Arknights + AK Endfield

[stable lava]

case in point with Just Cause 3 Luma

broken engine? no problem DLSS still looks good

[dusky wave]

Jensen tech just better

Truly goated

Imagine a game with perfected mvs

Would run like butter

[stable lava]

total jensen victory

[woeful raven]

Jensen tech accounts for

ahem

lazy devs

[fleet socket]

if i disable AA entirely, the issue is gone. so something broke the jitter i guess lol

[dusky wave]

Time to implement Decima jitter

Kevin was right

They hated the man because he spoke the truth

[rustic echo]

I need more jensen tech here. please forge, can you add more DLSS to everything?

[fleet socket]

weirdly enough, if i use anything but fsr4 (like xess, fsr3, fsr2), the issue is not present lol

[dusky wave]

Dunno what else there is left

Need SSR forced full res UAVs

and LOD / draw distance increase

and more / better story content

End game out tomo I think alongside patch

[rustic echo]

oh right...the weekly i couldn't clear

i'm far far behind, not even end of main story for me. still in dating mode

it was a very good HDR dating mode

[woeful raven]

Lod thing might be a bust

Well

Since theyre using their own lodslop

From the interview

Ssr is almost a bust too

[tidal finch]

noooo

[rustic echo]

I think it's...fine...AO...mission accomplished? sorta, maybe? umm tbd-almost?

[serene bridge]

fps unlocker thing is kinda buggy, randomly turns off and caps itself back at 120, but at least the graphics improvements work

[woeful raven]

🤷‍♂️

Did you change any settings

[stable lava]

i just relocked to 120

[woeful raven]

It might be that you changed a setting that triggers the re-loading of settings which puts the memory back inplace

[serene bridge]

didn't change any settings, i can trigger it pretty consistently in character menu

[woeful raven]

Send a video

I could get it fixed

The graphics settings one wont have issues though

Due to its brute force nature

[serene bridge]

laevatain always stuck at 120

gilberta uncapped then drops to 120 after her animation

[spiral imp]

gilberta dif

best girl

[stable lava]

200fps in a menu what in the sloppa

[dusky wave]

Pclets when lavacake is only 120 gigafarts per millimetre instead of 240 shittapixels per zoomecond

[serene bridge]

i mean 200 fps is doable outside of the menu too, if I turn off my RTGI sloppa

[rustic echo]

baba's GI shader now does HDR

[gloomy tulip]

I fixed wobbly AO, it's because point sampling snapping the uv

It's an issue even in vanilla shader

I guess DLSS doesnt have such mistake

[sturdy osprey]

Do the ziplines look good for you guys on dlss

With fsr4 they arent pixelated anymore but they are pulsing when moving the camera

Idk if thats the shader doing weird shit or whether its intentional or not

[rustic echo]

everything fine now on dlss except for SSR resolution

[robust wagon]

Does DLAA consume less performance than TAA?

[sturdy osprey]

No

[rustic echo]

more, a lot more

and even more if you're using preset M/L

[rustic echo]

so...i think i may know where the memory leak comes from...it's been a long time bug when you swap dls presets/fg/or turn on and off/ resources both ram and vram usually doesn't recover....and Endfield going to the menu...blows up dlss..

[woeful raven]

dlss slop is one factor

but the game still leaks when you go to TAAU

it just leaks faster with dlss

not new

[rustic echo]

well there's that, but turning off and on dlss is prime suspect for vram leak and memory leak

I've done it plenty of times in games, since I mess with dlss settings a lot as part of testing, you don't want to keep messing with dlss over and over in game

and endfield is doing it like can of coke

[woeful raven]

sure

but it doesnt really solve the root of the problem

turn on the game never mess with dlss you'll still have to restart it

[rustic echo]

a lot longer sessions at least.

[woeful raven]

with dlss on you'll just have to restart faster even if you dont toggle it on/off

[safe swallow]

I actually don't think I have memory leaking at all

[brittle kiln]

Which one is that ?

[brittle abyss]

Freakin storm. Stuck away from technology for at least 3 to 4 more days. This is a conspiracy

[twin haven]

we call that technology withdrawal symptom or TWS for short

[brittle abyss]

That makes sense😭

[brittle abyss]

Fate intervened ! It would seem I wont have to take a train to take a bus to take an uber to get to my hallowed vehicle. I can already feel the sensuous breath of sweet civilization down my neck...

😇

I can feel myself ascending

[dusky wave]

What zero gacha for 2 weeks does to a mf

[gloomy tulip]

@dusky wave Oh yeah about this, if you are referencing my temporal shader in the addon, it was fixed there, so would your mod's I think

Cause I did bilinear sampling for the previous AO to correct the sampling

[meager igloo]

can I set GTAO to a non-integer value in EndfieldGFX.ini

say 1.5x

well, more like do I need that for 4K DLSS Perf mode

or is 1.0x fine

[woeful raven]

1.0 is fine

2.0 is just downsampling

So you're doing 4K AO buffer -> 1080p -> back to 4k with dlss

Instead of 1080p -> 1080p -> 4k

[dusky wave]

so its not MV caused?

I'll check it out, I really want to solve SSR wobble

low res is one thing but the SSR constantly wobbling when moving the camera is dreadful

[woeful raven]

Remember some wobble is not bc of the effect ur tryna fix

But of their

Bespoke™ lod system

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah the sampler is point sampler, which will snap to pixel grid coordinates, so when sampling previous color/AO, you must do bilinear sampling with the point sampler (do not do this to previous depth)

[rustic echo]

Barbatos, her GI is in pre-release, so only on her discord and not her repo yet

[rustic echo]

I feel like at some point you'll just run out of vram unless you're rocking a 5090 or 4090

[meager igloo]

well if non-integers are allowed then I could fine-tune it, say 1.2x

but I'm using 1x now anyway

[spiral imp]

mby I don't understand what you're talking about but when I set gtaores to 1 the striped pattern comes back

[brittle kiln]

👁️ ty

[rustic echo]

It's very good btw, decently lightweght and gives you that slight "color" enfield lacks because it can't afford RT

[dusky wave]

Base game always runs half res

1. You run 3840x2160 as your global screen res (DLAA or TAAU 100%)
2. GTAO runs at half res so 1080p on the UAV g-buffer
3. If you now use upscaling, GTAO UAV's will be not only half res of screen res but also upscaled now so 4K DLSS Q gets you 720p GTAO UAVs

The tweak on the other hand works like this

1. Setting GTAO = 1 will double the res of the UAVs back to native screen res e.g 3840x2160
2. However if you use upscaling, all of the GTAO UAVs will be upscaled e.g 4K DLSS Q gets you 2560x1440p GTAO UAVs for all the GTAO passes
3. If you set GTAO = 2, it wont double UAVs to now use 8K. It will instead make upscaled res UAVs use native res up until the last GTAO pass (spatial avg shader) where it downscales to match upscaling res e.g 1440p in this case

I tried settings GTAO=3 or =4

didnt seem to do anything

SSR is still griefed

and DoF just randomly decides if its going to either use native res or half res depending on cutscene

COOKED

[spiral imp]

I think I understand

[gloomy tulip]

What is the point of 2 and above huh

[spiral imp]

doesn't that mean gtao=1 would be the same as gtao=2 if I'm not using any upscaler?

[gloomy tulip]

Like depth buffer is only as big as the rendering res

Wasted computation without any improvement

[rustic echo]

technically there's a difference, visual, none

[dusky wave]

GTAO = 1 does 2560x1440p for all passes
GTAO = 2 does 3840x2610 for all and then downscales to 1440p for the last GTAO pass

= 2 isnt doubling native res

[gloomy tulip]

Shouldnt it be the same resolution for all passes

Like 1 = native/render res would be the max quality

[rustic echo]

wait so 1 isn't full but half?

[dusky wave]

= 1 is full

[gloomy tulip]

2 is just like decrasing the blur weights and sample radius while wasting vram

[dusky wave]

game is piss easy to run

lets waste perf

[rustic echo]

so 2 downscales, and doesn't give 2x, because it detects native res before it finishes the pass?

[dusky wave]

something like that

[gloomy tulip]

Because rendering higher res than rendering res is just fabricating fake pixels that are interpolated

[rustic echo]

so it's not like output resolution, can't get fancy zoomed in grass is what you're saying

[dusky wave]

IRP = inverse rendered pixels

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah the information to generate higher resolution pixels doesnt exist in the first place

[dusky wave]

no... the GTAO hack is janky since the author mentioned the res being hardcoded

They had to do some weird forced thing

where they double the half res

[rustic echo]

ah, but still creative way to do it. It's like telling DLSS what DLSS wanted in the firts place

[gloomy tulip]

Rather than rendering at higher res than native, you could use that to do better temporal and spatial filtering

[rustic echo]

DLSS doesn't want your puny quarter res mips

[gloomy tulip]

I'm rewriting my temporal filter right now, the ghosting is not good still

[dusky wave]

rewrite engine

let me email HyperGryph

[gloomy tulip]

I need to find out how reno clone pipelines and insert new tables, i don't think I want to recreate pipelines for deferred lighting passes when I tried to add GTAO-GI

[rustic echo]

I mean after all the upgrades, and having to still use TAAU aside. After adding in baba's GI, endfield looks pretty much like a modern game

sure I need smooth motion, but that's a reno problem

it's pretty beautiful

It's like an engine you have need additional unpaid labor on haha

[sturdy osprey]

atp add pathtracing to it

[gloomy tulip]

too bad i cant check dlss shaders in nsight

[dusky wave]

omw to add DX12 proxy for DX11 pathtracing

[gloomy tulip]

would love to know if dlss is sampling previous samples correctly

[sturdy osprey]

hg would like to know too prob

[dusky wave]

[rustic echo]

they reported made like 1.6bil off endfield just from launch. They have the budget to put pathtracing in the game (they won't like hoyo slop).

[gloomy tulip]

but i think nvidia is way more component than whoever wrote ao for this game

[sturdy osprey]

dlss implementation needs some effort

[dusky wave]

soz budget when into Yvonnes MASSIVE bakery and buns

[stable lava]

let's email jensen so nvidia adds pt

and rr

[dusky wave]

Not Kevin approved

game has static lighting

baking would be better

[gloomy tulip]

Game already has baked every thing 🙁

Light probes + reflection probes

[rustic echo]

ya nothing is dynamic in endfield

well whatever cloud shadows is i'm sure is fake

[dusky wave]

it looks bad

the skybox will have no clouds

directly above you

but theres cloud shadows

[rustic echo]

how are they going to RT that?

[dusky wave]

(they wont)

[rustic echo]

RT(R)

[gloomy tulip]

The cloud shadows are just post effect

[stable lava]

don't care still need to make bakecels mad

[rustic echo]

technically they can do RTGI, they just need to shove in a static sun

the cloud shadows can be blended

crappy but blended

[dusky wave]

RTGI drops with 240p UAVs

lets hope DLSS 4.5 can denoise

[sturdy osprey]

it can

but not as well as RR

i wouldnt be surprised if nvidia drops a nuke with dlss 5

that makes amd look like cavemen

raytracing wise

[dusky wave]

exclusive to Lackwell and whatever next gen is

older GPUs are going to die with these increases to compute

[sturdy osprey]

2 more years, they dont have enough vram for 2027

[dusky wave]

Just buy a 6090

48geeegaabtyes

[sturdy osprey]

atp im surprised that 5090 is still being sold

cheapest 5090 is almost 5000 usd here rn

[stable lava]

dlss5 be like
hallucinate everything from 16x9 pixels

[sturdy osprey]

https://klipy.com/gifs/vince-mcmahon-shocked-1

[dusky wave]

DLSS5 will be reintroducing neural shit

because Lackwell isnt using any of it

its all just demos

[sturdy osprey]

dlss 4.5 can almost do that

[stable lava]

neural shader when

[dusky wave]

Grok implement neural cloth shaders for Gilbert

make no mistakes

oh wait

we'd need vulkan

[sturdy osprey]

remember the demo where rtx face or whatever it was called swapped the face to AI generated

[brittle kiln]

can you please share your settings for baba's GI? mine looks a bit crazy. do you use marty's motion vectors?

[rustic echo]

no, baba's motionflow, it's more lightweight and does fine for endfield

let me see if I can pull up my settings

did you set HDR10, and your peak brightness correctly?

[brittle kiln]

yea

oh is her motionflow on github, lemme check

[rustic echo]

yea

you might want to get her entire suite, or at least the textures

just in case it needs the textures

[sturdy osprey]

is it stable?

[rustic echo]

iick what's going on with my copy and paste...

[sturdy osprey]

im gonna need 8k to fix this on fsr4

[fleet socket]

fsr4 is kinda busted with this game and idk why. the latest addon version also broke the fsr4 jitter for me (but all other upscalers are fine)

[sturdy osprey]

the game quickly gets cpu capped seems like

i turned on super perf and my 6900xt is at 80% usage

cant get past 120-150fps

[rustic echo]

Off/on very slight but meaningful differences

[strong vault]

Yeah wuling is hard on my 5700X.

[sturdy osprey]

i got 5800x3d

[strong vault]

oof

[fleet socket]

the blending colors are nice, but won't this run into the same fog issues that have been discussed?

[sturdy osprey]

gotta buy 10800x3d to run mobile game

[sturdy osprey]

this is less of a difference than i thoguht there would be

[rustic echo]

I can amp up intensity to glow it like the moon, but I'm one of those that don't like the artifacts of trying to do it

[strong vault]

How much is the cost for that?

[rustic echo]

there's just limits to how much SSGI can attempt, before it has bad stuff (though baba seems to have a done a good job keeping the bad stuff out). Unlike Marty's RTGI, that just...goes all heck on artifactx

[sturdy osprey]

i wonder if we can decompile endfield

prob not, very likely they obfuscated it

[fleet socket]

isn't it kinda easy to look into the internals of a unity game?

[rustic echo]

I forgot, since I locked it to 60 and then smoothmotion it... it's pretty light, i think like maybe 1.5ms or around 7-10% of your fps, cheaper then RTAO basically

[sturdy osprey]

depends if its obfuscated

if its not its very easy to look into internals of any C# game

[rustic echo]

here's what happens if you blow it up like the sun, obviously not going to fly in what it did to her hair

[sturdy osprey]

yea we just need pathtracing atp

[dusky wave]

That's what the unlocker author is doing right now

And it's not the same as Unity

There's a bunch of custom HG slop

Which is a PITA

[rustic echo]

but also depend on lighting...as a good GI should here's one that's more pronouced cause it's just one light source

[brittle kiln]

oh ty, it's the material color bleed thing

[rustic echo]

lol yes, glowly glow glow, not good

If you need more fps, put rays to like 6, and steps to like 10 or 12

if you don't like the little extra AO, you can zero that out since you have GTAO

but it seems to not effect characters, so characters were a little bland to me without extra AO

[brittle kiln]

this indeed looks very good, now i have to cope with not using UI bypass

[rustic echo]

well you can I think, but it won't GI the characters

which gives them a little more realisim

and for some reason this GI is playing pretty nice with the UI anyway

barely can spot a difference

I think baba said she try to put a luminence mask detector to help with UI detection

[brittle kiln]

lol the glowy glow thing comes back if i turn ui bypass on , not sure why

[rustic echo]

It has to do with he UI pass, it f's with the HDR

if you turn on depthmap, you'll see it

the color buffer goes nuts between reshade bypass off/on

[brittle kiln]

ah yea 😮

[rustic echo]

baba actually has a fake sun function lol. It looks pretty nice, but more or less worthless except for taking screenshots

since half the time I can't even see the sun in endfield

[fluid patio]

The sharper reflections aren't working for me, do I need to use the fps unlocker alongside it to work? Trying to keep the amount of things I throw into the game folder as minimal as possible

[twin haven]

it worked when i was fiddling with it earlier, can you try preset #2 or something with it?

no fps anything unlocker

wait you're talking about SSR Reflection thingy thingy no? it worked with me before turning it off/on

[fluid patio]

Changing presets doens't fix it

[stable lava]

if you're using the enhancer (for the AO stuff), make sure to leave everything SSR related at default

[fluid patio]

off then on, no difference

Think my reshade is borked, some settings I've noticed have reset since I last changed it when I previously opened the game

Seems to happen anytime I've done large jumps is renodx version changes

Nvm, still broken

[mighty palm]

ehm...did anyone figure out how to use this mod with XXMI launcher, it just crashes the game for me...some dlls probably are conflicting

[mighty palm]

found the solution

camellya

[royal solar]

SMAA at ultra quality, not looking good

[median robin]

Spectrum is aware of the order of injection and might eventually make it so it happens without having to set it up like this, but for now it'll have to be done like that

[glacial kayak]

Of course it's not looking good, it's smaa

[dusky wave]

Nonsense

Just needs Decima jitter and it'll look good

[arctic echo]

Y'all memeing, but I'm pretty sure the SMAA option is straight up not working for some reason.

[woeful raven]

Provide proof

[strong vault]

If it doesnt look good that just proves its working frenzy

[arctic echo]

No AA, Marty's SMAA, enhancer SMAA=4

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[glacial kayak]

There is no difference between SMAA that is working well and SMAA is that not working at all

[dusky wave]

umm yes there is

if you zoom in 5000%

you will notice slightly less stairstepping

in one scenario

but yes SSSSMAAAA is cooked

always has been

[woeful raven]

yea

if you see SMAA that looks good

many such cases

[gloomy tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdO26hXe7fA
Only temporal accumulation is implemented but visibility bitmask AO seems way more stable (accumulating only 8 frames)

[sturdy osprey]

You are not finished with AO?

[gloomy tulip]

Well almost, just need to implement denoising later

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven

Giga omega tetra slop drop

Now add Pathtracing

[scenic comet]

Y'all are crazy skilled frfr

Now rewrite the engine and make Endfield run on my fridge with pathtracing!

[woeful raven]

I need to add decima jitter smaa first

[sudden nest]

nah port the game to ue5

[scenic comet]

naaaah, that's be naniteslop + lumenslop + extra taaslop!

[stable lava]

naniteslop = no atrocious LOD
lumenslop = good reflections
taaslop = good

[fleet socket]

all of those remove sovl from the game

[scenic comet]

on the other hand, UE5 allows easy .ini cvars customization most of the time...

[stable lava]

UE5 means UltraPlus

[brittle abyss]

That's basically a requirement at this point. Truer words were never spoken😂

[sudden nest]

lumen is old

now we have megalights

[spiral imp]

realistically, what might we be seeing from that new renodx thing

🤔

[woeful raven]

your mother

[fleet socket]

forge will rewrite the story

[fleet socket]

this is optiscaler fsr4 without and with reno. this only started happening after forge added the GTAO stuff

[compact garnet]

Hey guys I have a question, is there a way to use the Unlocker/Enhancer while running XXMI and reshade? I know how to inject Reshade with XXMI, just not sure if the enhancer/unlocker can be added into the mix.

[woeful raven]

why don't you download the unlocker and answer the question yourself

takes a hot minute

[compact garnet]

I did, that's why i was asking lol.

It didn't work, so I was wondering if you guys knew a way. Thanks anyways.

[woeful raven]

then just say that it's not working for you instead of oh maybe im not sure

i'll check xxmi in a bit

@dusky wave i should not have checked gamebanana

[dusky wave]

[dusky wave]

Pathtraced Last Rite clappers and Yvonnes MASSSIF bakery assets

• Decima jitter

• I remove dogshit vanilla linear fog and volumetrics and replace it with out own custom solution that doesnt have anti soul gas in interiors

[woeful raven]

something something brdf

[dusky wave]

I need to continue my read up on BRDF's that Joshua linked me

Need to add Callisto BRDF

Kevin will be proud

[stuck sandal]

isn't the one kevin likes specifically for skin?

[dusky wave]

He likes the whole BRDF

its just that they only used it in-game for small sections becasue of perf reasons

and skin

the rest of the game uses dogshit UEsloppa lambertian BRDF

with plastic ahh waxy metals

[stuck sandal]

🤔
a lot of the time you have seperate shading models for skin, hair, and everything else

I might need to rewatch that video

[dusky wave]

yep, I did find a part of Endfields BRDF

for hair

where is it lemme find it

[dusky wave]

@gloomy tulip

Any idea where the shading model is kept

Endfield has some bretty good materials

Want to figure out what maths they use

[gloomy tulip]

Tbh I dunno they probably use just regular brdf

[dusky wave]

Time to add

We wont even need RT

Callisto BRDF will carry us

[stuck sandal]

so it's just ggx + lambert with extensions?

smh

need the diffuse from titianfall 2

[dusky wave]

FULL version also uses clankers

[woeful raven]

Forge really maxslopping this game

Would be funny if he abandoned this in a few days for crimson desertoslop

[dusky wave]

I will

Midfield update 1.1 will probably happen aroudn the same time

as Dessert release

[stuck sandal]

unironically if your going to do brdf stuff do this
https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1024478/PBR-Diffuse-Lighting-for-GGX

[woeful raven]

Cant wait to remove every feature

Add bt709 -> dcip3 bt2020 stretching

And call it a day

[dusky wave]

imagine going back to vanilla probe glow slop

and vanilla AO

with no direct light modulation

abysmal

[woeful raven]

who will win
GTAO visibility bitmask, glow slop, HDR sun

or

Working Color Space: BT709 -> DCI-P3

[rustic echo]

Crimson desert is custom engine no? and it's PA...they do jank ass stuff

[dusky wave]

yep

own in house engine

blackspace or something

PA's grading is diabolical

I learnt that from BDO

code is utterly cursed

only some Japanslop games might beat it

[rustic echo]

stick to unity slop~

[dusky wave]

meanwhile in all the footage I've seen, grass lacks shadows or AO

character will walk into direct sun lights

and grass has no shadows

sloppa

"we use pathtraced GI solution"

Its AMD sponsored and in every gameplay vid I just see fireflies and noise out the ass

[woeful raven]

aight

wqhat's this crimson desert thing

new mmo slop?

[rustic echo]

no

[dusky wave]

Korean MMO slop devs decided to make a single player game

[rustic echo]

it's old mmo company that didn't know what to do with their fail attempt at a mmo, and made it SP

[dusky wave]

set in the same universe

[woeful raven]

single player

oh

[rustic echo]

it was suppose to be a sequel mmo, and they abandon it after like 5yrs and spent another 5 making it into a campain

it uses it's own custom RTGI system similar to nvidia restir

[dusky wave]

its pretty much ultra giga modded Skyblim

[woeful raven]

@grok remindme in 1 month

[dusky wave]

• RDR2

• Witcher

• BOTW

so maximum slop

[rustic echo]

I don't have high hopes for it, but we'll see...it's a long tooth development game, so a lot of work...and rework...and rework again put into it

[mighty palm]

maximum peak*

[rustic echo]

Endfield went through like 2 reworks~

[woeful raven]

there better be a day -1 mod for this

@dusky wave

[dusky wave]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1469072401450012774/1469072401450012774

Already have a thread open with custom banner

• Jon is helping

game will ship with HDR so framesloppa will work

with no flickering

unless ofc HDR path is utterly cursed

but SDR path is also cursed

[rustic echo]

it's a console game, so it'll have it's own HDR path likely

[rustic echo]

PSN practically demand HDR on every game

[dusky wave]

[rustic echo]

so games i see rig a front end with a massive jank AES somewhere

[dusky wave]

base HDR will be rip because SDR is rip

look at the above

torches are utterly chopped in SDR

dungeons have dorito chilli heatwave oranges

becuase of how much per channel RGB they use

but its even more cursed

becasue per channel is meant to hue shift pinks into oranges/yellows

meanwhile the torch flame here is still pink on top of everything else being tomato red now

[rustic echo]

whatever works, unless reviews are good, it'll be mostly console slop?

[dusky wave]

Fellas really enjoyed KCD2's HDR

INZANNNNE COLOURS

the fake gamut stretching made skintones into tomato reds

but they removed it now

[dusky wave]

ngl, looking at the callisto comparisons compared to rl MERL data pics

all current BRDFs look ass

[stuck sandal]

lol

if you get curious take a look at rtx remix's shading stuff

pretty bleeding edge

for games at least

[dusky wave]

yh its bleeding alright

my eyeballs are

from the default tonemapping

[stuck sandal]

it's not about the brdf you use
it's about how you use it

dark souls 2 lighting engine uses a barebones disney iirc

[dusky wave]

I completely skipped over the "lighting engine" part in your msg

I was about to say

dafuq is dis dude talking about

DS2 looks like ass

[keen vigil]

I`ll never emotionally recover from the bait and switch for DS2 from the previews and the release

The lighting was destroyed

[dusky wave]

PS3 cant into it

We needed to wait over a decade for Rage to add pathtracing into LE

to match vibes

[dusky wave]

Callisto has a section on reducing specular aliasing

DLSS 4.5 is fixed

Time to implement

[stuck sandal]

oh no

[dusky wave]

Let me fix specular aliasing

then add decima jitter + Kevin FXAA

I'll then hardcode removal of DLSS and TAAU

[stuck sandal]

lol

feel like decima jitter with dlss would be better than demica jitter + fxaa

[dusky wave]

THEY EVEN HAVE A SECTION ON DIFFUSE ANTIALIASING

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-fall-gif-18148860

[stuck sandal]

does this game even need it? lmao

[dusky wave]

If you want to use kino SMAA

[twin haven]

bro are you even coding for RenoDX at this point 😂

[woeful raven]

forge dont hit your opus 4.6 premium requests limit

[keen vigil]

Forge out here coding DLSS5 Endmin Version

[dusky wave]

The only issue I've seen thus far with materials is that fx shaders that handle particles and such have some aliasing with trashformer v2

The spaceship has thin glowing fx lines

and those shimmer a lot in motion

looks like DLSS 2 back in the day for Death Stranding

[twin haven]

yes the yellow lines

[stuck sandal]

this dude lmao

[dusky wave]

Cant wait to drop absolute heat for Endfield

then abandon

and blueball everyone with inferior version that only has HDR output as the updates come out

[woeful raven]

I'm relying more and more on my clanker

I'll refactor all the endfield stuff to make it easier for AIslop to patch

then next patch I already got a workflow so the clanker does everything

[dusky wave]

I am adding notes so even I remember wtf is going on

[woeful raven]

you just need to write a guide

a decently good one the clanker can read

let it do all the rest

[gloomy tulip]

New gen reno modders are master prompters XD

[woeful raven]

I recently stopped doing manual entry for my accounting reconciliation

was wasting too much time on that and it just clicked

[dusky wave]

Cant wait for them to shut down clanker usage for us plebs

[woeful raven]

"can i just carefully prompt for chat to do this"

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah i'm not sure how they can substain at current stage

Where money hasnt been made yet

[dusky wave]

I have some local models on my system

use stable diffusion and so on

Opus is far superior though

[woeful raven]

3x

[dusky wave]

9x

fast mode

[woeful raven]

what will I do once my free copilot pro and gemini pro expire

return to monkey 🐒

[dusky wave]

actually learn coding

and programming

[gloomy tulip]

Just shuffle around AI

[woeful raven]

never

by the time they expire the free tier model is gonna be as good as the current sota models anyways

[gloomy tulip]

Tell that the other AI outputs garbage but in your machinery superiority you can fix it

I've been doing that a lot XD

[woeful raven]

AI ragebaiter

before GTA 6

[dusky wave]

"You're totally right....the code isnt correct"

5 seconds before

"This is correct and should be working"

what not adding (and make no mistakes) to a prompt does to a mf

[keen vigil]

If error = true, then error = false;

Done

[dusky wave]

@stuck sandal looks to be standard Unity slop

Cook-Torrance + GGX distribution + Smith height visibility + Schlick Fresnel

[stuck sandal]

That's like what everybody uses I think, no?

[dusky wave]

pretty much

EveryoneUsesItSlop

We can do betta

[stuck sandal]

multiscatter ggx

[dusky wave]

game has it

[stuck sandal]

lmao

Yeah I don't know enough to be able to suggest anything to improve lol

[dusky wave]

Time to call in the ExpertTM

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

[stuck sandal]

screenspace shadows when?

like what they did in days gone

[dusky wave]

brooooooo

We have renderpass now

holy shit

I have to add

[stuck sandal]

have no clue how easy that is to add

lol

[dusky wave]

Grok

add Bend Studio shadows

Well we already have screenspaced shadows

7 passes

Time to see if we can modify exist code to frankenstein Bend's shadows

nice they have example code

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-rizz-gif-7498825386517350902

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-burger-fate-eat-zorakhub-gif-21664731

[dusky wave]

BRUH

they already use Bend's shadows

I by accident even set the hardening to match Bends SSS reference without realising via "improved shadows"

@stuck sandal

[stuck sandal]

bruuuh

lmao

[dusky wave]

So the OG shadow improvement tweak was actually just me setting Bend's recommended reference settings

without realising

🤣

[stuck sandal]

that's too good

[dusky wave]

As Joshua said

"bro is hearing the words of god"

[gloomy tulip]

It's joever SSR doesnt use linear sampler as well. SSR wobble town

[dusky wave]

I added Callisto BRDF

Cope edition

There's a bunch of data I don't have good access to

Let me test what it looks like in-game

Vanilla / Forge Callisto slop

weird, only applies to direct lighting

hmm guessing theres another shader I need to modify

having to mod the .asm is soo ass

with hlsl I could qucikly make modifications

I cant even do a test run with hlsl becasue all the lighting is borked

[woeful raven]

give opus both the hlsl and the .asm

and tell it to fix the .hlsl 3dmigotoslop decomp issue

and from there just mod the hlsl

[dusky wave]

Dunno chief, I already tried that previous

gave it .asm said dont even use decomp

translate from one to another

did so

still had broken lighting

becasue something something bytecode was different

[woeful raven]

maybe try codexslop 5.3

that new shizz might be banging

[dusky wave]

Chat

I think opus 4.6 finally fixed it

I am no longer freezing in valley pass TP

[woeful raven]

see u didnt trust your own boy opus enough

abysmal

[dusky wave]

Lighting doesn't break

Could it truly be

Rip no

Lighting is kinda borked

Shadows are doing strange things

[woeful raven]

[dusky wave]

only area with this problem

[woeful raven]

you could do that thing

where you ask it to add 10 morbillion debug sliders

and find out which pass was causing the slop

[dusky wave]

its just this area that has this problem in the corner

inb4 I move everything over to hlsl, waste my tokens and everything blows up

oh nope

I see it now

causes a black blob for shadows in quarry as well

[dusky wave]

fixed it

caused by NaNs

nope, still has some weird square thing

fuk it

going back to .asm

What I will do is test BRDF modding on hlsl atleast since lighting is broken anymore

[woeful raven]

ultramemers

[gloomy tulip]

How does it not work

Forge addon logic should be the same as my vulkan one. I tested all aspects available to me, the ping indicator all disappears

[dusky wave]

I did the same thing

I don't have an ultrameme so I can't test

Maybe there's a way via display commander?

I think there was a way to replicate 21:9 view

[gloomy tulip]

Probably use custom resolution in nv panel

Then set your desktop resolution to that

[woeful raven]

DC can force 21:9

Ill boot the game in a bit

[gloomy tulip]

Maybe 21 9 is using different shaders

[dusky wave]

I'm too busy working on TI BRDF

Grass looks nicer

[woeful raven]

We need to kill ultrameme users

Unless lg releases 5k2k 240hz 39" tomorrow

[dusky wave]

I'll become an ultramemer once 6090 drops and there's 5120x2160 240hz display

[woeful raven]

In which case i am the ultrameme

Yea

39 or 45 works for me

Slop 34 and 49 is tiny height wise

These days

[gloomy tulip]

Maybe the ping indicator model is different in ultra wide because it needs to move towards center instead on the corner

[woeful raven]

If i turn it on and it works the the ultramemer loses human rights

Lets see

[gloomy tulip]

Joever

[median robin]

I guess us ultramemers get to keep human rights a bit longer

[warm island]

Don't get me wrong I'm freaking loving the AO, reflections and all ther other ubgergigaomegaslopa improvements
It's just when I glance at those 3 lines burning my display I feel my wallet crying

Why tf do I need a latency indicator in that game anyways ? :3

[woeful raven]

unless you're using something retarded like 400 nits ui brightness

you'll replace the display before that ping indicator makes a dent

[stable lava]

i'm still seeing uid and ms indicator when the game does forced camera pans (1440p 16:9)
it's hidden in regular gameplay however

[woeful raven]

I've had 8000+ hours on oled with static ui slops

like wuwa gi or league of fucking legends

zero burn in

you're likely to see more burn in from using your desktop

[warm island]

Maybe you're right. Did you notice a brightness decrease over time ?

[woeful raven]

no

your panel is already set up to account for that

these are hyper accelerated timelines for those burn in to be visible

[warm island]

Okay we're fine.. 🤣

Thanks

[sturdy osprey]

they are at 16k hours

and the panels are still alive

hmmmm so samsung did indeed nerf the panels for the warranty

i remember some older oled tvs malded out of existence at 10k hours

[woeful raven]

yes PC monitors are driven even more conservatively

which is why you see slop like peak 1000 dropping off like a wazoo past a certain %

[sturdy osprey]

g3 is cooked

[woeful raven]

MLAslop

raised blacks

[sturdy osprey]

yea tvs defo cook faster

[woeful raven]

yeah

[sturdy osprey]

dropped to 172nits

😭

my monitor has 6k hours so i guess i can cop it for another 6k

[woeful raven]

its ok

by the time it becomes actually annoying

you'd get a way better one

[dusky wave]

No I am not a consooooomer

I will use the same display for 50 years

[dusky wave]

brilliant

why didnt we think about that

btw

if you dont even run the game

theres no mem leak at all

[median robin]

LOL

[dusky wave]

[median robin]

well at least they acknowledged it now

[sturdy osprey]

if game uses 90% cpu, turn off the game

problem solved

dont play

[rustic echo]

It was pretty obvious once I saw the menu screen disable dlss

they can fix this, they just choose not to (yet)

[woeful raven]

its also obvious once you watch your memory climb while playing the game

[rustic echo]

I mean cause and result are different things...

[woeful raven]

you can distinctly watch it climb and slog faster on dlss

[rustic echo]

let's go wipe out humanity, cause human' suc is a solution i don't ever want to do...

[woeful raven]

never needed to on/off to see what's happening right before your eyes

[rustic echo]

no the act of turning on and off dlss is the cause of the leak

it's a long time dlss problem

[woeful raven]

seriously

no

you can keep dlss on

never go into the menu

[median robin]

it's also funny how the whole leak thing was introduced after the first patch they did

it wasn't a problem at launch

[woeful raven]

your leak will be faster

[rustic echo]

umm they didn't add DLSS till like 3 weeks before launch?

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/leek-gif-5912956

Leek

[woeful raven]

dlss on/off is just something you found cause u wanted to turn it on/off 10 times for some reason

[rustic echo]

IDK about that, I once was in the menu playing with some crafting and blueprints and I was ded in 10 minutes

[woeful raven]

if so then the simple solution is to just not touch it

[median robin]

there was a hotfix on the 1st or 2nd day which was when all the reports of it started appearing

I sure as hell didn't have a leak when playing the first day

[dusky wave]

I am about to touch you

[woeful raven]

if that was so simple then they would have stated that in their report

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/clannad-combo-tomoyo-tomoya-youhei-gif-14552752

[rustic echo]

But I expect it to leak in vulkan all the same. it's the same dlss issue

but lunar newyears is calling

f- that they said

[dusky wave]

We will get RT for chinese new year

[rustic echo]

what happened to your BRDF?

RT is just an illusion you make with your own hands

[dusky wave]

I dont know wtf I am doing 99% of the time but this is a 99.99 percentile moment

I will revist another time

[median robin]

Vulkan was confirmed to have the leak as well right?

[woeful raven]

miru was seeing the leak

so probably

[woeful raven]

oh yeah

least autistic endfielder

[median robin]

0 sanity moment

[dusky wave]

w^lingers

[rustic echo]

As they say in other gacha's people flex their characters, in endfield, they flex their engineering degree

[sturdy osprey]

what does it even improve

[median robin]

it automatically supplies your banks with the batteries they need instead of producing too much

depending on usage

[dusky wave]

pointless

just supply originium ore

[rustic echo]

technically pointless~

[median robin]

when has pointless ever stopped somebody

[rustic echo]

but realistically it's probably useful for if you haven't capped your factory, since variable power demand is quite an interesting take, instead of a depot full of maxed out batteries

as usualy steal from those who have engineering degree and claim it as your own.

[median robin]

I currently do it with a more simple system by just manually adding or removing splitters to my bank modules

I never once thought that I wish this was done automatically, but oh well

[rustic echo]

I was looking at putting a blue print and was like..why is this belt there..and then it blew my mind you can use belt converger this way...

[sturdy osprey]

but then how do you explain to fangyi why are you and your endfielder degree needed

[median robin]

it's kinda cool

[rustic echo]

engineer smarter then me, yep, I don't want to think

[dusky wave]

I just watched a slop vid were they said the secret to Endfield's grafix is....

Normal maps

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[sturdy osprey]

just do art well

[median robin]

sorry I lied, this is the adaptive battery version

same concept tho

[rustic echo]

is it? i remember the adaptive battery solution has a sandleaf in there to act as a toggle on/off switch

basically the sandleaf will clog the pipe when your above topped off in battery

realistically, just shove it full of battery and logging out is the better answer

[median robin]

it does a similar thing but with origocrusts instead

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1r28iaj/adaptive_power_generator_i_saw_on_bilibili/

you can read more here

but yes, put battery in and log out is better

[gleaming osprey]

I'm using all the resources available to me in wuling and I'm gaining on batteries without any overengineered nonsense. my factory fits very comfortably within the capacity of 2 thermal banks

[gloomy tulip]

Custom AO rendered in game

[dusky wave]

add bent normal shadows now

[gloomy tulip]

No AO vs custom XeGTAO

Need to make a vanilla on off toggle for comparison

[dusky wave]

looking good

[warm island]

I kinda like the softer feel of the grass in the first picture 😬

[gloomy tulip]

Well its all tweakable

Using all vanilla AO settings except visiblity bitmask

I could try implementing surface thickness

My PC is chugging XD

[dusky wave]

slop code

Kevin is not happy

On top of mem leaks, the game also randomly decides to full blaze some of your cpu cores

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah with full res its like 10% more GPU usage

[dusky wave]

it goes from 40c avg to 68c for me

[gleaming osprey]

How do you ignore all those "new item" dots on your UI, I could never

[gloomy tulip]

Because they are not red

My brain has been trained by modern slop UI

[dusky wave]

Time to add bent normal shadows, POE 2s radiance cascade GI solution and FFXVI's Tiled Deferred Lighting shadows

@woeful raven have you slopped in Swapchain V2 yet

[brittle abyss]

Wait, doesn't some of the best BRDF models use look-up tables ? How the hell would you even get that in there 😅 ? Are you doing blood magic or something ?

[median robin]

People are coping that the memory stuff was fixed with a 30 mb patch that came out a bit earlier

Anyone here able to test? Not home atm

[sturdy osprey]

tbh i didnt have any significant memory leaks

[brittle abyss]

Me neither

[median robin]

Like ever or today?

I had issues earlier today, but that was before the alleged patch

[brittle abyss]

Actively experiencing 2 weeks of constant improvement. The game looks so good😭

[brittle abyss]

Never really

[median robin]

[brittle abyss]

Maybe reno updates come out to quick for the leak to be problematic on my system ?😅

[jovial tiger]

I dont think so

Still eating away at everything

[median robin]

It was too good to be true

[jovial tiger]

[idle notch]

how about MFAA
thats also the same same but different right

[dusky wave]

not quite, MFAA (multi frame anti aliasing) takes samples from previous and current frame and combines them

its meant to give you MSAA 4x visauls for only MSAA 2x perf cost

Its helps better than simple post processing like FXAA or SMAA

its like a proto TAA I guess

wellll you also had TXAA before that

[dusky wave]

@gloomy tulip have you also added distance based thickness scaling for AO?

first is without, second is with

Looks a bit too much?

I'm going off the paper and saw they mentioned doing 'Increase t linearly over the distance'

[woeful raven]

No

Exponentially

Cover the entire image with ao

[dusky wave]

make everything black

perfect black floor

[woeful raven]

Make it like wuwa with autoexposure off

[gloomy tulip]

GTAO does thing in pixel radius, so far pixels already have larger radius than near I think

[dusky wave]

Previous / New

Gibs distant meshes a bit more AO shading (doesnt affect anything closer than 100m to the camera)

[rustic echo]

dragon...looks better?

is that the calisto think where shiny go bai bai?

[dusky wave]

Callisto BRDF has been taken out, I need to read more on it

since it wasnt working properly

if you look at the top of the tower and flick between both images

you'll see more AO

[dusky wave]

here you'll see more AO on the water wheel

[rustic echo]

that's really subtle

[gloomy tulip]

@dusky wave I think in wolfguard story, the weather in valley 4th became beta test

Almost has the same color

[dusky wave]

This and the intro attack on hub base sort of match the vibe

[sturdy osprey]

guys is it hypercopium if i claim that fsr4 with rcas is as good as dlss

[mighty palm]

clueless

[fleet socket]

sharpmaxx is always good

the sharper the better

[sturdy osprey]

that sharpening gets a little wonky on balanced- perf mode and below

but on quality rcas 75 is magic

[brittle abyss]

Well it depends what version to what version really. Didn't play look at it a lot since then, but image quality was certainly competitive with dlss 3 when it came out, and it got pretty close to dlss 4 in some select titles. Since I have no idea how fsr4 evolved since launch and that there is dlss 4.5 in the game now... Your take is as good as anyone's

@dusky wave Is there any stuff to mess with in EndfieldGFX.ini to mitigate the enhanced SSR's occasional noise ?

[dusky wave]

Email HG and tell them to use full res SSR

720p GTAO was utterly COOOOKED

but now that we can force full res

it looks good with our modifications

SSR will be the same

if we can get full res working, I then rework the denoiser again or just remove it out right

and fireflies will be minimised

Full res SSR + Ultra quality SSR will fix most issues

[strong vault]

I listed every half res stuff at latest survey

fix vulkan pls
fix half res pls
rt pls
hdr pls

[dusky wave]

how dafuq does this mofo know we use half res - HG

[strong vault]

I mean even if we didnt looked at the mfing code we still have eyes

[brittle abyss]

allright. So we gonna have to wait 😭. Honestly, that's pretty much the only blemish at this point. All current enhancements combined really make for a handsome looking game. It looks great.

[dusky wave]

I toggled to Off in reno menu to check

[strong vault]

Its just weird to me how less devs care I mean, you work for years in that game

Cant you just increase the res in the highest settings at least

It doesnt click in my head

[gleaming osprey]

Because they know idiots who can't run max settings will try to run max settings and complain about performance

[strong vault]

Filtered because of stupid people

[stable lava]

hide native res everything behind launch arg

[dusky wave]

too much work

for a feature 0.0001% of users

[waxen delta]

me in every hoyo survey for the last 3 years lol

CN gacha devs treat PC like an afterthought every time (except Kuro but that's a completely different problem)

[grizzled saddle]

Can anyone test vk FG with this?

[dusky wave]

I am assuming you mean just testing VK SDR FG alongside reshade?

since FG causes flickering with reno here

lemme do it

[dusky wave]

werks

game doesnt blow up

and FG does its thing

MFG included

[stable lava]

now if we could fix transformer flicker...

[dusky wave]

Grok... compile non dogshit trashformer .dll

[stable lava]

would dlss fix even work for vulkan? ig no one has tested it anyway

[frigid mural]

I have a 420 peak monitor, and it had same issue with yours. What I did was setting the 1000 peak in renodx, then enable the PQ clip point function (1000) on my monitor. let the monitor do the tone mapping work.

[strong vault]

dynamic fg dll will fix it trust

copium

[sturdy osprey]

guys in endfield enhancement what did you set PunctualLightShadowRes to

[stable lava]

forge rec'd to only change CSMShadowRes and CharacterShadowRes

other settings would break lighting

[onyx bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEQbFC2BIAc

shit there's factory building in this game?

pehaps i was too harsh

how does this game make money?

[sturdy osprey]

swipe for pulls

montly pass

etc

pot 5 costs 1000$

or 2000$ i forgot

[tidal finch]

The same as any other gacha

[stable lava]

waifus

[onyx bolt]

why buy them though

[woeful raven]

alright

[onyx bolt]

is it just cosmetics?

[woeful raven]

time to get bikini bottom fart shift in this game

[onyx bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-breaking-bad-dissapointed-meme-gif-8811468191959274051

[stable lava]

some waifus are more powerful than others so you may want them

for clearing content

[tidal finch]

Ok I see you genuinely have no idea

[dusky wave]

BlenderFarts and Mcdonalds bottom

[onyx bolt]

i've played genshin before just wondering how this game works

[dusky wave]

[dusky wave]

You are industrial space jesus

[tidal finch]

Exactly the same

[dusky wave]

and everyone glazes you

[tidal finch]

it earns money in the exact same way

[dusky wave]

because mfs apparently cant pick berries

or build a bridge

[tidal finch]

Basically 1% of top spenders fund 99% of the game

[stable lava]

we love whales

[sturdy osprey]

i saw dude on stream blow 800$

[dusky wave]

on what

dafuq you blow 800 dollaridos on

[sturdy osprey]

laev banner

[keen vigil]

I fucking love when the buildings fuck up the cutscenes

[dusky wave]

I spent £9 and got here as well

[sturdy osprey]

yea but he aimed for pot 5

[stable lava]

max potential everyone

[keen vigil]

I spent on the BP and welkin and have everyone besides Gilberta

[dusky wave]

The game is piss easy

wtf you doing with maxed pot

[stable lava]

brag

[dusky wave]

abysmal

[keen vigil]

To who?

[stable lava]

and faster clears

so you can post it on social media

[keen vigil]

Nobody thinks max pot chars are cool lmao

[stable lava]

and get hookers

[dusky wave]

MaxPotMaxxing

Anyways

I've done everything there is to do

game is mid now

I am moving on

enjpy

[stable lava]

you can port everything to vk now

[dusky wave]

You can

enjoy the stuttering

[keen vigil]

Lmao

[woeful raven]

@dusky wave

[dusky wave]

Time to check what it looks like

[woeful raven]

without any extra adjustments
oklab/mcd

mcdonald + 25 per ch blowout / oklab