Unity Engine

[junior river]

I am dumb

[main wharf]

ofc there's none bcoz I'm a lazy %$#💀

[full palm]

kekw

four minutes until i find out if im in the beyta or not

[junior river]

me as well

its not looking good

[main wharf]

This is ACES LutBuilderHdr so it has some more color space stuff (AP0/AP1) but at least has some comments

Color space stuff apart, grading ops are the same so hopefully it should help identify some stuff in yours if needed, tho your lutbuilder wouldn't even clamp since no tonemapping

[junior river]

Well thats just the main menu

we dont know what the rest of the game has in suprise for us

its out tomo

[main wharf]

I see. Different lutbuilder for title menu has been seen in quite a few games, so yea there may definitely be more then

[full palm]

assuming if it stays the same

then i just need to patch the uberposts then?

tonemappass and stuff

[main wharf]

This lut won't clamp, so if things stay the same... Game may be unclamped with just resources upgrades.
Assuming they don't have tonemap/clamping in another shader/plugin...

[full palm]

yeah resource upgrades + tonemappass worked for me in the main menu

[main wharf]

In Uber/Post-processing final pass there can be saturate(s) for user LUT (= baked), dithering and FXAA

[full palm]

but im sure they're gonna throw some oddball in there

with the effects

once we have things in

[junior river]

'things in'

well I have no access

[main wharf]

I'm not sure about "untonemapped" there

Remember if HDR Lut only has grading, then it doesn't clamp.
LUT output should still be HDR/untonemapped

What follows looks like dithering (?)

[main wharf]

Be careful as untonemapped is linear (before arri encoding), lut output is linear too, but dithering happens in SRGB space.

[full palm]

right i asked maple earlier and she said it was srgb encoding at the bottom or something

[main wharf]

Yup'

And there is no decode, so this shader outputs srgb

RenderIntermediatePass will do that for you if set accordingly

However, you probably still want to srgb::Decode dithering output or you are running ToneMapPass with (linear_color, gamma_color)

[full palm]

ooooh

ok

[main wharf]

Anyway, I just wouldn't do ToneMapPass with 2 parameters here since there is nothing clamping.

Whether you want to tonemap before or after dithering is up to you, just keep in mind you want to work with linear color and dithering here occurs in srgb which is also what shader outputs

[full palm]

what would u do here with tonemappass instead

[main wharf]

Well well well... It kinda depends on whether game ever uses a different lutbuilder.

In that case I would ToneMapPass in lutbuilder, just ToneMapPass(o0.xyz) with no tonemap

So that when lutbuillder with Tonemapping shows up I can ToneMapPass(untonemapped, o0.xyz)

And both tonemapppasses should be able to co-exist, assuming game doesn't ever do 2 lutbuilder + 2 uber in same frame

Working in uber is doable too, but this means it would do the same no matter what lutbuilder is running.
I'm not sure about running ToneMapPass with (ungraded_untonemapped, graded_untonemapped) which is currently what you get in uber before/after lut.
I have 0 experience with ToneMapPass, maybe this works..? I dunno

[full palm]

i think its this one probably

untonemapped and graded sdr color

[main wharf]

I guess. Except since there is no tonemapping, and internal LUT grading is "HDR", you're currently having in uber (untonemapped, graded_hdr_color)

I mean, that's nothing you can't fix, you should be able to create "sdr_color" to feed ToneMapPass if needed, with renodrt::NeutralSDR or something, I guess 🤷

[full palm]

if the game stays this simple (cope) then I just need to do the lutbuilder and potentially leave the uberposts alone?

[main wharf]

I haven't been able to use ToneMapPass ever (skill issue) so I'm in the dark here, take it all with a grain of salt

[main wharf]

Well if it stays like this, no tonemap ever and same lutbuilder, you can do whatever really

This means game is unclamped with just resources upgrades right?

So you can pretty much run ToneMapPass wherever it pleases you

[full palm]

i guess i'll know in two months

beyta access lottery fail gang @junior river

[main wharf]

SRGB encoding from dither would strip negatives unless replaced with EncodeSafe, so that's some more work with the lutbuilder way

Alternative would be to ToneMapPass in uber after dithering, bit like you already have

[junior river]

Bro can do a trillion Unity games but cant Tonemap Ass

Duality of Man

[full palm]

I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times

Hopefully endfield isnt one of those games that spawns 20+ uberposts

[full palm]

Never pull a zzz

• custom lut
• 20+ shader almost every patch
• custom bloom
• some wacky vr effect shit that maple gave up on and just upgradetonemap'd it

[glacial plank]

https://youtu.be/8DADgAaNxg4?si=ZNvSovVn0DVm8Vcn

Looks pretty clipped

Rorange

[sleek patrol]

does this add HDR to total chaos ?

[sleek patrol]

should i use this with reshade to implement HDR with total chaos ?

[main wharf]

Will try to look at game today so I can fix whatever's going on in Chapter 2 and push to github. Also downloaded Kotama something demo

[sleek patrol]

iam already playing at chapter 2 in reached in the graveyard
should i try or wait for fixes

[main wharf]

I'm not 100% sure it may depend on game's graphic settings, game could be fully playable with some post-processing disabled.
It's up to you really, worse that could happen is visuals may suddenly look broken/deepfried. If that happens you can set either Preset Off at the top of RenoDX UI or Lut Shaper to Vanilla in Intermediate settings to correct output.

Until I add missing shader(s) or figure whatever is going on and update addon that is

[main wharf]

@radiant pagoda @haughty dock @sleek patrol @rose mason @sweet spindle and any other Total Chaos player, added missing shader and fixed some issue I found in another.
I don't wanna keep playing in SDR 1080p but is all I got available atm so please lemme know if things break again past Chapter 2, with either shaders dump (done with devkit) or just share save file where things are borked.
@woven crag added a couple shaders from Kotama and Academy Citadel. Upgrade R11G11B10_float and set Compatibility Scaling Offset to 1 for UI brightness to work properly

Same frame

Same Lutbuilder draws twice, sampled by two different ubers

[main wharf]

d3d11on12...
Works out of the box it seems. Needs Swapchain Proxy and r11g11b10_float upgrade

Aw spoke too fast, r11g11b10 upgrade crashes game. Will try with cloning, unless it's actually something else that clips WCG

[main wharf]

Yea seems good with cloning, is rg11b10_float that's clipping so needs upgrade

Oooh, forgot to remove devkit to test 🤦

Aw yeaaa, no need for cloning it seems.

I think that was just due to having devkit, maybe doing some pipeline cloning or something

[glacial plank]

do you have a link to the aces approx on unity's github

[main wharf]

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/blob/master/com.unity.postprocessing/PostProcessing/Shaders/Colors.hlsl#L379

It's the #else. afaik runs RRT > approx curve > darktodim > desat > d60/d65 thingie when going back to bt709 at the end

[glacial plank]

ya ap1 is d60

[sleek patrol]

what color space does this work with

[haughty dock]

Ah alright. Sorry, playin this one with my gf and trying not to mod it myself but still wanted to help 😅

[keen meadow]

Someone tested Hail To The Rainbow ?

[glacial plank]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/zikdnphowz

graphed unity ACES and made a version that diverges at the shoulder and stops compressing there

    const float a = 278.5085;
    const float b = 10.7772;
    const float c = 293.6045;
    const float d = 88.7122;
    const float e = 80.6889;
    float3 x = acescg;
    float3 rgbPost = (x * (a * x + b)) / (x * (c * x + d) + e);

diverges at x = 0.499412

the extended curve is just y = 0.73014784681x + 0.0129418403546 if x > 0.499412, otherwise vanilla

[main wharf]

All good, quite easy to miss there are 90 other draws between both uber passes. Addon is equipped to handle that, but the "missing output shader" warning currently doesn't show in this edge case unless both ubers are missing, which is definitely an oversight. Will try to improve that

[main wharf]

Uhm, not sure what you mean here. Everything should be set correctly by default I think, except for Game and Peak Brightness. Rest is pretty much personal preference I think, unless you mean what game uses for color grading or something?

[fiery sail]

I used the Unity mod for Risk of Rain 2 for a bit but had to turn it off. There's certain lights in the game that cause tons of visual bugs/artifacting as well as the lighting completely changing when a void reaver implodes

[main wharf]

Sounds like a missing shader, at least the complete change during some effect. Thanks for the report, I can have a look.

[fiery sail]

Sure, if I can provide any more info that would help just let me know

[main wharf]

Noice thanks! Other approximations are also commonly used, Stephen Hill's curve in the same setup (RRT > curve > darktodim...) by Unity or with its matrices by plugins. Narkowicz's also appears in plugins. I dunno if I can figure these out, will have to look closely what you did there when I get the chance

[glacial plank]

basically when the third derivative of the function is equal to 0 that gives you the knee of the shoulder so I made that the divergence point. from there what I do is just find the slope of the curve at that exact point and have it continue as a straight line from there

[main wharf]

Demo doesn't seem to work. Can't figure where it's clamping from a quick look, none of the usual/generic Unity post-processing stuff I think.
May give it another shot this weekend but can't promise anything, if too much custom work game may require its own mod

[torpid tiger]

This does not support No Rest for the Wicked? An HDR mod for it would be great since the highlights are heavily clipped in that game.

[main wharf]

I don't know, if it does it would likely be with in-game HDR disabled. Addon upgrades SDR path as there are not enough games with native HDR, yet anyway, to justify adding a whole bunch of different shaders.

Quite a few Unity games/demos with native HDR I tried were straight up broken, something like SDR tonemapping followed by some weird deep-frying filter and what looks like wrong color space...
Aw, and no toggle.

[crude flower]

Sektori works well out of the box with the mod

[acoustic tendon]

am i crazy to want to try pentiment

[radiant pagoda]

@main wharf thank you for the mod updates, Morsels works perfectly, but unfortunately Constance does go above 203 max peak, no matter the upgrade used 😖

[torpid tiger]

Native HDR | RenoDX HDR

Looks completely cooked. This is SDR updrade path

I can dump shaders though in case that helps

[full palm]

looks deepfried

[sleek patrol]

this is what heppend to me when charging attack game became too bright Upgrade R11G11B10_float and set Compatibility Scaling Offset to 1 for UI brightness , how do i do that ?
and what is the best settings

[main wharf]

R8g8b8a_typeless (the one enabled by default) to Any Size maybe?

[main wharf]

Yea the red warning in UI says it all, missing output shader. Set Lut Shaper to vanilla for correct output...
And yes, adding output shader(s) should be enough so feel free to provide dump.

[main wharf]

Another missing shader thanks will have a look.
R11g11b10 upgrade and scaling offset was for another game (Kotama and Academy Citadel), nothing to do with Total Chaos.
For information, both are available in RenoDX advanced settings at the bottom, in Compatibility and Resources Upgrades sections.
Afaik Total Chaos works with default settings, tho I'll double check to be sure

[main wharf]

Best settings I dunno...
Peak brightness should match monitor/TV specs, rest really mostly is personal preference.
If unsure, everything default should be "SDR" but with unclamped highlights and colors.

As for Compatibility/Resources Upgrades, you can refer to wiki

[main wharf]

Looks like drawings, I dunno if there is much going outside of SDR range in this. Can always try, maybe can separate UI (with compatibility offsets if needed) and use "FakeHDR Boost" and color grading sliders to get something decent looking I dunno really.

[acoustic tendon]

did you ever get vampire survivors working

[acoustic tendon]

i added turbo overkill to the unity mod list, looks great out of the box

[main wharf]

Oops, thanks it should be there indeed, all settings supported (iirc they have an alternate grading option that gets rid of ACES tonemapping)

Can't remember if r11g11b10 upgrade is needed, I can double check later

[woven crag]

Might as well add Ball X Pit to that list I just need to check which resource upgrade I used

[radiant pagoda]

omg, it worked 🙌 Thank you 🙏

[main wharf]

Aye. Small LUT maybe, so the baseline upgrade doesn't catch it. I would like to add LUT resizing to improve color accuracy in this case, is in the pinned to-do list.
Had no luck so far, gotta try again without devkit maybe.

[main wharf]

Oh yea, this happens with in-game Bloom disabled, my bad I forgot to check various in-game settings.
Also with Film Grain disabled, or both*

[woven crag]

works with defaults, but UI slider doesn't work. (game=UI). compatibility scaling ofset is unavailble. UI is not a big deal in this game it's fine for me not working, but just letting it out there. there is also a demo. it's a very popular great game

[delicate orchid]

Seems to not make the game HDR. The sliders for contrast etc do work, though

Using this version because in the shaders are not included in the normal version

[main wharf]

What game is this? Maybe missing resources upgrades (Settings Mode to Advanced then scroll down) ?
R10G10B10A2_typeless maybe, or if you're using DSR/VSR or some kind of resolution scaling then try to increase the default R8G8B8A8_typeless upgrade to Output Ratio or Any Size

And yea I need to push to github

Was waiting for something... Uuuh, probably some demo/game I wanna look into, will try today

[delicate orchid]

Tales of Xillia. I'll try upgrading

According to the log the format is swap: r8g8b8a8_unorm => r10g10b10a2_unorm, so I've upgraded r10g10b10a2_unorm to output size. Doesn't seem to change anything though.

(with format set to HDR10, with scRGB it says the format is r16g16b16a16 but there's no upgrade for that)

[main wharf]

Swapchain is only the "final" resource, HDR10 (= rgb10a2_unorm) or scRGB (rgba16_float) should both be able to present HDR output.

Resources upgrades sliders don't affect swapchain I think, but all the other resources game uses to build final picture. Some of these have to be upgraded depending on the game, though upgrading just swapchain is enough in some games.

I'm not sure in this case, maybe try different game setting like SMAA if you're using FXAA..?

[delicate orchid]

Already using SMAA, FXAA completely breaks it 😄

Got it working by upgrading all resources to any size. I'll have to find out which one it really is. Doesn't work with output size / ratio

actually... is there a problem with just upgrading everything?

[main wharf]

It really depends on the game. It is possible game only has 1 resource format that's not already rgba16_float (most commonly r8g8b8a8_typeless in Unity games, hence why this one is enabled by default), in which case all other upgrades wouldn't do anything.
If upgrades happen, they can break some stuff and cause visual artifacts/rendering issues. They can also improve color accuracy and reduce banding...

[delicate orchid]

Ok. With some more testing I now know that I have to upgrade both r8g8b8a8_typeless and r8g8b8a8_unorm to any size. Which is interesting because I'm not using any upscaler (game doesn't even support that)

[main wharf]

Maybe internal LUT

Or some games just render at fixed resolutions, regardless of output resolution

Tho this is a recent game, I assume it should be just fine with modern hardware 🙈

[delicate orchid]

the game runs with a fixed tick rate ... so no, they didn't update anything really

if you set the game to 30fps it's still running at vsync in the background

super speed mode unlocked

and the other way around, not enough frames = slow downs

also means that I have to remove my fps lock for Gsync, because it would slow down the game ...

[main wharf]

Oof.
Then it could be, one common issue is game locked to 16/9 when monitor/TV is some unusual ratio.

Essentially letter or pillar-boxing

Since this usually means game renders at a different ratio than "Output" so in this very specific case, "Any Size" is required over "Output Ratio" as ratios don't match.

An alternative is to use any of the resolution/ultrawide fixes available, as these usually force games to render in the right resolution/ratio. This fixes "Output Size" or "Output Ratio" upgrades in a lot of games.

[delicate orchid]

I see. Thanks for the info

BTW: Seems like the upgrade break save game screenshots. Not like they are super important, but still sad

[main wharf]

Mmh, are you sure you need rgba8_unorm ? It can happen but still quite unusual.
Hopefully it's not needed and is what breaks screenshots.

Of course game doesn't have a demo... If I could confirm internal LUT size, I can add a specific upgrade just for it so "Any size" isn't required and this wouldn't break save game preview pics.

[delicate orchid]

Maybe I can provide the info?

[main wharf]

Well yea actually, ReShade.log should say

[delicate orchid]

Seems like unorm is not needed, but typeless also breaks the screenshots

[main wharf]

Question is, can I find it out... Only one way to know I guess

[delicate orchid]

unorm makes them black, typeless makes them rainbow colors 😄

[main wharf]

width: 256, height: 16 yea probably this

Poor small LUT 😞

Maybe I can just add this baseline and not break anything else...

Mmh nah, I'll just make it for this game for now

Plan is to figure out how to resize these LUTs to 1024x32 (which is size used by most games), this would improve color accuracy and also would include the resource upgrade so games that use 256x16 LUTs don't rely on Any Size.

[delicate orchid]

Some PS3 remnants, huh? 😄

[main wharf]

lol

Yea I dunno, I've seen a few games change internal LUT size depending on graphic settings, so I guess devs prioritize performance over color accuracy, maybe... But yea 256x16 feels a bit harsh indeed nowadays

[main wharf]

Set rgba8_typeless upgrade back to default (Output Size) and try this, should upgrade internal LUT automatically (based on game's .exe name) and save file previews should start working again

[delicate orchid]

Seems to work, thanks!

[main wharf]

Aye, thank you aswell! Time to update github

[main wharf]

Tbh I don't know how much impact such change has, LUT is generated every frame so maybe this actually matters on lower-end devices, handheld and such

That said, I've seen a few rare games push size to... 4096x64 or something, and they didn't seem to run any poorly 🤷

I really don't know 😒

[delicate orchid]

fps don't seem to be affected at all, still only using ~30% gpu at 4k120

[main wharf]

Yea I meant devs choosing to reduce internal LUT size, I believe that's deliberate as Unity seems to default to 1024x32 (for 2D LUTs).

[delicate orchid]

I'd bet it's just like that because they ported it 1:1 from the old version just to prevent any unforseen issues.

Testing costs money after all and these Tales Remasters don't really have any budget

[main wharf]

^ @sleek patrol this build above has fix for charged attack in Total Chaos (with any game settings I hope). Should be available on github within half an hour or so.

[sly lance]

Its still missing a shader, happened when a weapon breaks.

[main wharf]

Again may depend on game settings, will have a look.
Aw yea, AA also matters. FXAA/SMAA would break yea, I was on TAA
Seems to be only one shader tho, nice

[sly lance]

Scratch that, not related to weapon breaking. It was just a coincidence. It's early when entering some room.

I'm using TAA too, enabled everything, bloom, film grain, etc, still breaks.

[main wharf]

Grrrr this game. I think I got it, hopefully doesn't come with a bunch of permutations

[vivid jacinth]

Hello !
I got some output shaders warning from Sektori game, if i understand correctly, i can attach some shaders dump here ?
Correct me if i'm wrong :)
I played for 2 minutes and zip the dump folder, hope it's enough, if not, i can take a dump while i'm playing longer than that :)

[main wharf]

Hey, seems good thanks. Try this

[main wharf]

^ this hopefully should be good 🙏

[vivid jacinth]

I need to load the addon32 not 64 sorry 😅

[main wharf]

Wooooooops

Gimme a couple minutes to compile

[vivid jacinth]

Should have specify this, my bad :)

[main wharf]

I could have checked game aswell to be honest, never heard of it and I just blindly added shader

[main wharf]

Here!

[vivid jacinth]

Looks like some color went from orange / red to green / blue

[main wharf]

Did I derp swizzling, probably

[vivid jacinth]

Shit happens haha

[main wharf]

Aw yea I did, mabad

[main wharf]

This should be good.

[vivid jacinth]

Looks perfect ! :)
Thanks a lot for your time and your work.

[sly lance]

That did the trick. Thanks!

[main wharf]

Aye, snapshot should be updated in an hour or so.

[main wharf]

Tried to reproduce this but couldn't. If you don't mind providing ReShade.ini and any detail, would be helpful

[jaunty nebula]

Hey,
Is there a specific RenoDX mod out for Genshin Impact? Just checking here since it's the only relevant thread I could find (Unity).

[junior river]

Nope

We have reno for other gatchaslopper

I guess no one has been that interested in Genshin

[jaunty nebula]

Oh my, guess I better stick to vanilla Reshade then.

Sigh.

[junior river]

I dont think the AC blocks devkit

and considering regular reshade works, reno probably could too

[uneven sluice]

genshin has native hdr no (through registry bs)? did no one test it?

[junior river]

That was ITM

[uneven sluice]

rip

[junior river]

well

actually I dont know wtf it is

it mentions Windows_HDR

[full palm]

nah

its not ITM

its just borked

[junior river]

so shit either way

[full palm]

with raised mid tone crap

[junior river]

Gatchaslopper with native HDR

🤯

[full palm]

i got a reshade fx that'll fix it

and it looks decent

but then again

its genshin

so its like polishing a turd

[junior river]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[full palm]

wwdym bud

[junior river]

me

omw to spread misinfo

not u

[full palm]

smh

but yea this is native

look at that black floor

[junior river]

brother backed out genshin slop just to faxcheck me

[full palm]

SDR screenshot so just look at the graph

nah this is screenshot from like

2-3 years ago

aint no way im playing dis shiz

[junior river]

[full palm]

with simple reshade tweak

[main wharf]

Had a quick look at a shader dump from Genshin someone sent back then, didn't find anything that looked like Unity's post-processing so I didn't bother.
Tho I never actually installed the game to check what goes on, so I dunno

[junior river]

@jaunty nebula

Do this then use reshade as the cat pointed out to fix midtone borkery

[full palm]

oh this guy

i pointed out the solution to him months ago and he told me after fiddling around it worked

maybe he just wants a native fix

but yea in the default state the shadows are extra extra raised

man

lilium hdr analysis used to look like that

[junior river]

oh yh Voosh, this is as far I go to with Endless Space 2

half or all of the OS window goes black

I cant interact or even display the whole of windows on the side that is black

💀

if I opened up task manager (even though I have it set to draw on top of apps) half of it would be missing

game is borked

[jaunty nebula]

Hmm yea, I'm aware. Nowadays, most third party tools that I like to use with the game such as FPS unlockers offer an option for tapping into the game's Native HDR path via a "HDR" option.

[jaunty nebula]

Exactly, I'm that guy.
I used your Reshade hack from here [#1133480106078248980 message] and have been playing the game in Reshade-tuned HDR ever since then, albeit with some tweaked contrast settings (the main two you pointed out in your screenshot) that best align with my in-game brightness values.

Still, I can never experience true blacks within the game. There is always some visibly lifted gamma in dark places like the Chasm Underground.

Part of the reason why I dialed up the contrast values more is to combat those lifted blacks.

I'm definitely looking for a more native fix cause y'all know the best shaders to employ for this game.

[full palm]

Did you compare with sdr...?

[jaunty nebula]

I am on an Alienware AW3225QF and honestly, I would just play this game in SDR (cause so many useful third party tools become incompatible with Genshin HDR + Reshade enabled)

If the game didn't look absolutely horrendous.

The gamma is through the roof, the colors are odd and there is visible bloom on every object (shit's straight up making me feel I'm using a Mini-LED monitor or sum).
I've ascertained that this is not a hardware-level issue because my monitor passes all it's in-built tests just fine. In all this time I've owned the monitor I've never been able to pin down the root cause.... This goes beyond me and my layman knowledge.

I miss how normal and infact beautiful Genshin SDR looked in my Samsung Odyssey G7 VA monitor.

So basically, I'm only playing Genshin in HDR to make it playable you see.

This is not what I signed up for when I was getting an OLED monitor. I thought I was gonna trespass into a whole new realm of visual beauty.

[full palm]

Hdr isnt gonna fix the game looking like ass

Because the game looks like ass regardless

[jaunty nebula]

With all your knowledge, do you have any idea why SDR fails so miserably for my monitor in Genshin?

It looked decent in a VA monitor, why not so in an OLED monitor?

Is it some EDID or color clamping issue at the hardware level..

I dabbled into that too and it didn't quite make me feel like I'm back on my Odyssey.

[full palm]

I dont wanna be extra mean but it sounds like a you issue

[jaunty nebula]

When I open the map, there's a visible white veil over it. Doesn't sound like a me issue.

I've (not yet) been spoiled by true HDR.

[full palm]

Unless u can record it or something

[jaunty nebula]

Only other HDR I've experienced is WuWa's renoDX HDR and it is okay okay.

And I always use your settings that you keep sending on the relevant renoDX thread.

[jaunty nebula]

Okay, but recording will change the color values by default. May not be able to capture the horror I see.
Will try.

I even raised this with the Alienware Team and they had a less than satisfactory answer.

[full palm]

If this white veil is visible as you say then it will show up on video

[jaunty nebula]

Aight.

[jaunty nebula]

Btw, in-game recording or phone recording?

[full palm]

No record with your phone

[main wharf]

Ugh yea some weird stuff going on I struggle with these, gotta learn more basics so I can at least have a clue.
Not Unity but Titanfall 2 does something like that, main menu is black screen with RenoDX, but game still runs and if you get through menu blindly everything starts working.
I think there's a Unity game in a similar case... Dungeons 2 it seems.
For information SpecialK is able to succesfully upgrade TF2 swapchain with working title menu. SpecialK + RenoDX and everything is fine (well for user anyway, iirc devkit loses snapshot ability when using SK).

[jaunty nebula]

The exposure function of my phone is adjusting the exposure and make the game look way better for most of the video.
But for a brief moment, you can see the real exposure.

[full palm]

You can lock exposure

By touching and holding

[jaunty nebula]

Did that. Still makes it look better. That's why it's so hard for me to show people what I'm seeing.

I even turned off all other bells and whistles so that no more post-processing happens. But to no avail.

Just picture what you see in the video but with a "white blanket" over it.

I resort to turning down the gamma to about 0.90 in the Nvidia Control Panel to combat this.

0.80 is the sweet spot where all the white veiling is subdued. But everything looks a lot darker so there's that caveat.

[woven crag]

It really is I never liked it. We have mod for zzz and apparently it looks better than native. You get native on console but I don't like it

It comes with the ussual gamma missmatch too

So if you're playing on pc it's very clunky to force the hdr (doesn't always work, need multiple workarounds or scripts for launching the game properly, I tried) I gave up on it. It's gamma missmatch on console but at least you can decrease the UI slider there

It's not great but it's not something I think it's worth pursuing on either systems. At least is has "okay" hdr on console but I'm not sure if it it's itm, probably is

[full palm]

Yeah this white blanket description is extremely vague

[full palm]

Its not itm its just trash

[full palm]

If you're playing in sdr then make sure your desktop is in sdr

[manic gale]

The UI slider stopped working on the PC version??

I haven't played GI in 2 years so idk about that, but i was the one who found the hidden HDR on GI and i remember the UI slider used to work.

It was still trash because of the raised midtones but it was native HDR (and it also looked identical to the native HDR on PS5, i compared the two side by side)

[manic gale]

I made the mod for ZZZ and HSR and i used the native PS5 version as a reference (as in: i literally compared the two by changing display inputs on the same place at the same time of day).
Contrary to GI's native HDR that is just giga borked compared to SDR, HSR and ZZZ are "fine", the thing that i noticed, is that neither game has very bright lighting

this is true both on the native HDR implementation and when using RenoDX

the game's untonemapped lighting is just not very bright for whatever reason

but the highlights from skill effects and stuff go hard so it's quite nice still.

and ofc with RenoDX you can tweak some of the color grading params to get whatever look you want if you find vanilla too dull.

ZZZ was interesting though because i accidentally unclamped certain things that the native HDR does not. (one of the bloom shaders clamp the scene hard)

so overall scene brightness is a bit higher on my mod even with the vanilla preset

but i don't think the PS5 HDR is bad (either for HSR or for ZZZ), it might be a bit "dull" but that's just how the game is colorgraded, even in SDR, GI is the only one with the gigaborked HDR.

because i'm sorry i think GI's HDR is borke relative to SDR which is REALLY BAD

[manic gale]

I did the RenoDX mod for the other two big MiHoYo games (Honkai: Star Rail and Zenless Zone Zero) and exactly none of them had vanilla Unity tonemapping, so GI probably doesn't has well.

HSR/ZZZ had both some custom Uberposts and some vanilla-looking ones, but HSR had a completely different LutBuilder that shared actually nothing with the stock SRP LutBuilder with a custom tonemap curve that kind of looks like an ACES approximation but it's not quite ACES.
(https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/main/src/games/honkai-starrail/lutbuilder_0x12F5D245.ps_4_0.hlsl if you are curious.)

ZZZ meanwhile has a stock-looking SRP LutBuilder with an custom tonemap curve and an SDR lut added to it
(https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/blob/zenless-zone-zero/src/games/zenless-zone-zero/d3d12/LutBuilders/lutbuilder_general_0xDE838892.ps_6_0.hlsl)

[woven crag]

Aligns with my experience pretty much as well. Genshin is omega borked, while zzz does look a bit better, it's as you said the highlights don't pop properly, other stuff that shouldn't be bright is more bright than what you would actually want. It just seems like upscaled SDR and following the SDR grading logic. Someone posted a picture of a lootbox with way higher popping highlight details on it, I've never seen anything like that in its native HDR at all not even close. It's bright, but it's not "tasteful HDR" like it just looks burned and at the same time conservative to me

[manic gale]

It is not upscaled SDR

[woven crag]

I actually don't find them as impactful as you would see what Reno does in a typical unit or unreal game. On the contrary I believe that the games paper white/overall brightness is too high and lacks highlight details

[woven crag]

I know but it feels like it to me. Nothing in the game screams to me "look at this nice HDR highlight"

[manic gale]

Now both follow the same SDR grading but this is imo how you do HDR correctly anyway.

If your game is graded entirely different in HDR compared to SDR you kind of fucked up

[woven crag]

Yeah that's pretty much the uh.. the problem I have with it

[manic gale]

I think there is an argument to be had that the SDR grading itself is sus and it's something i would be willing to agree with

[woven crag]

It follows SDR a little bit too faithfully to my taste, I would just tone down the overall exposure and let the dynamics in highlights stand out more (like the shoulder setting?)

For example in some stages it would make the sky extremely bright but there's just no detail to it just looks burned

[manic gale]

but HDR being accurate to SDR with expanded highlights and color gamut (Lmao as if you had WCG) is the correct way to go about it.

[manic gale]

I assume you are talking about the native HDR here and not my mod?

[woven crag]

And in other stages there's this foggy lut (like the Bringer fight) which also obscures the combat FX highlights so it's all kinda of a mush. It's just nothing what I'm expected from seeing in reno which I prefer more. It's maybe more correct to SDR but it's just my taste - it looks too much like tone mapped SDR

[woven crag]

Yes native, I never tried the mod

Native on console

I only saw a few pictures

[manic gale]

Ok yeah i don't particularly love the color grading on vanilla ZZZ

so i can't say i disagree with you there

both in SDR and HDR

but i don't think it's bad HDR exactly, the implementation is fine

it's just that their SDR grading is trash, just like the game.

[woven crag]

Yeah it's not bad... It's bright, but... Not graded the way I'd like to see. It just looks like bright sdr to me

[manic gale]

I think the problem is more that the SDR color grading is trash and it turns out trash in SDR is still trash in HDR

though i don't actually mind the color grading on Honkai: Star Rail

[woven crag]

on that I would also agree it's the best of them all

[manic gale]

and i use the great vanilla+ preset from @glacial plank (thanks for that <3)

my issue with HSR in terms of HDR Is that the game is just dim as fuck?????????

like the lighting is just not bright at all

[woven crag]

No?

[manic gale]

wtf is that

[woven crag]

It was never dim to me not at all

Often too bright

[manic gale]

i mean i don't think daylight scenes for instance

look as bright as i would have expected some times

it's kind of weird

it depends on the map

there are some maps that just look dim for some reason

[woven crag]

Back then I only had an 800 nit TV to play on, and it was already one of the best.. no, the best looking and bright impactful HDR anime style game. Never had issue with it being dim

[manic gale]

I play it mostly on a Steam deck oled

and remember the Steam Deck OLED is 1000 nits with no ABL

so uh

[woven crag]

It's super weird to hear that

[manic gale]

I mean it makes sense

ABL is a thing on TVs because of size

the screen is too large and you need ABL because driving a lot of pixels at max brightness would cause the device to draw absurds amount of power and overheat.

OLED screens used on devices like handhelds or phones are small and don't have this problem

this does mean they are more succeptable to burn in though so 50/50

[woven crag]

This I also learned recently yeah. Some call it physics. I couldn't understand why is 42" C5 still capped to 800 range (I have a C2 and was thinking upgrading)

[manic gale]

I find the Steam Deck OLED not having ABL to be quite interesting compared to my C3 on the living room

because it doesn't actually get cucked during daylight scenes

compared to the C3 which does.

[woven crag]

I only tested one game in HDR on it so far and it looked incredible but it was ideal oled conditions (slots&daggers)

But that was streamed with Reno mod

No clue about native HDR titles

It did legit pop almost as much as it does on my S95F

[manic gale]

I stream stuff from my PS5 and my PC to the Steam Deck OLED, but i also run native games either with Native HDR or RenoDX on my Steam Deck OLED and both work great.

I have the OLED for almost a year and i quite love it

I don't really care how old or underpowered it is compared to newer handhelds because no other handheld can give me the same experience, and the OLED users who don't know how to mod in HDR on their games are missing out

[woven crag]

I normally use sunshine/Apollo to stream but I couldn't get HDR/Reno to work properly trough that. It works perfectly on a native steam stream tho. No idea why didn't research further

[manic gale]

I use upstream sunshine and upstream moonlight and both work fine

but i did just buy an HDMI dummy plug

and flashed an custom EDID to enable HDR

becuse honestly virtual display drivers suck and i don't want to deal with them

[manic gale]

this shit just works

I also use Chiaki to Stream HDR from my PS5 and it works well too

[woven crag]

I think it's got something to do with all of those display adapters and sometimes not starting it up right, not sure if related but I already have 2 hdmi displays connected and sometimes when I connect trough moonlight I get this deep fried look

[manic gale]

(and it's what i actually prefer using a lot of the time because it's just so much more convenient to stream compared to my PC)

[woven crag]

Never heard of that. I use the only app I could find on android shield tv psplay something, but it has huge input lag compared to steam

[manic gale]

(it's not that Moonlight/Sunshine is broken, it's more that i don't like having to putting my desktop password and deal with UAC prompts, desktop launchers and all of that garbage)

[manic gale]

OOF you are missing out A LOT

https://streetpea.github.io/chiaki-ng/

it's a contiuation of a dead open-source project and they expanded on it a lot for the Steam deck

[woven crag]

This works on Android TV?

[manic gale]

oh uh

no

[woven crag]

I'll definetely look into it for streaming my ps5 stuff tho

Is it a pain to set up on deck?

[manic gale]

it only targets Windows/Linux/macOS

[manic gale]

no

https://streetpea.github.io/chiaki-ng/setup/

intentionally made to be as painless as possible

[woven crag]

Nice, thanks. Will be much better than streaming zzz from desktop, resolution gets all freaked out

[manic gale]

one thing that kind of sucks (and this is the PS5's fault)

the PS5 will only expose HDR if you are connected to an HDR display

and it only supports having one display calibration preset

[woven crag]

But.. in the case of deck oled, it is always HDR?

[manic gale]

the PS5 will only stream in HDR if it is connected to a display that supports HDR over HDMI

so if your PS5 is connected to a display that doesn't have HDR you will not get HDR on the deck

even if you tell it to use HDR

because the console is dumb like that

[manic gale]

or what cucks me sometimes: there is no display plugged in

[woven crag]

Oh yeah I actually kinda understand why

Because it was never meant to stream like that it still operates normally outputting everytging on your main display

It's like windows duplicate mode

The whole streaming thing was more of an afterthought I think

[manic gale]

i hit this scenario whenever someone decides to turn off the TV instead of leaving it on Standby mode

and i need to go to the living room and turn on the TV again and put it on standby mode lmao

[woven crag]

Oh yeah can absolutely see this being the issue and I understand why

Because I fucked with dual HDR hdmi setup on my desktop enough to know how finicky this is

[manic gale]

this is also really annoying

i used to have my PS5 calibrated to 800 nits to math the TV but now i keep it at 1000

[woven crag]

You should never fully turn off oleds... Lots of folks caused burnin like that by always canceling out it's compensation cycles

[manic gale]

becuase of the Steam Deck OLED.

[manic gale]

I know

My parents are boomers

I told them that already

I can't stop them from doing it

[woven crag]

You need to beat it into them

[manic gale]

I TRIED OK

[woven crag]

If I managed to teach them not to burnin anything on our 15 year old plasma...

Still looks great btw

Puts any LCD to total shame

No HDR but black levels and motion are just great. No crush... Good blacks... No blooming... And the motion... It's like watching a crt again

It's so good for movies

[manic gale]

My mom stopped doing that but my dad still does it for SOME REASON, but he rarely watches TV on the living room and prefers to watch things on his bedroom TV, so it rarely happens.

he's missing out since that TV is a crappy cheap LCD from a few years ago but hey i can't account for taste

[woven crag]

Letting my parents keep that plasma TV was probably one of the best decisions we ever did

For watching boomer content (no HDR movies and games) it's ideal

[manic gale]

we never had a plasma TV, we just went CRT -> LCDs

[woven crag]

No issues with oled (bad motion, crushed blacks, ABL..) it's just a perfect balance of a smooth and well contrasty natural picture

Damn, we really derailed this room. Sorry about that

[full palm]

Never done a native hdr mod before

Wonder how hard it would be

[junior river]

giga hard

(you have to deal with pre existing HDR slop bullshit)

[full palm]

Its not worth it for this shitass game anyways

[junior river]

betta to just wipe the slate clean and do SDR path

but FG sloppery then starts to flicker

shit ass

[full palm]

Genshin has no fg so

[woven crag]

I gladly trade all FG for good HDR

I would trade DLSS and all graphic details for better HDR first

Folks playing cyberpunk with 5090 maxed raytracing on LCD;;;

https://tenor.com/view/people-who-don't-know-vs-people-who-know-those-who-don't-know-vs-those-who-know-gif-18075947697117816471

Me playing with all rayslop and fg slop off enjoying nit perfect HDR

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-15449497793648793961

Don't need anything else

https://tenor.com/view/16-times-the-detail-16-times-16x-detail-fallout-76-gif-16559377424094332938

[junior river]

abysmal

HDR, FG and PT

holy trinity

Not playing sub 120FPS ever again

and you're not getting 120 with RT/PT

unless you have a 9090ti

SDRlets really be playing their games like this

[woven crag]

Yeah sure it's best if you can have all, but if I have to choose... HDR comes first

[woven crag]

Damn, this really hits hard

[woven crag]

What I mean to say is... If Reno has issues running together with FG that doesn't bother me one bit. But frame doubling (smooth motion, lossless scaling) should work?

[manic gale]

usually not that different, there should be no need to upgrade resources or swapchain, just replace the shaders

but i don't know and i don't care about GI

[full palm]

https://tenor.com/view/brotherhood-gif-22994469

me neither

[crimson spear]

Have you tried out Apollo?

Automatic virtual display and it saves the settings for each client

[full palm]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[manic gale]

No and i do not want to.

I have something that works and probably works much better than a shady self-signed driver.

[acoustic tendon]

anyone tried "west of loathing" or "shadows over loathing"?

[sleek patrol]

sad just tried it
charging the attack disables it make it back to normal again but after a while it comes back again changin lut sharper to vanilla disables the glow issue but the game isnt as colorful as it was

[lapis schooner]

dump the shader then?

[sleek patrol]

i donno how

[lapis schooner]

install renodx devkit addon, then turn on auto dump

https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-devkit.addon64

[true carbon]

You can dump without devkit

Oh wait, nvm. We're in Unity.

[main wharf]

Hi its me I make a bunch of addons without a clue how to code

[sly lance]

Did you try the build below that one? #1413695723404398674 message

[main wharf]

Just get snapshot, is most recent atm

http://notvoosh.github.io/renodx-unity/renodx-unityengine.addon64
http://notvoosh.github.io/renodx-unity/renodx-unityengine.addon32

[grizzled valley]

Works in Virt-a-Mate 😭
(Just a dummy test scene, also don't google this "game" lol)
Strange banding in the screenshot, but I don't see it ingame 🤔 Oh well

Sadly the UI slider doesn't work 😔
Pretty sure it's a fully custom UI solution

[jaunty nebula]

Yea, my entire desktop is in SDR. I ensure to turn off the global HDR in Windows.

[jaunty nebula]

Another way I can describe is that there's a "white veil" over everything.
Let's say I'm looking at a part of the map that has green all over it (due to grass). There are raised and noticeable level of white like as if the gamma has been cranked up too high. So the green ends up looking more like light green than normal green.

Hope thi description suffices. e

[crimson spear]

@main wharf Found this in constance

Original one

It requires these upgrades to work correctly. aspect ratio RGBA8 Unorm will break screenshots

[main wharf]

Ah this game too? I think it probably has 256x16 LUT.
If RGBA8_typeless Any Size also breaks stuff, I can upgrade just the LUT by .exe name (until I figure LUT resizing anyway).

[main wharf]

Thanks, just pushed this.

[main wharf]

Included internal LUT upgrade for the game (Constance) assuming is 256x16, so possibly RGBA8_typeless Output Size or Ratio is enough now

[crimson spear]

It is 256x16, yeah

[grizzled valley]

@main wharf can I dump the UI shader and patch it ?
Is there a tutorial or smth ? 🙏

[acoustic tendon]

how come i cant change the offsets

the uis being effected by the game brightness

[main wharf]

"if possible"

Setting being locked means there is no possible offset currently

It may change depending game status tho, like... No offset in title menu but it becomes available once in game or something

[acoustic tendon]

gotcha, well thats too bad for ball x pit :(

i mean i dont usually change from the 203 stuff so its already fine

[main wharf]

Yeaaaa, first you can try a different value for Scaling Offset in Compatibility section (advanced settings mode). If available, this moves Game/UI separation, does the trick in quite a few games.
Tonemap Offset is the same but for tonemap/grading, let's say saturation/contrast also affect UI.

Regarding dump, download devkit (64 - 32 bits) in game folder (can be loaded along addon), turn on Auto-Dump, make sure to fully load game, not just title menu. Then you can send zipped renodx-dev in this channel, with ReShade.log could help.

[main wharf]

In a very few games there's not much I can do I think, but I dunno about this one. Will try to have a look when I get the chance

[woven crag]

shader for ballxpit

[acoustic tendon]

lol never seen something like this

how it should look

[woven crag]

I think this is what happens with lut shaper on pq when missing shaders. Have you tried vanilla lut?

[acoustic tendon]

that worked, ty!

great god grove

[woven crag]

here's Kotama fixed using reinhart, I missed that same animation will try to capture it later

[junior river]

looking good

[junior river]

abysmal

SDR never cook again

[woven crag]

hm?

[junior river]

The vanilla SDR looks ass in comparison to HDR

Not critiquing you

But the game

[woven crag]

Ah yes, so much missed potential. I was upset as well the moment I saw the game

But they are HDR? Left ones are taken from steam store

[velvet moth]

Steam store has HDR pictures?..

[kind kernel]

no

sdr pictures are from the steam store

[main wharf]

Is the red warning in addon not clear enough? Please let me know, I can try to rephrase stuff as long as I know it's blurry

[vapid pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

Jeez that HDR one was bright as hell with the white

[crimson spear]

@main wharf 2 more ubers

You can apply the patch with git apply -v d:\Downloads\constance_uber.patch

[main wharf]

Can I..? Don't underestimate my cluelessness, I have it failing now..

Checking patch src/games/unityengine/addon.cpp...
error: while searching for:
    UberGammaOnDraw(0x1E11059F),
    UberGammaOnDraw(0xEC26FAEC),
    UberGammaOnDraw(0x396CDE5E),
    // Neutral
    UberNeutralLinearOnDraw(0x0B383A2F),
    UberNeutralGammaOnDraw(0x0EA73DAA),

error: patch failed: src/games/unityengine/addon.cpp:1019
error: src/games/unityengine/addon.cpp: patch does not apply

Will try again tonite, heading to work soon

Nice hacks tho, didn't now about this patch thing

[crimson spear]

Ah it's alright, it's because your local commits don't match mine

(This is my attempt of forcing you to learn git commands)

Here are changed and original files, in case I did something wrong

[acoustic tendon]

Is it possible to make it appear at the top as well? I'll admit I didn't actually see that warning the first time

Probably was not helped by the fact that my game was in all red as well

[crimson spear]

Last one. I hate unity...

[main wharf]

Ikr, why did I even start this addon again 💀

[main wharf]

Yea I'll try to remember to add this

[cyan shadow]

Okay, got a really weird game for ya. Tried Fullbright Presents TOILET SPIDERS, but Add-on says shaders are missing and the screen is nothing more than this...

It's this game btw:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3098700/Fullbright_Presents_TOILET_SPIDERS/

Steam

Fullbright Presents TOILET SPIDERS

What PSYCHO did for showers…

What JAWS did for the ocean…

You’ll never look at a toilet the same way again!…

Price

$5.99

I've dumped shaders 🙂

There are quite some light bulbs and stuff that can really benefit from HDR, despite the low poly pixelated look.

[main wharf]

Aye thanks, you can try this. Also:
@crimson spear @radiant pagoda Added more Constance shaders.
@acoustic tendon Added Great God Grove shaders. (@woven crag) It seems Ball X Pit shaders are already in addon so... What you can try is Blit Copy Hack to "Scaling only" after which Scaling Offset may become available. If no Offset value changes anything then chances are one would need to gather and manually scale each UI shader. Not something I really plan to do here...

[woven crag]

That's ok ball x pit isn't really in dire need of it

The UI somehow blends nicely with the game and doesn't intrude at all

[main wharf]

Yea likely game runs whatever post-processing there is on UI

[acoustic tendon]

great god grove works! but for some reason it stays bt709 even with max saturation and these on output size

not sure which settings to try next

does devkit tell me what i should use

[main wharf]

I'll check dump again, might have missed something.
Or maybe game does some resolution scaling and needs Output Ratio on rg11b10

[acoustic tendon]

that did it

should i put both to output ratio

ball x pit, the scaling offest did not become available with the blit copy hack

[main wharf]

Nah no need. If RGBA8 Output Size was not enough, you wouldn't get anything above SDR range (game brightness level).

RGBA8 upgrade is to unlock values above SDR (highlights), and RG11B10 is to unlock bt2020 colors.

[main wharf]

Oof, yea then rip.
A dedicated addon could probably work around by gathering every single UI shader...

[cyan shadow]

So, I tested this masterpiece with your (surprisingly fast!) updated add-on. It does seem to unlock HDR, which is very cool!! But the screen is veerryyyy washed out! Tried all important upgrades, fiddled with Upgrade Copy, Blit Hack and other stuff, but it doesn't seem to do anything meaningful.

Vanilla SDR

HDR Add-on

[main wharf]

Thanks, probably a typo somewhere will check now

[cyan shadow]

Wow, djeess thanks!!! Do you ever sleep hahaha 🤣 🤣 😅

[main wharf]

I wish 💀

[cyan shadow]

I can help you with that. First step: delete Discord account. 😜

[main wharf]

It wasn't what I thought, so I had to check dump and log again, and now I just don't know why this is happening

Try this maybe

A bit desperate but it reminds me of another game that would do something similar

I'll have to go through all the games I added to the list (and old individual unity mods that were merged) to make sure I didn't break anything so I can add ✅ on wiki.sigh
Maybe I'll just assume stuff works until someone reports "is broken"

[cyan shadow]

Well, it seems that your desperation helped! You've seriously managed to fix it and it looks GLORIOUS. Look at this:

Now I can be scared shitless of Toilet Spiders in HDR... seriously... Toilet... Spiders... in H - D - R !!!! 😎 😯 🫣

No one plays this game (literally no one!!) and I'm the first to play it in HDR thanks to you! 😉 👌 My life is complete now. 😇

[woven crag]

I tried every setting in that game too but it really doesnt matter imho, it's one of those games where there's not a single thing in the UI going beyond 200 nits no matter how much you increase peak brightness, highlights and fake HDR boost, so it's just fine. Not worth the time separating the UI shaders as it sounds like this one could be messy, just not worth it, not even needed

[woven crag]

To be fair does Toilet Spiders actually sound like a fun time somebody would willingly play gives me the spooky-dookies 💀🚽🕷️

[pale bloom]

life is strange before the storm remastered support ?

[haughty dock]

skate story missing shaders

uber shader

[main wharf]

I expected that kinda, ones from demo looked weird'ish

Thanks

[haughty dock]

pumbo says it may end up getting reworked HDR officially (he apparently got some help in hdr den)

[main wharf]

Yea that was what I thought from back when demo released

aw right I didn't know there was a follow-up to this, good to hear 🙏

[main wharf]

@haughty dock @faint loom
-# Skate Story (+ 1 uber) and Battle Suit Aces (+ 1 uber)

[haughty dock]

thanks!

[faint loom]

tqsm

[acoustic tendon]

do i need to turn off the native hdr for this to work then

btw im still getting the missing output shader warning in skate story

[haughty dock]

there might be more permutations to get

I haven't played yet, it was just missing at the main menu

(also yes hdr off)

[acoustic tendon]

yeah loading into the first level it went straight back to sdr sadly

[haughty dock]

I'll dump that one too

[faint loom]

idk if this kind of game gets any benefit with hdr, but here is the dump

[acoustic tendon]

idk whats the new or old ones in here so heres all of it lol

[haughty dock]

another skate story uber

[acoustic tendon]

how do you figure out what the specific ones you want are

it auto dumped me 295

[haughty dock]

for unity, output shaders will have a reflection with uber in the name

it's towards the bottom, you'll know you're close when you see things like depth of field and bloom in the reflections

[main wharf]

Yea probably.

[main wharf]

Doubtful from Steam pics but I'll check dump, I think 1 or 2 shaders is ok to add, can always use FakeHDR boost and/or color grading.

Will check tonite

[main wharf]

Don't worry about that, I can decompile all and search the folder for some magic values to find ubers. Takes less than a minute usually

[main wharf]

Mmh, can't seem to find any useable shader in this at first glance.

[main wharf]

@haughty dock
-# more Skate Story uber permutations

[acoustic tendon]

this game sure likes WCG!

success!

with Upgrade R11G11B10_FLOAT

without it its bt709

[main wharf]

Color grading and tonemapping in AP1 space does that eventually. ACES moment

[pale bloom]

life is strange before the storm remastered support ?

[still flare]

@main wharf Here's the dump and I included the ReShade.log in the archive as well. This is from House Party which runs on Unity.

[main wharf]

Thanks for dumps! Started adding shaders, should be able to finish tonite (12h from now).

[main wharf]

Doesn't game have native HDR? Some shader code suggests that.

[main wharf]

@still flare @pale bloom @faint loom try this maybe..

[still flare]

Ooo, main menu doesn't have the big 'negative' area glitch on it anymore. Loading into the game now.

Looks like it's working so far. And this game is one of the ones where the sliders don't update in realtime. I have to go into Graphics and tweak the Brightness slider up and back down a tick before it'll update.

[main wharf]

Yea there was likely a warning in addon about a missing output shader. Would've been below color grading sliders so maybe too easy to miss, I gotta move warnings at the top when I get time.
Wait, maybe renodx/imgui has an option for that so I don't have to manually move stuff around 🤔

[still flare]

Oh man, it's been a while since I played, I forgot they have a neon sign in the backyard. It looks so good with HDR.

[main wharf]

Yeaaa it do be like that sometimes. There should also be a warning in addon about that, theoretically.
In some games this changes from one area/chapter to another, no clue about this House Party thing

[still flare]

Yeah, the warning about the sliders not updating in realtime did come up. I'm not sure if it did.

House Party all takes place in one map, so I don't think anything should really change.

I'll have to do a bit more testing with some slider options and such.

[pale bloom]

I did use unity addon when dumping shaders

[pale bloom]

getting this on some places
Happened before also, before dumping shaders

[pale bloom]

SDR

[main wharf]

It's fine to use both together for dump, just don't keep devkit for actual gameplay as it can have a few side effects (mainly performance decrease).

[main wharf]

ReShade.log might have helped with the other glitch but dont bother I'll check game tonite and likely refund (unless game's any interesting..?).
My guess is that object highlighting originally happens in LDR after post-processing along UI. Upgrading corresponding resource to HDR format (rgba16_float) causes it to break.
Tonemapping/grading are relatively easy to find (same magic values appear in these shaders), but that one effect in dump is a needle in haystack, hence including ReShade.log along shaders dumps being welcome.
Again in this case I'll check myself after work, should be a matter of a few mins (basically just to play game until I encounter issue).

[inland dew]

glad i found this thread wooo. Ive been curious about getting HDR modded into Single Player Tarkov mod for Escape From Tarkov. I was goofing around with the devkit, decompiling shaders in the past but thats as far as I got lol. Im not an HDR wizard, just an enjoyer. I installed the Unity mod with default settings in the mod and some of the sliders work, some dont 🤷‍♂️ Im not sure what goes on behind the scenes but Im willing to help any way I can to get HDR modded into SPT-EFT.

if anyone wants to crack into this with me lmk 🙏

[main wharf]

Any warning in addon UI? Would be right below color grading sliders.

[inland dew]

Didnt see any warnings

ill load it up, 1 sec

[main wharf]

Aye thanks. Well yea, I'm not sure then.
Note that SDR EOTF Emulation and UI Brightness are likely to work out of the box in many games, doesn't mean HDR is unlocked.

[inland dew]

gotcha. should i be looking for some stuff in particular in the devkit? i remember awhile ago marat was telling me to look for a shader that had uber in the reflection

[main wharf]

Mmmh. Swapchain Encoding was automatically set to Gamma here I think since slider is locked, so... I guess at least one shader game uses is already in addon somehow.
You can try to dump shaders with devkit and send here with ReShade.log

[main wharf]

Uhm yea if game uses Unity's post-processing chain, then Uber would be a good starting point.

[inland dew]

here is that shader labled uber

[main wharf]

wut

But it does nothing xD

[inland dew]

I wonder if battlestate games is flexing their ???????? coding here

[main wharf]

Aw uhm, maybe start looking from the end

[inland dew]

they are notorious for making peoples heads spin when it comes to code and logic

[main wharf]

Like, from latest draw backward

Nah I mean, there's one thing happening. Sort of exposure maybe

[inland dew]

Escape from Tarkov shader dump

[main wharf]

Oooh uh

That's ReShade.log, might be helpful

Regarding dump, download devkit (64 - 32 bits) in game folder (can be loaded along addon), turn on Auto-Dump, make sure to fully load game, not just title menu. Then you can send zipped renodx-dev in this channel, with ReShade.log could help.

[inland dew]

np np 1 sec and ill get that done

[main wharf]

No rush ^.^'

[inland dew]

oooooh i miss read this lmao

i believe this is what was ordered 👍

[main wharf]

Thanks. At first glance I can't find much interesting in there, none of the usual stuff Unity stuff anyway. Will have another look later

[inland dew]

np ty for looking! let me know if you need anything else too

[main wharf]

A bit trickier that I thought but this should work. Make sure to disable R8G8B8A8_typeless upgrade either in-game and restart or delete Upgrade_R8G8B8A8_TYPELESS=1 in ReShade.ini before you start game.

[main wharf]

Woops. I should have checked with various game settings 😅

[pale bloom]

ui is fixed, highlights are working here

[main wharf]

So this is cutscene maybe? Will check what's going on there

[pale bloom]

yeah, it was going up in highlights, in the first update you provided.

[crimson spear]

From UNBEATABLE

Sorry I'm passing it onto you 🙏

[fading cradle]

Hi. I'm curious to know if you have the opportunity to release a RenoDx mod for Terminator 2 No Fate? It uses the Unity 6 engine. In my opinion, gradation and banding would not hurt to adjust in this game, if it is possible, of course. Or maybe there is some kind of universal addon?

[lapis schooner]

this is the universal addon, you'd have to load renodx-devkit and dump the shaders for voosh to have a look at, it could already work in theory, you just need to try it

[fading cradle]

Thank you for responding in this section as well 🙂 Or maybe there is a video or instruction on how to do this and then apply it in the game? You also need the Reshade 6.5.1 addon and what else?

[woven crag]

#1413695723404398674 message

[fading cradle]

And Reshade 6.5.1 with addon , right ? Fully loaded game its mean i need finished the game or just a little playing then quit ?

[woven crag]

Just make sure you're playing and the stuff (shaders) you want modded is on screen

Sometimes it takes a while before you can dump I'm not sure exactly how it works best to like play for a minute

[lapis schooner]

latest addon reshade should be fine

[woven crag]

As Voosh once said despite it's name, there's lots of different branches and forks of Unity and lots of different shaders used across many games, it can be quite like a duck hunt to get them all.

The UE universal mod is somehow a lot more compatible with almost every game I tried, while for unity, almost every day there's some new game that popped up that's not in the mod yet or they're doing some other trickery that needs to be dealt with

[true carbon]

You doing lord’s work with submitting all LUTs.

[woven crag]

I don't think that's me I'm really not doing anything here

[true carbon]

Oh

[main wharf]

Ah this game looks interesting. Here, though I'm not sure about vhs filter. It should work if UI is drawn on top of filter, else I'll have to add some code, in which case I need to know which of t0 or t1 is "render+ui"

[crimson spear]

Works perfectly, thanks

[lapis schooner]

@main wharf

[ebon stream]

Chained Echoes worked for me, at least in the starting area, but i boosted the highlights a bit for them to pop a bit more

[faint loom]

Really? because for me it stays at 200 nits

Maybe I did something wrong

[ebon stream]

have an older build of the addon and gog version of the game

[main wharf]

Might be RGBA8_typeless upgrade to "Any Size"..! Used to be default and now is "Output Size"

[main wharf]

I'd guess either game renders downsampled or more likely uses 256x16 LUT. First one would be unclamped with "Output Ratio" (unless game has fixed ratio that is different from monitor), 2nd with "Any Size" only.

If 256x16 LUT I can add game's .exe name to existing list in addon so game works out of the box.

[main wharf]

Uhm, did you fully start game, as in get in gameplay section? There are only 4 pixel shaders in this, 3 being already in addon (Blit, Blit, FinalBlit).

If there was a warning about missing output shader in addon UI, you'd want to trigger the warning again with devkit basically, then dump (or have auto-dump running).

[lapis schooner]

played like 2 levels, just with renodx-devkit, no unity engine addon

[main wharf]

wut

well uhm

Lol

7 shaders game

[lapis schooner]

will devkit not dump shaders without unity engine addon or something?

[main wharf]

-# vertex included

[lapis schooner]

or maybe it's just all texture art idk

[main wharf]

Devkit works on its own aswell, so shouldn't be an issue

[main wharf]

Yea maybe. Well there's the Blits which addon tries to exploit in these cases

[lapis schooner]

i had autodump running the entire time

[main wharf]

So like, you could get Game/UI Brightness to work, and Tonemap/Grading to avoid UI, along with "FakeHDR Boost"

If needed, try to play with Scaling and Tonemap Offsets in Compatibility section

Likely both offsets would be same value in this case

[lapis schooner]

i didnt actually try unity engine addon to be fair

[main wharf]

😄

Can always run both first time if unsure.
But unless addon warns about missing output shader, I can't guarantee I can do something with dump.

[lapis schooner]

i dont understand any of this shit 😄

game brightness changes whole game, ui brightness causes entire screen to randomly flash

either way its not working, 202 max nits and extremely bright (looking wrong)

[main wharf]

aw uh yea

Try swapchain encoding to gamma

Still in Compatibility Section

It's like uhh, SK EOTF thing

That would be Linear in most Unity games but not this one it seems

[lapis schooner]

with gamma, looks closer to SDR and not insanely overbrightened anymore, still seems locked to 202nits

[main wharf]

Yea I dunno, game may not have any HDR information to extract. You can try to increase RGBA8_typeless to any size or maybe add RGB10A2_typeless but since game seems to only use only 4 pixel shaders all being simple copies 0 maths, I'm doubtful.
FakeHDRBoost in Effects is like ITM sort of, could try that, if you can find some usable Compatibility Offsets that is.

I know what causes the random flickering,and I had a couple ideas to fix or workaround it, gonna try when I get the chance

But yea in this case I dunno, might aswell just use any ITM. Not sure RenoDX has any benefit over SK here

[lapis schooner]

with these options set, image seems same so probably no hdr to extract

not seen analysis show anything outside of 100% BT.709 either

[main wharf]

Texture2D<float4> t0 : register(t0);
SamplerState s0_s : register(s0);
cbuffer cb0 : register(b0){
  float4 cb0[4];
}

void main(
  float4 v0 : SV_POSITION0,
  float2 v1 : TEXCOORD0,
  out float4 o0 : SV_Target0)
{
  float4 r0;
  uint4 bitmask, uiDest;
  float4 fDest;

  r0.xyzw = t0.Sample(s0_s, v1.xy).xyzw;
  o0.xyzw = r0.xyzw * cb0[2].xyzw + cb0[3].xyzw;
  return;
}

This is the most complicated pixel shader dump has

All other 3 are even simpler copies, and already in addon

[woven crag]

What is this cursed game you're trying to make it work V-Sync?

[lapis schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator2-judgement-day-t800-war-gif-19401019

[fading cradle]

@lapis schooner Greetings. I see you did a T2 dump, thank you very much, and now maybe someone from their local experts will be able to perform certain manipulations? In general, are we waiting for a special addon for this game?

[lapis schooner]

based on what voosh is saying, it is likely not possible to add proper HDR to the game as there doesn't appear to be any extra HDR in the art itself, you could probably SK HDR it but that's fake HDR

this is generally true for all pixel art based games i imagine

[woven crag]

dump for Night Swarm (missing output shader)

wait

that's funny. the game works. it was just the cutscene that's borked

don't bother. might add it to list as working, except cutscenes (who cares it's probably just the intro)

[fading cradle]

I have an SDR TV , I'm interested in whether it's possible to improve gradients , color transitions , and to have a bit rate of 10 .

[lapis schooner]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[main wharf]

Here maybe, added just one shader with different tonemapper. ACES for cutscenes, while it seems gameplay would use Unity Neutral

[faint loom]

hdr looks broken here

[lapis schooner]

will need some work i think, couldn't get it to look the same as SDR with any of the sliders (looked overbrightened in HDR)

[delicate orchid]

What do I have to do, to get Sons of the Forest working with this? I tried the mod linked in the wiki but that one just crashes for me

[woven crag]

As always thank you Voosh for your work. It wasn't even necessary but i would agree it's a good idea to add a simple shader like this one to fix the intro to the game so you can add it to the list of compatibles, instead of giving false impression to anyone when starting the game with the addon, because the game part works just fine after you get into it. If I remember game works correctly with ootb settings no upgrades needed.

And if we continue catching shaders like this, does this expand overall addon compatibility or no, or you think some of these can be entirely custom and some of these additions are only a one-time case improvement?

[woven crag]

Holy deep fry

Was it supposed to look like that?

[pale bloom]

no

[main wharf]

The fact one Shader was already there from another game means new one may benefit another game aswell, eventually

[main wharf]

Missing output shader maybe?

Addon UI would say

You can use devkit again to dump corresponding shader, I dont have game anymore

[lapis schooner]

will add more to this but this is a few hrs worth of play

[main wharf]

I don't know about this game, probably better to use dedicated addon I think.
Crash could be Exclusive Fullscreen mode if game has such setting, or some overlay maybe (Nvidia App, RTSS...)

[main wharf]

Mmmh yea I think I intended to revisit this game. It's only one shader iirc, but it's quite unsual

Might have to do with the update to highlights and shadows sliders v3 aswell

[main wharf]

It does indeed. Had a first look through dump and shaders that are already in addon, couldn't find any issue there. Will have another look later, maybe I missed something.
Don't forget ReShade.log along dump, gives some more information

[pale bloom]

shaders included

[pale bloom]

@main wharf it covers most of the shaders

[still flare]

@main wharf Could you take a look when you get a chance? It seems to be partially working, highlights are going up towards 1000 nits, but the whole image looks completely washed out. It doesn't look like the SDR version at all.

[surreal haven]

playing solasta using unity plugin
hdr works out of the box but depending on the scene it can switch from really bright to really dim
any idea how to fix this?

[fiery vapor]

back on my beat saber bs again

feels like there's one more thing that needs to be uncapped

ok I found the shader

Hidden/MainEffect

getting rid of the saturate allows the bloom to go so much brighter

before

after

[fiery vapor]

I'm guessing this would be where you would place the renodx tonemapper

[faint loom]

thanks for trying

[main wharf]

Are you sure it's not just a matter of setting Swapchain Encoding to Gamma?
In compatibility section in addon. Addon tries to set that automatically but for some games it has to be set manually.

[still flare]

That could be it, let me check real quick.

So I did try to look for that because I know you've mentioned it before, but Swapchain Encoding is locked to Linear. Mousing over it just says it's disabled if detected automatically.

[main wharf]

Aw mmmh. Will check later thanks

[fiery vapor]

@main wharf pinging in case you haven't seen this yet

[main wharf]

Missing shader I'd guess. Addon would show a warning when output is broken. Fix is to add missing shader, you can use devkit to dump all shaders and send in this channel.
Just make sure issue triggers once with devkit addon loaded and auto-dump enabled

[main wharf]

I've seen it. Will check when I get home tonite, shader should be in next build I share.

[main wharf]

Wait wut. This shader is already in addon !!!

[fiery vapor]

huhh?

hold on I gotta update my version of renodx untiy then

[main wharf]

It doesn't have this though. Just game brightness, and the saturate() removed

[fiery vapor]

ah mb it already is in the addon

but yeah I am thinking that it could benefit from being able to use the renodx tonemappers

[main wharf]

Yea I just added it

[fiery vapor]

nice

[main wharf]

Yea it should be gamma indeed. Not sure why it's locked, there's absolutely nothing happening that would trigger that...

[fiery vapor]

I might have to re-record all of my lightshows with renodx HDR instead of SpecialK auto HDR

[still flare]

Hmm, very weird. Can I manually set it to Swapchain Gamma mode in the INI or is it going to ignore that when it thinks it detects Linear anyway?

[still flare]

Ah hah, sure enough. I was able to go into ReShade.ini's renoDX section and change Swapchain_Encoding from 0 to 1 and it works in game. Still shows the slider as being disabled though, weirdly enough.

Oh man, it looks so good now.

[fiery vapor]

oh also, is it just me or is the github page not showing more commits?
it says the last commit was 2 weeks ago but the last build was 25 minutes ago?

https://github.com/NotVoosh/renodx-unity

[true carbon]

build is based off that old commit.

[fiery vapor]

ah

[fiery vapor]

I hope there's another commit soon

[full palm]

What difference does it make lol

[fiery vapor]

more shaders

[uneven sluice]

#1413695723404398674 message there's a build here from just 2 days ago

[main wharf]

Wuuuut. Nice one, I had no idea this would work!
I'll still try to figure what is going on, that is unintended bug in this case

[main wharf]

Aaaaaah, found why it happens, I was just too exhausted yesterday.
Basically game has a custom rule to get RGBA8_typeless Any Size upgrade, and since custom rules can include Swapchain encoding, addon automatically locks slider when game has an exisiting rule.
It's just that I forgot to add Gamma encoding to game's rule... Should be automatically set to Gamma from next build, thanks for letting me know!

[fiery vapor]

this shader in clover pit... changing the number in line 65 increases the brightness but I can't figure out how to make it actually be uncapped

[faint loom]

missing output shader

[main wharf]

Yeaa I dunno. What are the textures (t0, t1)? At first glance I feel you'd be better off using ITM, whether it is SK's, ReShade Shader or addon's Fake HDR Boost/Color Grading. But it's hard to say without knowing what goes on in the game/on the screen

[main wharf]

Try to enable Swapchain Proxy maybe

[main wharf]

^

[pale bloom]

@main wharf

[main wharf]

What chapter/section are these please?

[pale bloom]

Chapter 1 - Junkyard
Chapter 3 - Burned forest

[main wharf]

Oh yea I messed up swizzling again. I must've been exhausted when I added last couple shaders, they're not even sorted in the right folder... Sorry for that xD
Here should be good 🙏

[pale bloom]

colors are fixed, but some some scenes don't go above 203 nits ?

[main wharf]

Oh yea I fixed shaders, but this would be missing resource upgrade, this game is finicky.
Any chance you can send ReShade.log after playing that scene?

[main wharf]

Thnks, try this maybe..

I just hope it doesn't break the rest of the game 🙈

[pale bloom]

do i need to upgrade resources ?

[main wharf]

I don't think so, just means I have to try something else.

Well you can try. R8G8B8A8_Typeless should work, but it will break the object highlighting thing

Maybe I'm reading log wrong 🤔

Nah this seems to make sense. Usual shader replacement:
| INFO | [RenoDX] utils::shader::OnCreatePipeline(replacing 0xd26f4d0b with 44692 bytes at 0000021F1568E0C0)
Hotswap:

| DEBUG | [RenoDX] utils::shader::BuildReplacementPipeline(Replacing 0x3f2260da)
| DEBUG | [RenoDX] utils::shader::PipelineShaderDetails(Replacing pipeline for 0x3f2260da, pipeline: 0x0000021f3e5f7438, index: 0, type: pixel_shader, stage: pixel_shader)```

Can't see another reason why replacement would look different in log for a couple shaders

[main wharf]

Try this one maybe...

[pale bloom]

same result,
then tried upgrade - it fixed the second scene
but truck light is still bugged, i will try to see if it happens in sdr,
upgrade causes the previous ui bug

sdr has no light

[dense thorn]

lmaoo

[main wharf]

Is probably just bloom

[main wharf]

This should fix this. Not sure what else to try for the missing resource upgrade yet...

[woven crag]

I've ran into my first game where I had to set swapchain encoding to gamma, but there's something about it that still doesn't look right...

HDR analysis reports highlights reaching targets but it doesn't look right (compared to autohdr or what you would normally expect), I tried:

• upgrading everything (can this break things?)

• compatibly scaling offset 1-5

• swapchain proxy, I tried ticking pretty much everything that was available

So HDR is "working" but doesn't look right.

What could this be any clues?

Game is Death Must Die, I can dump shaders later but there's no warnings about missing shaders.

So without swapchain encoding gamma it doesn't work, but with it, it looks a bit odd. UI brightness slider does work.

I'm just curious what's going on here. It's a weird situation because if you glance at the analysis it seems to be working but tonemapping just doesn't look right to me

[main wharf]

Yea resources upgrades can have undesirable side-effects.
What do you mean exactly by "doesn't look right" ? Is LUT Shaper slider available and does it change anything ?

Aw wait nvm. I thought it could be a missing lutbuilder since this doesn't have a warning (rather rare case), but then Swapchain encoding would be locked so this ain't it

[woven crag]

i can make a dump or some screenshots, there was something about it that felt weird

the first odd thing is that in your outpust everything seems to be clamped to SDR, and then during gameplay I do get some pops to 1000 or more but.. just doesn't look right...

[main wharf]

Is it clamped, or is game just dim..?

[woven crag]

probably just dim

let me do a few more screens and a dump

[main wharf]

Clamped would remain below 203 even when increasing Highlights or FakeHDR Boost Effect

[woven crag]

ok. yeah i can get it higher with those but it looks fried (no detail)

[main wharf]

I mean, is there any detail to recover even..?

[woven crag]

I have no idea 🤷‍♂️

[main wharf]

Like, even this (from Steam page) looks pretty dim, maybe the blast in the middle can get brighter I dunno

[woven crag]

it shows a peak of 1300 but overall it still looks like SDR

and these two are with fake HDR boost +50 and +75

it's closer to what I would expect to see but doesn't feel right we have to fake it?

[main wharf]

I can't say for sure without having a look at the game, but from Steam store page environment doesn't seem to have any lighting or anything, looks like raw textures.
Some games only have a few effects leaving SDR range. Probably someone experienced could modify the game in depth to change that, but this ain't really the plan with this generic addon.

[main wharf]

I dunno, you can always use SK or any ReShade effect if you prefer, I genuinely don't mind.

[woven crag]

so it's kinda like a vampire survivors thing?

here's a dump just in case you're interested

[main wharf]

I agree it's disappointing output compared to the difference RenoDX makes in other games, but this is also exactly the kind of games I added FakeHDR Boost for, so I wouldn't say it doesn't feel right.

[woven crag]

I see. so a game must use some kind of lighting shader tech to make it modifiable, and these are just raw textures?

[main wharf]

Not to make it modifiable

Dynamic lighting is where HDR comes from

[main wharf]

Well don't quote me on that, I barely know how game render stuff, but afaik it's mainly all the lighting calculations that end up returning values beyond SDR range.

Like, a character's face texture wouldn't be blown-out

It would be clear with all the detail

Then it's all the light and other stuff that happens in game that would eventually cause face to become white blob

So if game simply uses textures "as they are", without anything else going on (lighting and whatnot), I think it's expected to get mostly SDR

Eventually post-processing can add some range in this case, but this is already "fake highlights" territory (bloom, contrast and such)

[uneven sluice]

This Ain't Even Poker, Ya Joker works ootb with the addon
game is very clipped by default (and very bright with default 203 game brightness)

[kind kernel]

When I looked at Life is Strange remastered for HuntRider earlier this week, I saw in the renderdoc capture that untonemapped the sun’s colors barely hit like 0.75, so some games are just reallyyyy dim and/or just don’t really make use of HDR lighting

[pale bloom]

is it not possible that i upgrade resource, but that particular ui shader is blocked from utilising it ? dumb question

[main wharf]

Yeaaaaaa, tho they use ACES, which adds a bunch of contrast, along with baked LUTs.
"Untonemapped" sometimes is misleading

[main wharf]

Uhm, not with upgrades sliders since these affect all corresponding resources.

But yea the idea is pretty much what I'm currently doing: to manually target only the few required upgrades.

[main wharf]

If you don't mind, I could do with devkit's "Trace" log.
Tricky part is that you have to hit button when game is clamped.
I guess you can get to the scene and pause game, then open ReShade/devkit UI, hit "Trace" button and send ReShade.log here

[pale bloom]

reshade log ?

[main wharf]

Yup'

[main wharf]

Thanks. Yea I dunno, I'm pretty sure I tried this already earlier, so I don't see it working. I'm probably missing something.
If this doesn't work I'll just grab game again, please send save file

[main wharf]

^

Save location: %USERPROFILE%\AppData\LocalLow\Square Enix\Life is Strange_ Before the Storm\RemasteredSaves\<user-id>\SLOT_##\*.Save

[pale bloom]

same

[main wharf]

Wait wut. That is same scene right? It seems unclamped here, using above's build

Different game settings maybe? I'm on "Hella High" preset

[pale bloom]

i will try reinstall

[pale bloom]

this build
there must be some difference, causing this

[fiery vapor]

you forgot to upgrade R8G8B8A8_TYPELESS to output size

usually R8G8B8A8_TYPELESS will be set to output size by default but it seems that you either disabled it or you're using a config that was generated on a version of renodx that didn't upgrade it automatically

if that doesn't work

[pale bloom]

This version fixed bloom

[pale bloom]

Upgrade causes this #1413695723404398674 message

[fiery vapor]

hmmm...
I think voosh will have to play the game a bit more to see what's going on

[pale bloom]

This seems good guide

[main wharf]

Nope, not in this case.

[main wharf]

Yea I told I fixed that.

[main wharf]

Not really, it's not a matter of playtime, just a matter of figuring what is different between TheHuntRider machine and mine

[main wharf]

Game settings ???
aw nvm they're the same, I saw settings' screenshot now. Mmmmh

[main wharf]

Some overlay (Nvidia App/RTSS) or something..?

[pale bloom]

Nothing, nvidia control panel default setting

I am on laptop

[main wharf]

testing build
This will upgrade everything so should both unclamp scenes and have visual issues (highlighting etc). Point is extra logging, so please play that one scene again and share corresponding ReShade.log when you get the chance

I'll check tonite or tomorrow morning

[pale bloom]

this version seems to work great, except for ui bug

[main wharf]

Yeaaa it's upgrading all resources, similar to having RGBA8_typeless set to Output Size.
I also added logging for every upgraded resource so I should be able to see clearly what's going on.

Comparing with my own log later hopefully will clarify things

[main wharf]

What about this one... 🙏

[pale bloom]

Same🤔

[main wharf]

Wtf... Ok I really don't get why this happens. Game is trolling 💀

I guess there's one thing I haven't tried but it didn't seem like it would help

[pale bloom]

💀

[pale bloom]

could you share your reshade ini

[void hollow]

Reentry - A Space Flight Simulator seems to have extreme performance problems with reno :(
Loads fine and that but fps jumps off a cliff

[main wharf]

Tonite when I'm home yea.
Tho RenoDX settings shouldn't really matter there

[main wharf]

Feel free to share ReShade.log.
Can also try to disable "Upgrade Copy Destinations" maybe

[void hollow]

before disabling upgrade copy destination

2fps with disabled aswell, had to alt f4

[main wharf]

Kinda expexted that:
[ 324] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] utils::shader::OnInitDevice(Hooking device: 1689090936, api: d3d12)
Dx12 game

Aw wait wut

Actually, addon loads twice somehow, and second time is dx11

[main wharf]

Mmmh, is there some wrapper or something involved?

Maybe is what I'm seeing I dunno. Because Steam page only mentions dx11, so I'd guess the d3d12 stuff at beginning might be gibberish external

[void hollow]

its a dx11 game so i have no idea

i mean folder there

[main wharf]

vkd3d-proton.cache

vkd3d-proton is a fork of VKD3D, which aims to implement the full Direct3D 12 API on top of Vulkan.

Uhm. Yea I dunno, I'mma just ignore the dx12 part for now

[void hollow]

yeah it's proton stuff but it shouldnt interfere

[main wharf]

Ooooooh

[void hollow]

if i were to just blind guess, vram usage spikes like crazy after loading into game so maybe the upgrades are doing something weird to textures

[main wharf]

Not weird, that's expected

Turning on HDR in any game usually does that, to different extent depending the game and game resolution

[void hollow]

when i force super low resolution and graphics settings, i get like 40fps and then 10fps and it switches back and forth every couple seconds

[void hollow]

outside of normal behaviour*

cuz all the textures of the skybox take like a minute to load instead of seconds

[main wharf]

Aw, mmh. Well I hope this isn't some linux/proton setting thing because I'd be rather useless.

[void hollow]

this game and ac black flag are the only ones i've had not work out of my entire steam library so i doubt it

[main wharf]

Is swapchain proxy enabled? If so can try to disable if game allows it.
Else, can try to turn off rgba8_typeless upgrades, at least for testing purpose.
A very few games don't need it, might even be lucky.

[void hollow]

oh yeah right lemme check

it runs fine in the menu btw, just in the levels

yeah no difference

[main wharf]

Aw also, is game in (borderless) window? Avoid exclusive fullscreen (if available)

[void hollow]

ok it needs the default upgrades, only had fullscreen or windowed option so used addons borderless and this moon textures was set by default to 16K x 16K so i just lowered it and it still runs quite bad but it's 50fps atleast so i think that fixed it?

[main wharf]

I don't know, depends on framerate with same settings without addon..!

[main wharf]

oO

[void hollow]

ok seems like about 5fps slower with reno

maybe 10%

[main wharf]

You can try this build if you want. It's a bit random, just disabled some RenoDX code that was causing something slightly related, some textures would be entirely missing/invisible.

[main wharf]

Oof. That is a lot 😒

Well I guess it depends on hardware and how much headroom before Reno is added, but yea I dunno

Might be expected maybe

[main wharf]

Uhm ignore this univ addon, I meant to forward the picture as this is the code I disabled in above's unity addon

[void hollow]

hmm never got this error before

only got 10gb 3080

[main wharf]

I see

[void hollow]

well ok that might have been the main problem then, just vram...

TrollNneutral

i am stuck at 250 nits peak tho but can try some upgrades

[main wharf]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/882140/discussions/0/694247829077729494/

[void hollow]

i see

[main wharf]

Yeaaa, I think RenoDX just made existing issue even worse by upgrading textures to HDR format

Well glad game's at least playable.

[main wharf]

Regarding this I dunno, did you send a shader dump for this game?

[main wharf]

RGBA8_typeless is the most common. Sometimes needs Output Ratio or even Any size.

R10G10B10A2_typeless could also be clamping, that is usually the case in games that use FSR1/RCAS but not only

[void hollow]

unity doesnt have so just use devkit?

[main wharf]

Yeaaa, unity's... Complicated

http://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-devkit.addon64
http://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-devkit.addon32