Arknights + AK Endfield

[stable lava]

path tracing next patch

[dusky wave]

wait

[stable lava]

they ship RR

[dusky wave]

wait

some fog isnt bypassed

[humble musk]

IOS endfield does have some very limited RT exclusive to it

Who knows why they decided to do this except to make money with Apple

[stable lava]

same deal as higher res textures for ps5 in genshin sloppa

[humble musk]

Damn corpa

[grim kiln]

if its mobile only not likely its even that impressive anyway

[humble musk]

It does show that endfield is shipped with DLSS RR 310.3

[grim kiln]

especially with it being "specific scenes"

just enough to get the bag from apple

[humble musk]

Agreed

[woeful raven]

@dusky wave so uh, for the reshade AO bypass

I need to have the shader dumped

even if we'ere not going to modify it

so the list detects it

[dusky wave]

One sec

REST might be rip

It doesn't find the volumetric shader

Let me pull up the names

So first one is their beeg shader that handles enivorments

the second only handles grass and foliage

problem is

first one also contains fog

inside of the shader

They apply AO seperately for grass and enivorments in both those shaders before merging

Bypassing the beeg enviroment shader also stops fog from drawing

fuk

Dunno what to do

I dont think we cant move the fog over to another shader

Unless we can specifiy reshade bypass to run before X code

and not just run after X shader

[brittle abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointment-disappointed-food-review-meme-gif-16003613

[woeful raven]

nothing grok can't fix

[humble musk]

can UIMask.fx be used to mask it? I don't really know how shaders work lol

[dusky wave]

UI mask is for well UI maks

[humble musk]

Ahh, I gotcha

[dusky wave]

It's a cope solution for people who don't code

We already have UI bypass

[humble musk]

Makes sense

[dusky wave]

What were trying to do rn is inject the reshade based AO to render before X

So it's placed in the correct place in the pipeline

Before fog

Before volumetrics

Doesn't draw on top of the sky shader

Ect

E.g avoids all the typical Reshade FX memes

[humble musk]

Ohhh, I see. Yeah, that is out of my league for sure lol

[dusky wave]

Mans that's wack

Why is fog not a separate shader

[woeful raven]

is it that shader

or is that just where the fog from another shader is composited

[dusky wave]

It contains fog and volumetrics

its in the code

no other shader when undrawn makes fog go poof

also wouldnt make sense for fog to be applied before

since AO is being applied in both shaders

Look at the very end of 1e8a

cb0[156].w + cb0[158].w is there height based fog

and they also calculate this seperately for the other shader which only handles deferred lighting for grass and foliage

@gloomy tulip

Any ideas?

Speaking of

Just got another double 6* pull

God gives his sillest battles to his funniest clowns

[humble musk]

Can you compute AO into a texture (your SSAO pass), then sample that AO in both shaders (env + grass) right before they do the fog blend, and multiply it into the “unfogged lighting” component only or can you fade AO to 1.0 as depth approaches foggy distance (so it doesn’t “dirty” the far field) then mask sky by depth (AO=1 when depth is far-plane / missing). I'm not exactly sure based on my limited understanding but just thought I would throw out some ideas. Just ignore them if it seems dumb. My excitement gets the better of me sometimes lol

I never get double 6* pulls except in granblue sadge

[dusky wave]

DependsTM, You have to remember Reno wasnt built to handle passing shaders and changing order around

Unless Shortfuse has changed it since

I am not sure about thta

Luma has all the special sauce to allow you to do your own compute shaders for DLSS and xeGTAO implementation

I cant for instance take xeGTAO and some Luma functions and get working AO with Reno

We want to solve post tonemapping for DLSS in a few games but we cant move shaders around with Reno

Also we cant modify the base AO shader

because of the loicense

[humble musk]

Ahhhh, I gotcha. Yeah, that does make it so much harder

[woeful raven]

earlier

how did you fix the decompilation issue

of the lighting not applying

wanted to know in case I decomp the shader and when compiled back into the game it borks itself

[dusky wave]

This can wait

I just got another double 6 star pull

[woeful raven]

lmao

[dusky wave]

Did what Miru told me

[gleaming osprey]

I'm getting some crashes in this area with the latest download from this chat. Any logs that would be useful? I reshade.log didn't look weird

[dusky wave]

might as well send here

does the CTD happen without Reno?

[gleaming osprey]

It's a total freeze/not responding, not a crash to desktop

never happened without reno

happened again:

[humble musk]

Is there any logs at C:\Users<username>\AppData\LocalLow\Gryphline\Endfield

[woeful raven]

i didn't understand that much

what was it

decomp and recomp?

whatdahell

[dusky wave]

You dont use decomp

you take raw disASSembly

I dunno if you can run this trhough decomp again to get HLSL and it will work but I was able to load .shdr and the issues was solved

[gleaming osprey]

Many

[humble musk]

Does the player.log show anything

[humble musk]

Check C:\Users<username>\AppData\LocalLow\Gryphline\d9f71f86325c5b9733268efda40413c8\logs\games.log

[gleaming osprey]

That doesn't seem to include any logging for my post-crash sessions

[humble musk]

Hmm, not sure what it could be. I've been to that area but haven't had that issue with renodx

Maybe delete old shader cache?

[grim kiln]

deleting old shader cache might not be a bad idea in general as baby patches made shader comp happen again

[gleaming osprey]

Where's the shader cache for this game?

Installing Renodx also forces a recompile already but no harm in doing some extra shader compiling

[humble musk]

C:\Users[USERNAME]\AppData\Local\NVIDIA\ DXCache and GLCache folders usually but they aren't labeled by game name. just sort by date modified and it usually be whichever one is near the top

[woeful raven]

can you just put this in the reno folder

and it will compile this

[gleaming osprey]

no luck, back to vanilla VK I go for now

[humble musk]

Does it happen with DLSS off too? If so, that sucks

[dusky wave]

Not sure if it will build the addon but it did load up for me via live path with Devkit

[woeful raven]

fuck

[gleaming osprey]

DLSS is off, it's using TAAU

[woeful raven]

vscode didn't detect any changes

didn't even attempt to rebuild the addon

[dusky wave]

We need to figure out both of these dumb ass shaders

because both of them have the damn fog

and shit ass AO

we will need to remove vanilla AO to solve ghosting shenanigans

and draw before fog

Time to ask the big boys

Musa, Shortfuse or Maple

Miru when he gets back

Ritsu

[woeful raven]

wait

why is REST not showing the list of shaders for me

[dusky wave]

[timid marten]

Heya, UID and ping text doesn’t hide for me

5120:1440p

[fluid patio]

This might be a huge ask and I have no right... but any chance there can be an option for ao and shadows not to work on grass specifically? In my eyes it just emphasizes the fact that the grass is just mad of cards.

UID and ping is only currently hidden for 4k resolution

specifically

[timid marten]

Aww okay

[woeful raven]

turn the game back to vanilla?

the option to toggle it back to vanilla behavior

ie no grass shadows

is there

[dusky wave]

They might want the rest of the foliage / distant objects to get the shadow hardening improvements

Just not grass

Which ehhh

Not sure if I can do

Foliage and grass are tied

I was mainly mucking about to get more prominent grass shadows, all the other shadow occlusion/hardening was just a happy accident

[median robin]

Wuling seems to be working fine btw

[woeful raven]

oh well

I'll just add the bypass

we'll deal with the fog later

[dusky wave]

aight

[woeful raven]

are you gonna commit that AO gamma thing

or do we scratch it

[dusky wave]

no

its ass

[woeful raven]

yuh

[dusky wave]

SDR vs Reno Dee Legs

We U+ now

if we get proof of concept bypass working

later we can focus on gettin the shaders decomped

and we can then render before fog fully

and remove vanilla AO

[fluid patio]

Just grass specifically. Bushes/small trees would be part of the fix/improvement

[woeful raven]

refer to this #1440801914165002322 message

[fluid patio]

Seen and heard

[woeful raven]

ah nvm

need to set the rehsade flag

[dusky wave]

We're getting there

[glacial kayak]

you turned it into drakengard ending e

[dusky wave]

Is it still messed up with DLSS?

I had to fix some shenanigans in POE2 with DLSS scaling

CBoofers were fukked

[woeful raven]

both TAAU and DLSS is broken

if you use sub native rendering

[dusky wave]

[woeful raven]

DLAA is fine

its bc reshade grabs the sub native depth buffer

[dusky wave]

doodoo

rebuild reshade

so it doesnt do that

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[woeful raven]

no i mean grabbing that is fine

because that's our actual depth buffer

but we need to find a way

to scale it back to native

[dusky wave]

Time to ring Shortfuse

he might know

[woeful raven]

do the honors

[dusky wave]

So drawing after the enviro shader then?

since grass looks different

[woeful raven]

i added 1 bypass after this shader draws yea

wait

dafuq

why is this shit working correctly with displaydepth

so is it this jank free AO shader

ok yuh

the preprocessing motion estimation shader is ass

[stuck sandal]

not an anime expert but to a certain extent I think it looks better without the ao :p

[woeful raven]

actually no its just displaydepth working correctly, everything else is fetching the base res

[woeful raven]

cause the AO strength is 100

probably needs some tuning

[glacial kayak]

finally, AO argument #2

[dusky wave]

its set to 0.8

[woeful raven]

kibbles do you have yo POPCORN?

[dusky wave]

You told me to do 0.8

[stuck sandal]

lol

[glacial kayak]

i didn't get enough of the AO discussion checks notes 20 minutes ago

[stuck sandal]

oh
didn't know this was already discussed

[glacial kayak]

not here

[woeful raven]

yea

[stuck sandal]

I'd just add a toggle and call it a day

[glacial kayak]

but yeah that shit is waaaaaaaaaay too aggressive even at what i'm guessing is a low value

[woeful raven]

there isn't even a toggle cause we can;t incorporate the shader bc of the license

so i just leave it to the user

[dusky wave]

#1440801914165002322 message look at thius sloppa

[stuck sandal]

oh you guys are using the shader bypass thingy?

[woeful raven]

yea im adding it into reno

I still can't understand though

how is display depth scaling it correctly and these shaders aint

[stuck sandal]

sloppa indeed

[dusky wave]

give mfs access to reshade shaders and this is the type of shit they cook up

[grim kiln]

could we message the shader dev and get permission?

[stuck sandal]

yep

[grim kiln]

or is that just not how it works

[stuck sandal]

depends on the license

if there's an AO shader licensed under MIT we could use that without asking if you give proper attribution and redistrbute the license

[grim kiln]

they one they used isnt MIT is the issue i think

[stuck sandal]

assume that's marty's ao, right?

[grim kiln]

no

[woeful raven]

its a diff AO, we only used it because it advertised HDR support

[grim kiln]

its like the only one with HDR support

[woeful raven]

https://github.com/umar-afzaal/LumeniteFX

there's probably other ones

but they're paid

i mean

people will have to manually install it eithe way

but they dont have to modify it

[grim kiln]

i dont mind installing it i just dont know how to set it up

in reno i mean

coding is absolute greek to me

[dusky wave]

nothing

you download the shader

plop it in

voila

adjust settings

[grim kiln]

oh?

[dusky wave]

reno Dee Legs handles everything

Since he added bypass

[grim kiln]

well shit

star wars genesis can wait then i guess

[woeful raven]

well

[dusky wave]

Well I suppose just dont go adding shaders that arent AO

[grim kiln]

i just want the AO

[woeful raven]

good news: the shader can work with DLSS or TAAU with lower than native res

bad news: you'll have to modify it yourself

[dusky wave]

wait, Liliums will be borked

[grim kiln]

oh so dont use dlaa got it

[dusky wave]

le shader?

[woeful raven]

yeah

but like

[dusky wave]

[woeful raven]

just have grok do it for you

[dusky wave]

dont care

[woeful raven]

[dusky wave]

yh

Also since this bypasses every reshade shader

liliums and stuff will be rendering before

so will be borked

[grim kiln]

dang

[dusky wave]

Users dont need liliums though

its purely for debooging

sharpening, film grain and everything else is already inside of reno

grading as well

[grim kiln]

still need to configure something though correct or is it really just download drop in and enjoy?

[woeful raven]

its already a toggle

so if u need to use liliums

[dusky wave]

Eggcellent

Truly based

Spiwar still no dev role

[woeful raven]

• Added reshade bypass

[dusky wave]

Tomo or when Miru comes around, we'll see about solving fog

Spiwar did you see the new TI lore

hes going after Pumbo

[woeful raven]

dafuq

Wot

where's the link

[dusky wave]

#1178744045875511406 message

[fast topaz]

What does Reshade bypass do?

[dusky wave]

I will write instructions

its for AO

[woeful raven]

LMAO

CEO of HDR meets CEO of grift optimization

[dusky wave]

Legendary battle soon

I prefer the way the AO looks when we're not rendering on with grass

the applications looks better

not ass deepfried

Nah Bear you misunderstood

the AO is still applying to foliage

its just that since we're drawing after the enviroment deferred shader instead of both enviro and foliage/grass

it looks a bit different

[stuck sandal]

hmmmmmm

I see

[dusky wave]

under the raw AO viewer

foliage isnt black/white

since we've bypassed to render before it

it just doesnt look as dark anymore

but still gets shading around the base

[woeful raven]

ah shit true

[dusky wave]

Doing 0.65

wait that isnt accurate

since I disabled grass shadows

whatever you get the point

RenoDX betta

[woeful raven]

the reason we adding it in the first place

is so the grass shadows dont look flat

gotta move it one step further then

[grim kiln]

Lmfao is this dude okay that's so unhinged

[dusky wave]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

OK, let me fix the shader so it works on my end with upscaling

[woeful raven]

orrrrrr

we could add the shader after the upscaling pass

[dusky wave]

Fog though

[woeful raven]

yeah but that's a "later" thing

also

the shader we bypassed got decomp issues as well

we're cooked

[dusky wave]

by shader?

wat

Bi shader

Bye shader????

[dusky wave]

well yh

this was the one that was fucking up indirect lighting

or whatever

[woeful raven]

with the current implementation i can't get reshade to draw after unless i have the shader in the library

cooked

[dusky wave]

ah shit,

COOOKED

[woeful raven]

ok

[dusky wave]

I cant post instructions

[woeful raven]

we can still have the next best thing

apply in uberpost

let me see if that breaks dof

[dusky wave]

bro wat

[woeful raven]

fog is gonna be broken regardless

[dusky wave]

You have a trillion other shaders

you can pick

why Ubers

[woeful raven]

weell

cause ubers are in native

so we dont have to tell users to mod the shader themselves

unless

we find something else that's even before uber but still in native res

@dusky wave the shader you linked

we can still get foliage

[dusky wave]

The enviro one?

[woeful raven]

if we change after draw to render target change

[dusky wave]

hmm but the two shaders are handling different deferred lighting

one is specific to scene

and the other for handling foliage

they use the same passes for fog and volumetrics blah blah

[grim kiln]

for the rtao shader cant use dlaa correct?

[dusky wave]

You need native scaling for now

DLAA or TAAU 100%

[grim kiln]

oh okay

[runic dove]

oh nice game update with zero patch notes. HG learning from the best

[grim kiln]

there we go it was being funky but thats because im a retard and didnt have the kernel.fx on to 🤦‍♂️

[dusky wave]

oof

I will add instructions later

[dusky wave]

also be aware

the decomp is broken

multi bounce is missing

[woeful raven]

yea

#1440801914165002322 message

[grim kiln]

hmm interesting when going to the aic the depth buffer flips from upside down to not upside down and vice versa

[dusky wave]

Fuk

Spiwar

The game alternates between two permutations

Depending on the angle

For those shaders

It's not just a singular environment and singular foliage/grass deferred lighting shaded

[dusky wave]

Yes

[strong vault]

bruh

[grim kiln]

that is bizzare lmao

[dusky wave]

Because the game is switching to the other permutation

And that permutation doesn't have shader bypass

[grim kiln]

when its working correctly its beautiful

[woeful raven]

do we have just two permutations then

[grim kiln]

unless theyve done something weird and each zone has its own seems like its just 2 let me go to another zone one sec

theres also alot more straight up frame lockups which is weird

didnt happen before this release so who knows i might need to just restart my pc

science facility is also upside down and stays that way no matter the direction i look

science facility and dijiang is the same if i remove the upside down part they are fine just seems to be that one spot by the aic

oop game just died im going to restart my pc

i should delete my shader's just in case

yea game wont even start now

something is borked

yea the reshade bypass release does not launch for me anymore prior version is fine 🤔

[balmy ember]

You guys working so hard on this meanwhile I got completely turned off by the factory stuff, the game is totally not what I expected 😭 I knew it was a part of it all but it's like this seems like its the main core of the game. I just wanted to do more combat and exploration but this is not it. Did ya'll even get far, you don't mind/enjoy the factory stuff? What good is perfect HDR when most of the time you spend in menus fucking around with the factory

[grim kiln]

as a factorio player it doesnt bother me any even if it is babys first factorio its no where near as complex

[balmy ember]

Ah, it's not for me though. I am so sad because the game with Reno is so damn beautiful, satisfying sound design etc combat might be shallow but it's a treat for senses. I'm just annoyed it doesn't let you focus and enjoy that but instead forces you into factory learning

I kept pushing trough the game to finally get to the good part but it's kinda looking like the good part is the factory stuff

[woeful raven]

Blueprints the fsctory stuff

If u wanna keep enjoying the other stuff

[glacial kayak]

yeah you can get codes for it if you really wanna play the rest of it

has anyone messed with the dlss dlls at all

does it disable it if you swap

[grim kiln]

yea you can just use the factory sim site and copy paste whole factories for whatever you need to produce

[woeful raven]

No

I was using ltest dll since day 1

[glacial kayak]

cool

back to 3.8.1

[woeful raven]

Look at this guy

Enjoying the game

While me and forge slaving at the mines

[glacial kayak]

nah i'm putting it off for a bit because all of the discourse around this game pisses me off

just curious for later

[grim kiln]

yea something about that reshade bypass release breaks my game pretty good no more lockups on the prior one either 🤷‍♂️ who knows

[woeful raven]

its experimental

[grim kiln]

yea i figured

[woeful raven]

doesnt work then just go back to the previous version

[grim kiln]

looks great though when it does work

[woeful raven]

should be obvious

either way

• Change reshade bypass to after uberpost. Bypass wiill render after Fog and DoF, but before UI, that is expected for now. On the other hand, this will work with DLSS and TAAU with sub-native resolutions.

[covert jetty]

What's the benefit of the reshade bypass?

[woeful raven]

apply reshade effects before ui

[woeful raven]

did they fix the DoF pixelation

doesn't seem to look that ass in this image

[grizzled herald]

Though the same. It's just that mission or area does not use it much. It'll come back.

[gloomy tulip]

So Nsight works, just have to rename the nsight exe to bypass their process name check

Finally get to peek at their graphics

[grim kiln]

latest reshade bypass release runs great no flipping and the frame lock ups are gone

[gloomy tulip]

Nice

[woeful raven]

sigma

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah its GTAO

[woeful raven]

how can GTAO be that bad

[gloomy tulip]

Half res GTAO at least

[gloomy tulip]

Seems to be correct about the step and dir count

[woeful raven]

what bout the ghosting

can u make it more obvious while fixing the ghosting

[gloomy tulip]

Maybe decrasing the temporal frame count would help but i think thats the issue of the accmulation pass

I only changed the main raw GTAO shader

For reference it looked like this default

[woeful raven]

holy shit lol

looks like AO disabled

[gloomy tulip]

This is the vk shader im modding

[woeful raven]

wait how were you able to build it back into the addon

[gloomy tulip]

I compile shaders manually because of slang syntax errors XD

[woeful raven]

fancy

i can't even build a shader straight out from glsl back in

cause it'll just bitch about layout(row_major)

must be to noob for that shiz

[gloomy tulip]

Here is the source for renovk

I compile with ts

Increasing the step count really helps with the quality

The blur 😭

[tough nimbus]

#include <embed/0x064B27B1.h>
#include <embed/0x07997DCC.h>
#include <embed/0x16781FF7.h>
#include <embed/0x1CBB4C37.h>
#include <embed/0x1FD2C238.h>
#include <embed/0x23489DC1.h>
#include <embed/0x275EC6B3.h>
#include <embed/0x29837890.h>
#include <embed/0x2F7E7919.h>
#include <embed/0x4A246DF2.h>
#include <embed/0x57C50BFC.h>
#include <embed/0x6355294A.h>
#include <embed/0x65204858.h>
#include <embed/0x6ACB1363.h>
#include <embed/0x94F9541B.h>
#include <embed/0xA81035F7.h>
#include <embed/0xAB15F0F8.h>
#include <embed/0xB1B827FD.h>
#include <embed/0xBE6BFB94.h>
#include <embed/0xC9382D85.h>
#include <embed/0xCF1D8B6E.h>
#include <embed/0xD51CEB61.h>
#include <embed/0xDBA2D185.h>
#include <embed/0xDC2D567C.h>
#include <embed/0xDD127422.h>
#include <embed/0xE076BD78.h>
#include <embed/0xE2AFD669.h>
#include <embed/0xEABD2C41.h>
#include <embed/0xEC224F54.h>
#include <embed/0xF1680CAA.h>
#include <embed/0xF42CFA3E.h>
#include <embed/0xF671F95E.h>
#include <embed/0x65236CFD.h>

you don't need all those embeds

shaders.h has all the embeds in it

[gloomy tulip]

Huh really, i was just doing what I did back when embedded headers were needed

Oh well

[tough nimbus]

once you hit configure it'll add all the embeds to shaders.h

[woeful raven]

how can half res look so bad 😭

no way to make it full res?

[gloomy tulip]

Well maybe reno can upgrade resolution then you gotta change the thread logic in the compute shaders

vanilla cooked

[woeful raven]

damn

so much depth added

I'll leave it to forge to slop this in DX11

but like it'll still ghost too much

@gloomy tulip you know a way where we can inject AO before the volumetric fog in this game runs

[gloomy tulip]

Hmmm maybe try drawing the AO directly on the AO render target

I saw that the vol fog is also added in deferred lighting pass

[woeful raven]

yea forge was saying if its possible to run reshade before the fog code

cause if we go after that shader the fog is already added

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[gloomy tulip]

I dunno how to make reshade draw specific effects during X pass tho

Yeah you really need to directly draw on the AO render target

Increasd sample count seems to make ghosting less visible

Like the AO doesnt have that delay to me anymore

Here is the AO, you can try in vulkan maybe

[woeful raven]

one sec

[gloomy tulip]

Of course its still bad around vegetations because of half res blur and upscaling

[gloomy tulip]

Alright I will keep that in mind

[woeful raven]

if they did half res of output res this might not look bad

but its half res of input

540p to 2160p if you're using performance upscaling

[gloomy tulip]

input is full res depth and normal i think

depth is mipmapped

[woeful raven]

so they did input in full res

and output in half res?

[gloomy tulip]

The vegetation looks bad maybe because they don't have per object motion vector

only the camera motion vector

Oh well depth is also half res

[gloomy tulip]

AO using smoothed normal instead of vertex normal is kinda bad too

[woeful raven]

4K native

os 1080p depth

yea its still kinda bad even with 1080p depth when you see the dark bushes

the 1080p underneath really shows

[gloomy tulip]

Motion vector I think mostly calculates for dynamic objects

Would explain the insane blurriness of the AO

[woeful raven]

they really messed up with the post effects suite of this game

DoF is also pretty pixelated

[last hinge]

Honestly I thought that was intentional

[brittle abyss]

Thanks for the work ! Could you maybe pin link to the shader ?

Ok found it

[dusky wave]

I fell asleep near my desk with the computer still on

We're really working like studio devs now

It was a good nap though

11/10 would recommend

[brittle abyss]

Great power demands great responsibility...

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven bypass at Uber is slop

It's applying AO to various FX

Like in the training hall behind the glowing wall, the wall particle flow has a constant darkening halo

[brittle abyss]

Actively testing that. A lot of stuff does stand out through fx. Is the pinned version better in that regard ?

[dusky wave]

We moved it to Uber so upscaling works

But the issue is Uber is the final shader before UI

So all rendering is done

Which means AO is applying to particles that shouldn't get AO

As well as DoF

[brittle abyss]

I'm doing dlaa so that pb shouldn't affect me. REST has to be on for bypass to work right ?

[dusky wave]

No

Reno is doing the same thing as rest now

If you're using DLAA, then use the older version addon

AO still applies to fog but it still looks better than Uber bypass

Welllll

The issue is we haven't properly decomped the deferred lighting shader

So stuff doesn't render

[brittle abyss]

Then I will be a good boy and wait. I have to work on my patience anyway.

[dusky wave]

^

This is right after deferred lighting shader

But has broken decomp with missing multi bounce lighting

[brittle abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/good-boy-gif-17851117609613957307

[brittle abyss]

The struggle seems endless. Still, you will be remembered as people who sacrificed for a great cause. You will be remembered sergent.🫡

[dusky wave]

Gooners really move mountains

[brittle abyss]

Yes they do. Well, to be more exhaustive, that also applies to nerds and procrastinators. Gooner + Nerd + lazy ass procratinator = dream team.

The procrastinater is generally the most efficient of the bunch, but only if the nerd and the gooner are nagging him with sufficient determination.

[gloomy tulip]

Trying to add visibility bitmask to GTAO but couldnt figure out why it wasnt working 😭

[dusky wave]

visibility bitmask + fixing the slop internal res would be PEAK

[gloomy tulip]

Endfield is using stock xegtao

https://github.com/4lex4nder/ReshadeEffectShaderToggler-BG3/blob/main/Shaders/bg3_xegtao_gi.fx

Trying to copy from this because all the other ones I tried just didnt work 🙁

[gloomy tulip]

Maybe you can apply AO to albedo render target instead

That way it should be blending with fog

[brittle abyss]

Unfortunately, I can't get any bypass preset to work. Depending where and from where I look, stuff gets in, and out of the bypass, and depth keeps on flipping.

[dusky wave]

Theres two shaders for enviorment deferred lighting

we have to bypass both

depedning on the camera angle the game switches to one or the other

one of them isnt getting bypassed which is why the whole reshade AO flips and borks itself

Waiting on Spiwar to come back and add his build to githoob

[stuck sandal]

gothhub is a way better funny name for github come on now

[dusky wave]

Gilftub

[stuck sandal]

okay you win with that

lmao

[dusky wave]

enough with the memes

we need to lock in

and get AO working

Either fix up vanilla

or fix up reshade AO

[brittle abyss]

Just to get an idea of the jet lag we're working with here, do you guys mind sharing wich corner of the world your from ? I get the feeling some of you get to sleep when I get up !

[dusky wave]

Ukay here

Miru is in Japan

[brittle abyss]

Nice to know ! In Forge case we shouldn't be far off ! Living in France on my end.

Internet is nice that way.

[dusky wave]

Dio is French as well

[brittle abyss]

That's cool. I should ask him wich region if I get the chance !

[stable lava]

za colorz

[dusky wave]

after we get AO working and the decomp properly, I will try out Pumbo's OKlab fog

Want to see how it changes up the fog

[median robin]

There's a lot of fog going on in the 2nd major area too

[dusky wave]

yh, it has that hazy UE5 look which OKlab method is meant to improve upon

[median robin]

Would be lovely

[delicate pewter]

anyone found a fix for the memory leak?

[wet raptor]

that's a problem in general? thought this was my computer dying

[delicate pewter]

it's a general, 14GB right now.... imagine if i did not have an m.2 and a ryzen 7 9xxx series.... the pc would be freaked, not talking hear, listening to youtube and play the game at 130fps xD

[wet raptor]

I have 48gigs and it eats up 90% of it and my entire computer crashes

[delicate pewter]

i'm 98% and stable...

[dusky wave]

Use VK

Allegedly disabling DLSS and Reflex also helps

[delicate pewter]

this is on TAU xD dlss and reflex off

[dusky wave]

then rip

[stuck sandal]

do you have mismatched sticks of ram?

[dusky wave]

wait for devs to fix

48 gigas is viable

I have the same

24 per stick

[delicate pewter]

oh there is a newer version, sec to update...

[delicate pewter]

ryzen loses fps when you go above 32GB btw

[stuck sandal]

I don't think I've seen that lol
assumed one 16gb kit and one 32gb kit

[dusky wave]

you get more than 32gb whilst sitll being cheaper than 64

or something like that

[stuck sandal]

[delicate pewter]

it's a DDR5 optimization, new chips go by 12 instead of 8, but only intel benefits... ironic since there are 48GB sets for EXPO

[stuck sandal]

ahhh
I'm still on ddr4

-# 5800x3d

probably why I haven't seen that

[wet raptor]

2 sticks of Corsair 8 gb DDR4 3200 and 2 Corsair 16gb 3600, with a 5700X3D

that's probably the issue ?

[stuck sandal]

if you mismatch your sticks of ram they will often not be able to run at their full speeds

[wet raptor]

Yeah I was aware of that but I got the 32Gb sticks so cheap back then (lol) but they're down to 3200Mhz since the Ryzen can't go further

Still weird that this game leaks so much

[balmy ember]

how much are you leaking because i never got past 15gb in dx11

[wet raptor]

30+ gigs

[balmy ember]

are you using dlss reflex?

[wet raptor]

DLAA + Reflex

[balmy ember]

turn it off

[wet raptor]

both ?

[balmy ember]

just to be safe

[wet raptor]

Will try

[delicate pewter]

The amount of ram, should not affect the speed if it's the same brand and speed, as long as the size is the same on the combo port, aka 8GB for A and 4GB for B, so 24GB in total

[gloomy tulip]

VK isn’t safe, I have memory leak. I think it started when I used reno tho

[dusky wave]

Reddit threads mentioned the issue being exclusive to DX11

umm

[delicate pewter]

using the new file that is dlss compatible, without dlss on, better than the old one, but keeps going up... so the leak is game related 100%

[dusky wave]

I dont know in that case. I tested removing Reno and using DX11. The same leak was happening

[gloomy tulip]

It isn’t as crazy as you guys but the game started using like 12GB in 30 min instead of 6GB like usual

[wet raptor]

Not even 5 minutes in and I'm already at 10GB+ too

In my experience it was only with DX11 that this issue occurs

Removing Reflex and DLSS/DLAA sadly doesn't help

[delicate pewter]

true, when i was using dx12 i did not have the leak...

but dx12 we get no HDR...

[wet raptor]

Too much sacrifices

[delicate pewter]

the real question is why they did not enable HDR like they promised

[wet raptor]

This was planned ?

[delicate pewter]

Promised, one PC with True HDR

[wet raptor]

Damn

No idea if their implementation of HDR would be great tho

[delicate pewter]

unless they wanted to say RTX HDR

[delicate pewter]

better that capcom's will ever be

[wet raptor]

I recently did Dragon's Dogma 2 and the HDR in this game is something special and not in a good way

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven did you try doing before draw?

can't we just draw right before the deferred lighting shaders and fix all these shenanigans

do 'on_draw' instead of 'on_drawn'

REST might have been the issue but Reno might work without the arm blacking out issue

[woeful raven]

Havent

I have my commits up on gith00b of u wanna mod

[dusky wave]

I think I found the last G-buffers containing albedo

So I am trying Miru's suggestion

But also

I'm out of Clanker assistance

Until 1st Feb

Welp

Tried albedo and now AO doesn't render at all

Probably fucked up somewhere

No it's because I had DLSS on

[gloomy tulip]

What is that ghosting bruh

[dusky wave]

AO mask is now applying before fog but why it doesnt actually apply AO when mask is off and why theres a ton of ghosting I have no idea

I will try on_draw for the deferred lighting shaders instead

[gloomy tulip]

Did you run reshade on_draw

You need to draw before main deferred lighting is drawn

[dusky wave]

Spiwar did on_drawn

because we ran into an issue with on_draw with REST

but it might just be a REST problem

so I'll try on_draw now

on_drawn works fine

on_draw bugs out badly

let me record

on_drawn

on_draw

[woeful raven]

Your hands are tied

(Until feb 1)

[dusky wave]

I dunno if Grok and help here

Miru is the expert

[woeful raven]

Didnt u find the gbuffer containing albedo

[dusky wave]

^

and this is what I got

[woeful raven]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[dusky wave]

which is the same thing that was happenening with REST

[woeful raven]

What about the other option

On render target change

[dusky wave]

same thing happens with REST

on_draw breaks the shader

On render target change merges enviroment and foliage

so AO applies to both

but our fog issue remains unsolved

[unkempt pulsar]

i got the double memory leak special

[woeful raven]

Well apply to foliage is good

Fuck

[unkempt pulsar]

game still runs fine, surprisingly enough

but i can notice textures loading in real late sometimes

[woeful raven]

Is this the same ghosting

If you turn up the ingame GTAO

Fucked gb00fers?

[delicate pewter]

looks ok for me :p

[dusky wave]

back to coping we can fix native GTAO

[woeful raven]

Even at 4k dlaa it looks jank

[dusky wave]

On_drawn fucks up grass/foliage as it changes from 0x1E8A471E to 0xD88CD7C9

on render target is fine mostly but has some wierd darkening warping thing goin on as you move

actually

both of those might becasue becasue of the bad decomp

[dusky wave]

the grass starts pulsing as you move around

I dunno if you can see that in the vid towards the end

[woeful raven]

Actually

That looks lkke

Vanilla jank behavior

If u look closely in vanilla

The grass switches LOD

In front of your eyes

Trying having a top down ish camera angle

And then walk slowly towards the grass

[delicate pewter]

CONTINUES TO BE BETTER THAN MHWILDS

[woeful raven]

It should switch lod when ur near it

[dusky wave]

oh right

yh it changes position of the grass

of LODs

whatever it is

[woeful raven]

Yea so i guess we semi gucci with this

Other than the fog

[dusky wave]

Reduce AO distance and cope

[woeful raven]

Oh yeah since ur injecting b4 upscaling now

Add one more note

Only usable at native or dlaa

No upscaling slop

TI code

[dusky wave]

I want to solve that though

[woeful raven]

Dont know how that would work, maybe patching reshade to scale the depth buffer to swapchain res?

Might have to ask in lab abt that

[dusky wave]

Marat told me to msg Miru

[gloomy tulip]

You can grab the viewport size from cbuffer maybe

[dusky wave]

Thats what I did for POE2

since decomp messed it up

but I dunno how Reshade plays into it all

or I could modify the shader for personal use and user can just deal with DLAA

[gloomy tulip]

Anyway I just analyzed the temporal and blur and upsample passes in vanilla, there are some issues

Temporal - seems fine at first glance but no averaging AO to suppress flickering
Blur - depth difference tolerance too high
Upsample - completely useless because it’s just a generic blur filter

[dusky wave]

^ @gloomy tulip dont know if you saw

its a PITA

[gloomy tulip]

You said you found the last gbuffer draw?

Then it should be on drawn

[woeful raven]

Reshade def knows the res of the depth buffer

You can see in the generic depth buffer addon

[dusky wave]

I think? Its the final shader to have 5 RTVs + abeldo before going through deferred lighting

and I did on_drawn here

REST also has the same issue

[gloomy tulip]

You can register constants in your addon so that you can give render res to fx

With reshade api

[dusky wave]

[gloomy tulip]

Yeah that’s the one I think

[dusky wave]

Let me see

[gloomy tulip]

It’s like update constant binding or something

It’s just like REST using cbuffer stuff

[dusky wave]

I dont need to build my own reshade for this?

we can just code it into reno

Still need to fix decomp for both shaders

ignore

I forgor to toggle on bypass

[rancid dragon]

how much safe is it to use the reno?

ive been grinding a lot of arknights lately

and just noticed there was a mod

[dusky wave]

Addons works

And we've been modifying it non stop without issues

No one has been banned if that's what you mean

[dusky wave]

[brittle abyss]

Screen is da bomb

Because it blew

My mind

[woeful raven]

I saw your post on gith00b

Its. Outdted already

Rain Hard vs Termite Spleen

We dont give that option anymore

[dusky wave]

what post?

The addon on my end also only has Termite Spleen

Maybe I just havent updated on my repo

but VS code is identical to yours

[woeful raven]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/discussions/490

[dusky wave]

oh

I havent updated

rip

I forgot

I havent added any pics either because of the 10MB size limit

Let me edit

updated thread

[dusky wave]

Bypass is applied on to another shader which avoids decomp issues with missing multi bounced lighting

• Applies before UI, FX, Particles, DoF
• Still applies AO to fog though
• Requires DLAA/Native TAAU again to have bypass shader display output correctly (for now)

https://github.com/umar-afzaal/LumeniteFX Download the following shaders and ensure Generic Depth is activated in Reshade Addons tab

• Kernels.fx is the motion vector shader used by both AO shaders, it also needs to be active and running before AO to work
• Use either RTAO or LSAO by checking the shader and make sure Reshade before UI is toggle on in Reno tab

1. Lower AO strength to around 0.7 or lower for RTAO.
2. Uncheck Half-Framerate AO rendering and set Resolution Scaling to 0 to improve AO ghosting for the shader
3. Play around with AO range to stop it leaking through distant fog until we get fog bypass working as well

Options under 2. will increase AO perf cost but atleast on my end I was looking at around 0.2ms higher per cost in exchange for AO ghosting to be entirely gone. I'd say thats a fair trade

MAKE SURE YOU ADD ReShade.fxh BACK IN TO THE reshade-shaders/shaders FOLDER SO AO SHADERS AND SUCH COMPILE AGAIN IF YOU DIDNT INSTALL RESHADE USING .EXE INSTALLER

(Thanks to umar-afzaal for this shader, it looks really good)

[woeful raven]

We fogging with this one

[woeful raven]

I tried mxao

Looks okay and cheaper than the free rtao

But that rtao hit diff man

[dusky wave]

So now to add upscaling support

then fix decomp and cope we can add it before fog

then I fix vanilla fog with OKlab

then i KMS

We can now do cool stuff with screenshots

since you can add banners and such before FX

then have FX fire leak out of the letterbox

[woeful raven]

What if

I ask the free rtao author if we can slop the code inside the shader

[dusky wave]

Go ahead

[woeful raven]

But thats another issue cuz that also has the temporal accumulation preprocessing shader

Etc

[dusky wave]

Yes

the problem is you cant just easily use Reno

to do all of this

Reshade is handling multple passes for shaders

which Reno cant do

Luma can do that

[woeful raven]

Loomasloop time?

[dusky wave]

No LumaVK

though

Time to tell Pumbo to get to VKslopping

[woeful raven]

Okay so

1. Only reason to use VK is for FG and potential RT
2. FG not usable in renovk anyways
3. If they add RT we dont need luma anymore bc rtgi/ao slop

So if they add rt we move back to renovk

[dusky wave]

Do you know how to Luma?

[woeful raven]

No

[dusky wave]

its not like Reno

You will need to do a lot more work

[woeful raven]

Its gonna be a learning experience™

[dusky wave]

Yes

[woeful raven]

One part of me want the learning experience

Another part wnts to

Actually play the game

[dusky wave]

And we do everything via Visual studio

yes

[woeful raven]

[dusky wave]

I want to play

Pumbo just mods and moves on

[woeful raven]

Yea lets fix up this dx11

then we just do fix ups whenever a new patch drops

Until rt drops

Had fun building the factory yesterday

[grizzled saddle]

Uhh when do the tutorials end?

[stable lava]

never

it's all tutorialslop

[grizzled saddle]

I'd like some game in my tutorials please

[stable lava]

i love when the simulations tell you step by step what to do
then you have a 3-page tutorial with the exact same text

[grizzled saddle]

So far I alt + f4'd twice due to tutorials like wtf is this

Can't go 30 seconds without pausing

[woeful raven]

https://fixupx.com/HRTgoddess/status/2015530207311008121

Clair(e)!!! 🔜 Frosties (@HRTgoddess)

booting up endfield whenever i wake up to see how my factory is doing

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[woeful raven]

Its one complaint that the devs are even self aware of

My recommendation would be to skip all the factory tutorial during story

And play the tutorial missions in the operational manual

They're still a bit handholdy there but its better than the ones forced on you during story

Its funny how they had a pretty functioning tutorial in the tech test

Then too much people complained that they dont understand now and they try to tutorialslop

[dusky wave]

We coming back to see FULL BATTERY stack

sell that shit off for 100K Bills

[woeful raven]

Crash the economy

Also

gotta check spaceship

See how your

Slave labourers

Are doing

[tough halo]

Guys I get black screen

[dusky wave]

when?

[tough halo]

With reno

[dusky wave]

on launch

[tough halo]

It's just on launch?

I get it on launch

[woeful raven]

Follow

The instructions

[strong vault]

T̶h̶e̶n̶ c̶h̶e̶c̶k̶ d̶i̶s̶c̶o̶r̶d̶ t̶o̶ s̶e̶e̶ w̶h̶a̶t̶ y̶o̶u̶r̶ s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶ m̶o̶d̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ s̶l̶o̶p̶p̶e̶d̶ o̶u̶t̶

[woeful raven]

Careful before i add a UID check for your name

[strong vault]

[woeful raven]

And intentionally ram leak if success

Oh wait the game already does that

[strong vault]

[tough halo]

Is the launch screen supposed to be black?

[jagged gyro]

you need to be launching in dx11 with the launcher

using force -dx11 command or vulkan just black screens you

^

[dusky wave]

VK isnt supported

[woeful raven]

Yeah

Once again

Read the instructions

[tough halo]

Thank you, even tho you could have just said launch with dx11, but it's okay, I will read next time

[strong vault]

This would have been a great shot but DOF is wrecking it

[last hinge]

surely we get vk one day

[strong vault]

when rt is out

[last hinge]

cant wait to shred my perf with rt

[dusky wave]

Which you can cope back again with Frameslopping

oh wait

VK reshade doesnt support FG

[last hinge]

game only has dlss fg

which i cant use!

so who cares

[dusky wave]

neither can Reno

VK reshade doesnt support FG

[last hinge]

framegen cringe

nah

but also

rt is still

too much of a perf hit

maybe if i had a 5090

[jagged gyro]

rt too much of a perf hit and framegen is indeed cringe

[jagged gyro]

based

[last hinge]

i mean framegen is fine if you already have good framerate

[jagged gyro]

for sure, stable 60+ base frames and framegen is fine i feel

unstable frames from RT ruin it

game by game basis tho

[dusky wave]

Damn... Me and Spiwar are frameslopmaxxers

[last hinge]

i mean i use it

unless its broken which it is in some games

[strong vault]

I love my frameslop too

[last hinge]

but i can only use fsr frame gen

[strong vault]

maxsloppa

[last hinge]

i mean fsr framegen is apparently very close to dlss fg

[dusky wave]

Vanilla / RTAO shader with 0.7 AO strength

[last hinge]

tho maybe not anymore

[dusky wave]

what we thinking?

[last hinge]

but a year ago it was

[jagged gyro]

yah in most cases it's pretty close

framegen is framegen at the end of the day

[dusky wave]

@woeful raven

[last hinge]

wonder if theyll add fsr to this game

[dusky wave]

They should add DX12 so we could avoid VK like the plague

[last hinge]

too bad

[jagged gyro]

real asf

[woeful raven]

[last hinge]

whats wrong with vk

other than being complex ig

[dusky wave]

Ass cheeks to work with

compared to DX

[woeful raven]

I cant read the glsl dissassembly at all

[dusky wave]

Atleast for me

[woeful raven]

Need shortfuse flttened decomp

[last hinge]

yeah its just more complex

but i wonder why they chose that

maybe they can get better perf than dx12?

or helps with cross platform

[woeful raven]

Cross platform the only reason

[dusky wave]

VK is cross platform

[woeful raven]

Weong reply

But yea