Arknights + AK Endfield

[toxic mortar]

Can't launch endfield with DC. It works with zzz, but idek if i need it.

why 90?

"120fps being 60 fps buffered"
what does that mean btw? How does that work, what does it do?

[jovial tiger]

Gacha addicts are deranged people

[spiral imp]

Amen

[sturdy osprey]

Question is, did these people ever intended to play nte

We all. Know gacha is mainly aimed at straight lonely horny males

Except i rememeber some.top one was some men dating sim for women

[median robin]

Love & deepspace

One of the most degenerate ones out there and aimed towards women

[runic dove]

ironically they're leaving out a pretty massive chunk leaving out that audience, love and deepspace is consistently a top earner on mobile

[jovial tiger]

I doubt it. Most of them probably just look for the next new thing to hate and latch onto it

[toxic mortar]

Hell nah. They are the "modern audience" probably. 😄
Twitter likes to change games to fit an agenda, but they don't play games or when the game comes out they don't support it (or there are't enough of them to make a game profitable), so the game dies.

[toxic mortar]

is it an action rpg?

[median robin]

According to google yes

I'm not very familiar myself

[toxic mortar]

Oh, it is, tho it looks uninspiring. NTE combat at least looks like proper combat.

What I wanted to say is that combat + action rpgs are hetero male dominated and I guess they are the target audience, so not including the option to date guys isn't surprising. And I don't think LADS audience would hop on a game that targets a different demographic with the general gameplay. + those who would enjoy nte in general would probably not care if this option was missing.

[rustic echo]

NTE combat is generic genshin clone era combat. It's polished, but nothing special. People who like the familarity and 100000000hrs of muscle muscle memory and theory on the genshin swap mech, sure.

I'm fine with Endfield combat, it's a bit finicky and needs more polish, but at least they had the audacity of making their own.

And combat isn't the end all or be all. I personally hate Blue archive style combat, but I somehow stick with it.

[toxic mortar]

I like my zzz combat, it's a great hack n slash system that is more interaction and reaction based than rotation based.

endfield is nice as long as I don't need to focus on rotations too much. (So mostly outside of combat endgame. But combat endgame isn't even that important.)

I'm afraid of silver palace combat. I have a bad feeling about it but we will see.

[rustic echo]

i donno, i'm getting fatigued of more buttons more fun design. I personally like GBF relink combat a lot more. Good character properties over more button spamming tricks. But that's probably not gacha friendly, where you need a new character every month.

I think what Endfield is missing is AI workflow triggers, like the infamous FF12 system. The idea of character swapping exist in endfield...but 99% of people and the game doesn't do it and can even punish you for doing it.

they can also choose to use "Time slow" mechs to simulate more strategic swap mechs, but CN games do still be hard wired to "you must be genshin friendly" combat.

[fleet socket]

i dont agree with this

i think having relink's combat but without the multiple different skills is very doable for a gacha game

it wouldn't be more complex than what we have in 3d gachas already

but yes, relink's combat is very nice

[jovial tiger]

It did look a bit rough but so did NTE combat in previous showcases and they improved upon it a lot

It's nothing mind blowing but seems to be in a decent state now

Only gacha that I can think of the top of my head that has really unique combat is limbus company

Everything else is just a copy of a combat system that already proved successful

[wicked quest]

Endfield got forgotten... actually crying

[rustic echo]

I mean HDR still works.

but yes forge didn't have that much documentation on his cbuffer journey so, follow ups are hard for anyone to do an upkeep patch.

[dusky wave]

apologies

I started documenting newer addons

In case others in the future want to work on it

[wicked quest]

respect o7

[rustic echo]

it's your addon, no need to document something you're giving out to the public. Though it just sux it happens to be a live service game. As long as HDR still works, i don't think it breaks anyone's funn.

but 1.2....yaaa...Endfield is many things, but they have really talented art teams... the MSQ looks freaky amazing.

People posting their sloppy pictures of crimson desert on their fancy HDR OLEDs that look horrible after a passing glance...and Endfield just casually drops an amazing visual at 8x the fps and better art direction.

[wicked quest]

crimson desert contrast is actually wild... like, dark areas just turn into a void fr. can't see a thing.

do the devs not look at that and think it's weird?

[tawny swift]

Are there things that broke after the last update?

Just started using Reno in Endfield yesterday

[wicked quest]

hdr still works

[rustic echo]

list of things that works on the mod:
Reno HDR and color gradings
RCAS sharpening
(not sure about autoHDR video upscale)
Hide all UI (but not individuals)
Godray upgrade

My OLED monitor flex. Granted I also slabbed it with a lot of reshade fx to my taste~ Art direction is top teir for Endfield.

[serene bridge]

autohdr video is still working

[jovial tiger]

Yeah especially in wuling the art direction and the architecture and the enviroments are just chefs kiss

Gives me high hopes for the next are that will come after the wuling arc

Considering most NPC's and characters are mentioning La Fantoma that will be the next place we visit after wuling is my guess. And from the info we got so far it sounds like it will be gorgeous

"The Free City of La Fantoma is a coastal city affiliated with the Talos-II General Chamber of Commerce located within the Civilization Band on Talos-II. Characterized by its coastline and ocean views, La Fantoma is considered "the gem of the Civilization Band" and "the gilded city of Talos-II." The city serves as a major cultural and economic hub, hosting academic forums, music festivals including the Obsidian Festival and attracting corporate representatives, researchers, and tourists throughout Talos-II. "

[tidal finch]

Endfield looks beautiful.
Such a shame the game isn't up to par

[rustic echo]

Well that’s being a bit too harsh on it. It’s certainly way above average even if it was just an offline JRPG game. It just can’t seem to break its mould of being generic as possible in almost every area, likely marching orders to be another genshin.

[tidal finch]

I mean, the game isn't bad by any metric.
But it's just as generic as it can be as you said

[woeful raven]

Potential Game

[glacial kayak]

studio mountain contour was apparently made up of predominantly newcomers to the company so it's most likely that they just weren't sure what they were doing

[woeful raven]

[tidal finch]

Exactly

[rustic echo]

Well killing off spoiler spoiler, maybe their big red button to soft reboot it and maybe swap in some fresh talents, we’ll see

Certainly eye candy every patch is fine for now

FGO had one of those reckons early on where their all bow their heads to Nasu and made him lead of the writing and design after it’s meh start

[glacial kayak]

wouldn't wish that style of revolving door of writers on another game

[rustic echo]

well competition is stiff these days

but it's no secret like every other industry, where some big name veteran writer signs their names on the credits, and "hangs" around as an advisor role, and have a new unknown junior writer (and much cheaper) basically does the work. Sometimes it's fine and they make a name for themselves, other times they don't and panic sets in and they quickly begs the big bois to step in, with a hefty contract cost.

@dusky wave you going to HDR NTE for us, or we going to be begging marat on UE generic patches?

[fleet socket]

i believe forge said hes done with gacha games

[rustic echo]

PSTD haha

[woeful raven]

just do UE extended

there's no reason for a custom mod for now

if all you want is hdr

custom just means a custom branch if you wanted to do game specific stuff

like UI hide

etc

else there's no reason

[rustic echo]

cbt2 ue generic has some bugs, but probably solvable I guess if I actually put effort into finding the cause.

[woeful raven]

then why dont u do it this time

good practice

I'll kick back

https://tenor.com/view/im-here-opening-chair-cool-gif-13751765

[rustic echo]

I only do UE side things, don't know crap about HDR and shader language.

[stable lava]

ultra+ for NTE

[dusky wave]

I dunno

Midfield stopped all the momentum for me

[rustic echo]

I have never seen UE4SS work on live service. I am not sure it's possible to load it with a .dll loader chain. I'll take look into it if it's intereting

[dusky wave]

Plus always updating slop

HDR can be handled via UE extended

what me and laz are working on is a separate UE addon

for Reno

that handles only graphics

and works alongside HDR addon

[tawny swift]

That sounds nice

[dusky wave]

well the framework can be used for any game really

[rustic echo]

but unless NTE is super amazing (which I don't think it's quite that) laz likely won't touch it, so no ultra+ at least the full ultra+

UE4SS hooks are tricky when anticheat is involved

Also NTE cbt2 refuses my edits in RTQuality mode...so they may be using their own special sauce in the pipeline, which leaves just Reno shader edits.

[tawny swift]

Crimson desert RT special sauce incoming

Nah its probably going to be fine

[rustic echo]

pretty sure UE extended fork would iron out NTE as needed, it just has some funk I couldn't figure out why, cause i don't understand shaders. It'll be leagues easier then Endfield unity for sure.

[toxic mortar]

wuling city is peak

[toxic mortar]

IMO it's a full game that isn't meant to played every day like an average gacha. Permanent content is great. For free.

[glacial kayak]

yeah i mean no complaints about quantity of content are worth entertaining

the problem is the quality of said content

[runic dove]

idk the only real massive stinker ive went "yeah that was just bad" at was the intro to the game and gilberta story quest

[rustic echo]

in an effort to please everyone, they please no one, is the moral of the story. It takes above and beyond talent to get close to creating brilliance from generic, and they don't have that yet.

[median robin]

I'm just over here enjoying the game for what it is, not looking any deeper into it

[runic dove]

other than that, its a gacha that isn't meant to take 12 hours of time per week and i like that

[median robin]

Personally I feel they improve every patch

[runic dove]

wuwa dailies are absolute aids to do, meanwhile i can just hop into endfield to do exchange, level a character and weapon, then my dailies are complete lmao

takes not even five minutes

if anything, the longest time goes into booting the game itself

[rustic echo]

good thing about f2p game, you can pick it up now or later. bad thing about f2p game, competition is so stiff, there's always something better later.

[woeful raven]

unfortunately the free content is trash

LOL

[serene bridge]

you're not done until you spend all your sanity, depot runs, dijang and collectibles

[runic dove]

and maybe its just due to not having monthly in wuwa anymore, but they give absolutely piss all in terms of pulls anyway

[rustic echo]

that's harsh... i give it a B-. It's better then 80% of the non gacha games out there.

[woeful raven]

^

go into wuwa

plays two tacet discord nodes

spends all sanity

max rewards and daily BP

piss
fucking
easy

[runic dove]

i dont think ive touched depot runs since release tbh

[woeful raven]

then thats the problem with the game design

they come out with shit that no one wants to touch

[runic dove]

i just do not give enough of a shit for 80k

[woeful raven]

and the people who touch it don't like it either

wuwa doesn't waste your time with random shit like that

go in

play tacet node twice

collect all rewards

[rustic echo]

depot runs only matter if you want to max out your equipment. wuling city is cancer, i don't know why they did it, but I just don't.

[runic dove]

yeah instead you waste a month farming for one singular fuckin echo

LMFAO

[toxic mortar]

yeah, this is the thing

[woeful raven]

not really related

nice goalpost changing

we're talking about dailies

[runic dove]

the dailies in endfield are literally quicker

[glacial kayak]

just don't do the dailies

[woeful raven]

[rustic echo]

sorta, UI is annoying a-f. but yes wuwa is trash, genshin is trash, zzz..well let's not talk about dailies it can't even reach that level.

[median robin]

I think we can all agree that gacha games are in general trash

[rustic echo]

generally endfield is fun once you log in, but the motivation to log in is like......uuugh.

[toxic mortar]

maybe it isn't trash, it's just not for you. 😄 It's better to move on if you don't like the game.

[median robin]

What kinda trash you prefer is in the end personal preference

[woeful raven]

uh yeah?

i already moved on

lmao

[rustic echo]

like I said It's generally fun when I log in, the time passes, i just get this strange aversion to logging into endfield for some reason.

[woeful raven]

why do you think the mod is not updated

[toxic mortar]

that's what I'm saying 😄

but i don't think it's trash, i enjoyed it way too much for it to be trash 😄

[median robin]

1.2 story kinda slapped

At least visually

[woeful raven]

wow amazing you have a subjective opinion

[jovial tiger]

The writing and music was better too overall

[woeful raven]

i also have a subjective opinion

cuh ray zee

[jovial tiger]

Man genshin dailies used to be such cancer back when it first launched dunno if it got any better but that shit was soul draining

[rustic echo]

1.2 is Also a b-...it's on the level of a summer blockbuster. Great eye candy, lots of hype, but..not very memorable. They can't write something orginal if it killed them.

I mean writing wasn't bad, it just wasn't great

[woeful raven]

never got better

dropped during 5.0

[toxic mortar]

what i noticed is that hoyoslop rewired my brain and now i have no incentive to open up a game if there's no FOMO 😭
(binging a new game if different, but once the game loses momentum the desire to open it up disappears)

[woeful raven]

or something like that

[jovial tiger]

[median robin]

I don't really go to gacha games for original writing

[jovial tiger]

I lasted up until Sumeru and just got way burnt out at that point

[median robin]

I want the hype moments, which 1.2 delivered on

[glacial kayak]

originality doesn't exist

[woeful raven]

i mean

^

yea

just comes to execution

of said ideas

[rustic echo]

They could be better, it's just that as graphics go up, writing tends to go down....

[toxic mortar]

It still is.

[woeful raven]

this is why we stick to 2D

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[median robin]

Peak

[woeful raven]

Arknights OG HDR mod still works if you're using it via mumu

[glacial kayak]

i mean i just want stuff like Jessica learning to come to terms with her status as a nepobaby and question the role of the PMCs in the oppression of the lower classes

can't have shit in 3d

[rustic echo]

again not horrible, 1.2 is pure eye candy. would do it again, but no t-shirt.

[runic dove]

full dailies, a minute of this is just loading screens

[jovial tiger]

I mean tbh wuwa launch story was not really anything special either.
Especially after I found out how they censored and changed the story because Chinese degens complained that not everyone worships the MC in the story. But from what I saw wuwa story improved a ton and the graphics too

[median robin]

Wuwa story never ever hooked me, but I also never played the actual good parts lmao

Well shorekeeper was good, but I quit after that

[runic dove]

its fine, i like the set pieces though

[woeful raven]

3d sloppers will never experience this

[rustic echo]

certainly i would pay to pull for chubby dragon in Endfield then spend another hour in Crimson desert.

[woeful raven]

gets amazing

MC has actual characterization these days

[median robin]

So I've heard

[woeful raven]

and not a self insert tm

[median robin]

I just cannot bring myself to pick it up again

[runic dove]

also the wuwa music

jfc

[glacial kayak]

someone needs to revive lowlight

[fleet socket]

i remember when XIV started doing that and people complained lol

[runic dove]

inject that shit straight into my veins

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-my-kingdom-cum-cum-fridge-gif-22354569

[rustic echo]

Subjective, wuwa story still lame for me. writing is coherent now is all I can admit to, and maybe more edgy.

it still wants to write an essay

[runic dove]

but idk i havent played after mornye quest so

[woeful raven]

wuwa had 3.0

which is one of the worst shit

that almost made me quit

aemeath redeemed

slayed

[median robin]

Feels like I would get whiplash from wuwa

[runic dove]

i have been caught up with playing actual videogames instead of gacha

[woeful raven]

imagine this scene animated

fuck me

[runic dove]

i just play wuwa like, every 4-5 versions to play MSQ then dip again

[woeful raven]

kind of a shame i didn;'t get into the arknights anime

[glacial kayak]

those sankta twinks would go crazy hard in anime

[toxic mortar]

just read a book instead

[median robin]

How far did the anime even go? I watched like 3 episodes

[rustic echo]

that's why I have some hopes for NTE writing. It's still not amazing, in hotta fashion, but it's not doing any grand design they have to backstop and gaslight and reboot. It's just sitcom level goofy plots.

[woeful raven]

arknights is basically reading a book already

[glacial kayak]

anime ends at the end of chapter 8 and managed to include darkights memoir

[runic dove]

i wish arknights gameplay wasnt a snooze fest, because the story was actually pretty neat from the first chapter or so

[glacial kayak]

as an anime only it's probably whatever but i really enjoyed it as a hype moments and aura kind of adaptation

[woeful raven]

here's the thing

once it clicks

it isn't

[rustic echo]

I was honestly enjoying NTE story, but not for it's grand plot. just scoopy doo stuff.

[woeful raven]

the story 1-5 is kind of setup

mid even

post chapter 5 in arknights

it gets better

and better

and never dips in quality

[glacial kayak]

well

chapter 9

i hate dublinn

[woeful raven]

i mean

arknights low point post ch5

[runic dove]

arknights did so much better of an intro than endfield its almost comical

[woeful raven]

is like peak point of most 3d gacha

[glacial kayak]

true lmao

[glacial kayak]

what's funny is they basically just tried to redo it but removed all the stuff that worked for some reason

they were definitely trying to do chernobog 2.0 and then uhh.....yeah....

[rustic echo]

I think we can all blame genshin for it. Generic pleaser money is hard to refuse. As longs you offend no one, you get the tiktok and youtube crowd singing your praises every patch.

[woeful raven]

yea thats the thing its offensive because it borrows the arknights IP

and they basically made every mistake arknights had

and worse

[glacial kayak]

should have made popucom 2 instead

[serene bridge]

presentation has gotten better, but still waiting for the story hook in endfield

[median robin]

It'll come surely

[woeful raven]

people wouldn't go as harsh on this if it wasn't titled arknights

but oh well

[rustic echo]

well they climax-ed in 1.2, fandom already suspect a plot reboot.

[woeful raven]

if you wanna suck off the IP

then u have to deal with all of its expectations

[glacial kayak]

https://youtu.be/6pGxJoItBWc music doesn't even go as hard anymore

[runic dove]

i dont think i have noticed any of the ost in endfield

[median robin]

The ost slapped in 1.2

[runic dove]

besides character themes which arent ost

[median robin]

But before that, not much

[serene bridge]

1.2 had some decent tracks

[runic dove]

havent gotten around to 1.2 yet idk

i only now setup 1.1 factory line

[median robin]

Wuling in general has some bangers, but nowhere near OG arknights bangers

[serene bridge]

you gonna have to tear that all down for 1.2

[median robin]

I'm waiting for endfield contingency contract bangers

[rustic echo]

I don't have memorable OST of endfield, too heavy on the mixing.

They haven't gotta a chance to "peak"...which they should have, but can't seem to nail for the soundtrack to really go hard on.

[median robin]

I like the direction they've started taking the ost now, so I guess we'll see how it turns out

[runic dove]

i like the wuwa approach to it though

[rustic echo]

granted the eulogy to bull man, CN song was a bit touching

[woeful raven]

https://youtu.be/4MTjw3CSEw4

[median robin]

And if CC is executed well in endfield, then I'm fine with whatever

[woeful raven]

when ur just placing 2d jpegs in unity tower defense game and the music starts slapping

[runic dove]

save both vocal and super high production cutscenes for the quest climax

at least kuro actually knows intensity in their OST

[glacial kayak]

i would say the sui events have probably the weakest OSTs overall (not counting EP tracks) but endfield is only like barely getting to that bar even

[runic dove]

unlike a certain winner of best OST for 2025

ive only gotten like 4hr into e33 but why the fuck is everything super high emphasis orchestral

[woeful raven]

i'd agree to a certain extent only sui ost i like is dusk event

[glacial kayak]

[rustic echo]

they're frenchies, they like to over do everything.

[runic dove]

objectively its good, yeah, but it doesnt tie in with anything, theres no impact. when everything's super over the top orchestral with tons of impact, nothing is.

[glacial kayak]

https://youtu.be/MxZunU4q9Tw i really like the lobby theme for here a people sows

[runic dove]

and so its good when you listen to the ost in a bubble

but when you realize "wait, there's a game attached to this" it falls apart

[woeful raven]

yeah this one was nice but as far as lobby theme goes it isn't a favorite

[glacial kayak]

oh yeah not even close

[woeful raven]

its a hit or miss

some tracks are clearly a video game track/ timed around for a video game

voyaging star's farewell (the aemeath track)

and the 2.7 ending track

doesnt make sense or hit as hard

if you listen to them separately

they're meant to go with the cutscene

[runic dove]

imo there's nothing wrong with that, they should be viewed within the context of the game if you're going to be looking at it as a videogame soundtrack

[woeful raven]

sure its fine when paired with the game

but certain;y not any track i'd listen to in isolation

there are tracks that are both good while also working in context

like ode to the nameless

[glacial kayak]

https://youtu.be/WC1GsQOVzz0 shoutouts to this guy

[runic dove]

https://youtu.be/6y6DBfP8cPM?si=KFnpRIiElyyvx08X&t=308

and sure, i've barely touched e33, but even with its massively over the top soundtrack, i still dont find myself listening to it outside of the game

ties back to impact, nothing makes an actual impression because everything's simply that over the top orchestral and so it's just the game's normal and you don't actually notice any of the tracks

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-head-phones-music-jam-gif-5326442

[rustic echo]

oorr...hear me out...outsource:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ho_C7v9B8c

[woeful raven]

also forgot this ambient bang

https://youtu.be/u2ukBIruTYU

[fleet socket]

i quite enjoyed the soundtrack for rossi's storyline in endfield

first time the music stood out for me in the game

[runic dove]

actually such a good one

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-salieri-antonio-salieri-amadeus-salieri-gif-12095716088864804173

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-salieri-antonio-salieri-amadeus-salieri-gif-12095716088864804173

[cedar musk]

UI not really hiding 🥲

[covert jetty]

There is a build floating around in here that apparently fixes that

[serene bridge]

pretty sure I fixed that in my build, not pinned though since I'm not a real modder

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-leek-gif-25666292

She's playable character now?

[serene bridge]

ya she's playable now

https://vxtwitter.com/endminguy/status/2046127854161977799

JinLong2 (@endminguy)

Zhuang Fangyi but in her short skirt 😶‍🌫️

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[dusky wave]

too bad I dont play anymore

[dusky wave]

Kotorin now has honourary modder status

[serene bridge]

nah i don't deserve it. my build was literally "grok copy forge's homework, make no mistakes"

[woeful raven]

we all started somewhere

[cedar musk]

i saw it, yeah its fixed

my only problem it weird be the weird lights, like they look too saturated. i guess this looks correct with HDR

[cedar musk]

just do lil log ins to get the free monthly (?

[serene bridge]

oh yeah I only checked hdr, wouldn't be surprised if something broke in sdr

although I only touched UI shaders

don't understand enough of the stuff to know for sure tho

[cedar musk]

is it hard to disable HDR things? I only care about the UI, the game look really good but don't have hide UI 🥲

time to use chatgpt to learn i guess

[serene bridge]

if you only need UI hiding could prob just run 3dmigoto

https://gamebanana.com/mods/657915

[cedar musk]

heard ppl saying there's a performance hit by using that

[serene bridge]

yeah there is a bit of a cost to that

mainly cpu

[cedar musk]

at least endfield is not that heavy with cpu

[cedar musk]

I hope i don't get banned

[serene bridge]

highly unlikely and haven't seen any reports of bans for these things

[cedar musk]

i mean im using the 3dmogoto + reshade (dc) + optiscaler

the performance hit doesn't seem much

I wish i could replay the main quest, so many screenshots i could have taken

[covert jetty]

Shame Microsoft is blocking new RenoDX devs https://www.theregister.com/2026/04/20/microsofts_github_grounds_copilot_account/

[rustic echo]

well good thing about f2p, you can get back anytime as tourist. But TBF, unless you're feeling a popcorn big budget flick, you're not missing much. Though the eye candy is indeed amazing...as of this "climax".

[tight wharf]

d3d12.dll method isn't working for me

[twin haven]

let the game marinate for a year/2/3

[sturdy osprey]

You mean overcook

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/or-something-like-that-cameo-im-not-sure-hesitant-uncertain-gif-19249921

[tight wharf]

@rustic echo what's this DC method to get renodx and reshade working?

[rustic echo]

ehh you probably don't need to use DC proxy anymore, since the patch looks like they made Endfield DC compatible

you can just load DC as another .addon64 i think

[tight wharf]

i can't get reshade to load

[rustic echo]

in which case rename zzzdisplaycommander.addon64 to D3D12.dll and reshade to reshade64.dll

that'll make DC load first and attempt to load reshade, which is usually not needed but makes reshade less dumb

there is also a https://github.com/pmnoxx/display-commander-installer
but he pmnox't made UI in the installer that configurable yet.

[tight wharf]

no matter what I do it just won't work

[tight wharf]

does anything else work other than d3d12.dll ? can i try a different one?

It doesn't create an ini file either

if i just try to load Reshade as d3d12.dll

i get a reshade.log

it looks like it's working but there is just no change in the game, no UI or anything

[rustic echo]

yes there's a whole list of .dl injector names, but it shouldn't matter in this case, unless you are using another loader like 3dmigoto or optiscalers, etc

[rustic echo]

what is not working? from the logs it loads? it is crashing/black screen, not loading stuff?

I suggest using this snapshot for now:
#1423918603035476041 message

[tight wharf]

reshade ui is not showing up, there is no indication of it working in game, but it launches with no issues

[rustic echo]

but removing zzzdccommander does load reshade and renodx correct?

[tight wharf]

according to the reshade.log yeah i suppose

[tight wharf]

that's the one i'm using

[rustic echo]

i think you may have some extra files around, but you should ask pmnox over at dc support with your log

[tight wharf]

i reinstalled entire game

[rustic echo]

I can see you have the new arknights Endfield folder instead of the old Endfield folder

[tight wharf]

not sure what that is

do you know if specialK works in endfield?

[rustic echo]

It doesn't work on straight injection, you may need to rename it's injected to d3d12.dll and setup special-K's own reshade proxy

try older version of DC:
#1484495867586281493 message

that didn't make the swapchain changes

but not sure, unless you got random dxgi.dll or other around which you shouldn't

[tight wharf]

i don't even need DC i just want renodx working

[rustic echo]

then you don't need DC

endfield supposely fixed reshade

well patch

[tight wharf]

yeah no matter what I do reshade just won't

render the UI or anything

i tried different versions of reshade

i guess i'll try an older one

[rustic echo]

1: you do not have dxgi.dll
2: reshde64.dll renamed to d3d12.dll
3: endfield renodx.addon64 in the same game folder.
4: enfield set to dx11

[tight wharf]

yes

[rustic echo]

endfield set to dx11

[tight wharf]

yep

i SWEAR it's not user error

i have it working in other games

[rustic echo]

delete your reshade.ini

maybe it's not writing the swap chains

[tight wharf]

it never actually creates a reshade.ini

[rustic echo]

to the file

well...that's your problem (i believe ) if reshade never gets to reshade.ini

remove d3d12.dll and all reshade files.

remoe dxgi.ll if it exist

remove reshade64.dll if it exist

download reshade6.7.3 with add-on support

remove endfield renodx.addon64

download a fresh reshade 6.7.3 with addon support

install the fresh reshade installer with adon support into the endfield.exe folder. in DX12/11 mode

[tight wharf]

i did all of that already

i did a fresh install of the entire game

as well

[rustic echo]

just run endfield without renodx

[tight wharf]

yep tried it...

[rustic echo]

so it's reshade and not renodx?

[tight wharf]

wait

are you serious

[rustic echo]

we need to know reshade works?

[tight wharf]

i just disabled NVAPI

and it works now

?

[rustic echo]

NVAPI will mess with swapchains, but i don't remember it being a problem? you linux?

[tight wharf]

reshade works after disabling NVAPI

yes i never had this problem before with reshade

i literally have reshade + renodx working with other games

with NVAPI just fine

[rustic echo]

mm endfield is on it's edgy teen years in breaking everything

I don't know why you have an issue with nvapi

[tight wharf]

maybe it's this...

nvidia just updated

[rustic echo]

um dx11 does not support FG

[tight wharf]

yeah but it's not just FG

[rustic echo]

and I ran it with updated dlls just fine

but i am on windows, so..

[tight wharf]

they updated streamline and dlss

and i had forced the latest dlls

well i don't know, just a thought

i can't think of anything else

[rustic echo]

that's something i can test sadly.

[tight wharf]

why would NVAPI break reshade for me

it's very strange

i need another proton user to test

[rustic echo]

I beleive @ebon harness uses proton

[tight wharf]

there must be a way to fix this

i can't use normal TAA i'll die

[fleet socket]

im on linux but im not using reshade currently

what do you need me to test exactly

[rustic echo]

nub can't load reshade into endfield with nvidia drivers

[tight wharf]

if reshade works in endfield with dlss

[fleet socket]

oh im on amd so i cant test that

[tight wharf]

it only works for me if I do PROTON_DISABLE_NVAPI=1

[fleet socket]

optifine works fine fwiw

just to make sure, what proton version are you using?

[tight wharf]

i tried a few but

dw-proton 10.0-22

[fleet socket]

hmm

i suppose you could try dwproton -24 but i doubt its gonna change much

[tight wharf]

24 actually crashes my endfield launcher

i just mentioned it in the dw discord

.>

[fleet socket]

and i assume the proton log doesn't show anything useful?

[tight wharf]

i just tried disabling dlss and reflex instead of just PROTON_DISABLE_NVAPI=1

no luck, reshade only renders the interface if i fully disable it

[tight wharf]

let me see

[fleet socket]

how are you injecting reshade?

[tight wharf]

d3d12.dll

i also tried loading reshade with DC

[fleet socket]

u could try injecting reshade with ultimate asi loader or something

[tight wharf]

lol haven't heard of that in a long time

i guess i'll try anything at this point 😓

doesn't work sadly

[woeful raven]

@glacial kayak my cortisol spiked doing this last minute

[glacial kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/lowcortisollevel-tayguan-tayanhguan-gif-18425416686466898059

I never got around to doing this lol

[woeful raven]

I hooked up with some guy over the official arknights server

And we basically did all of the maps in 3-4 hours

[glacial kayak]

I have too much performance anxiety for that

[arctic echo]

I only half-assed it. Didn't even get outfit. Account ruined.

The real account ruined is how I went and missed trim medal on the last old format CC

[wicked quest]

took an hdr shot of the collab space station in endfield, kinda sick

[ebon harness]

Linux yes. Proton Wayland+ hdr. Allow d3d12 and resahde + renodx

@rustic echo btw my win11 renodx endfield acts up again today. U experience anything?

Ofc with dc

Btw I see only nvidia have issue. Must be swapchain

[ebon harness]

Yeah dc now back with 10sec wait. I am going with swap in/out reshade.ini for now

[rustic echo]

there was another patch, but i've had no issues

[jovial tiger]

Well that's a unique collab

[glacial kayak]

The collab this Anni are insane lol

Fuckin domino's pizza

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alert-gem-alarm-soyjak-chud-chudjak-gif-11203970727135674189

[dusky wave]

Whoever thought up this collab

[balmy ember]

yo what was the trick with making reshade work for unity games like this one where you had to rename dlls and shit?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3255500/VedRecure/

Steam

Ved:Recure

On the 27th consecutive night of working overtime, you finally return to your empty room and, as usual, switch on your computer. Instinctively, you add a game that catches your eye to your library.

It’s your 1000th one.

Unlike when you were a teenager, your enthusiasm for games has faded, and there’s no one left to play with. You drift of…

Release Date

To be announced

similiar problem here, reshade just dont work

[woeful raven]

Bro is half of this even coming to global

[glacial kayak]

The out of game stuff usually doesn't

[fleet socket]

excited for yostar to never bring the pc client to global!

[stable lava]

google play games pc

[glacial kayak]

Astc texture format conversion artifacts

[glacial kayak]

https://boycuntx.com/Ripnoob_/status/2048419919922921630

Rip (ACT 1 EP 8 | AK Spoilers = Block) (@Ripnoob_)

Notice how the Doctor isn't here but the Endmin is?
︀︀
︀︀This is because Arknights > Arknights Endfield.

Quoting Evariste | Sinner 89 (@LCB_Revolution)
︀
??????
︀︀
︀︀// Trash vs Trash vs Goat vs Trash
︀︀
︀︀what kind of comparison is this???????

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boycuntx · Apr 26, 2026, 3:12 PM

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/salieri-mozart-gif-19031757

[stable lava]

notice how there's only the male endmin

[glacial kayak]

Male endmin is the only choice for the ardashir yaoi

https://x.com/ansan_zip/status/2045654189347328229?s=46

Ansan (@Ansan_zip)

忘れられない人
#ardaminA

X · Apr 19, 2026, 12:02 AM

[rustic echo]

Endfield 1.2 MSQ was eehh...better then average, but these 1.2 side quests are down right boring as heck. I don't know if they seriously had a writing budget crunch and let the interns chatgpt it, or CN gov nationalism making them write bland Didactic infomercials.

[stable lava]

zhuang yuri though

[glacial kayak]

Phony

[rustic echo]

I know it's not uncommon for the "CN" region to have ancestor and funeral plots, but dang, is it dry.

If anything she's borderland yandere vibes...There's something a little off with her, and the odd writing didn't help. the directing pretty good, and the budget must have been insane...but the writers, they need to be replaced asap...I think that's going to be my survey answer on every patch from now on.

[fleet socket]

i felt so bad playing as the penguin during the ardashir scenes in 1.2 ......

[glacial kayak]

https://x.com/ansan_zip/status/2045285518124949526?s=46

Ansan (@Ansan_zip)

come with me
#ardaminA

X · Apr 17, 2026, 11:37 PM

Disappointed you would tear them apart like that

[cedar musk]

I think the problem is that they made Wuling too perfect ngl

At least actual Wuling with Zhuang as a leader is kinda an Utopia

We know they won't treat infected bad, we know they care about progress but also about traditions, there's almost no conflict to be made

[meager igloo]

well yeah. the name comes from a familiar utopian tale

[cedar musk]

Back in Terra, Yan was far from utopia

I hope we get regions outside civilization band so there's actually more conflict

[sturdy osprey]

Genshin gameplay genshin story

[keen vigil]

I recently started playing AK, at level 50, Endfield is more of a full spirtual sucessor that uses the same terms. I like the tone of Arknights more.

[woeful raven]

Spiritual dissapointment

[keen vigil]

Since I lost every single 50/50 I agree

[dusky wave]

My teachers hearing my music

[glacial kayak]

i think it's hard for anyone who liked arknights to not feel at least moderately disappointed with endfield

tone not there, writing not there, gameplay is hyperpalatable stuff mostly. aesthetics are good at least but the format means they have to be wildly more inconsistent

[dusky wave]

Wehn Kibbles making game?

I'd imagine it would be 100/10

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-fly-wtfhedoin-gif-20135513

Me experiencing peak

Day0 built in Reno

[glacial kayak]

i gotta figure out how to make a phone call without having a panic attack first

[dusky wave]

introverts make best games

extroverts hype it up to shit and beyond

[glacial kayak]

the smaller hurdle is developing any relevant skill and acquiring funding

[fleet socket]

i've made peace with the fact that endfield is going with a different tone compare to AK

i definitely prefer AK's tone more, but oh well

i think wuling's writing's been pretty decent so far. 1.1 was a highlight for me

[fleet socket]

next region is very likely going to be under the TGCC. though fwiw the only quest we had so far about that faction was very critical of them so who knows what they'll do

[fleet socket]

kinda funny how the stockade is basically what the landbreakers should've been instead of just being borderlands psychos

[glacial kayak]

Hopefully writing about the successor of the kgcc gets the writers into a kazimierz event chain groove

But I feel like that's really getting my hopes up...

[covert jetty]

Is there a way to experience the OG's story without having to do TD? I'm allergic

[glacial kayak]

https://akgcc.github.io/ story reader is on this site

Has all story content, events and operator records currently in global

Has music and sound effects too

Perks of being VN format

Also has the story content from character modules (basically their major upgrades) and the roguelike mode

The first season of the anime is not a bad way to get started

But seasons 2 and 3 are kind of hype moments and aura that I'm not sure works if you aren't already a fan

[covert jetty]

Nice thanks, I had heard about this

I think being Endfield-only and seeing lots of tweets of comparisons and art has me with FOMO

[cedar musk]

hot take, but i like anime arknights, all seasons

some arcs were rushed but still

[glacial kayak]

i loved it

but i also can't really judge it in a way that would be useful for anyone who isn't already into arknights

[ebon harness]

Wow on my Linux side completely dead now renodx @rustic echo

Wcyd lol

[rustic echo]

nvidia dead?

or swapchain?

[ebon harness]

100% swapchain in linux. Now when i not focus on the widnow it will go tho

[ebon harness]

BTW do u ahve a renodx-endfield.addon64 handy

[rustic echo]

i know the swapchain bug for DC came back, and I had to use delay=1s

but that's for DC

[ebon harness]

Same

so for linux, now when i am not focusing on window with reshade it will go tho

but with it just freeze

god damn it every update it is something

[rustic echo]

is it nv like the other user said

and nv drivers poop it?

[ebon harness]

appranrtly, endfield did a rollback for that to fix something then it came back this patch

no i am on 9070xt

which was perfect af

[rustic echo]

oh.

[ebon harness]

opticalr + reshade setup. Just reshade problems

[rustic echo]

I know the patch did some stuff, but other the me going back to dc and added 1s, that's it for me

[ebon harness]

yeah i dont think dc can be dc+opti+reshade

or maybe it can

but i dont know

btw where can i find latest renodx addon for this

cant locate it

[rustic echo]

eeehh we havent changed it

[ebon harness]

god dont think related to renodx

i think just freaking swapchain itself

[civic wave]

@ebon harness
The latest version is in the message I'm replying to. It's based on the 1.0 one but with fixes for version 1.2 (UID hiding and shortcut to hide the UI) added by Kotorin

[unborn hare]

for me latest pinned version do not hide UID and latency

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-awesome-gif-24299272

[unborn hare]

Updated for 1.2.4
UID and latency hiding works again (responsible shader changed crc)
Other stuff still no bueno because I cant code

[twin haven]

truly slop ✋🗿🤚

[unborn hare]

forge pls fix gaem

[stable lava]

he's too busy fixing korean sloprim

[unborn hare]

spiwar pls fix gaem

[twin haven]

we have wuwano for wuwa, next we might have AKano

[fleet socket]

shouldnt forge slop be fixed by just correcting the shader hashes too? though i suppose the new areas would be borked still

[unborn hare]

There is some .asm and deferred rendering sloppery in addon, i have no clue what to do with these

[woeful raven]

That will require either me or forge to reinstall

The only thing im updating here is arknights classic

Not arknights derivative

[dusky wave]

I can fix hlsl now

So I don't need ASM slop anymore

[stable lava]

forge shall

[dusky wave]

Shall???

[stable lava]

will

must

[dusky wave]

I am filling out a whole ass report to Pearl Abyss

So they fix their slop

[stable lava]

send the report then drop the game
and hop back on the factory

[unborn hare]

Doing gods work

[dusky wave]

I couldn't be asked but someone send me their reporting page and it allows for GIFs, pngs and a bunch of other embeds

I will just drop fax

[unborn hare]

Couple jarvis gifs would do the trick

[woeful raven]

requires the game to be actually good

[unborn hare]

The game is not bad

[stable lava]

betta than korean sloprim

(low bar)

[woeful raven]

korean sloprim has more soul than this game

[unborn hare]

If i dump some shaders?

[stable lava]

asset flip = more soul
mechanics flip even

[woeful raven]

Its the fact that this game is slop that people dont want to work on it

It takes me 5 minutes to reinstall

Lol

[unborn hare]

70gb download? I dont believe you

[woeful raven]

Uninstall / reinstall is just proxy for "i dont want to work on this game"

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-squidward-mr-krabs-rock-gif-9714276628674837375

[woeful raven]

i lied

9 minutes

[tight wharf]

calling everything slop is vocabulary slop

[fleet socket]

"trash is better than garbage"

[unborn hare]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-trash-forky-toy-story-4-i'm-worthless-i'm-useless-gif-16382463490661360943

[median robin]

It's hilarious how much shit this game is getting

[woeful raven]

If u use the arknights IP you better live up to the legacy

[glacial kayak]

Yeah if it weren't an arknights title in the arknights universe I'd have just stopped thinking about it

[cedar musk]

I enjoy it

But I would be lying if I said i wasn't disappointed

[woeful raven]

For a game about automation

Theres a lot of manual time wasting

Especially the regression in the dijiang

Its basically base building

But worse

Your on field teammates are essentially useless

They're just there to add atmosphere

[cedar musk]

I guess they trying to have an amount of automation, but also want to players to keep playing and do things. Finding the right balance might be hard

But i still think they have the foundation for a better system

They just need to copy the damn mechanica from og Arknights to Endfield

I would love a bse building shit, with RA elements. Something like a second war begins and you have the build the Frontline to keep waves of enemies away

It would be combining automation, tower defense, base building

And is meaningful to the game world

And a good roguelike to use your units, like in IS

Will see if the CC from og Arknights to Endfield would do next patch. Which approach the devs will have if they will change it to make it different or keep it more closer to og game

[glacial kayak]

Yeah the RA format would probably be easily adapted to endfield

And probably work even better in endfield than in arknights

[cedar musk]

If only wasn't a damn mobile game. I guess that can limit the vision

I would hope that they are saving RA for when the story will focus on regions outside the Civilization Band. For those unknown areas

[rustic echo]

Endfield looks pretty and sounds pretty, but yea, I want to see more effort from this team...on having an actual soul

they are improving on all the rough areas but not the core area.

Talent or management issue i guess. either they don't have the talent to pursue trying to be a game for everyone, or management has to decide endfield can't just be another genshin that make middle of the road slop patches.

[tight wharf]

tangtangs quest had plenty of soul

[rustic echo]

if they had expanded on it maybe. otherwise they just flex a bit of intrigue, dumped some npcs we barely knew, then wrapped it up, so we can have our date. And just to stab a fork in on the death of that direction, only tang tang only made a solo cameo in 1.2

that's such typical genshin style story boarding, it's just dumb in hindsight...i don't know why we ever fell in love with genshin writing.

but anyway, endfield still worth it for how much they're willing to dump on Fangyi emo character wrap up story. Pure eye candy begining to end.

[tight wharf]

are you referring to genshin's recent writing because it's not similar at all

look where wuwa was in 1.0 and look at it now, give them time to cook

[rustic echo]

no it clearly follows the genshin story boarding formula. Genshin really brought this style of management into a popular formula. even the time like maps 1.1

heck the cast formla is almost copied

[tight wharf]

what you described is not how genshin currently does it's story

[rustic echo]

umm we litterally wrapped up the liue-darker in 1.2

and the city bands together with an over worked female government

grade that homework already

[tight wharf]

vague connections

that don't actually correlate to anything beyond said connections

[rustic echo]

well if you want to believe that, keep believing it, the story boarding keeps matching up

including how they wrap up and wrap out

genshin style is to focus high budget to on banner character, do main season writer big budget scenes, and then have seemly newbie writing inbetween them to pad out the ocntent

[tight wharf]

going from starter basic region to chinese region in a similar fashion doesn't mean they executed it in the same way or that other things are similar

nod-krai is also very different from how they told the story before

there are characters that have big moments outside of the banner period

and a long lasting cast

for many patches

[rustic echo]

ok so in 4yrs we'll get not-nod-krai endfield with Endmin without a mask costume

endfield has a big budget, but again, fairly souless because they have seem to have marching orders to produce...shall we say certain points of sucess.

[rustic echo]

hahahahhahahahaha. genshin storyboarding is the best way to describe ghosting your cast once their cycle closes.

they cameo up to say high, bai

[tight wharf]

let me guess, you don't actually play

[rustic echo]

i have a sub 1000 NA id

sure I get my really high budget summer story with my old friends

and the usual archon walk arounds

[tight wharf]

this is literally incorrect though

[rustic echo]

doesn't do anything, as genshin got their story board down to science

[tight wharf]

did you play nod-krai?

[rustic echo]

the fact you keep trying to push nod-krai because the writing is a tad bit better shows why genshin is a sucess

[tight wharf]

fontaine?

[rustic echo]

yes to everything

people like fontaine, but I clearly saw the 2 teir writing

sumeru is where they kinda over extended their welcome, as it was mostly a balanced

[tight wharf]

characters have relevence outside of their banner

more than all of the other big gachas

that's a fact

unless you stopped playing early

[rustic echo]

but they always to the same thing, they wall off their writing style and segments them into nice calculable peices.

[tight wharf]

it's still a gacha game

[rustic echo]

rrrriiiiight. Enjoy your summer with old friends.

before they just go back to the cameo zone

[tight wharf]

name a big gacha that does it better

i'll wait

[rustic echo]

most games before genshin and after genshin without the budget

[tight wharf]

you spend too much time on twitter

[rustic echo]

I hate to admit it but when pixels go up, writing tends to go down

thus arknight

[rustic echo]

rriiiight...

[tight wharf]

i'm all for criticizing where it matters but what your saying is verifiably not true

[rustic echo]

Back to endfield. once 1.3 goes around we'll see if they indeed go on maintenance mode, or change direction, now that they basically killed off 1.0 backend.

[tight wharf]

look at wanderer, they brought him back into the story

and it was not just a cameo

[rustic echo]

I mean they bring in danny every twins patch story

doesn't mean he dips

genshin segement forumla is mathimatically

even without the main story, you can see how their style seems to have a 2 teir system.

[tight wharf]

idk what you're even saying

[rustic echo]

almost like the main scenes are written by the lead, and the transition scenes are given to underwriters

Endfield doesn't have that feeling, but they also clearly seems to have a scene budget, where they have to hit "abc" in "xyz"pacing

[tight wharf]

1.0-1.2 was clearly developed a long time ago and they had specific goals in mind

[rustic echo]

ya copy homework

[tight wharf]

it's not reasonable to assume they will "do the genshin formula"

[cedar musk]

didn't they said that they changed the start of the story last moment

[rustic echo]

it's definitely different from arknights OG

[rustic echo]

yes, early betas were not like how we see it

they were set in pre-admin awakening etc ish

a lot more lore heavy

so the early endfield script scope was to push lore, then develop the endmin introduction in that lore.

this was changed likely to follow the other games, into msq, character story, npc story, side story format

so msq is move the plot, character story sells the lore, and npc story fills out the world.

[cedar musk]

But so far only a few characters have character stories

[rustic echo]

well 1.0 had more, but...they kinda tapped out early, flushing off the 5*s

[cedar musk]

Tangtang and Zhuang are part of the main one

Mi Fu probably will be the same

[tight wharf]

"copying homework" would be getting rid of character quests and just integrating the characters into the main story properly

like genshin, hsr, and wuwa

[rustic echo]

ya that was probably a shift after 1.1 since we had like 3 surveys being very specific on how they reflected on character stories

[tight wharf]

except wuwa still has the problem of dropping characters after their banner

[rustic echo]

it kept giving the option "so how interconnected do you want character stories".

[cedar musk]

Since 3.0 wasn't Lynae the only one ?

oh you meant the other way

[rustic echo]

I mean technically all they did was change the color from side story to msq. It's still segmented with a different story, with some post bridge relation to the msq

but tbf that's not something you can change overnight, production was in full swing

[cedar musk]

There's still a big difference between Tangtang and Rossi

stories

[tight wharf]

tangtang was actually in the wuling introduction before her banner and quest

[rustic echo]

cause V4 was left behind

as part of the forumla

they can't change their work overnight, so we'll see

those things take a while to change due to feedback

[cedar musk]

the feedback changes won't see it probably in 8-9months

[tight wharf]

i think 6 months is plenty

other games have shown they can change quickly

[cedar musk]

idk how endfield work tbh, from wuwa interview they take a 1 full year per character

[rustic echo]

na, gilberta was changed within a beta, though preproduction is easier

writers are/should be professional enough to be be creative when calls for it

[cedar musk]

Gilberta is probably the only character story that i didn't like

[tight wharf]

they just need to make endmin into a real character

and that already solves a lot

[cedar musk]

gonna take until Babel-like story for endfield to happen 🥀

[tight wharf]

i'm optimistic they can listen to feedback

[cedar musk]

Surely when they take off the mask

[cedar musk]

Female Endmin i feel like it has more character than Male Endmin

at least her vibes are more goofy

[rustic echo]

It's down to the talent of writers. Endfield's storyboarding and pacing demands certain criteria from the Endmin.

[cedar musk]

But I can't use her while doing the main story, doesn't feel right

[rustic echo]

And also a budget problem of these style of gaming, they can't really add casts that require animation/VA/selling profile

screen time for more character that are not being sold means less screen time for character they need to sell.

[tight wharf]

just make the story longer to compensate 👍

[cedar musk]

Stories should be as long as arknight story

just do a 8hour story

[rustic echo]

Different gachas have different idea on this, such as having alt-characters to keep rotating screentime, or not needing VA is always an ez out

Blue archive is probably the most sucessful in keeping their cast stable with the fandom

their take over of every comiket shows how well they micromanaged their character roster

[tight wharf]

i think the chances of endfield story being meaningfully better in the future is really high

[glacial kayak]

It's hard to imagine any of these modern gacha games going for anything like what they do with the doctor in babel

[tight wharf]

lets just pretend Valley IV doesn't exist

it's a very long tutorial zone basically

[glacial kayak]

Especially as the CN fanbases they're listening to seem to be increasingly against the main characters being anything other than a plank of wood to project onto

[cedar musk]

they have where to take it

The first war

we don't know much about it, and it could be a small story to do

How endmin was during the war

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/brushing-teeth-kowalski-resist-this-gif-25017825

Endmin glaze be like

[rustic echo]

eeeeh i mean wuling isn't that much better, but we got supposedly 2-4 more patches to try to smooth it over.

if they go the genshin "post festivity wrap up" direction, then wuling is kinda dead too

[cedar musk]

I want FSR4 for endfield

[rustic echo]

that's sadly part of our problem. Cause those surveys...clearly we want more interaction and "relations" to the endmin in their stories. They heard your feelings loud and clear. Monkey paw.

[glacial kayak]

I need them to hate endmin's guts

[cedar musk]

More characters like Shawna

whole quest about to beat up someone

[tight wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/perlica-arknights-endfield-arknights-unhappy-anime-gif-17134828648940611173

[rustic echo]

not really. You just need better talented writers. Like NTE has a character driven story instead of plot one, and the MC is fully fleshed and involved with every character, and there is intentional glazing, but it's done in well rounded way.

part of it is, 2 is a date, 3 is a crowd, and don't make the MC your plot

[tight wharf]

tangtang quest is mostly character driven

[rustic echo]

you just simply write it where the other characters aren't cloths on the MC's latest fashion trend

[cedar musk]

im sorry but NTE story feels like scrolling on tiktok

at least the first 1 hour

[rustic echo]

I love that kind of emotion

[cedar musk]

idk about the rest, i deleted the game

[rustic echo]

no mercy

[glacial kayak]

I don't hate myself enough to play nte

[rustic echo]

and that's fine, it's a game that knows what it wants to be, not a game that tries to be what everyone wants.

unlike endfield

[tight wharf]

yeah because everyone wants factory gaming

clearly not

[rustic echo]

according to the surveys...umm yes...they clearly want more factory in the story

blame your own responses as a community

[glacial kayak]

Basically every gacha since genshin's launch is pure lowest common denominator and nte only seems to be scraping that barrel further

[tight wharf]

the factory gameplay is not a mass market appeal

[cedar musk]

endfield on steam is not tracking the hours

[tight wharf]

they are aware it's more niche

[rustic echo]

at least NTE refused to parley that much. I love otter rage quits. It shows emotions instead of indifference

[tight wharf]

NTE MC being fully voiced is the best decision they made

[rustic echo]

but character writing style is different sure they are all friendly towards MC, but MC is never the "main" purpose. character focused should be the character

and the characters are allow to have their own friends in the scene

they're not an accessory to theMC

[tight wharf]

do you play zzz

[rustic echo]

for about 2 patches of zzz, i hate hoyo style, and zzz is the worse part of hoyo style

[tight wharf]

lol

you live in a fantasy world

brain rot from the internet

[rustic echo]

suuuuure

[tight wharf]

you just keep saying the opposite of the reality lol

[rustic echo]

sure

[tight wharf]

it's too hard to interface with your opinion

[rustic echo]

and that's fine?

I am old enough to separate vibes from discipline. There is subjectivity of how well it clicks, what type of story it wants to portray and what it's goals are, vs the discpline of how they structure it, how their story board and direct it, and the writing style and quality that story is trying to achieve

like 8th grade literature class made you do.

[tight wharf]

from my perspective you operate mostly off vibes

subjectivity is fine but we seem to disagree on some basic facts

[rustic echo]

Right, and if endfield 1.3 gets the twins quest version of genshin

You’ll say it’s totally absolutely not Genshin

Just like a water flooding in

Or maybe you’re just not as familiar with pre-genshin writing, where they surprised did not have the same formula for story boarding

[tight wharf]

i know there is similarities to early genshin but i do not agree that genshin still has the same formula and that endfield is copying 1:1

i also do not think endfield is catering to the the mass market in the same way

i think feedback from beta caused them to change some things for a broader appeal but they are still carving their own niche

[rustic echo]

except problem of a sanitized generic plot meant to appeal to the broad audience using generalized scene decision and generalize plot pacing. Which tbf, when you're dealing with large budgets in production, you will literally, have to ration your writing down to the word count...and guess at a sucessful process you can follow from another game.

Endfield decided on some very specific points they want to hit, we had an inkling of that in valley4, and it didn't really change in wuling, whether by lack of talent or budget (though they're simply putting more budget for all wrong areas that needs it now)

which brings us back to MC "glazing"

[tight wharf]

the sanitized plot is understandable for the launch

i think it will definitely not stay the same

it can't

for something so long running and high budget

once all the tourists leave and they have a core audience

they will have more freedom

and higher expectations

the players will want better story writing

and now they have income and feedback

to shape future content differently

[rustic echo]

I doubt we'll see it in the "china" region, because they chose it for a various reasons.

maybe in the EU region that's coming

[tight wharf]

after playing lots of gacha's

i know not to expect the launch story to be representative of the future

[rustic echo]

and given how doctile endfield is, i doubt there's a japan region anytime soon

[cedar musk]

even in og arknights japan region is kinda forgotten

[tight wharf]

i'm confident writing will be better after leaving wuling, but i'm enjoying the high budget cinema for now

[glacial kayak]

release higashi event after 6 years
immediately japan-china relations go in the dumpster

[woeful raven]

I enjoyed nte more than midfield

[rustic echo]

i'm surpised, considering you like wuwa story, which is like anti nte

[woeful raven]

I mean this is comparing it to midfield

Its not on the same level with wuwa

[tight wharf]

meimei hates wuwa so

[rustic echo]

well midfield has no soul....It's just hollywood summer eyecandy

[tight wharf]

how can you hate wuwa

saying wuwa is shit in 2026

how do you expect me to take you seriously :D?

[rustic echo]

your opinion, i'm fine with that

but what does that have to do with NTE?

I just said NTE is the opposite style of wuwa

[tight wharf]

you're surprised he enjoyed NTE more because "he likes wuwa story and that's anti-nte"

and you were glazing NTE and think wuwa is some genshin clone

[rustic echo]

yes NTE story is pretty much the opposite of wuwa

[rustic echo]

you like inserting words into things

I think NTE is a b- at most

[tight wharf]

the point is you don't have an accurate perspective lol

[rustic echo]

it's enjoyable to the extent it has soul, and knows what it wants to be

their writing is still overly wordly and ill timed, regardless of how much you like or DISLIKE the characters

[tight wharf]

the problem is you don't just state opinions you say things like they are fact

[rustic echo]

there you go inserting words again, sure

[glacial kayak]

subjectivity is implied

[rustic echo]

well i'm kinda done with this regardless, it is devolving into attk the poster not the post, internet maddness, bad vibes

[unborn hare]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-cat-shock-cat-itsnotmykla-cecesrhaccc1-gif-6015094870634057654

[tight wharf]

we weren't agreeing on basic facts earlier

that's what i was referencing

[tight wharf]

i apologize for that

it's just what feels like madness for me these days is how common it is for people to basically be living in different realities

different opinions is normal but now it's just the agreed upon facts are not the same

and then the slow acceptance of that's just how it is now and we have to let everyone live in their own bubbles

this was more a politics problem in the past but now its everything

[spiral imp]

nte has ton of charm ngl, mc actually having a voice and characters feeling like they have a mind of their own is pretty nice

[cedar musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867718398208245761/1441159170576482345/ADE22DA1B39190F49E08AF6DF40DE3A6.gif

[rustic echo]

NTE's style is clearly being true to animes it's inspired from. they make no excuses to hide it or even pretend it's orginal, and part of it's charm. The problem is that it takes a lot of skill and drafts to get it right, and they sometimes either miss their timing, or miss their setup to land those jokes.
Endfield for sure lands everything it shoots, they have killer directors and staffing there...it's just the jokes and scenes are meh.

[cedar musk]

im still surprised how much I disliked NTE story even thought i watched a SHIT TON of anime

[rustic echo]

And that's fine. maybe not for their bottom line though haha.

having emotions is better then being indifferent

[cedar musk]

idk, seen copies of scenes from different animes jumping from one to another felt the opposite of "having emotions", like they are trying to have a lot of style, but isn't a lot of substance.

[rustic echo]

valid critism, it is very derivative.

it grew on me, at least for the best laughs i had in a while. but I never for a second believe it's some work of art or close to it. the writing needs a few more drafts. But when the joke lands...it really lands.

I think that's pretty much the same thought across the playerbase though. Some people really fall in love, and other can't stop posting tagyedo.
Can't say the say the same with endfield...

Endfield plot talk is like...we don't talk about plot, or "so this lore is from OG arknights let's discuss"

[cedar musk]

I could talk about the quests and side quests, but not many people do them🥲

but i would say NTE is more easy to digest than endfield. having similarities with animes also help

[rustic echo]

I still can't wash my mouth enough on how unpalatable the 1.2 endfield side quests are. There is nothing wrong with them...just i've havne't seen such dry writing in a big budget game.

[cedar musk]

i said it before, wuling region is too perfect

in a sense that there's isn't much conflict

[rustic echo]

maybe the CN government leaned on them to have must have at least xyz level of moral representation, for the good of society.

I mean endfield always wanted to portray itself to be the "good side" of humanity, but their effort in putting that to screen is really low effort

[cedar musk]

the stockade ones are kinda funny

[gloomy tulip]

The biggest mistake of endfield is that it lends itself for a genshin competitor

I cant shake off the feeling I was still just playing genshin..

[cedar musk]

surely next region the good stuff will come out

probably will be the ursus one maybe

which i think its the UWST in endfield period

[rustic echo]

I don't know if it's ursus but maybe Siracusa

that would fit the next "hot gacha trend"

maybe then it can be brave like...

[median robin]

NTE somehow managed to make a more annoying mascot than Paimon

I couldn't even get past the prologue quest because of that guy, and the very unpolished feel from the gameplay itself. Reminded me of ToF in quite a few areas

[sturdy osprey]

Yea bro "its just 1.0 it will get better" surely bro

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[median robin]

What endfield?

It already has gotten better, but still has ways to go

[sturdy osprey]

It will never be what people expected

cuz they commited to this genshin shit ass gameplay

[median robin]

[jovial tiger]

People said the same about Wuwa at 1.0

And it got better

So logically speaking endfield will get better too

[cedar musk]

endfield 1.0 still is 20x times better than what wuwa 1.0 was tbh

wuwa 1.0 was a really low low quality game

with most players saying that the game needed at least 6 months of polish before released

[jovial tiger]

Yup Wuwa on launch was really really rough

And the story itself also was generally pretty bland and bad

Made me drop the game after I wrapped up 1.0

Endfield 1.0 really is miles better

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/oil-marinate-chicken-chicken-inasal-grilled-gif-19961987

basically let it marinate

[jovial tiger]

[cedar musk]

tbh performance wise the game was still shitty until 1.4

[jovial tiger]

Oh yeah the performance was awful

[cedar musk]

black shores being a small map helped ppl not complain about the performance. and it looked pretty

[jovial tiger]

It was really unoptimised and undercooked as a whole

Glad they managed to turn things around tho

[cedar musk]

I still held on since day1

when i had a r5 3600 with a rx580

barely scrapping 50fps 😭

[jovial tiger]

I had an RX 6700XT so I managed to push 60 but the stutters and frame drops and freezes and everything was Just awful

But I pushed through. Until the Lingyang side quest

Holy shit that was so bad

[fleet socket]

for better or worse, they seem to want endfield to have a more "hopeful" tone in general

but we have stuff like FFXIV Endwalker which had hope as its main theme and it was still plenty "dark" lol

[glacial kayak]

They do this in actual arknights as well

Pretty obvious endfield was defanged in this regard for palatability

[fleet socket]

i should check out the valley story pre-rewrite one of these days

i'm curious how it compares

i think the landbreakers are quite good from a worldbuilding standpoint (essentially people failed by Civilization who now resent them) but the game mishandled them so badly its kinda nuts

[fleet socket]

its honestly so weird

i quite liked the 1.1 storyline but its kinda funny that the conflict between stockaders and wuling was basically all over a misunderstanding/mistake because wuling isn't allowed to be even slightly morally reprehensible lol

at least the game has already dunked on the TGCC so i hope that the TGCC region isn't all just rainbows