Arknights + AK Endfield

[fleet socket]

for the in-game capper vs. an external one (renodx fps limiter in this case)

that supports dx11 too

[glacial kayak]

look at that vk frametime graph tho

[woeful raven]

you just grabbed the image staring at the sky

from the fps unlocker page

[glacial kayak]

sorry should have chosen a more ironic emoji

but i can get more than 729 fps on my m1 macbook pro

trust

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ai-cat-ai-gun-cat-gun-ai-gif-8974484528140508515

its not

works on DX11

lmao

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[keen pagoda]

Wow, much better

[woeful raven]

if you stand around do nothing then the graph will look flat

lmao

do a 1 minute capframex capture on a warm cache then come back

you cannot get a flatter graph than dx11

[keen pagoda]

How I can record with capframex?

[woeful raven]

figure it out yourself

[keen pagoda]

ofc I wont, switch to dx11 wiped cache

[glacial kayak]

hence why he specified a warm cache

just run around the same block of wuling for a while and see what happens

[keen pagoda]

btw, I probably also should disable reshade

[keen pagoda]

nothing, still flat

[glacial kayak]

now record with capframex

[woeful raven]

provide a capframex capture

[glacial kayak]

then repeat with dx11

and if vulkan is smoother then spiwar and forge will get matching ecouple discord pfps

[keen pagoda]

Lmao, I have stutter when region change caption appears

And it's repeatable

[woeful raven]

if vk stutters less @dusky wave will port all his slop to vk tomorrow

[glacial kayak]

doesn't capframex spit out graphs

you can just screenshot those

[woeful raven]

yeah

why dont you screenshot the graph

[woeful raven]

LMAO

[glacial kayak]

i don't wanna download copeframex

[woeful raven]

HOLY FUCK

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[keen pagoda]

It happens when I cross region

Lemme try dx11 now

Also, that capture was made with reshade+renodx

[woeful raven]

Dicks 11 superiority reigns again

[keen pagoda]

Is this with reshade+renodx?

[woeful raven]

obviously yes?

[safe swallow]

no one here uses renodx

[glacial kayak]

gotta normalize the scale here a bit

[runic dove]

35ms frametime spike mmm tasty

[woeful raven]

yeah i need to normalize the graph

but the 0.1% low average

should give an idea

[keen pagoda]

dx11

[glacial kayak]

300ms nice

[keen pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-tf2spy-spytf2-gif-19270816

[woeful raven]

doesn't look like a warm shader cache

[keen pagoda]

lemme try again

[glacial kayak]

wtf are you doing

[runic dove]

probably opening the menu 17,000 times

[keen pagoda]

btw, how I can fix this?

[keen pagoda]

Nah

start and finish, regular walk

no dashes, etc

Also, It's capped to 60fps

[fleet socket]

look i was on ur side, but now that i see u play with male endmin... yeah spiwar is right

[frigid mural]

Did you enabled "ReShade before UI"? If so, try to disable it

[keen pagoda]

I just don't discriminate

[woeful raven]

why walk like a fucking pussy

[keen pagoda]

Yup, it was enabled, I need to restart now?

[woeful raven]

just run around a building

[woeful raven]

vulkan warm cache

i love my spikes

[frigid mural]

No if disable doesn't work, I don't think it's because of that😂

[keen pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296206687858065433/1443137439462850692/image0.gif

[frigid mural]

But probably worth a try?

[woeful raven]

yeah what are you showing here

[glacial kayak]

Male endmin is necessary for the ardashir yaoi

[woeful raven]

its not that hard to test the VK stutters buddy

just run around the building like this

absolutely abysmal

on the other hand

[frigid mural]

You have red dots on everything in the UI. How could you bare that🤣

[woeful raven]

I didn't even log in yesterday

was too tired after i went to the gym

[keen pagoda]

Guess what

[woeful raven]

you can circle around a block 100 times

and VK will still stutter after the initial compilation

or you could just use DX11

[keen pagoda]

Cold run btw

[sudden nest]

whats wrong with male endmin

[woeful raven]

[keen pagoda]

Exactly on place where I had abysmal results on dx11

[safe swallow]

why would you want to look at a guy when playing a game

[keen pagoda]

this one

[keen pagoda]

1% low is useless unless you reset it first, I just started the game after loading

ofc it's gonna show 33 fps

[glacial kayak]

God forbid I be attracted to men

[keen pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/sybil-pseudoregalia-plushie-spin-gif-8257105518229065635

[woeful raven]

where's the new video

some day i hope you can experience good 1% and 0.1% lows

[safe swallow]

ok fine you get a pass

[woeful raven]

lmao

there's a reason your 1% lows will always fluctuate

but if you want to keep coping

[fleet socket]

ok fine you win this one

[sudden nest]

what

[woeful raven]

you could attempt the same run 10000 times and still won't get a stable 60 1% like a dx11 run can easily do on a warm cache

but you're welcome to keep coping

and trying

[sudden nest]

you dont play games with male protag

?

[woeful raven]

[safe swallow]

not when I can choose the female protag

[keen pagoda]

You saw graphs above

[runic dove]

me hitting the good ol Steam Refunds seeing a male protagonist

[woeful raven]

yes your video shows you never reaching a constant 60 1% low

because of the micro stutters

LOL

[runic dove]

probably exists now that i think about it

[keen pagoda]

The line was flat isn't?

btw, can you show your settings?

[woeful raven]

any line can be flat if you zoom it out big enough

what settings

I play with maxed out settings

this game is piss easy to run

[sudden nest]

okay

why cant I choose the guy

[safe swallow]

because you can choose the girl

[fleet socket]

because endfield doesn't have enough male characters to justify it

[sudden nest]

what

[fleet socket]

if you were playing another game where the majority of the NPCs were men, that'd make sense

[sudden nest]

so I should take male protag when there are male npcs?

no wait

[runic dove]

its just personal preference what people choose though

huh

[fleet socket]

seriously though, my biggest issue with male protagonists in gacha games is that their designs usually kinda suck compared to the female mc lol

[keen pagoda]

Dude, you must be trolling

[woeful raven]

your 1% lows ended worse than when you started

you keep proving my point

LMAO

[keen pagoda]

It's dx11

Even worse than vulkan

[woeful raven]

then do it again?

you can repeat after the cache is warm

then its a solid 60

[safe swallow]

wtf is going on here

[woeful raven]

he hid the UI

like i said

[woeful raven]

^

you can repeat the same run on VK again and again and get the same bad result

DX11 just needs a warm cache

[keen pagoda]

It is warm

51 to 47 1%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296206687858065433/1441719739729575936/zhaodamianstomp.gif

[woeful raven]

clearly not warm enough

[keen pagoda]

[dusky wave]

I leave gacha slop for one day and this happens

[keen pagoda]

Are you coping?

[woeful raven]

please don't make me boot the game again

just to show a flat 1% reading

[dusky wave]

My shitpost is correct once again

Gachalets are a diff breed

[woeful raven]

it seems that you can't stop coping

is there a reality where you get a 1% low at 60 in vulkan

[keen pagoda]

Dude, I ran here 2 times already

[woeful raven]

cold run, warm run, doesnt matter

[keen pagoda]

It's worse than vulkan

[sudden nest]

i think they are harder to do

[woeful raven]

then run it a third time

you have something that hasn't finished compiling

[fleet socket]

yeah i agree, which is a shame

[rustic echo]

I personally didn't feel a difference in vulkan or dx11...they both ass, especially after you open and close a menu.

[sudden nest]

yep

[fleet socket]

i think the issue is that they always want to make the protagonist kinda plain looking, and while it's easy to make a girl look cute while being plain, it's much harder to make a dude interesting like that

[woeful raven]

cause they both rebuild shader once you launch

VK stutters is not really related to the rebuild hence why it will still stutter even if you run through the same areas 10 times

meanwhile on dx11

[keen pagoda]

Third time

[woeful raven]

something wrong with your machine then

oh wiat

lol

[rustic echo]

wasn't there a unity call edit in some games to change streaming rules for shaders? or am I dreaming of a not-unity?

[keen pagoda]

And it's still runs better with vulkan

[woeful raven]

refer back to this

#1440801914165002322 message

[woeful raven]

come back when you can get a constant 1% lows with vulkan

[woeful raven]

not reeally applicable to this game

given they've rewrote a lot of things

[dusky wave]

Ummm.... Fellas is really simpel

I am not porting slop over to VK slop until VK slop works as good as DX11 on 'my end'

[rustic echo]

o

[keen pagoda]

I did show you, you imbecil

[woeful raven]

i love the language

are you retarded

your 1% lows is not constant

[dusky wave]

[woeful raven]

you dropped to the 50s

[dusky wave]

What is going on

[safe swallow]

fun

[woeful raven]

once again

[dusky wave]

[woeful raven]

refer back to this

#1440801914165002322 message

[fleet socket]

can we go back to talking about how mid midfield is or something instead

[sudden nest]

yeah thats what i meant, its harder to make them an interesting design, and most of the time they all look the same, this is especially bad in anime

[dusky wave]

Join me at XCOM 2 modding

Trying to figure out how to get contact shadows working

Light leak is abysmal

They don't occlud light under any geometry so it all leaks

[keen pagoda]

Because they are taken by interval, if I had frame drops from alttabs/esc menu all of this will be taken into 1%

[woeful raven]

you think I don't alt tab in my recording?

retard

look at the recording

if that's the case your 1% will go up during recording

but it goes down

and fluctuate

[rustic echo]

I have to admit, after the NTE beta, it may be bad in everything thing else related to professionalism compare to endfield...but...there's more memorable moments when the devs are true to their bashful anime weeb gooning selves.

[woeful raven]

and once again

#1440801914165002322 message

[rustic echo]

Endfield...does feel...cold...might be the word for it

[woeful raven]

refer back it should look like

[keen pagoda]

Now go look how much I lose, vulkan - 51-50, and dx11 - 51-47

[rustic echo]

it's way sterilized in 1.0

[woeful raven]

seems like a you issue

[safe swallow]

can we not have gooning as the first priority in at least one anime game

[runic dove]

like idk the frametimes are pretty much a locked 60 on my system with a 5900x + 5070ti

it just looks like a system problem atp

[woeful raven]

yea the only thing bud is showing at the best case

[rustic echo]

I want to agree in theory, but in practice...they do their best work when they're true to their nature.

[woeful raven]

is that both vk and dx11 is equally as bad on his rig

kek w

meanwhile

1% 60

[safe swallow]

I don't want their nature to be that

[rustic echo]

and thus Midfield...

[runic dove]

inb4 playing on 1050ti and 1600

[fleet socket]

u dont get to say that when u thought it was a good thing that they completely removed the edge from cbt1

[safe swallow]

blasphemy

[rustic echo]

NTE was like...this game look and runs like ass, and RT should be a default option to even get to endfield visuals...but it they make it ooze with style, of a degenerate closet weeb you secretly just want the game to be.

[dusky wave]

Only acceptable goon is

• Nier

[woeful raven]

or maybe dogshit ram

[safe swallow]

those amusement park big clown robots got me acting unwise

[rustic echo]

but I think we're getting a 4th survey from currencyfield. So they are very bent on protecting their 700mill USD revenue...let's see if they can work those interns to death some more.

[dusky wave]

You see, you don't get this in AAA sloppas

4 surveys

FOUR

Bungie or EA would just say "we hear the feedback" (they don't)

[fleet socket]

i mean you say that, but player feedback is why they butchered the cbt1 story being so dark lol

[dusky wave]

Yes

China players are gooners

They don't want depression

[fleet socket]

they should stop listening to bad feedback and only pay attention to good feedback (mine)

[safe swallow]

that's why you ask for feedback on player feedback from someone who knows shit

[fleet socket]

simply

[woeful raven]

what's your feedback

[safe swallow]

then how did og arknights even work

[rustic echo]

I don't care for dark stories. I just want stories that aren't sterilized generic and laundered to perfection. I am guessing they needed it to make sure the launch goes well, and go back to their old emo selves.

[dusky wave]

You - knows shit but poor

China Whale - doesn't know shit but counterargument $700K lifetime spending

Izza bizness at the end of the day

[safe swallow]

time to beg for money to stop being poor

so they'll listen to me

and/or get a pizza

[woeful raven]

the reflex off thing

really works though

been leaving this game open

[dusky wave]

Jensenbros

How do we cope

[safe swallow]

never had any memory leaking

[woeful raven]

sometimes it will offload to your page file

which is why you'll see it drop a couple gigs

[glacial kayak]

Nvidia slopflex

[dusky wave]

Kibbles

Did Reflex fuck your pet

Eternal hatred

[serene bridge]

cbt had no memory leak with reflex and dlss, devs goofed

[dusky wave]

Where does this stem from

[dusky wave]

Small dev studio, pls understand

[woeful raven]

small indie dev studio decided to rewrite unity

and we get VK slop

cubemap glow slop

vignette shadow slop

[dusky wave]

You receive - perfect gooner materials and water droplets

I receive - all your mem and vram

[sturdy osprey]

rewrite unity aka remove random fetrures to make it work on mobile shitphones

[keen pagoda]

This will never be fixed tho

[woeful raven]

mobile is relatively well optimized

[safe swallow]

can I get a pizza with that?

[keen pagoda]

Look at backporting waves

[sturdy osprey]

i keep hearing same shit with devs ''rewriting unreal'' and its mfers using nvidia branch with worse GI

[woeful raven]

not really applicable

issues with this game is not really the same with whatever is going on with wuthering waves

[dusky wave]

I rewrote Endfield - Added RenoDX HDR and AO modulation

[sturdy osprey]

tbf phones are pretty powerful now, you just need to limit effects that especially chug memory because phones are shit at it and fake some optimization with removing details that you cant see on 6 inch screen

[keen pagoda]

So forking shit engine, and then backporting from even more shittier engine is better than forking and rewriting?

Same bs

[woeful raven]

who said it was better?

the problems are not the same

[fleet socket]

ue5 is not shittier than ue4 lol

[woeful raven]

equivocating them is stupid

[sturdy osprey]

ue5 is vastly better than ue4 atp

idk who tf would be retarded enough to use ue4

maybe if you want to use physx for some reason

[woeful raven]

wuwa's problem is coming from the game just expanding in scope and fidelity without ever fixing the performance baggage that they have

[sturdy osprey]

wuwa looks better than idk the rest of 3d gachas besides endfield?

[woeful raven]

this game performs well because there is they reduced all the scope

540p gtao\

540p ssr

[sturdy osprey]

great for phones

[glacial kayak]

It stems from the dudes online who only talk about input latency all day everyday

Deserved punishment for them

[woeful raven]

dogshit LOD

[fleet socket]

endfield at least is dev issue

if they stop being stupid, it'd be easy to fix a lot of the issues

by just bumping the settings lol

[woeful raven]

yea

plus

[dusky wave]

• every dev ever

[safe swallow]

hey that's me

[sturdy osprey]

some guys on endfield discord already figured why the game memory leaks

[woeful raven]

as much as we give shit for them for rewriting unity's job system

the game performs well cpu wise

its just the ram and vram leak

that's easily fixable versus wuwa's baggage for multiple patches now

you can be 99fps in wuwa's 1.0 areas with RT on

and 39fps in 3.0 areas

[fleet socket]

lol

[dusky wave]

This is why you MFG slop form 39FPS

[fleet socket]

MFGing from 20 fps to 120 fps 💪

[woeful raven]

be kuso games
releases new area with super dense grasses and fidelity
player complains low fps
"but we dont know how to optimize"
reduces draw distance and lod so you can't see any of the dense geometry and grass

every patch that they claim they've made optimization

you dig into the settings

they've just reduced the draw distance further

[dusky wave]

Where is that vido

Fellas explain how to optimise UE

Berry simpel

[fleet socket]

thats why endfield is better. the devs preemptively set everything as low as they could from the get-go

[keen pagoda]

Rewrite to your inhouse engine

[sturdy osprey]

its how they handle anti cheat as usual

[keen pagoda]

[sturdy osprey]

people with low end cpus need to restart game every 40 min

or the game becomes 10fps

OmegaKek

[serene bridge]

when endfield adds RT then it'll be like wuwa performance

[safe swallow]

still looks gorgeous though

[sturdy osprey]

im scared of them touching rt

[fleet socket]

"when" overly optimistic aren't we

[woeful raven]

no

wuwa has the same anti cheat

[fleet socket]

iOS has it but it barely does anything and is only applied to certain areas iirc

[woeful raven]

its just with them

[glacial kayak]

I see he wasn't exaggerating about the lod

[safe swallow]

yeah it's that bad

[dusky wave]

Like fucking clockwork I hate this shit soo much

The point of optimisation is to get better perf with minimal visual degradation or he'll even no visual degradation

Not make everything look worse whilst just getting a bit higher perf

Abysmal

[woeful raven]

yeah then the fault is with the devs

not with ace

[sturdy osprey]

yes

thats what i said

[woeful raven]

then we weren't in disagreement then

👍

[fleet socket]

i wasnt aware the leak was due to the AC lol

[sturdy osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-armstrong-vs-raiden

[dusky wave]

Lazorr disabled tessellation + Naniteslop for terrain with barely any visual differences in Romeo is a Dead Man

60FPS boost

60

12ms increase

In perf

WTF

[stable lava]

pokemon ahh looking landscape

[woeful raven]

well

[sturdy osprey]

wtf did they do to make nanite eat 12ms

[woeful raven]

this game has so many ways to leak

dlss leak

ace leak

maybe web browser leak

reflex leak

[safe swallow]

pretty sure it's looking better in pokemon

[dusky wave]

Wait until you hear MGS delta ate 13.5ms whenever you fired weapons in first person because gun muzzle spawned a trillion particles

[fleet socket]

that one was crazy

[sturdy osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-peak-metal-gear-solid

[dusky wave]

Slop hours

[fleet socket]

ue5 has its issues for sure but the biggest issue of them all are the game devs

[dusky wave]

Virtuous special sauce

[sturdy osprey]

0 QA just vibe remaster and blame unreal

😭

[fleet socket]

gotta replace game devs instead of the engine

[sudden nest]

i have 140+ in 1.0, 45 in 3.0 city

[woeful raven]

you have a higher end cpu than me yea

im not even on x3d

😭

[sudden nest]

literally another game

[woeful raven]

but its bad in 3.0

no one can be saved from 3.0 city

[fleet socket]

did they fix the oblivion remaster or is it still awful

[sudden nest]

something like a 20800x3d could probably do it

[stable lava]

oblivion demaster is not fixable

too much toddslop baggage

[fleet socket]

will be very funny when they release the fallout 3 remaster/remake and it has all the same issues as the oblivion one

[dusky wave]

No

[woeful raven]

@dusky wave can lazor hook into wuwa slop

or does ACE block ue4ss

kek W

[dusky wave]

Ask him

He already checked I think

[fleet socket]

stop being a pussy and just disable ACE

[woeful raven]

i mean you can

the endfield graphics mod

is basically an ace bypass

[fleet socket]

gacha devs literally do not give a fuck about bypassing the anticheat lol

on top of being super easy to do usually

[woeful raven]

lazorr save us

[fleet socket]

are you familiar with the universal ACE bypasser for unity? it was widely-used on linux before people got ACE working on proton

it's a 5-line executable that executes the UnityMain function and bypasses all the ACE stuff. ACE is not running at all anymore and all the games ran just fine

[sturdy osprey]

do you have link to his fix

[woeful raven]

how is this relevant though

we already cucked ace by using the graphics mod

if they really cared

both forge and i would be banned right now

[dusky wave]

U+ (ultra + addons that fix UE slop issue)

[fleet socket]

just an example of how pointless ACE is and how devs do not give a shit

[woeful raven]

also depends on which server you're on

you can cheat pretty easily on western servers

[dusky wave]

Ultra+ is to UE what Reno Dee Eggs is for HDR

[glacial kayak]

It's just to catch low effort bypasses of payment functions

[woeful raven]

on asia you're extra cucked

[fleet socket]

that makes sense since asian whales subsidize the games for the rest of us. cant have 'em having a better time instead of spending their life savings on the game

[dusky wave]

wait so you mean I can bypass ACE, reverse enjiner the whole game

and add pathtracing

[woeful raven]

forge go back to xcom 2

[rustic echo]

that would require you to stop using dx11...

[sturdy osprey]

rewrite vulkan and add pathtracing

🙏

[woeful raven]

all to break

in the next update

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-drop-gif-23165505

[rustic echo]

well 1.1 is based off cbt feedback

so 1.2 will kill off forge's sleep

[sturdy osprey]

yea 1.1 is gonna be crap probably

[woeful raven]

this is why u dont over invest

[serene bridge]

was curious about the vulkan memes and its not much diff from dx11, only diff is reno overhead

[rustic echo]

well 1.2 should land somewhere around NTE's release, so interns are probably not going to get any rest regardless to make sure the impact isn't as large...and whatever disaster recovery star rails trying to do.

[woeful raven]

reno was with all render improvements on?

[sudden nest]

let me guess

yes

[serene bridge]

yeah everything maxed

[woeful raven]

yeah that probably has some overhead then

with higher samples and more complex ao

[serene bridge]

and this was torture test zipline through wuling

[woeful raven]

w*ling

[dusky wave]

Goonling

[sturdy osprey]

how do you get 196fps

what cpu is that on

[woeful raven]

fps unlocker

• x3D

[sturdy osprey]

which x3d

[serene bridge]

9800x3d king of gachaslop

[sturdy osprey]

oh

makes sense

i got 130-140fps max on 5800x3d even if i run potato graphics

[woeful raven]

9800x3d + 5090 just to play gachaslop

brain rotted

[sturdy osprey]

gotta wait for 10800x3d ultra amd giga chad pro to get 240fps

[serene bridge]

[glacial kayak]

gotta upgrade to 9850x3d for gachaslop

[sturdy osprey]

9850x3d is like 5% more than 9800x3d

[sudden nest]

you guys are forgetting something called 5090

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[sturdy osprey]

noobdy can afford that shit

[safe swallow]

just mfg

[rustic echo]

endfield has a kinda sort cpu problem on the scaling

[serene bridge]

def need zen6 x3d when its out

[sudden nest]

chill bro no need to flex this much 🙁

[glacial kayak]

that'll be a lowly $4500 for that

[serene bridge]

the bottleneck is real even on 9800x3d

[sturdy osprey]

just upscale from 1080p

[safe swallow]

too high

[dusky wave]

9800X3D, 5090, tuned 48GB DDR5

[sturdy osprey]

this game doesnt have enough details to see diff from 1440p to 4k so 1080p is passable

[dusky wave]

[dusky wave]

allat just to spend 16hrs in VS code

and have devkit open with 40FPS cap

[safe swallow]

tuned memory

[rustic echo]

I don't about you, but character models I can tell a huge difference between resolution. 4k or bust

[sturdy osprey]

people gettin 20% uplift on intel cockclocking ddr5 to 8000mhz with god timings

[glacial kayak]

all that just to match an underclocked x3d

[rustic echo]

and i do mean yvonne's bust...

[sturdy osprey]

with fsr4 and rcas 1440p looks very similar to me

[median robin]

@keen pagoda if you want to uncensor so badly you can just use rabbitfx

[safe swallow]

yeah you can also run 8000 on zen5 with better performance and piss low idle power

[dusky wave]

The only rabbit I konw is Avy

500 rabbit children

[median robin]

True

[rustic echo]

ah fsr4.......ok you can cap off your resolution...

[safe swallow]

I wish australia was real

[rustic echo]

yvonne's cut scene is when I tip my hat to forge...combination of 4k/HDR/and texture quality...

[woeful raven]

wuwa cutscenes

[sturdy osprey]

i wish i could replay cutscenes

[woeful raven]

@dusky wave i still remember wifekeeper's clothing details in 4K

[sturdy osprey]

i installed renodx after finishing the entire mainstory pretty much

[sudden nest]

i got one for 2100 euros on amazon resale

i received a pair of shoes

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[safe swallow]

were they good shoes?

[sudden nest]

Nah they didnt fit me

i have long feet

[safe swallow]

aw, shame

[sudden nest]

I guess 2100 euros for some random shoes is a bit too much

[safe swallow]

well, the inflation was crazy lately

[sudden nest]

not ram crazy tho...

[sturdy osprey]

top end pc in 2013

[grim kiln]

in 2026 that 1600 barely buys you ram 🤣

[sturdy osprey]

im coping heavily seeing 980ti msrp being 650$

[dusky wave]

WTF is that glass

They just ran a full ass cubemap

100%

no modulation

no blur

[sudden nest]

why is enfield looking like that

cn complained again?

[dusky wave]

This is Arknights 2

not to be confused by Midfield

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-kevin-hart-damn-gif-22709278

[gloomy tulip]

I think you are fucked by game’s vsync here?

Because vsync doesn’t work in vulkan I dunno what kinda refresh rate the game is targeting but it’s bad

Have to turn vsync on from your driver and disable game menu vsync

[woeful raven]

I dont play with vsync on though

[fleet socket]

bro

people be playing endfield through dx11-to-opengl translation layers

[woeful raven]

[stable lava]

let's remove ogl drivers actually

minecraft is migrating, no usecases now

[sudden nest]

what do they need opengl for

[fleet socket]

nothing

just people using settings they saw others using but have no idea what actually do

[gloomy tulip]

Well I got a large spike because of cold boot, shader caching not finished 😂

[fleet socket]

i was playing around with it after the yap, and dx11 with all reno improvements is basically a flatline for me after the cache is warm lol

even after running all over wuling

[gloomy tulip]

Im running on vulkan tho

[fleet socket]

let me try vulkan as well

[gloomy tulip]

Not to mention I have much weaker PC than you guys

[sturdy osprey]

I dont have flatline when walking around wuling

[fleet socket]

are you using the in-game's fps limiter

i wasn't either but after i switched to something else it solved all my issues

[sturdy osprey]

No

I dont limit my fps

[sudden nest]

who would recommend opengl tho

spitting bs for the love of the game

[fleet socket]

because 6 years ago, some games would break on dxvk

and for some reason, people still keep spreading it around

[sudden nest]

yeah uh using advice from 6 years ago is not the smartest thing to do

[fleet socket]

no thats the thing, people just keep repeating it over and over again without really knowing what it does

so they probably got it from some other clueless person

who got it from another dumbass

and so on

[sudden nest]

the dumbass cycle🤣

[gloomy tulip]

But the game forces a fps cap tho

Either 30/60/120

That option sets the refresh rate of vsync in vulkan which creates all of the visible stutter even if you have flat frametime

[fleet socket]

i assume he's using the fps unlocker

same thing. also 1% lows at 60 lol

though ofc this isn't like dx11 where i had all the reno stuff enabled, which also had 1% 60

[gloomy tulip]

60FPS uses so much GPU

[fleet socket]

its probably because of the unlocker settings lol

i have gtao at double native res for example

[gloomy tulip]

Vulkan has this CPU usage bug

It just uses full CPU for no reason after you interact with menus

[gloomy tulip]

Better run at native than anything higher

Wasting a lot of GPU for little gain because of the bad history sampling by the devs 😭

[woeful raven]

Yeah just run at native

[fleet socket]

fair enough

[woeful raven]

No reason to oversample it

[fleet socket]

forge's SSR improvements still require default quality mode, right? so you can't bump it with the enhancer without those breaking?

[gloomy tulip]

I think ultra quality from enhancer is using using a shader that uses higher min raytracing setup count

Its hardcoded in shader, thats why using ultra changes shader making forge tweaks not work

[keen vigil]

I just realized the is the Plasma TV guy

[stuck sandal]

wtf

[stuck sandal]

okay hear me out
instead of modding anime slop you could mod Halo slop :p
-# Halo Infinite's campaign could really use some love

[glacial kayak]

that's your slop bro

everyone's waiting on you

[keen pagoda]

Meh, I don't care much, just saw this mod and decided to bring it xd

[frigid mural]

Is the way RenoDX bypasses the UI (‘ReShade before UI’) the same as how ReshadeEffectShaderToggler works? Because when RenoDX skips the UI, it seems to skip the character as well. I’m trying to use ReshadeEffectShaderToggler to skip the UI, but it’s hard to really determine which pixel shaders I should exclude. I’m wondering if there’s any way for me to identify which pixel shaders are the ones that should be skipped.

[dusky wave]

LumaDX lite bro

Use swapchain V2 with renderpass

I'm busy with XCOM kino rn

Trying to add xegtao

And screenspace shadows

[dusky wave]

Works on the same principle, characters are rendered separately from the environment like most anime style games. We apply Reshade after deferred lighting shaders for env and grass (so characters aren't affected)

If you want to skip just UI, find the uberpost shaders then 'on_drawn' apply your Reshade effects

[frigid mural]

Thanks! I'm gonna try it

[keen pagoda]

That was bios and DRAM

Base level, or lowest is 3600 for my cpu

I was able to get 3400 17-19-19-40, and got 15-20 fps more

xd

Fuck scum altman

I could buy new dram with higher clocks

[safe swallow]

3400c17 what is this, samsung c die?

[keen pagoda]

Unfortunately kingston set1 - kingston chips, set2 - kingston micron chips

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven

Their tiled lighting is dogshit though

so my shadows just disppear becasue the tiles constantly change

@gloomy tulip help me solve UE3 sloppa pls

I'll see if I can force some higher settings via .ini

[sudden nest]

what micron

e die is good

[keen pagoda]

And yet no luck hitting 3600

Second set is this bs

vsoc +0.025, vdimm +1.45, 17-19-19-39, can't start

aorus x570 ultra, 5700x

[sudden nest]

I cant tell what die you have from your screenshots

I dont think its e die either way

maybe rev b

[keen pagoda]

It is die e on micron chips

Seems like I got the crappiest ones

[glacial kayak]

Would have to be a really bad sample of Rev e to not hit 3600

Probably needs higher trcdrd and Trfc than you expect to work

If it is 8gbit Rev b then that would be more expected to not hit 3600

[woeful raven]

Lmao

Explain the abysmal perf

[woeful raven]

ya i dont even have the best bin of rev e and it does 3800cl16 easy

3400cl17 is samsung cuck die territory

Though even samsung cuck die could do 3600cl18

[sudden nest]

3600 is piss easy for rev e

so id say 99% is b die

[woeful raven]

Ya

Probably eol b die

kek w

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-biggest-peice-of-dogshit-peice-of-shit-gif-13354334831488207353

[safe swallow]

c die my beloved

[woeful raven]

[safe swallow]

yeah it was atrocious

rip to the guy who bought it

[woeful raven]

I did b4 going to e die

Sold it off to a local

[glacial kayak]

Specifically 8gbit Rev b

16gbit Rev b is supposed to be actually good

[sudden nest]

he sent the screen its 8gbit

[glacial kayak]

Yeah

I'm clearing the not so good name of Rev b

[safe swallow]

yeah and the I found a kit of dual rank b die that was 3200c16 so I managed to convince the guy he has c die actually

and bargained it down from 130 to 100

[woeful raven]

Scum

[safe swallow]

hit'em with the punk tactics

[woeful raven]

(I would have done the same)

[glacial kayak]

Unironic scamaz

[woeful raven]

I didnt go with b die

[safe swallow]

my beloved

[woeful raven]

Cause it practically doesnt make sense

U need cooling for bdie

In sff there is no ram airflow

[safe swallow]

yeah that's why I just run loose refresh

fucking temps

[glacial kayak]

It stopped making sense in most cases immediately as hynix and micron pulled their heads out of their asses

[woeful raven]

Unless u an ultraOC nerd yea

People still get surprised when i post my

60-63c dram

[safe swallow]

damn

[woeful raven]

In sk hardware channel

[glacial kayak]

Based

[safe swallow]

tho I think mine also reaches 60 in testmem5

[glacial kayak]

My Rev e didn't have temp sensors at all lol

[safe swallow]

no temp sensor no problem

the only good solution

[woeful raven]

real

My edie had temp sensor also cuz it had a bunch of shit

Like RGB

[glacial kayak]

Yeah I just had basic crucial ballsticks

[woeful raven]

Crucial ballsticks

[glacial kayak]

I got like the very last batch before they changed the heatspreader too

[safe swallow]

these are so cool

I love'em

[keen pagoda]

I was sitting on 3200 before tho, the 15-20 fps is huge just for 200mhz

[glacial kayak]

Need trident royals

[keen pagoda]

AMD stuff is weird

But yeah, my dram sucks

[glacial kayak]

Yeah cause the infinity fabric is also clocking up at the same time when you do that

[safe swallow]

I don't think there's a single die that won't do 3600

[glacial kayak]

Well

Early hynix and micron will disagree lol

[safe swallow]

sure his 3200 kit isn't that early

[keen pagoda]

One 2020, and seocnd is 2022

[glacial kayak]

If it's Rev e then it can't be

Again, very rare for any Rev e to not do 3600

[keen pagoda]

On 17-19-19-39?

[safe swallow]

why do you care about the primaries

just push the clocks as high as possible first

[keen pagoda]

I did try

voltages + clocks

[glacial kayak]

Rev e has bad trcdrd scaling, you often need to keep it stupid high at like 22 to get 3600

[keen pagoda]

Didn't work

[safe swallow]

how loose did you set the timings

[keen pagoda]

oh btw, I used xmp preset1 first, then everything else

[safe swallow]

for checking clocks

my board shits itself if I try to overclock overtop xmp

I just did manual

[keen pagoda]

Advanced dram settings too?

[safe swallow]

?

[keen pagoda]

Is there any calculator that can give settings?

[safe swallow]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

have fun

[glacial kayak]

Send zentimings screenshot of what you're running now

[safe swallow]

and/or that

[keen pagoda]

one sec

[safe swallow]

bro

trrd

they're

really bad

just set them 4/4/16

trrds/trrdl/tfaw

[keen pagoda]

Hope I'm gonna boot after this

One sec

[safe swallow]

I've never had a kit that wouldn't do 4/4/16

also maybe try lower procodt for higher frequencies?

[keen pagoda]

Oh wow, it's booting

[glacial kayak]

Motherboard auto for Tfaw is 34 🥀

[safe swallow]

trrds 7

bro's running 2000mt/s

[keen pagoda]

Well, it's working stable

[safe swallow]

wait shit right tfwa was 34

bro was running 1600mt/s

[keen pagoda]

How much tho? Boots on 48, which is typical for 3600?

[safe swallow]

highly depends on the motherboard

but the lower it is, the easier it is to run high frequencies

but you also get less stable

I have issues cold booting below 32

oh yeah, I'm running 40 but that's actually pretty high for my 3800 mt/s

[keen pagoda]

Lmao what, it's booting

[safe swallow]

40 is still pretty high

[keen pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/burnice-freaky-rizz-damn-dayum-gif-56944065053465752

[safe swallow]

this isn't a performance setting

it's a termination resistance

[dusky wave]

Burnice my wivfe

[safe swallow]

getting it lower won't make anything perform better

[dusky wave]

Virgin - I can fix her

Chad - She doesnt need fixing

[keen pagoda]

True

[keen pagoda]

I understand, but now it's booting, which is good

Maybe I should try to go balls deep 3800

[safe swallow]

you need to hit a gold ticket on your imc quality

[glacial kayak]

Booting is not stable

[keen pagoda]

I know, before it was in reboot loop

[glacial kayak]

You need to start testing before you want 3800

[safe swallow]

I actually swapped cpus with my friend because his could do 3800 and mine maxed out at 3733

[keen pagoda]

I'm testing rn

[safe swallow]

just from procodt?

[keen pagoda]

Yup

[safe swallow]

so you're getting less stable from lowering it?

[keen pagoda]

Ugly

[keen pagoda]

Nope, the other way, I wasn't able to boot 3600 when it was set auto

[safe swallow]

oh, then yeah

[keen pagoda]

Ah wait, maybe it was trying to boot with too low setting

Well, I closed everything, second test goes smoothly

Blue screen, lol

Probably those drams with Kingston chips

[safe swallow]

there are no kingston chips

[keen pagoda]

Oh well

One sec

Strange, isn't?

[waxen delta]

It's weird for me because dx11 I see CPU usage jump to 80% after a few minutes but vk is completely chill and does nothing weird

[safe swallow]

they can put anything there, but kingston doesn't produce chips, it's either samsung, hynix or micron

possibly nanya?

but that's

barely real

[keen pagoda]

Maybe those sticks are just counterfeit at this point, idk

[safe swallow]

on the sticker

damn doesn't even specify the die

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[keen pagoda]

If only scum altman didn't exist

I would just buy a new set of dram

Yup, it's not stable on 40 ohm, but the test is still ongoing with 48

[scenic comet]

Try VSOC 1.1-1.15 and maybe lower ProcODT to 34-36.9?
And VDIMM around 1.4-1.45V should be safe.
If you can throw in ThaiphoonBurner report, might get some better info.

[sturdy osprey]

i wish memory could just be auto oced

especially with ddr5 how are you even sure that your oc is stable lol

[arctic echo]

This is why ECC needs to become standard. /j

Don't know how that interacts with DDR5 internal error correction stuff actually.

[sturdy osprey]

all ddr5 have on die ecc by spec

but servers also correct bits when they go between cpu and ram

but thats not relevant there

the memory module is hiding error rate

[dusky wave]

Midfield became Ramfield

[glacial kayak]

in the end, all pc discussions turn into ram overclocking

[gloomy tulip]

How important is it for low end ryzen 5000 tho

I just opted for the manufacture tuned 3600 on my ram and never cared about it

[dusky wave]

Depends on the game

Skyblim with it's drawcalls heavy modded stuff

I saw a 30% increase to perf from stock DDR5 to tuned DDR5

[gloomy tulip]

DDR4

[dusky wave]

No more ram for you now

Altman bought it all up

[gloomy tulip]

It’s not supported on my mb anyway

[sturdy osprey]

all ram goes into ai that can generate skibidi toilet movie

[gloomy tulip]

The most intensive game I play is endfield

[glacial kayak]

Diminishing returns set in quicker but tuning trrds/ttrdl/Tfaw is all you really need to do on a basic level

You're already at 3600 so you won't get any Fclk bumps which is the most important thing for ryzen

[gloomy tulip]

Oh well I rather not tinker with the ram now that altman took all of them

[arctic echo]

Doesn't have to be server stuff for that. Ryzen pretty much all supports ECC. Though the RAM itself would be geared towards server use since consumer ECC never became a thing.

[gloomy tulip]

Im sure these are horrible XD

[arctic echo]

It's nice cause you can "test" OC in actual applications. Windows event viewer can show if any corrected errors occurred

[glacial kayak]

Not all ECC is the same

Consumer ryzen AFAIK only supports single bit unbuffered ECC

And not all boards explicitly support it

[safe swallow]

that's not horrible, that's just xmp

[arctic echo]

True, but that's good enough. And better than the norm of no ECC

[glacial kayak]

Yeah, it just also makes things kind of confusing

I was gonna throw some in my nas but it was a nightmare to shop for

[arctic echo]

Yeah, it's difficult to find unfortunately.

[keen pagoda]

vdimm is not stable on 1.4, but work ok on 1.3, and I can't do anything lower than procodt 48

And I use dynamic vsoc - +0.025

[woeful raven]

Minor Update

• moved some color grading functions to before tonemapping
• rebased with upstream
• includes all changes from previous patch

[delicate escarp]

Guys, I'd like to ask about the issue with the screenshots. Some people said the screenshots I sent looked gray. Could you please tell me what the problem is?

[woeful raven]

Tell them to click on the screenshot

and wait for it to load

[delicate escarp]

ok. thank you

[jovial tiger]

Aint no way ray tracing in Endfield?! 😱

https://gamebanana.com/wips/98438

[twin haven]

what's more transformative? RT shadow or GI? i feel it's GI

[gloomy tulip]

# credits
Pascal Gilcher: rtgi
Tokoaee: Aemeath over Chen (was using it cz it's really a good mod XD)

hmmm

Is it just screenspace RT

# req:
card with gg raster performance, rx 6600 xt/ rtx 3060 or greater (for minimal ghosting and playable experience).
this's not as demanding as native rt basically, tho you shld expect much ghostings in system bellow that.

Software RT too

this is well adjusted preset of marty mcfly rtgi, and this will safe you hours of manual tweaking, of finding rt adjustment that works in Enfield.

So just a preset

😂

[jovial tiger]

Yeah just a preset that tanks your performance sadly

[dusky wave]

BRUHHHH

oh nevermind

Miru already mentioned

[dusky wave]

Kinda need both, GI has more presence but at the same time having correct "occlusion" via shadowing is a requirement.

Otherwise you end up with light leak and abysmal grounding because a bunch of materials lack shadowing

Many games have abysmal shadowcasting for light sources

by that I mean none

OK, GI will add bounced lighting but having a bright ass light source cast no shadows is also ASS

RTAO is probably the least important RT effect imo

GTAO and co do a pretty good job

Then again AO is just a hack for a lack of good GI

[sturdy osprey]

did they finally make anti cheat work

[fleet socket]

works fine for me

[sturdy osprey]

oh wait

thats cuz i had cheat engine opened

OmegaKek

[sudden nest]

ban speedrun

[brittle abyss]

Small question for fellow pixel peepers : @dusky wave , @woeful raven, how much film grain would you guys recommend ?

[dusky wave]

DependsTM on FPS and resolution

film grain at 60FPS is going to be more noticeable than at 120

its also an issue I run into where it looks good in motion but once I take a pic, the image is just full of film grain

Soo I'd say 40 is a goodish amount

20-40

anywhere around there

[brittle abyss]

1440p - 180fps

[brittle abyss]

Thanks. I'll start there and see how it goes 😉

I've been toturing myself on the appropriate amount for the last few days.

I might want to revisit a potential ASD diagnosis😅 ...

[fleet hatch]

i like to set film grain at the level where i just begin to notice it in motion

[sturdy osprey]

what is it useful for

[brittle abyss]

Well when its good and subtle enough, it can (among other things) kinda trick your brain into perceiving the image as more realistic than it actually is. Since said brain is used to see it in all movies even if you don't consciously notice it.

And it can sometimes help a bit with some banding atifacts if I remember correctly.

[fleet hatch]

yeah it reduces banding and can add a slight sharpening effect. i like it since it makes the image less "sterile"

[brittle abyss]

Yes it can also add a very slight "roughness" to the image that can be perceived as more texture detail.

It is after all a result off the actual texture off photographic film. Even though it was/is close enough to smooth, it is after all a type of paper. It is slightly textured.

And it can have artistic intent behind it. It would for example be pretty weird to have a chaotic war film have a completely clean frame. Or it can be a historical evocation. Same thing : a movie set in the 1930s without any noticeable film grain would feel out of place.

[scenic comet]

In my expereince, dynamic vsoc was the cause of most of my bluescreens, but my setup is somewhat different from yours (570x, 5600x, B-Die DDR4 sticks).

[brittle abyss]

Ok I just finished msq. We are indeed dropped in the middle of nowhere. That's a bit unsettling.

[keen vigil]

HSR was way worse

It stopped in like a sidequest

[glacial kayak]

this is a fundamental truth of the universe

[rustic echo]

it's the genshin problem where you want to target a market segment, but don't have the full content to do it, so they chose to sell on promises

[rustic echo]

wow the game looks...different...from just a little reorder.

[keen pagoda]

Lmao

[frigid mural]

May I publicly discuss modifying the RenoDX for Endfield files here? I’m not sure whether that would violate copyright or similar rules, but based on the license on GitHub it seems like it should be allowed?

[grizzled saddle]

It's fine 👍

[frigid mural]

Here’s what happened. Earlier I asked about the “ReShade before UI” option — I want it to skip the UI without affecting the character. I also tried using ReshadeEffectShaderToggler to skip only the UI, but it doesn’t seem compatible with RenoDX. It only works properly when I turn RenoDX off (which is kind of pointless lol), and because of pixel shader “pollution” the results aren’t stable across different scenes.

Forge explained a bit about how RenoDX and ReshadeEffectShaderToggler work, and after that I tried editing RenoDX to get the behavior I wanted. Since I’m not a programmer and basically have no real coding skills, I could only barely manage to do it. In the end I did get the effect I wanted, but the build produced a lot of yellow warnings (and I honestly don’t understand what they mean).

Anyway, what I’m getting at is: it seems like implementing this doesn’t actually need many code changes? All I did was follow Forge’s suggestion — I commented out the “grass/foliage deferred” section in the .cpp file, and then uncommented the “Uberpost” section.

So is it possible we could get a new option in a future update that keeps skipping the UI without skipping the character? Because I’m honestly not sure if I messed something up along the way, haha.

[woeful raven]

It already skips the UI and doesnt affect the character...?

Unless you're saying you want it to affect the characters

[woeful raven]

Yes you uncommented out the uberpost bypass path i left behind

It will show artifacts with fog and AO and dof

Because it doesnt bypass that

@dusky wave since we're not using reshade for AO anymore, how about nuking the option entirely

[dusky wave]

go ahead

I dont care about that option anymore

[woeful raven]

I'll bundle that with the next update

[frigid mural]

[woeful raven]

REST works fine tbh

just copy all of the uberpost hash

and use all those hash via rest

[brittle abyss]

Didn't full res GTAO just break ?

[fleet socket]

no that im aware of?

[brittle abyss]

I don't now. Feels like grass gets ao shimering in wuling where it wasn't before. But Valley IV is 100% fine so maybe it's the rain + ao + grain that makes me see shimering... Not sure.

[sturdy osprey]

which AA do you use

and what res

or if rcas

[grim kiln]

If/when this gets a fully fledge RenoVK addon optiscalar's latest release now supports fsr 4 on vulkan absolutely clowning AMD right now

[brittle abyss]

DLAA 1440p. I do use RCAS.

[sudden nest]

amd gpu department is made up of 3 dudes and a monkey

give them a break

[grim kiln]

Sure feels that way sometimes

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-typing-monkey-working-hard-funny-animals-type-writer-gif-12177139

[glacial kayak]

and the monkey is the same one that codes nvidia's display engine

[sturdy osprey]

i think its likely you have overkill sharpness

and it shows on the grass

usually anything thin and long shows that the image is oversharpened

like laev hair also

[brittle abyss]

You are slandering Lilium-sama. You can never have to much RCAS

Shame on thee

More seriously I already tried without. I still see it.

[steel tusk]

I'm beyond satisfied. Texture pop-in is definitely more noticeable in DX11, but RenoDX is such a game-changer that there's no way I can go back without it.

[narrow lagoon]

why is default display output US CRT?

[dusky wave]

it shouldnt be

default is US Modern = 0

Unless we changed it by accident

[narrow lagoon]

i was wondering why it looked sus

[dusky wave]

Thats just the text

I dunno why the text mentions US CRT as default

[narrow lagoon]

i see ty

[dusky wave]

but we have set it to 0 e.g US Modern

[fleet socket]

does it really differ between the two renderers? i find it a bit hard to believe

[dusky wave]

DependsTM on the game

BG3 for instance has pretty bad texture streaming, VK was slightly better than DX11

however SK + texture caching with DX11 solved it

meanwhile VK gets cucked

[fleet socket]

oh i mean sure. but in this game i find hard to believe since its unity. id assume both renderers are the same since they have the same settings

[steel tusk]

It might have been related to the transparency removal mod I was using, which was the only mod installed at the time. After switching to another transparency mod and updating to the latest RenoDX from this forum, it seems noticeably better now.

[brittle abyss]

Ok. I'm definitive. Full res GTAO definitely broke for me for apparent reason. This is making me crazy.

Currently using ArkfieldEnhancer with RenoDX and it worked splendidly until yesterday. Safe for reshade itself (wich I will do shortly) I have deleted and reinstalled everything, as well as forced shaders to recompile, but to no avail. It is especialy visible when ao is apllying on grass that is already in shadow. I'm not even certain the game as been patched recently, or If anyone else even has my problem. Still, any input would be welcome !

[fleet socket]

do the other settings work, like disabling AA? (asking for that one since its super noticeable)

[brittle abyss]

let me try

nope

what in the hell possibly changed

read only or not makes no difference right ?

Unlocked fps works though

[fleet socket]

you reinstalled everything, right? did you make sure to run the GFX executable instead of the fps unlocker one?

[brittle abyss]

ArknightEnhancer right ?

[fleet socket]

EndfieldEnhancer1.03.exe