Arknights + AK Endfield

[median robin]

was your freeze in dijon as well?

[woeful raven]

not gonna lie

vulkan perf might be worse

than dicks 11

[median robin]

so the only real "benefit" with VK right now would be a slower ram leak?

[woeful raven]

not sure if there's even a benefit

[unkempt pulsar]

i got the impression that vk has a lot less micro stutter?

[woeful raven]

no

it'll comp and stutter even worse

[unkempt pulsar]

cool

[woeful raven]

[meager igloo]

wait how do I load ReShade in Vulkan mode

nvm

[gloomy tulip]

I noticed that too

The framepacing is bad

When I booted up dx11 it locks to 75hz on my monitor refresh rate

But it’s smoother than 120 in vulkan

[dusky wave]

Non zip bomb version

• cum glass fix doesnt freeze the game anymore

[woeful raven]

now let's check vk again

for gpu usage

[meager igloo]

testing rn, seems identical to dx11 usage

woah DLSS FG in VK mode messes up all the colors

[woeful raven]

seems about the same

[meager igloo]

also the UI brightness slider affects the whole picture

[woeful raven]

just with extra stutters

[dusky wave]

I am going to add a min floor, so if the ambient colour of a scene is very low instead of getting close to black you'll still have atleast 15% of the probe at any time

[woeful raven]

duh?

dlss fg isn't supported in reshade vulkan

[gloomy tulip]

Ngl I think reno should disable the pipeline logging without debug level 0

[dusky wave]

VK reshade doesnt support FG

[meager igloo]

yup, silly me

[gloomy tulip]

It’s constantly logging while you are playing now

[meager igloo]

I've been mixing optiscaler/reshade testing in a bunch of games this week, messed up my head

[twin haven]

have you got optiscaler OptiFG working with renodx?

[woeful raven]

it won't

[meager igloo]

in some games it doesn't work with HDR period, RenoDX or not

[woeful raven]

why are you even attempting

[meager igloo]

it works in RDR2 though (!)

[twin haven]

Black Myth it worked last i played

[twin haven]

interesting

[woeful raven]

black myth has native hdr

[meager igloo]

well, I have an NVIDIA GPU so no need for OptiFG in Black Myth

[woeful raven]

getting optifg working on a game where you need is upgrade the sdr path

is a fool's errand

[twin haven]

i see

[woeful raven]

need to add ritsu to the special thanks list for vk

[gloomy tulip]

Well didn’t they say they will bring hdr too

cope

[meager igloo]

until then I'll stick to Smooth Motion

bleh

[median robin]

@dusky wave did the latency bar toggle break in newest update? Not the vignette thing, but the latency icon just doesn't disappear when toggling it to hidden

at least in Wuling EDIT: seems to be everywhere

[warm island]

You guys are wizards
gonna try RenoDX+ with anti-semen glass right now

[unkempt pulsar]

forge gonna wake up in the middle of the night with sweat all over their body from the latency icon nightmares

[median robin]

I know I feel bad

but maybe he just forgor some code and it's an easy fix!

[dusky wave]

• Added a 15% min floor to cubemap maffs so you dont end up with scenarios where ambient light proccs close to 0% for probe resulting in black metallic surfaces

[woeful raven]

oh yea i should pin the vk stuff too

let me fix up the resource upgrades first

[warm island]

I had never played a gatcha game before. Saw that it just came out, was free to play and looked good
So I immediatly went to the RenoDX page to see if there was a HDR mod for it and there was
That's the only reason I downloaded the game and now I'm hooked, mostly because it looks so good
So if I end up broke and homeless it's you guys fault

[woeful raven]

Endfield RenoVK
vulkan is shit use dx11, no updates will be provided

• **Only HDR & color grading sliders will work right now, other stuff will come later (or never) **

note:

• must use scRGB

Instructions to install:
#1440801914165002322 message

[woeful raven]

back to dicks 11 i go

[rustic echo]

Not bad, that some nice engineering tweak. I can now see yvonne's paint isn't black, just black enough to know it isn't black. And I can read the endfield logo on the console now

[twin haven]

don't worry they will reimburse ya with $67

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[dusky wave]

werks on my end

[median robin]

interesting

[woeful raven]

Now that vk shaders have warmed up

It isnt as bad

Still not as smooth as 11 though

At least this shit doesnt leak like the plague

[rustic echo]

but Miru's AO code~

what you lose in pacing, you win in not getting a 2ms+ hit on RTAO

[woeful raven]

im using modded gtao now on 11

[rustic echo]

grrr

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-star-wars-anger-darth-gif-18393081

[unkempt pulsar]

CANNOT believe i’m stuck at work when i could be trying arknights endfield renodx cum glass begone edition

[median robin]

it is quite the beauty

[strong vault]

Forge cooked again

[rustic echo]

I think the make metals great again change is more better. though that's a "can't fix everything" situation because level designers relied on those settings.

one you see it you can't unsee it~

[sturdy osprey]

bruh the skybox is not affected by effects

[dusky wave]

wdym?

reshade bypass will do that, since we're applying before skybox onto deferred lighting shaders

[sturdy osprey]

I meant for example prod80 stuff only affects the game objects

extreme example of changing tint

its like the skybox is processing on different layer ?

i just realized that it doesnt affect the character either lol

[loud rover]

Anyone able to get 3dmigoto working without making the color washed out?

Other than this everything else worked fine

RenoDX+OptiScaler+3dmigoto

[sturdy osprey]

oh wait

the ui bypass is doing some weird stuff

thats why

[fluid patio]

Newest addon version makes my computer fans spin instantly, I already don't use most of the new features so I'm switching back to the 2/3 build

[median robin]

haven't tried yet. Gonna wait until the official xxmi tools are out, and then try injecting reshade with that launcher instead

[median robin]

nvm I tried cause I was curious. It works fine but I didn't use optiscaler. I used inject64. Migoto loader first, then inject64, then launch the game. Spiwar made an AIO .bat for the inject64. It's somewhere in this thread

[dusky wave]

thats by design

reshade bypass eg 'reshade before UI' applies reshade fx right after deferred shaders

This is done so ambient occlusion shaders dont apply on top of UI, DoF, FX and so on

[gloomy tulip]

Forge, I found that the game already modulates the cubemap reflection with GI luminance in shader

But the math is really weird XD

[twin haven]

what makes HDR work in the RenoVK? it seems the UI is also brightened up im just curious btw

[loud rover]

Yup it was OptiScaler

Working now
and for some weird reason
ReShade won't inject with Inject64 if the game is launched from Steam

[median robin]

Launching games from steams adds its own hooks like the steam overlay etc. Might conflict with inject64s hook

[dusky wave]

what they doing?

because in Power Plateu it also applies to the cliffs

it looks borky

[gloomy tulip]

Its a bit modified from unity I think

[fluid patio]

Does anyone know of a reshade shader that adds a crosshair to the middle of the screen? I need to know where the middle is so I can take centered pictures

[rustic echo]

Seems the ambient link may have a range limit. In wuling at the begining down the stairs it spontenously stop applying after a certain camera angle, them flips back the moment you move in. I'll see how often this happens. Something to do with the probe sampling?

[gloomy tulip]

Without vs with their modulation

[dusky wave]

vid?

[gloomy tulip]

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/blob/62037b195563ddfe67f84bab6867032e76f577c7/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.core/Runtime/Lighting/ProbeVolume/ProbeVolume.hlsl#L994

i think its this from unity

[gloomy tulip]

Slop solution ughhh

[gloomy tulip]

POG

[rustic echo]

POG indeed

[median robin]

W

[brittle abyss]

When is that ? I literally got everyone exept pog and lifeng. I wanted pog or lifeng. I'm being set up

Hooo... It's tomorow. Nice !

[grizzled herald]

Those are the only 2 I got haha. 2 Pogs actually.

Might just get the 3rd.

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

[sudden nest]

me too

is it only for 4k?

[twin haven]

im illiterate can we choose?

https://tenor.com/view/cheering-baby-yeah-woo-hoo-lets-go-excited-kid-gif-8986898329054329350

[spiral imp]

Yes

[brittle abyss]

I'm actually jealous. In gachas I tend to like having the MC in my team. Makes for better immersion. I don't like him not being there and suddenly appearing every time I talk to something. But in this game, not only is he cool looking, but he's actually good to. I definitely want an endmin team.

To be honest, I generally think the default characters are super cool looking in this game. Chen is cool enough, but I think Perlica and Wulfgard in particular have very stong designs.

[grizzled herald]

If only the world had the 1/3 the level of quality as the character models... Haha.

[median robin]

I'm on 3440x1440

But it wasn't a problem on Forges side, so I have no idea

[sudden nest]

yeh im also on uw, maybe its only for 4k rn

[stable lava]

1440p 16:9 does hide everything correctly on my machine

dialogue vignette is not turning on and off on a whim
and uid/latency text doesn't reappear during forced camera pans

[brittle abyss]

It's getting there. Patience my friend

[median robin]

It did work on that resolution like 2 updates ago, so not sure what happened

[idle loom]

RenoDX looks awesome here, but I am somewhat reluctant. How likely can you get flagged / banned for the injecting? (that is if it works this way)

[median robin]

No one knows how HG will deal with this type of injection

Going by other 3D gachas, they don't give a shit

It's in the same category as 3DMigoto injection, and people only get banned there if they are careless and share screenshots with UIDs etc and get reported

But yeah, we don't know what kinda stance HG has yet

[idle loom]

Yeah, so far I have tried RenoDX and 3DMigoto in Zenless and nothing so far. Some people on the release said that Wuwa detects it and flags, but I havent faced any issues

Really enjoying this game but it looks too gray in HDR cause of lack of implementation

[median robin]

If you wanna be more certain, you should probably wait a bit longer and see, but yeah

[idle loom]

Yup, you are right

So for the Vulkan version, do we just toggle an option in Reshade before the installation?

[rustic echo]

Endfield has neither pvp nor co-op. I doubt anyone would get banned ever

the only people that get banned are RMT account sellers, that regularly use tools to speed up their rerolling and multiboxing accounts.

This was a common thing gacha developers had to clamp down on because it was getting out of hand, when they had hundreds of thousands of new accounts being constantly created and automated, then sold out to users to "bypass" paying the money on gacha-ing.

So not zero, but pretty low as there's literally no stake for HG to ban people reshading, except for skipping texture/scene loading on rerollers.

[dusky wave]

Rip, I guess 21:9 has different coordinates

16:9 regardless of res works

[median robin]

I guess that makes sense. As mentioned it did work before the last rework to sort out the vignette problems

but honestly idm the latency bar personally

[waxen delta]

The only gacha I've seen that's crazy is hoyo's anti cheat but it just refuses to launch if it detects reshade which is why you have to use a launcher that injects it outside of the process but even then, there are anecdotes that it can catch it which is why I'm reluctant

I've spent too much money to lose my account lol

[dusky wave]

Morning geezers

what do I do today?

[median robin]

play the game

[dusky wave]

[dusky wave]

going to try my hand at this

[woeful raven]

VK

[dusky wave]

You said theres more stuttering

[twin haven]

VK stuttered hard in my HDD (i moved it yesterday due to storage issues in my SSD)

but in dx all fine

[strong vault]

beg to crosire for vk fg

[woeful raven]

Bettah when de shader cash warms up

Besides

Stutter is the fact of life if we want rt down the line

[grizzled herald]

Is this theoretically possible? Just on ReShade's end? If ever done it'd be huuuge.

[woeful raven]

DX11

time to boot VK again

[dusky wave]

Ritsu asked today in the server

[woeful raven]

VK

cold boot

[dusky wave]

10w more and more stutters

[woeful raven]

so yea the random hitches ain't placebo

no its bc im running in random areas

[silent gazelle]

lkl

[woeful raven]

but yea make no mistake

dx11

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

does technically have better frametimes

when you're not hitching

[dusky wave]

if I open up VK its ogre for me

I am never getting passed Wuling

[woeful raven]

set up your factory line

and gear production

before opening up vk

when you come back you'd be gainmaxxing with gold gear

[woeful raven]

imagine

AO Before Fog...

[strong vault]

1st class edging right there

[brittle abyss]

I'm not even out of valley IV yet😂

[mighty palm]

i think in vk it makes my cpu run at 80°C a bit later than with DX11 🙃 ...but the game currently has a bug that it suddenly starts "stress testing" cpu after few minutes and it will be stuck at 78-80°C no matter what im doing currently in game...no game had my cpu run this hot like Endfield, truly peak optimization...it is a known issue, hopefully fix is on its way...very soon

[woeful raven]

Its your vram bleeding out bud

Restart the game

[mighty palm]

dont think so

also it happens like 3minutes into the game, restart is very temporary fix lol

if I went to a map that would be 1x1 square meter big, with nothing in it, it would probably still drain my cpu

yeah even in login screen lol

peak

[woeful raven]

then thats a you issue then

until my vram fills up the cpu usage is fine

[mighty palm]

yeah a me issue and thousands of other people too, even devs acknowledged it, lots of reddit posts about it too

making it really annoying to play, with the fan noise and heat coming out of my pc all the time

[woeful raven]

something something

Works Fine On My Machine

i have the same cpu

[mighty palm]

maybe you are missing some gradual win11 amazing update

[woeful raven]

turn off dlss

[mighty palm]

i am on taau

[woeful raven]

probably still the same vram leak issue then

taau takes like 2x 3x the time for me to leak

[mighty palm]

also it runs fine for me too, but just for a 3minutes maybe...so login screen is good at the start of the game...but once im ingame and run for a bit, it starts destroying my cpu...and then when I go to login screen the cpu is still stuck on high usage...

[woeful raven]

but once it starts filling my cpu will be pinned at 108W

[mighty palm]

hmm, i dont know how this all works, but its interesting to have vram leak, but not seeing my VRAM being filled

[woeful raven]

i would say try using dlss and you'll see your cpu usage climb to max even earlier

but you're already maxxing out at 3 minutes

so

[mighty palm]

🙃

anyway, pls RenoDX team, fix this issue for me too ☺️

renodx-mod that fixes hdr, graphics and optimization

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven Zhuang Fangyi intro theme that plays during that pre rendered sloppa and Wuling City combat track is rent free for me

Valley IV was buffer

[spiral imp]

she's gonna be the first unit I purposefully pull for

i hope that transformation is part of the kit

[mighty palm]

that reminds me of my endfield cpu situation

(so far im enjoying my few minutes of quiet with cpu at 64°C 🙃 )

[woeful raven]

88W after 1 hour of running

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[mighty palm]

it just started cooking for me 🙃 I guess it took a bit more time than just few minutes now...

like 30minutes maybe

[woeful raven]

increase page file

oh wait dont u have

a lot of memory

lmao

[mighty palm]

🙃

can I type fake nitro emojis through vencord extension without being timed out/banned here for spam?

[woeful raven]

i dont know

[mighty palm]

welp ill try camellya

it doesnt even work now, huh

[woeful raven]

i see the camellya icon

[mighty palm]

yeah It showed up for me on phone, but on my pc its broken for some reason...something just broke on my discord 🙃

oh

[glacial kayak]

So everything in vk for hdr is working correctly now? It's only the extra AO/UI stuff that's not working?

[woeful raven]

ya

QOL stuff is not there

but the hdr part of renodx works

but i've found VK to be stuttering more than dx11 anyways 💀

[glacial kayak]

Always seemed the opposite for me

Back to vk forever then since I have no interest in the other stuff

[woeful raven]

its there if u want to use it ya

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-bean-killer-bean-ragdoll-ragdoll-fall-gif-23762382

Me spending time working on allat

[glacial kayak]

i respect and appreciate the grind for the betterment of everyone other than me

[sudden nest]

bro wants worse graphics

ps1 enjoyer

[glacial kayak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/parasite-eve-melissa-pearce

[spiral imp]

i have big interest in all graphical improvements

and appreciate the hard work

[dusky wave]

Kibbles prefers cum glass

[spiral imp]

i didnt even notice it

until you pointed it out

ngl

[dusky wave]

Imagine how Musa feels

He can't even play games

Because he sees issues everywhere

[spiral imp]

prob enjoys the tinkering more than playing

[dusky wave]

[spiral imp]

if you're worried about progress, wuling is pretty short

can finish the main quest and set up factory

and keep working on the addon afterwards

[dusky wave]

Mofos want me be back in the Reno gulag

[spiral imp]

deep down so do you

[glacial kayak]

hmmm the hdr doesn't work in vk, not sure what i'm doing wrong

[fast topaz]

I believe VK is highly experimental.

[dusky wave]

Forgeslop is too busy playing the game

And

Spiwarslop is too busy dealing with the new 'HDR' in Wuwa with 500nit UI text

No VK HDR for you

[glacial kayak]

[grizzled saddle]

Vulkan addon will need the custom reshade as well

[dusky wave]

Yes

We forgor to mention that

[glacial kayak]

i didn't know we had a custom reshade for vk

where can i find that

[glacial kayak]

dope

[woeful raven]

How are u installing

Reshade vulkan layer

Is the way

D3d12.dll wont work

[glacial kayak]

i was using inject64

[woeful raven]

ok

1. run reshade installer, choose endfield.exe, use vulkan as an install option
2. replace ReShade64.dll in C:\ProgramData\Reshade with the dll from #1440801914165002322 message
3. install addon
4. ???

[glacial kayak]

alright once more unto the breach

[woeful raven]

then u can just run the game as normal

other than the custom reshade installation is even more brain dead

[glacial kayak]

there we go

thank you for the help

and the mod

[woeful raven]

i would say ur welcome

but u were supposed to be the one making the mod

[glacial kayak]

did this to yourself

[spiral imp]

it's here

[gloomy tulip]

F I found out that the ping indicator model does change with aspect ratior

Today's update banned nsight finally lmaoThey banned frame debugger not graphics capture

[dusky wave]

Ultrameme users in shambles

[gloomy tulip]

Need to figure out how the model is scaled based on aspect

[gloomy tulip]

21.5 - 1200 * (height / width)

this is the formula hmm

[gloomy tulip]

Why is the game cursed like this

[idle notch]

yea
this game is stressing the RAM like crazy
mine's a laptop but the sticks are touching 125 celsius

[glacial kayak]

that sounds concerning

[gloomy tulip]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/commit/f35a3b7557b3f5438baa96fbdf43af21ea70ab7a
but its fixed now

[idle notch]

yea
130 is the limit though before the system crashes

[delicate escarp]

Sometimes it freezes up when I switch between interfaces too much.

[twin haven]

are you ssd

[robust wagon]

is anybody know how can i use the renodx? plz help me

[woeful raven]

read the pins

the instructions are there

[robust wagon]

This is new denoiser build for VK
endfield.7z
renodx-endfield.addon64

use this? if i want turn on hdr only

[woeful raven]

Instruction pins are at the bottom

Current build

#1440801914165002322 message

[robust wagon]

ok tku!

[rustic echo]

sorry for tardiness, here's the vid, area 1st teleport you reach wuling

but tbf, i haven't had it visable to anywhere else so far so, it's either rare or a one off location for a mis-probe

and not exactly a location you will go to

[strong vault]

Cubemap Ambient Link
OFF / ON

SSR looks horrible here

[delicate escarp]

yes

[stable lava]

SSR looks horrible*
ftfy

[robust wagon]

can i use renodx-endfield-vk.addon64 for hdr enabled?

its for vulkan?

[lone onyx]

same question here

i guess it is bc of that -vk

[twin haven]

yes it's experimental though some slider no work

[timid marten]

I can't get reshade effects to work with Reno on vk, any idea why? The Reno window doesn't open as well. Tho the addon is visible in addons tab

[strong vault]

Those who have problems with VK did they got the custom reshade for it?

[strong vault]

Yes but its for HDR only doesnt have other rendering improvements

[robust wagon]

which one is for vulkan? Is the installation process the same as with DX? Just put in d3d12.dll?

[strong vault]

Installing process for Vulkan is here

Vulkan build is at top of pins

[robust wagon]

tku! It seems like d3d12.dll is no longer needed.

[stable lava]

d3d12 injects for dx11
programdata injects for vulkan

so depending on what API you want to use, d3d12 can be required

[robust wagon]

that's right

I tried the official ReShade Vulkan before, but the anti-cheat flagged 'dxgi.dll' as unauthorized and closed my game, so I didn’t dare use it again.

[robust wagon]

What is a good setting for game brightness?

[sturdy osprey]

whatever fits your enviorement and display specs

[median robin]

This is generally what is recommended

But also adjust according to how bright your room is etc

[robust wagon]

Thank you for your suggestions. My monitor supports HDR1400, so should I set it above 250 nits?

[balmy ember]

I never go above 200 on my 2000 nit tv

I say that's a hard no

"when everything is special, nothing is".

The higher you raise your base brightness the less HDR impact you'll have

[twin haven]

is it miniled?

[robust wagon]

right

[twin haven]

if miniled maybe 220-230 since the small highlights are dimmed

but i use 250 because i feel it's right

[unkempt pulsar]

i too never go above 203 paper white unless i'm on a train with my steam deck

[twin haven]

for oleds cuz 203 is good

no small lights dimmed

[unkempt pulsar]

but at home, on my tv, i usually do 150-200

[balmy ember]

My actual norm on oled is actually around 150. And that's on the 2000 nit.

[twin haven]

there's no dimming with oled in low abl so it's perfectly fine

[balmy ember]

But it's true setting it to 200 or 250 on my C2 (700 peak) it feels dimmer and just worse HDR obviously than a 2000 nit set to 150 because ABL

[twin haven]

oled tv makes it up for perceived brightness due to size

vs 27inch

[robust wagon]

When will we finally have affordable HDR monitors with quality similar to smartphone displays?

[twin haven]

funny enough smartphone displays doesn't abl as aggresive as monitors

it still abl but not severe (i don't have oled monitor btw)

[twin haven]

maybe 2030 where hdr becomes mainstream and oled becomes mass

[balmy ember]

Depends on device but my phone will shift gamma and reduce output by 70% once it overheats stays like that until it cools down it's purely a temperature thing I think - it gets easily triggered in the sun very quickly

[twin haven]

oh forgot about heat

[balmy ember]

Otherwise it's incredible HDR looks better than on my TV most of the time

But put it in the sun its literally dying

[twin haven]

(2)

[robust wagon]

Smartphone OLED screens really have excellent quality, don't they? They don't suffer from such aggressive ABL, and their black levels are superior

[twin haven]

miniled abl + oled perfect undimmed small highlights zone

[twin haven]

exactly

[balmy ember]

Only as long as they stay cool

[unkempt pulsar]

their black levels are superior
what do you mean by this? black is black

[twin haven]

w8 elaborate on the superior black

[strong vault]

203 but I lower it to like 170 if im playing at night with no lights

[robust wagon]

It's the black level performance without an ABL

[unkempt pulsar]

i don't understand

black is off
what does abl have to do with it

[robust wagon]

This is how I have it set up right now: I've noticed that if UI Brightness is lower than Game Brightness, the image gets overexposed—but when they're equal, there's no overexposure. It's strange.

[robust wagon]

I think I got it wrong—my bad

[twin haven]

maybe you were talking about MiniLED? because the blacks isn't gonna be pure black when high ABL

[stuck sandal]

-# I think phones often juice up the contrast so the black level might look "deeper" because of that

[twin haven]

-# I

gotta search for more discord chat formats

[stuck sandal]

lol

[twin haven]

i got xiaomi g pro 27i and in high ABL blacks really are like hazy but still miles better than standard IPS

[robust wagon]

yeah Mini-LED's local dimming works like this: at higher brightness levels, you can achieve excellent black levels, but the ABL (Automatic Brightness Limiting) is quite aggressive.

[twin haven]

yeah depends on the monitor manufacturer too, if blacks-biased (aggresive dimming) or light-biased (not aggresive for brighter small lights)

[unkempt crypt]

wait we have reno working on vk now?

[robust wagon]

yes i'm using reno on vk

[unkempt crypt]

great in trying it now

[robust wagon]

vk s memory usage is much lower than dx11

However, it seems that VK's HDR isn't working properly—when I adjust Windows' SDR brightness slider, the game's brightness is affected. This doesn't happen with DX11 Reno

[unkempt crypt]

tried pinned file and get black screen

game is running properly from the background sound

[robust wagon]

I'm using this file.

[gloomy tulip]

You need a separate reshade build

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1454963368870809786

#1454963368870809786 message

[unkempt crypt]

i see, and what does "must use scrgb"mean?

[robust wagon]

oh so it not working on reshade6.7.1? 0.0

i dont understand scRGB too

[twin haven]

anyone getting ghosting in the yellow lines here too? dlss enabled
funny enough TAAU makes the top thin lines very invicible lol

dlss

TAAU

[robust wagon]

The preset is telling us not to use DLSS, but to use TAAU instead

[arctic echo]

Only matters if you turn that on, which is for using Reshade effects. Mainly AO. And the stuff besides HDR isn't actually in the VK build anyway.

Though the DLSS implementation in this game seems to be borked in several ways anyway.

[robust wagon]

[twin haven]

pixel DOF for example

not sure if taau too

[robust wagon]

fortunately my PC has enough performance, so don't need DLSS

[stable lava]

you can use DLAA then

[arctic echo]

DoF seems better on TAAU. Probably on DLAA also? So long as it's native res. But I tried switching to DLAA yesterday and ran into system borking from the leak(?) after a few hours. So that's also a problem, at least on DX11.

[woeful raven]

Only matters if you use reshade

[woeful raven]

Works fine

Sounds like a you issue

[robust wagon]

Someone above told me that maybe I used the wrong reshade version.

[robust wagon]

[unkempt crypt]

I'm having issue on renovk as well

can load the game no prob with modded reshade, however the plugin seems to do nothing to the game

I‘m not sure if there's anything missing since i still dont understand the scrgb thing

[robust wagon]

1. Install ReShade 6.7.1 to the game EXE, using Vulkan.
2. Replace reshade64.
3. Load it.
   For me the game runs fine too, but HDR has no effect.

[woeful raven]

If the plugin is doing nothing then you're doing something incorrectly

I.e. have an existing reshade install in your game folder

[robust wagon]

is it right?

[woeful raven]

im not gonna bother with this

cheers

[unkempt crypt]

I’m pretty sure that's not the case but ok

[median robin]

@dusky wave any chance Miru's fixed ping icon code can be implemented for us ultramemers? #1440801914165002322 message

[dusky wave]

Let me check, might have missed a shader here

[dusky wave]

no

I'll check

[spiral imp]

anyone here using steam recording for endfield... cant seem to set it up

[dusky wave]

[woeful raven]

if you want to record hdr use obs

[spiral imp]

Obs makes my game stutter when recording idk why

But not really interested in hdr recording, it's mostly for sharing clips with friends

I think it might be smth to do with freesync but I'm not sure

[robust wagon]

I find out why

[stuck sandal]

that's not true

[woeful raven]

^

[stuck sandal]

I think chatgpt got confused because windows auto hdr does stuff in scrgb iirc

[woeful raven]

plz uh dont spread slop misinfo

if your SDR content brightness slider affects the image

then that means the game is still using an sdr swapchain

ergo your addon is not working

[dusky wave]

fixed this, shader was lacking the ambient link code

[robust wagon]

I didn’t mean to spread misinformation, sorry. reno works fine for me with dx11, but I run into this issue with the vulkan version, so I asked gpt about it.

[dusky wave]

Just stick with DX11, avoid Spiwar VK unfinished slop

[sudden nest]

why use vk now

[woeful raven]

true

i should unpin this if so many users are gonna have trouble installing it

[robust wagon]

It might just be an issue with my sys env, so I’ll stick with the dx version of Reno for now : )

[sudden nest]

no point in using vk now anyway

[woeful raven]

the build is there for those who want to use it

less memory leak

and shit

i don't even use it

[sudden nest]

yeah but it still leaks

just restart the game

[woeful raven]

way slower than dicks 11

[robust wagon]

someone on reddit said that dx11 has a memory leak issue. i’m not sure if that’s actually true, but ideally i’d prefer to use vulkan if possible.

[woeful raven]

either way

[glacial kayak]

maybe just add the instructions to the pin

and maybe word the message more firmly that vk is a side thing

[sudden nest]

both leak

even vram leaks

[sudden nest]

honestly looks the same to me and hitches more

[woeful raven]

duh

which is why im not using it

but it;s there

[woeful raven]

done

[sudden nest]

id say add a warning or smth for people

[glacial kayak]

⚠️ Vulkan is a side project and will not be updated/supported at the same cadence as DX11

or something like that

[sudden nest]

or uhh vk is shit use dx11

[glacial kayak]

that's the default assumption for all vulkan games

[woeful raven]

amazin

it's inevitable

that you're gonna have this stutter fest

when they get rt working

[glacial kayak]

rt is permanently ios exclusive so we're good

only iphones are powerful enough

[simple nacelle]

I can’t use DLSS 4 on DX11, so I’m forced to use Vulkan.

[glacial kayak]

?

[woeful raven]

you can use dlss 4 on dx11

[glacial kayak]

no fg but that's not a huge price to pay for most builds

since the game isn't pushing much

[woeful raven]

fg is not even a question beacuse reshade doesn't support vk fg

[sudden nest]

i mean im already used to it thanks to wuwa

[woeful raven]

and upscaling model M/L is supported in dx11

[dusky wave]

TrustTM the plan. VK goat Ritsu will get it working

(once Crosire responds)

[woeful raven]

[muted thorn]

Hear me out

[woeful raven]

if you're gonna use that

might as well use LSFG

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/l-killer-bean-gif-16629089601247837920

[glacial kayak]

buy a 2nd gpu and run 2 instances of lossless scaling on both gpus

[simple nacelle]

Okay, I guess I’m just used to FG. I’ll try DX11 and see how it performs without FG

[strong vault]

[muted thorn]

For some reason Lossess feels worse than just smooth motion

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/brooker2x-oops-cringe-dog-black-dog-gif-12451936327287030661

[muted thorn]

I tried the two on here

[woeful raven]

FG is not even supported when using renoVK

[glacial kayak]

his FG is built different

[woeful raven]

amazin

[sudden nest]

abandon slop generation, you'll get used to it

[muted thorn]

But muh 240hz

[glacial kayak]

the human eye cannot see fps over 15

[sudden nest]

its not cs2 bro

[woeful raven]

I'll force slop generation on just for you

[muted thorn]

I paid for the whole speedometer so I'm gonnna use the whole speedometer

[sudden nest]

waiter waiter more slop please

x4 variant thanks

[woeful raven]

x6

mfg

always on

never disable

[sudden nest]

not even the dynamic one?

[woeful raven]

never dynamic

[sudden nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[woeful raven]

you always get 5 slop frames

[sudden nest]

vk 240 fps 1% 5 fps

[simple nacelle]

Honestly, I’m not familiar with this area. Why isn’t Endfield using DX12?

[robust wagon]

I noticed this red text. If I want to use DLSS, what should I do?

[woeful raven]

`does not matter

if you dont use

the reshade before ui option

[robust wagon]

so
dlss on = before ui on
dlss off = before ui off?

[strong vault]

no the reverse

If you want to use DLSS keep it at off

[woeful raven]

holy

[woeful raven]

^

[stable lava]

absolute sloppa

[dusky wave]

Mobileslop cant into DX

So they used VK for both PC and mobile as its easier

Problem for us is that VK has shenanigans

[rustic echo]

so umm smooth motion...is "fine" but make sure you lock it to 60, in this case. it's basically old genshin tactics...cause genshin

The more annoying part is smooth motion is a global setting ad eats a ton of vram just having it on, but that's a QoL issue, if you want your frames or not.

[robust wagon]

However, ARK’s optimization is still quite good.

[dusky wave]

welllllllll

Me, Spiwar and Miru have looked under the hood

the reason why the game is so 'well optimised'

isnt becasue of super secret sauce

the game has

• 3 meter draw distance
• Abysmal 3 polygon LODs
• SSR, GI, GTAO are running at 720p or lower
• half rate shading

SSR, GTAO and DoF all have wobble wobble

The art design and material PBR/NPR work is what is currently carrying the game

[muted thorn]

I honestly only have it on to hit 240

[unkempt pulsar]

shadows also look dogwater

[robust wagon]

but the game seems to have decent visuals.
The most important is: why are HDR and rt exclusive to iOS? Our PCs have such strong performance—why don't we get these features? Ugh...

[unkempt pulsar]

game doesn't do hdr on ios

[robust wagon]

iOS A19pro andM5

[unkempt pulsar]

rt in some scenes, yes

not hdr

[twin haven]

is it better than Lossless?

don't have rtx compatible card

[dusky wave]

The game has good art design and their PBR/NPR is fantastic

but if you look closer you'll see a lot of 'slop'

[sudden nest]

should be the same? Lsfg is more customizable tho

[sudden nest]

and you can run it on a second gpu

[rustic echo]

no way is smooth motion and LSFG the same

[sudden nest]

dunno I tried a while ago and looked similar

[unkempt pulsar]

the game also stutters out the ass and leaks both ram and vram

[dusky wave]

[unkempt pulsar]

i wouldn't call that particularly optimised

[dusky wave]

It just runs at 120FPS locked on 'highest' settings on a toaster

so its 'optimised'

but their 'highest' settings would be low on another title

particularly distant LODs and draw distance

and well SSR,GTAO ect all being 720p or lower

[rustic echo]

they're totally different. on first glance you can feel similar on high enough frame rates, but you notice quick something is off with lostless. Especially input latency. People have done deep dives into lossless tech vs other. LSFG fundamentally does not use complicated frame insertion, or hardware specific support. It's basically just interweaving.

Smooth motion on the other hand is very limited, but it's pretty good at what it does in that limit.

Smooth motion also has a trick that it can buffer frames internally, so it's a different pipeline then LSFG

[muted thorn]

For me it is, I've tried almost everything when it comes to messing with Lossless and it's still worse for me. Maybe there's some golden setting I haven't messed with that'll make it as good as smooth motion for me

[sudden nest]

chill bro i tried a while ago for 5 minutes😭

[rustic echo]

game specific, but smooth motion will have better results with no fps lock games. In general you should be locking frames on either tech

it's mostly whatever nvidia is doing with it's frame buffer internally, lostless can't

[muted thorn]

I only use it in 2 games at the moment, luckily they both tend to stay at 120 so no weirdness on my end

[rustic echo]

I mean if you really deep dive into the tech, there's a few long segments that goes into it pixel by pixel. but it TLDR to LSFG basically adds a motion blur frame to frames, where nvidia adds the frame with only changes to to specific pixels. So smooth motion feels "better" because Nvidia is really faking portions of the frame, not a full frame like LSFG.

[robust wagon]

does enabling 16x anisotropic filtering help improve image quality?

[rustic echo]

modern games are control engine side. reason nvidia app labels it as legacy.

[fleet socket]

HOW TO OPTIMIZE YOUR GAME: make it look like shit with super low settings and call them highest

[unkempt crypt]

Modern graphics api are optimized so there's not much developers can do other than make less things render at real time. Like baked lighting and beautiful hand draw texture, and that require workhour

[stable lava]

https://tenor.com/view/ue5-unreal-engine-unreal-unreal-engine-5-threat-interactive-gif-12177103837403100126

[unkempt crypt]

So "optimization" nowadays usually doesn't mean wizard tech work, just more manpower pouring into the project

[fleet socket]

this is true but its worth noting that developers love using said apis in the worst way possible

[stable lava]

Endfield could look much better and not run much slower

it's just a mobile port without much effort put into it

[fleet socket]

i honestly don't understand how people can play games like endfield, wuwa, etc on mobile

sounds extremely painful

[unkempt pulsar]

i like doing dailies and checking on my factory on my ipad

but combat? noooope

[fleet socket]

yeah doing dailies etc is fine. but actually playing the game properly??

[rustic echo]

I mean we hate it cause it scales badly on hardware not because its unoptimized

[unkempt pulsar]

idk man it does stutter a lot, even if average frame rate is high

[rustic echo]

It has its mistakes not all of them in the name of optimization… but its runs this well on piss poor hardware at this fiedeldity is a good thing

[fleet socket]

i don't really have stutters other than traversal ones

[rustic echo]

As usual of mobile slop, it just stops giving at a certain spec

[unkempt pulsar]

well i traverse the map a lot

[stable lava]

wuwa does scale far higher thanks to its RT

[stuck sandal]

Not really. Vulkan, DX12, and Metal are actually lower-level than older graphics APIs like OpenGL or DX11. This means they give developers more control and more responsibility for optimization.

[unkempt crypt]

This i agree, even no option to turn off the motion blur and DOF on PC

[unkempt pulsar]

early dx12 and vulkan titles pretty universally ran like shit because of this

[stuck sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-nod-nod-kermit-kermit-the-frog-gif-462345856512872323

[robust wagon]

nonono, make it look like cake with super low settings and call them highest thats cool

[rustic echo]

Or just cap internal resolution and call it native

Or if you’re nioh, cap fps at 30 and call it 120

[robust wagon]

Has anyone played Helldivers 2? The game recently hired a third party to optimize it, and its size was reduced from 135 GB to just 30 GB—wow!

[stable lava]

(they just de-duplicated assets because they thought it mattered for HDDs)

[twin haven]

is the warping of UI like you see in Lossless also there or not as severe?

[muted thorn]

It's there but I'd say rare

[robust wagon]

Actually, it's not important at all—in fact, it just wastes SSD space. I feel wuwa is too large now; it's already up to 130 GB...

[twin haven]

i thought it's predownload as others says, it's getting in leagues with triple A games lol

i thought it's gonna be halved

[woeful raven]

hdr is not on ios

[glacial kayak]

HDR is a lie invented to sell more tvs and monitors so they don't need it on ios

[rustic echo]

Ironic because that’s the only place YouTube hdr works outside of the ytapp

Android doesn’t even let you watch. HDR without jumping through hoops

No need to mention autohdr

[dusky wave]

• fixed missing cubemap ambient link for deferred shaders
• disabled debug logging (I dont know if this will help with CPU perf or not)

[twin haven]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[woeful raven]

Android is ok

[dusky wave]

Tested disabling SSR denoiser

And yh, DLSS stops the shimmering

But the problem is that areas around the reflection now shimmer

Might be something with their temporal neighbour code

[brittle abyss]

That's hilarious

[dusky wave]

Well which of the two is going to be better

• basic ass Unity denoiser

• Jensen's super duper AIslop upscaler that's specifically designed to work well even at 240p

@stuck sandal

By disabling I mean modifying the shader code

There's no easy toggle for the game yet

Let me see if I can fix surrounding areas shimmering

Otherwise toggling off SSR denoiser and just using DLSS trashformer preset 'Focus M' will get you cleaner and no shimmer reflections

@gloomy tulip

You might be interested in playing around with this as well

their native denoiser is also cutting out a lot of reflective detail

Now I want to try fixing the surrounding shimmer

let me check other areas to see if their griefed

[stuck sandal]

I was wondering if people were going to try to disable denoising with reno lol

[dusky wave]

kinda griefed

that 720p SSR is kill

This part atleast

[rustic echo]

Well the RR plugin is installed on endfield I think even if it’s not doing anything

It’s going to be a perf hit and preset k slop but if theirs a unity code to switch to RR pipeline… it may solve everything at cost

I’ve solved a ton of UE artifacts this way ramming RR in

[dusky wave]

Running DLAA increases the SSR g-buffer res and SSR denoiser off looks 'playble'

[rustic echo]

Like shadow artifacts suddenly fixed it self with RR

I am not sure if unity even has an auto RR toggle though like UE

[strong vault]

Which model did you try Forge, K?

[dusky wave]

Preset M

[strong vault]

We are cooked

[strong vault]

if rrlite cannot solve it

[dusky wave]

reflections do indeed end up cleaner and more prominant but theres still a bunch of fireflies artefacts everywhere

[rustic echo]

The digital foundry people made a vid on it, apparently DLSS4.5 doesn’t play well with in game slop denoisers on top, cause AI is so good it just wants the raw data, not that temporal slop

[strong vault]

Yeah I saw that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0qyNCVMUNg

It can even denoise PT to some extent which is wild

[rustic echo]

So… interesting fact you can use DLSS- native (ish) without dlaa overhead

[dusky wave]

I'll try and see if I could add a little bit of denoising just to tackle firefly artefacts but still keep it cleaner than base SSR denoiser

[rustic echo]

Set scaling override to 99%

I’m going to try that later

[dusky wave]

Goofy ahh temu RT reflections

[gloomy tulip]

I don’t really want to run preset M or L on my 30series

[rustic echo]

Certainly improved but how is it in motion?

[waxen delta]

thank you for the work on the VK add-on, I know it was a pain in the ass and y'all didn't want to do it but I appreciate it nonetheless 🙏

[rustic echo]

Ram in RR? I think they have the DLL there just for funnies?

Well anti cheat doesn’t care about those streamline files anyway. Like other ACEs

[woeful raven]

It also works on preset k to a certain extent

[woeful raven]

More slop you'll have to move to vk eventually

[dusky wave]

@rustic echo I'll share a build with the experimental SSR denoiser toggle

I managed to reduce firefly artefacts well enough

[woeful raven]

Forge embracing transformer 2

Jensen is proud

[dusky wave]

vanilla denoiser is hot shit

• 720p SSR

[woeful raven]

Slop it out bud i'll be home with me london fog soon

Time to see my 540p SSR become pristine

[gloomy tulip]

I’m proud to be Jensen product user tho

[dusky wave]

if the SSR was atleast 1440p

it would actually be kino

rn with my toggle

No fireflies and no shimmer

but cleaner

[woeful raven]

just use native res

[gloomy tulip]

Dunno how it deals with the bad ssr upscaling gap

[woeful raven]

And get 1080p ssr

[gloomy tulip]

It’s been so bad in front of bodies of water

Half res ssr

[rustic echo]

half res ssr is standard config no? I think it has more to do with improper scaling.

[gloomy tulip]

Yes but this developer is not competent, they don’t use full resolution depth to upscale

It’s like standard method from 2011

[woeful raven]

As such even when playing in native 4k

Shit looks

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-absolute-garbage-absolute-trash-absolute-cine-trashy-gif-14036286597131193151

[rustic echo]

This is what you get moving away from 2d pixel scrollers from the webbrowser age

[woeful raven]

Trash ssr
Trash ao

Asset quality hard carry

[rustic echo]

I have yet to be able to boot up NTE, but we'll see if all the engine gimmicks in the world can just beat plain old good assets and design

streams of CN NTE does not inspire me confidence

[dusky wave]

RT at home or something

@stuck sandal

[gloomy tulip]

Hmm that looks kinda weird, as if the stone blocks on the wall become fully smooth

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/f---ing-outstanding-sir-tommy-norris-landman-excellent-incredible-gif-10096789409562222244

[dusky wave]

its metal

do you mean the copper ones?

bronze or whatever

I can play around with the strength and reduce it

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah the bronze

I think you might’ve disabled the roughness filtering for ssr hmm

[dusky wave]

Let me check

I am embracing early RT is all

make everything into a mirror

have to market RT reflections

[dusky wave]

I did

Truly

I did the meme

'GTA 5 wet road reflections'

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/please-lord-tommy-norris-landman-praying-pleading-gif-8642592288174152157

[stuck sandal]

-# I thought the same thing lol

since the wood here is so reflective
https://discordapp.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1440801914165002322/1469095594957213727

[dusky wave]

vanilla / better trashformer denoising / kino super duper reflection edition (I dont care if its not physically correct)

[woeful raven]

damn

forgeslopmax

[stable lava]

all this effort going to waste once 1.1 hits and we get pt

[dusky wave]

PT will still use SSR on top

you just know

[stable lava]

the wuwa strat

[woeful raven]

rt is lucky

pt is maxcope

[stable lava]

i will cope pt into existence dw about it

[dusky wave]

@gloomy tulip an ideas how I would go about targetting roughness filter?

I want my Control super duper reflective surfaces in areas like the lab but I dont want wood to become polishmaxx3000

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven i am sorry to say

removing denoiser does fuck all

it was all a placebo

of me removing roughness filtering

[woeful raven]

kek w

[dusky wave]

I can try removing denoising for shadows next

inb4 that also does fuck all

[dusky wave]

it helps a bit with vanilla fireflies

[gloomy tulip]

Its hard to determine which, because the filtering includes both roughness filtering + spatial filtering

[dusky wave]

yes, thats were I messed up

because I saw blur and thought hur dur

lemme remove

now I realised it was controlling roughness filtering

Full placebo

[gloomy tulip]

My half res assessment isnt fully correct tho, it uses half res + blended full res for roughness > x surfaces

And below that would use full res

I think the roughness threshold is 0.25

Maybe you can try disabling the spatial blur when using lower mips

Its this pass

[dusky wave]

I really need to use Nsight, I am doing everything via devkit like some neanderthal

[rustic echo]

Dem stonemasons were cheating with future tech confirmed?

[gloomy tulip]

DX11 is hacking tool 🙁

It seems like denoising is done during the temporal pass as well

Looks like a blur kernel

Before vs after temporal

Maybe you can disable the temporal to let those noises in XD

[dusky wave]

this is the SSR temporal?

I was modifying it

but the fireflies are abysmal

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah SSR temporal

It does variance based smoothing of previous SSR, then blend to current one

Maybe if you disabling that smoothing it would be more raw noise

[dusky wave]

RIP

firefly shimmer city

[gloomy tulip]

Ngl I coundt see XD

[dusky wave]

this works

vanilla / modified

[woeful raven]

thats why you need to move to vulkan bud

embrace the inevitability

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven its all good

not a complete placebo

[woeful raven]

alright

[woeful raven]

im done with wuwa shader dumpster diving

drop me the build

[dusky wave]

uno memento por favor

ok I got good enough denoising and increased reflective amount for the surfaces I want but others like wood arent mirrors

Decent enough copeTM solution until RT

[sturdy osprey]

this is crazy

i swear dlss is the most useful thing that came out of all this ai nonsense

they are going to pack dlss 5 so hard that its gonna recreate almost flawless 4k image from 1080p

[rustic echo]

SSR plus ultra

is this specific to reflections or did lighting get a bump from SSR quality up?

not sure if the game has reflection capture etc type of system

[dusky wave]

Just SSR here

It should have less flickering and existing reflective materials will have more reflectionsTM

Wood, stones and other stuff in-game that are reflecting shouldnt be mirrors now

[woeful raven]

cubemaps ambient link kinda fuck with some senvironments though

they really rely on that shit

too dark with ambient link here tbh

[dusky wave]

• Added experimental SSR mode

[dusky wave]

yes, they use it to overbrighten some areas meanwhile other ares end up borked

What I can do is increase the min floor further

so instead of 15% I make it 25 or something

[woeful raven]

then again some of the other areas look abysmal

with the ambient link

one sec

let me grab the latest build

maybe I was using the one

without the floor fix

[rustic echo]

I found it's mostly with iconic scenes, probably related to cutscenes or quests. Whatever f-up interns do always affects downstream work, like clockwork.

[woeful raven]

yeah i'd say need a slight tweak to the floor

[rustic echo]

15 is ok, if you like spooky, but ya, i also feel it needs a little more.

[woeful raven]

the details are still there on OLED

[rustic echo]

at 15, you can tell "it's not black" black

[woeful raven]

but looks a bit too dark

[dusky wave]

stay in that place, I cant go there again

let me do 25%

[woeful raven]

lmao

i just raised the water level

its probably possible to bring it back down

[dusky wave]

Nope

the panel thing doesnt work

[woeful raven]

guess u could just slap in

20 or 25

and then wait until someone finds an issue area with it

https://tenor.com/view/you-gotta-be-s-ting-me-tommy-norris-landman-you-have-got-to-be-kidding-me-billy-bob-thornton-gif-18425356434038728756

[dusky wave]

had this today

[rustic echo]

spi just realize a new problem with civil engineering?

[woeful raven]

nothing a quick dumb transfer can't fix

[dusky wave]

• Added experimental SSR improvement mode
• Raised ambient link min floor to 25% (stops previously grief areas from being too dark)

[gloomy tulip]

I think bro spent all his time modding

[gloomy tulip]

Hmmm did you see my earlier slop code fix for ambient reflection darkening

Seems to work quite well

[gloomy tulip]

Oh I saw that you reacted to it XD

[rustic echo]

Wuling threw me for a loop too...I was like, i'm rich....nope, not in wuling. you poor bum. Seperate inventory, separate currency...WTF do you mean you don't take my bills here! Fffffffffk

[gloomy tulip]

WTF

Why

Thats so dumb

[rustic echo]

Lore? haha

I feel like by 2.0 Endfield will turn into Apple. They are not just a customized engineering company, they are also a financial and logistics company.

Take over every part of economy, one patch at a time. Cause no one else wants to.

@dusky wave 25 looks like the sweet spot

this was vanilla and zero

[gloomy tulip]

Stole that from SSR temporal shader

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-jawline-rizz-rizz-face-sigma-gif-15344650371968005580

[gloomy tulip]

Math has always been based

They created the sigma male before the world even knew what a simga was

[dusky wave]

which one? I am losing track with the amount of stuff going on

the sky luminance one?

Dunno, I think I fudged up somewhere

it looked borked on my end

so I just went back to the older method

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah the one in my replied message

[rustic echo]

I think you borked the SSR mode. It's fireflying everywhere on or off, and no reflection difference

[dusky wave]

Reflections difference will only happen on certain materials

check the hub base that I had

in the vid

fireflying shouldnt be happening

wait, you're saying its happening with it on or off?

[rustic echo]

same image off

[dusky wave]

Dijon has a shader I havent patched

They have two shaders there that changed depending on where you are on the ship

let me do it now

[rustic echo]

but artifacting with it off, means the orginal denoiser is off permenently regardless of toggle?

let me check hub

[dusky wave]

no

off means vanilla code runs

thats why I didnt name it 'off'

but rather 'Vanilla'

[rustic echo]

trying to boot up an old version of addon

stablity in my head or in my dreams?

[dusky wave]

Vanilla is still causing fireflies?

[rustic echo]

you unpinned old version, so give me a sec lol

[rustic echo]

nope, it seems you had it right, it was just vanilla jank that was always there. My mind played tricks on me looking good

[dusky wave]

Its wierd

I think we've been memoryholed

I thought vanilla SSR was fine

but now, you just see fireflies everywhere and it looks shimmery

[rustic echo]

dead pixel theory again

[dusky wave]

• Added experimental SSR improvement mode
• Patched Dijon SSR shader to work with above
• Raised ambient link min floor to 25% (stops previously grief areas from being too dark)

[rustic echo]

hmm so even DLSS-Q is kinda bad, resolution wise, now that we have mirrors

Let me see if I can force DLSS 99% 88% my bad

aka DLnotAA

at least reflection wise, still not winning the fps/visual difference of TAAU, though reflections up is nice

trying preset L, since it suposely has better noise resolve

still have DLSS jank, and hard to beat TAAU in performance, but the shiny reflections work regardless of TAAU

[dusky wave]

TAAU can handle the fireflies?

[woeful raven]

taau isnt too noisy

[dusky wave]

If it works then I might as well remove the warning

[rustic echo]

have to test other places, but so far...it's doing fine on higher reflectivity

TAAU blurring is saving it I think

[dusky wave]

should I default toggle to 'Improved'?

[rustic echo]

I would say yes, TAAU is not losing anything so far I've tested, let me head over to wuling

[woeful raven]

Do it

[rain sundial]

what are the pros and cons using the vulkan reno vs the dx11 reno (if i only care for the hdr/color sliders)?

[dusky wave]

VK reno has only HDR

[woeful raven]

none

[dusky wave]

DX11 has rendering improvements

[woeful raven]

Forge time to slop over dicks 11

[dusky wave]

VK reno is Spiwar slop

DX11 is Spiwar / Forge coop slop

[woeful raven]

Use the script i gave u

[dusky wave]

I said I wont until I finish Wuling story

[woeful raven]

99% works (40/41 times)

Oh shit

Yea u gotta finish that bud

[dusky wave]

me be like

let me finish story

5 seconds later

hur dur I need to experiment

[rustic echo]

ok so found a spot, DLAA was superior to TAAU in reflections

so TAAU can't always win

so i would say "as it should" fix now

still DLSS weird jank on other areas, so whatever their DLSS implimentation is, it's weird

[gloomy tulip]

I think the game could be using jitter that's not nvidia DLSS's

That could explain why temporal resolve isnt as good

DLSS also caused lumen boiling in other games than TSR iirc

[rustic echo]

In terms of performance, forge's latest patch, at least makes things regular

5-10% spread between DLAA - TAAU - DLSSQ-B-P

and appropriate quality drops

so reflections is a matter of taste, which most people will take. it is indeed temu-RTR

DLAA is very clear, where TAAU is blurry, and DLSS suffers from resolutions

[robust wagon]

wow

[dusky wave]

You could say its not 'creative intent' but I know damn well they will decrease roughness with RTR anyways

To sell the reflections

Atleast I am now targetting materials better than a blanket roughness removal causing wood to become a mirror

Reno HDR / Reno with all~~ improvements~~ deprovements

[stuck sandal]

could be a $15 next gen upgrade :p