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[lucid thorn]

are you using optiscaler

[cobalt sorrel]

I dont man

dont need it with a 9070 XT

[lucid thorn]

alright no worries 🙏

[halcyon ibex]

Can chromatic aberration be disabled without having HDR activated?

[faint bobcat]

stream done

back to malding

[broken dirge]

do some stretches first

[ember tulip]

huh interesting my sharpening and ca slider still dont work 🤔

[faint bobcat]

no refunds

[worn ibex]

So what’s the progress folks

[crude marsh]

hey I decrypted their inputmap.xml.....

incredible

[faint bobcat]

the vibecoder shall inherit the earth

[tame vault]

Oh nice, it did feel a bit too dim

[crude marsh]

dude, custom xml formats and what not

who in their RIGHT MIND

WOULD CHOOSE XML

[lucid thorn]

What's wrong with xml :p

[faint bobcat]

Chads

[crude marsh]

what isn't wrong with xml

[sudden pulsar]

👆

[lucid thorn]

I prefer json as much as the next guy, but I've seen some things done with xml 😂

[sudden pulsar]

That thing should never be used no matter the usecase

[crude marsh]

if you have a choice and you choose xml, you are just really into pain and suffering

[faint bobcat]

.txt

[foggy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[sudden pulsar]

Parsing XML files a such a fucking PITA in comparison to… anything else

[lucid thorn]

oh 1000% 😂

[crude marsh]

man that inputmap.xml was really a hole in one

[late marlin]

Man, i am so sick of people hating on the graphics of this Game like "during day it's too bright, during night it's too dark"... Then go play your grey looking games from 20 years ago man. I love when I have to rely on a lamp because you cant see anything during the night. That's next gen to me

[crude marsh]

the game looks awful so

[nova cargo]

ya

[dire pilot]

walked into a house, turned off all the lights, got a light show

[lucid thorn]

I haven't found a way to make night truly dark but I guess I've been around towns

[soft timber]

So how final is this version of RenoDX for this game? Still a lot to do?

[sudden pulsar]

A metric ton

[faint bobcat]

The game isn't done until I say we are done

[late marlin]

I think it is the best looking game i have ever Seen. Especially with RR. And set up multi frame gen properly and it works flawlessly. But they all have no idea what they are doing with frame gen

[crude marsh]

there are many legitimate reasons to hate on the graphics, and that would be due to poor technical implementation across the board with an extreme amount of artifacting, upscaling problems, shadow problems, etc etc

huge mess

[lucid thorn]

I would like to fix my pop ins at least :p

I have a lot of vram, make my gpu work for it 😄

[vivid iris]

none of the stuff forge is working on has gone in yet 😅

[delicate merlin]

if youve played the game and are going to wait for the mod to be finished youll forget all the complicated controls 😭

[vivid iris]

there will be some really cool things getting added to this

[late marlin]

With RR the popin has a smoother transition

[vivid iris]

also, is there no way to turn off motion blur?

[lucid thorn]

I'm unfortunately too broke for that

[lucid thorn]

its in accessibility

[crude marsh]

accessibility

[soft timber]

I mean yeah I agree. Tho at 4k dlss performance with everything set to cinematic and RR on I do find it pleasing at times. Definitely not perfect but lots of moments have definitely hit so far

[vivid iris]

okay cool I won't add a slider then

[ember tulip]

the blur setting

[ocean onyx]

Can you add more intensity

[late marlin]

Try to change the rr preset in Nvidia Profile inspector. It usually uses preset d but e has less artifacts and is sharper on my end

[ocean onyx]

I thought it didn't have enough

[soft timber]

Oh actually. Interesting

[abstract hawk]

✊🏾

[crude marsh]

I was considering playing oblivion remastered to cleanse my eyes with much better graphics

[lucid thorn]

Also random question, but I'm 99% sure this wasn't the case and I didn't notice it until tonight but has anybody noticed that hitting M actually brings up the map now? I didn't see it in the key binds either

[faint bobcat]

the game fundamentally has issues with them using white noise for all their RT on top of not applying RR denoising for VoxelGI bilateral reconstruction

both of those are WTF

it doesnt cost anything

and it would box improve RT presentation

and fix shimmering

[soft timber]

Is that something that seems possible to add/fix with this game/engine?

[faint bobcat]

and noise

[faint bobcat]

replacing white noise yes

I already did in other games

but DX12 is a bit harder

getting RR to apply to voxelGI

I dunno

that requires calling RR

what I can do in the meanwhile is a cope solution

so atleast VoxelGI has some denoising

instead of nothing

[late marlin]

Yes the upscaling at RR is a bit weird. At 4k dlss Performance i get more artifacts on the body and faces when i speak to them and when it's zooming in than with ultra Performance or balanced. It's weird

[faint bobcat]

its the #1 cause of window shimmering

why they didnt run denoiser

I dunno

[soft timber]

And what about all of the pop in? Does that even seem possible? I know it's pretty early.

[faint bobcat]

Engine side

[crude marsh]

I am trying to replace assets....

[soft timber]

Tbh the main issues for me about this game visually is definitely the noise/shimmering. And the ridiculous sharping

[crude marsh]

I would love to make the foliage not look 2017

[faint bobcat]

All CPU related code, ask Lazorr

I am dealing with shaders only

[late marlin]

It is the same kind of popin that black desert also has. Seems like this engine is not good in making lod more seemless

[faint bobcat]

I might join in on the vibe coding

reverse enginerr the .exe

but I have my hands full already

with shaders

[crude marsh]

yeah, I had no luck finding shadow map stuff in the exe my first go around

[faint bobcat]

and shitposting

[lucid thorn]

damn I gotta keep an eye on what you guys are working on

[faint bobcat]

RenoDX magmun opus

[crude marsh]

but I am trying to force all the trees to be LOD 0 currently....

[faint bobcat]

Only the middest games get our attention

[crude marsh]

so true

[faint bobcat]

RenoDX and Luma exists because of Starfield

[late marlin]

Wait this is possible ? 😄 config file stuff?

[faint bobcat]

reverse enginerr

[crude marsh]

no, had to reverse engineer all of their assets

[faint bobcat]

their configs are all locked down

[foggy cove]

and now dlss5 is gonna fix it all such a shame yall had to waste your time

[modest drum]

Are you sure its white noise hmm

[lucid thorn]

this is why I came here asking for the config for hdr cause I couldn't find anything

[faint bobcat]

(Tiny Encryption Algorithm) + MCG (x × 48271)

on their whole RT pipeline

[soft timber]

So

What was up with digital foundry and basically every single tech YouTuber and YouTuber who played the game praise this games tech and graphics lol

[ocean onyx]

Blind

[faint bobcat]

marketing

[soft timber]

Like I don't think it's the ugliest game ever. And I think it can be pretty at times.

[ocean onyx]

Df is washed

[soft timber]

But it's not some revolution

Lots of games look better

[crude marsh]

this game has the most artifacting i have seen in a long time

[modest drum]

Every video I saw on this game has the same wobbly artifacts on vegetations and shadows

[crude marsh]

and some of the worst LODs

[cobalt sorrel]

not working for me either on new build. testing the diff tonemappers and diff upscaling now to see but with FG and FSR 4.1 Native AA neither work

[ocean onyx]

Damn I got in bed before I could test

[crude marsh]

and the light sources are all just.... really wrong somehow

[soft timber]

Yeah see, the LODs are one of the biggest things prasied I saw. That "the LODs seem genuinely next gen in this game. The draw distance is unlike anything I've seen before"

[late marlin]

I really wish there was a Mod on nexusmods for example that makes the fps significantly better without noticable visual Impact. Like some UE mods. I know some people say they don't work, but I also see fps improvements. It's Not UE so who knows if it's possible

[ocean onyx]

Yeah them MFS are just blind

[crude marsh]

its not possible in any similar way to UE

they have already decimated the quality of everything possible (except for forcing restir with RR)

theres just a ton of waste in their rendering pipeline too

[wise flax]

I've found 2 ways to get the game to look pretty good and limit artifacting. DLAA without RR and cinematic lighting instead of max. The other options is RR, but performance is unplayable with DLAA+RR even with a 5090 imo. The issue is DLAA+HDR is broken so that option isn't really an option until its fixed...

[modest drum]

Maybe change to R2/hilbert, since the noise algo they use right now must have access to frame index

[crude marsh]

if you want good lighting you also have to use RR, but yeah its painful, tradeoffs either way

[wise flax]

Yeah because DLSS causes more artifacting even at quality. DLAA or bust right now...

[sick monolith]

i keep refreshing until i see the title here

[crude marsh]

it shouldnt, but they did some bad stuff with upscaling

a ton of things in the game are already rendered at really low resolution even at DLAA

[wise flax]

I honestly think it looks better with DLAA on and no RR vs RR on and DLSS Quality. It boils down to are you willing to accept way more artifacting (and no rain) for better lighting with RR.

[drowsy iron]

HDR lookg muc better now, good work fellas

[naive terrace]

using RenoDX

[modest drum]

Same one used for XeGTAO

[vivid iris]

crimson desert renodx should install fine through rdxc now for those that care

[lucid thorn]

I'm heading to bed, but I look forward to your guys work over time on this 👀

[fresh sparrow]

I'm confused by the LOD/pop-in because it doesn't feel like those small things would be taking up much resources even if they were drawing in at 10x the distance

[wise flax]

It's crazy that there isn't a setting to increase draw distance and reduce pop in.

I will say even with all of the issues the game is gorgeous if you can dial in settings to reduce shimmering.

[sick monolith]

what is rdxc

[crude marsh]

my eyes get too tired from everything constantly flickering

[modest drum]

So RR doesnt fix it?

I heard the game forces VRS, maybe patch that out?

[wise flax]

It's not so bad imo with DLSS 4.0 DLAA RR off and Cinematic lighting instead of max. Issue is the black box glitch with DLAA+HDR...

[crude marsh]

there are just a very high number of artifacts no matter what you do and tons of constant popping

especially with LODs, shadows, and lights the scene is constantly changing

[fresh sparrow]

I was considering throwing in depth of field in reshade to try mitigate some of the further out pop-in but the depth buffer doesn't work in the game either

[modest drum]

Oh yeah even on PS5 pro I can see random black pixels like artifacting

[crude marsh]

Forge is working on some shadow stuff that should help

[wise flax]

It's been nauseating for me without DLAA.

[sick monolith]

we're supposed to look at the horizon instead of the rocks popping in beside us

[wise flax]

I'm considering turning HDR off just so I can use DLAA

[cobalt sorrel]

chromatic abberation and sharpness sliders not working still with AMD FG on in the new build, im on a 9070 XT. sharpening works when FG is disabled but chromatic aberration slider does not still. tested both tonemappers and both fsr native aa and fsr quality

[soft timber]

Is hdr and dlaa not working together?

[sick monolith]

renodx HDR + upscaling off is better

[modest drum]

Maybe this game has AMD/Nvidia shader variants (wave size optimization for different vendors)

[feral bluff]

[soft timber]

I've wanted to not use upscaling but even on my 4090 it doesn't run well with dlaa if I have RR on. And having RR off just looks so bad I'd rather Leave it on

[faint bobcat]

Nukem told me how

[wise flax]

@soft timber DLAA+HDR causes this weird black line/bar to flicker across the top of the screen. It also sometimes moves to the middle of the screen.

[faint bobcat]

I will take a look

[crude marsh]

the clouds are maybe like.... 1/8th or 1/4th res with a ton of dithering

[faint bobcat]

my list is a trillion things atm

I cant cope

[modest drum]

Since the game has restir, the RT should have many bounces after a lot of frames?

[broken dirge]

do u have caffeine

[feral bluff]

We were just discussing this 😅 + the trailing blends into clouds

[sick monolith]

since DLSS is broken anyone tried LS upscaling yet?

[wise flax]

Has anyone else had issues with The Lilium HDR analysis tool causing crashing in some games with Reshade 6.7.3?

[faint bobcat]

Displacement maps causes stairstepping artefacts and random NaNs

Disabling it solves it

I took a look and the code is abysmal

[crude marsh]

so you are just gonna disable it right

[faint bobcat]

no

I will rework it

keep creative intent

without issues

[crude marsh]

[vivid iris]

this is weird. I've added all the shaders that even have chromatic aberration from my shader dump...

[sick monolith]

RR preset D is a blurfest no?

[crude marsh]

the RTGI is much much much lower quality without RR

[soft timber]

I haven't messed with other RR presets yet but the noise and flickering without it is too distracting in my opinion

[cobalt sorrel]

yeah not sure why, idk how to take a short vid clip to share here to show u im not tripping. somethin else goin on maybe

let me check adrenalin recording settings ill just show me playin with the sliders so u can see

[modest drum]

@faint bobcat oh yeah you posted this before, how many groups are dispatched in the dispatch rays call actually

[wise flax]

@soft timber What are you using for upscaling with RR? DLSS Q adds just as much shimmering as having RR off.

[crude marsh]

RR is an upscaler

[wise flax]

But it requires DLSS to run no?

[crude marsh]

its standalone

includes SR

[vivid iris]

are you using ray regeneration?

[zenith belfry]

what preset for RR does the game use natively?

[sick monolith]

why does the game need DLSS on to enable RR? otherwise it's grayed out

[cobalt sorrel]

no Ray regen off

[vivid iris]

yeah idk then

[zenith belfry]

I assume its preset D

[analog root]

I checked

It's preset D

[zenith belfry]

I guess it already uses the optimal one then

[crude marsh]

the only thing that has used E as a default is half life RTX

[wise flax]

Wait nvm I'm very tired and still confused are you talking about enabling RR outside of the game through NVPI or something? In game it requires DLSS to enable?

[analog root]

Did someone test preset E in this game?

Don't know if changes anything

[wise flax]

If you turn off DLSS it automatically turns of RR unless I've missed something.

[worn ibex]

But then you will close your eyes because of how boring it is

[crude marsh]

I just mean technically RR operates standalone

[worn ibex]

Try Elden ring, it acc has art style

[crude marsh]

ye Elden Ring is nice, I just meant purely from graphics standpoint

[worn ibex]

God ER is so beautiful man

[wise flax]

Ah gotcha I was more meaning which upscaler he was using for performance hit/quality tradeoff. with RR & DLAA you're well below 60fps with a 5090/9850x3d.

[worn ibex]

AW2? Or Avowed? RE9 (some sections at least), do you think Oblivion remastered is better than those from a technical standpoint?

[crude marsh]

Avowed right now is quite solid with latest mod

oblivion has the best large open world reflections though

[worn ibex]

Be wary that I have no idea what you’ve done with U+ and oblivion atm because my game kept crashing 💀

and I got bored of it

[worn ibex]

Oh

KCD 2?

[sick monolith]

Would you know if optiscaler allows RR without DLSS?

[crude marsh]

and the grass density/trees would be more similar to this game, except rendered in high detail

[worn ibex]

Or what’s its name, Avatar frontiers of pandora/AC shadows

[crude marsh]

KCD 2 is nice, but screen space hurts

[worn ibex]

Oh

[wise flax]

No clue I don't use Optiscaler as I've not run into a situation where I've needed it with an Nvidia gpu.

[crude marsh]

Avatar is nice at times, but falls short in RT a bit and tends to be rather blurry, very nice scenes though

[modest drum]

Weird why KCD2 doesnt use its voxels for base reflection

[nova cargo]

Had that issue with silent hill f on launch which was reshade 6.6 I think

[modest drum]

Then overlay SSR on it would be so nice

[wise flax]

@nova cargo I ran into it with Nioh 3.

I tried updating/reinstalling reshade with no luck so I just stopped using Liliums for now.

[summer notch]

Doom TDA defaults to E

[worn ibex]

@faint bobcat what changes are you making

[faint bobcat]

fixing shadow code atm

to stop shimmering

One of the RT shaders griefed decomp

so I am waiting for Shortuse to get back to me

after that I will add EON BRDF

to replace lambert

then fix displacement warping

and shimmering

after that kys

[cobalt sorrel]

so you can see, FG on, fsr 4.1 quality, both sliders doing nothing

[brisk rain]

👍

[worn ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimsonDesert/s/Mv1HfCpVVQ

If this is from blind then it can be true yeah

You need a company email to log in

[velvet cliff]

Is this game's engine really that closed? How is there still no mod to turn off chromatic abberation and sharpening

[worn ibex]

But here’s the thing

[sly swift]

makes a lot of sense

[worn ibex]

I can’t find this in blind

[sly swift]

oh

[worn ibex]

It could be a private channel

Of pearl abyss devs

But if it is then who put this out there

Yeah I didn’t find it on blind

[vivid iris]

how about fsr3?

[sly swift]

the poster does mention something about it being on an exclusive channel but is leaked throughout Korean communities

[cobalt sorrel]

thats the thing, there is no fsr 3 available on 9070 XT here, I have off or FSR 4.1

testing off but i dont think it does anything. i'll lyk in a sec

[vivid iris]

there might just be another shader that gets loaded in for fsr4 for some weird reason

in which case I can't test it, I'd need someone with a 9000 series card to load up the devkit and send me the shader dump

[ember tulip]

how hard is it?

ive never done it before but id be willing

[vivid iris]

https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-devkit.addon64

[hardy owl]

Hi there, where do I find the file to download the Chromatic aberration toggle?

[vivid iris]

install this like any other renodx mod

[ember tulip]

take out the current one id imagine yea

[vivid iris]

load into the game fully, make sure you have fsr4 on

then click the dump shaders button

[daring orbit]

Trying preset E now

[vivid iris]

nah no need

[ember tulip]

oh okay

[vivid iris]

the shaders will dump into a renodx-dev folder in the game's directory

[cobalt sorrel]

CA slider does nothing even with upscaling off and using games AA, but sharpness is working. FSR 4.1 quality, sharpness slider working but no CA still

[vivid iris]

if sharpness works than ca should too, they're in the same shader

[ember tulip]

loading standby

[cobalt sorrel]

CA slider doesnt change anything for me, what u saw in my clip with FG on is the same with FG off, except sharpness works. FG enabled both sliders do nothing

[sick monolith]

what driver you guys using?

[cobalt sorrel]

oh kressara you're doing it? do u need me to do it too Jon? I could but if ur already on it i'll wait

[ember tulip]

done

[vivid iris]

load up lilium's analysis shader and look at the cie chart (color thing on the bottom left)

[cobalt sorrel]

ok good thing i installed the analysis too lol, i'll check

[ember tulip]

yea CA does seem to work but sharpening doesnt

[vivid iris]

it should look like there's a lot of wcg color with ca maxed out that goes away as you lower it

[ember tulip]

correct

[vivid iris]

wait how are you guys getting opposite outcomes

[ember tulip]

🤷‍♂️

[cobalt sorrel]

im wrong about chromatic abberation when FG is off, the picture just doesnt rlly change much at all like i normally can see in other games

[vivid iris]

okay it'll take a while for these to decompile

yeah it's not a super aggressive distoration all that often, but it messes up colors in a way that most CA shaders don't

[vivid iris]

how about with framegen on?

[cobalt sorrel]

so that was just using FSR 4.1 Native no FG, means its working?

[ember tulip]

the CIE changed

so yea id say so

[cobalt sorrel]

checking with FG now, but i know sharpness on native aa or fsr quality wasnt doin anything

sharpness i can instantly see

checking

[vivid iris]

oh, right, fsr doesn't use the sharpening for some reason

[sick monolith]

CA is tied to color space? cie chart shows bt2020 at 100 CA

[ember tulip]

oh so everything is fine then 😂

[vivid iris]

I'd guess they don't use it because fsr has cas built in

[ember tulip]

shame we cant tune it though like other games allow for

[vivid iris]

it's not so much that it's tied to it as it's run in AP1 color space and it creates a lot of goofy color errors

[cobalt sorrel]

so CA working with FG bc it's changing, but sharpess isnt doing anything when i move it, and visibily no sharpness being changed. This time i used FSR 4.1 quality

[ember tulip]

yea jon said fsr doesnt use sharpness

cause its built in

its just bad

[cobalt sorrel]

but the first clip i shared i had fsr native AA and sharpness changes

[vivid iris]

they may have overtuned it

[young pebble]

does renodx only works in hdr mode? tried in crimson desert, not working in sdr, only wokring in hdr

[cobalt sorrel]

same for fsr quality

only not applying when i have FG on

[vivid iris]

might be a native thing specifically

[cobalt sorrel]

fsr quality sharpness works too without FG tho

i can raise it

so somehow its being applied on top of fsr but not when u enable FG then?

[ember tulip]

jon might find something in my shader dump

my FG is on so if its there it'll pop up

[vivid iris]

oh yeah that's what it was, weird fsr framegen thing

sorry for being forgetful lmao

[cobalt sorrel]

no ur good! sorry for any confusion, at least i can see that the CA slider is actually working. my fault, didnt know i could check in the analysis for CA

and thats why i got confused bc sharpness slider also was working whenever i kept FG off, the second FG is on, the game stays super sharpened even at 0 and slider doesnt work

but CA with FG was working so weird

[hardy owl]

I want to confirm that the CA aberration toggle and sharpening in HDR works really well. Just installed it and looks much better

[cobalt sorrel]

without the mod, FSR 4.1 Native AA is insanely sharp, thats how i noticed. the mod with 0 sharpness no FG helps so much.

wait. check this out. its def some type of correction to sharpening FG is doing i think

[spare quartz]

i can't believe we have resorted to reading blind lol. have you guys never used it? its a cesspool full of fanfic about staff by laid off employees

[cobalt sorrel]

FSR Native AA, reno mod disabled

FSR Native AA + FG and reno mod disabled, look at the difference. it's like correcting the oversharpening

[worn ibex]

I have a blind account yeah

It’s not good for my mental health yeah

[spare quartz]

yeah it was depressing even during the covid hiring boom

i remember it was logged in on my phone for like 6 months after I left a company with email deactivated

[gilded cloak]

Guys is the HDR mod out for this game

[vivid iris]

pins

[ember tulip]

woo!

[gilded cloak]

How do I donate to you

[vivid iris]

it was me, forge, and shortfuse that worked on it, but my ko-fi is here https://ko-fi.com/kickfister

[spare quartz]

new version is brighter?

[vivid iris]

yes

[ember tulip]

yea makes it more like the vanilla acesv2 tonemap

[hardy owl]

Hi, what is the best way to donate to all of you?

[vivid iris]

there are ko-fi links as buttons in the mod for all of us

[spare quartz]

I can adjust the exposure slider in the mod to change that right?

[gilded cloak]

Ok thanks will donate to all 3

[hardy owl]

and if I join the patreon suscription? does that goes for the whole team?

[gilded cloak]

I know forge

[vivid iris]

https://ko-fi.com/forge87682

[vivid iris]

that's just for shortfuse

[gilded cloak]

Bro Jon should I just install reshade and put your file in installation folder or is there anything else I need to do please

[vivid iris]

that's all. HDR needs to be on in game

[gilded cloak]

Ok thanks bro

[spare quartz]

thx for the mod ❤️

[gilded cloak]

Reshade 6.7.3 with add on support right?

[vivid iris]

yep

[gilded cloak]

Sorry to ask this but direct X 10/11/12 is what I have to choose while installing reshade right? Jon

[vivid iris]

yeah, dx12

[rough granite]

Just woke up, Thanks for the add on 🙏

As there been progress on shadows and pop in?

[vivid iris]

forge is making progress, nothing ready yet

[hardy owl]

in forge we trust

[vivid iris]

I'm headin to bed now

[cobalt sorrel]

get some rest and thanks for ur help earlier Jon

thinking AMD FG just overrides sharpness or something, its less sharp than vanilla when u turn it on at least

[gilded cloak]

Jon last question when I go to folder location from steam I don’t see .exe I see folder like 0000 0001 so on but I see that .exe is in bin64 is that where I drop the renodx file?

[hardy owl]

yes

drop it there

[cobalt sorrel]

Hey I can help junior. yes drop everything in bin64

when u installed reshade, in bin64 u should see a dxgi dll file

[faint bobcat]

[gilded cloak]

Yes thanks brother I did that

[gilded cloak]

Thank you

[cobalt sorrel]

no problem, the renodx file just goes in same folder

when u launch the game, press Home to bring up reshade, skip the tutorial, uncheck generic depths and one other thing under Add ons i believe

make sure just renodx is checked

[gilded cloak]

I got a message causing there were riots loading some add ons
Check the log for more details

[hardy owl]

Did you install reshade addon?

not the normal reshade, the addon support

[gilded cloak]

Lemme check again sorry

Yes it is addon

[hardy owl]

and you put the addon file from RENO where the exe is? then it should work without issues

[gilded cloak]

I checked liliums HDR analysis tool too while installing

[cobalt sorrel]

yeah i did too

[gilded cloak]

Yes in bin64 folder I see them

[cobalt sorrel]

so in the bin64 folder inside of crimson desert u have a dxgi file for reshade and the renodx addon correct?

[gilded cloak]

Working fine now I restarted

[cobalt sorrel]

ah ok

[gilded cloak]

Shows no error like it did before

[hardy owl]

awesome

[cobalt sorrel]

cool, do this now

when u launch the game, press Home to bring up reshade, skip the tutorial, uncheck generic depths and one other thing under Add ons i believe

make sure only renodx is checked off

then renodx settings and sliders are in its own tab at the end

[gilded cloak]

So I should uncheck generic depth and effect runtime sync correct?

[cobalt sorrel]

yes those 2

dont need em

[worn ibex]

Wtf is that

[cobalt sorrel]

it will say u have to reboot game for them to take effect

normal

[worn ibex]

Has VRS disable fix been found

[gilded cloak]

RenoDX show be ticked right and the other too unchecked?

[cobalt sorrel]

yes

[gilded cloak]

Thanks bro

[cobalt sorrel]

no problem, the analysis tool can be toggled on and off under Home i think just so u can see how the sliders impact

[spare quartz]

I clicked the reset button on exposure and it reverted to the exposure in the older version of the mod

[cobalt sorrel]

its how u can test and see sharpness (though this u can visibly see easily) and chromatic abberation sliders are working

[gilded cloak]

Any recommended slider settings for advanced mode I use OLED monitor XG32UCWMG

[cobalt sorrel]

leave most things default, it's preference. if you dont like CA or sharpening and film grain, turn all those down to 0 at bottom

everything else i leave default typically

u can switch the tonemapper to see which u prefer too

[gilded cloak]

Ok!

[gilded cloak]

What’s CA

[cobalt sorrel]

chromatic aberration

strongly suggest 0 but thats me, most people dont like it in my experience but in this game is isnt super aggressive to my eye

but i disable in every game that allows. thank these gentlemen for mods like this

[faint bobcat]

@crude marsh I think I narrowed down your issue

its not caused by shadows

but by raymarching from local light sources

[faint bobcat]

local lights are turbo bugged anyways and do stuff like this

the random black shadow overlay thing going through walls is their raymarching though

[gilded cloak]

Should I use DLSS 4.0 or 4.5

[cobalt sorrel]

Idk what works best in this title, im on an AMD gpu so dont have dlss

[hardy owl]

at the moment be aware that any form of upscaling is broken and causes more shimmering and other issues

[cobalt sorrel]

if you can use DLAA, use that and just reduce sharpening

[hardy owl]

I honestly think its better just to play with the default TAA this game has wait for the developers to fix dlss

[cobalt sorrel]

im using FSR 4 Native AA, it works better than upscaling like gonzo said rn

preference honestly, to ur eye something might look better than what i think

certain things bother people less than others

[uneven harness]

For me game look very good on 4k with dlss(4.0) quality

I can't use ray reconstruction if i don't use upscaling

[fleet jacinth]

dont worry, nobody can

[crude marsh]

TFW RR is also enabling stuff used for pathtracing

and increasing ray samples a lot

[crude marsh]

man local lights are so fucked

[gilded cloak]

@hardy owl even without upscaling the water looks horrendous

I don’t know what’s wrong

[neon whale]

man screw RR, the performance hit is too much. just gonna play DLAA and all Cinematic

[carmine stump]

Everytime I switch back to standard denoiser to check how its looking in certain places and time of day, I'm shocked.

[narrow frost]

There's an entirely separate denoiser that gets used together with other RT functions which are all baked under the Ray Reconstruction option.
It's pretty much as demanding as PT, they use a extremely lightweight denoiser without RR when using just RT - that's why some places such as inside churches has extremely noisy shimmering glare everywhere with it off.

[fleet jacinth]

does the rain still vanish with RR?

[carmine stump]

Yeah, but not only inside buildings. I can easily see the downgrade at nighttime where any kind of lightsources are.

[narrow frost]

True it does give better visuals, but the impact is obviously huge.
Would be nice it if all was split into separate options.

[carmine stump]

Yes, 30% performance impact on top with max lighting is horrendous.

[narrow frost]

True, here is mine with it On vs Off.
Cinematic Preset @ 1440p DLSS 4.5 L - Performance upscaling.
EDIT: Sorry for the compression, used Steam screenshots for the convertion since I play in HDR.

As you can see it adds RT Shadows, messes with meshes and bounce lighting etc.

so the "RR" is a bit misleading lol.

[carmine stump]

Shadows are crucial

But biggest issue is the standard denoiser in this game.

[sterile sable]

I found out yesterday that IF you play with FG and crank mouse acceleration to 100 there's no input lag (nvidia tool shows 40 ms latency with max settings fg x4 at 1440p with 5080/90800x3d). The real issue is horrendous flickering/boiling. This game looks very impressive in some still images but in motion it's disaster. Also any dlss settings but DLAA making image blurrier

also this shit. I noticed on some objects like actual mesh is bigger

[narrow frost]

Yep, check the *wall on the right side lol.

[crude marsh]

its enabling restir and increasing the number of samples significantly

[uneven harness]

Yeah sure i have 9800x3d and 5090 astral

[fleet jacinth]

man i wish i could use dc/sk with renodx here, just cant it it to work together

[solar bone]

The flickering shadows are terrible in this game

They're not being rendered past 5 feet

[uneven harness]

The game is so inconsistent

[sterile sable]

dunno about controller (game has separate controller acceleration setting I bet it do same thing as mouse one) I've seen controller remap mod but I guess I will play with mouse and keyboard default controller experience is bad for me because of bad scheme

[solar bone]

they definitely didn't hire good people to do the graphics stuff

[sterile sable]

problem is some objects have these transparent meshes with RR on and off i.e. all the time. Some of them become worse with RR off some with RR on

[crude marsh]

RR is only way to get decent lighting, but yeah it shouldnt be turning on PT stuff and increasing samples by 8x

[solar bone]

Also putting Lighting to max cuts your fps by like 100+

[crude marsh]

game barely has RTGI without RR

[solar bone]

yeah it's terrible without it

[crude marsh]

just a mess of an implementation

[tame vault]

RR with DLSS Performance, FGx2, RCAS and RenoDX is very playable for me now

120dps lock via DC

[solar bone]

also pisses me off you cannot have anything overridden in nvidia app or you get black screen

[tame vault]

Maybe textures are softer? I hope that gets resolved but it's not bothering me

[sterile sable]

I've seen good people in this thread working on fixing some of that shit. It would be really bad if they somehow do fix it and then devs will ruin it with patch or something

[sterile sable]

which resolution?

[tame vault]

4K

5090 9800x3d

[sterile sable]

cries in 5080

[solar bone]

5080 is more than enough for this game

[uneven harness]

Bruh i have 130 fps with the same setting on dlss quality

[narrow frost]

What are you trying to override?
I use NVIDIA Profile Inspector, though you might have to uninstall the NVIDIA App as it consistently overrides your changes (at least it did for me).

[carmine stump]

I'm using NV profile inspector and I have overwritten, DLSS, FG, RR all the time globally to latest. No issues in this game.

[solar bone]

Well it did for me

once i turned it off no issues

[crude marsh]

you cant override scale

[solar bone]

also the shitty black flickering bar on top of the screen when using HDR with DLAA

[uneven harness]

Yeah i see that

[tame vault]

Not everywhere you won't. I lock to the lowest I see in pain point areas.

[hardy owl]

This is my main problem with the game. We neef a fix for this

[uneven harness]

Maybe i just have 3 hours of gameplay

[tame vault]

The very beginning fight with all the fire is pretty demanding. You won't be getting 130 there with RR and DLSS quality

[crude marsh]

game definitely doesn't perform well

[tame vault]

Locking a bit lower reduces GPU load which reduces latency

[crude marsh]

5k x 2k I get 45-50 base with RTX 6000

dlss balanced

[solar bone]

Usually devs don't fix this shit and we need people with @crude marsh 's skill to fix these issues

[wise flax]

@tame vault From what I've seen and heard that fire scene is one of the heaviest in the entire game.

[crude marsh]

have reverse engineered their assets and encryption but.... ugh

[tame vault]

Maybe. I could be being too conservative but I like to lock and forget

[crude marsh]

Forge will have some fixes for shadows and a couple other things

[solar bone]

Looking rough, huh

[tame vault]

Hate constantly checking stuff

[hardy owl]

In this case @faint bobcat is the one that will fix these problems so we should all support this guy. I already sent him a donation

[solar bone]

[crude marsh]

I have been trying to unfuck the trees

[solar bone]

Can't wait till you guys find and fix all the shit devs can't as per usual

[crude marsh]

0 chance devs will fix most of this

they would need to rework a lot of the rendering pipeline

[solar bone]

Sadly that's been the case for long

[crude marsh]

game is absurdly busted

[wise flax]

I'm not hard to please if I can get HDR+DLAA without the black bar glitch and maybe a bit less shimmer/flicker I'd be happy.

[sterile sable]

by this you mean trees being locked in constant rock concert?

[hardy owl]

So then its up to you guys. Please dont give up

[solar bone]

Yeah anything below DLAA makes things too blurry and distant stuff bad looking

[crude marsh]

the extremely low quality LODs not too far from the player is main thing

[wise flax]

Oh and also a way to reduce pop in, but idk if that one will happen...

[narrow frost]

Sorry to be asking this kinda in the middle of it all, haven't kept track in this server for a while so likely missed it.
Is there an estimate when a RenoDX mod is out for Crimson Desert?

[solar bone]

they really thought people wouldn't get pissed off from things being rendered at 144p 5 feet away from your character

[crude marsh]

check the pins

[hardy owl]

Some trees in the distance look like 2d cardboard boxes lol. Ps3 levels

[crude marsh]

lighting is super ass without RR though ugh

[solar bone]

what do you mean, you don't like this beauty?

[wise flax]

What settings? Mine don't look that bad at any distance.

[wise flax]

What the hell I have my game open and I don't see any like that

[uneven harness]

They improve so much compared to black desert I was so scared when i heard about the pop think

[narrow frost]

Looks like Valheim lol.

[carmine stump]

Lmao, dat one tree caught my attention too. Stands pretty alone there and just looking awful XD

[crude marsh]

yeah most of the trees in the game look........... not good

[wise flax]

Is that not a lower setting thing?

[crude marsh]

no

[solar bone]

I'm just glad we can turn off that god awful CA in Reno

[hardy owl]

That's cinematic settings for you

[solar bone]

what are devs smoking to EVER think of adding Chromatic Aberration

[wise flax]

Weird I'm in a forest right now and they don't look nearly as bad

Not perfect, but not a blob like that picture

[hardy owl]

Anyone thinking CA is okay should be charged with first degree murder

[tame vault]

The existing RenoDX already saves the game imo

[crude marsh]

they start looking bad at around idk, 20 meters

[tame vault]

Can't wait to see what else you all cook ypt

[wise flax]

The worst I'm seeing with trees is shadow flickering

[crude marsh]

nah they are very low quality geometry

[solar bone]

Shadows are one of the biggest offenders right now

then trees

[carmine stump]

Thats just LOD issue with trees in the distance

[narrow frost]

Its legit a curse same goes for lens flare, motion blur can get a pass in racing games if done correctly imo.

[lyric aurora]

Yeah honestly the pop in and flickering shadow are actaully horrendous event with all Max

[wise flax]

Maybe certain types of trees are worse. Most of the trees I'm nearby are like pines with less foliage.

[solar bone]

At least Reno fixes the oversaturated mess the game otherwise is

[crude marsh]

the pines look pretty 2D not that far away IIRC

[solar bone]

Smoke and especially from chimneys also looks like fucking minecraft bricks being shat out of them

[crude marsh]

yeah, they abuse VRS as in, they render a lot of things low resolution

[solar bone]

I am so tired of devs using these shit implementations of clouds as well

[warm idol]

yeah this is one of my biggest gripes currently.

[solar bone]

stop using volumetric clouds when they look like SHIT

[wise flax]

Ah I see what you're talkling about. For me it's trees at about 100+m away that if you look closely they're much lower quality

[crude marsh]

the clouds are like 1/4 res at best with heavy dithering, resulting in heavy disocclusion noise

[solar bone]

I can't recall a game where they had actually good looking volumetric clouds

Usually mods had to fix them

[warm idol]

Is it just me, or is night time super bright now? Its lighter than RDR2 night time. On release day it was really dark which I loved. Is this something to do with the mod?

[solar bone]

It is way too bright

even with hdr

[wise flax]

Also strangely some trees far away look ok, while others closer look horrible.

[crude marsh]

its darker with reno

[solar bone]

thankfully

it was like walking around at afternoon in vanilla

but hdr is also a broken mess in vanilla

[sterile sable]

these are max settings with rr

[hardy owl]

I have complained in the game's subreddit about this. I was excited for dark nights and they are brighter than the latest Assassin's Creed games lol

[solar bone]

Turn off that awful CA

[warm idol]

I swear, yesterday I was walking around at night and it was really dark, it as raining at the time, so maybe that caused it.

[narrow frost]

The noise is wild, like ghostly termites. 😄
More like a drunken effect tbh.

[warm idol]

this is at 3.52am!

[sterile sable]

I have not played with Reno installed yet

[wise flax]

It's much worse inside as shadows look broken and noisy unless you're running DLAA which cleans them up a good bit.

Inside they shimmer and outside they flicker lol

[sterile sable]

well looks accurate to 4 am where i live It may be even brighter here

[warm idol]

Release day in the rain at night, unsure of the time. But that is a HUGE difference.

[crude marsh]

also the fact game looks like a barren wasteland cause of draw distances makes me sad looking out over big scenes

[solar bone]

Had to use some colorlab settings as well to get the colors right

and a couple of curve settings

[crude marsh]

where's the foliage

[sterile sable]

Do I use Lillium's black floor fix with reno in pinned message?

[wise flax]

eww is that a cinematic foliage?

[crude marsh]

yes

[wise flax]

oof

[crude marsh]

just no grass or bushes and trees are thinned out

[solar bone]

Beautiful foliage

[wise flax]

It's criminal there are no LOD/Draw Distance settings when this game rarely uses more than 9gb vram at 4k max settings...

[elfin hollow]

Is this related to FG? Haven't had a chance to check yet, I just dropped to DLSS Q

[stuck plaza]

hi i have reno installed on crimson and i see the renodx reshade menu and can change settings, but nothing happens when i change the settings, there is no change in image

[solar bone]

yeah we definitely need an LOD slider

[wise flax]

@elfin hollow It's the combination of DLAA+HDR.

[narrow frost]

Don't worry, they'll pop in when you get closer. 😄
The dandelions just thrusting out of the ground from a 5 meter radius when riding the horse lol.

[hardy owl]

You have to play in HDR to see the changes

[crude marsh]

also they stream in slowly for some reason?

[stuck plaza]

it is in HDR

[crude marsh]

standing still and seeing a tuft of grass pop up here and there

[narrow frost]

Yeah idk tbh, there is so many quirks that I just try to look past them for the time being. 😄

[hardy owl]

Screenshot the menu and your settings with the mod

[stuck plaza]

here is my windows setting and game setting

[wise flax]

If I hadn't gotten this game free when I bought my 9850x3d I probably would have refunded and waited for a sale.

[hardy owl]

Change it to full screen mode.

But honestly that should work

[stuck plaza]

i was just thinking that, i was like hmmm wonder if its because its not in fullscreen

[solar bone]

lmao seriously

[crude marsh]

fullscreen generally not recommended these days

[hardy owl]

They don't want criticism

[hardy owl]

@crude marsh can probably help you better I don't know that much but judging by the settings the mod should be working.

[crude marsh]

guessing that turning off upscaling breaks it, or its working

[wise flax]

This game may have the worst controls of any game I've ever played.

[foggy cove]

i remember having the same issue that was on the first build though so i just assumed it wasn't in it yet

[wise flax]

It takes an act of congress and a 4 leaf clover to climb a fucking ladder half the time...

[solar bone]

Really liking this colorlab setting making the game look less like a cyan color palette mess

[stuck plaza]

it works now

[late marlin]

Remember to also try out rr preset e. It's on preset d on Standard

[hardy owl]

Man since you know quite a bit, RDR2 from a technical point of view is in much better shape than this game right? I replayed it recently and I didn't have many complaints. Maybe low res shadows but not much else.

[crude marsh]

never touched RDR2, story cowboy game sounds dreadfully boring to me

[hardy owl]

Ouch. You should play it

[solar bone]

A lot of people compare this to RDR2

Modding RDR2 is fucking ass though

[narrow frost]

I see, I haven't messed with the RR Preset Letters specifically.
Does it make a noticeable improvement?

[solar bone]

you do one thing wrong the whole thing breaks

and you want those texture packs and what not to make the game look good

Quite surprised no one made a Reno for it until now

[wise flax]

One positive about Crimson Desert is that I have not crashed yet despite leaving it minimized for 30+ minutes, doing tons of other shit on my pc, constantly changing settings etc.

[late marlin]

It looks sharper on my end with e. Preset e is generally better and less blurry. Some people say they may notice some noise every now and then, but i don't really notice it. Everything looks more crisp

[foggy cove]

in more ways than one the controls are also ass in that game

[narrow frost]

I see, will give it a go as well. 😄

[late marlin]

I don't know if it will tank the FPS more but I did not notice a big difference in fps

[vital bay]

Hi, don't want to distract from the important work you guys are doing here so i'll try to keep this short in a message. I just installed RDXC trying to mod crimson deserts awful sharpening and CA out, but after installing all 3 components, the game refuses to start past the splash screen, just hangs in my task manager. I've only tried using DC Mode 1, is there something other i should be using? Thank you!

[crude marsh]

general rule of thumb for E is less noise, more ghosting, slightly blurrier, is how it is in most games

[tame vault]

Other annoyances:

Adaptive triggers seemingly don't work, at all
On launch the game window doesn't take focus. I have to alt tab every time

[wise flax]

RDR and this aren't similar in many ways outside of big open world with a ton of shit to do. RDR is extremely story/character driven while CD is well idk yet tbh despite quite a few hrs. The story is dogshit, combat I'm on the fence about and open world feels huge but shallow...

[crude marsh]

not sure if DC is working well with this game atm

[narrow frost]

It should be pretty easy to tell, since I however around 60-70 anyways (no FG).

[teal pumice]

real fullscreen doesnt exist in dx12 and even fake fullscreen is not recommended

[hardy owl]

Gotcha. Like I said I don't know so much so I was guessing. In some games in order for HDR to work you need to be in Fullscreen so that's why I said it

[teal pumice]

outdated nvapi stuff

[sterile sable]

I just checked and in 4k DLSS perf it's not a mess like that, you can see boiling still but it's drastically reduced, with DLAA 1440p there is no boiling at all but you all know about that cring black bar on top, something is really messed up in pipeline/shaders. Good thing it definitely fixable bad thing I doubt devs going to do it (first impression ruined anyway)

[narrow frost]

Elden Ring is probably the best example of that, it disable HDR and greyes it out if its not set to "Fullscreen" lol.

[sterile sable]

shit I can't play anything but DLAA now after I've seen it

[solar bone]

yeah too much shit to click too

[hardy owl]

RDR2 too as well. There's quite a few games with that issue

[sterile sable]

also how dafuq you take strongbox located in this manor

[teal pumice]

there are two ways to do hdr on windows, via driver or windows

the former is outdated and required fullscreen

[narrow frost]

Are you referring to Auto HDR?

[teal pumice]

no just general hdr ouput

[narrow frost]

ahh

[foggy cove]

slow unresponsive controls, double tap A to run, convoluted menus

list goes on

[teal pumice]

tldr, elden ring (and some other game) use driver for hdr ouput instead of windows os

which requires fullscreen

and its outdated and buggy

it exists because windows didnt support hdr back in 2016 or so

[foggy cove]

i really don't understand why there's so many games that don't just use the stick for running

[teal pumice]

should never be used after windows supported it

[wise flax]

Elden Ring and Sekiro HDR were both so buggy with fullscreen and sometimes just randomly didn't work and would be completely washed out.

[sterile sable]

DLAA also seems to fix RR "debump" Like on these screenshots. FLAT roof is with RR on DLSS Quality and Roof with "bumps" is RR Off, HOWEVER when I turn on DLAA Roof bump maping is back

[teal pumice]

ya becasue driver hdr (on nvidia card its called nvapi) is outdated and buggy

nvidia also dont want to fix it apparently

because its useless after windows official supported hdr

[solar bone]

shame we can't use DLAA with HDR

[real idol]

Double tapping a to run is fine but that constant tapping a to make the horse sprint is obnoxious as hell. I haven't been using the horse at all because of that

[hardy owl]

That sucks. I can't do 4k with DLAA and RR on in my 4090. I get 20fps I think

[wise flax]

It's not great on a 5090 either...

[foggy cove]

it's fine but like why... i don't get it no one ever likes it

[solar bone]

[narrow frost]

But what wise man with a huge collection of leather jackets once said, fake frames lol.
You can turn those 20 fps to potentially 40*.

[wise flax]

Also the fact that the game released without any type of storage chest/container is wild...

They give you a million different random items and no way to store things.

[sterile sable]

Ok, it's not really bumps DLAA is just 100% render scale pre upscaling while DLSSQ is 0.66, devs really seems to ignored Nvidia manual and whatever transparent shit they use simply get's lower resolution with any dlss settings

[real idol]

I totally get it. The whole control scheme is complete ass and the thing is I've been following this year for the last couple of years and people had been telling them that its still like this. Apparently it was much much worse before

[thick hull]

this made me drop the game, it looks worse at night indoors too

[velvet cliff]

yeah I feel like I know the reason for that

[real idol]

I shudder to think

[velvet cliff]

The game was supposed to be a mmo like Black Desert, where you pay for inventory

real money pay

guess the transition didn't turn out perfect

[wise flax]

Eh maybe, but even if so they pivoted from that a long time ago. It just seems like they didn't do enough QA or testing.

[velvet cliff]

I think they only decided their mind on making this complete single player in 2024 late or something

[narrow frost]

Afaik that's what they had planned for down the line with this game.
That's what they meant by "they'll add multiplayer to it if the game does good".

[wise flax]

I mean that would still give them a year to add a storage chest to the quite possibly biggest explorable rpg world ever made. I just don't understand how something like that slips between the cracks.

[real idol]

Nah, it doesn't look this bad on my end

[sterile sable]

4k? DLAA?

[real idol]

4K Quality with RR.

Are you doing RR or 4.5?

should be 4 if dlss

[tame vault]

One good thing, the game is verrrrry smooth. Camera panning etc

[sterile sable]

because this is DLAA = no boiling and blur filter placed on everything

[wise flax]

Issue is with DLAA and HDR you get the black bar glitch..

[faint bobcat]

wow

I just put the dots together

this must be the 'we use pathtraced diffuse solution'

becasuse they have ReSTIR

so they werent lying

[real idol]

At least the HUD is longer being affected by FG. Donno how they shipped the game without implememnting that basic feature

[faint bobcat]

just poorly communicated

[hardy owl]

So what does that mean?

[real idol]

interaction icons are still affected by it though. Do they not have a separate shader?

[faint bobcat]

As I mentioned, the game turns on ReSTIR when you select RR

its not RR alone thats eating 50% perf

that would be dumb

its RR + ReSTIR

the game isnt using 'max' lighting

its using max max

they just lock the menu down to say max

[hardy owl]

I see. Weird that they didn't offer an slider to choose the quality

[late marlin]

and there is probably no way to lower lighting quality while rr is active, right?

[faint bobcat]

no

I cant change engine side stuff

RR forces ReSTIR

[hardy owl]

But if you cant change engine related stuff, how will you fix these issues with the shadows 💀

[faint bobcat]

caused by shaders

I cant adjust major CPU code

Reno doesnt have those capabilities

without reverse engineering

I can modify shader code

[hardy owl]

I see so you can adjust shaders but not engine related stuff. Interesting. Today I am learning a lot lol

[faint bobcat]

and shaders are responisble for well shading everything

if the data that is being passed on to the shaders is already cooked from CPU/engine then rip

not much I can do

I could upgraded shadowmap RTVs and such. Increase resolution

[rough granite]

Your video with the red area used for LOD was interesting, are you able to increase its size?

[faint bobcat]

no

LODs are stricly CPU

and Engine side

the engine tells the game to have X LODs and draw distance before anything even reaches shaders

[solar bone]

anyone want some cloud soup?

[rough granite]

Arf sad

[faint bobcat]

like this we could fix

clouds are 99% shader side

outside of textures and SRVs they use that are precomputed for the clouds

[ornate arch]

how do i download the mod ?

[tame vault]

What's your current thinking in terms of priorities to fix?

[faint bobcat]

shadows and displacement mapping

[solar bone]

YES

[faint bobcat]

they both fuk one another up

[solar bone]

shadows are awful

[tame vault]

Awesome 👍🏻

[faint bobcat]

and cause shimmering

[solar bone]

some shadows flicker literally at any distance

[faint bobcat]

but I am waiting for Shortfuse

since he has working decomp

[hardy owl]

That alone will make a big difference I believe. I wish we had a slider for LOD to have a wider range though

[solar bone]

Also shit pop-ins

stuff literally pops in right next to you

[tame vault]

Get used to it

☹️

[hardy owl]

Well maybe these guys can do something about it. We'll see

[tame vault]

Read up

Maybe longer term yeah

It's a lot of effort to invest into this engine though

Not like UE

Maybe the Devs will fix!

[faint bobcat]

as a cope solution, at the moment there pixel shader responsible for drawing the small pebbles, debris and so on is at fault

either the shader is doing something bad

or its again engine side draw distance

I can just disable the shader

less pop in of stuff

and random twigs dont spawn in a caslte throne room

[hardy owl]

That would definitely help

[faint bobcat]

or manor

[pearl wren]

I saw on YouTube that setting foliage to high eliminates the close range clutter that pops in.

[tame vault]

Such a big compromise though

[tame vault]

In response to forge

[hardy owl]

Really?

[drowsy iron]

You guys are wizards

[sterile sable]

well unfortunaly negative lod bias tweaks in nvpi don't have effect on game mismatched scale

when using dlss

[hardy owl]

Still. Having an option for that in their mod would be great

[fleet jacinth]

in a way, yes, but instead of pop in it just removes them entirely

problem solved!

cant have pop in issues if they never appear in the first place

[tame vault]

Time to load into game is super long

Longest I can remember. Makes me miss forspoken

[narrow frost]

Have it on a SSD or HDD?
I think the load-in animation is predetermined so it will always take ~30 seconds (pretty bad you can't just skip it).

[rough granite]

i'd take less details if it means less popin, and game still retains foliage its not like its gone

[tame vault]

Fast nvme ssd

[rough granite]

even on NVME and 9800x3d the first loading is easily 30s+

[narrow frost]

Same, 9800X3D. Game is installed on a separate 2TB 970 Evo Plus NVMe xd.

[hardy owl]

Same here

[rough granite]

but maybe its a feature called Retro loading times

[tame vault]

All of that said, I'm enjoying the game. It's a weird, weird blend of RDR2 and Forspoken

[sick monolith]

should i lower the exposure slider to 80 if i dont want the bump?

[narrow frost]

I'm really enjoying the game, even though it does have way too many odd quirks and at times horrible controls & navigation. 😄

[hardy owl]

Same here. I think its a great game. It just needs to be more polished in the graphics department

[tame vault]

I quite like having to learn it's craziness! Rather than copy paste ue5

[rough granite]

Same, the very slow and heavy walking is really a vibe, either you like it or hate it. Exactly like RDR2

[hardy owl]

Actually I just tried foliage to Medium and the popping is much less severe. And there is still tons of foliage. Its worth trying

[sterile sable]

It really seems like they messed up and with choosing dlss settings (quality/balanced/performance) they're applying same render scale to final image or something like that (or maybe just effects like shadows). Was unable to fix it through negative lod bias. I doubt community will be able to fix it and it's a real problem

[solar bone]

That'd be great tbh. It's so distracting

[hardy owl]

Change settings foliage to medium in the meantime. It helps a lot

[jade lava]

you mean the one on top? yea, it happened to me too with a 5090, however it seems the shadows rumor has been fixed with dlss 4.5 L at least

[wise flax]

Shadows rumor?

[jade lava]

plus with RC on the game is the remake of itself, so DLAA is no viable

[solar bone]

It does?

[hardy owl]

Yes it helps

[jade lava]

I mean shadows glitching on rocks

They probably patched it already, need to check, didn't play much today

[wise flax]

Idk I'm off to bed hopefully we get a patch for DLAA soon though.

[hardy owl]

What do you mean?

[jade lava]

Shadow glitching on rocks, it only gets fixed with DLSS 4, instead of 4.5

but DLSS4 has ghosting

[green gulch]

u guys playing with dlaa? so u have rt off?

[jade lava]

and apparently they fixed DLSS4.5

[real idol]

I feel like the sharpening is still there with this addon.

[hardy owl]

But ray reconstruction don't work with DLSS4.5 right?

[jade lava]

nah no way, im on a 5120x2160 monitor and ray rec. (path tracing?) is just way better than anything else, dlss quality will do the job

[real idol]

that is correct. its still on 4.0

it defaults to D

[hardy owl]

All the options in this game are basically a pick your poison thing lol

[jade lava]

just go dlss4 + path tracing

and wait for more patches

what gpu do you have

[hardy owl]

Yeah I am doing that. 4090

[green gulch]

i have 5070 ti

[jade lava]

playing in 2k/4k?

[hardy owl]

RR plus DLSS quality, everything cinematic except for foliage to medium because it reduces a lot of clutter popping

4k

[jade lava]

btw renomod (reshade i suppose) decided to break my game right now, the initial banner when you launch the game glitches and it crashes

tried with different dll names, same

[jade lava]

oh yea the popping is disgusting

rest is amazing tho

[carmine stump]

How much frames?

[smoky brook]

DLSS 4 Vs 4.5 is not a thing if you have RR enabled, RR is a completely different upscaler

[jade lava]

damn the bump mapping and the tessellation (whatever they're using for the streets) is crazy

[solar bone]

The default contrast in the game is also awful

[hardy owl]

I can confirm that rain is visible with Ray Reconstruction, RTGI and DLSS in quality mode

[winged crag]

am i right in thinking this hasnt been released yet?

[hardy owl]

I was worried about that but finally after 10 hours of gameplay, it rains and it works

[scenic adder]

Check the pins, there's a WIP version of the addon

[winged crag]

ah, thanks!

[solar bone]

so apparently this game uses one of the worst RR implementations which is why it costs so much to even use

[hardy owl]

Everything looks so grainy and noisy with rain. Ugh 😩

[solar bone]

yeah the rain overlay on surfaces is so weird

[hardy owl]

How the heck do the developers see this and think, yeah this looks fine. Wtf man

[solar bone]

some developers are just weird as hell

[fleet jacinth]

Someone make a mod that turns all hold button into normal button presses

im tired of having to hold down everything to do anything

[sterile sable]

And this is actually stupid. IT means that devs were able to fix rain by adjusting something in graphics pipeline. However at the same time they did nothing about boiling and shadows flickering and general image degradation when selecting any dlss but dlaa. Stupid because way of fixing it is SAME as fixing this damn rain.
As stated here https://github.com/NVIDIA/DLSS/blob/main/doc/DLSS_Programming_Guide_Release.pdf
This is how it should be

and this is how devs implemented it

DLSS is somewhere before interface but after post effects

hence we have this image shittification with it enabled which get's better the higher you go with final resolution

If you go and check Nvidia manual for Ray reconstruction it's basically the same as DLSS one

[hardy owl]

Oh god I am tired boss.

[sterile sable]

So considering they fixed rain they were able to move RR in correct part of pipeline. You can assume that before they fixed it it was AFTER post effects and that's why RR denoiser completely denoised that rain

[jade lava]

path tracing works with dlss 4.5 L btw, just tried

the difference is massive between PT on and off

[sterile sable]

what path tracing, game don't have it and ray reconstruction don't work with 4.5 dlss

[jade lava]

I just enabled it and it works with 4.5 too

yes, RR

lemme take some screens

[sterile sable]

No it don't you can verify it by enabling nvidia overlay it won't show preset L with RR enabled

[scenic adder]

RR overrides the DLSS upscaling preset, and the latest RR is still DLSS 4

[drowsy iron]

RR different to 4.5

[hardy owl]

I am checking and you are right. The difference between DLAA and DLSS quality is big. The problem with using DLAA is that my computer sounds like its going to explode

[jade lava]

you mean it forces dlss4?

i see, makes sense

[solar bone]

Nvidia hasn't released RR 4.5 yet

[jade lava]

that explains why there are no shadow glitches when you have both DLSS 4.5 and RR flagged on

which means DLSS 4.5 is still broken

when RR is off

[sick monolith]

take screens with DLSS info pls. there is no DLSS 4.5 with RR

[jade lava]

yea I know, but the flag in game remains on DLSS 4.5, when I've said "it seems like DLSS 4.5 got fixed", wasn't the case, it's jsut because RR is forcing DLSS 4 (even if it displays 4.5)

[hardy owl]

DLSS 4.5 and RR are not compatible

[exotic bridge]

Where is that ?

[analog parrot]

I was wondering, why is there no ambient occlusion with RR turned off?

[jade lava]

in fact if you remove RR and leave DLSS 4.5 on, shadows start to glitch again (because DLSS 4.5 actually works)

[jade lava]

HBAO?

[scenic adder]

The thread's pinned messages

[sick monolith]

take your screenshots with this on.. you will see that it's not working at all

[exotic bridge]

Thanks u

[jade lava]

i know it's not working, but in the game settings it remains 4.5, so the "i think they fixed dlss 4.5 shadows glitch" was just because RR is forcing DLSS4

[hardy owl]

Makes sense

When you select RR, the game forces DLSS4 automatically.

[jade lava]

ye

but it doesn't grayout to dlss4 in the settings for some reasons, it just keeps 4.5 displayed

[solar bone]

dlss 4.5 has other presets

[sick monolith]

RR preset D is a CNN model

[jade lava]

btw there's no way I can play DLAA + RR + Cinematic settings at 5120x2160 even with this GPU

[hardy owl]

Right. It probably forces Preset D for DLSS

[jade lava]

I am managing 170 fps with DLSS quality + RR + Framegen 2x + All cinematic, the base resolution is way too high

[exotic bridge]

Actually what is the best dlss settings ? RR + DLAA ?

[jade lava]

DLAA isn't DLSS, it's native AA

[hardy owl]

If you can afford it yes

[solar bone]

no hdr with dlaa though

[jade lava]

DLAA is hyper broken with black bars too

[hardy owl]

When I press DLAA Hdr works fine for me

[exotic bridge]

And with RR off ?

[solar bone]

problem is the black flickering bar

[hardy owl]

RR on if you don't want interiors to look like complete shit

[exotic bridge]

Ok thanks

[solar bone]

water also seems completely broken when exposed to certain light

[jade lava]

(screens were in HDR this is the gamebar tonemapped, dont mind that)

[jade lava]

with DLSS 4.5 even more

with DLSS4 you dont see the noise

does anyone play with the lg45 5120x2160?

[finite anchor]

me

[jade lava]

whats your peak brightness?

[finite anchor]

how to check this?

[jade lava]

also did you cru the hdr metadata?

[narrow frost]

It does (mine shows E as its overridden in Nvidia Profile Inspector).

[hardy owl]

Yes. Nvidia should update ray reconstruction man

[narrow frost]

used the wrong pic, my bad.

[jade lava]

well you need calibrate it to understand whats your peak brightness, on rttings their unit was peaking 1140

[jade lava]

yea i was about to say rr was off

[finite anchor]

any external program you would recommend?

[narrow frost]

This is with it On.

[narrow frost]

yeah my bad 😄

[finite anchor]

don't want to use windows hdr tool, also I'm using their ICC profile

[jade lava]

im using colorcontrol to load the profile cause i had enough of windows hdr calibration but you can check in there whats your peak brightness, or just check the metadata in cru, some people were just forcing the 1300 peak brightness the monitor should reach, but it doesn't

the way native hdr raises the black level in most of the games is disgusting, that's the real problem, see cyberpunk

[potent spear]

anyone elses graphics settings keep reverting every launch of the game?

[sterile sable]

it seems devs did realy some clown shit, tried to select custom DLSS scale like 80% but anything but default values results in black screen in game (only some effects are rendered correctly)

[jade lava]

not here

[potent spear]

Everytime I open the game I go into settings and set them to my "optimized" settings again lmao

[jade lava]

saving with Y instead of A (load) btw, what a bait

porco dio

[jade lava]

do you leave the game through the menu or just press alt+f4?

😂

[potent spear]

I go to the title screen and exit from there

[jade lava]

ok it's not that

[narrow frost]

Only things that come to mind, either doesn't close the game correctly (aka crashing etc) or your config file is read only for whatever reason.

[potent spear]

could be it's crashing, I'll check

[weary tangle]

You can't even alt+f4 without being forced to hold a damn button

[narrow frost]

They really went all in on the hold to do and mash lol.

[jade lava]

😂

[jade lava]

are you *really *sure you want to do it? hold the button

[potent spear]

can't see any reported crashes in event viewer so doesn't seem to be that

[narrow frost]

Quickly followed by mashing or you have to hold it again. 😔

[narrow frost]

Hmm

[potent spear]

where's the config file for the game located?

[narrow frost]

C:\Users\YourUsername\AppData\Local\PearlAbyss\CrimsonDesert\Config\Settings.ini

Oops, its "CD\save\user_engine_option_save.xml" not "CrimsonDesert\Config\Settings.ini".

[jade lava]

do you override dlss through nvidiaapp/inspector?

[potent spear]

I do yes

[jade lava]

the external override can lead to settings reset

[potent spear]

good shout. Can see if that helps

config file is not read-only

[narrow frost]

That's good, I haven't had that issue though and I use NVIDA Profile Inspector too.

[timid field]

I have seen the mod is released on the wiki. Is there a changelog to know what it fixes?

[potent spear]

nah still resets. Oh well, not a huge issue. Changing the settings have become part of my muscle memory at this point

[jade lava]

reset shader cache

[potent spear]

I'll try

okay so I didn't reset the dxcache but setting the preset to ultra and then going up from there instead of cinematic and down worked lmao

[hidden ivy]

does someone know the rules for Go? lol

[jade lava]

👍

[narrow frost]

Classic lol.

[jade lava]

is tghere a way to remove the self casted light from the armor

so annoying

i have a lamp already

nvm its not the armor its the lamp itself, forever on

evne when you dont use it

[narrow frost]

So you don't like the beauty light constantly on you? 😄

[potent spear]

the lamp keeps setting itself to ON after certain cutscenes

even if you manually set it to auto

[narrow frost]

I noticed the auto option is pretty yank, when you want it to turn on or its just very dark it just doesn't work lol.

I just manually turn it off and on at this point. xd

[jade lava]

this game needed like 1 more month of polishing

[potent spear]

wdym it's been gold for 3 months

[jade lava]

shame cause with one extra month of good polishing this game would be a flawless 10 when it comes to visual at least

[jade lava]

lol

[carmine stump]

the fireflys let the grass flicker, god damn it

[stone comet]

from what i can remember its just the one you put down changes colors surrounding it

[rough granite]

bodies despawn at light speed also

[lone wind]

Is the renodx mod for crimson desert released yet ?

[tardy gust]

anyone know why this just doesnt wanna do anything ?

[tardy gust]

dude pinned

does anyone know if the discord and github version are different?

discords one is slightly larger than the one on github

[ruby mural]

should we use ingame hdr ON with the mod ?