodx 1 / renodx 2

ya 2 is a better starting point for sure

[clever tapir]

Mod out now?

[frozen nebula]

2

[wicked wasp]

working on it

it'll be pinned when it's done

[ebon sinew]

what's the difference? I agree that 2 looks better

[wicked wasp]

1 is per channel lms with purity weighted hue correction
2 is luminance with per channel purity and then per channel display mapping on top

[remote idol]

2 looks nicer

[ebon sinew]

I still don't really get why luminance with per channel chrominance always looks better, I just know that it does

[prime moon]

2 might tint green

[wicked wasp]

ya it is that's why I'm adjusting

to take some hue from per channel

weighted inversely compared to how you do hue correctoin

[prime moon]

i have adaptive d65 for gamut compression pushed in WobbyLife

if you're doing LMS before LUT

blurple and yellowgreen shift a bit with it

[wicked wasp]

so purity gain will be less hue from per channel and purity loss will be more hue from per channel

I'll probably do it 0% at epsilon -> 50% at purity change 0 -> 100% at when the distance above purity change 0 equals the distance from epsilon to purity change 0

1 / 2

ok it shouldn't be this different
1 / 2

[chrome cove]

Yes. It’s simply how our eyes work. We perceive brightness (luminance) much more than color detail (chrominance) so when these guys work to fix the image pipelines on these games and get the luminance and per channel color in line, our eyes profit. ( I think I got that right)

[wicked wasp]

wait i messed up

[slim cobalt]

lights on 1 look more realistic

[wicked wasp]

ya I messed that up

its fixed now

1 / 2

[prime moon]

you're going to have to look for some carlights or flames

[wicked wasp]

gonna have 3 tonemappers

[prime moon]

orange is going to basically be the difference

[wicked wasp]

vanilla / renodx

vanilla / renodx (enhanced) / renodx (purist) will be the options

[timber tendon]

thanks for including that!

[wicked wasp]

vanilla / renodx enhanced

this is pretty different

[hybrid pendant]

i kind of like that blueish with 1

[wicked wasp]

i'm compressing to bt709 though and not doing compression / decompression for the lut

so I need to add that

[prime moon]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/57d1e2628016efcd4282ffeb9988d0f133794f1a/src/games/wobblylife/common.hlsli#L71

see if it fixes blue => blurple => white

the fact i see no blue in weird though

[wicked wasp]

ok unclamped gamut

looking good now

still need to get that post process shader with chromatic aberration, film grain, etc

[neon frost]

https://tenor.com/view/im-here-opening-chair-cool-gif-13751765

hyped

[sly sand]

quick wip upload here before u sleep?

[remote idol]

have some patience 🤦‍♂️

[wicked wasp]

too messy

some stuff is broken

i'm not sleeping

[slim cobalt]

did you notice any issues with raised blacks? do they use different luts depending on the level? i saw some level seems to have much higher blakc level compared to others. even in interiors with no atmo or smoke

[limpid lantern]

the native hdr is alright yet a lot of things are broken? thats strange lol

[wicked wasp]

haven't beaten the first level yet

[wicked wasp]

flim grain on is broken

film grain off is functional but doesn't get very bright

looks good though

[grizzled flicker]

Film grain off shouldn’t be better? I’m speaking in general not only for this game

[smoky lava]

it shouldn't impact HDR

like it does here

[grizzled flicker]

Right but turning it off we don’t lose so much, isn’t?

[smoky lava]

I like film grain

whether u do or don't is up to you

in this game it just messes up the highlights crazy style, so don't really have a choice for now

[wicked wasp]

seems like the lut is too strong for the gamut compression/decompression

[clever bloom]

Hello everyone,

Sorry, I’m French, so it’s a bit complicated to follow the discussion without translating every single message one by one XD

When will RenoDX be available for 007?

Anyway, thanks to whoever is working on it. I’m waiting for it to release before I start playing the game!

[wicked wasp]

some time in the middle of the night

working on it rn

[golden shard]

fr

[clever bloom]

Awesome, thank you guys! Can’t wait!

[wicked wasp]

so running tonemapper just adds too much saturation compared to in bt709

skin becomes too saturated

[restive tree]

just woke up, thought I will be playing with the mod

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HI8KaBgWsAAKeox.webp

[clever bloom]

I guess it’s nighttime where Musa lives. If he’s in the USA, it’s probably around 2:42 AM there, so that makes sense. Here in France it’s 8:42 AM, so if that’s the case, it should arrive sometime this morning for us Europeans 😄

[grave bluff]

Can HDR with Frame gen ghosting bug be fixed with this mod, like Silent Hill 2 Remake?

[foggy needle]

Everyone wants multiple fixes. Patience is virtue. 🙏

[timber tendon]

I'm guessing others have noticed that the game starts in SDR on second boot for some reason, even though it started correctly the first boot

happened third time too

i'm using reshade if that matters

[restive tree]

It happens every time with or without reshade

[zinc fossil]

Dude musa needs to go to sleep lol

Is he still working on it?

[limpid lantern]

slaving away in the dynamic mines

[frank violet]

tiktok drops? I don't even have tiktok

[obsidian dock]

Preset L hogs fps in this game. About 20 percent fps loss compared to preset K

[zinc fossil]

which GPU?

[obsidian dock]

5090

https://youtu.be/nc65xP5VhAE?si=g_mnYc66qmuZA9sg

[fresh lance]

The game doesn't show up in my Nvidia app. Anyone else with that problem? Trying to set DLSS to preset L

[obsidian dock]

I compared my video with others on YouTube and also tested preset K

[obsidian dock]

I forced it through profile inspector

It’s not optimized for preset L 1 percent lows are so bad for preset L and M

[fresh lance]

Also already talked about it but I'm getting furious 😂 anyone else thinking the camera sensitivity is awful? Hitman was always perfect to me on the same controller 😅

[obsidian dock]

Yup it’s bad

[fresh lance]

Also I need a FOV slider cause I hate being that close to Bond

[limpid lantern]

yeeep the fov is so so bad

[kindred mantle]

Depends on the internal res. Presets L/M scale with internal res, while K doesn't. There will be a bigger performance gap between L and K at DLAA vs DLSS Performance

[obsidian dock]

Yeah with DLAA performance gap is more

I tested preset L DLAA with DLAA preset K. In the same scene 95 fps vs 65 fps, never seen this big of difference in other games

[kindred mantle]

Are you at 4k?

[obsidian dock]

Yes 4K

[kindred mantle]

That seems about right but I don't have a 4k display. 4k internal res is insanely expensive with new presets

[radiant tundra]

so what's the consensus on the best preset?

[obsidian dock]

Preset K for now

[kindred mantle]

DLSS upscaling doesn't net much performance in this game for some reason while FSR does

[radiant tundra]

cool cool, I was running L last night and felt a bit sluggish compared to what I'd usually expect ngl

[obsidian dock]

I don’t think this game is optimized for preset L and M 1 percent lows are horrible on those

[obsidian dock]

Yeah 1 % lows are horrific on new presets

[obsidian dock]

That too I have noticed

[robust venture]

my 1% lows are great, if I turn framegen on.

[neon frost]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-bobby-king-of-the-hill-incense-spiritual-gif-17334906726603736392

[void crow]

Guys, the HDR in 007 is absolute trash, and it doesn't even have ray tracing

[neon frost]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-car-crash-gif-9388562661726532947

[zinc fossil]

lmao

[wicked wasp]

Gonna nap and get back to it

In like 2.5 hours

[zinc fossil]

Dude

[wicked wasp]

Ok it’s supposed to be 90 minute intervals

So 3 hour nap

[zinc fossil]

get some proper sleep man we can wait

sleep tight

[rigid salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/tight-tuco-breaking-bad-gif-7215689

[drowsy mirage]

You all also got noise issues with preset L? Anyone know how to disable ingame denoiser to hopefully fix it just like in the df video?

[smoky lava]

The noise is there at Native without dlss as well

No way around it unfortunately

Unless you’re talking about something different than what I noticed

[kindred mantle]

I'm using preset M, but it generally looks way more stable than K in this game

[smoky lava]

I never bother with K but M/L quality look more stable than Native TAA to me, aside from some moiré artifacts

[kindred mantle]

The moire is really bad in some scenes

[smoky lava]

Yea, kinda temped to increase LoD bias see if it helps

[kindred mantle]

Not seeing any issues that are exclusive to M/L though, all around better than K

Shadows look much better with new presets

[smoky lava]

Ima be real tho

The shadows look abysmal at times

Maybe some are culled early or something, but at times they look extremely low res and flickery

[kindred mantle]

Yeah

Wish PT was in at launch

[drowsy mirage]

Thanks for your insight guys 👌 will try m as well

Do you know if a day one patch for pc is gonna drop today?

[drowsy mirage]

Yeah, that would have been neat

[kindred mantle]

Lol the motion blur during melee combat is ridiculous

[glacial sand]

How can I swap DLSS presets for this game? I’m usually able to do it with the Nvidia app but the game doesn’t show up in my list of games, even though I’ve installed the latest driver. Anyone else having this issue?

[drowsy mirage]

Dlss swapper

[robust venture]

you can add the game to the nvapp

Works for me

or use nvidia profile inspector

[timber tendon]

You could also change it globally just for this game until it appears in your NV app if the fix doesn’t work

[timber tendon]

Increased deadzone of left stick like someone here said and it fixed it more or less for me or at least playable

[timber tendon]

With preset L it’s hard to notice improvement above Balanced for me

[timber tendon]

You doing Uber man schedule or whatever that famous sleep hack is 🤣

[timber tendon]

Would PT fix the shadows? Thanks

[robust venture]

It should, whenever it comes

But that's an assumption

[frank violet]

do you have to turn on hdr every time you open the game?

[drifting pulsar]

@frank violet yes

[quaint oriole]

anyone know if gadget unlocks are disabled in offline mode?

[robust venture]

I'm not sure, I just made it through the mission that was shown with the chess match at the hotel. At that point it seemed everything was unlocking fine.

[regal condor]

What can we expect from Reno to fix in the game?

only hdr fixes?

[tough granite]

Empty pins! Nooo

[zinc fossil]

Musa is napping

[signal sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-2108856423160912540

[fresh lance]

You guys are way into graphical details 😂 and I'm here pissed about the camera movement

And FOV

The game looks good imo but yes the HDR is borked

[robust venture]

fov sucks but what's wrong with the camera movement?

[fresh lance]

Either the camera is turning way to fast or way to slow after tweaking 30 min the settings

Hitman is smooth as fuck

[robust venture]

huh, I didn't notice that

I did have to set my dpi lower

which helped

[fresh lance]

I'm playing on controller

[robust venture]

AH!

[fresh lance]

TMR sticks

[robust venture]

gotcha

[fresh lance]

There's a deceleration option which is inconsistent

[robust venture]

No mods yet to help?

[foggy acorn]

Hi, the release time in Europe is today at 16.00? 👀

[zinc fossil]

you can play since yesterday

[foggy acorn]

But the premium version, don't?

[robust venture]

they gave the deluxe upgrade for free to everyone who preordered

as far as I can tell

[zinc fossil]

no you can just buy it right now on steam and play

there's no price difference or anything

[frank violet]

Sometimes I find the npc's neck in this game a bit odd, its like they have no bones there, hahhahaha

[fresh lance]

Nope 🥲 it's still a fresh game

[foggy acorn]

Wooow and I playing Saros yesterday 😅 although very possible that is a better game 😍

[robust venture]

sad days

[proven ingot]

There is “aim response curve” setting with 3 options, but none of them feel right for me either :/

[fresh lance]

Don't think it does anything to camera movement but more for aiming with guns

Can't use the camera while fighting cause then it goes wild

[clever tapir]

try this

[cyan igloo]

does using nvidia color option in the nvidia app affect hdr? is it better to have it on or not? 🤔

[kindred mantle]

Which nvidia color option specifically?

[cyan igloo]

this one

[foggy acorn]

My rudimentary trick to improve a washed-out HDR image is to increase the contrast on the Nvidia panel to around 60%, haha. It works for me, even if it's incorrect, hehehe

[zinc fossil]

ohgod

don't you have like severe highlight clipping and black crush

[cyan igloo]

turning it on on default Nvidia values looks more contrasty than using the default (windows?) color settings in SDR at least

but im not sure if it's ideal for HDR?

[zinc fossil]

you should be using nvidia color settings at the highest possible color depth

[wooden tinsel]

even if the monitor physically doesn't support the highest available value?

[zinc fossil]

it definitely won't hurt and might even still improve banding

[cyan igloo]

my tv can do 12 bit but I think I'll run into HDMI 2.1 limitations at that point doing 4k120

[wooden tinsel]

okay time to change it to 12 bpc

[cyan igloo]

Is there a big difference between 10 and 12 ? 💀

[zinc fossil]

no

you probably won't notice anything

but 10 should be minimum

otherwise you could get color banding especially in HDR content

[cyan igloo]

I definitely noticed lots of banding lmao

i thought that's just how it was..

[vestal dragon]

oh wtf

i was on 8 the whole time 💀

[weary tusk]

It probably has a 10 bit panel but it can do 12 bit proceccing.

[wooden tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[harsh rivet]

Hey I have 12bpc too on my sony tv

Is that better in any way?

[zinc fossil]

more bits can produce more colors hence less banding in applications that actually support it

so yea it's better

[weary tusk]

It's 10 bit panel 99% sure but it can process in 12 bit to 10 bit . I didn't see a difference but there is a marginal one

[harsh rivet]

Okay..also hdr is not good enough for 007 first light, how are u guys playing on hdr?

I mean the settings

[zinc fossil]

wait for musa

[vestal dragon]

im waiting on musa

[robust venture]

very carefully 😄

[zinc fossil]

it'll be worth it

[harsh rivet]

Oh

[robust venture]

game is actually really good imo, hard to wait

[harsh rivet]

Waiting until the build drops then

[vestal dragon]

he is naping now so hopefully later today we are good to go

[harsh rivet]

Exactly, im keeping myself busy with work..or maybe crimson desert for now.

[robust venture]

so many great games right now too

mina is in 2 days

[harsh rivet]

What else

Mina?

[robust venture]

mina the hollower, follow up to shovel knight from yacht club

[foggy acorn]

I play on two OLED TVs a Philips 803 from 2018 with just HDMI 2.0, 8bits, 4K 60hz, 35 ms input lag and a LG C3 HDMI 2.1, 4K 120hz, 10/12 bits, 13 ms = results I dont have banding with the old Philips... WTF 😅 I suspect that Philips processing so much the picture and fix it.

[weary tusk]

You're Philips 803 doesn't have screen allumination like old lg tvs have?

Have the Philips 810 myself 2025 model ( lg c5 panel)

Worried about the lg screen allumination problem in the future

[last stratus]

8 bit with dithering might produce better results than 10 bit in some scenarios

[zinc fossil]

just use 10bit with dithering

[midnight current]

No HDR update yet for 007?

[zinc fossil]

musa is currently napping he will continue later

[empty bear]

Scroll up about 8 messages.

[midnight current]

👍

[foggy acorn]

it has a perfect line, up and one lateral side like "burning" but no pixels dead, I would say is a defect from manufacturer... It has like 8000hours

[foggy needle]

We need a pin like this for status of mods, best shit ever 😄

[weary tusk]

So you dint have this?

a lot of old lg models gets this, something about screen not glued /sealed perfectly by lg

[midnight current]

How old are we talking here?

[foggy acorn]

nope this is my "problem" are 55" https://www.reddit.com/r/LGOLED/comments/1qk9tc1/what_is_this_faulty_line_philips_oled_55_2018/

its me ☺️

[modern osprey]

just played 3 hours of first light not realizing HDR was off

and I missed out on the cool highlights in the club mission

[weary tusk]

Even some lg c3 are getting these so some get it after 2 years

[weary tusk]

Ah okay great to hear you're panel isn't affected by the lg problem the allumination

[foggy acorn]

get out of here! 😂 I enjoyed it so much Space Marine 2 without HDR too 😍 well autoHDR

[foggy acorn]

my LG C3 42" all perfect

That said, the HDR impact of my LG C3 42" vs. Philips 803 55" is much greater on the Philips; the image is more processed, but it has a much greater impact in terms of color, sharpness, brightness... Perhaps I should have bought a different Philips, even if it was more expensive... I wonder if they'll make a Philips QD OLED, but it doesn't look likely...

[indigo swan]

they will

[neon frost]

This is on my LG CX oled that I used as a monitor. About 20365 hours power on time according to settings page

[valid wadi]

FG and DLSS both are a bit broken could that be? I have a lot artifacts and flickering at 4k, even tho it is nvidia sponsored...

[weary tusk]

No Philips only uses woled panels or tandem oled panels from lg?

[weary tusk]

Wow after gow many years did it started?

And did it get worse over time or is it stable now?

[neon frost]

i got it in 2020 from costco, ive been pretty lucky with dead pixels considering I was using it for work too. Id say i first noticed the dead pixels in early 2025 and since then its popping up more and more around the edges. Its definetly getting worse now.

When i first bought it though i had really bad vertical banding on the left side of the screen and it took like a year of usage for the panel to even out and for the line to fade away. I think it had to do with the way the different panel sizes are cut.

[robust venture]

I have a B8 still going strong

no burn in or dead pixels, yet

[quartz geyser]

most likely you just dont look for it, but for me not noticing it is the dame as not having it

[robust venture]

Maybe, I haven't put my face to it. But it's not there from what I gather