Arknights + AK Endfield

[stuck sandal]

bro wants to build his own rtx remix in a cave with a box of scraps

[dusky wave]

Mine is better

Supports DX11 and DX12

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[stuck sandal]

lol

can't add pt to select dx9 games though

[dusky wave]

radiance cache is easier to implement

Dont have to mess with ray gen

but the game will be shipping with radiance cache I think

per the AMD blog

[woeful raven]

forge make this clanker friendly

[dusky wave]

bro

[woeful raven]

when i come back hiatus i want @grok to implement make no mistake

[dusky wave]

rendering.hlsl already has a trillion comments

every clanker should be able to read it

hell even humans can read it

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[sturdy osprey]

ur goated for this

[sturdy osprey]

i cant read sometimes

[dusky wave]

I have a pic for moments like these

GBR was a joker

funny dood

[sturdy osprey]

whos this green clanker

[dusky wave]

OG oblivion modders

he works on ORC

(Oblivion Reloaded Combined)

its a graphics enhancer

[sturdy osprey]

this gives hope that pt techniques have still long way to go

[stuck sandal]

yep

[sturdy osprey]

if some random person implements it better than nvidia

it means theres not enough engineering effort into real time pt

[dusky wave]

Theres probably half a dozen techniques sitting in some githoob or someones server

that could blow the hell out of any method out rn

case and point Reno + Luma and our tonemapping research

Stuff moves quickly

its just not everything picks up pace

or people are aware of

Probably some Chinese guy who has a better PT method that actually runs at 240FPS 4K on a his waifu Moore Threads GPU

[sturdy osprey]

i just want the era of baked light to end

get tf out with that terrible indirect light

[sturdy osprey]

reno hdr mods are lightyears ahead of pick random game which implemented hdr 😭

[dusky wave]

The Markov chain in general sounds interesting

I looked it up outside of for PT

[sturdy osprey]

im out of the loop

[dusky wave]

looks like any stochastic effect

[sturdy osprey]

what tonemapper do you use for endfield

[dusky wave]

rn its max channel Mewtwo (Shortfuse's custom tonemapper)

[stuck sandal]

markov chain gtao when?

[dusky wave]

yes

or ssr

or shadows

or fog

its a smorter way of doing stochastic

[stuck sandal]

I'd be very curious about ssr

[dusky wave]

We slot in the code for all those effects

and we just need a UAV

or texture

that holds the Markov

wait

Markov learned auto exposure

Avengers level threat to Pearl Abyss's dreadful usage of eye exposure

Temporal stuff

Markov DLSS

[stuck sandal]

markov chain taa

[dusky wave]

yep

thats one potential implementation for it

[woeful raven]

mentioning markov takes me back

to my ML classes

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[dusky wave]

bro just reinvented DLSS

[dusky wave]

When Shortfuse drops PsychoV we will move over to that

Solves all our issues so far

doesnt have drawbacks

[sturdy osprey]

[dusky wave]

doesnt blow out highlights at high brightness

[woeful raven]

aces

[dusky wave]

we do a bit of trolling

[woeful raven]

we do use aces though

[sturdy osprey]

is that why i had to crank highlight saturation

[woeful raven]

no that just means you like things cooked

😭

[sturdy osprey]

[woeful raven]

we use aces extended + boytoy for tonemapper

[sturdy osprey]

i like cooked fries

[woeful raven]

and mewtwo for displaymapping

[sturdy osprey]

in unreal the default hdr thing

looks too uniformly bright

its like uncanny valley of hdr for me, where it looks good but actually smt is wrong

[sturdy osprey]

holy sloppy the game looks like triple A slop now

[dusky wave]

What three randoms are able to achieve with Reno Dee Legs

[sturdy osprey]

its subtle changes but

game doesnt look flat anymore

[dusky wave]

Death by thousand raster slop cuts

[sturdy osprey]

now need pathtracing from research paper

and the game will become AAAA

Yakub

[dusky wave]

I need to begin my RT arc

I havent messed with RT shaders at all

I might get filter hard

[gloomy tulip]

If the game only got updated with RT reflections, I might RE it and add RTGI

[sturdy osprey]

it would be a meme if they kept rt only on shitfone

[rustic echo]

realistically speaking, they'll do the most CN thing ever. Do RT but only in the new region in 2.0

and locked 1.x in the old mode

forever broken. and making it a pain for anyone trying to mod as a whole

[gloomy tulip]

Isnt that just mihoyo's genshin

[rustic echo]

no, a lot of CN games do that

or if you're ToF, you add RT, only to remove it in a later region

funny stuff~

[gloomy tulip]

Wuwa doesnt do that tho

[rustic echo]

wuwa has UE, so they just smash things together and claims it works

[gloomy tulip]

I think that game set a new standard for these openworld gacha in china

[rustic echo]

to their credit, it looks quite nice to have a version gfx upgrade every so often

[woeful raven]

It does work

[rustic echo]

best effort, RT crashing with it's nth nvidia driver is like...eeehh

[woeful raven]

Crashing is also because the game is heavier

If you're unstable it will reveal that

Despite the memes rt in wuwa works in what it was set out to do

Being scalable enough to run on dogshit 6600xts and 3060s

The horrible perf tanking every patch has less to do with rt

And more to do with them raising the asset quality and density for every new region released

[rustic echo]

It looks nicer then generic UE, but I secretly toggled on RT cvars for throne and liberty, and it looks pretty amazing, and runs at great fps, so RT stablity and performance is in the eye of the beholder. It's all about what you're RTing on.

[sturdy osprey]

not amd

[rustic echo]

well that I can't comment on sadly

[sturdy osprey]

5080 shits so hard on 9070xt in a lot of rt titles that it makes seem like its worth its shitty msrp

[woeful raven]

I dont think u just read

[woeful raven]

^

Rt cost is relatively cheap for what it does in wuwa

Its also not what's tanking the perf

[rustic echo]

IDK about that, but again eye of the beholder, I personally go eh, i've seen it better with better performance.

[woeful raven]

You can test by yourself without rt in different regions

But sure whatever

[gloomy tulip]

Isn't it just due to nvidia optimized RT implementation

[sturdy osprey]

idk

[gloomy tulip]

In cyberpunk 2077, both matches performance

[rustic echo]

it's all going through DX12, so it's a driver thing?

[dusky wave]

lack of OOM and SER for AyyyMD

[gloomy tulip]

idk tbh, it depends on if the programmer uses full wavefront on amd for example

[gloomy tulip]

yeah thats why i wont ever buy amd gpu

[dusky wave]

It is supported now

thanks to SM 69 Dee eggs

just need to wait a trillion years for implementation

[rustic echo]

but SS RTGI on endfield...I'm curious what it can even do, like what hooks are there to even do it? probes?

[woeful raven]

supported but in a software sense

so devs don't have to write multiple paths

all RTX hardware
all RTX hardware
all RTX hardware
all RTX hardware

[dusky wave]

[woeful raven]

too forward looking

with DLSS dll

[dusky wave]

RadeonTM

[woeful raven]

and RTX 2000 feature support

[gloomy tulip]

Seems like 7000 series left in the gutter

[rustic echo]

consoles...

[gloomy tulip]

People might be able to write mesa driver impl?

[rustic echo]

rip steambox

[dusky wave]

Cant wait to Reno Dee Eggs Long Vectors into muh shaders

literal 'grok do X' moment

but shader side

[sturdy osprey]

"supports api but doesnt reorder''

[woeful raven]

thats what i mean for software support

[dusky wave]

Wait

[woeful raven]

cause yea its generally a good thing so just have SER running even if you can't gain a perf benefit from it

[dusky wave]

why da fuq is OOM blank

[woeful raven]

nvidia already does this

[sturdy osprey]

what is oom for

[woeful raven]

now MS just does it with dx

[sturdy osprey]

if gipiti isnt lying

[dusky wave]

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/omm/

[sturdy osprey]

thats huge

[woeful raven]

nvidia RT will also use SER on 20 and 30 series even though they dont benefit from it

[dusky wave]

It increases perf by a good margin

[sturdy osprey]

gotta wait for rdna5

the holy grail

[woeful raven]

udna

[dusky wave]

PS6 with special suace Mark Cerny GPU

SSD 2.0

[sturdy osprey]

ps6 will ship without memory and ssd

you will need to buy it on your own

KEKW

[rustic echo]

na, that's not the japanese way~ the japanese way is you get 64gb of total ram..for everything including storage. everything else will be streamed from the cloud or buy a 500usd SSD addon

[sturdy osprey]

yea i can see in alan wake 2

9070xt barely runs rt at full hd

[glacial kayak]

It's right in line with the Nvidia gpus stack where you would expect?

[sturdy osprey]

what does wilds even do with rt

[glacial kayak]

PT is tier below but that is known

[gloomy tulip]

fr?

[woeful raven]

Kibbles going in with the receipts

U just got fact checked in 8k buddy

[glacial kayak]

Rt high is pt

All rt settings above low in aw2 are pt

[sturdy osprey]

wtf

[woeful raven]

Also the base game is already using rt like techniques even if u dont turn rt on

[glacial kayak]

It's confusing preset naming

[woeful raven]

So its not really an issue if u cant run rt/pt in this game

[sturdy osprey]

how much is amd losing on not having cache radiance

[glacial kayak]

I don't know if we have the means to test that in a real game scenario

Would just be messing around in dev tools at this point I guess?

Think forge's upcoming trigger game is the first game using it

[woeful raven]

trigger game

are you not saying it

to avoid activating the agent

[glacial kayak]

Yes

Keep the sleeper agent asleep

[woeful raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVwcHmtQYN8

forge rn

[glacial kayak]

Fucking incredible lmao

[woeful raven]

can't wait for forge's meltdown when red sahara comes out

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-laugh-laugh-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-crying-gif-14871471

Scarlet Dune

Ruby Sand

[dusky wave]

We've crossed the 20K msg mark

[brittle abyss]

Please. I will beg if necessary.

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[sturdy osprey]

did you gets manage to get working framegen on amd via optiscaler

or does it need vulkan

[stuck sandal]

@dusky wave another thing to look out for is what a game uses for light falloff. not sure how common it is not to use inverse square in new games but that's something rage changed with dark souls lighting engine

[dusky wave]

I am learning RT basics rn

inb4 I fall down the 'Make your own engine in C++' pipeline

[stuck sandal]

lol

[dusky wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uumyjE6vfdk

LMAO

like how Ebic is acting as if Embark didnt giga customise their own UE5 fork

which doesnt use Lumen or Nanite

[sturdy osprey]

customize aka used nvidia branch

[scenic comet]

So they basically turned UE5 back into UE4, but with better tools or something?

[sturdy osprey]

Do people really think 99% of ue5 is nanite and lumen

[stable lava]

the other 1% is traversal stutters

[dusky wave]

Looks like Virtous isnt doing the FO3 FNV demasters

Iron Galaxy instead

[fleet socket]

lmao

[dusky wave]

This is why you only use RenoDX

Our malware just installs birus to brick RTX HDR

(we're doing you a favour)

[sturdy osprey]

Wut is endfieldrecords

[stable lava]

some pull tracker thing

[sturdy osprey]

Lol

The game has built in pull tracker

[safe swallow]

appreciate it

[stuck sandal]

siiiick
had the thought a while ago that if you use a displaymapper instead of UE filmic for a Fallout 3 Remaster you could rip out the grading directly from Fallout 3 and just reuse that. they'll probably slop something up though

[woeful raven]

pull tracker

or pull history

any game can provide pull history

the aggregate statistics that you get from using pull trackers is what people use pull trackers for

[serene bridge]

the site is offline now, but my friend actually got pwned by the malware

[dusky wave]

ripporoni

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-salieri-antonio-salieri-amadeus-salieri-gif-12095716088864804173

Back to Virous stutterfest

and dogshit IBL lighting

Lazorr explained why the lighting was as bricked as it was in that game

[stuck sandal]

was because of the dogshit local exposure

[dusky wave]

let me pull up receipts

[stuck sandal]

poked around with the devkit a while ago

what they did is they used the local exposure to compensate for the toe in ue filmic

instead of using a displaymapper

further proves my point that you shouldn't need local tonemapping / exposure if you know what your doing

[dusky wave]

notice how SW lumen has exactly the same specular 100% full blast issue for foliage

that I solved in Endfield now

All the trees just look like theyre covered in oil

@sturdy osprey

This is what I meant by Lords of the Fallen

The whole scene is just covered in full specular

[stuck sandal]

the reason why everything is black with local exposure turned off is because of the toe in ue filmic. looks normal if you disable both the local exposure and the tonemapping

[dusky wave]

abysmal

[stuck sandal]

could've just used a displaymapper which would've looked better and performed better

with local stuff you usually have to build out a historgram which is a waste

[dusky wave]

All of this sounds like cope when you could instead just use HDR

[stuck sandal]

yeah

oh and the brown look in the game is caused by the godrays lol

[dusky wave]

and they still use SSAO + SSR

[stuck sandal]

bruh

[dusky wave]

I hate this timeline

either do good raster

or good RT/PT

this midline is just cope

[stuck sandal]

you should fix it with all the rt research you're doing 🙏

[dusky wave]

Embark also uses rust-gpu for shader writing thats then compiled via SPIR-V

@stuck sandal TIL

Didnt even know Rust shaders existed

As for turning it into UE4... no

Since they still use other parts of UE5

its just that Emark

Instead of Lumen - uses DDGI

Instead of Nanite - uses traditional LODs afaik

Plus they have their own server side destruction simulator system for The Finals

Something something turns out UE5 is pretty good when you dont use lumen and nanite

Now Arc Raiders isnt some pinnacle of grafix, theres a bunch of non shadow casting light sources

no shadows for bunch of meshes

[rustic echo]

it depends on the UE...early UE5, did pretty much resemble UE4.2x and might as well be named UE4.5
Now later versions is a whole different ballpark, because they actively started to removed the old legacy paths...and you're basically screwed if you try to use UE4 things.

[rustic echo]

I believe Arc raiders is UE5.3...so it would make sense they are using the nv port...and at that point ya...they haven't gotten everything integrated yet. I think you see that in chrono too, where devs had to do a mesh of different tech to cover the field

[dusky wave]

DDGI causes a bunch of light leak in interiors

which can be solved via a bunch of methods

Ghost of Sushi used interior masks for well interiors

and it would tell the external probes to stop rendering

ZAMN

I need to use Nsight more often

[stuck sandal]

rust shaders? interesting

[sturdy osprey]

indirect light is inferior to lumen

in arc

it looks ok for online fps game

but for singleplayer meh imo

[dusky wave]

Plenty of UE sloppas with lumen that have disabled shadow casting light sources

[sturdy osprey]

im talking about non memed lumen

[dusky wave]

Doesnt exist

Only tech demos

[sturdy osprey]

by any chance are those games on 5.1

cuz vsm were catastrophically bad on 5.1

[dusky wave]

lets see

Stalker is 5.1 I think

[sturdy osprey]

yea checks out

go next

[dusky wave]

Lords of the fallen is 5.3?

Oblivion is 5.3 but lazorr fixed

[sturdy osprey]

they fixed most nonsense in ue 5.4-5.5

[dusky wave]

MGS Delta is 5.3 but Lazorr fixed

[sturdy osprey]

everything before that is beta

what is ''lazorr fixed"

[dusky wave]

Lazorr is a modders

Ultra+ project

[sturdy osprey]

oh that thing

and lumen irradiance cache is only for 5.8

lets see what happens when games update to 5.6

satisfactory is updating soon irrc

but they already had decently working lumen...

i didnt see any jarring issues besides noise in some corridors

[woeful raven]

When will we get "Forge fixed"

[sturdy osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932761153703149659/1476675800647340124/20260226212210_1.jpg?ex=69a93d42&is=69a7ebc2&hm=7294b77b148025ea730d5177eb6989b0698ae516885f1f329fde9b0263ccb650&

ue 5.6 satisfactory

[dusky wave]

Midfield

my career is just starting

give me some time

[sturdy osprey]

i want to see tang tang in 8k ultra pathtracing slop

[stable lava]

wasn't stalker2 updated to 5.5 recently

or is it still on the roadmap

[dusky wave]

hasnt happened

2026 H1

[stable lava]

[dusky wave]

they said

[dusky wave]

So I added IS-FAST

I was bugging out thinking I didnt bind texture correctly or messed up with the SRVs

finally got debug view working and the noise is working

it stops diagonal line stripping which vanilla SSR has since its using only IGN

I was coping it would solve wobble wobble

well duh

becasue I only replace IS-FAST for jitter

Does improve reflections and AO a bit

also cheaper than current methods so why not

[arctic echo]

Well, wasn't the main cause of the wobble the pixel-aligned sampling? Made worse by it being at half res. Though who knows if I at all understood what Miru was saying lol

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah tahts true

https://github.com/mlleemiles/renodx/blob/ec66c64e3eb73e431774386f6e4da27321fa7947/src/games/endfield/XeGTAO_TemporalAccumulation.comp.glsl#L262

I'm too lazy to add a new linear sampler to reduce the sample counts but that's the standard sampling for previous frame AO

[dusky wave]

I already included the better bilinear interpolation for both base GTAO and SSR a while back

GTAO is fine

but SSR is still wack

The MVs are heavily compressed

I'll try the 4x4 method above

[gloomy tulip]

SSR has one frame delay so

[dusky wave]

[fleet socket]

can't you set a higher SSR preset with the unlocker? would that help?

[dusky wave]

Unlocker couldnt get SSR working

some hardcoded issues that causes the game to CTD

This is in regards to res

higher sample count I am already doing

Ultra SSR preset also doesnt solve it

[strong vault]

[twin haven]

is DOF pixelation issue fixed yet?

[gloomy tulip]

Can’t check because everyone has exhausted existing content

[dusky wave]

lmao

yh all the quests are done so we cant check

[twin haven]

lmao

[scenic comet]

Is there a way to turn off/prevent/minimize DOF and other blur/smear effects?

[twin haven]

not that i know off, no one here talking about disabling DOF

[scenic comet]

ah, reading comprehension strikes me again)

[twin haven]

happens to all of us dw, i read shit before comprehending

[rustic echo]

I think forge tried to remove DOF early on, it didn't end well. A lot of shaders are interconnected

[dusky wave]

Which way grafix man?

https://elitesheep.blob.core.windows.net/publications/grestir-eg-2026/Gradient-ReSTIR-author.pdf

vs

https://www.lalber.org/2025/04/markov-chain-path-guiding/

both are better than current ReSTIR based path tracers

both are 'feasible' to implement assuming you know how to completely replace all RT/PT based shaders

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-laugh-laugh-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-crying-gif-14871471

[rustic echo]

sounds exhusting, or set it to multiply and see what happens

[woeful raven]

@grok you know what to do. make no mistakes

[dusky wave]

With the tools Izueh linked me

GhidraGPT

RE everthing now

green bean

BROOOOOO LOOK AT PERLICA'S FOREHEAD

[gloomy tulip]

Looks cool, could try this sampling method in dying light 2

[dusky wave]

paper is really promising

Someone added it to RTX Remix

runs faster than Restir and looks better

The gradient Restir its going to be Nbidia's new method going forward from what I understand

[gloomy tulip]

Although in DL2 its just simple RT that doesnt need long rays and multiple bounces

[sturdy osprey]

Hmmm optiscaler pre10 has some slopfield fixes

[woeful raven]

@dusky wave sometimes i wonder if people playing without reno are playing the same game

[sturdy osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-19

[keen pagoda]

Can you say your pc specs?

[delicate pewter]

did Reno update for the new reshade version?

[woeful raven]

5800x 4070ti super 32gb 3800mhz cl16

[keen pagoda]

Yup, my memory is shit then

I hope scam altman gets mogged

[gloomy tulip]

Didn’t you manage to run 3600 before

[keen pagoda]

I use two sets of same memory, but with different chips

Plus it's 4 sticks

trfc is 520 and it doesn't go below this, trefi is impossible to tackle at all

I can't even make lower trc

[sudden nest]

two sets of memory with different chips and its 4 sticks

youre cooked

[dusky wave]

go to Valley 4 and to any area with grass

Vanilla is sooo flat its unrealTM

You see specular light leak everywhere

Power Plateau is extra cooked with specular

[sturdy osprey]

Ps3 flatness

https://tenor.com/view/hellboy-the-science-of-evil-ron-perlman-running-away-superhero-japan-gif-1414721041219073412

[keen pagoda]

You could buy this cl16-16-16-36 4000 mt/s for 131 usd before price hike

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-tf2spy-spytf2-gif-19270816

[keen pagoda]

Next update

One region btw

[rustic echo]

that's CN games in a nutshell. you redownload the entire game every patch

sometimes twice

[twin haven]

nope pixelated DOG isn't still fixed

[keen pagoda]

In 1.1?

[twin haven]

1.0, i thought they'd release a fix but nope, idk about 1.1 hope it gets fixed fast

[keen pagoda]

Dude, they still have not fixed memory leak

[sturdy osprey]

They fixed it for some users

[rustic echo]

1.1 was probably already locked in right before lunar new year. I doubt they can do any fixes of the systematic nature, unless it was service breaking, which it's not, it's just a really bad annoyance.

1.2 is when we hope those things get fixed, because they have more then enough manpower (and budget) to even fix systematic issues.

if they can't fix it by 1.2, then it shows where their heart, and their greed lies

[gloomy tulip]

Ugh I think 1.1 will decide whether people will go

[sturdy osprey]

i need gameplay fixes

[gloomy tulip]

There are so many inconveniences when playing I’m on the edge of quitting

[keen pagoda]

wdym for some users, how?

[runic dove]

as long as they don't take people's complaints about the lack of endgame and go "okay let's add wuwa toa"

[sturdy osprey]

For me for example

[sturdy osprey]

if they dont fix the game in 4 months

Im done with gacha genre

Well not fix everything but the game needs encounter redesign lol

[grizzled saddle]

Can you send me the capture, pls?

[civic wave]

Hello everyone! I just joined the RenoDX Discord server.
Thanks to everyone who worked on making the mod for Arknights: Endfield. It works great!

I can confirm it makes depth of field blur in cutscenes pixelated though 😅

[sudden nest]

what

vanilla is pixelated

[dusky wave]

Miru sent us the VK trace

https://i.flowinity.com/i/93a2468c30c3.7z

files too beeg, so cant drop into discord

[dusky wave]

vanilla already has pixelated DOF, its caused by the game randomly switching between full res DOF and half res + upscaling DOF

the camera mode and some cutscenes use full res DOF

then others will use 720p or lower (depending on your res and upscaling mode)

I might be able to solve it by jittering and using IS-FAST noise

but I dont have a scene to test it since I've finished all the quests

[sudden nest]

make second account

[dusky wave]

Kibbles - quit
Spiwar - quit
Miru - about to quit
Me - about to quit / have other games to mod

Over for Midfieldcels

Toru can take over

or MeiMei

[sudden nest]

im about to quit too

who tf tought this was a good idea

[spiral imp]

Noooo don't quit

[sturdy osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/defeat-cait-sith

[glacial kayak]

As if I was ever in real consideration to take over the mod

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165308683090137160/1475633125513105508/plasma2.gif

[sturdy osprey]

yea what kind of nonsense is that

[strong vault]

I am about to quit too

I gotta port my stuff over to other falcom slops

[dusky wave]

[strong vault]

also finish hdr mods of cold steel 1-2

[dusky wave]

I am messing with BG3 atm

game has 12 deferred lighting shaders

that are each +3000 lines

and I dont even know if the game uses the same ones across all scenes

otherwise its big rip

The games LUTbuilders are 1300lines

[sturdy osprey]

are those like unique shaders or permutations

or we wouldnt know without having dev kit

[dusky wave]

thats the thing

I dont know fi there are permutations

I will check via cheats mod so I can jump between the acts

[sturdy osprey]

no game needs bazillion shaders so i assume this is the engine internally doing shit

[dusky wave]

Same games use the same lighting shaders and only have permutations if settings change

but if the game has new shaders per location

then that will be abysmal

because these are the largest shaders I've seen so far

every other game was about 1500 lines or so

this is 3500

Game only has 1000 shaders total

compared to POE2 which has 10,000

Jedi Survivor has 60K or something

and 30% of those are pure duplicates that the game doesnt even use

(Shortfuse managed to remove them entirely)

[strong vault]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-wtf-gif-25758871

12 shaders crazy

[dusky wave]

You should see the texture usage

each deferred has like 50 textures it uses

various gbuffers

a trillion envmaps

a trillion LUTs (that contain subsurface scattering) or BRDF or something else

yet the game still looks mid

[sturdy osprey]

Ik unreal uses a lot of wrappers and shit on generated hlsl

but no idea how that looks like in decomp

[strong vault]

I am kinda lucky falcom's so simple then kekw~3

[fleet socket]

forge is a tsundere guys he wont quit

[sturdy osprey]

@dusky wave
https://youtu.be/fXakIV1OFes

more deferred slop to learn

[dusky wave]

watched 2 days ago

🤓

[sturdy osprey]

damn i thought i would catch renodx magican lacking

[sturdy osprey]

i tried fsr 4.1

makes the climbing ropes finally good

thin lines are sharper

but they still need to fix the aliasing thats on some things

[woeful raven]

something something

[twin haven]

what is that something exactly?

[rustic echo]

did you manually add a light source?

[strong vault]

I think he is switching back and forth with and without rendering improvements

[rustic echo]

I thought about that, but if so, then the improvements actually killed some highlights from the trees

then again, since we don't have a real sun in endfield, who is to say what is correct

even vanilla endfield they make mistakes all the time since the sun is fake, you can easily spot bad lighting from their screen space and landscape shadows

[dusky wave]

Meanwhile Midfiled VK be like

🥀

[sturdy osprey]

Slop api

Slop game

Slop devs

Slop community (they muted feedback threads on their discord)

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[twin haven]

game industry rn mostly greedy slop, thankfully there's still some that aren't slop

[gloomy tulip]

Vk decomp works in endfield too

Dx11 is always suffer land

[dusky wave]

Yh I tried decomping a 9000 line deferred lighting shader in BG3

400KB

Good luck

VK just worksTM

[fleet socket]

weird bug that just started happening out of nowhere today lol

i need to disable these last three to fully fix it

probe sampling is the one most affected by it, but other two are still affected

[woeful raven]

@dusky wave

Patch day

[dusky wave]

for?

either way, dont care

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

dead game

[median robin]

game needs to be fully reinstalled after the update btw

unless this means something else

[stable lava]

35gb update are they crazy

[gloomy tulip]

I sure hope nothing breaks

[sudden nest]

slop replaced with more slop

did they even add a new map

[twin haven]

that also means new story quest right

[gloomy tulip]

One more new area in wuling

[twin haven]

pls DOF fix

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/john-roblox-laugh-burst-out-laughing-lol-laughing-gif-1680957198344187785

good luck

[serene bridge]

https://endfield.gryphline.com/en-us/news/8907

midfield sloppa no mention of fix for memory leak in the patch notes

[woeful raven]

1.1

I was planning on making a patch tonight

Then my schedule just exploded

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[dusky wave]

soz babes

working on BG3

game also looks like shit

[woeful raven]

[dusky wave]

Did you see their digusting shadow saturation?

[woeful raven]

Nope

[dusky wave]

Looks like I skipped a LUT

but no

just cranked shadow saturation

looks dreadful, the whole game looks like a cartoon instead of a dark fantasy title

[woeful raven]

Slop everywhere

[dusky wave]

[dusky wave]

shadows in the forest are just shrek giga green in vanilla

disgusting

[woeful raven]

Slopfix bg3

And just in time

[dusky wave]

oh wait

[woeful raven]

For red sahara

[dusky wave]

I didnt show you

[woeful raven]

To come out

[dusky wave]

Act 3 has a forced crowd NPC specular shader

dreadful

[woeful raven]

ummm muh visibility!1!1!1!

[dusky wave]

Thats why Larian added it

Normies got filtered unless all the characters glow (per their GDC talk)

[woeful raven]

Ur ruining the artists intent bro

[dusky wave]

'creative intent'

https://tenor.com/view/slap-rip-rhino-toy-gif-23656797

[covert jetty]

Hmm, I think most of the rendering improvements aren't working anymore

Pretty sure HDR shaders are fine though?

[rustic echo]

the game isn't up? or it just came up?

[covert jetty]

I got in okay in Asia

[sturdy osprey]

did you reinstall them

im pretty sure this update would overwrite game exe

[covert jetty]

The mod and Reshade still loaded like normal

I'm not running fps unlocker or anything else

[rustic echo]

updates do that...won't know till we can all log in and inspecti t

on the flip side, lumenite's RTAO got more optimized, so we can go back to 1week post launch mode~

[rustic echo]

confirmed only godray seems to have survived the 1.1

[glacial kayak]

@dusky wave @woeful raven hop to it

[rustic echo]

well technically as long as HDR works, it's still usable

[gloomy tulip]

Mod broken

Joever

[dusky wave]

ogre

[woeful raven]

Yea no my schedule is omega cooked

Its time for you

To step up

[glacial kayak]

Sorry

[rustic echo]

ded game~

[glacial kayak]

I never had any interest in the rendering improvements

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah I hate this live service slop

[glacial kayak]

[dusky wave]

Crimson will also be getting updates

[woeful raven]

Oh so thwy didnt change the output?

[dusky wave]

said they will add in RT shadows later

[woeful raven]

Just all the deferred rendering

Lmao

Forge its all you buddy

[dusky wave]

real question

does VK run better now

[rustic echo]

maybe they all waiting for nvidia to release their fabled new mega geometry

[glacial kayak]

In your dreams

[rustic echo]

no i think nvidia is taking the L on that

[gloomy tulip]

As long as you don't install 595 drivers I think you are fine (setting vsync on in driver)

[rustic echo]

well forge has to tell us what broke in 1.1 before a death cert can be filed

[gloomy tulip]

Its joever for me I don't want to mod the gme I just want to play 😭

[dusky wave]

bruh

even your AO doesnt work

uhhh fellas

[woeful raven]

These mfs must be tripping

[dusky wave]

I am busy with BG3

[rustic echo]

rip game

[woeful raven]

No way hdr still works

Kek w

[gloomy tulip]

Yup they changed all shaders

For some reasons

UID hide doesnt work

[sturdy osprey]

chinese engine

Have to rebuild everything to do an update

[covert jetty]

Qwen make all the shaders better make no mistakes

[sturdy osprey]

maybe they updated unity version?

[woeful raven]

Its this your first gacha guys

Every shader is expected to break

Lol

[sturdy osprey]

First 3d gacha

[woeful raven]

Ya

[gloomy tulip]

Nah its something so basic that they need to update

[sturdy osprey]

i didnt play much genshit

[gloomy tulip]

Lets hope nsight still works

They allow reshade to still run tho so I'm not sure what's the deal

[woeful raven]

The standard is

They wont mess with the lutbuilders

Everything else breaks

[sturdy osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gojo-satoru-jujutsu-kaisen-36

idk if i want to play the game without improvements

KEKW

[dusky wave]

what games look like with PT

Raster dookie meanwhile

Plebstation 6 will do pathtracing per Mark Cerny

and Eggs Box will be using DX13

[sturdy osprey]

problem is with how much you can zoom camera here

pt would bork

[dusky wave]

'fixed-camera perspective'

now you cant zoom

[sturdy osprey]

love how i have to run ak 3 times

before it actually runs

chinese quality 3d engine

[gloomy tulip]

I think a lot of shaders changed because they renamed some texture

😭

[sturdy osprey]

at least game runs faster

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah I feel there are less ui lags now

[rustic echo]

as long as all they did was move some shaders around and not make a completely new rendering pipeline out of nowhere...

[sturdy osprey]

i think they shortened loading times a bit

maybe the game really got optimized

[sturdy osprey]

they fked smt up

the game keeps crashing for me

can you guys run combat drill without crashing

[woeful raven]

🤷‍♂️

i logged in

saw that the hdr mod wasn't broken

100 points

logged out

[gloomy tulip]

I’m playing in the most inefficient way and all of a sudden I don’t need mods

[junior pike]

Rendering such as SSR, improve shadows, HDR sun etc. no longer works with the latest update.

[spiral imp]

game also crashes near the base in sky king flats

okay maybe it's not related to reshade, still crashing without it wtf

[sturdy osprey]

i had to rerun the game multiple times

before it stopped crashing

[tidal finch]

It's over

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[safe swallow]

I was crashing due to fps unlocker

[sturdy osprey]

i uninstalled it too

tried using fg on vulkan via optiscaler

nah game just crashes

apparently worked on 1.0

[gloomy tulip]

So I checked the shaders properly now. The global cbuffer got changed so everything that uses global constant buffer needs update

Their global is huge so i expect they change it every update

[rustic echo]

do you mean the cbuffer definitions changed?

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah

They added some more to gtao that controls the mip bias of depth sampling

[rustic echo]

oh humm...well that's not the worse thing to patch

it's one of those, it's there or it isn't decisions

[gloomy tulip]

I've slopped back in VK

I'm sure they changed their compiler config a bit, some shaders are literally the same but some header bytes changed

[tidal finch]

Ok, now add RenoDX HDR to VK

😭

[gloomy tulip]

@woeful raven

😭

[tidal finch]

If your codebases could be merged it would be awesome

[gloomy tulip]

I've removed some stuff like ssr settings which arent needed as they kill fps too much for little gain. So only AO + UID hiding stuff

But yeah spiwar can merge it if he wants

[stable lava]

renovk for fg 🔥

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah didn't ritsu figure that out

I cant use FG on 3070ti so I wouldnt know

https://github.com/mlleemiles/renodx/releases/tag/endfield-20260312

[tidal finch]

Replace FG with FSR3

[gloomy tulip]

I'm playing at locked 75fps I don't think I need FG yet

[tidal finch]

120fps or bust

[gloomy tulip]

120fps mismatch vsync is painful XD

[gloomy tulip]

They actually fixed pause menu GPU usage

Maybe they fixed menu causing mem leak too

[stable lava]

i haven't played long enough (only had time to do dailies) to check whether mem leak is still in

[gloomy tulip]

For me 2 hours in, still like 8.8GB

[stable lava]

you're using vk right? it was leaking slower in 1.0 iirc

i'll play for a bit later on dx11

[gloomy tulip]

Nah it just leaks randomly

[cedar musk]

Hide UI still working. game saved

[junior pike]

This doesn't seem to be working for me.

[gloomy tulip]

Its for vulkan

And not HDR

I have to say the new map optimization is terrible

My CPU is getting railed XD

[dusky wave]

Not so optimised now

720p AO

720p SSR with wobble

Ass checks LODs

And for what

[gloomy tulip]

When you move the fps drops like crazy

But when you are stationary the fps goes back to normal

[junior pike]

Were you part of the development of renoDX?

[foggy crest]

back to unshaded grass

I forgot how terrible it looked

[gloomy tulip]

It might be stupid but my game looks smoother with the old vsync/present mode in vulkan VK_PRESENT_MODE_FIFO_KHR💀

It's similar to the present mode DX11 uses

I think it actually helps CPU bound situation, unlike mailbox present mode that renders 120fps in the background which takes away a lot of cpu power

My game finally feels smooth

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/wut-gif-10353676990730864957

[gloomy tulip]

Rip bozo

[tidal finch]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[grizzled herald]

So... No need to update Reno?

[median robin]

The HDR aspect of the mod still works, everything else is broken

[grizzled herald]

lol. Like what? I feel the UI a bit off. But just did a fast login.

[stable lava]

like all the rendering improvements

the better AO, SSR, shadows

[grizzled herald]

True. Just noticed that if I switch between the vanilla preset and the one with all the improvements they're the same.

[serene bridge]

seems memory leak has been silently fixed, haven't had any issues since the update

back to 5min daily gameplay, finished 3-4h of story and new map is done since it barely has anything to explore

fps unlocker caused some crashes so had to remove it so we're really back to potato graphics since reno enhancements are also broken

[waxen delta]

VK is absolutely borked on 595 Nvidia drivers. When they listed it as a bug, I didn't think it was gonna be that bad

dx11 is smooth as ever tho and yeah, I'm not having the weird CPU spikes I was getting before on it

[gloomy tulip]

They didnt fix pixelated DOF

[woeful raven]

small indie dev pls

[rustic echo]

technically that "was" true

[sturdy osprey]

since 1.1 its the onlt game that consistently crashes my gpu driver

[rustic echo]

yea, it crashes for no reason even in 1.0 after driver updates/anything that makes it do a cache reload. I think you it might help if you purge and complile cache a few times. though If you're AMD, no clue

[waxen delta]

that dof kills me, I've never seen any other game do it like that

[rustic echo]

it's because they never intended to have resolution scaling in the first place, and shoe horned in DLSS 1month into launch. Their entire process was probably on mobile/console with target fps of 60.

just consider it a really last minute port of for PC, and be glad it even looks as good as it does.

[fleet socket]

unrelated, but damn, 1.1 story was a big step up from 1.0

good stuff

[waxen delta]

That explains a lot but a lot of gacha devs treat PC like an afterthought. It's depressing.

[gloomy tulip]

I have the opposite feeling

The whole time is like
Chen - paimon who has to explain the obvious
Perlica - writer who has to explain everything as if you are a toddler

[sturdy osprey]

i dont see much of a difference so far

[fleet socket]

i dont entirely disagree, but both aren't present for half of the 1.1 story lol

[gloomy tulip]

the quality of storytelling is not good

[sturdy osprey]

same shit but bit better cinematics in terms of camera

[gloomy tulip]

While the story might be layers deep and have a lot of setups but the way it’s told is very insulting to me

Also mifu cross knuckles for the 100th time but doesn’t do anything so far xd

[sturdy osprey]

yea

they make it so obvious

that they are reusing animations

for the sake of it

lol

also they dont have physics in the engine?

why are they manually doing kinematics

for everything

[gloomy tulip]

huh

[sturdy osprey]

anything outside of walking on terrain is kinematics

or prebaked manual animation

so like jumping on platforms

in 1 cutscene where the barrell with dudes rolls on the ground

they could have used real physics for this

but no because idk

[keen vigil]

Tons of setup and lore

Plot barely moves along

[fleet socket]

i don't quite agree it was heavy on set-up and lore, it was heavy on tangtang's characterization if anything

[rustic echo]

They're copying genshin. It's probably something the higher ups decided long ago, an they have marching orders to follow. You see a tons of the parallels in the writing and flow of 1.0 and now 1.1

even events and cadences have a very similar homework copy style of how hoyo designs their content

In fact you can say 2/3rds of gacha games post genshin...has been trying to ride this template, it's kinda sad, but at the same time, it does make money i guess?

even the pull amount for 1.1...the math...maths...it's almost exactly genshin.

[rustic echo]

in another dimension, where endfield devs didn't target mobile gaming...we could have had real ray tracing
https://youtube.com/shorts/SPl0FFTpXoQ?si=Q-mZ13WksYes9q2h

[tidal finch]

I guess DLAA is the only thing that helps?

I can't use other presets due to the pixelation being too much

[grizzled herald]

Where is that listed? I like seeing games officially acknowledging bugs. Makes me feel like QA is still a thing haha.

I'm still on DX though.

[stable lava]

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/595.79/595.79-win11-win10-release-notes.pdf

in section 3.2 open issues

[grizzled herald]

Arknights: Endfield: stutter may be observed in some gameplay [5950402]

Did not update yet though. I'm on the previous hotfix.

[gloomy tulip]

It’s DLAA

[tidal finch]

1080p or 1440p?

I wonder if DLDSR + DLSS would possibly fix some issues?

By bruteforcing but it's something worth a try

[gloomy tulip]

1080p

[gloomy tulip]

I cant hit my refresh rate in this scene, holy optimization

[fleet socket]

i wonder why the new zone is so heavy

its pretty dense, so maybe bad culling?

[gloomy tulip]

There are too many animated vegetations imo

[spiral imp]

game for me is just running like ass

stutter fest everywhere

[gloomy tulip]

The shadow maps need to update a ton, cant cache it

[spiral imp]

not even just new area, it's everywhere

[gloomy tulip]

Are you sure it's fps issue?

For me in vulkan, the vsync has terrible framepacing that I have to fix via addon

[spiral imp]

it's heavy stutter

i should prob graph it, it's not fps or mini stutters but it's like the game is loading smth heavy frequently which makes the game freeze for a split second

[gloomy tulip]

Are you using 595 drivers in vulkan?

Because its bugged

[fleet socket]

i used to have uneven frame timing with the game's own fps cap

using an external one instead made it smooth as silk

[sturdy osprey]

idk i got 108-120fps

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah its super CPU bound for me

[sturdy osprey]

which cpu

[fleet socket]

i still get locked fps, but i did notice it was hitting my cpu harder than any other area in the game

[rustic echo]

the water wheels likely

[fluid patio]

I haven't updated my nvidia drivers since 591.86 and my game has been hitching like crazy on vulkan since the update, no reshade. Doing a full game reinstall to hopefully fix it

[gloomy tulip]

super old 5600

[spiral imp]

Amd, dx11

[spiral imp]

Using display commander actually but I think I'm probably not explaining myself correctly

[gloomy tulip]

I only play with vulkan so I dunno but the last time I tried changing vsync mode in display commander, it didnt work at all

[gloomy tulip]

Tried the latest version it seems like reflex works with display commander?

[lyric coral]

is the latest addon for HDR the one from nexusmods? dated Feb 16?

[gloomy tulip]

Hmm I somehow managed to fix the vsync in vulkan bruh, now its limiting fps properly with mailbox present

[sturdy osprey]

And you are wondering why scene with so many objects is cpu bound

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah but phones need to run it XD

[sturdy osprey]

Well

they wanted to have pc graphics

but released mobile gacha slop

[gloomy tulip]

When the game window isnt focused it will go back to independent flip with fps uncapped hmm

[sturdy osprey]

https://x.com/arthurwoland/status/2032175304437850348?s=46&t=6A2ea933O3fN0vQI-mnpNw

Arthur.Woland (@ArthurWoland)

What the actual fuck is this guy's problem

X · Mar 12, 2026, 7:22 PM

1.1 tldr

[waxen delta]

They still haven't added seamless controller to mkb switching 🙁

It's so nice in other games to mouse through menus and then go back to pad for gameplay

[glacial kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-minecraft-calling-gif-12355236

[midnight prairie]

I'm also getting a lot of crashes. Did you find a fix mate?

[sturdy osprey]

idk what fixed it

i lowered overclock

maybe that

[woeful raven]

https://youtu.be/G9spQo34INo

[gloomy tulip]

Native resolution DOF

Took quite a bit to workaround reno's draw handling XD

[sturdy osprey]

[gloomy tulip]

Also fixed their weird decision to use a point sampler for far dof (which is the main culprit for pixelated DOF)

[woeful raven]

can you replace it with

bokeh dof

instead of just some kind of gaussian slop

or whatever they use

[gloomy tulip]

I don't want to bother fr, any update could just erase all these works XD

They use a circular bokeh I think

[woeful raven]

i dont see it in any cutscene

[gloomy tulip]

Didnt you uninstall too

[woeful raven]

that was just a meme

i still have it installed I just haven't opened it

these past few days

wasnt kidding when i said i was busy

didnt even open wuwa too

but like

in 1.0 cutscene

there was no scene that look even remotely like they had any kind of

bokeh simulation

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah i dunno tbh

[woeful raven]

ya that looks like just gaussian

[gloomy tulip]

The DOF is calculated before DLSS/DLAA, dunno if that will affect final DOF

[woeful raven]

circular bokeh should blow out biggar circles

[gloomy tulip]

Lets just ask very smart AI to add bokeh slop into the current shaders

[woeful raven]

amazing

[dusky wave]

Port over UE3 Xcooom DOF

Perfect bokeh there

[gloomy tulip]

Replacing the low res dof needs so many textures

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah I checked there is really no bokeh pass, just 2 separable blur passes

1 for near and 1 for far

So bokeh needs to be a new render pass

Can't have proper blur shape too because its separable I think

[copper stump]

is DOF fixed with the new update?

[gloomy tulip]

No

[gloomy tulip]

Hmmmm very interesting

If you use camera mode before going into a low res DOF cutscene

The DOF will become native resolution

😭

No addon

[sturdy osprey]

wtf

[dusky wave]

bruh this is what I meant

it randomly just switches

either half res or full res

[gloomy tulip]

I detect and log the resource res in my addon and discovered this bug

[arctic echo]

Why does it even have a half res DoF path. Is it supposed to be mobileslop that's accidentally triggering on PC or something I wonder

[gloomy tulip]

I guess if you use low post processing settings

[twin haven]

the fuck

is that permanent until game restarts?

[gloomy tulip]

I dunno, it might last awhile until the game decides to release the DOF resources

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-strong-man-feelsstrongman-feelsstrongman-clap-twitch-twitch-emote-gif-16929533144983801035

[scenic comet]

would it be possible to either skip/disable or at least lower DOF amount?
or @ least do something about gaussian smear shit thing

[scenic comet]

Vibe codded Slopfield strikes again?

[rustic echo]

odd, maybe it's because the new story is in a new region, but the DOF doesn't offend me like 1.0 v4 even in DLSS performance.

I do think they messed around with DOF a bit at least creatively to not be so...bad

[gloomy tulip]

I think they forgot to initialize DOF parameters so when you did not use camera mode (it uses a different DOF shader pipeline so it gets initialized properly), the DOF params get corrected

[gloomy tulip]

The DOF is the same as 1.0

[rustic echo]

hmm...i'll have to go through a few more cutscenes then

but it's not 32bit mess like the those valley4 scenes

[gloomy tulip]

Its still so pixelated XD

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/commit/e8b3407441abd9134ca30b4bccbdaa86c0257e15

My slop code to force full res once the game tries to draw lower res DOF

[twin haven]

im a pleb can that be put into dx11 renodx? pogstool or how do you even use .glsl?

[gloomy tulip]

Dx11 need to code differently than vulkan I'm afraid 😔

[twin haven]

okand

[gloomy tulip]

But for the time being I think you can just use camera mode once in dx11

The rest of the game seems to respect the camera mode override