Wuthering Waves

[pastel solstice]

gotcha, yeah i need to see what i can access about lights like those

[sudden thicket]

I will look for more specific examples as I come across them while playing.

[pastel solstice]

bc in the game's character shader, by default they only give you access to ambient light levels and lumen data, and the latter is SUPER weak

so it's possible there's lumen data at trees like those and i need to open a slider to let people tune how much they want to amplify lumen data, or they're part of the game's volumetric light which would be fine but would just require some rewiring

[sudden thicket]

Yeah. The vanilla character lighting seems to be self lit in a sense. So it doesn't seem to take direction of world lighting too much. Or at least it is weak if it does account for that at all.

[pastel solstice]

yeah, you are lit like a lightbulb from the inside pretty much

[sudden thicket]

Now that I am looking at it more. I don't think your lighting isn't doing anything less than stock lighting. But because the original lighting doesn't interact with in-world sources of light you notice it more when character's aren't affected in your version.

[pastel solstice]

i think you're exactly right, it's not like you interact with light more in vanilla, it just looks fine because you're already lit everywhere you go

[arctic canopy]

@rugged matrix dont worry, we rewrote half of decomp.exe

You will finally be able to add in EON BRDF

Fixing fog decomp issues

fixing lumen

DoF

[rugged matrix]

less accurate because there are no light contribution from those sources

[sudden thicket]

Like, I'm in front of this bright door but the character is still dark.

BUT
The original lighting doesn't have an interaction for this either. Because the character is always bright as fuck so...

[rugged matrix]

yes

they dont cast shadows

even if they do the current model only does contribution from sun shadows

[sudden thicket]

Yeah. I don't know how you solve that in a way that isn't going through each light emitting source manually.

But I am also an idiot so...

[rugged matrix]

the new decomp u linked?

fuck me I kinda wanna do something but im also on a break right now only thing I have is a 14 inch screen that doesn't fit one vscode window comfortably

[pastel solstice]

best i can do is probably get access to the volumetric light map to cause those to add light (if they exist in it), but no idea about adding shadows

[arctic canopy]

Got new new test 2 new ready

we went through like 20 decomp.exe today

but this hopefully means UE games will have less greiefed decomp

universally

[rugged matrix]

i dont think u can

for shadows

[pastel solstice]

i would only do it if it were magically very easy and also didn't add jank

the last thing i want to do is add jank

[rugged matrix]

whats the current version of decomp

I'll boot it up and make a mini patch for the HDR sun toggle

if it doesn't grief the flare texture

[arctic canopy]

Fixing the 1056434386902383632 loops

like brother

wtf is ths

New one

"Dont download any .exes from strangers"

RenoDX be like

[sudden thicket]

I would say that the lighting is more noticeable to normies than the lack of shadows.

I'd understand if shadows was too big of an ask.
Heck, the lighting from non-sun sources already sounds tough enough. ^^;

Side not. I find I have to put Highlight Saturation to -100 for flames to look right.

Minus 100 - Default - Vanilla

[pastel solstice]

does reducing saturation adaptation do anything?

otherwise, the new bloom focuses the bloom a lot more towards the source of the light, so that's possibly intensifying those flames too

[sudden thicket]

Saturation Adap might be the issue, yes.
I'll leave both of those at 0. TY

[pastel solstice]

anyone found a good place where it's dark except for a single fake light source except for that tree (i don't have access)

[sudden thicket]

idk if you want to try the door I was at earlier. It's considered in shade 24/7.

[pastel solstice]

Remind me where that is?

[sudden thicket]

Just teleport where you farm the new Sword material

[nocturne frost]

The classic orange to pink hue shift

[sudden thicket]

I turned Saturation Adaptation on. It's off by default.
My bad.

[deep nexus]

tried aemeath + mornye ults both look fine even with 100% character hue/lighting
but now that ive been paying attention to character lighting i found that most stuff in game don't actually contribute to the character shadow
is it just all tied to the sun's position?

[pastel solstice]

sadly, yes. almost none of the light sources in the game are real 🥲

[inner edge]

"optimization"

[arctic canopy]

We could have had ReSTIR GI / DI

but noooo

[rugged matrix]

kill all 4060 users

well with the the new restir PT enhanced method

being 2x 3x faster

surely

faster than even lumen now

4060s PT was 10ms

and 5ms with lumen\

[arctic canopy]

Sir

You are falling for the classic gamer trap

If you actually read the paper

its specifically talking about ReSTIR PT

not GI or DI

no game uses ReSTIR PT becasue it was too expensive

ReSTIR PT is the unified betterer approach

the paper is about making ReSTIR PT run about the same +- compared to what current ReSTIR DI/GI runs at in say Fuberpunk

the paper is not about making fuberjunk DI/GI now run 2 or 3x faster

TLDR

You get better quality at about the same cost or a bit more expensive but not giga 10FPS in real time on a 5090 expensive

All the marketing around what constitues RT or PT is a clusterfuck

No game does "True PT"

[sudden thicket]

Just buy 2x 6090 Ti SUPERs. Duh

[pastel solstice]

this definitely casts no light except for the tiniest lumen light ever, but amplifying it to anything worth seeing doesn't look great

checked vlm as well

[sudden thicket]

Fair enough. I wasn't holding out much hope tbh.
It's gacha slop so I'm not too surprised that it doesn't have any actual light values assigned to it. (barely)

[arctic canopy]

https://x.com/compusemble/status/2046284088164651498

@rugged matrix I want rn

Compusemble (@compusemble)

A modder is trying to mod RTX Neural Texture Compression into Resident Evil Requiem. They say that they've hooked into the via.render.Renderer using REFramework and mapped the texture heap, but they need an AI expert to help with .ntc weight baking. 🤔

https://t.co/JzZXg1bptr

X · Apr 20, 2026, 5:45 PM

[pastel solstice]

yeah, i'm seeing if there's anything worth getting from the vlm or if it's just not worth the computations

[arctic canopy]

fake directional lighting

its what I did in Crimson

Assuming you can derivate the lighting from something

[sudden thicket]

Bruh, you telling me I've been playing a fake game all this time? XP

[arctic canopy]

fake game needs fake solution

[arctic canopy]

actually wont work

since I still used the sun

which isnt the issue

the issue is the local lighting

[sudden thicket]

I mean. The good news (maybe) is that all the lighting sources in the game that don't interact with the character currently are at least stationary. ^^;

[deep nexus]

fake game, fake frames, fake super sampling

[deep nexus]

would that not tax the performance a lot?
ig depends on how u implement it?

[arctic canopy]

in Crimson I was solving a specific thing

during dawn / dusk the game's probe all go flat

so I added fake directional lighting in the direction of the setting / rising sun

something something cbyberpunk does this

[rugged matrix]

So now ur saying could have gotten restir pt

At about the same budget

But 4060 users

[arctic canopy]

Once the source code for this comes out

[rugged matrix]

Once again

[arctic canopy]

in the future

yes

You will have actual PT 2.0

[sudden thicket]

Doesn't CD use RESTIR when you turn RR on?

[arctic canopy]

It uses it

but its not ReSTIR GI or DI

theyre just using it for sampling because their current setup is asscheeks

and the noise is inzane

[vapid lodge]

Thanks again for your work. Do we need to delete the shaders?

[pastel solstice]

Nope! You shouldn’t need to do anything but replace your addon

[vapid lodge]

Thank you!

Btw, dlssfix makes some of the lights flicker with FramGen. All good without FramGen off

[pastel solstice]

Is that only with the new addon though?

The OP mentions dlssfix being needed for that unless you already have it

[vapid lodge]

I was using it on the previous add-on. It runs smooth, but it has that light flicker to it. Been too lazy to delete it to check how it runs without it. I will actually delete it now and report back.

[pastel solstice]

if it's flickering then dlssfix might not be set up correctly, that's what it's meant to fix

@safe prawn i think you were fixing this the other day, right?

[deep nexus]

what should happen is if u use reno+dlssg u will get light flicker (actual light sources) at least in wuwa
so u need dlss fix to patch the flickering
i did find some games don't need the dlss fix even with dlssg+reno

[vapid lodge]

Yup can confirm, I will need the dlss fix. Cant do anything now since my wife is blah blah blah mode.... Ohhh boy

[deep nexus]

ull need the wife fix addon

[vapid lodge]

God... I work, play with the kid, go grocery shopping, then come home and get a whole 10 minutes with the new Reno release lol.

[pastel solstice]

i appreciate you make time for wuwa + the addon though 💔

[arctic canopy]

@pastel solstice @rugged matrix

Final final totally final final

Fixed some abysmal nesting for VSMs

Me and Laz pray this means VSMs and Lumen can be decomped now in any UE slop title

but WuWa might be special becasue of UE4 + UE5

DoF should be fine to test as well

[pastel solstice]

thank you, i hope this character stuff doesn't come down to decomping lumen but that'll be helpful either way

[arctic canopy]

We'd made good progress so far

previously decomp would just say nope

and die

now it gets sahders out

but theres like 41 nested shittery with phi and what not going on

we're working on it

Will pr to Shortfuse

[arctic canopy]

it dependsTM on what sort of Lumen they do in WuWa

if they inline DXR

then you can edit shader side

but sometimes games dont inline so all the RT is handled via lib or similar

and thats outside of devkit territory

Been reading a bit on RT

[rugged matrix]

Inline was one of the things

[arctic canopy]

Dawg

[rugged matrix]

They wanted to do in the future

[arctic canopy]

the spec is MASSIVE

[rugged matrix]

When they made the unreal talk

Lmao

They aint got it in yet homes

[arctic canopy]

so what is it doing atm

software sloppa

[rugged matrix]

Sm6_6 and inline next year maybe COPE

[rugged matrix]

Well they told us its hardware

Ultra slop hardware

[arctic canopy]

Do you have a pic of what the shaders say in devkit?

You might have control of some things

[rugged matrix]

Oh yeah i saw a ton of lumen shader names in tbe devkit

Maybe later im just arknightsmaxxing rn

😭

[arctic canopy]

Will be intreseting to see if WuWa can work with the custom texture binding we have going on

It will be peak

all UE games "might" be able to use it

We found a bunch of shaders use IGN or abysmal noise

or do some poopoo filtering for fog

Next get custom shader dispatching working without blowing up the game

then Spiwar can add in PT

[pastel solstice]

trying to decomp lumen just ruined my life

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[vapid lodge]

I had the DLSS Fix incorrect. I believe its correct now but I'm receiving a fatal error message. Is this normal?

[pastel solstice]

#1494155373060427867 message

you could try this

[vapid lodge]

Thanks! I figured out the issue. Forcing a model preset through the nivida app causes the crash. I had it on preset L. Setting it back to default was the fix. I'll just use RCAS to increase the sharpening a bit for dlss 4.0.

[pastel spindle]

[dawn delta]

Verry cool will mess with this later

[safe prawn]

From my experience, the crash only happens if you force it via Nvidia App. If you use DLSS Swapper, for example, it doesnt crash. Currently using FG without flickering on latest Reno

[safe prawn]

Yep, culprit was Nvidia APP forcing preset M

[mossy yarrow]

I LOVE THE NEW UDPATE @pastel solstice

also could someone send me an ex of eye adaptation on n off?

[teal ravine]

The new update has reduced my FPS by 20%, so I can only switch back to the old version

[pastel solstice]

what settings were you using? because that shouldn't be the case regardless. i'd make sure you're certain it's the new addon in particular

[pastel solstice]

there are several settings available once you enable + restart, so it can't really be captured in a single example

[deep nexus]

that sounds more like we actually turned all fake lights into real light for accurate shadows

[pastel solstice]

there are more computations done in the character shader than vanilla, but with character lighting at zero they would be completely bypassed

[teal ravine]

new version/old version

[arctic canopy]

9ms

I was testing aurora's in Crimson. Got them looking sweet then I disabled 30FPS cap in devkit and noticed my FPS didnt go up.

Turns out I was murdering perf with aurora that costed 27ms

[deep nexus]

does fps change on new version if u switched off character lightning?

just tested myself it didn't change for me if i do so

[teal ravine]

There is no change. Even if reno is turned off, there will be no change in frame rate

Has the frame rate decreased for you when using the new version compared to the old one

[deep nexus]

i didn't really notice it
so i can't tell
will have to reinstall the last version to actually check

[teal ravine]

#1411110125732892807 message

I am using this version

[pastel solstice]

see if turning off eye adaptation + turning character lighting to Kuro with the new version brings you back to your old fps?

[teal ravine]

I have to finish this story before testing

[teal ravine]

The frame drop is caused by eye adaptation. Closing and restarting the game will resolve the issue

[sudden thicket]

So does just having it on cause the issue or is it the changing of the state that causes the problem?

[teal ravine]

I'll turn on it and try restarting the game

Just turn on it can cause problems

[pastel solstice]

i'll see if there's any way i can be more efficient with that, but the reason it requires a restart in the first place is because it hooks into certain things during initialization. which could mean that those hooks are causing degradation for you.

[deep nexus]

double checked with eye adaptation
raw fps definitely went down
though the amount seems to be region dependent
in septimont it went from 70 or so to 60 or so
in startorch it went from 52 to 49
checked with same angle same location same time

hmm maybe cause startorch the sun doesn't move?
whereas septimont its a moving light source?

[sudden thicket]

I would presume that the more dynamics scenes would be more demanding since it would have to do more frequent calculations. Would sort of make sense.

[safe prawn]

Update is amazing, but quite a lot of crashes so far

[rugged matrix]

not related to the update

its you using dlssfix

stop using trash generation

your issue will be solved

[safe prawn]

Will do, the game doesnt even need it lol

[rugged matrix]

Explanation of the new sliders

Character Lighting
By default, the characters are composited separately from the environment and is (mostly) unaffected by the environmental lighting. That's why when you stand under a shade, your char still looks bright af => char lighting controls add back lighting contribution from the environment

video comparison attached, check how the chars can be lit/partially lit by the environment instead of being universally bright

Only recommend using this at 50% character lighting + Kuro character Hue for now because at 100% there are still some issues that can or can not be fixed
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342482388512673826/1496276754120310856/2026-04-21_16-28-28.mp4?ex=69e94bd1&is=69e7fa51&hm=0f6435528837c666d2f7ef8c4167acace1e685728ab3d9e35228b4d156d3146b&

[pastel solstice]

very good vid

[safe prawn]

So good, thanks for the hard work

[safe prawn]

Does the character lighting applies to in engine cutscenes, as well?

[pastel solstice]

possibly not if the engine cutscenes pass the same heuristic as what prevents character lighting effecting ult animations

[safe prawn]

I can se the difference when moving the slider from Kuro to 50% and Custom

(The screenshot doesnt seem to grab the difference, just to let you know what kind of cutscene I mean)

[rugged matrix]

In engine cutscene doesnt need it

Probably already have it off or turned down the hero lighting

Because the lighting is intentional

Esp in tier 0 cutscenes

[safe prawn]

Gotcha

Its a very neat functionality so thanks for creating it

[pastel solstice]

no problem, glad you like it

[rugged matrix]

Wino da 🐐

[mossy yarrow]

Ty

[mossy yarrow]

Wait so i don't need to mess with anything while in cutscenes right

Also can this hero lighting thing work in sdr, asking for a friend

[rugged matrix]

the answer is

try it in t0 cutscenes and find out

i already played through the game already

[amber tusk]

Using RTGI makes character get even brighter than default when standing in sunlight, which looks pretty bad. I just learned that this shouldnt happen apparently...well at least it doesnt happen with RTGI off

Maybe it works as it should, i mean, when you are in sunlight, you get brighter...unfortunately with WuWas bad character lighting, it looks pretty bad...default brightness is already bright enough...i have to lower the slider to around 30% for it to look alright

[pastel solstice]

Yes

[pastel solstice]

You should not, I don’t know why they’d even use that shader in cutscenes, and if they do, hopefully what I do to check against ults guards that too

[pastel solstice]

I’m seeing if there’s a smarter way to handle these kinds of potentially additive sources in the next update

[amber tusk]

WorryThumbsup

[stuck birch]

Do anyone have the old renodx 😭 the new one with the new features just display fatal error on my Linux system whenever the addon is enabled

[pastel solstice]

#1411110125732892807 message

let me see if i made a windows-only assumption recently

[vapid lodge]

What's your recommendation for setting character lighting if I wanted to use it? 25 percent or so? Thanks for implementing this feature

[pastel solstice]

i personally like zero, but i think a low amount between 25 and 50 isn't a bad idea for those cases where environmental lights do nothing real to the character while also not making you look like a lightbulb

[vapid lodge]

Thank you!

[dawn delta]

why is the back open

[stuck birch]

Many thanks

[pastel solstice]

kuro vs (new) custom

character lighting looks legitimately deranged next to real environmental lighting

[forest badge]

At what point does this become too much though

[pastel solstice]

wdym

when the character fits into the environment is when it's enough

[forest badge]

Fair enough

I think what you're doing is great for new areas because it fits the overall tone of the new areas, but I wonder how does this compare in 1.x maps

[pastel solstice]

well i basically dissected how the game lights its environment and i applied the same to the character, so it should be flexible enough to handle how any environment is lit

i'm not reinventing anything or deciding myself how the characters should look

[forest badge]

I know, but the 1.x areas really differ from 2.x or even 3.x maps

Might check it out on my handheld this Friday.

Time to see what this whole HDR thing is in WuWa

That's if the game runs reasonably well in startorch academy lmao

Probably won't bother with the engine.ini stuff and rely on the shit settings in game.

[pastel solstice]

behaves perfectly fine in jinzhou

i have nothing in my engine.ini except for disabling a few things

[woeful forum]

wh9 the hell is this? im letting the game marinate

[forest badge]

Mornye

Skin

[mossy yarrow]

Its out?

[stuck birch]

alright the old renodx do work as expected, do wuwano need any logs or something so i can help?

[pastel solstice]

A log from the crashing one wouldn’t hurt

[sudden thicket]

When I'm carrying gear through snow or chopping wood for winter warfare training I have all of my layers open.

I'm sure she also gets warm when fighting in the Frostlands. ^^

[stuck birch]

here ya go

[split glacier]

Is it true this new renodx is causing lag?

I'm experiencing performance drops

[sudden thicket]

Eye Adaptation has a performance cost atm. Turn it off and you should be fine. (requires restart)

[pastel solstice]

thanks‼️

[pastel solstice]

thank you, my messenger

i may have been doing more than i need to for one of the eye adaptation features, current build (wip) should fix it

[split glacier]

Can't find it

[pastel solstice]

#1494155373060427867 message

[split glacier]

Probably had that off already

Weird

[pastel solstice]

If it’s off then the addon’s definitely not doing a meaningful amount more work

[split glacier]

Weird

[sudden thicket]

Try deleting your game shaders.
I have to do it now and then. Sometimes they get messed up for no reason.

Delete these two folders.

[blazing cove]

getting fatal error with the newest addon

"wine: Call from 00006FFFFFF979E0 to unimplemented function mscms.dll.234, aborting"

the last line in my proton log

[pastel solstice]

try #1411110125732892807 message for now, i need to see what i did to break linux

[blazing cove]

actually i just removed the addon completely and it's still crashing

[pastel solstice]

🤨

[blazing cove]

i just launched the game fine an hour ago

i was tweaking the settings

i saw a newer version on here so i installed it and restarted and now i get fatal error

so i assumed it was the new addon but maybe it's something else i changed in reshade

[pastel solstice]

try just adding .bak to the end of the reshade dll temporarily

and make sure there's nothing else loading with the game

[blazing cove]

yeah launches fine

[pastel solstice]

do you have any other addons it could be loading?

[blazing cove]

dlssfix

[pastel solstice]

mmm could be that i guess

try backing up your reshade.ini too

[blazing cove]

ok i must have broken something let me figure this out

[pastel solstice]

did you just start using dlssfix?

because i think i know why you'd have gotten that mscms.dll error, but if you're not loading the addon then you shouldn't be seeing it anymore obviously

[blazing cove]

i just installed renodx and dlss fix for the first time like 4 days ago

been using it with no issues

and i just launched it an hour ago

[pastel solstice]

oh ok, well if they're not loading then i have no idea. any hints in your reshade.log?

[blazing cove]

i have a few things to test still

[blazing cove]

ok so this works

after i reset everything

i have dlssfix too

yeah sorry i must have fucked something up

but yeah the newest one still gives fatal error

i didn't isolate the cause of why i was getting fatal error with no addon but well.. probably user error somewhere

[pastel solstice]

no i think it's my fault

glad that one works for you

99.9% sure i know why

i'd send a fix now but i'm just gonna include it in my next update with some more stuff

[blazing cove]

yeah that mscms.dll error is the only thing i can find in proton or reshade log

hopefully it's that ^.^

[pastel solstice]

yeah that's the windows color management dll

i did a stupid

[blazing cove]

ohh HDR sun works now, very nice

ty for your work on wuwa it looks great in HDR

[pastel solstice]

You’re welcome, sun was spiwar tbf

[blazing cove]

what is the color grading strenth you guys have in here?

0 vs 100

it gets pretty messed up in this area

some areas it only slightly changes the image but other areas get destroyed

[pastel solstice]

i'm a lunatic and go 100 on all three strengths and then 100 100 on the hue shifts and increase cone response + contrast some

i am always fucking up my preset when i'm developing so i don't have any numbers to share

[blazing cove]

default is 100 and i think it looks good it most areas

but what is this color grading exactly, your custom one?

[pastel solstice]

i don't love that it's called that, but that's lerping between the untonemapped color and what we consider to be the game's upgraded tonemapping

[blazing cove]

oh, lol yeah i'm not sure what it should be called

the areas are so different in this game

it's hard to find something that looks right in all zones

[blazing cove]

huanglong looking much better now

tbh i just got my first HDR screen less than a week ago

it makes everything look so 3 dimensional

SDR looks so flat now it's crazy

[dawn delta]

I play on my Slop+ settings

[blazing cove]

mawburrow desert tacet field at the bottom of lahai-roi ^

[forest badge]

@pastel solstice when is the planned release for next update that possibly fixes crashing on Linux?

Since I was planning on downloading wuwa today, but my handheld is on SteamOS lmao

[rugged matrix]

to do 800 game brightness you need to set exposure to 3-4x

[split glacier]

Will try

[mighty fable]

OMG I just had verify my age in WuWa.
What has become of this beautiful hobby?

But on topic: I noticed, that the tone of the entire picture is changing, whenever I get close to something I can interact with.
This didn't happen before, so I assume, it must be some of the new changes/features?

[pastel solstice]

hmmm... does the Ignore Menu State option work under UI?

[pastel solstice]

i think something will drop in the next ~eight hours

[forest badge]

Gotcha

[mighty fable]

I turned that on, and didn't encounter the issue yet. Maybe that did the trick.

[pastel solstice]

ok cool - i should probably default that to On. unfortunately the way i detect fullscreen menus works except that it detects those interaction menus too 😩

[mighty fable]

The things you add to this game, make it so much more beautiful than it already is. Don't feel too down, when something doesn't work right out of the box.
I just wish, Kuro and a more players could see your effort for themselves. But as it stands, HDR is just a tiny niche, I feel.

[pastel solstice]

holy moley thank you what a compliment.
i'd like more people to see the game at its full potential too 🥲 but sadly there are a lot of barriers to that. same goes for kuro.

[forest badge]

The game looks atrocious without this.

[mighty fable]

[rugged matrix]

what

what are you even talking about

it literally doesnt work

I haven't patched it since it broke

[pastel solstice]

literally i've never even stopped to verify lmao

i'll see if i can push in next update

[rugged matrix]

nah its fine

once ur done with ur stuff let me know

then I'll hop in

[pastel solstice]

sounds good

[rugged matrix]

I assume you found a flag or something for the character lighting thing

that disables it during cutscenes/intros?

iuno intro seems to not be broken now

[pastel solstice]

yes i did, there's a literal boolean that indicates when newer characters are cutscening, and i found some old characters don't set that explicitly, but will also instead have very extreme sun values during their cutscenes, and i trigger on that in those cases.

[rugged matrix]

based

[split glacier]

???

What region

[mighty fable]

EU

[split glacier]

What did you even try to do

[mighty fable]

I just started the game, and it hit me with new terms of service. It might be a thing since some time now, but you don't see it, until you log out and in again.

[split glacier]

You had to upload ID?

[mighty fable]

Fortunately not. Just a selection. But they made it very clear, that I cannot continue, if I was not of age.

Which is silly, for a company that has my billing information.

[blazing cove]

i was using an old version and the sun in rinascita wasn't getting very bright, then i switched to a newer version and now it's like 1200 nits :D

[rugged matrix]

because you switched from a version that wasn't working for the newer patch

versus a version that does

not related to hdr sun

[blazing cove]

well other stuff was bright besides the sun >.>

[rugged matrix]

switch the hdr sun toggle on and off

jesus christ

[blazing cove]

yeah it never did anything but the sun did change

and the version was working

[rugged matrix]

then hdr sun isn't working

end of story

[blazing cove]

wha does it do?

[rugged matrix]

makes the sun brighter

[blazing cove]

so how is it 1200 nits for me now

[rugged matrix]

1200 nits =/ hdr sun is working

[blazing cove]

does it make it brighter outside the center or something

are you okay?

maybe i should not ask questions

[rugged matrix]

i don't want to waste my time explaining this

wait for the actual patch that enables it

[blazing cove]

yeah end of story huh

[rugged matrix]

yes

[blazing cove]

i guess so

jesus christ

[rugged matrix]

yes

[blazing cove]

maybe be a little nicer next time

[rugged matrix]

no

[blazing cove]

not working?

don't make assumptions, all i did was observe that the addon was working but the sun wasn't very bright, i switch to a newer version and it's brighter so I thought maybe HDR sun was working, i didn't turn it off to test

i understand that the actual option is not functioning but I did observe a change in brightness

[rugged matrix]

cool

[blazing cove]

you're such a prick lol

i just read you arguing with some guy earlier

like chill out man

confidently incorrect and dismissive, that is the only impression i get from reading your chats on here

[rugged matrix]

someone is salty enough to go read all of my chats

very cool

[blazing cove]

i was just reading information in other channels

[rugged matrix]

i believe you

[blazing cove]

how about we restart yeah? i'm not looking for unpleasant interactions on here

[rugged matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/love-sport-heart-gaming-legend-gif-20447819

[sudden thicket]

Spiwar is just crusty. Try not to take it too personally. ^^;

[mighty ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shorekeeper-wuwa-shorekeeper-dance-dance-satoes-gif-14644907472125540178

We’re all in this together

[deep nexus]

not sure if its just me
but when i use the latest version to play the game i keep getting blackscreens with nvlddmkm 14/153 event spam that eventually leads to pc restart in like 30s

doesn't happen immediately
only happens after playing the game for like a few mins

[pastel solstice]

nvlddmkm 14/153 event spam
where are you seeing this

[deep nexus]

event viewer

[pastel solstice]

you're welcome to try the old versions to see if those don't, but i don't know how the addon would lead to anything like that

[deep nexus]

mb for no logs though
cause i didn't think it was the addon's cause
i went through a bunch of ab testing till i found out its the addon's problem

[pastel solstice]

a log would help

[deep nexus]

does reshade keep older logs?

cause i stopped having blackscreen -> restart loop after swapping off the latest version
so the current log that i have seems to just be the newest game session

[pastel solstice]

no, it wipes on restart

[deep nexus]

just to be more specific i had eye adaptation off but character lighting on when the blackscreen happens
assuming those r the only difference between the older ones

[deep nexus]

not sure if this helps
but i did notice strange character colors under certain lighting before it starts blackscreening today

[pastel solstice]

i'm completely overhauling how i handle the character lighting and also slimming down the eye adaptation, so if it keeps happening after then i'll investigate

[rugged matrix]

character lighting not working in this location

[pastel solstice]

does it have a weird sun?

[rugged matrix]

yeah

if u check the event thing

forgot the name

shhould be able to access this

[pastel solstice]

k i'm gonna see if i can either tighten my logic or if i can't just remove it

who plays calcharo anyway

⬅️

[rugged matrix]

lol

maybe the bright sun limit is too conservative

[pastel solstice]

yeah iirc their ults would get to like max channel 15 or something, so i set it to anything above 10 🤔 probably a smarter way

[rugged matrix]

doesnt work in this area as well

[pastel solstice]

bc i assumed as well that if the sun was that strong or colored in a particular way that they might be doing something special with it that i'd leave alone

i guess not

[deep nexus]

what nvidia driver version r u guys using btw
just got a crash from using the older version from the deleted thread

Error    4/26/2026 1:20:59 AM    nvlddmkm    153    None
Error    4/26/2026 1:20:58 AM    nvlddmkm    14    None

this is what it looks like in my event viewer during the crash
and also its these two events repeating for like a few hundred times

[pastel solstice]

i always update to latest

[deep nexus]

same though
is there any other logs that can help identify my problem?

[pastel solstice]

no idea but maybe you can just reinstall via DDU

i don't know how it could be an addon issue if only your gpu drivers are crashing

[deep nexus]

this is what i tried:

1. remove overclock, use stock GPU tuning: black screen
2. DDU clean reinstall latest nvidia 596.21 driver + launch the game without graphics api injection(no specialK, reshade etc) + default driver settings + not using HDR at all (windows in SDR): no black screen.
3. after 2. play game with windows HDR enabled only, everything still at default: no black screen
4. after 3. play game with SK+reshade+latest addon + swapped driver settings: blackscreen
5. after 4. play game for 2hrs with older addon: no black screen
6. after 5. restarted pc today with still older addon: blackscreen like 1 min into the game

[pastel solstice]

there are too many variables for me to know for sure, next thing i'd try is making sure you can reproduce it without SK loaded while using the latest reshade version

[deep nexus]

so don't use the #📝welcome message renodx build here instead and just use the newest 6.7.3?

[pastel solstice]

no idea what the status of that renodx build is, i use 6.7.3

[rugged matrix]

Sounds like your card is cooked buddy

[nocturne frost]

The most stable driver is 595.79 atm

I use 595.79 + normal 6.7.3 ReShade with addon support (ReShade64.dll next to the game exe) + SK 26.3.27.1 (Global injection)

zero crashes or black screen

[sudden thicket]

Yeah, make sure SK is injecting ReShade.

[pastel solstice]

Does reshade64.dll work without SK too?

I can’t remember now but I feel like one time I forgot to rename it and it loaded

[sudden thicket]

ReShade installs as dxgi.dll by default. (which works now)
I've never seen it load into WuWa as Reshade64.dll without the use of SK.

[pastel solstice]

Makes sense. I wonder why kuro unblocked that

Are they here

[sudden thicket]

You're not the first one to ask that in this channel. lol

[mighty fable]

I could never get Reno and SK work together, so I only use Reno now.

[nocturne frost]

Weird, I’ve never had an issue with SK+Reno

[sudden thicket]

You have to rename the ReShade.dll and enable SK to inject it. Otherwise it gets fucky.

[feral forum]

I have gotten it work but I'm using a combination of Optiscaler and RenoDX

[mighty fable]

My issue is, that it's a different way to install, rename, inject ReShade and Reno on top, depending on the game and what phase the Moon is in at the moment.
When I install ReShade, and copy Reno into the same folder, it just works.

[feral forum]

Optiscaler can use Reshade64

[sudden thicket]

Injecting with Opti is similar but easier than SK I'd probably say.

[sudden thicket]

Reno always goes haywire with orange in this game....

Seems that setting Tonal Response back to 0 from 10 solved it.

[pastel solstice]

That’s like the same character and location druidbruce sent the other day

[sudden thicket]

Probably is. If you modify saturation in Reno bright orange goes crazy for some reason.

I'm not an HDR science expert so I can't explain why.

But this has been an ""issue"" since forever.

You just can't juice colors too much otherwise shit breaks.
#1411110125732892807 message

Wrong msg link. Should be this one:
#1411110125732892807 message

[pastel solstice]

tbh none of those examples look that wrong to me, her hair included

[sudden thicket]

You just looking at the Discord preview?

[pastel solstice]

i know there's something weird about the color orange, maybe there's something about your and bruce's displays that are interacting with them poorly

[pastel solstice]

no

[sudden thicket]

Off-screen photo.

[deep nexus]

heres the thing, this is what i found out the other day #1494155373060427867 message
basically, even if u have an HDR monitor it doesn't mean everyone else with an HDR monitor can c the same thing
u gotta tune everything to be the same and calibrate ur monitor with equipments that can accurately detect colors to actually let everyone get the same results
and other than the monitor calibration layer (thats OS part), u still got graphics driver layer (here u can also tune saturation level)
and then whatever layer ur also using

[pastel solstice]

yeah there's absolutely something going on display-side

[sudden thicket]

True. But how do we know who is seeing the "truth" lol

[deep nexus]

id assume if we just adjust one of our base saturation levels its gonna look the same as the off screen photo

[pastel solstice]

you don't need to pull out the calibration equipment or anything to get to a perfect d65 like i did because i'm obsessed, but i'd use whatever settings are available to you to get to the most neutral point possible

[deep nexus]

thats why the truth would actually need equipment for the calibration

[vapid lodge]

Dang time flyies... Got to do my daily grind lol. 3.3 right around the corner

Also, if you have a AW3225QF, dell release another firmare a couple of days ago. Updating the 1000 bright mode

[deep nexus]

my guess is u probably changed saturation at some layer
either the graphics driver (etc. nvidia control panel) or OS(windows calibration)

i left both on default and the problem goes away

but of course if u still just set saturation too high even just in reno its still gonna appear

[sudden thicket]

I probably altered the default Windows SDR saturation in the HDR calibration. This is true.

Not sure if or how that interacts with Reno

[deep nexus]

#1494155373060427867 message what do u c here?

[sudden thicket]

It's cooked

[pastel solstice]

yeah that's crazy

looks perfectly normal to me

[deep nexus]

that means u have higher default saturation somewhere

right now i don't c any weird thing in that picture cause mine is all set to default now

[sudden thicket]

So probably because I adjusted the color saturation in the Windows HDR calibration you think? @deep nexus

I'll redo my profile and check.

[deep nexus]

just leave saturation at default

[pastel solstice]

if i were you, i'd check your display's own OSD, nvidia control panel (ensure reference mode), make sure what's in the screenshot is set to: highest color depth, these settings if ur on (lg, idk otherwise) tv, rgb + full otherwise on monitor

[pastel solstice]

use nvidia color settings, idk what the defaults are gonna be

[deep nexus]

u can also tune saturation in digital vibrance here
also can affect how u c the image

[pastel solstice]

make sure you're on reference mode too

[pastel solstice]

might as well use reference mode to be sure

but i feel like your display's osd is most likely to be at fault

[sudden thicket]

I assume Reference Mode bypasses the Nvidia settings that could change shit.

[deep nexus]

oh so u mean check this box?

[pastel solstice]

yeah, but reference mode is different than the nvidia color settings from our screenshots

set all that

[pastel solstice]

yes, it'll lock out those controls and make sure they have no effect

absolutely zero reason to adjust anything there

[sudden thicket]

You say I should set mine to what yours is?

[pastel solstice]

is your display a tv or monitor?

[sudden thicket]

Asus OLED monitor

[pastel solstice]

ok, then do highest + 12 or 10 bpc + RGB + full

and then set reference mode in the other tab too

[sudden thicket]

Cool. Reference mode seems to have fixed it. This image is no longer cooked

[pastel solstice]

okay nice

[sudden thicket]

(image is so you know what I mean. You're not going to see anything)

[pastel solstice]

i got you

[sudden thicket]

So all this time I've been looking at cooked images.....
What is the meaning of anything?????

[pastel solstice]

idk honestly, that's the scary thing about talking to ppl about what they see in screenshots lmao

hdr is at least one step closer to consistency because its luminance is meant to be absolute, but everything else can be just as cooked as sdr if your display lets it

[sudden thicket]

Or Nvidia...

Apparently

[pastel solstice]

every day you'll see ppl in the #crimson-desert talking about how image A looks better than B or B looks better than A, when in reality they both could be liking the same thing

oh yeah well right

i mean you can cook what you see in 1000 ways

[sudden thicket]

True. Because you have to account for the display itself. So when they show images it is almost meaningless.

[pastel solstice]

yup

your phone picture was a good idea

instant diagnosis

[sudden thicket]

Can't wait to get back into WuWa now and see how fucked my settings are.....
😆 🔫

[pastel solstice]

hopefully just gotta turn up your saturation a little maybe

if that's just how you like things

i may have LooksLikeCanonicalDic in the next update

(function name)

diffuse indirect composite

[sudden thicket]

Went back into game and turned Tonal Response back to +10. Skiprika's hair isn't artifacting. 10/10 fix so far. ^^

[pastel solstice]

very nice 😎

[nocturne frost]

reference mode disables ICC profiles if you had them enabled

like the windows HDR claibration profile

[pastel solstice]

fuck icc

windows is not allowed to touch my colors

[nocturne frost]

you probably adjusted the saturation slider while generating the HDR profile

I have a 2.2 gamma profile

but I'm too lazy to switch between piecewise and 2.2 gamma lol

[pastel solstice]

same

cannot be assed

[nocturne frost]

yea 2.2 is only useful for auto-hdr games or well if you want to correct the desktop gamma

[pastel solstice]

yeah for those auto hdr games i just use reshade w/o addons

[sudden thicket]

Damn. Yeah. So for Auto HDR games. How am I supposed to play those without an icc profile?

[pastel solstice]

reshade

alternatively this: https://github.com/ledoge/dwm_eotf

[sudden thicket]

Use Reshade instead of Auto HDR or?...

[pastel solstice]

no i mean if a game must be auto hdr'd, you can use reshade to apply the 2.2 eotf

[sudden thicket]

This looks annoying.
What is the ReShade method?

[pastel solstice]

that method is one click tbf and applies to all (hopefully only) sdr content, so it fixes washed out windows too

[limpid lagoon]

this doesnt touch games

[pastel solstice]

but the reshade method is just installing reshade for the game and using https://github.com/EndlesslyFlowering/ReShade_HDR_shaders/blob/master/Shaders/lilium__sdr_trc_fix.fx

[pastel solstice]

oh for real

even sdr ones?

[limpid lagoon]

yeah only windows

[limpid lagoon]

ye

[pastel solstice]

i see, then that's kind of a plus of its own tbh

[limpid lagoon]

yep

[pastel solstice]

i only used it one time to watch something in sdr on a browser

the rest of the time i just accept it

[sudden thicket]

Is it the "inverse tone mapping" one?

[limpid lagoon]

i have hdr on all time so its good for me

[pastel solstice]

no the one i linked to

[pastel solstice]

same and i agree

but @sudden thicket download her whole repo

her files have dependencies

[sudden thicket]

Right. But which effect do I turn on for AutoHDR?

[pastel solstice]

oh, that's what i meant by the one i linked

TRC fix

tone response curve fix

[sudden thicket]

Oh... I was already using that even with the .icc profile enabled. XD

[sudden thicket]

So I don't ahve to do anything then.

[pastel solstice]

oh boy

so you've been double-applying the gamma fix this whole time?

[nocturne frost]

yea HDR pictures are kinda dim when you open them in discord

[sudden thicket]

Is Auto HDR a gamma fix?

[pastel solstice]

no that's not what i meant

i thought you meant you've been using a 2.2 icc profile + using the trc fix reshade simultaneously

also you can leave the ping on

[nocturne frost]

the ultimate black crush mode

[pastel solstice]

i want to do the math on the curve that'd make

idk if it'd still be pure gamma anymore

[sudden thicket]

No, no. I was using a Windows .icc profile that was calibrated for Peak Nit.

I just wanted to know how I'm supposed to use AutoHDR if setting Nvidia Override ignores the peak nits of the icc

[nocturne frost]

I use Doge's mincllfix to set the peak nits

[rugged matrix]

What the fuck

Buddy

[pastel solstice]

1. i don't know if it's true that it wouldn't let autohdr read what it needs to
2. there are other ways to set your peak nits

such as what mpaul said

[rugged matrix]

I should kill anyone who complains after they changed color saturation

Especially if they vhange it in

Fucking Windows HDR calibration

Of all things

[sudden thicket]

That's default Nvidia setting. I didn't change shit

[pastel solstice]

if you wanna be lazy and are paranoid about it not being set, you can set up something that windows runs on start to run that tool he mentioned

[nocturne frost]

spiwar means that your are dead if you changed the saturation during the HDR calibration

[rugged matrix]

Yeah

It specifically said

Saturation
Less (Default)

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[sudden thicket]

Fair. But that also wasn't the issue.
The Saturation in the Windows cal is only for SDR content.

[nocturne frost]

I don't think so

but I don't use it so maybe idk I won't check it

[sudden thicket]

You right.... fuck

[rugged matrix]

Yeah the app is functionally useless

Its only function is correct the EDID peak brightness that gets reported to games

Else it doesnt do anything

[sudden thicket]

So back to where I was.
How do I set Peak nit without Windows ICC profile.
I can't find the thing Paul mentioned. Google is useless...

[rugged matrix]

If you just want to srt peak nits

Then you can use hdr calibration

In a pinch

Just leave the other stuff as defauly

[pastel solstice]

https://github.com/ledoge/set_maxtml

[rugged matrix]

Wow

[rugged matrix]

No reason to use hdr calibration then

LOL

[sudden thicket]

This is what I did.
But I was told that this setting overrides the ICC profile.
Or does it still respect the Nit setting even with the override?

[rugged matrix]

use the tool wino linked

That might help your issue

[inner edge]

set maxtml resets on display mode changes, so even if you set a scheduled task on startup, sometimes it reverts back to default

[nocturne frost]

yea that's the one I use too

[pastel solstice]

yes

[sudden thicket]

Does it undo after a reboot too?

[nocturne frost]

yes but it only happens if you do something like disabling/enabling gsync

[pastel solstice]

i'm curious what your source is that that setting would make autohdr unable to read your peak nits

the profile is still loaded

[inner edge]

sometimes it resets after i turn off my monitor for a while

[pastel solstice]

the information is still possibly there

[nocturne frost]

yes

[sudden thicket]

Guess I'll try an AutoHDR game and just see what it does then

[nocturne frost]

oh I never turn it off

[sudden thicket]

Wait.... I can't measure peak nit of an AutoHDR game.

[pastel solstice]

hold on

[inner edge]

i don't care too much for edid these days anyway, only used it before for some native hdr games that detect peak based on edid but since we have renodx now I don't really need it

[pastel solstice]

is there something i don't know or what's your source

bc i don't know why reference mode would interfere with that

[nocturne frost]

and you shouldn't set peak brightness higher than 400 nits anyways

[pastel solstice]

totally, nothing needs it but (possibly) autohdr, but i don't know enough about how exactly autohdr works to say for sure

[sudden thicket]

I just wanted to verify since it was mentioned that the Nvidia override trumps ICC profile settings.

[nocturne frost]

I said it, does it load the profiles?

[pastel solstice]

i still see mine selected as my hdr profile

BUT i think you are right about its effect on color

[nocturne frost]

yes but that doesnt mean much

it does nothing

[pastel solstice]

no i think you are right about its effect on color, but he's thinking it would disable windows' ability to know your peak nits from it

and i'm wondering why that'd be the case

bc i think he doesn't need to worry

[nocturne frost]

but using display peak brightness for autohdr games is pointless

400 nits is the max, maybe 500

[rugged matrix]

Ya just manually set it

[nocturne frost]

that looks acceptable

[nocturne frost]

yea I'm not sure, I don't use the windows HDR calibration profile anymore and I'm too lazy to test it

but it's easy to test, restart the PC while reference mod is enabled

then check the reported peak nits

[sudden thicket]

Fair point. Gonna reboot and check. I fucked with some stuff.

Seems that even with the Nvidia override that Windows still reads the Nit setting.

Setting of the calibration icc profile I mean.

So I'll just assume that AutoHDR is using that since I have no way to verify.

[nocturne frost]

920 nits is a strange clipping point tho

[sudden thicket]

The monitor is rated 1,000
I think RTings measured it at 940 or something. And when I do the cal it appears to clip at 920 for me.

I'm no expert though so... could be wrong I guess. ^^;

[nocturne frost]

I would use SK's test screen just to be sure

I don't really trust that calibration screen lol

[deep nexus]

ok, so just reading back to confirm that i got everything
checking override reference mode in nvidia control means windows 11 ICC profile's saturation won't work.
but it still reads the peak nit value correctly and updates upon restarting PC?

[sudden thicket]

As far as I can tell, yes.

[sudden thicket]

In SK it seems like the image clips at 900 to me.
(RTings probably uses a machine that is more accurate than the human eye I assume.)

[mighty fable]

I'm still trying to understand, why I would not want to calibrate. I deleted the profile, just to check, and 1500 nits is undershooting by a lot, I feel. Though I didn't expect to see the 1755 nits RTings is stating for my TV.

[pastel solstice]

nothing wrong with it, but there is a slider while calibrating that can do unintended things to what you see

so if you have done that, in combination with not forcing nvidia control panel to reference mode, you could have settings within windows that are cooking your colors

[sudden thicket]

Calibrating is fine. It's the saturation at the end of the cal tool that you should leave at (Default)

[mighty fable]

I love to tinker with settings, so I'm always open to new things I read.

[pastel solstice]

settings are fun but keeping as much unmodified as possible until the end of what you see is the way to go about it

[sudden thicket]

Considering 2 of us have reported the "cooked" colors issue. And the fact that Nvidia juices contrast by default in their driver settings, there are probably a lot of people with cooked colors who just don't know it.
(Until they come accross bright orange in WuWa)

[pastel solstice]

otherwise you can never know what is confounding what you see

[sudden thicket]

That's the annoying thing about Nvidia juicing stuff by default. I didn't even do it.

[mighty fable]

Oh, I see. That one I left as is. I like them natural.

[sudden thicket]

Actually, I should undo the Nvidia override and see if WuWa colors are still cooked. It could have just been subverting my Sat setting of the Windows icc

Before I tell others to change that.

[pastel solstice]

no man there's no reason to not be in reference mode

for anyone

[sudden thicket]

Kk. I'll just leave it then.

[pastel solstice]

i mean you can do whatever

but i would advise ppl not

[sudden thicket]

If I leave the override on it doesn't matter either way so... lol

[mighty fable]

Talking from experience, you should try anything considering colours as default for at least two or three days. You will be surprised, how nice it will look to you over time, and what details you are suddenly noticing.

[sudden thicket]

I've never been able to get used to RTings's settings.
It always just looks like the MGS3 piss filter to me.

[pastel solstice]

i think d65 looks really warm to ppl at first

but somehow when it settles it's fine

and i like being at d65 because it gives me the best place to see what other people see

[mighty fable]

That is exactly, what I'm talking about. The warm colours will look horrendous for most people, at first.

[sudden thicket]

Example to what I mean:

[pastel solstice]

the problem is is that what you're seeing on the left and i assume you like, looks normal to me but would probably look way too cold if i were to look at your screen

so i see that the right is supposed to be the warmer nasty one, but if you were to see my screen i'm seeing that image even warmer than you are

whereas if i were to look at it on yours, it probably looks closer to d65

anyway i think you'd get used to it

it just helps you see what creators see

[sudden thicket]

My monitor doesn't let me change anything other than color temp so... lol (which is set to 6500)

I just mean that the left image looks good but when I use "calibrated" settings from RTings my image ends up looking like the image on the right.

[pastel solstice]

but if you hate it, you hate it

[pastel solstice]

what do they recommend?

or you can link their page for it

[sudden thicket]

I'm talking about for other screens I've tried their settings for in the past.

Like if I use these for my S95D the "Warm" setting looks like that right image above.

[pastel solstice]

right, but you can have d65 and a neutral place to start without using their exact settings that you dislike

that looks normal to me, do they say what white point they target with that

because those could well be what i'd use on yours

on my tv i use warm 40 when i think the max is warm 50

err i use like warm 30 something

bc that's what started me closest to d65 when calibrating

[sudden thicket]

They just say this. Idk what white point they're using

[pastel solstice]

if you link me i can see

[sudden thicket]

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95d-oled

[pastel solstice]

OH

YEAH THEY'RE PAYWALLING NOW

L0L

[sudden thicket]

Yup...

[pastel solstice]

i guess you can screenshot their card grid where they put the results

if you care

[sudden thicket]

I don't have the membership either. XD

[pastel solstice]

oh

if i had to guess, i'd best on d65

[sudden thicket]

I would guess. they usually aim for 6500k with most of their settings I have seen

[mighty fable]

When looking for settings for my TV, I remember 6500k and 2.2 gamma being mentioned.

But they also state, that some of their settings might not be for most people, like SDR brightness of 12. Or colours at 25.

[pastel solstice]

no forget the sdr brightness

they're targetting some random sdr brightness

like 80 or 100

you do not need that

no idea about colors tho, maybe a certain color space

[mighty fable]

The SDR brightness in particular is amazing for me. I had that way too high before. Now I can see differences between light greys and whites way better.
The colour settings is saturation on my model. Max is 50.

[pastel solstice]

right, i meant that whatever value they'd have the saturation on is probably targeting a certain color space, and i'd guess your display targets that on its own at 25/50

yeah idk why display manufacturers tie brightness into contrast

but that sounds like what yours is doing

[mighty fable]

Yeah, the naming makes no sense.

[sudden thicket]

@pastel solstice

[pastel solstice]

ok yeah that's very slightly cooler technically but sometimes it's better to accept your display's native color space

otherwise you gimp color volume

[sudden thicket]

Unfortunately they do tuning for white balance that you can't really copy as it's down to the individual panel. (They don't report their tuning for that reason)

So if you just copy their preset you get this.

[pastel solstice]

uh

[rugged matrix]

Yes thats actually the wrong way to do it

You should set it clipping point to 1000

Or whatever your monitor actually clips at, not what rtings measure

[sudden thicket]

I'd ask you why I would do that. But I know you're not big on explaining stuff. (or maybe that's just the questions that come up a million times)

[pastel solstice]

just bc panels are different

and what you see on yours is what's gonna be best for you

[ocean elk]

Is this amount of glow in some parts of her clothes normal? 🤔

[rugged matrix]

Because it was programmed to clip at that value regardless of what it actually measures

42C2 clips at 800 nits signal

Regardless of the actual measurement being 700 nits

[mighty fable]

She has a lot of glowy shit.

[rugged matrix]

If you set your peak value to 940 nits

It will actually be lower than 940

Because your panel maps 1000 nits = max brightness

So if 1000 value = 940 actual

You set 940 value

You get less than 940 actual

[sudden thicket]

Yeah. That makes sense.

[ocean elk]

I see. her model in blender usually are not glowing so idk

[mighty fable]

It is more apparent with the new character lighting setting in Reno.

I have it at 50, and at night she kinda looks like a christmas tree.

[ocean elk]

be glowing, i have bloom at 30

the rest i have it to 100%

[pastel solstice]

yeaaaaaaa those lightup things on her do not get character lit in the same way that she does

also the new bloom brings bloom in tighter which makes it look more concentrated

so that plus character being dark because no light around you

christmas tree

[mighty fable]

Mornye, too. Just like a more elegant christmas tree.

But back to peak brightness. My TV is marketed as 2000 nits. I always set it to 1755 though. That number seemed more realistic to me, than the 2300~2500 other outlests were reporting.
But if I got that right, I should just go with 2000, since that is what Samsung set it to. Correct?

[sudden thicket]

Based on what Spi said, you should set it to what the manufacturer claims the TV to be. Because that is what their process mapping is built to interpret, despite w/e the actual output of the screen might be.

[mighty fable]

Will have to try that tomorrow in some games.

[rugged matrix]

Set it to the value where it actually clips

On 10% window

But yeah

[dawn delta]

https://youtu.be/NaTVmLivE8U?si=kz1VGMOrkxe79XmF

[sudden thicket]

So you're saying to set it to where it clips and not what the manufacturer rated max is??
Cause that's where I had it before with 920

[vapid lodge]

Got 26k astrites saved and waiting on that top off refresh. I'm ready. Got to finish skiprika's storyline though.

[sudden thicket]

^ Same

[vapid lodge]

Only thing is I never pulled Chisa. Got Lynae of course. Will pull her on the second half. A CC I follow recommends Regevernating Glow for her echo set for the Attack buff since Hiyuki scales off it

Will get Denia on rerun

[vapid lodge]

Looks amazing, thank you

[rugged matrix]

^

[rugged matrix]

Thats what i said since tbe beginning

Where it clips =/ what the manufacturer might advertise =/ what rtings measure

[sudden thicket]

Ok, yes.
RTings said 940 but I find mine clips at like 920.

[rugged matrix]

Sure then ur fine setting that at 920

1000 is also fine actually

Its a peak 1000

Modr

Or whayever it is right

[sudden thicket]

Manufacturer claims it is peak 1,000nit
It's a WOLED

PG27AQDM

[rugged matrix]

Yea just set it to 920 if it clips for you thrre

[nocturne frost]

or lower, if you are annoyed by the overly aggressive ABL

[pastel solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[pastel solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-to-see-here-explosion-explode-bomb-fire-gif-4923610

[rugged matrix]

If abl bothers you might as well use tb400

[mighty fable]

Is there a test image you'd recommend? I remember SK being mentioned?

[mighty fable]

Hot damn. Peaks at 2190.

[dawn delta]

red

[dawn delta]

Just realized this area in Jinzhou isnt scaled correctly

[pastel solstice]

it's the nba locker room

[safe prawn]

This game crashes so much in septimont that is crazy that they left this like this.

Seems its happening since the region launched

[rugged matrix]

Works Fine on My Machine

Make sure your crash is not related to Trash Generation

[ocean elk]

I don't think i ever had any crash in septimont

[pastel solstice]

You guys ever realized Septimont is just seven mountains/hills
in Japanese it’s セベンヒルズ -> seben hiruzu -> seven hills

[late nova]

sept monts -> seven hills in french

[pastel solstice]

Oh yeah sorry i didn’t mean Japanese was the canonical reason why haha

I just thought it was weird that they didn’t go for something more clever than just seven hills in the script they use for loanwords and just put seven hills in English

But I forgot about French honestly, I was thinking Latin

[safe prawn]

Its not due to Reno. Its due to Raytracing. Been known since the region launched.

[late nova]

Septmonts is a small village in the hauts-de-france region with a castle, i assume that's where they got the name from

[pastel solstice]

Awwww what that’s so cool

I hope so

[safe prawn]

They are all romance languages, some words are shared, kinda

In portuguese it would be Setemontes

Or Septimonte

[safe prawn]

Had nine so far, in the 2.6 region, crashed with or without reno or FG

Only solution to get through a cutscene was running in DX11

[ocean elk]

Like in a specific place of septimont?

im in game rn, i can see if i can replicate

[safe prawn]

I had a repeatable crash on the cutscene where Iuno lights the tower with her arrow

Crashed five times there

Then randomly in other places

[ocean elk]

oh if it is cutscenes then idk 🤔

[pastel solstice]

We all the same

[safe prawn]

All crashes where the error ray tracing sampler description overflow

[pastel solstice]

Oh yeah I see that shit too

Just make the cap bigger 4Head

[safe prawn]

The framerate cap?

[pastel solstice]

No the limit that kills it

I don’t know enough about ray tracing to actually say anything of substance tbh

So I was being sarcastic

If it overflows just make it bigger

[safe prawn]

Ah gotcha lmao

[limpid berry]

@rugged matrix what are your recommended settings on wuwa?

[safe prawn]

spiwar wholeheartedly recommends Framegeneration

8x if you are able

[rugged matrix]

^

[rugged matrix]

you can add saturation on top of that if that's what you want

[limpid berry]

Why highlights only 10?

[pastel solstice]

+10

That’s the old 60

[rugged matrix]

eh

i think thats 55

highlights shadows contrast 55

[rugged matrix]

testing but this is what i settled with for now

might turn it to +20

[pastel solstice]

No I meant since I changed how the sliders look

Not like the equivalent colors

When they used to center on 50 as “neutral”

[rugged matrix]

ya i think thats what I meant?

when I ctrl click +10

it shows me 55

the same value should be underneath

+20 is 60

[safe prawn]

cant wait

[pastel solstice]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for some reason i can't ctrl-click those at all anymore but that is not what i would've expected

[split glacier]

5 days 🥀🥀🥀

[nocturne frost]

No, RayTracing does not cause Wuwa to crash, unstable OC does.

make sure to update the nvidia driver to something more recent and stable like 595.79 (Use DDU)

then turn off GPU OC and try running the game in DX12 with RT enabled

[split glacier]

Or undervolt

Unreal engine is pretty sensitive

[safe prawn]

Nothing on my PC is OCed. Check reddit, this has been going on for a long time already.

[nocturne frost]

yea it's even more sensitive to undervolt

[nocturne frost]

the infamous RT crash was fixed like a year ago

FG is the main reason the game crashes

[safe prawn]

Sure thing
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1snslxk/heap_overflow_crash_pls_help/

[nocturne frost]

"Frame Gen: ON"

it's not RT

[safe prawn]

ok

[nocturne frost]

I use RT max settings since forever and zero crashes

[safe prawn]

Good for you!

[nocturne frost]

do you use FG?

[pastel solstice]

I use RT no FG and I do crash too

[safe prawn]

Yes, but it crashed with both it on and off.

[nocturne frost]

fix your PCs lol

[safe prawn]

You should send your DXDiag to Kuro, seems your pc has the perfect build combination, if you can get it to them WuWa will be saved from bad optimization and bugs

[rugged matrix]

ya

its squarely a you issue

I have zero crashes

lmao

[nocturne frost]

95%+ of the player base have zero crashes

you see the remaining 5% on reddit

[rugged matrix]

only crashes in this town are related to frame slop

and thats just the cost of doing business

[nocturne frost]

people just use w/e windows version

with w/e corrupted driver

[safe prawn]

Sure thing

[rugged matrix]

its surely a you thing when you're the only person still getting crashes

everyone had the ray tracing crash in 2.x including mpaul

it stopped

[safe prawn]

Wuwano just said above that they crashed with RT and no FG

[nocturne frost]

wuwano is crashing too apparently

[rugged matrix]

ask the last time he crashed

could jsut be referring to the past

for emotional support

we all remember when we were crashing

[nocturne frost]

@pastel solstice when was the last time your game crashed lol

[nocturne frost]

they fixed the crashing then they broke RTGI

[pastel solstice]

No idea, haven’t had a long enough play session in a while to cause one

Every time I have the game open recently I’m either on the intro screen or I get like one scene in 💀

[split glacier]

I never use RT so that might be why. Don't have any stability problems

[pastel solstice]

BUT I can’t remember if I tried wiping most of my custom Engine.ini stuff and I haven’t seen one since 🤔

[split glacier]

w self report

[nocturne frost]

I use SK with SK's reflex though

[split glacier]

I replaced SK with display commander

[nocturne frost]

maybe that "fixes"the crashes, but I doubt lol

[nocturne frost]

display commander was taken down tho

[split glacier]

?

[nocturne frost]

he was using too much of Kal's code lol

[rugged matrix]

ya

[split glacier]

Oh shit

[rugged matrix]

so yea that's it

[pastel solstice]

I used all that for like one day

[split glacier]

i like the tool tho ....

[pastel solstice]

And I was like ehhhhhh what am I doing all this for

[split glacier]

rip

[rugged matrix]

get your driver/gpu/windows/whatever fixed

[split glacier]

i still have it on my pc tho so

[pastel solstice]

Then just got rid of what I really didn’t like, which was vignette.

[nocturne frost]

he is rewriting it from scratch

[pastel solstice]

My understanding was it was the copied code + license disagreements

[split glacier]

Who's Kal by the way?

[pastel solstice]

Can’t do that 🚨

[nocturne frost]

SK's dev

[split glacier]

Ahh

[nocturne frost]

I was not a huge fan of SK in the past, but I really like it now

[rugged matrix]

uh

you've not been following?

catch up bruddah

its back up again

[nocturne frost]

SK's reflex is usualyl faster than native, wuwa runs a lot smoother with SK's reflex for example, and the "pace native frame" option with FG is also really really nice

[nocturne frost]

oh

[rugged matrix]

yes

pmnox is still working on it

[nocturne frost]

he is fast

lol

[rugged matrix]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1423918603035476041

back up for a while now

[nocturne frost]

2 weeks

no reason to use it for now tho

[rugged matrix]

why not

[nocturne frost]

I mean for me

SK just works