but ya if it's too much don't worry about it
#Arknights + AK Endfield
rustic echo
gloomy tulip
Can you like use half resolution
I don’t see scgi prefiltering depth mipmaps to reduce texture fetch
Maybe I missed that
But it’s still just gtao with bitmask at the core I think
rustic echo
But it’s still just gtao with bitmask at the core I think
possible, it's not as visually impressive, but the depthmap does show a proper GI
i mean it looks like GI is working pretty well
i just don't have a monitor to say it's hdr able
gloomy tulip
Which rtao shader are you guys talking about
rustic echo
is reshade bypass before or after UI?
gloomy tulip
vulkan memory leak 
grizzled herald
VRAM leak is even worse to me on DX11. 32 GB last for less than 1 hour sometimes. 4K DLSS Q model M maybe ramps things up a bit.
rustic echo
So I'm guessing I did something wrong
you did not do anything wrong, turns out it was REST, even with it just being on black screen it. Also it took a bunch of reshade reload settings to get it to redo settings. Overall, for a "final final" eeehh not really final. rip
ok I got the reported crash in deijang,~~ when Reshade is bypass before UI-ON.~~ even with it bypass before ui off...so..ya..i guess it's more common then it seems
arctic echo
ok I got the reported crash in deijang,~~ when Reshade is bypass before UI-ON.~~...
What resolution are you on?
rustic echo
What resolution are you on?
4k
TAAU, i should try to grab a reno nightly reshade build next time, totally forgot that was a thing
it's the exact spot as reported, i simply have to pan the camera slightly and crash
arctic echo
Found another spot in Valley Pass that likely has a related crash, if you want to check that as well.
dusky wave
Don't think either me or Spiwar have gotten to either zone yet
So could be different shaders proccing
rustic echo
easy to check, just turn reno mod off and turn on depth.fx
brittle abyss
Hey ! I see the bypass is getting there ! Are lilium's shader failing to load normal ? Or did I bork something in my reshade options ?
dusky wave
Normal
Liliums will fail to compile when bypass is on, disable bypass and reload shaders to get them to compile again
rustic echo
Hey ! I see the bypass is getting there ! Are lilium's shader failing to load no...
you can't use those shaders with bypass UI
brittle abyss
Ok thank you guys for the confirmation ! First look at RTAO with bypass is very pleasant, not gonna lie !
rustic echo
here's hoping you don't crash on a magical spot
dusky wave
Found another spot in Valley Pass that likely has a related crash, if you want t...
Log?
rustic echo
i'll try the reno nightly build later...maybe it's some special reshade thing
dusky wave
I can test setting my native res to a bunch of options and see if that proccs
rustic echo
while not pixel perfect, i was running around that area multiple time before i landed on the right spot
so it may exist, but at least not casual enough hit it. though Deijang you'll likely run around that area multiple times
brittle abyss
Liliums will fail to compile when bypass is on, disable bypass and reload shader...
another question : should we use the lumaflow shader ?
dusky wave
so it may exist, but at least not casual enough hit it. though Deijang you'll li...
I'm not sure, both me and Spiwar have ran through that area a bunch of times. I even removed resource cloning + other code in the hopes it'll solve it
Dunno maybe when we get to Wuling, we'll start CTDing as well
dusky wave
another question : should we use the lumaflow shader ?
Follow the instructions on the pin
I guess depending on which shader you use, it'll be different
We found LumeniteFX RTAO to look good whilst explicitly supporting HDR output
Other shaders have SDR clamps which cause visual artefacts and require modifications to get working... Which we then can't share because of licensing
brittle abyss
We found LumeniteFX RTAO to look good whilst explicitly supporting HDR output
I mean the optical flow shader of LumeniteFX. It says it provides motion information for other shaders.
dusky wave
Other optical flow shaders might have SDR clamps
So I'd just use the one in LumenitrFX
brittle abyss
So I'd just use the one in LumenitrFX
Thats exactly what i'm talking about
it's called LUMENITE : LumaFlow. It's included in lumenite shaders.
brittle abyss
all you need is the kernel
That's what I wanted to know ! thanks !
arctic echo
while not pixel perfect, i was running around that area multiple time before i l...
The one in Valley Pass? It's next to a TP point. Though the reason I looked in that direction was mainly cause there was a shared zipline there
rustic echo
flow is for other developer shaders...and probably his own internal projects to be released in the future
dusky wave
That's what I wanted to know ! thanks !
Ahh soryy
Misunderstood
Yh flow isn't needed, kernel is handling motion vectors for RTAO
delicate pewter
why does my game look like this lol
you are casting an invert mask of the image, it's literary upside down lol
dusky wave
Wuling might have different deferred lighting shaders so bypass isn't activating
I haven't gotten to Wuling yet, apologies
royal solar
Wuling might have different deferred lighting shaders so bypass isn't activating
happens on Wuling area only
spiral imp
not sure what could be
but my game is crashing
instantly
with the addon
in this area
if i remove the addon I can play fine
spiral imp
no shader folder, generic depth unchecked, and addon toggle set to off still crashing
can only stop it from crashing by removing the .addon itself
anyone able to replicate just to see if it's a me issue?
mighty palm
anyone able to replicate just to see if it's a me issue?
#1440801914165002322 message not just you it seems
mighty palm
ill try too if I crash
dusky wave
no shader folder, generic depth unchecked, and addon toggle set to off still cra...
generic depth has to be checked
AO shader needs depth
wait
royal solar
https://github.com/umar-afzaal/LumeniteFX
Does Martys RTGI works too?
dusky wave
i was just testing things on and off to see what might be causing the crash
send a log
spiral imp
i recompiled vk shaders and now gonna launch in dx11 like spiwar said
spiral imp
yeah crashed <:despairge:1409648830307369061>
ive noticed it also only happens when you look to the right side
it's like there's something that loads that procs the crash
arctic echo
I went to try and get a log in Valley Pass and now it doesn't crash??? Still crashed in Dijiang though.
mighty palm
I launched the game, slightly panned my camera to crash and crashed (valley pass area) and here is my log ...
dusky wave
Both of you test this
spiral imp
Both of you test this
crash for me with this
all this crashing has made my windows have visual glitches lmao
mighty palm
crashed too
mighty palm
this addon isnt crashing for me
same
arctic echo
Both of you test this
Crashed as well
dusky wave
spiral imp
im on amd, not sure if that matter or not
dusky wave
We have users on Blackwell who also have the CTD
median robin
I also crashed from the Valley Pass location
arctic echo
One guy had a 5070 I think. I'm on a 3070
median robin
3080 here
mighty palm
3080 too
strong vault
I dont crash there but I am using older addon which lets you use sub native with reshade bypass
4070
arctic echo
I dont crash there but I am using older addon which lets you use sub native with...
Yeah, that version doesn't seem to have the same issue
wet raptor
Crashes for me as well in the valley, 4070 Super
woeful raven
Hello people
Everyone whos crashing
Use the uberpost bypass
And let me know if it still crashes
#1440801914165002322 message
woeful raven
Lol
dusky wave
got some debooging setup
damn users cursed me with CTDs now
well the game isnt crashing
its freezing
which stops logging
I'll need to run Visual studio debooger like Pumbo showed me with Luma
woeful raven
wet raptor
And let me know if it still crashes
Yeah no crashes with the uberpost bypass
dusky wave
uberpost bypass is slop
and slop works
but good stuff doesnt work
like clockwork
dusky wave
I've learnt a lot from this addon
Musa The Goat's max channel Termite Fiend method
how we can hack together tonemapAss whilst having custom settings
OK, debug logged some stuff for me
dusky wave
time to check
@woeful raven the freeze happens even if I comment out shader bypass
test on your end
0x37837806,
0xD3FA93FC,
instead of ubers
woeful raven
What if u comment out the bypass function entirely
rustic echo
And on chars
I mean realistically characters look much better with AO shader, especially cutscenes. Panda be a side character for life
woeful raven
Can build the addon but can't test since im not in the supposed area where the crash happens
woeful raven
I mean realistically characters look much better with AO shader, especially cuts...
if we ignore the panda the rest looks fine sure
woeful raven
<@221530925849116672> the freeze happens even if I comment out shader bypass
What if its related to the hair bangs
dusky wave
People were reporting CTD before bang fix
rustic echo
such is life of modding, i mean the only way is to exclude his assets...or...clone his body over it?
woeful raven
Can u send the csos for the bypassed shaders
Ill make a build
If only we can bypass using hash only
woeful raven
such is life of modding, i mean the only way is to exclude his assets...or...clo...
Or just fix whatever issue we're having now
Ao on some char is nice but not necessary
dusky wave
Ill make a build
dusky wave
If it is i'll just graft bang fix onto your version
completely commented out bypass
still CTDs
woeful raven
still CTDs
Did you revert
dusky wave
My shit is just broken
woeful raven
Your resource cloning disable
woeful raven
Lemme see if i can remotely slop out a build on the bus
strong vault
if we ignore the panda the rest looks fine sure
What problem is there on panda
dusky wave
^
AO will apply on DoF
and on FX
and particles
Theres a wall of particles aboard Dijon that has black halos
looks like ass
strong vault
I didnt realised that because of clankerGI 
woeful raven
secret sauce
woeful raven
Ya you might wanna rebase
dusky wave
I messed up somewhere when trying bypass I guess
woeful raven
I cleaned up the tree
dusky wave
secret sauce
woeful raven
I still have this one as on drawn
Instead of on render target change
But if u were crashing w bypass disabled entirely tthen yeah thats likely not the issue
dusky wave
nope
it still CTDs
it doesnt in Dijon
but in valley pass TP
near the denstack
still freezes
gloomy tulip
I think I got somewhat correct visibility bitmask now
Looks odd compared to horizon ao tho
woeful raven
Da truck looks less grounded yea
restive summit
Do I need to do this ?
woeful raven
Do I need to do this ?
No
gloomy tulip
dusky wave
Do I need to do this ?
This is for external AO
woeful raven
doesnt freeze with uberslop bypass
Still froze w new build?
dusky wave
Dijon doesnt but that TP near denstack in Valley pass does
restive summit
This is for external AO
Ohh, okay thanks
grizzled herald
Not a single crash here so far, but I'm using an old build. Compiled on Jan 25 10:19:08. v. 125.1631
gloomy tulip
Large scale AO is much better tho
Because bitmask assumes the thickness of pixels and do horizon AO from the back
dusky wave
we're just going to have to port Miru's AO at this point
reshade bypass is being a PITA
woeful raven
So it still crashed w new build?
dusky wave
Luma time 
(Dread having to update Luma in a GAAS gatcha)
Pumbo does not recommend it
strong vault
If only we had RT
rustic echo
do the shaders behave the same in vulkan?
i know dx11 has a ton of funk even on vanilla reshade
not even reno involved
i've randomly crash for no reason on dx11 reshade, though i can't say it's always in the same spot
may not be a reno problem just compounded
stable bloom
If only we had RT
rt isn't even on unity roadmap for vk request thread on their forum been opened since 2022
rustic echo
they probably not doing RT, unless their games falls to competition, like NTE
they're going to likely slop maintenance like genshin did. forever 60fps
NTE having the full UE5 gimmick if it eats at their revenue might change their tune
stable lava
rt isn't even on unity roadmap for vk request thread on their forum been opened ...
mobile does have rt reflections so they must have implemented something custom
dusky wave
We're trying a few things
I cant go back to slop vanilla AO
but this freezing is straight balderdash
rustic echo
well using ReVeil.fx isn't half bad at the fog problem
not a real fix, but it quite improvement
(on the old version that doesn't crash)
strong vault
DOF
rustic echo
ReViel is a little more complicated, it's far far far from perfect, but it does a poor man's clean up
rustic echo
with reshade
did not screenshot convert from hdr, is there a setting?
woeful raven
Reshade screenshot function spawns a hdr png in your game folder
You can post it here
And itll just work
fluid patio
Another dumb question. Does regular reshade vulkan work in Endfield?
fluid patio
3080 so no frame gen for me anyways, just wanted to adjust contrast and exposure. Game seems a little washed out for me in bright areas
dusky wave
lack of good AO
and shadow hardening for grass/foliage
The game itself isnt 'washed' out
its just lack of effects that add contrast via grounding
like AO
fluid patio
You would know better technically than me for sure but subjectively I thought the new reno ao in the pictures here were too harsh for my taste
woeful raven
You can tune the values yourself
strong vault
You can adjust the strenght of ao
fluid patio
I appreciate that, I'm just keeping up with the updates here while I wait for the memory leak fix
woeful raven
There is no memory leak fix from us
fluid patio
I was referring to the game devs to fix it
woeful raven
Well time to spam hg with requests
rustic echo
the crash or the AO?
dusky wave
the freeze
its caused by bad shader decomp
I will look at what REST does
since it can do all this shader bypass without needing the shader .hlsl to be present inside of the addon
it just goes by shader hash and bypasses
gloomy tulip
Slopped bitmask ao and analytical ao from original gtao together
rustic echo
ngl what am I looking at?
gloomy tulip
You can flick between the pictures and see large scale AO added
rustic echo
ah i see it now
dusky wave
Slop fixed
- Renders after deferred lighting so needs DLAA/TAAU 100%
- Uses a similar system to REST for shader CRCs internally, doesnt need decompiled hlsl inside the addon. Should stop all freezes now
woeful raven
wasn't the forgeslop cmake after all
dusky wave
Fellas test addon
rustic echo
so no more DLSS for us then?
dusky wave
I wanted to get around to it
but then this freeze occured
so I wasted my day debugging
rustic echo
sleep is also a thing you know
woeful raven
so no more DLSS for us then?
Keep using the uberpost version
median robin
@dusky wave no freezing in valley pass anymore
delicate sand
no freezing at dijiang anymore
rustic echo
confirmed no crashes
rustic echo
ya the uber post version kinda nice, since people can play with SDR-ish RTGI and stuff
oh well, stuff must go
woeful raven
ya the uber post version kinda nice, since people can play with SDR-ish RTGI and...
you can also play with that with the current version
only difference right now is dlss support
woeful raven
My slop works
now make that slop work on dlss
rustic echo
you can also play with that with the current version
it will exclude characters, so GI be kinda wack, but it's after all coop RT
rustic echo
is it? I never like GI that starts excluding objects
grizzled herald
**Slop fixed**
- Renders after deferred lighting so needs DLAA/TAAU 100%
- Use...
DLAA/TAAAU 100% is only if using AO effects?
I liked the shadows under the grass that you added. Are those still there?
stable lava
the game is very easy to run anyway
im doing everything max with Preset M at DLAA and still hitting 120fps (5070ti)
strong vault
I cant maintain 120 with 4070 at DLAA with RTAO so I will be waiting for DLSS fix
dusky wave
I can do 120 locked but the heat and energy consumption in my room I don't like
The 5% visual improvements ain't worth it to me over DLSS Q
Let me get around to adding upscaling support
I fixed it via cbuffers in POE2 so it's probably the same here
median robin
correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to work fine on dlss q?
dusky wave
characters arent bypassed
is Reshade bypass toggled on?
because AO should not be rendering on top of character models
or are you using Spiwar's Uberpost version
that one works with upscaling but renders AO on top of DoF, particles, FX and everything else
median robin
no I'm using the latest one you posted. Bypass is toggled on
but yeah if AO is not supposed to be on top of character models, I guess it isn't working as it's supposed to
dusky wave
which one are you using
Spiwar's works with upscaling and applies to everything but UI, my ones dont
- Fixed up some internal code
- Disabled cloning and other resource upgrade code again (to improve mem and VRAM issues maybe)
- Hair bangs shadow fix included again
- AO now applies on to grass/foliage again
- Added red text explaining shader bypass
median robin
which one are you using
I'm using this one #1440801914165002322 message
which was why I was asking, cause I understood it that your version doesn't work at all with upscaling
grizzled herald
- Fixed up some internal code
- Disabled cloning and other resource upgrade code...
I got lost with all the AO talk haha. Does it need an external shader now? If I just want grass shadows at the moment can I toggle off AO and use DLSS?
dusky wave
No way... I added RT /s
rustic echo
Improved shadows on Native = also shimmering in some areas, DLSS cleans it up...by virture of well DLSS slop helps in this case.
rustic echo
No way... I added RT /s
pretty reflections~
is there an equivalent of r.NGX.DLSS.DilateMotionVectors=1 in unity?
dusky wave
IOS RT at home
(Might add this as an option)
dusky wave
is there an equivalent of r.NGX.DLSS.DilateMotionVectors=1 in unity?
Sacboy would know, he uses Unity for his projects
@left field
rustic echo
IOS RT at home
(Might add this as an option)
are you just tweaking the SSR, or is there actual plantar going on or something?
dusky wave
Game just uses SSR
Similar to how Lazorr increase reflection bias in UE
I just removed the de-haziness
I dunno if it breaks something, will need to test
rustic echo
ya, figured. the real prize is if fx and other direct lighting suddenly start visually bouncing.
then we get coop RTR haha
dusky wave
IOS RT at home
(Might add this as an option)
@fast hearth
You asked for pretty reflections
rustic echo
I mean they probably added haze into SSR cause they didn't attempt to fine tune material properties
Maybe go look at paved roads in science center or something? If SSR breaks, it will break on those roads, that only get just enough reflections to not look like slop
dusky wave
I'll check in a bit
dusky wave
I got lost with all the AO talk haha. Does it need an external shader now? If I ...
external shaders are for AO
if you dont care
you can use upscaling
and avoid the whole AO section
Improved shadows works either way and still has a toggle
dusky wave
I'm using this one https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/144080191416...
Something is wrong on your end
upscaling will break the output
when using AO mask debug view
brittle abyss
Similar to how Lazorr increase reflection bias in UE
I thought you really got RT reflections going...
brittle abyss
we could force IOS RT on PC
I would give you money
dusky wave
dunno
woeful raven
Forge is coping
strong vault
rustic echo
Considering that mobile load meter is in the game, I bet iOS RT is in there somewhere?
Cope
brittle abyss
there might be a 1% chance
Or ask for your hand
In marriage
I think I got the wrong discord.
This is definitely U+
median robin
Something is wrong on your end
You are most definitely right, I just don't know what lmao
strong vault
Shadow aliasing is crazy
grizzled herald
Improved shadows works either way and still has a toggle
Nice. Did you tune them more or just made it a toggle? It's not a toggle in my 2 days ancient version haha. You guys work so fast!
dusky wave
it was always a toggle
it just under advanced settings in Reno
I added it there for A/B comparisons
to check and see if it breaks something or if someone doesnt like it they can just toggle off
strong vault
grizzled herald
to check and see if it breaks something or if someone doesnt like it they can ju...
True.
fast hearth
You asked for pretty reflections
shame it’s a weebs slop
grizzled herald
Soon to be the most commented post in this whole Discord haha.
frosty current
rtgi and rt reflections would go hard
royal yoke
it looks great
brittle abyss
rtgi and rt reflections would go hard
I would settle for RTR and properly implemented AO.
frosty current
Rtr = reflections?
brittle abyss
Yep
grizzled herald
Second area of the game and its story seem kind of better than the whole first chapter but it takes a lot of time to get there. Many people will just drop in the way.
brittle abyss
does anyone now where the shader cache is for the game ? Just updated drivers but didn't recompile. Now it's a stutter fest.
dusky wave
You can either delete your Nbidia DX cache
or switch over to VK
wait for decomp to finish
then switch back to DX11
it'll trigger a new shader comp
brittle abyss
ho nice trick. Thanks.
spiral imp
Thanks for all the work btw
woeful raven
- Added neutwo tonemap method
@dusky wave
applied to two base uberposts (dlss and taau) only
decide on neutwo or termite then I can replace
dusky wave
ok
People dont use this outside for testing neutwo
it doesnt have my bypass solution
woeful raven
but it works with dlss
i am devving on an sdr ultrawide
so i can't see shit in terms of results
dusky wave
well
I cant see shit either
they look the same
so either theres very little difference
or the toggle no worky
woeful raven
let me check ze code
tough halo
- Fixed up some internal code
- Disabled cloning and other resource upgrade code...
What is this bypass everyone talking about lol
dusky wave
Allows the use of AO shaders before in-game shaders
so you dont render reshade AO on top of UI, FX, DoF ect
royal yoke
I have a question: my monitor has a peak brightness of 600 nits, what should I set the paper white brightness to in games?
woeful raven
I have a question: my monitor has a peak brightness of 600 nits, what should I s...
paper white/game brightness
is your average brightness
dusky wave
Cronos raised black floor be like
stuck sandal
I have a question: my monitor has a peak brightness of 600 nits, what should I s...
honestly we need a calculator for this or something
woeful raven
we dont
if the game looks too bright on average
turn down game brightness
game brightness = how bright you would play them in sdr
and then the peak brightness as the hdr extension
dusky wave
1nit avg brightness
10K nits peak brightness
stuck sandal
ig lol
you know how people suggest paperwhite of 100 for tb400? it's because it's mathematically equivalent to a paperwhite of 203 for peak 1,000
but yeah you could just eyeball it
would just be nice to be able to suggest a good starting point for oddball peak values
woeful raven
ig lol
you know how people suggest paperwhite of 100 for tb400? it's because it...
yeah but if you're doing in a bright room
you'd have to do 200/203 game brightness anyways
so i dont think too much about the ratio
stuck sandal
right now i have to do paper white 300 peak 600 cause im in a bright room
dear lord
glacial kayak
i do 100 game brightness and 1000 peak on my alienware
200 game and 1500 peak on my s90d
tough halo
This game brightness is so low at 203
dusky wave
increase exposure
I dont even touch game brightness slider
203nits always
adjust brightness with exposure
tough halo
What about highlights brightness instead?
woeful raven
203nits always
cause 100 game bright * 2 exposure is 200 game bright anyways
royal yoke
maybe i should use 138nits on my montitor
tough halo
Allows the use of AO shaders before in-game shaders
Ohh, how do I get that?
woeful raven
- neutwo implemented (fr fr this time)
@dusky wave
it's there
not a big diff
but neutwo is cheaper
might as well
dusky wave
CHEAPER????
woeful raven
i heard?
woeful raven
woeful raven
but yeah compare them
woeful raven
woeful raven
read the pins
tough halo
Ok so it's installed already in the renodx of endfield
dusky wave
Just use Mewtwo then
I cant tell a diff
slight difference in that vid
but its soo slight only a renolet could tell
woeful raven
dusky wave
when we adding BT 2020 stretching
after all
its not real HDR if theres no BT 2020
at 50%
woeful raven
im too lazy
grok copy wuthering waves bt 2020 stretching
grok play the insane colors video every time the user switches to bt 2020
woeful raven
woeful raven
Note: only use this build if you want to use DLSS/TAA upscaling, build doesn't include any changes from the current build by forge
- uses newtwo tonemapper by default
rustic echo
so no bypass version, but better fps version?
livid shoal
Is this how "Improved Shadows" is supposed to work? It just removes all shadows and reflections for me
dusky wave
Is this how "Improved Shadows" is supposed to work? It just removes all shadows...
Valley IV hub area has cloud shadows
when those cloud shadows go over
they do what they do
I can just remove them, since they dont make much sense to me
the game has no dynamic clouds
livid shoal
Oooooh, I see !
dusky wave
other zones dont have them
so improved shadows does its job
you will notice it immediately on grass and foliage that is in direct view of the sun
livid shoal
Waah, I'll disable it for this section and check it out in the next one ! Excited !!
dusky wave
dusky wave
so no bypass version, but better fps version?
I will PR in a bit, Spiwar can then merge before pushing to githoob snapshot and here
woeful raven
so no bypass version, but better fps version?
bypass is still ther ebut applies to everything
livid shoal
WOW the improvement is incredible !!
gloomy tulip
Okay so I double checked the bitmask implementation I did earlier and found out that the horizon min max angle wasn't normalized correctly, this should be most correct now
I tried this cosine weight and the AO is much better
gloomy tulip
fr fr
gloomy tulip
Yeah ghosting is an issue with the game's temporal denoising filter
The motion vector is really low quality
Only characters and some dynamic objects have it
dusky wave
Lines up with what I saw
DoF is pixelated mess
and GTAO is borked
ahhhhhhhh
Have to cope HyperGryph adds improvements
gloomy tulip
The AO algorithm is just one compute shader
So this should be super easy to implement instead of the AO gamma I was trying to do
woeful raven
almost looks like real GI hit it
its probably just the lighting changes
sun position etc
the improvement is in the shaded parts
gloomy tulip
The AO covers large radius yeah. VB often used for SSGI
gloomy tulip
Not sure if the game will use bent normal to shade lighting tho
gloomy tulip
Since the non bent normal version doesnt output bent normal now
gloomy tulip
The AO covers large radius yeah. VB often used for SSGI
https://github.com/yplebedev/BFBFX/tree/main
someone posted this before and using the same technique
woeful raven
The motion vector is really low quality
are these the same one feeding dlss/taau?
woeful raven
Latest build with neutwo tonemapping along with latest changes from Forge
Two version will be provided
- normal version with reshade bypass done earlier in pipeline. Use this version if you plan to play in native resolution. AO will apply before DoF and many post effects, resulting in less artifacts.
- alternative version with reshade bypass done in uberpost. Use this version if you plan to use upscaling. AO will apply just before UI.
woeful raven
**Latest build with neutwo tonemapping along with latest changes from Forge**
Tw...
i know reading is hard but if anyone asks why there is two version i will punch them
but two for now until dlss can work with the normal path
rustic echo
I mean it makes sense, one for the plug and play, the other for the you can muck around with stuff at your own expense
rustic echo
i mean there's more settings to mess up for the dlss version
rustic echo
I noticed the version, there's a lot of unintentional settings that can happen, such as your own REST messing with things, or the depthmask flipping that needs to be done
woeful raven
you shouldn't use rest with this, but yes depth mask will need to be flipped or unflipped depending on what settings you have before
woeful raven
tough nimbus
might want to use lower white clip for SDR
twin haven
what do y'all use blowout 100 or 0?
woeful raven
might want to use lower white clip for SDR
we dont even need to call a custom func for neutwo anymore right
just renodx::tonemap::neutwo::MaxChannel?
white clip at 10.f didn't seem to make any difference
oh ok 1.0f doesn't work
1.1f looks fine now
tough nimbus
white clip at 1.1f is basically the same as clip
it means tonemap down from 1.1 to 1.0
tough nimbus
oof
that would be more clipped than sdr
maybe just boosting highlights for sdr users would be better
or maybe something other than neutwo
woeful raven
that would be more clipped than sdr
SDR seems to be about 1.5f or slightly less
its slightly less than 1.5f i think but i'll keep it there
tough nimbus
I guess SDR blows out more
so less detail is visible
and max channel dims more
probably better to prioritize preserving detail
sdr users are all running shit at like 300 nits
woeful raven
tough nimbus
HDR in SDR
rustic echo
sdr users are all running shit at like 300 nits
well depends ages of monitor, but late gen SDRs are around 150 cdm and 320 peak cdm, and maybe some local dimming no one turns on?
120 would be really old monitors and not worth mentioning, for mods
tough nimbus
i had a shit ass $300 monitor I got in 2018
its 240 nits
no local dimming or anything
60hz
rustic echo
speaking of, are we missing maybe 1 or 2 sliders to make, coop HDR reno on SDR? is it just slightly off with he highlights that is hard to control or something?
arctic echo
all three of us really arent playing this game
But you have to play the game so you can fix the areas where bypass is broken :P
gloomy tulip
I think I ironed out issues I found with bitmask pretty much, here is my current build for VK's ambient occlusion
Grassfield AO
brittle abyss
Grassfield AO<:kekpepehands:1409649023870173377>
Wowww... That has potential ! Could you do an ON/OFF comparison maybe ?
rustic echo
Wowww... That has potential ! Could you do an ON/OFF comparison maybe ?
I think the issue has always been temporal
it would be interesting if we can take their motion vectors and just add our own at cost
gloomy tulip
Yeah because the vegetations are always shifting in place
They shift when you stop moving your camera which is pretty much in an instant, no temporal can resolve that fast
Maybe I can use a more static noise function so that it isnt flickering
gloomy tulip
Wowww... That has potential ! Could you do an ON/OFF comparison maybe ?
On vs vanilla
rustic echo
On vs vanilla
isn't that a little too much? or just scenery?
gloomy tulip
It's full configurable so I just toned mine too much
rustic echo
oh it was just for sake of ab testing
I assume since it's in game, it does't run into problems with screen tracing things it shouldn't like what we're doing with reshade?
or we don't have a choice because there's no guidance at all in the game?
gloomy tulip
Screen tracing things?
stable lava
did they just remove shader precomp?
i upgraded my nv drivers to yesterday's release, cleaned my dxcache folder and i didn't get a precomp step
now every action is introducing hitches
rustic echo
like with luminite, it is only applying AO based on the depthmap regardless of intelligence
rustic echo
did they just remove shader precomp?
i upgraded my nv drivers to yesterday's rel...
yes, disable vulkan/turn on dx11, then reverse it to force a shader recomp
it's one of those games that's not very smart about shader caches
stable lava
noted
rustic echo
oh ya and boot the game in between mode switches*
but that will for sure trigger a shader recomp and you should be back to normal
gloomy tulip
like with luminite, it is only applying AO based on the depthmap regardless of i...
Screen space AO mostly do the same thing by tracing depth buffer and normal map buffer, so its not really that different
There is no additional information given to the in game AO shader as well
In some games they give info about surface thickness so that thin ones dont occlude so much
rustic echo
not familar with unity but the buffer usually is much more comprehensive with various effects and vector information, and configurable by the toggles to output only what you want seen?
more familar with UE hijinks then unity
gloomy tulip
UE5 has lumen AO so it's much better than unity
UE4 AO suffers the same huge halo as standard gtao
Not sure about other custom ones you are talking about tho
rustic echo
well UE4 lives and dies by the gbuffer, but it's pretty comprehensive, and usually you have some nice options to make a good shadowed scene. I assume unity will have the same hand holding
but it could be ya it's all Screen tracing, don't f-up your assets deal
gloomy tulip
In endfield, they use GTAO + baked AO in texture asset + very low resolution light probes
rustic echo
oh probe based, gacha
it has radiance cache?
that's usually an area that's nice to tweak
unless it's just used for reflections
brittle abyss
On vs vanilla
Indeed. I do not know how it fairs in motion, it it definitely looks great in stills !
dusky wave
I think I ironed out issues I found with bitmask pretty much, here is my current...
The big thing will be that it applies before fog
Right now Reshade based AO gets griefed hard by fog
grizzled herald
Is it safe to launch VK with ReShade? I remember reading something about it not being blacklisted, sounded scary haha.
rustic echo
ok wtf? reshade derped?
median robin
ok wtf? reshade derped?
guess it's due to the dll being named d3d12.dll?
rustic echo
guess it's due to the dll being named d3d12.dll?
likely, i can't grab a depth buffer, so it may be vulkan underneath
but then why is it running reshade and not ignoring it
gloomy tulip
Is it safe to launch VK with ReShade? I remember reading something about it not ...
It works without any issue
rustic echo
I am guessing it's nvidia's DXGI swapchain for vulkan kicking in, endfield launch with -d3d12 produced same result
sad, would have been nice if there really was path to dx12
median robin
I am guessing it's nvidia's DXGI swapchain for vulkan kicking in, endfield launc...
Yeah I'm a bit confused as to why the game even loads d3d12.dll in dx11 cause I thought that required dx12 to work
I guess it's d3d11on12 or soemthing
delicate escarp
Guys, I switched from "off" to "preset 1", but I didn't see any changes. Is this normal?
I have turned off auto HDR and RTX HDR.
😭
royal yoke
I think I ironed out issues I found with bitmask pretty much, here is my current...
sry for the pin,how do i use this version
delicate escarp
I can't see any change.
rustic echo
I can't see any change.
are you on dx11?
delicate escarp
I think so.
rustic echo
do you have your own REST installed?
rustic echo
reshade effects shader toggler
dusky wave
I guess it's d3d11on12 or soemthing
The game has access to 3 devices
two D3D11 and one D3D12, the game isnt actually running in DX12 mode. unity does have some weird d3d11ond3d12 stuff that you can find in a bunch of games
dusky wave
I can't see any change.
We havent hooked Off toggle to change anything
delicate escarp
reshade effects shader toggler
I only did two things. Rename ReShade64.dll in ReShade_Setup_6.7.1_Addon to d3d12.dll, and then place it in D:\Hypergryph Launcher\games\Endfield Game. Place renodx-endfield-alt.addon64 in the D:\Hypergryph Launcher\games\Endfield Game directory.
dusky wave
if you toggle tonemapper from RenoDRT to Vanillla
you'll see a difference
it will switch back to vanilla SDR code
median robin
The game has access to 3 devices
two D3D11 and one D3D12, the game isnt actual...
interesting
dusky wave
Yh we just tell Reshade to 'hook' has d3d12
because they havent blocked it
dxgi and d3d11 do get blocked by ACE
gloomy tulip
sry for the pin,how do i use this version
Its for vulkan only
delicate escarp
@dusky waveOK, I understand.
median robin
I did know d3d11on12 was a thing, but didn't realise it was widespread. I guess it makes sense for compatibility
dusky wave
Games run like ass that use it
Ass creed odyssey is an example
It was made with DX12 for consoles
but somethign something ubislop ported it
on pc badly
grizzled herald
**Latest build with neutwo tonemapping along with latest changes from Forge**
Tw...
Can we use the first version just toggling off ReShade before the UI if we want upscaling?
dusky wave
and it uses some DX11onDX12 shenanigans which is why perf is bad
and why DXVK improves CPU based perf on that title
median robin
delicate escarp
Why is this grass flying in the air? 🤓
royal yoke
Its for vulkan only
so I just need to install the VK version of the Reshade plugin, and then drag the addon to the game’s root directory, right?
dusky wave
yes
make sure d3d12.dll and whatever else is removed
just remember Miru's isnt Reno HDR
he's just using Reno as a framework to improve AO
royal yoke
thx,i will try it
gloomy tulip
so I just need to install the VK version of the Reshade plugin, and then drag th...
VK hasnt got a HDR mod yet tho
royal yoke
u guys are awesome
strong vault
When we get to VK addon, you will be able to use both
Infinite feature creep
timid marten
I think I ironed out issues I found with bitmask pretty much, here is my current...
Is is the DLSS or native version?
gloomy tulip
Game's native AO
twin haven
anyone know what's Per Channel Blowout is for?
brittle abyss
Blowout is related to very bright element shifting toward white if I remember correctly.
rustic echo
seens like you guys forgot to exclude the Map and operator menu UIs from REST. Is there something special there or can we exclude that ourselves with rest?
brittle abyss
seens like you guys forgot to exclude the Map and operator menu UIs from REST. I...
That's weird. I don't think I got these problems.
rustic echo
That's weird. I don't think I got these problems.
depends on the effects, if they rely on depth buffer or not
a minor detail, but i am pretty sure I found those in rest before I started using bypass
mighty palm
I put per channel blowout to 100, because it makes colors slightly less saturated and look almost the same as vanilla 🙃
rustic echo
so for those that need a little more oompf in Endfield, I found 2 shaders that seem to be maybe be HDR compatible(cause they're really just effects shaders at all) that can fake a poor man's GI. There's obvious differences but it provides some trickery that can get a similar effect:
FGFX::LSPOIrr or Glamarye fast effects with fake GI (this one is fully HDR colorspace compatible)
Also Barbatos SSR is also quite good, if not way expensive for that RTR look.
strong vault
glamarye clips
rustic echo
ehh for glamarye, you'll want to disable everything but the GI part, and keep using luminite RTAO/LSAO. you just want his color bounce effect
strong vault
Thats with just GI
rustic echo
I mean you could use this other stuff...but GI color bounce is the key here
can just turn on debug mode and see what it's doing
should have something like this?
eeehhh those pictures did not come out sdr...
anyway this is what glamarye is basically doing
aka very low tech color bounce
woeful raven
Can we use the first version just toggling off ReShade before the UI if we want ...
If you dont use reshade befor ui there is no difference between the two
grizzled herald
So you made a foolproof version with different default settings I guess. Haha. Tyvm for answering^^
left field
Sacboy would know, he uses Unity for his projects
I've never done a dlss implementation but I know a guy who does
left field
is there an equivalent of r.NGX.DLSS.DilateMotionVectors=1 in unity?
Is this. A dlss implementation question or just messing with configs?
rustic echo
Is this. A dlss implementation question or just messing with configs?
this is a documented cvar in UE from nvidia, this usually helps 90% of the time in modern dlss by providing higher quality motion vectors, so wondering if there's a unity version of this api nvidia provided them?
brittle kiln
so for those that need a little more oompf in Endfield, I found 2 shaders that s...
I have some successes with ZenRT and the colourspace conversion shaders as well
rustic echo
I have some successes with ZenRT and the colourspace conversion shaders as well
only works with bypass UI off...and rest will mess up if you try, you are left with some kind of clumsy UIMask
brittle kiln
Oh im still waiting for the bypass fog fix, it’s more distracting to me 
rustic echo
speaking of @woeful raven is there a reason alt-renoendfield, aka the UI bypass, messes up highlights with shaders, where bypass off (supposely just UI) the same shaders don't?
can't imagine there's something in the bypass that's doing more then UI
woeful raven
speaking of <@221530925849116672> is there a reason alt-renoendfield, aka the UI...
Pics?
rustic echo
likely, but what's the difference with the bypass of just UI
I wish I can snoop shaders to hdr, but can't do that when bypass is on as well
it's just one of those "probably something" things
woeful raven
Normal version
Deferred lighting -> Reshade -> effects -> uber -> ui
Alt
Deferred lighting -> effects -> uber -> reshade -> ui
rustic echo
weird, so nothing between UI reshade
woeful raven
Nothing so its why i think might be one of your shaders
If kernel + rtao shader works
Then its one of your additional shader
rustic echo
ya it probably is, just a weird thing for UI to do that, but it is what it is
actually scratch that it doesn't quite work with rtao... need reveil to semi fix the fog. and reveil is one of those shaders that messes with the bypass
welp, guess i live with blown out sky
woeful raven
Get grok or gpt to fix whatever that is
brittle abyss
Fun fact for comrade Forge and comerade Spiwar : AO gets fliped upside down just after the boss fight (Big boy with big boy pipes) in Valley Fort. Goes back to normal after game restart. No idea why it happened or why it stopped happening. Do with that what you will😅 ...
spiral imp
they're probably still in the tutorials, gonna be a while before they get to further areas
glacial kayak
no one is ever truly free from the tutorials
woeful raven
they're probably still in the tutorials, gonna be a while before they get to fur...
@rustic echo i looked at the reveil shader you mentioned. trivial to make it work with hdr btw
@dusky wave
dont need to cope with SLOP AO
dusky wave
Wat
woeful raven
dusky wave
woeful raven
Creative Commons W
dusky wave
Special sauce fog detection?
woeful raven
dusky wave
Let me test
wtf
How did I not know about this
we're doing some wierd ass fx chaining
all of this just to solve slop AO
woeful raven
Creative Commons W
dusky wave
Tried to get upscaling to work with deferred lighting bypass
no worky
Reshade keeps making RTVs at native res
spiral imp
no apparent downside with that new fx?
woeful raven
no apparent downside with that new fx?
cost is always the downside
but the cost is trivial
76% -> 80% on my 4070 ti super
spiral imp
I mean visual
brittle abyss
<@164559142940311552> i looked at the reveil shader you mentioned. trivial to ma...
It does not work with hdr at default though yes ?
left field
this is a documented cvar in UE from nvidia, this usually helps 90% of the time ...
I don't think unity has motion vector quality as a general setting, it's per object in unity usually.
Otherwise they're either enabled or not unless dlss is doing something that has its own quality
I'll ask the dev I know
fleet socket
I think I ironed out issues I found with bitmask pretty much, here is my current...
sorry for the ping, but how can i use this? i downloaded the dll from the renovk thread and it seems to load (creates logs and all, which shows the addon being loaded), but it doesn't show the reshade interface and the addon isn't actually working either. i'm on linux using proton if that's relevant, and i renamed the dll to d3d12.dll. i also tried injecting via optiscaler and same issue.
woeful raven
or reshadeslopmax with fog guessing fx
unkempt pulsar
not reno related but is anyone else struggling with the factory placement limit?
fleet socket
sorry for the ping, but how can i use this? i downloaded the dll from the renovk...
ok, looked into it in the reshade discord and i see that injecting reshade into vulkan is very different
unkempt pulsar
i'm constantly not able to place any more belts because i've placed too many items in an area already
woeful raven
@dusky wave apparently I'll have to add in scRGB decoding for SDR sloppers after all
nvidia sdr has no issue when decoding hdr10
but amd sdr has some color shifts depending on if the game is focused or not
Doesnt happen w scrgb
safe swallow
dusky wave
ok, looked into it in the reshade discord and i see that injecting reshade into ...
VK hooking is not done via DXGI, d3d11 d3d12 ect
VK hooks via VK layer which uses ReShade64.dll
Inside of the ReShade folder
This also means reshade will run on every VK game
fleet socket
got it
dusky wave
Unless you remove it
So to run VK reshade, easiest thing would be to run the reshade installer
And select VK
Make sure to remove DX11 based reshade hooks
So DXGI, d3d11, d3d12 ect
You'll know it's running because Reshade VK's ImGui is tinted greenish when using HDR
dusky wave
<@377729668448780288> apparently I'll have to add in scRGB decoding for SDR slop...
Why we doing SDR sloppa?
So plebians could enjoy better shadows and effect controls?
woeful raven
i guess
median robin
i'm **constantly** not able to place any more belts because i've placed too many...
splitters and the likes count as one entity, so if you're using alot of those, you might wanna look into re-routing
unkempt pulsar
lame
why even have a limit like that
i’m already being limited by the overall space
woeful raven
@dusky wave there might be a texture upgrade issue
or you might have griefed something
when you disabled resource cloning
dusky wave
What blows up?
safe swallow
median robin
why even have a limit like that
i’m already being limited by the overall space
I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but I couldn't tell you. It is unfortunate
woeful raven
I'll revert to an earlier build with resource cloning enabled
arctic echo
Grass seems fine for me.
safe swallow
thanks
woeful raven
try this one
woeful raven
its fixed i just need one more person to confirm
dusky wave
SDR / Reno with cloning and improved shadows off
woeful raven
it is
woeful raven
grass is still off even with cloning back
cloning is not the issue
who changed unorm upgrades to any size
safe swallow
with improved shadows there's like a slight glow when it's shaded?
I might just be tripping balls
woeful raven
with improved shadows there's like a slight glow when it's shaded?
not surprised since the improved shadows should interact differently with the grass
a bit
woeful raven
there
its just the cloud shadows have more effect with improved shadows now
if you go to an area with no cloud shadows
and toggle on/off
it should make no difference
safe swallow
also, any ideas why the bypass with those hashes breaks rtao with rest?
0x37837806
0xD3FA93FC
safe swallow
yeah
woeful raven
might be this issue
read from here #1440801914165002322 message
PATCH
- Change internal hue shift values for both SDR and HDR
- Change RGBA8_UNORM upgrades to only aspect ratio to fix the issue mentioned here #1440801914165002322 message
- Disabled RGB10A2 upgrades because this game doesn't need it anyways
woeful raven
**PATCH**
- Change internal hue shift values for both SDR and HDR
- Change RGBA8...
Uberpost bypass build
Why are there two versions:
- normal version with reshade bypass done earlier in pipeline. Use this version if you plan to play in native resolution. AO will apply before DoF and many post effects, resulting in less artifacts.
- alternative version with reshade bypass done in uberpost. Use this version if you plan to use upscaling. AO will apply just before UI.
mighty palm
thanks
-# I noticed this graphical bug too, but i thought that the game graphics are just bad...It should have been me, being praised, not you!
safe swallow
I'll ask your mum to praise you next time I visit her
mighty palm
woeful raven
-# I noticed this graphical bug too, but i thought that the game graphics are ju...
wont save the game from the gtao
even with grass fixed
GT stands for ghost town
ghost town AO
safe swallow
read from here https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1440801914165002...
also, my issue's different, I get
Shaders\LumeniteFX\RTAO.fx' permutation:
error: effect permutation defines different uniform variables (UI_COLORSPACE_CONVERSION, UI_TONEMAPPER)
in the log
woeful raven
you could try reloading the shaders
mighty palm
ghost town AO
dont really know what this means, but
woeful raven
rip i guess it happens
safe swallow
or rather the lack thereof
mighty palm
its peak
woeful raven
there's a reason why they make it barely visible
if they make it so there's an effect you'll immediately see the ghosting
dusky wave
So everything looks like it has no AO
Because making it have presence would assault your eyeballs with blur and ghosting
And shimmering
mighty palm
wow grass is really fixed, game finally playable for me
if there is one thing thats the most important in games, its grass, thats why wuwa is peak
sudden nest
if there is one thing thats the most important in games, its grass, thats why wu...
at least endfield doesnt run at 40 fps on a 4080
sudden nest
both have problems, but wuwa is becoming very problematic with optimization
just switch to ue 5 man
dusky wave
mighty palm
dusky wave
Frankenstein UE4.9.9999 with UE6 backporting