Arknights + AK Endfield

[dusky wave]

Need to update Githooooob and Banana now

those fellas are still on some old ass version

[robust wagon]

wuwa better than ark?

[dusky wave]

Its all gatcha slop

pick your poison

Valley IV was kinda mid in comparison to Wuling

which means Endfiled falls under the category of 'gets better 50hrs in'

Then again, Jinzhou was also meh

Wulings design, OST and characters are an upgrade over Valley IV so lets see if they keep the momentum with newer patches

[stuck sandal]

so when are you upgrading the game's brdf?

[dusky wave]

accktually I saw some code

I didnt check what they use

but its not slop at the very least

their material work is very good, hard carries

[robust wagon]

👍

[stuck sandal]

one day someone will upgrade a brdf with reno and that will be sick

[dusky wave]

ME

[rustic echo]

Forge: We're on a missing to fix AO in Endfield with HDR.

result : Forge fixes everything but AO

[dusky wave]

pretty mucb, our only intention was to fix AO

[rustic echo]

maybe if you put this behind pateon you'll pay off lumemite enough to license you his LSAO to pay for the AO

"we have RT" (of the screen space kind)

[dusky wave]

My options are to use Miru's code to fix fog because VK has barriers that allow for so

or waitTM for Shortfuse to add Renderpass

that way I can split up fog

(I will have to split every deferred shader though which yh..... I dont want to do that)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQom1V9TdbM

@woeful raven imagine if these operator trailers where in-game and real time

but nooooooo, pre rendered SDR slop

[woeful raven]

[dusky wave]

babes... New challenge dropped

[woeful raven]

don't do it to yourself

[dusky wave]

update Banana

Theyre on a week old build

missing out on cum glass fix

nearly 600 plebs have downloaded it

600 users with no cum glass fix

[woeful raven]

oh

are we stable yet

[dusky wave]

I dunno

[woeful raven]

are u gonna tweak 90001 other things tmrw

[dusky wave]

What is left?

Rebakes all the lighting

Redoes the BRDF

[woeful raven]

um

adds decima jitter

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

[twin haven]

fucking HDR/code language you guys are speaking

truly gods

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

[dusky wave]

This has been on my mind

texture have this red tint thingy

I dont know if its an artefact or what

happens in SDR

You see it on faces as well

a couple frames before

[woeful raven]

comparison is the killer of joy

as such

simple reshade wrapper/launcher

1.3k

[rustic echo]

seriously are you going to give it the official label "cum glass"?

[woeful raven]

[dusky wave]

I picked it up from byberpunk

Sosuine called it that

it had the same issue, turn on RT/PT and glass turns into some milky cloudy bs

[dusky wave]

it renders before UI though

based on the pics

REST?

[rustic echo]

rest doesn't seem to work in vulkan?

[woeful raven]

nah

just none of those pictures show it

it will probably artifact if users open a noticeable menu

[dusky wave]

UI mask?

those used to be the cope days

have to make a texture that acts as UI mask

because you cant actually bypass the shader using reshade

[dusky wave]

nope, tends to crash and burn

[rustic echo]

ya i tried

can't even REST in DLSS

just TAAU

[mighty palm]

tbh you should edit the name of mod on gamebanana to "RenoDX - Native HDR and Graphical Enhancement for Endfield" or something like that, so people know its not just HDR mod camellya

if you wanna be famous of course

sideeye

[dusky wave]

SDR plebs think the addon is only for HDR

if plebs know it also gives you temu RTX

I will be a zintillonaire

[rustic echo]

ya you should rename it to SDR path upgrade

[dusky wave]

@tough nimbus ever seen something similar?

Dont even know how I would go about figuring this one out

Nsight and seeing the pipeline build up one by one perhaps until the thing appears

[tough nimbus]

no

[dusky wave]

what is this bulllllshit

why is this not happening with endfield

[copper stump]

please stop coming you're already emptied out from working on the mod

[dusky wave]

found another way to improve reflections

increase ray march precision

vanilla is 32

downside is the low internal res and the rest of the slop makes the shimmer more prominent since theres more stuff being reflected

its not fireflies, looks similar to z-fighting

@gloomy tulip I did something diabolical.... 4096 ray march steps

Still runs 120 locked so

Temu+ RT

@woeful raven Temu+ 2.0 RT just dropped

[woeful raven]

which way western man

[dusky wave]

yh bro I made SSR look as good as RT

increased ray marching steps by 128x the default amount

kevin isnt going to be happy about this one

[dusky wave]

I was correct

tolerance because tight in floating point precision

I pray, I can cope out a solution for this one

[gloomy tulip]

I added back the fractional weights of full res SSR for smoothish surface hmm

It goes like this

[gloomy tulip]

Looks good XD

[sturdy osprey]

the ssr improvement is only for nvidia gpus?

[dusky wave]

works for anyone

[gloomy tulip]

Hmm looks like this isnt correct XD

I think this is correct but the difference is really small, I guess most surfaces in this game are actually just very rough

Some stuff is clearer

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven Opus 4.6 built a C compiler for Linoooox

Its ogre

Opus 5 will make Reno dee eggs

our job is gone now

[dusky wave]

added this on my end

I saw there was some tonemapping baked in?

Reinhard compress

**Temu+ RT SSR has dropped **

• Increased ray marching steps to 256 (let me know if this blows up your PC compared to vanilla 32)
• Added above Miru code to ssr-upsample

[copper stump]

still includes non-RT ssr improvement?

[woeful raven]

there is no rt

forge is just naming it ironically

[stable lava]

this addon slowly became Luma at Home

[dusky wave]

When RenderPass for Reno drops it's over

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-rizz-gif-7498825386517350902

[stable lava]

anyday now

[dusky wave]

I'm going to be adding Pathtracing into every game

Reworking bloom

Reworking shaders

[stable lava]

rework dof first

[tidal finch]

rework LoD first

[woeful raven]

that's beyond the scope for reno

[tidal finch]

[woeful raven]

finish wuling first

[tidal finch]

Luma Lite time

[woeful raven]

still beyond the scope

just like how you can't magically increase shadow resolution to 4096

well you can, just not with any tools that can be shared here

[tidal finch]

huh, some leaked stuff or basically cheats?

[tidal finch]

Also, can't you inject into swapchain and just hijack the calls for LOD/shadows?
Or is this 100% engine stuff and would require modding the internals

[woeful raven]

• inject into swapchain
• to hijack the calls for lod/shadows

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[tidal finch]

I have no idea how this stuff works tbh

But yeah when you think about it, it doesn't make sense

[woeful raven]

the ssr toggle does hit some extra watts

@dusky wave

[strong vault]

[sturdy osprey]

How tf is it even possible to inject a render pass

Is that dx12/vulkan thing making trickology possible?

[meager igloo]

I don't see any brightness field for LSAO/RTAO

not in the code either..?

[idle notch]

yea but they burn in really quickly too
all my oled screen have the kb burnt in by the 2nd year or so

they actually do a lot of stuff to the picture
depending on the luminance of the room
i remember DXOmark actually measures how the EOTF shifts depending on the brightness of surroundings

like see

[idle notch]

wait i remember
if you set the vsync to "Fast" in nvcp for genshin, it unlocks the game's FPS

[meager igloo]

there isn't any though?

[strong vault]

Are you at latest version?

Kernel, LSAO and RTAO all have hdr whitepoint for me

[idle notch]

ayo even the text improved wtf

[meager igloo]

I guess? I got Lumenite shaders from GitHub like 2hrs ago. It's for DX11 right?

[strong vault]

Yes

[idle notch]

the count must grow

[gloomy tulip]

@dusky wave I found the rtx toggle in vk

[idle notch]

how far can we play with shaders and stuff before creeping into the bannable territory

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/maxlimit-fatpony-maxhorse-gif-25380696

[twin haven]

atp they will do the dev's works

[brittle abyss]

Your trolling right 😅 ?

[rustic echo]

na you can't unlock genshin fps, the animation is tied to it. your atks start wiffying if you unlock. The only real unlock was iOS. PC get no love.

[gloomy tulip]

Lmao yeah its just forced ssr making everything a mirror

[idle notch]

:sus:

i used to clear the abyss at 240fps without any issues

lemme redownload genshin
now im too curious

[sudden nest]

wasn't there a tool to unlock fps

I always used it when i was playing

[sturdy osprey]

im wondering too if there is a tool to unlock fps in endfield

[median robin]

there is

https://github.com/EightySixK/Arknights-Endfield-FPS-Unlocker

[sturdy osprey]

idk what devs are thinking

releasing a game with 120fps cap

[sturdy osprey]

ty

[sudden nest]

120 is fine for me, genshin was capped to 60 tho🤮

[idle notch]

yea i think i used to use the tool for genshin
and the vsync method for star rail

[sudden nest]

star rail has regedit method

[sturdy osprey]

i have 240hz monitor and im gonna use ALL OF IT

[sudden nest]

fair

i have 240 too but dont really care

[gloomy tulip]

I just saw people got banned from using playcover on mac os

So I think we are all cooked with renodx

[sudden nest]

dw forge will refund everyone

[idle notch]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

noo dont take away hdr from me now 🥀

[sturdy osprey]

this is a bit more than running reshade

[median robin]

uh oh

well at least we'll all go down together

where did you see these bans Miru?

[spiral imp]

did they get banned cuz of it or are they using it as an exucse

cuz the story is always the same

[strong vault]

I wont play if there is no Reno, so if it goes down I go down with it

[grizzled herald]

Same.

[slender wharf]

If they really started doing that I'm pretty sure we'd already have someone reporting getting hit here.

[gloomy tulip]

Hmmm I encountered a bug in VK with replacing shaders. When those wrist watch scifi style viedo starts playing, the graphics would freeze ERROR | Failed to submit immediate command list! with this error in reshade log

I removed all shaders, just used renodx::mods::shader::Use(fdw_reason, custom_shaders) without any shaders included, and the error will still show

VK might be cooked

[median robin]

this is what one of the people banned said

https://github.com/PlayCover/PlayCover/issues/2060

can read more here I guess

seems to have only affected CN accounts

[gloomy tulip]

Thats good news

[twin haven]

cn heavy in detection they even need chinw ID just to play

[median robin]

I believe they use a different AC than what we do as well?

[fleet socket]

i mean, most games are capped to 60 lol

120 is forward thinking even if still not ideal

the main issue is that it seems like a completely arbitrary cap

[median robin]

not suspicious at all

[fleet socket]

i saw that and was confused as well

though i assume it's just ESlism and using LLMs to write it

[median robin]

yeah the thing is open source, so it's probably fine, but it's still a bit iffy when the mod author doesn't use the correct API name

[sturdy osprey]

? endfield runs the same for me on dx11

[median robin]

Seems like people have different experiences. DX11 is the same if not slightly better for some

But yeah point was that the game doesn't have DX12 but VK

[gloomy tulip]

I just arrived at WuLing and AO is so bad there..

[sturdy osprey]

so much for unity

should have used unreal

smh

[stable lava]

fr fr

[robust wagon]

I already have dts headphoneX enabled in windows . do I still need to enable hrtf in ark?

[sudden nest]

jesus that lod

im gonna puke

[median robin]

A work of art

[stable lava]

optimized

nanite is useless just generate LoDs

[unkempt pulsar]

LOL i remember being in shock at this specific shot as well

[dusky wave]

We can modify shaders with Reno, actually changing the RTVs to increase AO, GI, SSR resolution

Modifying LODs

Modifying draw distance

All of that happens before the shader is even draw inside of the C+ engine code

Once RenderPass gets added, we will be able to create our own shader passes

So you can add in your own AO for instance

But all the other stuff is engine level controls, outside of my skill set.

I would need to reverse via IDA

[mighty palm]

this is still not even the worst lod shot in this game

deadge

[dusky wave]

RTX off / RTX on

[fluid patio]

Think it's too mirror-like

[dusky wave]

Dijon has very good cleaners

let me try another mip value

Where does this happen?

fuk

nothing can ever just work

[strong vault]

I know a place that happens

Give me a sec in a cutscene right now

@dusky wave

If you walk back and forth it pops in and pops out

[dusky wave]

ok, time to check

[woeful raven]

I think you should

meet with Mi Fu

[dusky wave]

I just saw the glass LOD change

abysmal

now I cant meet with Mi Fu

I have to fix it

[strong vault]

Cant stand having slop

kekw~1

[dusky wave]

whats wierd, is I tried undrawing as many shaders as I could and the change was still happening

I might have to use Wuwano's devkit

perhaps theres a split second where it uses a different shader

[dusky wave]

so the game spawns new shaders for a split second as you move around (for whatever reason)

it alternates between modified code and the new code

duped a bunch of shaders, time to see which one it is

[strong vault]

[fleet socket]

its the optimization... you wouldn't get it

[sturdy osprey]

Magical custom unity

[gloomy tulip]

Wuling is just a ragebaiting level with so many bad graphics..

[dusky wave]

They increased the strength of AO

compared to Valley IV

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah

[dusky wave]

so you see the wobble wobble

[gloomy tulip]

Like insane level of gamma

I think I have to go through my custom AO plan 😭

[dusky wave]

[sturdy osprey]

the taau is ghosting like mfer

[gloomy tulip]

I cant take it anymore

[dusky wave]

corrrect

[woeful raven]

we can all combine our work

if move over to vk

but you need to meet with mi fu first

[dusky wave]

If users stopped reporting bugs

I would

[gloomy tulip]

VK has some bug I'm not sure if its my fault

I removed all my shaders, removed all custom events and removed swapchain::use

Only shader::use remains without shader injection

When those conference videos play from your wrist watch, the game would freeze with vulkan complaining failed to submit immediate command list

[dusky wave]

VK borked too

ogre

[gloomy tulip]

DX11 wouldnt have this problem I think

Somewhere with the new pipeline could be wrong and vulkan couldnt execute the cmd list and just gets stuck

[gloomy tulip]

Only happened to me watching the video before going to wuling so far

Previous ones seemed fine I don't remember

[dusky wave]

Looking forward to DX13 games

Everything will be compute and mesh shaders

RT only

drop all the raster slop

[gloomy tulip]

I really don't wish that tbh

Nanite slop without LOD has huge issue with geometry edge

Almost made you wish MSAA would come back

[woeful raven]

japanese kevin

[dusky wave]

but think about Work Graphs

CPU perf saved

no more stuttering

Cooperative Vectors as well

Clankers will be able to generate stuff

Grok fix shimmer plz

[fiery raft]

will this be part of a future renodx file or is this part of the other raytracing stuff like discussed in the initial post?

[dusky wave]

There's no RT

This is just me modifying SSR

It's already included in the latest build

[fiery raft]

ah the rtx on vs off thing was just the meme huh

[dusky wave]

yh

its temu RT

sort of

[fiery raft]

isnt it just mirroring and applying filters to screen space stuff? xd

[dusky wave]

I 100% envision RT looking like that if it ships on PC

[dusky wave]

I modified their denoiser so theres less shimmering / firefly artefacts

[fiery raft]

didnt know ssr needs denoisers

[dusky wave]

It does

otherwise you get fireflies

shadows also use denoisers

well contact shadows / screenspaced shadows

I dont think CSMs need it

[fiery raft]

ray reconstruction when

[dusky wave]

🤷‍♂️

Would need some way to force it engine side

There's still stuff I want to 'modify' but all of it is engine side

its beyond my skill level as it would require IDA reversing

[fiery raft]

lets rewrite the rewrite of unity

[dusky wave]

ok fixed cum glass LODs flickering

I can finally meet up with Mi Fu

[woeful raven]

What if

Now you know how to fix cum glass LOD flicker

U go and fix AO LOD flicker

[strong vault]

bro wants to gatekeep mi fu

[dusky wave]

Meet with Hanako in Embers 2.0

• Fixed glass switching/flickering between modified and vanilla code

[dusky wave]

Oh would you look at that

DoF is also 720p

[woeful raven]

Its always half res of internal

540p with dlss perf

U could try dlaa K

[dusky wave]

I'm trying to understand why it sometimes looks pixelated and not other times

Maybe it's just cope

Time for me to add a disabled toggle

And that's it

[sturdy osprey]

its genius custom engine, you wouldnt get it

[runic dove]

it uses unity though

[sturdy osprey]

well they claimed its modified unity

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/arknights-endfield-devs-heavily-modified-unity-to-accommodate-the-games-100000-polygon-characters-models-and-massive-factory-systems/

[strong vault]

Secret mobile sauce

[waxen delta]

in the same way Genshin is modified unity so it's all weird

[dusky wave]

• Added more glass shaders

[idle notch]

atp dude's gonna fix all of the glass on the entire talos

[stable lava]

stop uncumming glasses

think about the hard work that went into making these cum glasses

[idle notch]

Ikr
It's the collective hardwork of the gooners

[dusky wave]

So thats it

They are really going to blue ball us like this

No final boss fight in Wuling or story completion on launch

Abysmal

This is what happens when you play a gatcha on launch

When I jumped into Wuwa there was billion updates worth of content

[idle notch]

riyal

[serene bridge]

time to go back, wuwa got real time cutscenes

[dusky wave]

The endmin glazing is unreal

Everywhere you go, everyone is

https://tenor.com/view/dick-jacking-off-gif-20655988

[woeful raven]

They learned from the rover school of glazing

[rustic echo]

Hey, hear me out, when you're on the brink of civilization ending. You need a sugar daddy.. And who better then someone that literally materializes things out of nothing

[dusky wave]

Steel Oath up in the North be like

@woeful raven @glacial kayak

What is the lore for OG like?

Plebbitors are saying Endfield is too happy

and causalised or something

[glacial kayak]

it's definitely sweeping past a bunch of the shit from og to ease people in

and that's just when you look at the shared elements like originium

terra has much more going on than talos

and yeah i would say it does feel casualized in comparison

[dusky wave]

Story so far is kinda meh

[dusky wave]

The blue balling

is crazy

just finished Act II chaper II and they said adios

[glacial kayak]

in arknights you open with your operators dying around you, everyone who knows you either hesitant or actively hateful of you, overall immediately darker tone

[dusky wave]

wait for 1.1

The date in Wuling was kinda out of field

felt more like something youd see in Wuwa or Hoyoslop

Man, why cant we have anime PBR/NPR thats darker

that isnt Bandai Namco slop

[woeful raven]

Maybe endfield will return to its arknights roots

Megacope

[dusky wave]

Imagine

RT, better LODs, better AO

Better story

darker tone

[woeful raven]

Wake up

Wuwa 3.1 got great story

@lean citrus says its like

Actually good

Not gacha good

[serene bridge]

3.0 is trash compared to 3.1 story

[dusky wave]

[glacial kayak]

from what i hear it's kuro joining the elysia recycling

[dusky wave]

well I just started 2.0 before I dropped off

needed a break

[woeful raven]

Shits so good they got people searching up who the writer for 3.1 was

[dusky wave]

oh its like that

When FFXIV Shadowbringers dropped everyone was searching for the writer as well

story was IMMACULATE

Natsuko Ishikawa plz write FF17

[dusky wave]

is it Eclair Bombur good?

[stuck sandal]

always wondered why forge forums got so many messages*

I see now

[dusky wave]

its because of cum glass fix

[glacial kayak]

it's very easy to ragebait

[dusky wave]

Endmin is just a parent hopping from one location to another. There will be some major conflict going on with multiple sides having their own views

Endmin just pulls up places a factory and the whole problem is solved

I want more nuance

Maybe some geezers dont want no factory

fuk you Endfield

[glacial kayak]

such is the life of being a 3d gacha

[dusky wave]

Genshin and its consequences

Can't complain about the OST

Music always carries in any game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VldN0kDat78

WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS??????

Even visually it all looks darker

[woeful raven]

such is the way all these slop go

watch they tone silver palace down

[dusky wave]

Should open up our own studio

I luv the way gacha sloppas look

but the stories are so mid most of the time

[runic dove]

doesn't silver palace run like a steaming pile of ass lmao

last I saw is someone barely scraping by 50fps at 1080p on that using a 3090

[dusky wave]

Which way western man

1. 'Optimised' 540p AO, 3 meter draw distance and 5 polygon LODs

2. UE5 slop with stuttering that runs at 40FPS and mismatching Lumenslop settings

[runic dove]

found it https://x.com/XliceTV/status/2010986535714504740

[rustic echo]

so now Forge can slop us some AO?

[woeful raven]

silver palace

has the look

to justify the shit perf

[runic dove]

until you shove it on low to get 60fps

[woeful raven]

a bad performing game is only bad when you can't justify the image quality vs perf

[runic dove]

and they wanted to ship it to mobile

[rustic echo]

I mean i messed with NTE....in some areas it's worth the perf...but the assets...

[woeful raven]

mobile port is just a fad most likely

[runic dove]

lumen and nanite turning your local iphone into an IED

[woeful raven]

because mobile doesn't even support nanite

[dusky wave]

What the genuine fuk, the game went from to this

[runic dove]

i dont see how they'll be able to pull it off

[dusky wave]

[runic dove]

so yeah

[woeful raven]

mobile doesnt support nanite

[runic dove]

i do kinda hope they drop the mobile version

[woeful raven]

so we'll see

the difference will be even more stark

than infinity nikki

[glacial kayak]

wouldn't want to do anything that might turn off the lowest common denominator of 3d gacha players

[woeful raven]

we all talk about rover glazing

but back in cbt wuwa was also

everyone suspiscious of the main char

and

acktual dark tone

[glacial kayak]

[rustic echo]

cbt wuwa wasn't sus of the main character, it was jut bad writing in general

it was just nonsenscial words

[glacial kayak]

bad writing was implied when the game title was mentioned

[dusky wave]

ummm

Shorekeeper saying on 'these wuthering waves' was PEAK writing acktually

[woeful raven]

[runic dove]

idk i dont play nikki, but given visual downgrades of wuwa from pc to mobile, i dont think i want to see nikki

i already have to shove a fan on my phone to play wuwa for an extended period of time on there

[glacial kayak]

we gotta bring back the depressed ex-wives that hate you characters

[woeful raven]

truly peak

1.3 set piece

and saving shorekeeper

all in REAL TIME CUTSCENES

[glacial kayak]

also not gonna get any edmin-less events i imagine

doctor-lite events in arknights are some of the best

[woeful raven]

yea

@dusky wave did you know we could have entire events in arknights without the MC ever appearing

and they were peak

[rustic echo]

I do like endfield story as a whole. I rather feel like there's good in people around the world

[glacial kayak]

getting worse on every front in 3d

[dusky wave]

going from books to 2d to 3d has been a net negative to media

[runic dove]

my only problem was the entirity of valley iv was an absolute slog

[glacial kayak]

the impact of jessica and crew bombing a bank and waging war with a private military company would be significantly lessened if doctor glazing was randomly injected

[runic dove]

if only og arknights wasn't confined to mobile

probably would have played it past chapter 2

[woeful raven]

play on an emulator

piss easy

4k 120

i wrote a mod for it

#1440801914165002322 message

[glacial kayak]

yostar pls don't fuck us and port the pc client to global

[dusky wave]

I am absolutely fummmmmmmming

sunk cost fallacy

Want to see if I could add a 'alpha' look

grading

[woeful raven]

touch the lutbuilder

[dusky wave]

Is the lutbuilder location bound?

Fuk it

might as well become a weather modder now

[woeful raven]

no

single lutbuilder for the entire game

[dusky wave]

No per location controls

its over

[woeful raven]

less work for me

we're so back

[dusky wave]

So CN players complained that alpha and beta was too dark

and NPCs didnt glaze Endmin

and now we are here

[rustic echo]

people need enough waifus first before they start killing them off

[dusky wave]

Chinese devs after all

China gooners really seem to like the glazing of main characters

and the waifu-collect-a-thon

FFXIV remains undefeated in being the only GAAS/MP title I've played that has a main story that surpasses SP titles that is both funny and dark that has music orchestrated by the very heavens themselves

I am never getting that again

FFXIV without boomer humour tab targeting combat would have me drooling like a mf

[woeful raven]

silver palace will save us

until the next cbt get too much complaining

[dusky wave]

players will complain its too victoria

then you get your pseudo GTA like basic ahh city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wJdbAkjKlE

I can see how this matches OG much better

but just converted over to 3D

damn, we really got disney theme park instead

[sturdy osprey]

i am the one person who has hate love realtionship with their music

because their music is just often time not mastered correctly

and doesnt sound technically good

even if its arranged very well

[dusky wave]

I redo it on my end

props of studying soundslop at college

Soken is utter god when it comes to motifs and injectings themes into OST

[woeful raven]

forge studied soundslop

new lore acquired

[sturdy osprey]

but yea ffxiv is great

i quit after endwalker tho cuz for me the story is finished

and the mmorpg elements arent actually that interesting to grind imo

[dusky wave]

'The Final Day' was the craziest shit I heard, how does one take every final boss theme from all the previous expansions, combines it all into a single track with motifs from all the expansions

The live rendition of it is even crazier

the ending crescendo makes a mf float

[dusky wave]

same, I finished endclanker last year and I havent played since becasue everyone says Dawnsnail is ass

[sturdy osprey]

dawntrail from what ive seen is.... they dont know what to do with the game after main story got finished

[dusky wave]

Endwalker is the definitive end

ties up the Ascian plot line

game is done for me

[sturdy osprey]

like they cant milk the game forever

[dusky wave]

Destiny fell into this hole

[sturdy osprey]

warframe managed it decently

but they defo had their downfalls and ups

[sturdy osprey]

this def feels more like arknights

[sturdy osprey]

its funny when people talk about optimized games and its literally most of the time just limiting the fidelity a lot

in a way that is not immedietely jarring

[fast topaz]

You're not wrong.
That's literally what LoD does.

[sturdy osprey]

i wouldnt call, forcing players to suffer harsh lod an optimization

its just different target

unreal is a bit sloppy on earlier 5.0 versions but 5.7 and future would have handled wuling way better than this unity raster slop

[fast topaz]

I just mean what LoD does in general.
It takes advantage that it is naturally hard to see things at a distance and scales their detail level dynamically.

Of corse different games have different scales, but it's all essentially all the same.

[sturdy osprey]

it makes sense why if they started dev in 2021/2022 or whatever, why they decided to use modified engine tho

[runic dove]

i'd rather have lod popin and slightly worse visuals versus forced dlss performance to hit 60fps on an $800 current gen GPU

[fast topaz]

I wish my gpu only cost $800...

[runic dove]

and your $2000 gpu only requires dlss balanced lmfao

yipee, $2 grand gpu cant run a videogame at 4k native

[sturdy osprey]

tbh only few games are that bad

[runic dove]

who the fuck thought this one through

[sturdy osprey]

like how bl4 is made idk wtf they did

maybe everyone had 5090 in production

[runic dove]

idk

i was told expedition 33 was "one of the good ones"

i look inside and get 30fps at 4k

nty

and the game still has ugly ass hair that requires a mod to fix

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven

[dusky wave]

Mobilesloppas aren't even the majority

Yet we still suffer

[woeful raven]

slopping all of this up

even with

[sturdy osprey]

then they should add rt

[woeful raven]

240p GTAO

[sturdy osprey]

not surprised kinda cuz it needs a good phone to run

decently

and the controls are easier on pc

[runic dove]

the game runs on a sack of potatoes idk what you mean

i can hit 30 with 60% TAAU on a r7 4700u ultrabook pulling 8W

and my phone doesn't warm up much even with Google's brilliant ability to design a mobile furnace and call it Tensor

[sturdy osprey]

i mean decently

not on lowest 30fps

[runic dove]

tbh i can probably hit 1080p30 on like, medium settings with 80% TAAU if i choose to boost tdp

[keen pagoda]

Same

[sturdy osprey]

yea but

its still slop

considering how quickly it took for someone to fix significant issues in the game

[keen pagoda]

no updates will be provided
Why? I feel microsoft supremacy

[runic dove]

i'm still yet to hear of a ue5 title that
a. runs good
b. makes use of ue5's features (lumen and nanite)

arc raiders is a well running ue5 title because they ripped out the latter

[sturdy osprey]

they use nvidia branch

which has worse GI

for lower cost

I mean its not magic

lumen is for photorealistic lighting that can be easily turned on

nanite is for scalabe geometry

[dusky wave]

Lumen is for Lazorr to fix in U+ because everyone and their grandmother still uses SW Lumen shit with zero tweaking from defaults

[sturdy osprey]

people somehow attribute stutters to them which is interesting

you need someone to sit for a month to tweak lumen for a game tbh

its very powerful lighting but you need to put effort

none of which do

[runic dove]

hilarious because thats the only good aspect i give e33, it doesn't really stutter even if the game runs like hot garbage

[keen pagoda]

Guys, I really need to use reshade installer for vulkan?

Can I just rename dll?

[runic dove]

its at least a steady 30fps

the issue lies when getting 30fps on a high end card

[woeful raven]

because it's shit

[sturdy osprey]

also typically games with lumen and nanite are putting in insane high poly assets in the game

[woeful raven]

you're welcome to make your own

the code is open source

[dusky wave]

I'll maybe move onto VK soonTM or wait until updates

Miru is working on AO

thats really the only reason I would move

[keen pagoda]

wdym? Vulkan can be used more widely than dx

[woeful raven]

widely for what

whoever can run this game

can pick either dx11 or vk

[keen pagoda]

I mean dx is locked to windows

[runic dove]

holy

[woeful raven]

so?

[runic dove]

time to port reno to android

hell yeah

[woeful raven]

your battery will die in

10 seconds

with the 4k nits

those phones can reach these days

[runic dove]

it'd probably cook the phone before chewing through battery

the display doing those insane hdr brightness plus running a sustained load

note 7 here we come

[dusky wave]

fellas fellas

forget about all the above

I am working on E3 OG experience

[keen pagoda]

?

[dusky wave]

decreasing saturation, lowering exposure and increasing highlight sat sort of gets us there

Now I just need either a teal and orange LUT

that kinda matches

[keen pagoda]

Lol

[dusky wave]

@keen pagoda

TIL that the game was meant to look like this

[woeful raven]

something something people can't read

[dusky wave]

and now I am fuming

[keen pagoda]

It was FG, forgot about it

[dusky wave]

@glacial kayak

Dont worry

I will save us

Sadly, I cant edit story shaders to make them better

[woeful raven]

by saving you mean

||minus -20 saturation in the lutbuilder||

[dusky wave]

no no

I will do more

[woeful raven]

you know

i am slightly curious

[dusky wave]

I dont

[woeful raven]

i can probably whip up

a custom lut in resolve

but getting it into the game

i guess we can just slap it on top of the lutbuilder

@tough nimbus how would one go about this

[dusky wave]

I dont know how much we can replicate the look via just post processing glop

We have enviroment shaders and all

but I dont want to edit each one

desaturating them and whatever else

[woeful raven]

no i'll just patch the lutbuilder

[tough nimbus]

doing what

too lazy to scroll up and read

[woeful raven]

say u want to do a custom grade

[dusky wave]

let me get pics

for comparison

[woeful raven]

can i create a lut in resolve

[tough nimbus]

never used grading software

[woeful raven]

and slap it in, if so where and how do i slap it

[woeful raven]

yeah give me the reference pics

[tough nimbus]

wait for shortfuse's render pass stuff

[woeful raven]

I can probably create a look

[tough nimbus]

then you can slap a lut onto whatever

[dusky wave]

Older versions of the game's design stage was darker and gritter compared to current disney land themepark gatcha slop look. We're trying to come up with ways to cope the art direction back in

[woeful raven]

well actually

[dusky wave]

Teal and orange LUT or something

[woeful raven]

since we stil have reshade

I can just make a lut

and you can apply it in through a reshade shader or something

lmao

[dusky wave]

[tough nimbus]

there mightve been some code in oblivion to apply shaders before UI

[dusky wave]

Unc

we already have that in

[tough nimbus]

noice

gonna fuck up peak though

[woeful raven]

its just some AO slop

didn't look like it affected peak

or you mean applying the LUT ?

[tough nimbus]

ya

well depends when you apply it

you could try applying it before the shader that samples the lutbuilder

but having it run before the game's own grading makes it harder to tune it

[woeful raven]

we currently have the reshade injected after deferred lighting draw so it's definitely before the lutbuilder

actually

@dusky wave u can do this by yourself

https://youtu.be/b-G1cQJzzUM

slap regrade in

tune it so it looks like your technical test footage

I don't know if regrade has a save result as a lut function

but i guess thats it

[dusky wave]

alpha has muted reds atleast from what I saw

[woeful raven]

can't escape saturation -20 allegations

[dusky wave]

ACKTUALLY

its not sat -20

its sat -15 with increased highlight sat and blowout

🤓

Can someone raid HyperGryph

[sturdy osprey]

i hate my monitor calibration

idk what they were thinking making hdr green

well tbf its not greenish more like i had to set yellow- blue bias to blue

and a bit green change

[dusky wave]

https://youtu.be/5wJdbAkjKlE?si=sqpVHUU1Dx6wxCaL&t=6347

time stamp for comparison

UI has colder temp and more magenta tint

im going to have it sit around and play with this

before I give up

old style is lost

over bozo

[tame grove]

Remember the same thing happening to wuwa

but everyone was celebrating because the story got a little bit better

it was still dogshit btw

[twin haven]

original wuwa was dark gritty 🙁 liked it

welp they gotta cater to the masses 🤮

[sturdy osprey]

is there a way to apply color filters to the scene after so that it affects everything including skybox and char

[tame grove]

funny thing is that catering to the masses is the same reason why the game felt like genshin 2 electric bogaloo for over a year

[idle notch]

Yea
I hope they don't go down like genshin did

Natlan ahh catastrophe is the last thing that I want

[twin haven]

if there was skip button i would try Genshin again

[sturdy osprey]

did anyone get fsr4 int8 working in endfield via optiscaler

[fleet socket]

yeah

it works fine

[sturdy osprey]

i dont have fsr 4 on the list in optiscaler

idk why

[strong vault]

you should select fsr 3.1 first then upgrade under a sub menu if i am not mistaken

[fleet socket]

correct

fsr 3.x on dx12

or w/e its called

[sturdy osprey]

oh thanks

[rustic echo]

you can use reshade pass off. Then use REST for your UI. Though i could only find those shaders on native TAAU, not DLSS

[tidal finch]

Gooner game fr

[spiral imp]

I tried opti for fs4 and one thing I noticed is that the game would freeze for half a second at every menu

promptly removed it

[tidal finch]

What the actual fuck

[spiral imp]

that is a sick ass intro

[dusky wave]

Truly

Gooners and mc glazers won

[glacial kayak]

can't have nice things

also makes sense why the entirety of the prologue just seemed like original arknights's chernobog but worse to me. it was much closer in tone to chernobog in the tech test

arknights cn fanbase strikes again

[fleet socket]

it's an optiscaler issue. from what i can tell, the game disables DLSS when you're in menus, and that seems to make optiscaler freeze for a bit

[dusky wave]

What I don't understand is HG is Chinese though?

So is the issue new directors at HG

[glacial kayak]

yeah those are the players they listen to

[dusky wave]

Or new tourist playerbase

[glacial kayak]

that's probably a factor since new worse game format but the arknights cn fanbase is rather notorious for its temperament

[dusky wave]

But how did OG arknights exist then, surely CN playerbase would have complained

About lack of glazing

As a wise man once said

[glacial kayak]

that was definitely a thing they complained about in random splotches but they did a better job of placating them in a controlled manner

[dusky wave]

G*mers

[woeful raven]

Wulingers

[dusky wave]

When the chief calls you the w word

Anyways I got something in the works

Cope OG experience

I'll publish in a bit

let me know if its gas or ass

[spiral imp]

Unfortunate, game felt unplayable

After experiencing the smoothness

So I removed it

[fleet socket]

a 3d game is a lot more expensive to make, so the company is more likely to give in to pressure from the playerbase

fwiw i do have faith in the writers and im sure they'll turn things around soon enough

[dusky wave]

lets cope together

[unkempt pulsar]

i was gone for one day, why is chat so negative all of a sudden

i thought the game's fun

[dusky wave]

We learnt that the game got disneyified

[strong vault]

Gilberta's event story was hot garbage too

pepeSlop

[dusky wave]

I havent even started it

why you do me like that

[strong vault]

If you go in with 0 expectations you can enjoy it more

Doing a favor for you

[dusky wave]

Look at this Bean

[strong vault]

I went in with high expectation because I liked Wulfgard and Laevataeins quest

[spiral imp]

I need her

I'm coping hard that she works with fangyi

[strong vault]

Yeah she is cute still pulled for her copium

[dusky wave]

I used my free 10 pull dossier thingy

got her first try again

[strong vault]

Thats your reward for improving on the game

[spiral imp]

Deserved

For all your work

[strong vault]

pepeToast

[spiral imp]

I got ardelia

[twin haven]

fellow Vencord user

[unkempt pulsar]

i got a six-star after 15 pulls

it was yvonne

[twin haven]

[dusky wave]

ASSets

[unkempt pulsar]

i keep getting gooner bait characters

last rite too

[glacial kayak]

Which is unfortunate because her arknights counterpart never got any story lol

[gleaming osprey]

wouldn't go that far, but it's pretty bad compared to Laevatain's, Yvonne's and even Wulfgard's

it was nice and short at least

[strong vault]

Like I said it might be because I had high expectation after Laeveatain and Wulfgards also ||she gets introduced so strange. Even though we meet her the first time she talks like we know her from before||

||Like not from pre amnesiac but like something is skipped or didnt show||

[dusky wave]

well you see

Everyone knows the Endmin

its just we as the player dont know anything

because muh memory loss

[dusky wave]

bruh

Chen best goober anyways

[gleaming osprey]

||It's weird how her story isn't about her whatsoever||

[grim kiln]

what version were you running? i was having that issue to but installing the latest preview fixed all of those for me

[fleet socket]

oh im using an old one

let me update

[grim kiln]

the preview from 1/9 was causing it but builds 1/22 and higher havent had that issue for me it was even breaking the news menu and like trying to crash the game basically

[grim kiln]

||chen and tangtang are the best for sure the interactions with them are awesome||

[tidal finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VldN0kDat78

Look at this

[tidal finch]

What really annoys me is that the OG Intro explained what happened immediately.

meanwhile the one that we got just goes like
'uhhh, you're awake now, you did something very important that everyone knows but they won't tell you'

[dusky wave]

og intro explains whats going on and world build

current is just welp you're industrial revolution space jesus... let the glazing begin

[tidal finch]

I really do hope they manage to recover from this, as the storyline just seems like it wasn't written with the 180 from 'you're a god that we awake in dire straits' to 'i need you to plant your devices near me Endmin' in mind

[dusky wave]

current intro + the attack on hub base is still good I'd say

Eregmis fight and OST was kino

hub base attack still has the og intro feel

its just that every after that becomes 'Endmin glazing3000inator'

or 'plz we need help to plant some shrubs'

The game still has my curiousity peaked with that girl in black armour who summons the big boss in intro

and whats going on up north

just need to wait a trillion updates now

[tidal finch]

the intro isn't bad, but compared to the Tech Test one, you can see how they just took half of the interesting stuff out, and streched out the other half.

The tech test was was what I expected going in, only expanded upon.

[dusky wave]

lets all just cope

FF14 was also meh during ARR

Just need to wait a couple years for Endfield to pick up the pace

[spiral imp]

Problem is less how others interact with endmin but how endmin interacts with others, the message system having chars just dm endmin and we act like we know them all despite not being introduced

Is kinda

[dusky wave]

[spiral imp]

Will be very nice if they also tone down the endmin glaze, had enough of that on wuwa

[dusky wave]

Rover the supreme arbiter, the supreme super hero of Jinzhou and Rinascita

The one and only

leader of the black shores

husband/wife of Shorekeeper

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-waves-gif-18408241362933028599

[dusky wave]

So I tried to cope changing grass colours to match alpha

but it griefs other greens in a scene

I wanted to do it via LUTbuilder but that griefed fx

Just touching grass shader also looks wack

ground is too green

fuk it, you get skybox adjustments, grading adjustments and the alpha UI tint/temp match

cba to E3 experience everything in this game with our limited tools

[arctic echo]

When did I send a friend request to Forge? Did I do it by accident somehow? lol

[sudden nest]

alpha vibe kinda slaps ngl

[dusky wave]

probably

I get a bunch of bot friend requests

so I tend to ignore

especially if I see its from some server I dont hang out a lot in

[dusky wave]

Sliding to Off now activates SDR default settings for quick A/B comparisons
Added Alternative Tech Test grading slider (WIP)

[sturdy osprey]

when theres rtx on vs off

there needs to be reno on vs off

[woeful raven]

Off should still do gamma correction lah

[dusky wave]

oof

lemme change

rip

need to fix

Tech Test sliders not stick with game reset or preset change

[woeful raven]

looks like u could probably do tech test as a preset button

instead of a slider?

unless it changes something more than just the grading values

[dusky wave]

Its not just grading

i've bundled in other settings / shader adjustments

thats why I did a slider

Let me see if I can fix it

otherwise I'll just split it into button and slider

fixed it

its fine

• Sliding to 'Off' now activates SDR default settings for quick A/B comparisons
• Added Alternative Tech Test grading slider + adjustments (WIP)
• Added some missing UI shaders for UI toggle

[dusky wave]

grass / foliage changing is hardTM, not sure if theres a good way for me to go about matching the more autumn / dead look of the tech test

tech test also has fog out the ass everywhere