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[faint bobcat]

you're talking about a complete engine rewrite again

you dont "fix" this

[daring orbit]

I knew the textures would be trash,cause if this world is really 80km or whatever, 100gb isnt anywhere near big enough

[faint bobcat]

you need to redo it all

[crude marsh]

its 2026 and we made lights small because it costs too much fps to have lights

[karmic quest]

Then Ig there is no hope this game is doomed

We are left with Redo guys doing their best

[faint bobcat]

Maybe its the way Pearl operates, maybe this is all the optimisations they took for consoles

whatever it is

the game is what it is

[crude marsh]

hopefully we can figure out a way to balance light levels nicely

[sterile sable]

yeah at least let me use my vram, it's like 7gb on max settings

[faint bobcat]

They did say they will add RT shadows later on

but it will be surfels based still

[crude marsh]

30 fps

[gilded plover]

https://tenor.com/view/big-pile-of-shit-jurassic-park-gif-11774260

[faint bobcat]

I am trying a few methods to improve their cope RT solutions

[gilded plover]

[faint bobcat]

combat is peak though

[gilded plover]

atleast something

[faint bobcat]

you win some you lose 10000

[gilded plover]

kek

ping me when 20 bux

[crude marsh]

idk why i keep thinking of playing two worlds on xbox 360 when I think of this game

[blazing roost]

?

[worthy kernel]

no

[gilded plover]

damn you know that game?

[crude marsh]

ye

[daring orbit]

The water is pretty cool, with all the settings cranked, ill give them that

[gilded plover]

two worlds was cool asf to me as a kid

[daring orbit]

Except the waterfalls

[lyric aurora]

do you guys still use DLSS Q 4.0 or there's some fix to correctly use DLSS 4.5 without the shadow flickering

[late marlin]

so would you guys recommend this candle mod?

[final widget]

This game dark as shit

Cool tho

[crude marsh]

if you are gonna use the autoexposure setting in reno, I would say my LetThereBeMoreLight is pretty much a requirement

[final widget]

Oki

[crude marsh]

but we will find some way to improve it

still a work in progress

[late marlin]

i havent changed anything in reno except my peak nits. should i download both lettherbelight files or is the latest one the same just with more candle light?

[halcyon ibex]

Does this happen to anyone else? Neither the CPU nor the GPU are being used when I look at this address

[crude marsh]

more candle light I am not sure how reliable it is, seemed potentially wonky with some lights, it has the changes of the first one though

[gilded kestrel]

btw if someone doesnt have access to rr what settings would be best

[crude marsh]

I have really only tried RR with max everything, or max everything without RR

[late marlin]

no, thats weird. i use rtss to cap my frames 4 fps under refresh rate. this way x3 multi frame gen works best. so maybe you dont have a limiter?

[lyric aurora]

yo guys wtf is this mod ? Path tracing unlocked ??? What ?? https://www.nexusmods.com/crimsondesert/mods/114?tab=description

[ruby tusk]

As close to native as possible

[late marlin]

wtf?

[ruby tusk]

Read comments

[late marlin]

i would love it if i could use path tracing and no ray reconstruction so i can use dlss 4.5 😄

[true dagger]

hm

[gilded plover]

genuinely contemplating buying both games rn, you got me hella nostalgic

[true dagger]

most people saying it doesnt work tho

[halcyon ibex]

Go to this area and check it out, it seems to be only here, it's too strange

[late marlin]

many people say mod doesnt work, so...

[crude marsh]

most of the changes to the game files dont really... change things correctly, at least that is what I have found

[worthy kernel]

it would like a noisy mess anyway

[ruby tusk]

[worthy kernel]

DLSS4.5 is not a replacement for proper denoisers

[late marlin]

so lazorr, the latest file is the same as the file before that just with more candle light, am I right?

[crude marsh]

yeah

[late marlin]

dlss 4.5 CAN be very nice in denoising raytracing stuff though. with other games it was able to. maybe not with crimson desert unfortunately

[worthy kernel]

not for path tracing

[crude marsh]

well, this game has like 0 RT samples

[glad vessel]

I feel like lighting is very dependent on the area you are in. This was with the renoDX version from monday, the one that disabled auto white balance and has an issue with the vanilla value for flame saturation, so no lighting mods were used. I have scimmed through some messages here and it seemed like you guys were using another version to make night time much darker
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12821181668772942305/71707FCA604BC23DE020DBA0686D68F9B3AB3850/

but of course this only happened during the rain storm

[crude marsh]

and 4.5 cant denoise GI

[crude marsh]

the current stuff makes it more uniform

but realistically we need to find a way to control night time intensity a bit

[woven moat]

forgive my ignorance where do i download this mod , ive scrolled up and down many times..

[true dagger]

in the pins

[woven moat]

I found it, thanks.. which one do i download, let there be light ?

[true dagger]

so reno is the addon64 file, and let the be light is a mod that increases the game's fire/lights brightness and radius, so if you use reno and dont like how dark it is at night, you can either turn the "Improved Auto Exposure" off or keep it on if you like dark nights and i recommend installing the lights mod too

[halcyon ibex]

someone could check to confirm if it is a problem with the game or with my PC pls

[true dagger]

i personally prefer the dark nights with lazorrs mod

[woven moat]

thanks mate i appreciate it, does this affect performace at all ? already getting pretty crappy frames.. hdr isnt bad its the auto exposure thats bothering me the most

[true dagger]

nah shouldnt rly affect performance from what i know

[thin kelp]

why it so bright

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[crude marsh]

a little performance

[glad vessel]

I see, thank you! I will keep it at that for now, because I think it looks good enough. Also, I want to play the game now and not fall into the "modding rabbit hole" again.. I have had this more than enough during my Stalker-phase lol

[stone comet]

Lazors mod apparently affects a bit of perf?

[crude marsh]

when there are a lot of lights

[granite sentinel]

I have the same problem there. It's an issue with the game

[crude marsh]

game uses rendering old enough for increased light intensity to have a cost

[viscid wedge]

I think you might have missed the context. I don't use snipping tool for screenshots, at least gaming. ReShade or SK, of course. I use SKIV specifically for viewing and if necessary converting but to take the shots? not sure how that would work.

[true dagger]

it has a take screenshot function too

[halcyon ibex]

thank you♥

[true dagger]

no need to inject if u dont want to

[narrow frost]

Dragon's Dogma 2 with enabling PT in the engine through Graphics Suite, DLSS 4.5 with preset L is impressively good at getting rid of the noise.
Did an entire playthrough like that mainly using the "hybrid" mode since there was some quirks with full PT at times.
Problem with this game is that a lot of the noise is from the game itself and not just from RT (play rasterized for instance and you'll see what I mean). 😄

[rough granite]

did you find a setting for the lantern beam when activating it / aiming with it? to make it (a lot) less bright

[worthy kernel]

Yes but any version of RR would blow 4.5 out of the water
Again, DLSS does not replace a proper denoiser

I've seen footage of DD2 with 4.5, and there's still massive oily textures whenever something is not hit by sunlight directly

[worthy belfry]

anyone been able to test this?

nvm looked at the comments

[true dagger]

i dont get this on my end

[crude marsh]

they use a ton of different techniques and mash them together and a TON of screenspace stuff

including screenspace RT

and then very few actual RT samples

1/16th sample per pixel for diffuse GI and 1/4th for specular

[narrow frost]

True, also because that's how the game itself looks. The game is very noisy by itself even without any RT.

[crude marsh]

didnt spend enough time testing each one

LightPreset.xml

if you want to fiddle

fire needs to go up to ~15000, that is the best change thus far

[karmic quest]

Do I install both of these fixes you made lazorr?

[viscid wedge]

really. the UI (as minimal as it is) I guess never made that obvious. huh

[karmic quest]

Or the latest one in pins works also for the light fix

[halcyon ibex]

What are these options for? I just installed the new version. Do I need to have something activated because I don't see any change.

[crude marsh]

just one of them

[digital quest]

@crude marsh Did you stumble upon on something that lets you reduce the sample per pixel for the RTGI in rr?

[crude marsh]

various fixes and improvements

[karmic quest]

Ok, gonna do the latest one.

[crude marsh]

no

[true dagger]

when you have SKIV open, right click and go settings, there you see the key binds

[crude marsh]

I mean 1 sample is already really low lol

[digital quest]

You are right but my 4070 cannot cope with it I refuse to play the game without RR too. It looks too ass

[cyan pivot]

why renodx file is getting deleted when I added it to game folder?

[crude marsh]

AV

[worthy belfry]

1440p balanced dlss with fg is gna be the best u can get lol

i have a 4070 too

it doesnt feel too bad

[narrow frost]

I'm on a 4070 Super, just happy that I can maintain 60-70 fps with RR on at 1440p without FG (performance upscaling - cinematic preset).

*SDR screenshot to show overlay

[analog prism]

why does my game freeze when running DLAA. I'm guessing the slight undervolt but it's never been an issue with any other game

[karmic quest]

Disable smart app control

Add exception to Crimson desert folder too

[halcyon ibex]

when you fight a boss those fps are going to go crazy

[cyan pivot]

its off, will do the exception, thank you

[analog prism]

nice result. I too have 4070s but can't get those frames, and in some sections I do but I feel the input way more than with lower settings

[karmic quest]

Ngl, Performance Mode on DLSS aint it, better running RR with FG X2 and Dlss quality.

[narrow frost]

It has been good, absolute lowest I had it drop is 58.

[halcyon ibex]

Does it still not have a way to disable TAA in this game?

[flint moss]

Theres a new cam mod out on nexus, in comments it seems promising. Anyone tried it yet?

[karmic quest]

Waiting for comments on this lol

[karmic quest]

TAA is only when runing no DLSS, full native.

[narrow frost]

Problem is that I will gain maybe 20-30% "more fps" at best, with double the latency, I'm good 😄

not worth it.

[halcyon ibex]

For that same reason I want to play it without DLSS I like how games look in native but the TAA ruins it

[analog prism]

CDCamera ?

[viscid wedge]

DLSS 4.0 Performance + RR + FG just to get a nice comfortable ~90-100fps at 4K here. Looks quite good too.

[karmic quest]

DLSS 4.5 is good enoigh

[karmic quest]

Im getting about same with dlss quality at 1440P

Some places 120fps

[narrow frost]

What CPU are you rocking with it? mine is a bit overkill with a 9800X3D but its insanely smooth in all games. 😄

[analog prism]

7500F

[flint moss]

No its a new one "proper 3d camera"

[faint bobcat]

Vanilla / RT stuff

[narrow frost]

Ahh nice 👍

[flint moss]

That cpu is goated value

[lament orchid]

does that mod do anything or is it just slop?

[thin kelp]

why vanilla looks better

[analog prism]

im going to test it now

[flint moss]

But yeah the 7500f probably struggles in fights tbh, lowering fps and thus increasing latency ig

I saw benchmarkking mention cpu bottleneck in fights

[faint bobcat]

hence the hmmm

trying to figure out some stuff

not saying it is better

[true dagger]

well i haven’t tried but going off the comments i wouldn’t install it as of yet

[flint moss]

Forge it does look like youve managed to tap into something there that isnt regular exposure

[narrow frost]

Very likely the case, saw that even 5700X3D & 5800X3D bottlenecks the 4070 Super at times in this game during certain scenarious.

[neon whale]

I like the second one better

[digital quest]

this part looks better imo

[flint moss]

Me too tbh

[obsidian locust]

Just push the button to snip the screen

[flint moss]

Glad i upgraded recently to 9800x3d then, cpu stutter is a thing of the past

[obsidian locust]

Called "Region" in this case

[analog prism]

camera mod is good so far

[obsidian locust]

And unlike the stupid Windows snipping tool, SKIV is smart enough to tell when SDR content is on screen in HDR and avoids tonemapping, it can do a lossless reversal of the DWM's scaling.

For real HDR content, it can store it in HDR or tonemap to SDR (much higher quality than snipping tool)

[boreal thunder]

RenoDX is a lifesaver. Traveling and playing on my laptop with a crappy IPS screen, increasing adaptive contrast by a little bit and saturation by quite a bit really helped!!!

[flint moss]

Nice!

[narrow frost]

I went from a i7 8700k to 9800X3D in August, used the same 4070 Super with the same screen, at native it wasn't bad and most of the time 96-99% on the GPU.
But the moment I tried using upscaling, the CPU held me back lol.

[faint bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[viscid wedge]

Yeah thats cool I had no idea SKIV specifically did that. Now if I can get it to function like snipping tool in that its always running in the background and I don't have to think about it, perfection. I'll play around.

[flint moss]

nice, thats a massive upgrade. cpu stutter begone

[narrow frost]

Yeah its all in my other PC now, that has my old 1080 Ti 👑

[obsidian locust]

Yeah, designed it to be a comprehensive tool for HDR-related image stuff.
Cause the stuff built-in to the OS sucks 🙂
Select "Close to the notification area" in the Advanced section to do what you want.

[rough granite]

@crude marsh lantern activated is this one:

<Light Name="V_In_Down_sp146p" Value="10000" ColorTemperature="5000"/>

lantern on hip:

<Light Name="V_In_Down_LD20R6" Value="5" ColorTemperature="5700"/>

[faint bobcat]

we have more bounced lighting now bois

exposure is the same

[flint moss]

yooo i like this new 3rd person camera mod

[flint moss]

HUH

LEGEND

[sterile sable]

will it make outdoor night brighter a bit too?

[faint bobcat]

yes

only works for RR

though

[sterile sable]

[faint bobcat]

also has a perf hit

about 1.5ms on 5090 for me

[karmic quest]

Omg

[rough granite]

might be welcoming as autoexposure seems to lose the bounce light inside effect

[cyan pivot]

guys first time playing the game, is it this dark? cant see shit lol

[digital quest]

[lucid thorn]

I have no rr 🙁

[karmic quest]

I'm already at 25ms bro 😭

[cyan pivot]

man RE9 wasn't this dark

[sterile sable]

what about outdoor daylight? right looking kinda flat

[lucid thorn]

Are clouds covering the sun

[hollow pollen]

Oh my god this is huge. Thanks for all the effort you put into this.

[faint bobcat]

Auto exposure isnt controlling that, what Pearl did was "optimise" by not using lighting

but instead relying on auto exposure for lighting

which is why uncooking their auto exposure

made interiors darker

[rough granite]

makes sense

[faint bobcat]

interiors need both boosted lights and more bounced lighting

[thin kelp]

any way to "fix" lighting indoors without RR?

[karmic quest]

Cant wait for the finished products. These guys know their stuff

[faint bobcat]

use Lazorr's local light tweaks

but non RR is just cooked either way

thats just the game

RR is already glue and duct tape

[elfin hollow]

MFG 6x will save

[faint bobcat]

DLSS 5

• LSFG

from dual GPU

[outer furnace]

dlss5 klyff

[karmic quest]

Pearl Abyss devs might as well pay these guys to fix their game lmfao.

[stone comet]

Lets gooooo

Thats so sick

[elfin hollow]

Seems this game sits in the perfect range for DMFG to work for me. Hovering around needing 3x-4x

[thin kelp]

kk

[elfin hollow]

Been gone a few days, but these movement fixes feel so good

And ofc you guys have transformed the game in 2 days

[flint moss]

now i need to get a 5090 💀

[lyric aurora]

i think this is a no but do you think these tweaks will be available today ? 🤓

[karmic quest]

These guys are crazy. Never seen anyone doing changes so big in such a short time

[faint bobcat]

OK so I think I have a clue of what is happening. Pearl has also turbo boosted raster IBL as a solution for lighting however it is really bad and makes dawn / dusk overly bright. There will be no sun out or shadows anywhere yet the terrain is all light up unnaturally with lighting???

Since I have now adjusted their RT to have more bounced lighting, exteriors look really bad with even more lighting. I will now try reducing their raster IBL (probably from probes)

This way RT + RR + restir is doing the work. Should also fix foliage and co looking unshaded

[karmic quest]

I was wondering this how is my grass so bright when Im in the forests.

Tho I was not running RR at the time and only had RT

[rough granite]

Tuned lantern activation / aiming with it so its not much brighter VS light on hip

<!-- Aiming with Lantern: -->
<Light Name="V_In_Down_sp146p" Value="1000" ColorTemperature="5700"/>
<!-- HIP Lantern: -->
<Light Name="V_In_Down_LD20R6" Value="4000" ColorTemperature="5700"/>

( @crude marsh )

[analog prism]

I just tested a mod that decoupled RR from lighting settings and seem to be getting decent fps RR+ultra lighting

[thin kelp]

at least to make it "decent" and bearable

[karmic quest]

It worked? No way.

[left mason]

is preset E or D reccomended for this game?

[rough granite]

@real idol

[plush parcel]

where how

[neat tree]

preset E makes cutscenes look really bad for me personally

[narrow frost]

Personally been running E, just make sure to turn off DoF or else it messes with cutscenes/vendors etc.

[neat tree]

oh is that how that works

[dire pilot]

Yeah I turned off dof and it fixed the cutscenes in e

[left mason]

ill try E rn

thanks yall

[analog prism]

I havent tested a lot but yeah seems like it. @plush parcel its on nexus CD Mod Manager. but I wasnt interested in the other mods he provides, just the RR one

[lucid thorn]

Isn't that the mod with a lot of comments talking about how it didn't work

[viscid wedge]

yes

[lucid thorn]

Ah I see

[analog prism]

there are some comments saying the RR mod works though but it's not a great modpack/manager otherwise

I also have to test more

[stone comet]

I saw a shit ton saying it doesnt even work so would be nice

The LOD one seems good if it actually works

[karmic quest]

Doesnt using RR it defaults to one preset with no option to change it?

[viscid wedge]

I think i'm going to just give all these mods time to settle down and just enjoy the game instead. Game hasn't even been out a week. Time later to screw with stuff and break the game.

[narrow frost]

Default is D if you haven't altered it, you can change it through NVIDIA App and or the NVIDIA Profile Inspector (prefer this one).

[stone comet]

Apparently E is better for a few things but need to disable DoF

Honestly dof doesn't even seem to do much when i tried it lmao

[karmic quest]

Gonna put Preset E in nvidia app then and see how it goes ty.

[faint bobcat]

I suspect its caused by their raster IBL / skylighting

I am looking at now reducing it, so the combo will be Improved bounces will handle lighting instead of skylighting

I just need to tuned it

[worldly swan]

link?

[boreal thunder]

Thanks guys for RenoDX - game is really popping on my 4090PC with crappy IPS screen now

[hardy owl]

It would be awesome if Forge could take a look at the Misalignment with Screen Space maps at some point. I think that along with the LOD issues are the remaining visually troublesome issues

[boreal thunder]

I still miss my home setup but for traveling it is good enough

[harsh pewter]

ngl making that shit an executable "mod pack" looks sketchy af, id be scared that its malware of some sort

[wispy crown]

Does the candletest work for the more light mod or bugged and I should use normal mod?

Btw the RenoDX mod now is so good. I still have to go 1.5 Exposure to get vanilla like lighting and it seems like hue restoration doesn't work at all but I really like the result now with psycho tonemapping.

[analog prism]

im taking one for the team

[outer furnace]

I didnt notice a difference with this mod tbh

[stone comet]

Good luck i wish a merry no crypto miner

[faint bobcat]

WTF

[hardy owl]

What's this?

[faint bobcat]

RT improvements

[faint bobcat]

@wheat elk

[outer furnace]

game 1 week old and people already working on a remaster tss

[faint bobcat]

@sudden pulsar

[naive terrace]

[faint bobcat]

^

[hardy owl]

It looks really good. I am watching it now on my hdr screen. Holy moly

Is there a big performance hit?

[karmic quest]

Bless this soul

[faint bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[karmic quest]

Is that normal RT or with RR

[lyric aurora]

omg bro ! release it D

[faint bobcat]

1.5ms on 5090 over vanilla

it might grief scenes with a lot of lights

I am not sure

[karmic quest]

Pfft, we aint playing at 300fps online game here are we? 1.5ms is nothing

[hardy owl]

My 4090 should be fine then 💀

[narrow frost]

What's your total GPU ms?

[sinful wharf]

that looks amazing!!

[wispy crown]

Any noise problems?

[faint bobcat]

dependsTM

a bit less

and a bit more

depending on the area

the noise is less noise

and more the patchy moving

you see

its not a harsh noise

[wispy crown]

Yeah probably more in low light scenes and less in brighter ones. Similar to CP2077

Can't be worse than the typical noise in the game

[hardy owl]

Nvidia needs to update Ray Reconstruction at some point. I think many games would benefit from it

[wispy crown]

Is it just for RR and you adjusted the ReSTIR values? Otherwise multiple bounces should have a much higher perf impact or?

I'm currently looking into it a bit myself and these guys do neither use SER nor OMM? Am I seeing this correctly? No wonder the performance is such a shitshow.

Imagine using cutting edge rendering techniques without using the tech that is specifically made to make it perform halfway decent

[hardy owl]

There seems to be a lot of questionable choices made by the developers

[crude marsh]

notice how your GPU clocks very high and has low temps

unlike

every other modern game

[wispy crown]

True didn't even see that yet

AMD sponsored title™

[sterile sable]

So... With RR paralax effect getting almost fully disable is it game's intened look or not?

[karmic quest]

My gpu working like usual. High usage, normal temps, solid boost

[wispy crown]

Probably a bug. Depth algorithm is fucked in RR it seems.

[crude marsh]

nah clocks are around 200MHz higher and temps arent pushed at all

[karmic quest]

Tho my vram increases overtime so there is a leak somewhere

[crude marsh]

at least on a 50 series

[karmic quest]

My clocks are manually set, so it stays at 2920MHz for me on 5070 ti

[wispy crown]

That's not how GPU memory works. It's best practice to let VRAM accumulate and only clear when it reaches a threshold. Doesn't mean it's a leak

[viscid wedge]

VRAM increasing over time doesn't automatically mean there is a "leak". When you first load in VRAM usage then after playing for an hour, it will be more in most cases.

[crude marsh]

if you have a constant clock set... hmm

[wispy crown]

Constant clocks in this day and age is quite a decision

[jolly jolt]

How feasible is it to decouple enabling RR from lighting quality being forced to max? Would the denoiser have too little info to work at high/medium to function?

[karmic quest]

I mean I dont have the issues when its full because I have 16gb, there are couple in the crimson desert forums where they start losing quality on the game itself over time and they commented that the game was pushing its vram limits after some time.

[stark arch]

game fixed yet? foliage looks good?

[crude marsh]

in virtually every game I play, end up around 2750MHz and 75-80C, sit at 2900 and mid 60s in this game

[karmic quest]

Like how much? I typically go from 5.7 to like 8.7 I've noticed.

[narrow frost]

Are you UV or Overclocking, or is it running bonestock?
I'm running UV and getting same identical clocks as other games with ~170-180w power draw.

[crude marsh]

undervolt/overclock

[viscid wedge]

seems reasonable. This game is incredibly conservative with VRAM allocation. (for better or worse)

[karmic quest]

Weird, dont have that issue otherwise my gpu would be frying itself haha

Or crashing

Haven't tested 3120 MHz on my gpu with the voltages I set on it.

[viscid wedge]

Its like its trying its hardest to meet an 8GB threshold most of the time.

[wispy crown]

GPU clocks change depending on which instructions are executed. Same like CPUs who downclock when using AVX512 or something like that.

[crude marsh]

afaik no way to decouple the custom RR lighting from RR yet

[karmic quest]

One user here said they did it

[crude marsh]

I dont believe it

[viscid wedge]

This guy claims it works, but would need verification.

#1469072401450012774 message

[harsh pewter]

theres a sketchy "modpack" executable on nexusmods with users saying it worked

[crude marsh]

the mechanism for changing the lighting quality value has been shown to not work

[wispy crown]

There was a mod that claimed it did it but it seems to only have unlocked the menu item. It didn't really do anything in the background afaik. Mod is also removed from NexusMods.

[crude marsh]

it changes in UI though

[crude marsh]

right, which is why it seems there is some missing hw acceleration

[deft pulsar]

some guy could enable RR on RDNA 3 with DLSS enabler

just resulted in higher quality reflection iirc

which would make sense since that scales with lighting quality preset

[karmic quest]

Would that explain perf inconsitencies between the same gpus / cpus n shit

[blazing ledge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimsonDesert/s/4eLRLBKPU9

is it true DLSS is posted after effects but before UI? they say it's wrong pipeline = more blurrier image that looks like you just lowered the render scale

[wispy crown]

Forge please release RT fix. Can't play the game now that I've seen the truth

[faint bobcat]

I didnt "increase" actual ray or bounces. https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~tzli/spmis_restir.pdf This just came out, I took a look at it and reworked the base game's RIS + neighbours (which uses jacobian)

So it's a better usage of the existing game's stuff rather than just bruteforcing more rays/bounces

[faint bobcat]

AyyMD + conslows

cant use SER or OOM and since they made this to be "optimised"

that means the rest of us have shit perf

[wispy crown]

Btw do you have any donation link @faint bobcat ?

[stone comet]

Lmao

[faint bobcat]

on the addon

theres link button

for me, Jon and Shortfuse

I couldnt say exactly what the perf gains would be

but SER + OOM is typically what

+30%ish

might be higher here

[karmic quest]

So basically Devs optimized the game the way they shouldn't have

[wispy crown]

Heavily depends on the amount of RT done. I think in CP2077 the research paper said 50%?

[lucid thorn]

Is any of the work you're working on non rr 👀

[faint bobcat]

rn for RT? no

needs RR

[lucid thorn]

Understood 🙏

[faint bobcat]

Just what it is

[karmic quest]

I knew this game was too good to be true when I pre-ordered it

Smh

Friend overhyped me into buying

[wispy crown]

Found it. Thanks!

[faint bobcat]

Never beating the allegations btw

every AyyMD title

[viscid wedge]

Game is fantastic

[faint bobcat]

has shenanigans

[lament nymph]

ex-friend u mean

[crude marsh]

I can move the location of the upscale pass, but I don't think its as simple as that

[wispy crown]

Ah then it makes sense that it's just 1.5ms.

[karmic quest]

Dont get me wrong, I love certain aspects, but when I play a fresh game and major one like this I expect the graphics to be spot on

[crude marsh]

at least in the realm of good graphics anyways

[lament nymph]

don't have to be spot on, just have to be consistently competent

can look average and is fine

this is below average

[viscid wedge]

In 2026, I don't. Just gotta get it to a point where you can focus on the gameplay and its much easier.

[lucid thorn]

I don't have constant stutters, it feels forbidden

[karmic quest]

Renodx team doing gods work for real

[hardy owl]

I think Pearl Abyss is a relatively small company though so it makes sense that graphics aren't as good as some of the triple A open world games we have seen

[karmic quest]

Didn't they have 1000 devs making this game

I dont think thats a small number

Tho for the amount of mechanics they were implementing maybe it was..

[lucid thorn]

Think it's less

I think pearl abyss as a studio has 1k but BDO and crimson desert team were split

[karmic quest]

Internet is saying it was 200-250

Maybe I was wrong

[lucid thorn]

Afaik this is the amount yeah

[wispy crown]

It's hard to say because there have been a lot of external contractors probably

[hardy owl]

I am pretty sure it's a small team. For example AC Shadows had like 2000 developers working across many countries. Its a big difference

[karmic quest]

Still made snooze game, even though it was beautiful.

[lucid thorn]

Yeah even with contractors extender rough math has like 200 people or less, even with contractors it's nowhere near what, 500? Let alone 1k

[hardy owl]

I agree. I am a big Assassin's Creed fan but Shadows was so underwhelming man

[smoky brook]

Isn't the game performing worse on AMD despite all these "optimisations"

[covert ruin]

ubisoft just can’t get facial animation right i don’t know why

[lucid thorn]

It performs better on Nvidia yeah

But Nvidia also has way more money and shit.

And Intel got shafted on arc cards, who knows what's going on aha

[hardy owl]

They can do better cutscenes and facial animation but one of the devs admitted in a interview that the bosses don't want the team to invest money in motion capture. It's stupid but it's happening within this company

[wispy crown]

Nvidia has just the better Hardware and driver path for modern rendering techniques. AMD is sadly lacking behind quite a lot.

[stone comet]

Cant even get cutscenes or just normal scenes right

[lucid thorn]

Nvidia is also the most valuable company in the world and just bigger than amd

[wispy crown]

They just started to support OMM for RT but SER is still out of the question. Even Intel implemented an SER path. The gaps will probably get even bigger now that it's DX standard.

[karmic quest]

I think AMD was lagging behind like 1 generation?

[stone comet]

Everything is just 1 camera shot and switch between both characters its so ass

[wispy crown]

No excuse really. Even Intel manages to get that part right though they have different issues.

[wispy crown]

More like 2 generations. SER/OMM was introduced with RTX 4000 series.

[karmic quest]

Nvidia has so many good features that I just couldn't go with 9070XT and Im glad I didn't

[lucid thorn]

Nah but the game industry have revolved around Nvidia for a long time, hard to make advancements when Nvidia sets the path and you have to follow I guess I dunno

I've got an amd gpu cause I can't justify more than 2x the cost for the same rasterization performance here

[wispy crown]

No one dictates that. If AMD could make a better software that is open source, many developers would use it but AMDs resources to get next gen visuals are outright bad in most cases.

[stone comet]

Ai is just mega feeding nvidia infinite money as well

[lucid thorn]

Well, yes.

[lucid thorn]

Good luck doing that I guess :p

[sudden pulsar]

Did you port the internals to UE5?

[stone comet]

We might be fried im afraid

[wispy crown]

Nanite foliage modded into Crimson Desert when?

[lucid thorn]

I've watched Nvidia be on top forever and just Google their shit constantly. Remember physx, hairworks, etc? Wild. And then they decided ray tracing is the future and then upscaling and then games got weird for awhile 😂

[hardy owl]

Forge will have it ready tomorrow evening

[lucid thorn]

Ah yes, forgite grass

[wispy crown]

Raytracing was always the future for rendering way before Nvidia was even founded. Nvidia just was the one that made it technically possible in realtime.

[stone comet]

Forge porting entire game to ue5 by the end of the week

[lucid thorn]

Ye for sure

[viscid wedge]

RTX VSR / HDR for video content are my killer features. 4K users, VSR is so good that when you disable it, you tube content looks horrible (as so many people still upload in 1080p). I can't live without it.

[tribal goblet]

It isn't even fully utilising my 7800XT 😭

[viscid wedge]

yes it is

[tribal goblet]

Other games do 270 watts

[analog prism]

To circle back on that RR mod I talked about earlier. I decided I'm gonna wait for a proper mod or at least something that feels less sketch. Didn't properly test it but reading comments here that it just enabled the menu setting (and not actually do much) makes sense.

[lucid thorn]

I just double checked, the cheapest 5080 is 1900 CAD

At least here

5090 is currently 5k

[wispy crown]

Problem is RR enabled a lot of features not being able to select outside of that RR toggle

[analog prism]

It tanks fps hard yeah

[hollow kiln]

Yo yo - fresh meat arriving after having watched the 2 hour stream video discussing renodx + cd. seems straightforward enough but wish to be super clear.

1. reshade with addons
2. blabla.addon64
3. profit

[wispy crown]

Correct. Put the .addon64 file into /bin64/xx.addon64

[narrow frost]

Cheapest one here is 1269,90€ 🙃

[hollow kiln]

See if I can actually see something in the forest now and not black n white tv static

[sterile sable]

does this also feature more candle lights?

[plush parcel]

@crude marsh that's what's allegedly unlocking RR from Lighting setting

[stone comet]

Add exception to antivirus for the addon as well

[woven ice]

DLAA with HDR is broken (some kind of black rectangle gitching on top), but I still prefer RR with DLSS balanced over no RR
can't decide on the auto-exposure thing, but haven't tried the increased lights from this morning yet

[stone comet]

The increased lights make it way better

[wispy crown]

That just changes the UI

[stone comet]

Interiors still need a bit of tweaking but its solid

[hardy owl]

The increase lights along with dark night makes the game looks INCREDIBLE. So much better

[plush parcel]

oh

[rough granite]

its based on the first upload from Lazorr, not the candletest

[outer furnace]

do you use the one with candles or without? I tried the candles one and tbh couldnt see much of a difference..

[wispy crown]

The RR toggle activates a lot of tech in the background that has nothing to do with max lighting quality

[stone comet]

At work so havent gotten to use candle one yet

[tribal goblet]

Ray Reconstruction is beautiful on my 7800XT

[karmic quest]

I think you forgot to open your game sir

[plush parcel]

Yea so I've heard but it also does the max lighting thing no ?

[lucid thorn]

"why doesn't it work" 😂

[wispy crown]

Yeah kind of. I don't think we fully know yet but it seems like the "lighting quality" is just replaced with whatever RR enables in the background. It's just locked to max for the end user to understand that changing the "lighting quality" will not have any influence on the visuals when having RR active because it does something different anyways.

[lucid thorn]

Lazorr mentioned that it's not actually max lighting, it just sets the text to it but that it's its own thing

... I think

[plush parcel]

I see thanks a lot

[analog prism]

This is actually making me feel bad for trying such a mod with .exe. I'm usually more careful

[plush parcel]

Okay I see this conversation was happening already i'm blind 😂

[flint moss]

Fr those images Forge put out will make me use RR on my measly 4070 ti S. If that doesnt work ill just upgrade lol.

[analog prism]

measly?

[faint bobcat]

would be easier for Lazorr to fix

[analog prism]

nice card man

[faint bobcat]

[stone comet]

LOL

[flint moss]

in this game at least xD. ive been happy with it so far

[faint bobcat]

temu nanite at home bro

(this is material ID /s)

[wispy crown]

RR has a lot of issues you don't see in the screenshots. Playing in Cinematic/Ultra mix with 4.0 DLSS Quality or DLAA is quite a nice experience.

[karmic quest]

Ah perfect I can play like this without being high

[wispy crown]

Wait though that looks kinda clean. I expected way worse.

[outer furnace]

if youre ok with ultra performance at 4k yeah will work

and 2x fg ofc

[flint moss]

without RR u mean?

[wispy crown]

Yes

[wispy crown]

[flint moss]

i wouldve been if i could run 4.5, but ultra performance on 4.0 is a bit...

[outer furnace]

its bad yeah

[viscid wedge]

Ugh, I tried 4.0UP at 4K and was not happy with it.

[outer furnace]

but if youre playing on a tv and have some distance to the screen it might be stomacheable

[upper sun]

We really need the new upscalers for RR

performance without M or L looks so ass

[faint bobcat]

I am joking, this isnt actually nanite like or virtualised geo. This is just their materialID serach up

the game doesnt use it

just basic ahh LODs

[hardy owl]

Plot twist. Forge is actually working with Pearl Abyss to pump these improvements

[hollow kiln]

I tried ultra performance and RR. Vomit everywhere. My old 3080 canny handle the reconstructed rays cry cry

[outer furnace]

Forge is already working on Crimson Desert Remastered

[wispy crown]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[karmic quest]

If we fund raised 1 million dollars could Forge rework the entire engine

[outer furnace]

I know... im doing performance at 4k right now and its ok but only 80fps with 2x fg which brings its own problems

its borderline ok but im not happy with it

might go back to RR off

[viscid wedge]

I'm happy with this. Looks good on my C2, plays smooth. Same setup.

[hollow kiln]

bleuch FG is like dragging your eyes through soup. Some games handle it better than others and don't add stupid amounts of lag but this is not one of those games.

[sterile sable]

I think what they need to do is release like texture pack because game barely using 7gb vram at max settings for "optimization"

[outer furnace]

5070ti as well?

[karmic quest]

Debating to trying out crimson desert on my samsung s85f oled

[wispy crown]

I'm doing 5120x2160 RR performance with about 80-90 FPS after 2x FG and it feels quite okay I would say. From which resolution you do performance though?

[outer furnace]

4k

[viscid wedge]

4090. 90-100fps with the same DLSS-P, RR, FG 2x.

I can can sit back and just enjoy the game now, no hiccups

[hollow kiln]

3080, 60-70fps @ 1440p, no upscaling. RR off. most things cinematic.

[outer furnace]

i have to add im also using the immerse clarity filter which eats 7-8 fps but i cant live without it

[sterile sable]

what about latency though? for me 4k perf has higher latency than 1440p 4x fg quality

[smoky brook]

still a bit dark but better with @crude marsh 's latest lighting boost

[karmic quest]

How big latency diff

[smoky brook]

although what did they expect in a room with no windows and only candles

[sterile sable]

something like 65 vs 45

[narrow frost]

Total latency?

[sterile sable]

too dark imo

[harsh pewter]

yea idk how anyone can play like that, i cant see shit

[flint moss]

um my nits and paper white disappeared in my renodx

[wispy crown]

Use Liliums Robust Contrast Adaptive Sharpening for HDR.

[karmic quest]

65ms total latency not bad

If gpu latency not good

[sterile sable]

had to turn off auto exposure for now, it messes up with lamps a bit. Without it they're lit more in top part with it on they're flat lit

[viscid wedge]

I'm playing with a controller, a small latency jump aint gonna kill me.

[analog prism]

is there any point to using dlss swapper to change to the newest version?

[smoky brook]

room is here btw, its the contribution shop in the first town which you access a bit later, not sure if its unlocked from start of game

[karmic quest]

This game is pretty forgiving on taking hits except bosses that stunlock

[smoky brook]

kinda agree but pick your poison. It is sorta not that bad when actually playing

i would have posted a vanilla comparison, but it would still have the candle light boost, so wouldnt have been accurate

[slim lily]

yeah agreed lol, funny to see your post i literally just closed the game from the very same room to install the lighting fix and see if it improved. tbh i think im fine with it, ill just use my lantern indoors, getting flashbanged everytime im in a forest during the day is not nice lol

[stone comet]

Its genuinely way too dark but the lighting fix fixes it

Auto exposure linked to actual lighting moment

[sterile sable]

whatever is shown in nvidia overlay also it;s 69 vs 45

[flint moss]

my peak brightness is gone. I tried reinstalling reshade but no luck, anyone could help me?

[sterile sable]

for me the only real issue of game is blurry dlss visuals

[viscid wedge]

Nvidia PCL readout probably. "PC Latency" so just the stuff shown here under that name.

[sterile sable]

the only proper setting is dlaa

[lucid shoal]

Maybe HDR turned off in the game itself

[sterile sable]

yes it's pcl

[rough granite]

On the outside sometimes the auto exposure feel too bright / loss of details VS native (brighter is reno auto exposure on)

[flint moss]

right you are, ty!

[wispy crown]

I always play with 1.5 Exposure when using the Enhanced Auto Exposure toggle. Nvm wtf why is your picture so bright?

[rough granite]

my exposure is already 0.7 :/

[wispy crown]

On my end auto exposure makes the picture less bright

[stone comet]

Thats the case for pmuch everyone really

[wispy crown]

252 game brightness with under 1000 nits max brightness is crazy

[stone comet]

Im at 1k nits just chilling on 203

[rough granite]

what should be the value? I tried to compensate for auto exposure being too dark inside / at night a bit

[wispy crown]

Yeah that's the default HDR choice.

[sly vigil]

lmao the fat cats in this game

[hardy owl]

What is the best combination in your opinion?

[wispy crown]

Use 1000/203 and for brightening up the scene always use Exposure instead of game brightness

[wispy crown]

Depends on display. 203/1000 is a nice starting point.

[narrow frost]

I see, presentmon should be more accurate since NVIDIA does it in a "not so standard" way (forgot to add the total PC latency - its 32-34ms).

[wispy crown]

Peak brightness is determined by your 2.5/5/10 percent panel max brightness

[viscid wedge]

Peak is also pulled automatically from Windows if you've run the calibration app

[hardy owl]

That's exactly how I am playing it and it looks great. I haven't seen anything weird

[wispy crown]

Sadly the calibration app is totally bugged so yeah... Don't rely on that.

[viscid wedge]

Eh

[wispy crown]

If I do the calibration app my panel would have a peak brightness of 2500+ nits... Most panels have forced tonemapping and no way to use HGIG.

[hardy owl]

I used the HDR windows calibration tool. Is it bad?

[viscid wedge]

No

[feral bluff]

Its not bugged

[plush parcel]

I used the windows calibration tool with my monitor in 1000 nits mode and my peak was 1020, pretty accurate idk

[viscid wedge]

I mean, you can also just set what you want if you know your panels 10% peak number through independent tests.

[wispy crown]

It's not bad per se but you should set the values to the technical capabilities of the monitor.

Not saying every monitor has the same way tonemapping works but it's not reliable at all.

[viscid wedge]

but now with rtings being paywalled, finding that is harder for normal people

[wispy crown]

Ah shit you're right

[stone comet]

Still baffled they paywalled rtings so severely lol

[faint bobcat]

Complete vanilla / Reno with everything

[wispy crown]

All hail AI

[outer furnace]

with the reasoning that they want to combat AI

as if the ai companies couldnt just purchase a couple licenses and let the bot access the data this way

[faint bobcat]

@mortal wolf

Reno 2

[hardy owl]

This is coming soon right? I hope so. Interiors need better lighting in general

[sick monolith]

how come my game dont start when i use lazorr's files?

[plush parcel]

it's not to combat AI, it's to combat the loss of revenue because of AI

[faint bobcat]

ready when ready

assuming theres no further issues

[wispy crown]

I think your standards should be more in line with Pearl Abyss standards

So just release it

[digital quest]

Why Kliffs face and hair looks worse

[rough granite]

After / before?

[hardy owl]

Before and after

[digital quest]

It is easy to tell its before and after because of pink flames

[hardy owl]

The lighting makes more sense in the second picture. Its more logical

[mortal wolf]

the flames are just dimmer

and less fake light

[rough granite]

ah yeah I thought it was after / before RT change, but its the whole package

[golden scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

[karmic quest]

Release 😭

[mortal wolf]

flames themselves are bright, not as strong emission

[rough granite]

Fuse not sure you saw this message

[golden scaffold]

How did he even manage to fix that

Like how do you even do that my mind just can't

[lament nymph]

the story is absolute garbage ... I'm on chapter 9 now

x.x like it make no sense

[golden scaffold]

It can't make sense we've been over that

[karmic quest]

Fuck sake for a second I thought its a real candle

[rough granite]

you are just in Cliff dreams with random things happening, its not actually reality (well thats what I tell myself :D)

[lament nymph]

I mean not all korean mmo are senseless, nexon games like vindictus or dungeon fighters have deep lore, lineage 2 world building is great

[mortal wolf]

you would want better auto exposure. doing things via "high midtone shadow" is just arbitrary, and doesn't make sense to tweak things manually, should be everything moves uniformly towards one center,

[lament nymph]

this is just nonsense

[golden scaffold]

The story is bandaided together from mmo quests in a few weeks completely replaced by what should have been the original story that got nuked, it is what it is.

[faint bobcat]

vanilla has fake hero lighjt

so its giving more specular highlights on his hair

[lament nymph]

even blade and soul have a better story than this even tho that's also mostly nonsense

[neon whale]

I feel like it's a bit too dark. Must be a me thing though

[nova cargo]

what's with the lamps not emitting light

[worldly swan]

I need it...

[faint bobcat]

they feed emissive data into light sources from their giga cranked auto exposure

I need to adjust per light source

again

[neon whale]

I appreciate you 😭

[faint bobcat]

basically, they lit the game using auto exposure

rather than lighting and raytraced bounces

[sterile sable]

this shit not being on "know issues" list is kinda alarming

[smoky brook]

We still need Lazorrs lighting cranks after this?

[lucid thorn]

I played vindictus as a kid. All I remember was evies bouncing personalities

[smoky brook]

There was one cutscene in a candle only room and I had to re enable the hero light otherwise I couldn't see character faces

But the fixed auto exposure is just so good in other ways

[thin kelp]

is that RR on right one?

[lucid thorn]

I dunno if there is a fix

Well if there is it'll be lazorr or forge or something

[digital elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528375507398688799/1463216881778426111/311x.webp

modding crimson to make the game playable

[hardy owl]

One thing I would like to be fixed is the rain reflections. When it rains everything in the distance looks blurry and grainy. Have you guys noticed? Very nasty effect

[slim lily]

anyone see anything amiss here? with improved auto-exposure the game is just wayyy too dark at night. for whatever its worth ive got my in-game HDR settings at default 250/1/1 if thats worth changing

honestly screenshot makes it look lighter than it actually does i cant see shit

[lament nymph]

one thing I would like to fix is everything

[outer furnace]

its not way too dark, its just night. night is dark, guess what

use lantern

[slim lily]

lol very inisghtful, thank you. thing is, im playing a video game, dont need to simulate real life lmfao

lantern lights up a 3 foot radius around me and nothing else

[outer furnace]

then turn the setting off bro lol

[lilac urchin]

if you switch from vanilla to psycho night is a bout the same

[outer furnace]

its the point of the setting, making it more realistic

[lilac urchin]

supposed to be night like DD2

[lament nymph]

well, the setting was to fix auto exposure, not make it realistic

[ocean onyx]

They should pay you for fixing their game tbh

[hardy owl]

My man turn off the mod then lol

[lament nymph]

and there's nothing realistic about this game's graphics

[slim lily]

enjoying the setting for not getting flash banged in forests during the day, but idk if the tradeoff of not being able to see at night is worth, just checking if my settings are right lmao

[digital quest]

He is already getting paid by playing vscode

[outer furnace]

i wish we could have a middleground setting too, night looks cool and dark and accurate yeah but its not always what a videogames needs, i agree with that lol

[lilac urchin]

even on previews of the game you could tell nights were rough

[outer furnace]

but i just take it as an RP incentive to sleep and rest sometimes lol

[sterile sable]

RR is flat stones but better lighting

[lament nymph]

well this game looks doo doo

[sterile sable]

yeah right

[lament nymph]

I expected this game to not be good, or anything, I just didn't expect it to looks bad

[slim lily]

oh well, the rest of the mod is very very worth having for me so i can deal with the auto exposure oddities, thats a good point ill just rp it lol

[thin kelp]

im more impressed how better armor looks

[lament nymph]

I hate these bounties so much that I kill them so they shut their mouth during the ride

they keep repeating these stupid lines

[ocean onyx]

Dw in a few weeks the modders will have the game looking palatable

[spare quartz]

they copied so many animations from rdr2 and couldn't copy the knockout npc

[slim lily]

idk the game for sure has some graphical/lighting issues but saying it looks bad is super dramatic imo. in the right conditions i think the game looks amazing

[lucid thorn]

Imo game looks good 99% of the time

[hollow kiln]

Oh god. I been reading up and down this thread and it's like cyberpunk all over again cry cry

[spare quartz]

Some of that is simply because the locations are amazing. People here focus more on the tech

[flat bear]

Reno actually makes this game playable 🙏 thank u

[hollow kiln]

I mean I shoulda known having played Black Desert. That game will crunch all the way to black and white at the slightest hint of an opportunity for extreme exposure adaptation

lol sorry I didn't realise there is a user called CryCry here 😄

[narrow frost]

I actually had BDO since years back (gave it out for free on Steam).
Started playing it a week prior to Crimson Desert release, the RenoDX mod for it with the Auto Exposure workaround is such a blessing.
Comparing the vanilla game to HDR + RenoDX is wild. 😄

[narrow frost]

all good lmao.

[lament nymph]

kliff looks like he doesn't belong in this time period

[mortal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/king-gif-6550631183674623888

[tawny ravine]

Those dangly bits sitting in front of his helmet make no sense like how does bro see anything but it is a fantasy game so only the rule of cool applies

[narrow frost]

I really like the Deluxe set, with the main metal being more glossy/silver while keeping the gold trim standard.

[stone comet]

Its bdo armor me thinks

Or at least similar to one of em

[flint moss]

I think default ingame exposure is 50, may help a bit

[lament nymph]

this game hates me

all my money gone

[dense raft]

did you install Lazorr's mod? it helped a lot. I use 1.2 exposure with it

[hollow pollen]

Does the mod need installed anywhere specific? Or same as all mods

[slim lily]

yeah the lighting source mod from the pins? helped a bit for sure but pretty dark overall, not a huge deal

[lament orchid]

with the .exe of the game

[hardy owl]

Did Forge finally moved the game to UE5 and added Pathtracing?

[wispy crown]

The light intensity mod must be installed in the main folder. Make sure to back up the original files.

[wispy crown]

Yeah he also added his own DLSS5

[golden scaffold]

Try reducing adaptation contrast to 40-45

Also 1.5 exposure are you sure?

[lament orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

man i hate the DLSS implementation in the game why can't they release a quick hotfix i bet AMD has something to do with it

[golden scaffold]

You should also switch to perceptual film grain even if you don't use it. I don't think it gets removed if you leave it on vanilla

[slim lily]

cool thanks for the tips ill give it a shot

[chrome sun]

is the candeltest in pin works as intended ?

[hardy owl]

Is perceptual film grain better? In which way?

[golden scaffold]

It doesn't raise blacks. Its specifically designed to be HDR compatible

[jagged charm]

I wish nexusmods listed reshade presets as it's own category, for every real mod there's 3 reshade configs

[viscid wedge]

Interesting read, assuming its accurate. https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimsonDesert/comments/1rzp0h9/crimson_desert_broken_dlss_explained/

[hardy owl]

Unpopular opinion. Reshade's are not mods

[lament orchid]

yeah already read it

[golden scaffold]

It's not an unpopular opinion

[smoky brook]

its pretty hard to get through combat at night time with improved auto exposure, even with lantern on. i keep toggling it thought because it looks so much better

[lucid thorn]

Well it probably is with someone

[jagged charm]

yeah that's probably most people's opinion

[golden scaffold]

The "mod" creators maybe

[jagged charm]

It's fine for people to share their reshade configs, but it really dillutes the mods list

[viscid wedge]

It wouldn't be so bad for me if I could sleep. But thats currently broken too lol

[lament orchid]

I was literally typing " why do people feel the need to spam their dog shit reshade prests on Nexus" as you said that

[lucid thorn]

People like to be popular haha

[viscid wedge]

99% of those presets are someone twiddling the sliders, thinking it looks good, then slapping an ULTRA REALISTIC in big yellow letters on the thumbnail and shipping it

[golden scaffold]

They should at least add a category so you can filter them out (like hide translations)

[lucid thorn]

And setting contrast to 100

[jagged charm]

https://www.nexusmods.com/crimsondesert/mods/46 🙂

[lucid thorn]

See

[quaint cove]

I've never had that issue myself, but I know Elajazz has had that since day 1

[viscid wedge]

lol

[stone comet]

Its always just bloom, mega saturation, mega contrast, random dof

Like clockwork

[golden scaffold]

This one made me laugh

[stone comet]

LMAO???

[lucid thorn]

Btw did you guys know cinematic textures are apparently bugged

[viscid wedge]

Yeah. 24 in game days and I haven't been able to sleep for 20 of them.

[hardy owl]

What do you mean?

[lucid thorn]

Lemme timestamp a vid cause I'm dumb

[karmic quest]

Are they?

[quaint cove]

I'm sure they are working on a fix as we speak

[lament orchid]

my ULTRA REALISTIC SIGMA LICK MA PREST available now

[lucid thorn]

https://youtu.be/ybSTkBBibVc?t=523&si=c1qRSRW_YYEBDpKS
Apparently

[karmic quest]

I only trust gamer nexus and hardware unboxed

[jagged charm]

needs more piss filter

[hardy owl]

I can't watch the vid now. But is it the quality or what?

[lucid thorn]

Quality bugs out when loading a save sometimes

[lament nymph]

... hardware unboxed?

[karmic quest]

His optimization videos are great

[naive jackal]

@lucid thorn That was pretty much AMDs fault, back in 05 ATi and Nvidia had been neck and neck in market share at around 34% each, and in that year ATi went ahead for the first time. Then AMD ruined everything by borrowing so much money to buy ATi that it almost bankrupt both companies and ended up with ATi HD2000 series being complete ass and the next AMD CPU also being complete ass

[ocean onyx]

What does that have to do with cinematic textures

[golden scaffold]

Yo wtf this is a big deal. Is this fixable?

[lament orchid]

only by the devs i think, you will need to alter the render pipeline to fix it

[lucid thorn]

It was something I said awhile ago

[naive jackal]

Sorry i took the dog for a walk and forgot to jump to present when i got back lol#

[mighty estuary]

probably not

not us at least

[karmic quest]

Another thing devs have to fix. In other games dlss just works and never had blurry image problems.

[viscid wedge]

lt would be a pretty big task for the devs, but I can't imagine it can't be done.

[golden scaffold]

Well this better gets out so DF finds out and DF calls them out and blows up and reaches the devs it should be fixable on their end

[viscid wedge]

Again, assuming that random person on the internet is correct.

[mighty estuary]

they are still figuring out the controllers, I can only imagine when visual improvements will come

[golden scaffold]

Assuming huh 🤔

Well his post does make sense

[naive jackal]

Oh so that is real, i thought i was going insane, was over at my bros when i took doggo out and he was playing the game at friggin 1080p and it looked better than what i was playing at 1440p dlss quality

[spare quartz]

The autoexposure fix is not usable yet without tweaking light sources. Pororin Village is a good place to test

Its supposed to be a brightly lit fantasy cat village

[lament nymph]

I'm just sitting here waiting for nintendo direct

[karmic quest]

Did you use the lightning fix @spare quartz

[mighty estuary]

based on this tweet https://x.com/ThiagoTerr7769/status/2036478251707555938 seems like PA is aware of the graphical issues at least

Thiagozzzzz (@ThiagoTerr7769)

@WillJPowers @WillJPowers I know you have the strength to get attention given to this little problem. The lighting in houses and caves, plus those black spots on Xbox consoles and even on weaker PCs.

▶ Play video

X · Mar 24, 2026, 4:20 PM

[spare quartz]

yes. the lights are all green in that village so not sure the fix covers it

[lament orchid]

might be skizo of me but i think AMD has something to do with it

[lucid thorn]

Tweet got deleted what I miss
Oh nvm it works now

You willed it back

[hardy owl]

What do you mean? I guess it's just darker and that's it right?

[wispy crown]

The developers were aware of this even before shipping the game. They're not blind.

[mighty estuary]

They do seem to be blind, not having a storage chest and only adding it after players complaints is just complete bs

[wispy crown]

It's just that there are deadlines and someday you must ship something. Called money.

[lament nymph]

game "went gold" 3 months ago, ur just bullying poor indie dev

[wispy crown]

It's shit but I'm sure if the developer could have gotten another year they would have taken it

[sterile sable]

yes

[spare quartz]

yeah its too dark. makes sense in a forest but not in a village with magic lights everywhere. I have screenshots(sdr converted)

[hardy owl]

I think the developers probably are paying attention to a multitude of things, stuff that we probably dont comprehend well as players. So I dont think they are lazy or bad, its just that shipping big games like this one is hard

[wispy crown]

Do you really think the devs are deciding when a game gets "gone gold" status? Management sets deadline and devs have to say "yes and please" or bad meetings happen.

[karmic quest]

Ngl this renodx team made me understand how many corners were cut to release this game. I'm willing to bet it's investors at fault here

[hardy owl]

Can you post it again I am curious to check it

[slim lily]

95%+ of people who complain about game development have absolutely no clue whatsoever about software development lifecycles lmao

[lucid thorn]

It's true

Like when folks blame devs personally for game choices

[hardy owl]

Weird....so the autoexposure basically kills lights there? @crude marsh have you seen this?

[karmic quest]

Cyberpunk 2077 faced alot of backlash when barely anyone knew the actual reason why it was so half baked

[lament nymph]

you are talking as if complaining is not a valid consumer choice

[wispy crown]

The "cuts" that were made are for personal preference. Dark nights being removed and the aggressive auto exposure system is probably how they solved the complains about "I can't play the game at night it's too dark and too exhausting on my eyes." Yes it looks like shit to us because we're purist but legit most gamers don't care and prefer the easy experience. There's a reason why nights in almost every AAA game are overexposed.

I assure you most devs don't implement this because they want to but because they're told to.

[slim lily]

lol i mean complain if you want, idgaf, but it doesnt mean you know what youre talking about or your complaints have logical validity

[lament nymph]

neither do you

🤷‍♀️

[lucid thorn]

Damn

[karmic quest]

Im not blaming the devs at all here. There is always someone telling them what to do.

[lucid thorn]

Jake Paul came out swinging

[slim lily]

lol idk i am a professional software developer, i got a decent idea of how software development works

[lament nymph]

yes very professional

I believe you

[viscid wedge]

oof. did you do the updated mod to lighting meant for the autoexposure use?

[wispy crown]

That thumbs up reaction is killing me

[crude marsh]

they use different types of lights here probably that also need to be cranked

[hardy owl]

Hopefully you can release a fix for that

[spare quartz]

yes. the latest one: LetThereBeMoreLight_candletest.7z

[wispy crown]

If light then *= 4 strength... So easy

[lament nymph]

the auto exposure fix makes the better lantern and the default lantern have the same brightness

🤷‍♀️

[neon whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/new-girl-dark-1

[upbeat magnet]

Surprised it came in much darker here, actually much less so in game.

[wispy crown]

I think the better auto exposure thing should be disabled by default @faint bobcat

[faint bobcat]

wtf, so this game is just bipolar

I want people to understand, I havent even left the first town. I have just be working on this addon for billion hours. Why the hell does the game just radomly decide to either have day nights or actually be dark

wtf is this

[hardy owl]

People need to understand that if you watch these screenshots without HDR they will look extremely dark. They are not meant to be watched in SDR

[faint bobcat]

I am tuning Auto exposure to what I see in starting area

so I have no clue if 50 hrs in

in zone 6

it randomly crushes black

and is actually dark

this is soo wierd

abysmal

[lament nymph]

there are zones darker than that

[faint bobcat]

makes everything even worse

[lament nymph]

they also default to some kind of artifical brightness

[neon whale]

would't be surprised if each of the regions has its own quirks and shit

[rough granite]

one zone one LUT confirmed

[faint bobcat]

yes, I will also change the name to Alternative exposure instead

[lament nymph]

I disabled auto exposure cause it's pitch black out there I can't do anything

[faint bobcat]

So I need confirmation

the game has actually dark areas

and nights?

but depends on the area and region?

[karmic quest]

Im turning it on to make cool pictures

[viscid wedge]

Perfectly fine. Its a video game, if you don't like you can change it, thats why its an option. Play how you want! 💪

[wispy crown]

Yes there are some. I don't know if there are env variables for different regions or if it's just missing moonlight or something like that.

[naive jackal]

@karmic quest I played through Cyberpunk fine at launch, for me it was less buggy than Witcher 3 at launch, but because the PS4 and Xbox versions were ass (and lets real they always were going to be) the entirety of games media ran with the narrative that it was just broken beyond all repair on everything

[mortal wolf]

i don't think there is an off for auto exposure here. it's just a different tuning

[dapper lake]

Ive had randomly darker nights in hernand. I think weather can affect it quite a bit

[karmic quest]

Nights are dark in forests

[rough granite]

if there was a way to have the new exposure and be able to tweak the "shadows" level exposure people could find what fit them

[faint bobcat]

well thats oof them, thats not something I cant control that.

That will require a full game .env modification of per weather + whilst also adjusting their auto exposure to it

thats not something we can do atm

[karmic quest]

If ur on a field it feels like evening not night

[lament nymph]

what I meant is I prefer the vanilla setting

[crude marsh]

they do have several pre exposure related passes IIRC

[lucid thorn]

Lemme just Crack denuvo real quick

[lament nymph]

even if it flash bang me, some dark areas actually work better

[mortal wolf]

i'm still halfway through this https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2657039/ * research paper which will probably be the basis for some perceptual-based auto-exposure

[faint bobcat]

hmm ok that might explain it, we might have to hardcode cbuffers

I think thats the issue

they are lowering auto exposure dynamically for different areas

[crude marsh]

I did turn off exposure once and the game was white so thats cool

[faint bobcat]

and then my sruff is lowering even further

[rough granite]

Im using Luma fade + increased exposure in shadows to try to compensate a bit

[wispy crown]

Are prod80 shaders even compatible with HDR output?

[rough granite]

seems so, it doesnt break highlights or colors

[wispy crown]

Okay interesting. Thought the shader uses SDR values for calculations but if it works it works.

[rough granite]

i know when a shader is messed with HDR highlights are instantly broken, but here not, not sure if it depends on the game HDR implementation or some Reshade changes over the years

[elfin patrol]

I'm sorry, but where is this from? Is someone already working on a mod for this?

[faint bobcat]

right I will explore locking down cbuffers

if the game is dynamically changing auto exposure

and makes it darker for a region

we are now double darkening

that or they actually made the weather darker

in which case rip

[karmic quest]

Maybe work on whatever u were cooking today

[faint bobcat]

that will need weather modification

which isnt possible

rn

[hardy owl]

Shit. Sounds complicated

[faint bobcat]

I understand the feedback

just understand we're working with a ahh game

with denuvo

and locked code

we cant just easily solve every issue

at least not immediately

[hardy owl]

In the meantime, avoiding going to these problematic areas at night would be the way to go. Or maybe pass time if its the weather that really makes things so dark

[shut badge]

why does it look an online casino ad lmao

[viscid wedge]

Game hasn't even been out a week. Y'all are rockstars regardless. 💪

[karmic quest]

Someone cracked denuvo

Idk if I can post it here tho

[wispy crown]

It's not a crack, it's just a bypass. Doesn't help with anything.

[karmic quest]

Oh well

[mortal wolf]

the real math is, at night, colors are more vibrant. it's not just exposure-up to see. it's detail through contrast instead, which is hard to explain. nobody is doing that, but... i'll try. basically there should be an "auto" contrast system, not just flat exposure up/down.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7886026/

auto exposure is like there's a dude behind a camera at every change of light frantically trying to dial up or down an exposure slider

[golden scaffold]

how do I prevent chrome from "virus detected" it doesn't even let me save the file from discord

[fallen knoll]

my character is too dark for the auto exposure i look like a criminal

[golden scaffold]

ok i managed to copy the link into a different browser

[lucid thorn]

Well

How many things have you stolen

[spare quartz]

I can share saves in this area. It might provide insights on wtf this game is doing?

[hardy owl]

Did you disable hero lighting?

[shut badge]

honestly I'll take viruses over the 50 fuckin reshade mods on nexus

[golden scaffold]

no, i still can't download. help

[viscid wedge]

I temporarily set my downloads and the game directory folders as Exceptions. Downloaded and moved it. Then removed the exception for Downloads (wanna keep that protected in most cases)

[sick monolith]

when it's flagged, you can click on the download then allow/proceed

[golden scaffold]

nah it just straight up doesn't let you do anything

[viscid wedge]

wait is Chrome itself flagging it?

[golden scaffold]

yes

ok, you have to turn off safe browsing to let it trough

[viscid wedge]

yeah typically there is a slightly less obvious way to say "no, download it anyway"

[golden scaffold]

isn't anymore

[viscid wedge]

ah ha,

[spare quartz]

Porin Village Save

[golden scaffold]

wtf its still not letting me

i can't do anything

even with safe browsing off?

[lament nymph]

eww virus

[karmic quest]

Go to notifications -> press on open it

And it will ask admin permisison

[viscid wedge]

No, it doesn't

[fallen knoll]

oh i didnt

[viscid wedge]

i'm testing this as well

[karmic quest]

Allow -> then allow this download

[fallen knoll]

should i?

[viscid wedge]

there is no option to do so

[golden scaffold]

there's no such thing

[fallen knoll]

lol the marquis invited me to the same place i looted 5 mins ago

[karmic quest]

What, I did this yesterday

Or u can go to protection history and allow that download there

And disable smart app control

[lament nymph]

in other fantasy games, there are tons of gods, each with their own faith, in this game there's only solumen who's the good one and antumbra which is the bad one

[hardy owl]

I am guessing that if disable light hero is off, the character might look darker in certain areas so you can try turning that off

[lament nymph]

maybe they should just let AI write their game

[golden scaffold]

where the heck is that

[karmic quest]

Just realised your pfp is jake paul @lament nymph 🤣

[karmic quest]

Windows Security

If ur windows 11 it should be the last option on the left side of the window

[viscid wedge]

this was enough to allow it. @golden scaffold

[golden scaffold]

oh no it's not windows, it's chrome

[viscid wedge]

just confirmed

[golden scaffold]

ok let me see

[karmic quest]

You do it thru windows

[viscid wedge]

Yeah, googling that specific chrome error, its actually complaining about your OS AV

[golden scaffold]

oh you are correct

[karmic quest]

Also disabling smart app control is a must for this

[golden scaffold]

smart app?

[karmic quest]

I already know the game will look amazing

[golden scaffold]

ah yeah that was already off

i can't even turn it on

maybe becaus i debloated

[karmic quest]

Debloated too much

[sick monolith]

i bet you also said this when u saw CD

[golden scaffold]

still not enough

[karmic quest]

Nah, FH5 experience.

[viscid wedge]

when most beginners get a hold of those scripts.. things like to break lol

[karmic quest]

My friend was saying that to me about CD tho

He was the one who made me buy it

[lament nymph]

one thing I noticed is that the initial reviews ppl say this game has good music

[fallen knoll]

is there a release date?

[lament nymph]

so far I can't recall a single track

[karmic quest]

Forza has always had beautiful graphics.

[lament nymph]

where's the music in this game?

[karmic quest]

16th May

[viscid wedge]

i really dig the main menu/intial load in song. its a vibe.

[sick monolith]

you debloated but kept the biggest bloatware windows defender?

[karmic quest]

Ah yes when my volume somehow resets down to 100% and I have goddesses screaming in my ears

[viscid wedge]

Its Windows Security now, and most people should not be removing that.

[faint bobcat]

OK found something

_param1.z / _param1.w is the min/max luminance clamps

_param2.z is EV bias (sky visibility)

_param3.z - auto white balancing sky factor

[lament nymph]

I can't even recall the main menu song, take for example hoshigami, a piece of shit game on the ps1 and I remember its main menu theme strongly

[faint bobcat]

game is changing these dynamically

[lament nymph]

this is just generic music

[subtle sinew]

are you hate playing this game? lmao

[lament nymph]

yes

[sick monolith]

oh right it is security now

[hardy owl]

It seems so. So annoying

[golden scaffold]

I mean he's not entirely wrong but intro theme is very nice

bdo did have some instantly memorable music that's for sure, i think the issue these days in general with videogames is they try too much to make the music "background" so it doesn't disturb the gameplay / take the stage

[viscid wedge]

No AV at all these days is not a smart move, IMO. But i've spent 20+ years fixing peoples PC's who thought it was.

[slim lily]

bro is spam complaining about the game in the renodx discord for some reason, yet has probably 80 hours in it. theres lots of games out there bro go play something else

[lament nymph]

hey u aren't my boss

[upbeat magnet]

keeps you employed at least

[kindred shoal]

its just background type music

[viscid wedge]

Its very pretty. https://youtu.be/1w3PgCqGzq0

[kindred shoal]

its fine

its no witcher or anything

[lament nymph]

you know what, as much as ppl hate the loading walking animation, that's competently done graphically at least

[sick monolith]

the true AV is UAC.. you have the final say on everything

[lament nymph]

like for all the shit this game has, that loading intro is spotless

[golden scaffold]

so mod it, add in bdo music that would be something. I was looking trough the files and managed to extract them but got stuck reconverting files back to wwise. anyone knows whats the easiest method?

[lament nymph]

with nice particles effect

[hardy owl]

Better to just block the guy and not pay attention

[sick monolith]

security is just an annoying backseat saying hey this file looks like a virus maybe i should delete it

[worn ibex]

Are the graphical issues fixed now so I can rebuy the game

[mighty estuary]

we are miles away from it

[smoky sigil]

at first it made me feel like legend or some shit but now it is annoying ngl