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[lilac urchin]

nobody gives a shit ahaha

i would not even click on it

[tawny ravine]

Most game journalists are trash tbh

And most are probably written by AI

[lilac urchin]

true true

[jade spruce]

EON BDRF When?

[lilac urchin]

i still think gamespot is the most realistic

they dont give away 9s

[faint bobcat]

Ready and locked in

[lilac urchin]

but yeah, need to be taken with a grain of salt

[faint bobcat]

Assuming decomp doesn't grift

[tawny ravine]

Yeah definitely. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the story ends up as the weakest part of the game. Which is a shame. Half of what makes these games interesting is the story and lore

I remember BDO story from years ago being pure sloppa

[lilac urchin]

if the story is bad, i wont be able to finish

no matter what i do

[faint bobcat]

Don't bother even opening the game

[lilac urchin]

thats literally what keeps you playing rdrd 2 and witcher 3

[tawny ravine]

Yeah that was the case for me with AC shadows. Beautiful world. Shit story and facial animations

Couldn't be bothered to finish

[lilac urchin]

yup, i end up putting easy mode

now now i had heard the difficulty curve issue quite a lot

[tawny ravine]

I just put the assassinations to be a confirmed one hit kill every time. It's bonkers that it's not on by default

It's a shame the story was such ass because just exploring the world of AC shadows was really nice. Looks better than most open world games

[lilac urchin]

dude that game was gorgeous to watch!!!!

prettier
than ghost

[tawny ravine]

The environment team is really talented

Then you go into dialogue and the facial animations are so stiff

[lilac urchin]

botox was a thing on that japan era

[flat dock]

crimson desert looks better than rdr 2 and witcher 3?

i would discard what that reviewer is saying

[lilac urchin]

i mean i beat rdrd2 again after DLAA could be force on it

and let me tell you

that shit aged well

is a painting

[flat dock]

did you use transformer model?

[lilac urchin]

yes, cause thats when the update to force latest DLSS came out

i think was around dlss 4 came out

the difference from TAA was absurd

cause that game was very blurry

[rough cliff]

idk man, is it rly that crazy to think a game 7 years newer than RDR2 can maybe look better overall

[lilac urchin]

im pretty sure will look better

[rough cliff]

rdr2 has poor ground textures and while the game holds up incredibly well it doesnt have stuff like RT, etc

[lilac urchin]

cause the draw distance is insane

[rough cliff]

yeah

[lilac urchin]

i have no doubt about how gorgeous it will be, which is the reason i really want the HDR to be good

[rough cliff]

but crimson desert vs RDR2 PS5/PC upgrade with ray tracing? now thatll be interesting

[lilac urchin]

but if is frustrating i will be sad :*(

[rough cliff]

i hope it is, but atleast renodx will fix it even if its not good

death stranding 2's hdr is horrible.... sad

[lilac urchin]

i will be playing that one

but i will wait for reno

PC has ray tracing

[rough cliff]

yeah im tryna wait for reno too, theres bugs anyways

[lilac urchin]

im down for a second playthrough

[rough cliff]

u cant go above 350nits in hdr with dlss

they gotta drop a day 1 patch i hope

[lilac urchin]

which game???

[rough cliff]

death stranding 2 bro, it leaked, u can play it right now

its got some bugs with HDR tho

[lilac urchin]

fuckkkkkkkk

[neon whale]

Isn't the review embargo lifted in 20 minutes? Did they break it for easy views?

[rough cliff]

the steam preload wasnt encrypted and now its everywhere lol

[lilac urchin]

yes! that is what that website does

[neon whale]

Lmao

[lilac urchin]

350 nits, that is some crazy bug

even if you use DLAA? im guessing it does

[rough cliff]

ya, even DLSS FG with pico upscaling

so dumb

[lilac urchin]

that one i wont even start before reno is out

im curious how the rtx reflections and GI plays out

game is gorgeous

[lilac urchin]

in 15 min will know the veredict

[stable ocean]

guesses for score?

im guessing 8

86

[tame vault]

51, DLSS 5 is mandatory

[lilac urchin]

that what i think, but i want 90s

91 at least

[thick zenith]

75-80

[stable ocean]

i think because of length and the story probably being the weakest part they will score it down a bit

[lilac urchin]

chill!!!! ahaha

12 min

feels like NYE

[worn ibex]

On a side note, who invented “Sloppa”

[worn ibex]

TMI mate

[lilac urchin]

i apologize Joel

[blazing ledge]

typical Ubisoft games, last i played their game was Watch Dogs 1 and that game was good both environmental and story too

[worn ibex]

It’s ok a lot of men have that issue

[worn ibex]

No the fuck it wasn’t lmao

Wd1 looked like shit

And had the most generic story

[blazing ledge]

hmmm guess i meant the environment generally, walking around looked good + with RenoDX

[worthy kernel]

the internet

[stable ocean]

79 on metacritic lol

[lilac urchin]

i knew it!!!!

gamespot a 7

they are always spot on

[stable ocean]

ign gave it a 6

[lilac urchin]

thats even worst ahaha

IGN tends to be softer

[rough cliff]

"The quest design and gameplay guidance are among the worst I’ve experienced in a long time. The story leaves me completely cold, the characters spark zero interest, and while Crimson Desert strives for immersion with its detailed, vibrant world, high-quality animations, and many features, it repeatedly undermines that immersion itself."

idk i hope its fun atleast

[stable ocean]

sheeesh

[karmic void]

If the sandbox is good I'm good

[stable ocean]

lets see what content creators say

[worthy kernel]

whole lot of a nothingburger then

[ocean onyx]

https://youtu.be/sVEdBAP_BY8?si=7TQ4CVqQRNcdrVEz

[lilac urchin]

was that 6 US IGN?

[tawny ravine]

Idk forge is the first person I saw using the word sloppa

[worthy kernel]

lmao

[tawny ravine]

Well that blows

[rough cliff]

with upscaling?

[stable ocean]

yes

[worthy kernel]

native

without rt?

[rough cliff]

thats honestly pretty good

uhh, ultra has rt lol

so does cinematic

no?

[worthy kernel]

oh yeah maybe it was with rt

but then the results don't make sense for 4k cinematic results

[rough cliff]

the games designed to run on a ps5 pro at upscaled 4k with high RT

cinematic is higher than ultra

[worthy kernel]

5080 was going 60fps with RR Performance Mode at cinematic

in DF's build

[rough cliff]

that sounds pretty reasonable for native

[worthy kernel]

so the results here cannot be with RT

[rough cliff]

u can use RT without RR, no?

RR is harder to run than preset L/M

[worthy kernel]

RR will not halve your framerate

[rough cliff]

did DF have the same build as HUB?

maybe it was an older build

[lilac urchin]

well guys renodx aint saving this game ahaha

[vivid iris]

Upper 70s is what I predicted

[lilac urchin]

IGN has not even finish, 110 hrs in and pissed all the time

[lilac urchin]

has 80 on opencritic

[stable ocean]

it went down to 77 on metacritic

[lilac urchin]

im so depress!!!!

what im I going to play now!!!!!!!!

[vivid iris]

I predicted peak mid and it's exactly what I'm getting

[stable ocean]

well i was waiting for this to play this or death stranding 2

i guess its kojimbo time

[lilac urchin]

yes but DS2 HDR is broken!!!!!

[stable ocean]

i think musa is working on it no?

[lilac urchin]

i guess is time to call the girlfriend ahaha

[lilac urchin]

he is

[tawny ravine]

Seems like everyone is shitting on the story, writing and characters. God help me with finishing this game if the main story really is 50 hours+ 😭

[lilac urchin]

i feel sorry about the developer

layoffs coming

[vivid iris]

this game will probably still sell incredibly well

[lilac urchin]

you think??

[vivid iris]

I think it'll be a critical miss and a normal people hit

[potent spear]

definitely going to be a love/hate game

I still like what I see, so I'm probably going to be having fun with it

[vivid iris]

black desert was absolute slop, loads of people played it lol

[worthy kernel]

that's one of the most wishlisted games on steam (ever?)

of course it's gonna sell

[lilac urchin]

i hope it does!

[digital quest]

I think so too also HUB is historically anti RT

[lilac urchin]

i will not be buying tho and i was pumped

i just dont like what im reading

i know i wont finish it

[potent spear]

I mean from all the previews and people having hands on with the game saying there was a a lot of bugs etc, I think expecting a game without issues at launch is just unrealistic

[tawny ravine]

I mean realistically there is no way for a game this size to launch without bugs

Seems like most are at the late game/endgame tho

[potent spear]

I want a good world to explore, which it definitely seems to have delivered on

[lilac urchin]

rdrd2 was not buggy on ps4

[worthy kernel]

you cannot compare a rockstar game to anything else in the industry really

[digital quest]

I will take it if its not Bethesda lvl tbh

[lilac urchin]

well i can, cause PC release was trash

[potent spear]

there does unfortunately seem to be quite alot of soft lock bugs

generally fixed by reloading the save

[lilac urchin]

i think overall is that game is gorgeous but is just not fun

[worthy kernel]

rdr2 was hard to run it seems, but absolutely not "trash"

[potent spear]

m8 you haven't played it yet

[lilac urchin]

trash in terms of buggs

optimization etc etc

[neon whale]

How is the 5070 ti better than the 4080 super at 1080p but becomes so much worse at 1440p?

[lilac urchin]

at least luke stephens liked it ahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaa

[neon whale]

Then it becomes better again at 4K.

[digital quest]

Maybe it is impossible to benchmark this game

[potent spear]

also 5080 being worse than both 4080 and 4080 super at 1440p

[digital quest]

It might have dynamic stuff that makes each run seperate

[foggy cove]

5070ti better than 4080s

[neon whale]

Yeah. Maybe it's really tricky to benchmark

[rough cliff]

only at 4k, 4080s is better at 1440p

[jade spruce]

5080 slower than 4080 at 1440p keke

[stable ocean]

cinematic is using rt?

[rough cliff]

skill issue

[digital quest]

Finding a cinematic cutscene and replicating that might be a better aproach

[jade spruce]

HUB would have mentioned bad run to run variance if it was the case.

[digital quest]

Just speculating

[neon whale]

5080 Was better at 1080p too

[foggy cove]

not on high

[neon whale]

Yeah I think so

[foggy cove]

must be the better rt cores?

[potent spear]

pinned comment

[neon whale]

Time to throw away my pc

[potent spear]

so the 5080 is between the 4090 and 4080 super

[neon whale]

I don't understand. 5070ti on 1440p high is slightly higher than a 4080 super. On cinematic a lot lower.

Some shenanigans are in play

[potent spear]

metacritic score went up by 1

saved

[foggy cove]

yeah idk you'd think the 4080s would be better on cinematic since it has more rt cores

[modest hatch]

Rdr 2 ? Everyone did

[modest hatch]

We need to see the ray reconstruction settings

Geralt benchmarks didn’t show it

[potent spear]

pretty sure he means that luke stephens liked crimson desert

[modest hatch]

Oh

I have a feeling Luke has a deal w them

[potent spear]

his review is positive for sure, but he also brings forth the negatives

[modest hatch]

Idk tho I haven’t see the full review

Might be wrong

[digital quest]

I stopped following journalist scores years ago tbh

I will wait for user reviews in a week or so

It will be better indicator imo

[modest hatch]

Isn’t it tomorrow

[foggy cove]

oh lord the lod pop in is still in the game @faint bobcat

[modest hatch]

Which game

[worldly frost]

https://x.com/beyond_fps/status/2034394175303507986?s=46

Beyond FPS (@beyond_fps)

The performance difference enabling Ray Reconstruction is brutal on Crimson Desert, goes from ~80s fps with 4K DLAA to ~55 with DLSS on Quality

They must be enabling higher quality RT settings when RR is on, there is no way otherwise

X · Mar 18, 2026, 10:19 PM

[neon whale]

The only way I watch reviews is find a reviewer that has close to my taste in games. So if he likes it there is a good chance that i'll like it too

[modest hatch]

This ain’t too bad

This is like path tracing

[foggy cove]

the game the thread is for lol

[modest hatch]

In terms of intensiveness

[modest hatch]

You played it ?

[digital quest]

Maybe they are tracing more because RR can handle the noise and their base denoising cant?

[foggy cove]

hub shows it in the video

https://youtu.be/sVEdBAP_BY8&t=864

timestamped

tim video more on image quality tommorow :)

[lilac urchin]

no, crimson

[neon whale]

Time to buy the game I guess

[modest hatch]

How is the frame gen in this game ? Wanna play at max everything with the 5080 and I’m wondering if 55 fps with dlss q can make frame gen look good

Edited it

[neon whale]

I'm like half blind for this type of stuff. I'm sensitive to latency but I'm clueless to image quality

[modest hatch]

@lilac urchin @foggy cove

[neon whale]

😂

[foggy cove]

this is why the mf doesn't do anything on monitors unboxed

[neon whale]

[foggy cove]

deep shadows is crazy though

maybe he was playing with rr

probably does have proper blacks (besides the ones RR crushes) and high brightness

[modest hatch]

I play avatar Pandora with dlss p and x2 fg and it looks great to me

I do dislike the unstable fps tho

[wide root]

https://youtu.be/Eh8nm5EQpLE

pop in is atrocious

[jade spruce]

Forge warned y'all

Pop-in desert online was the precursor

[nova cargo]

https://girlcockx.com/hardwareunboxed/status/2034403866985558423

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

One thing that didn't make it into any of our Crimson Desert content is that the game has excellent HDR on PC.
︀︀
︀︀You'll get proper blacks, deep shadows and high peak brightness. Looks really good on proper HDR monitors

**💬 16 🔁 9 ❤️ 250 👁️ 7.3K **

girlcockx · Mar 18, 2026, 10:57 PM

So how bad is it

I assume if a YouTube reviewer likes it

Then it must be terrible

[jade spruce]

It's probably omegacursed

[worn ibex]

What if HUB is better than DF

Who knows

[ocean onyx]

highly doubt that lmao

it probably looks as sloppy as the rest of the game's standard has been set

[modest hatch]

Man this is disappointing

Been waiting for this game

[rough cliff]

i hope its accurate and doesnt just "look good"

[worn ibex]

I will wait for my goat

GamingTech

(sarcasm)

[vivid iris]

Oh I’m scared lol

Really really hope it’s just that the already cursed visuals please in hdr

[nova cargo]

whenever anyone emphasizes contrast

I know its ass

[vivid iris]

Game is already too contrasty

If it’s even more than that, it might be the new worst hdr

[ocean onyx]

troy was right

[covert ruin]

so does anyone know what RR is actually doing in this game? why does it make it look so different

[ocean onyx]

almost certainly juicing the shit out of the ray tracing

and removing the hilariously incompetent denoiser with something decent

[foggy cove]

i'm thinking it's probably cause the crushed blacks from rr

[worn ibex]

Maybe

It raises blacks

But RR crushes them

Ipso facto

Big brain

[worn ibex]

Looks like this won’t be another Elden ring or Witcher 3 😔

[lapis smelt]

To some

It looks better and better to me

[modest hatch]

Based on gameranx

It seems like 8/9 out of 10

My fav game breath of the wild so that’s probably why

[foggy cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5axTCm2cj-s

seem pretty promising

good news @vivid iris

[modest hatch]

Yeah Jake really raised my spirits about this game

[lapis smelt]

Not Oliver on that DF Apology video saying DLSS5 is the same as Renodx in the case of intent

Jesus those guys are fucking cooked.

[vivid iris]

wait did he really? I didn't watch the whole thing

[thick zenith]

He said someone along the lines of altering the games' hdr is the same as dlss 5 in regards to "changing or destroying" the developers' intent.

[covert shuttle]

its at like 26 min

[covert shuttle]

^^

[lucid shoal]

Tim is saying it has good HDR though sorry to disappoint you

[vivid iris]

oh, what he said is fine enough

what a range of things to include in that statement though lol

placing rtx remix, renodx, and reshade mods in the same place

[vivid iris]

oh I didn't listen enough

[sudden pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-brainlet-wojak-meme-gif-17170021

That level of whataboutism is wild

[covert shuttle]

oh happened multiple times in same video

keta_bruhcat

[sudden pulsar]

My guy, just say Jensen has his elbow up your bum, it's okay...

[vivid iris]

gen AI is the same as making picture brighter

[covert shuttle]

hdr mod that tries to match sdr is not "developer vision"

[sudden pulsar]

I see a lick of AI bros fucked up "logic" when it comes to content theft

"Well it's the same as if I think about it myself for long enough, isn't it?"

That level of stretch is unmistakable lol

[vivid iris]

oliver has already shown that he doesn't really understand what HDR is already so this doesn't surprise me much

[lucid shoal]

Like him thinking HDR in Windows is completely broken?

[lapis smelt]

Sorry for not proving the timestamp, was listening to the video while washing dishes lmao

But yeah he casually mentions its the same thing, and implies that if Nvidia presented it as an additional feature people would like it.

Meanwhile Alex " Everybody fucking hated this" lol

[vivid iris]

how do you get the transcript on the side btw?

[covert shuttle]

description

[vivid iris]

ah, I'm just blind thanks

[lucid shoal]

Yea it's in the description and it is very useful

Don't remember the timestamp?

Just click on show transcript and use ctrl+f and just search

[vivid iris]

man, I wish they were familiar with literally any bit of game code when saying that when they have to know that this project claims to care about accuracy...

[worn ibex]

Does the monitors unboxed guy know about hdr?

[vivid iris]

like no the artistic vision of re9 wasn't to run two different highlight compression passes with two different curves which completely fucks the HDR calibration screen lol

if they wanted 400 nits in HDR they'd just limit the calibration screen

not write incompetent code

[vivid iris]

idk if he's ever really given opinions on content before

the reviews are good

[lucid shoal]

Alex might learn if he actually actively lurks because iirc he is at least in the HDR Den discord

[lapis smelt]

That pop in on Crimson Desert is a menace, jesus

[modest hatch]

Unfortunate

[foggy cove]

?

[fleet jacinth]

he tested hdr without RR

[vivid iris]

honestly as crushed as the game is, gamma mismatch might be super based

[blazing ledge]

pls translate super based in english

[vivid iris]

jokingly saying that the potential gamma mismatch might be a good thing visually

[tame vault]

Reviews are what I expected. The most disappointing thing is the pop-in. Do we see any chance of mods helping there?

[faint bobcat]

I am here

Peak omega slop

[faint bobcat]

Reverse engineer the game and figure out wtf they're doing CPU side

I highly doubt there's anything I can do shader side for that

[full quarry]

Yea it’s between the pop-in and jank controls for me

Hoping it’s got robust keyboard mapping cause at least I can brute force something with steam input

[faint bobcat]

Mouse and keyboard chads stay winning

[faint bobcat]

"black space engine"

It was there all along

[tacit raft]

@vivid iris So how cursed HDR is in this?
I'm still waiting for, uh, access to the game

[faint bobcat]

Utubers are praising it

So expect peak slop

That or it's just the abysmal base grading

And then HDR is frying it further

Also does Denuvo anti tamper affect is at all?

[tacit raft]

Oh wait, I thought the game was out
Not for the next 14h

[blazing ledge]

i don't think denuvo interferes with renodx (it was with Stellar Blade with UE Generic mod)

[faint bobcat]

Just wondering if it might block us somehow

What exactly does anti tamper block?

Just reverse engineering?

Because if I can't hook Nsight then rip

My sides are in orbit

[foggy cove]

I wouldn't be too suprised if there was lod config settings

[faint bobcat]

The game is very conservative with VRAM

So draw distance and textures got nuked

[foggy cove]

but digital foundry and hub say that draw distance is the best part of the game

they wouldn't lie would they

i wonder how cpu intensive the game is

[faint bobcat]

Christ they really did nerf this game to account for the eternal 8GB VRAM

Pearl Abyss motto

Maximum close up detail

Abysmal visuals in motion and mid to far distance

[foggy cove]

i wonder if the 5070ti faster vram is why it beats the 4080s

[foggy cove]

it's seemed the opposite to me

you only get 2 feet of max detail

[neon whale]

TBF alex of DF did say that the game had issue with close proximity pop ins

[faint bobcat]

Day0 patch will fix

[foggy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-sopranos-paulie-laughing-the-sopranos-tony-soprano-gif-23785315

[faint bobcat]

I just saw someone describe it as "Medieval Fantasy Just Cause"

accurate description

[neon whale]

one of my favourite youtubers. Bless him

that's harsh

and using RR requires lightining set to maximum....

[faint bobcat]

wtf is this

I saw from the hub review 5090 gets 100FPS

but now RR nukes perf

this is going to be fun to debug

Cant wait to RE their ray gen shader

and just set reasonable settings

[foggy cove]

praying we can turn the denoiser off and just use dlss 4.5

[worthy kernel]

4.5 will not be enough

it's not a traditional denoiser

only RR can do that job

[foggy cove]

never know till someone trys it

[worthy kernel]

people have tried it

it doesn't work

rtgi needs a dedicated denoiser

[foggy cove]

the game isn't even out

who tried it

[worthy kernel]

they tried in other games

in re9 the image completely breaks without rr in PT

even though you get Internet idiots saying 4.5 is a good denoiser because of DF's vid

where Alex only disabled the reflection denoiser

[foggy cove]

again never know till someone trys it

[foggy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drool-cat-drool-stupid-cat-stupid-gif-16115568451884306746

[worthy kernel]

be prepared to be disappointed then

because you'll just get a massively noisy image

[foggy cove]

i don't doubt you

but still never know till someone trys it

maybe there's a separate denoiser for reflections specifically or something too

[faint bobcat]

https://youtu.be/36RXJp1cjX8?si=XTLoUw8pBpTRYf9c&t=1757

time stamped, look at the very left edges of the screen

so they are using screenspaced shadows for grass

because those are definitely screenspaced artefacts

bruh the POM warping is

going to have to try my POM code improvements

[worthy kernel]

abysmal

[faint bobcat]

How do we tell em

[worthy kernel]

what a way to stop any discussion

"DON'T TALK TO ME IF YOU ARE NOT USEFUL"

[faint bobcat]

Adds in Cinematic / ultra maximum settings as a 'future proofing' option
Doesnt address any improvements to draw distance or pop in in said 'future proofing' settings

[plush parcel]

oh no

[worthy kernel]

ultra max still look terrible without vendor-exclusive tech that force you to buy the latest nvidia cards to run good with temporal smearing

[faint bobcat]

Cant wait for DLSS 5 to fix pop in

[neon whale]

I mean the guy was very clear from the start 😂

[flint moss]

Hey guys, noob here. Im just curious, will you develop renodx with RR in mind, or it doesnt matter?

[young sinew]

it doesnt matter, it doesnt change the tonemapping

[faint bobcat]

grading, tonemapping and HDR fixes will work regardless

graphical improvements I dunno

if RR spawns completel different shader permutations

or if the the different graphical settings spawn different shaders

I am not reworking shaders for every preset / graphical setting

[queen lotus]

XD

[worthy kernel]

only improve max settings 🔥

[faint bobcat]

RR taking up 8-10ms

peak experience

on a 5090 no less

cant wait to debug what fuckery is going on there

imagine trashformer v2 RR

17ms perf cost

nah something doesnt add up

I am watching vids with RR and the grass still looks flat

actual peak comedy

(pls someone leak their .pdb)

[worthy kernel]

they must have some horrific cursed setup

[fleet jacinth]

i might have more fun reading this channel than playing the game

[digital quest]

I experienced the same thing on Endfield

[thick zenith]

The reviews all seem to point to it being a single player MMO. Not sure that's for me

[faint bobcat]

wait until we start breaking down the engine

the malding will be UnrealTM

[tame vault]

Man I love the sweet, sweet smell of jank in the morning

[faint bobcat]

sub 120 on a 5090 even with DLSS Q and FG 2x is a BRUH moment

when running RR

[digital quest]

very well optimized tho forge dont forget

[faint bobcat]

ofc ofc

[fleet jacinth]

what other games besides cp has rr?

[faint bobcat]

below 8GB vram usage

very optimised

[fleet jacinth]

man i shouldnt abreviate cyberpunk lol

[faint bobcat]

[digital quest]

all path tracing ones do

doom, indiana jones, aw2

[fleet jacinth]

so like alan wake

oh ok

[faint bobcat]

al PT games, UE5 can force RR

[fleet jacinth]

do they all run like trash with it on?

[faint bobcat]

no

[digital quest]

No

There is something fishy here

[faint bobcat]

1.5-3ms difference

byberpunk runs better

[fleet jacinth]

oh thats not bad

[faint bobcat]

with RR

[digital quest]

I am guessing since their denoiser cannot cope, they are tracing more stuff maybe with RR? hence more cost

[faint bobcat]

The cost of RR here is 3x of every other game

so either RR is busted

or they are toggling further settings

which also means the whole 'RR is a gamechanger here, isnt because of just RR but whatever else they are doing'

the question is whether all the 'other things' they are doing alongside RR are good or not

or just cranking random settings that nuke perf

again

8-10ms difference between RR off/on

grass still looks flat

[digital quest]

Will this be your first time for trying to improve rt rendering?

[faint bobcat]

yeah

[digital quest]

oh boy

[faint bobcat]

if I can improve it

when the incompetent meets the inexperienced

[flint moss]

I remember the ultraplus mod for cyberpunk worked well, will you be attempting something similar?

[digital quest]

Ultraplus uses engine tweaks

forge will be working on shaders

[faint bobcat]

U+ due to the nature of UE has access to engine level cvars

they are able to change engine code

we dont have that

We can adjust shaders

add in and replace SRVs, RTVs

maybe do some addon side C++ code

engine level modifications require reverse engineering the engine code

this is why U+ is limited to UE

and well Cyberpunk

The point is, shaders are responsible for 'shading' and the graphics build up of how a game looks. Those are the things we can adjust using RenoDX

LODs / draw distance is not something you can change shader side. There are shaders that take LOD / draw distance info and shade it, however shaders themselves arent responsible for engine level CPU data

Maybe there's some shenanigans in the shader code which is why theres pop in

however thats a big X to doubt

This will be caused by engine side CPU code

[flint moss]

Ooh I see, ty for explaining! I know nothing about this stuff but its really interesting

[smoky brook]

so pop in mod will come sometime between months-never. more likely never?

the game would have to be popular enough to reverse engineer an entire engine? (which has some DRM)

[faint bobcat]

oof

fellas were expecting +90

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-laugh-laugh-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-crying-gif-14871471

[faint bobcat]

no idea

It might just be as simple as .cfg tweak

or maybe Pearl will include it themselves later in a patch

or maybe it blows up the whole engine which is why the pop in is what it is

[smoky brook]

maybe if DF complain enough they will listen given they seem to have a good relationship with them

[smoky brook]

ya that's a concern

[jade spruce]

they are.

[faint bobcat]

like

No no no no

no

I am pissing myself

just saw two vids where the grass randomly superpositions itself and has some black NaN artefact that randomly spawns in and out

[digital quest]

[faint bobcat]

where are the HDR vids

[fleet jacinth]

hdr doesnt exist outside of this server

[faint bobcat]

Max settings base denoiser / RR

rt off / rt on

[flint moss]

Rr looks way too dark

[vestal flicker]

Clrealy

[flint moss]

Oh wait thats rt not rr?

[vestal flicker]

But default denoiser is like no rt at all. Super flat.

[flint moss]

Yeah. A middle ground would be nice

[vestal flicker]

Agreed !

[faint bobcat]

max settings base denoiser / RR

Their randomly placed branches system is peak comedy

did they not filter out which areas they should and shouldnt apply to

some mansion manor

and thers just twigs around

@vivid iris SDR grading looks less cooked?

I still dont like how these night scenes look

grass and foliage in that first pic looks near neon green

[vestal flicker]

Yeah grass is cooked there... to my shame though, I do kinda like the rest of that image tbh.

I like the dreamy vibe

But glowing grass is too much

[faint bobcat]

base denoiser looks like plastic

[vestal flicker]

Storm trooper armor

Disney going to be all over their legal asses lol

[flint moss]

I can see myself obsessively toggling that rr on and off and not being able to decide lol

[faint bobcat]

The displacement mapping differences are also still present with RR

game uses lower intensity POM and displacement mapping with RR

[tame vault]

On. Fg x 3, latency out the bum

[faint bobcat]

yikes

"with DLSS MFG 4×, the frame pacing collapses"

3x it is then

Nvidiots will have worse frame pacing than AyyyyMD

[brazen venture]

what the hell happened here

[jade spruce]

Cooked Desert

and you all have no idea

[digital quest]

Console plebs thinking they are playing with "rtgi" and "rt reflections" pepeSlop

[faint bobcat]

BDO LODs are back

[vivid iris]

I’m confused what you mean, we’ve only seen SDR

[faint bobcat]

thats what I mean

the grading here looks less cooked

compared to the other vids from Pearl

and this is images taken from the game

directly

[vivid iris]

Ah

The footage we’ve seen has looked like a mixed bag grading wise

[faint bobcat]

So depending on the ToD

RR just cooks foliage

its either giga flat

[vivid iris]

We’ll see I guess. There’s only so much we can even do about it. If it’s baked into grading LUTs we can reverse the luma adjustment, and if it’s just aggressive tone curves we can play with that, but if it’s just bad exposure or something we’re kinda fucked unless it’s consistent

[faint bobcat]

or giga crushed

[faint bobcat]

not doing allat

remove LUTs, remove their auto exposure, nuke their shit ass contrast boosted curves

simepl azz

[jade spruce]

fuck yeah, feeling right at home

you already have access to the game forge?

[faint bobcat]

in my head

[jade spruce]

oh, I see you're just looking at coverage

[jade spruce]

[brazen venture]

the screenshots were reconstructed from memory

[faint bobcat]

https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/crimson-desert-benchmark-test.96430/seite-6

[faint bobcat]

I have early access to DLSS 5

[faint bobcat]

meanwhile

[brazen venture]

fsr3 grass, finally

[jade spruce]

oh lord have mercy on my soul

[faint bobcat]

its either 5000% gamma boosted grass and foliage

or zero shadows and AO grass and foliage

shit sun casting

pretty sure every RT game uses only sun lighting for shadow casting

but then Crimson just said nahhhh

inb4 I view their shadow RTV and grass is just missing from the gbooofer

[worldly frost]

https://youtu.be/9ig5PT5yDDk?si=-omq67WgahvJahDp

[fleet jacinth]

is that in game????

thats a real picture? holy fuck

[faint bobcat]

Hence my comment on BDO lods are back

BDO has the same dog turd LODs

Witcher 3 had the same

over a decade ago

This is what happens when you dont adopt mesh shaders

[modest hatch]

8 hours 🙏

[jade spruce]

isn't that a given by now?

[faint bobcat]

maybe

but I sometimes see shadow blob on the grass

so it might just be instead of them doing an actual blade for grass

they just added some small diffused blob

why else would you skip shadows on grass

unless their denoiser is soo unbelievable bad that it nuked shadows

but then just use screenspaced shadows

which they are definetly using

that review vid had screenspace artefacts on the edge of the screen as he was moving across the grass

Then again, The Beast just skipped grass in the shadow RTV becasue ?????

and Miru added it back in with no downside

[jade spruce]

low res SSAO

xD

watching the HUB video and holy cursed

[faint bobcat]

cooked

Vanilla is unusable

[jade spruce]

wtf

they did the sharpening thing again

just like BDO

overcooked shitty sharpening forced

[faint bobcat]

If the game also has the forced sharpening again

then nice

upscaling is getting cooked again

[jade spruce]

yeah toggling RR adds whole new shadows

player character literally doesn't cast shadows from some interior lights

unless using RR

[brazen venture]

finally

rr reducing performance by 3 times

[jade spruce]

lmao, rain gets nuked

[faint bobcat]

need to tweak shaders to support RR

devs dont do that

[worldly frost]

Game is as intensive as path traced cyberpunk with rr and lighting to max

[jade spruce]

they add a whole new level of RT quality but can't be bothered to account other shaders for RR

peak meme PA move

[faint bobcat]

Well you see

[jade spruce]

broken sampling with upscaling

[faint bobcat]

good thing I can fix this

[jade spruce]

good boy

shadow quality on lower settings is also insanely bad

fucking 64x64 shadowmap lol

[faint bobcat]

m9 even the max shadowmaps look like shit

shimmercity

various cascade fade in and out

[neon whale]

"RR deletes rain from the game" KEKW

[faint bobcat]

pink flames

yum

[fleet jacinth]

those arent flowers?

[low crane]

So max lightin setting is forced when enabling RR, which shaves off about 30+ fps. Noice. That means anyone without 5080/5090 cant enjot RR with nice IQ. Im not playing at sub 1080p, fuck that.

[flint moss]

Cries in 4070 ti super

[gleaming marlin]

@faint bobcat do the reviewers have the day 1 patch already or are these initial findings not taking that into consideration? Not that it will fix most of the things we care about in here.

[faint bobcat]

everything I've seen mentioned they already have patch

which arrived to them last friday

coping that day1 patch will magically fix LODs and draw distance is major cope

thats a Pearl Abyss staple

[fleet jacinth]

They simply forgot to increase it

Surely it's just a number somewhere

[faint bobcat]

[modest hatch]

As someone with a 5080 we play at cinematic settings with RR at only 55 fps with DLSS performance lol.

You gotta add FG to reach plus 60 fps

I’ll try this game first at ultra settings without RR

Then I’ll play a bit with RR, cinematic settings and DLSS/FG to find what suits me best

[lilac urchin]

whats happening with RR?

[flint moss]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-od-copium-overdose-overdose-twitch-gif-9006779378751968406

Surely the nvidia driver will fix rr performance

[worldly frost]

What is there to fix?

Rr is just a lot more demanding than the default denoiser and it also forces max light quality which is 30% more intensive than cinematic

[worthy kernel]

[tame vault]

I just want better lods and less popin. I would even sacrifice RR for it on my 5090

[true dagger]

is there a huge visual difference between ultra and cinematic tho? is it rly worth the big perf cost?

[tame vault]

Oh and HDR that doesn't sear my eyes out

[true dagger]

ill try both ultra and cinematic on my 4090 but i can already predict ill prob play on ultra just to have it smooth prob, guess ill see what the fps will be like for me

[neon whale]

ultra and cinematic no. RR does make the game vastly different though

[worthy kernel]

"hdr is very good"

[true dagger]

yea i'll maybe settle on Ultra+RR

[tame vault]

"nearly as good as ori and Mario kart world"

[true dagger]

guess ill just see for myself

[neon whale]

RR automatically activates max lighting, that's like a 30% costs

you can't use RR without that

[true dagger]

ye i've read that, wouldnt mind lol

it looks way too flat without RR

the performance is just weird tho with RR, the cost, like already discussed above here earlier

[scenic adder]

It would probably be decently improved just by applying RR, even without forcing a higher quality setting

Ideally the two would just be separate settings, and you can choose to enable RR at whatever quality you're at

[neon whale]

I feel like even cinematic lighting with RR would be a huge improvements

it's just Maximum lighting that destroys performance

[neon whale]

yeah this^^^^

[faint bobcat]

lesss gooooo

Byberpunk pathtracing

for temu sw lumen

[tulip monolith]

Skip.

[worthy kernel]

the more I'm seeing from this game's visuals the worse it gets

[faint bobcat]

but brooo

its perfect for 8GB vram

and runs on a ps5

You see

you could have pathracing only games

that actually run good

and use the latest tech

[neon whale]

time to sell my pc and buy a ps5 so I don't have to think about this stuff and just play games monkaS

[faint bobcat]

I think you fellas are also forgetting

the game uses surfels for RT

shit is peak and bleak

[smoky brook]

i think its worth remembering making a game engine is hard

im personally happy a non UE game like this exists

i feel like they will never fix the LOD pop in but the blurry textures surely could be patched

[faint bobcat]

sw lumen with its SDFs is more accurate

They really when out of their way to pick the cheapest RT solution possible

broooo I wonder why there is soooo much noise

[worthy kernel]

performs like ue5sloppa
manages to look worse

so much for refactoring the engine every year for performance

[modest hatch]

We’ll see 🤷‍♂️ I don’t think there is in most cases, some clips looked different tho

[faint bobcat]

This is why CDPR dropped RedEgnine

shit was a disaster and a mess

Seems both games are quite close

dont stutter

have okish draw distance but still pop in

only CDPR had Nvidia

Pearl got temu AMD support

[worthy kernel]

kill AMD

[fleet jacinth]

7 years of optimizing

[clever spindle]

So sdr is per channel and hdr is not?

[fleet jacinth]

my brain has been rewired, when i read optimizing i instead see the word removing

[clever spindle]

Can we have a recap on how they do hdr?

[faint bobcat]

I havent seen any HDR footage

so I cant say

[fleet jacinth]

optimizing graphics = removing graphics

[faint bobcat]

only PS5 has HDR for BDO

and it appears ITM

their grading for BDO was disgusting

custom S curve

per channel baked into LUTs

contrast city

[clever spindle]

Talking about crismo deserto

[faint bobcat]

look at my BDO thread

[faint bobcat]

no idea until the game comes out

but its the same studio

[clever spindle]

Ah. Thought it was

[faint bobcat]

and similar trends have carried over

@clever spindle

shadows get nuked

highlights get nuked

their eye adaption

it also hue shifts

no not the tonemapper or the grading

the actual eye adaption itself hue shifts

[nova cargo]

lost all its aura

[faint bobcat]

soz

let add back in the giga shadow saturation

mod needs a rework anyways

but the game is shit

so I cba

[worn ibex]

Doesn’t CP also have that

[faint bobcat]

HANKKKK

dont abbreviate cyberpunk

cyberpunk has pathtracing

this game has temu surfel RT that manages to run about the same as cyberpunk's PT + RR mode

cyberpunk in dogtown with PT + RR + DLAA runs at about 25FPS on a 5090

[gilded plover]

PS3 version looking great!

[faint bobcat]

what PS3 games you playing?

[modest hatch]

The foliage is my main graphical complaint

Glad to see ppl criticising it

[gilded plover]

Crimson desert

[faint bobcat]

game is unplayable until fix

glorified shitpost simulator

[ocean onyx]

as if the game is ever going to be playable

[modest hatch]

If the grass on ultra is the same as cinematic , that’d be great IMO

Other than that ultra looks good

[ocean onyx]

https://x.com/sigfig/status/2034338313654735040?s=20

sigfig (@sigfig)

people misunderstand the icarus story. the problem was not that he flew too high. it's that the wings were made of beeswax, which offered very little resistance to heating. with modern materials he would have had no problems. we can fly as close to the sun as we want now

X · Mar 18, 2026, 6:37 PM

[faint bobcat]

https://www.nexusmods.com/games/crimsondesert

page already up

guess I should start prepping page

have to maximise the SEO

no one cares about HDR

so graphics must come first

oh wait

SDR support

I dont care about SDR so Jon can work on that

[frail wyvern]

https://event.pearlabyss.com/en-US/CrimsonDesert/Drops#section_storage

Crimson Desert Drops are live

[faint bobcat]

Did they drop draw distance fix?

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

https://youtu.be/rptH_ai8EnU?si=IeDfg46QPQLY--tT&t=41

@jade spruce

You seeing this

that time stamp is BRRRUTAL

this sampling is killing me

This game will have my work cut out for me

[jade spruce]

OPTIMIZED

LIKE NOBODY EVER COULD BEFORE

Nobody has ever seen a game this optimzed

Crimson desert is trememndously optimzied

bigly so

[digital quest]

Thats some endfield optimization

[faint bobcat]

ayyyy caramba

the fucking noise

wtf

the fireflies

[worn ibex]

LMAO

[worthy kernel]

oh my god

[digital quest]

Seems like it will be a hit to common gamers then

[ocean onyx]

"game marketed as intentionally being made to be slop releases and it is exactly the slop they told us they were making"

[worthy kernel]

content slop

[faint bobcat]

Endfield's DOF all over again

abysmal

its not just AyyyMD

[thick zenith]

A few youtubers said it takes like 8 hours to get going. Which is is a long time to commit to a game you're not sure you're even going to like anyway

[faint bobcat]

NVidiots all have the same problem

[worn ibex]

People saying it takes 8 hours to become good…

Bruh LMAO

[low crane]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-franco-the-interiew

[thick zenith]

Seems like a game for the Asian/MMO market

[golden scaffold]

This guy has been having a lot of bad takes recently, why are we still listening to him?

My expectation is this is BDO but focused on better SP experience. If you enjoyed BDO (including some of its quests and world building) you will love this. (Hopefully? BDO is already fine as is)

BDO had a lot to nice little details in the world, every npc and corner of town had some uniqueness to it. It was nothing alike content slop soulless copypasta you see in Ubislop games and literally copy-pasted towns in New World

So I'm expecting Crimson to up this to higher level, I don't trust Jason's words one bit

[neon whale]

Jack Baldino from Gameranx said that the first 8 hours were really dire and that he wasn't sure if eh wanted to continue playing it. After that the game became really good though and he was glad that it stucks with it

[golden scaffold]

I bet he would be defending Assassins creed in the same breath. He's an industry shill. Defend (western) developers, shitpost on eastern competition

[neon whale]

I mean 8 hour on a potential 150+ hour game are basically nothing

that's why I hate the 2 hours steam limit for refund. it should scale with game length

[golden scaffold]

2h it's gotta be enough. In fact many games lose the grip after few first hours (specially Ubislop)

[neon whale]

some games, specially JRPG have 2 hours of cutscenes at the start

can't really judge a game like that

[golden scaffold]

Or KCD2. You could get a completely false impression of KCD2 by just playing the scripted prologue which is just about 2h

In that case 2h is also not enough, but it sells the game more actually

[faint bobcat]

abysmal

terrible

cant wait to fix

slop on all fronts

[dire pilot]

As a veteran bad jrpg player and enjoyer, I'm ready

[faint bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus-breaking-bad-gif-25966954

[harsh oxide]

Sent too early, be patient

[golden scaffold]

I expect nothing but the best kind of JJ Abrams clipping bloom eyesear and black crush from Pearl Abyss

[faint bobcat]

alll around me are familiar faces

[harsh oxide]

Doubt it works but worth a shot, DLSS has a "something HDR" flag than can be forced with emoose's DLSS Tweaks. Maybe other method but I only know that one.
Well I guess RenoDX could do it with streamline's hooks or whatever.
Though the only case I had too because DLSS was after post-processing is Steelrising, and I don't remember game being clamped with flag disabled, highlights were just wavy, shimmering/ghosting in a quite unique way.

[faint bobcat]

Was this a HDR only issue?

[harsh oxide]

Yea.

[faint bobcat]

because here all the footage is SDR

and the game has it

sampling is just coooooooked in their shaders

I am going to have to PIX/nsight the whole damn game

[harsh oxide]

Aw I'm saying maybe it could help with DLSS clamping to SDR.

[faint bobcat]

then decomp every shader

[faint bobcat]

we talking about DS2?

Musa fixed that

left over debug code

[vivid iris]

Kinda highlights why review scores are dumb

[harsh oxide]

Oh lol am I in the wrong place. Woops

[faint bobcat]

no worries

[digital quest]

Bro is Zoro

[neon whale]

game officially releases in about 4 hours right?

enough time to get home, cook and shower

[faint bobcat]

IGN be like

open world but made by french =

open world but made by asians =

[neon whale]

I never liked an IGN reviews since forever ago. their scores are all over the place

[faint bobcat]

yh

[neon whale]

look at this garbage

and I'm a huge Dragon age fan

[digital quest]

Return to form

[neon whale]

vailguard i no where near a 9

[faint bobcat]

[digital quest]

frenzy

[faint bobcat]

Returned to form that one

[lapis smelt]

Some people were able to run the Xbox Store version few minutes ago

But seems it was patched

[faint bobcat]

game has unskippable cutscene + dialogue every time you retry the boss

cant tell if thats giga based (as it punishes shit players)

or bad

[low crane]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-franco-the-interiew

[faint bobcat]

inventory has been patched at least

so we habe more space

[golden scaffold]

Heh that was kinda a thing in stellar blade, it let you skip some but not all of it. It was surely a bit annoying and was wondering the same

[scenic adder]

I've not seen any reviews about the game, so I know nothing about the inventory, but a small inventory (especially if you can then expand later) isn't necessarily bad

Just depends on the game and whether it is purely annoying or leads to any kind of interesting choices and inventory management

[vivid iris]

Wait bad story and it’s unskippable? Oh no

[faint bobcat]

[low crane]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-franco-the-interiew

Seems like Texture Resolution is tied to the internal render resolution. Thats gotta be a bug. Hope its fixed with day one patch, Otherwise:

[worn ibex]

Well, Elden ring

[worn ibex]

Isn’t that fixed by LOD bias

[undone mica]

Bosses in Stellar blade are kinda easy tho

[vivid iris]

Sure it’s not just a lod bias issue? Cause this is normal behavior technically, just not how upscalers are supposed to work.

[golden scaffold]

The "human ones" are no joke tho, the other ones yeah I agree

And that's the ones that actually have forced dialogue on retry

[jade spruce]

Hahhahahhahhaah peak PA. when they released land of the morning light in BDO it also has loads of shit storytelling with unskippable cutscenes. We dubbed it the land of the unskippable cutscene.

[faint bobcat]

@vivid iris you up to date on reno fork?

want to make sure we have 1:1 setup

you can begin malding on grading

I will mald on rendering

will capture PIX and nsight

unless Denuvo cockblocks me

[jade spruce]

The great crimson maldening

[faint bobcat]

Crimsolding

[jade spruce]

Forge kind of crimson already tho

Crimolding

[vivid iris]

I’ll set up a branch and you can check it out and make PRs and shit

I can merge back to main for snapshots

[vivid iris]

But what if the HDR is actually good

[faint bobcat]

ok great

[jade spruce]

Cope of the year

[vivid iris]

I need this plot twist

[faint bobcat]

we can fix the other trillion problems

[vivid iris]

Is there any HDR footage at all?

[faint bobcat]

nada

havent found anything

no one cares about HDR

meme tech

[vivid iris]

YouTube still processing it probably

[neon whale]

https://x.com/i/status/2034401552727978006

Blaine Smith 🔜 Canada 🤣 (@GHBSmith)

This is the Crimson Desert map (nearly all of it lol)

Blue - Areas I've done 90+% of quests in
Orange - Areas I've started quests in
Red - Areas I've yet to explore

This is after 205 hours. Crimson Desert is one of the biggest games ever made, if not the biggest.

X · Mar 18, 2026, 10:48 PM

[vivid iris]

Shame that google dedicates an old Dell with a pentium4 plugged in in the corner of the office for processing all HDR footage for YouTube

[ocean onyx]

205 hours of pointless nothings

[faint bobcat]

its like Ass odyssey frfr

oh yh read RR paper

games can use transparency overlay or color before transparency

to stop rain getting deleted but Pearl I aint doing allat

[ocean onyx]

hdr is biologically untenable

[vivid iris]

The human eye is incapable of going “damn that’s bright”

[faint bobcat]

we can do a couple things to solve via shaders

1. post denoiser particles

2. particle shader alpha fix

3. add in transparency overlay buffer (giga brained and probbably too much work for this slop)

wait we have access to streamline API

though I have never messed with it

also devs might fix

though I doubt

[vivid iris]

Game seems like it’s coming in kinda hot so I actually do expect them to fix shit

[faint bobcat]

sooooo

we should even bother with reno

[vivid iris]

I doubt they mess with hdr

[faint bobcat]

As Pumbo says

wait 5 years

for final patch

[faint bobcat]

great thing about HDR

no one cares so we can mod in peace

[vivid iris]

And nah idc if I gotta do it over and over I wanna play it asap

Now when I’m done with the game RIP mod is canceled