Unreal Engine

[coarse axle]

but atleasst its HDR

[tepid ridge]

Im sdr the sun looks better I think

[tired sparrow]

well XIV took a while to get going lol, i try not to judge a live service game story right out the gate i just accept that it's probably going to be ass at first

[charred solstice]

@tepid ridge NTE 1.0 in terms of story is still not going to wow anyone, i can guarantee. So dropping is probably the answer. It's not like endfied or wuwa or genshin, where you get an arc and a half...NTE hasn't even got enough story to fill .5 of the arc.

[tulip kayak]

night time stuff is good

esp when it's raining

[tepid ridge]

Yeah I’ll leave it installed in case I wanna go for a ride one day but I ain’t picking this up

Tomorrow KCD peak it is

[charred solstice]

At least it made spi's job easier, that the world opens up so early. Not like endfield when people bugging you for Wuling fixes.

[west canopy]

I'll just focus on managing my coffee shop then

[tepid ridge]

That does sound cool

[charred solstice]

Ever since I killed a random gang encounter and stole their bike, I can' resist killing them everytime i get the warning.

[reef badger]

rain looks so nice in NTE, PT goes brrr

[west canopy]

Isn't that just regular RT I mean lumen

[tepid ridge]

I did this and the bike I got was so fast lol

[tepid ridge]

Noup it’s custom PT

“Full RT” that is

There’s a separate option for lumen

[charred solstice]

you can turn on HWRT via cvars...i can only say...underwhelming.

the mirror bug is still there...even though they said they fixed it

[tired sparrow]

hardware lumen?

[charred solstice]

there is no hardware lumen(HWRT) by default in NTE. It's SWlumen and RT pipeline. I believe RT is reflections only or something and full RT is RTXDI or something akin to direct lighting

the rtquality setting is doing some custom thing, piggy backing on hwrt(which does get secretly turned on) when your RT, but it's not using it to render

turning on HWRT (hardware lumen) will look pretty different

well more like just regular quality mode without better shadows mostly.

[tired sparrow]

i wonder why there is basically no details about it, i would assume they are using ReSTIR and some nvidia sdk stuff for the "PT mode"

[charred solstice]

cause they siloed the pipeline. it was the same in beta, no matter what I did, it refused to change anything in RTquality mode

it's heavily suspected it's using nvidia RTXDI, since it's using those nvidia cvars, but only on an insert point. nothing from the nvbranch knobs work

[tepid ridge]

Oh yeah took a screenshot. Forgot to send it lol

In the first dungeon

[west canopy]

https://youtu.be/R2-P5zEIhsU?is=MK7Qpsx6ciJWqqUZ

Why does wuwa run so much worse?

[tepid ridge]

WUWA runs WORSE?

I guess in raster maybe? I don’t know if WUWA has RT

[west canopy]

Literally twice as bad based on this guys video

On AMD card

[charred solstice]

I mean wuwa has better textures, but it's on a pretty old engine

[west canopy]

His 99th is 29 fps in wuwa and 67 in NTE. Both games maxed out - no RT

[tepid ridge]

I confirmed NTE issue is NPCs and traffic btw. I suddenly spawned in a city area near the sea with no crowds or cars near and I was at 120fps lol (vs 80 in the city). My poor cpu is dying

[devout grove]

amd cope

[charred solstice]

there's a setting to sett traffic density if you want to check, kinda lonely though

[tepid ridge]

I have it at High. Maybe I should try medium

[west canopy]

I have it to high and I didn't fall under 70 fps yet

[tepid ridge]

I don’t either but 70fps WITH FG

[west canopy]

No FG!

4K!

[charred solstice]

I have it default to medium, i dont want real life traffic jams

[tepid ridge]

Well I do fall to 60 something

When there’s a lot of NPCs around

I don’t know why they are so CPU heavy

[devout grove]

need x3d in wuwa and nte if you want to have a good time

[tepid ridge]

They should be just shells. There’s no interactivity with them

[tepid ridge]

Seems like it :((

[west canopy]

That's what NPCs do, they're always cpu heavy

[tepid ridge]

Not really. You can make them shells. What’s heavy is the AI. NTE NPCs are rocks. They don’t do much at all. They shouldn’t be THAT CPU heavy

[west canopy]

But even so wuwa has no business running like crap compared to it

[charred solstice]

probably their city builder tool, it's meant for mass production of assets, so there's going to be waste. also the AI's are a fair bit complex for npc. they try to fight you, dodge, and even have custom escape animations. etc

[tired sparrow]

unreal engine 4 is not optimized for open world games

[tepid ridge]

Ohhhhh gotcha

[tepid ridge]

Wait. It’s UE4?

Not 5?

[west canopy]

Are we complaining about nte perfomance here? When wuwa is worse?

[tired sparrow]

wuwa yes

[tepid ridge]

Ahhh WUWA

[devout grove]

ue4 with backported ue5 stuff and heavily cpu constrained because of that

[balmy sleet]

Nah wuwas is better

[tired sparrow]

the traversal stutter is not something that kuro can realistically fix i don't think

[tepid ridge]

Tbf FFXIV is also hella CPU limited (which is what I usually play)

[charred solstice]

i mean wuwa had a bad start...they're fixing backwards after all

here NTE is jumping engines like it's fashion, UE 5.3, 5.4, 5,5, 5.6 from betas

they get benefit of just...having bug fixes and features open up

[west canopy]

What the hell is this then

[balmy sleet]

average area in NTE vs worse area in wuwa

[tired sparrow]

an unfair comparison

[west canopy]

Yeah he did mention that actually 😅 but is it really that unfair

[charred solstice]

TBF, that's a worse area of NTE, the average areas like the woods are way way higher fps. goto the resort and it's like 25% more fps

[west canopy]

True that as well

[charred solstice]

NTE inside a dungeon is like 250% fps

[west canopy]

Dude just tried to compare 2 crowded places I think that's fair

[tired sparrow]

it's not

he has the crowd density on high in the most cpu intensive area in the game, it's not representative of most of the game

two different engines trying to do different things as well

[west canopy]

Well ok, it might not matter for most of the game, but it's still an interesting case study. Why?

[charred solstice]

wuwa also has a much higher rasterize texture count. NTE is nanite up

nanite gets flak, but can work, especially in urban scale building.

[west canopy]

Ah so you think because nte was built with this in mind but wuwa is kinda slopping it (wasn't meant to be)

[tired sparrow]

travelling across an open world landscape in UE4 at high speeds with dense geometry and objects and entities

it's actually just over

no amount of optimizing will just fix the problem completely

you WILL get traversal stutter

[west canopy]

I had no idea ue4 was worse at that

Wait is that why jedi survivor is cursed?

[tired sparrow]

it is worse

yeah

[balmy sleet]

Open world was a big selling point of ue5

[charred solstice]

sorta, ue4 has some tricks...but wuwa...ya know started in a bad place

it's hard to fix systematic problem

you can look at TOF, hotta's other game on UE4, with...some RT (very small)...and it runs quite decently

[west canopy]

Oh he also points out here: .
In NTE his system utilisation is maxed out

In wuwa it's like gpu 90% cpu 50%

[tulip kayak]

you're comparing the worst area in wuwa

lol

[tired sparrow]

UE4 has a chunk streaming system for large maps

that is just

[balmy sleet]

Nte needs to fix it 1% lows for me shits so ass

[tired sparrow]

going to stutter in a detailed game when you load them in

[west canopy]

Both areas are crowded with npcs that was the point and wuwa is not using all system resources?

[balmy sleet]

Did this game ever pre compile shaders?

[tired sparrow]

massive parts of the area is occluded by buildings most of the time

NTE is literally just not rendering as much

[tulip kayak]

NTE

• fixed character colors
• adjusted character menu brightness
• scale 10k nit UI reticle better with UI brightness

[charred solstice]

that's not the worse area in NTE, i agree, but not far from the worse

[tulip kayak]

@charred solstice where is my only fans donation

[tired sparrow]

wtf

FOR ME?

[charred solstice]

where's the button!

[tired sparrow]

🥰

[maiden flicker]

Cpu bottleneck/optimization issue

[west canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[charred solstice]

oh is the button in the renodx credits? meh...advertise yourself more!

[tulip kayak]

https://ko-fi.com/spiwar

[balmy sleet]

No slop gen plus extra stuff

I get one is pt but still

[tulip kayak]

saturation slider cowers in fear whenever zefrose opens his game

[charred solstice]

i am also like "i don't remember wuwa like this"

[balmy sleet]

Its like this for the story

[balmy sleet]

It was sunset but yah is a littel cranked

[charred solstice]

gotta say, NTE, looks great no matter where you randomly take a screenshot....

[balmy sleet]

Snipping tool shots so not hdr

colors

[west canopy]

There's an HDR snipping tool in the windows store

[charred solstice]

there is?

[maiden flicker]

Bro putting hdr to shame with his settings

[charred solstice]

but can it convert to sdr?

[maiden flicker]

[west canopy]

Don't ask me how it's called I can't remember it's "HDR something"

[maiden flicker]

HDRframe

[west canopy]

I think not gotta use skiv

[tulip kayak]

can save an SDR version of the screenshot

[tired sparrow]

i can't see it

can you put more arrows

[tired sparrow]

how do i click it

[tulip kayak]

idk it just toggles on with my thoughts

[balmy sleet]

The sun

[tired sparrow]

what do you guys use to view hdr images

besides a browser

[balmy sleet]

Specail K image viewer

If you install specail k its in the files

[tulip kayak]

Its also in the epstein files

[balmy sleet]

Mongil has been crashing for me recently don't think its reno related
`Fatal error!

Unhandled Exception: 0x00008000

0x00007ff7f43d74e4 BigCat-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7f43bf718 BigCat-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7f43b08b9 BigCat-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7f43bee45 BigCat-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7f43bb62f BigCat-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7f279d306 BigCat-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff7f279d159 BigCat-Win64-Shipping.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ffad2bde8d7 KERNEL32.DLL!UnknownFunction []

Crash in runnable thread Background Worker #5`

[charred solstice]

hmm i know the hero models always had a custom lighting pass, but what did you do to fix chacters? they're kinda glowing bright even shadowed

[tulip kayak]

Changed the lutbuilder's color grading until it matched sdr with no reno

[charred solstice]

hmm ok i'll test it in more enviorments

[twilit lantern]

@dusty girder any chance you could look into adding the lutbuilders for acc and acr to ue extended?

[twilit lantern]

my new favourite piece of software

[visual ice]

Every gacha slop really is the same

We will see if NTR is the same

[west canopy]

Didn't have any crashes yet, was there a patch today?

[west canopy]

I think it already is 💀

[visual ice]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

The amnesiac trope is so overdone in gacha I hope it dies one day

[west canopy]

It's not in Mongril.

[visual ice]

GFL2 is the only gacha in recent memory that I know of where the Mc doesn't have amnesia

[west canopy]

But Mongril still has the mysterious corruptive force and youre the key

I just wish

You were just an adventurer instead

Fuck just make it like an adventurer slice of life story

[visual ice]

So many gacha games would be better if you weren't the key to the universe and not everyone worshiped the ground you walked on

Like wuwa had that where the characters weren't trusting of the MC in the beta tests. Then the Chinese weaboos went insane because they couldn't cope that their waifus don't worship them

[west canopy]

Well that's why in Mongril I like this is toned down a little. The only Deus ex macinas are your MC able to talk with monsters and your cat having ability of absorbing and pooping monster Pokémon cards

[west canopy]

That is actual mental illness

So now we know why Chinese gachas are the way they are and always will be

Explains everything

Once again guys Mongril is not a typical Chinese gacha because it's not made by Chinese and doesn't suffer from the same socio-political pressures and expectations, give it a try

[vital knoll]

sounds good

ue generic works with it no?

/extended

[visual ice]

It is genuine mental illness. This is just one example of it

https://screenrant.com/genshin-impact-mihoyo-ceo-assassination-attempt-honkai-3rd/

[west canopy]

Yes I posted screenshots and clips

[visual ice]

Will take a look 🫡

[charred solstice]

Forget amnesia for NTE, we don't even have a villian yet.

[west canopy]

#1411800884303626311 message

[charred solstice]

All we have is the scobby doo gang, and their pet otter

[visual ice]

Bet it will be something like oh no the big bad is trying to harvest oddity energy to destroy the world we must stop him Or some shit like that.

At some point

[vital knoll]

is this red supposed to be this red?

[west canopy]

Does it match SDR? No idea, but efects are very bright and colorful and I like it

[charred solstice]

no most likely on point, since they intentionally want to live on tropes, but their punch lines at least delivers the lolz in the end.

[west canopy]

If you're gonna play don't forget to add the denoising stuff to the engine.ini and the usual lut updater

[vital knoll]

first time hearing those two

[west canopy]

Game looks better with RT but has borked shadows at some points

[vital knoll]

is there copy paste guide

oh that's for using RT

[west canopy]

I can search for it

Yeah because without RT there is no AO world looks very flat

[charred solstice]

those shadows are intentional for LOD purposes. they just look 100 times worse in RT because tries to actually have math.

[vital knoll]

only have 2060 super so rt is heavy, will test sometime

[visual ice]

Ya the story is actually not bad. It's not amazing but it managed to crack me up a few times and the cutscenes are really well done. As much as I disliked the otter date quest the cutscenes were so good.

[west canopy]

RT takes about 20% performance hit for me but that's on 4080

[charred solstice]

I always say it lives on character development instead of story development. but the pokemon joke got me hard 1st time. Couldn't keep a straight face for a hot minute and had stand up and leave the chair.

[west canopy]

#1411800884303626311 message

The weird part wirh RT is this it makes everything brown

I kinda miss the vivid greens

[west canopy]

#1411800884303626311 message

[visual ice]

It really was funny
Dunno if you watched Gintama but it's very reminiscent of it. The episodic nature of it with little self contained stories

[west canopy]

I find mongrils punchlines even wittier and they're delivered better cause dialogue is not bloated it's short and sweet

[charred solstice]

it has some bugs, HWRT can hurt a lot for no reason, like you could be facing a wall and lose 50% of your fps. I think it has to do with the fact that there's minimal to zero material properties build into the game. When i attempted to turn on VSM, i got 1st hand of the lack of it.

[west canopy]

It's definetely half ass slopped exactly as they warn you, should have said "slopped on" instead of experimental

[charred solstice]

writter is...umm...a hot take. Konosuba style foils, yes, but they're all tamed and dad-jokes style fenced to be appeal to everyone. It takes zero risks much like endfield and ends up being quite forgettable.

[west canopy]

Yeah definetely konosuba humor, I love it tho

[charred solstice]

Then you have NTE's Lacrimosa punch line.

[warm pewter]

The story is fine even quite enjoyable
But the rest of the game? 💀💀💀💀
Also Netmarble

[charred solstice]

I don't dislike it, but it's rather shallow, and the story stops carrying after a few chapters, they rotate it only so many times because they have to keep it PG.

[warm pewter]

Also a game for everyone is a game for no one

[west canopy]

Uh yeah let's just ignore that for now I have a lot of hours in and having a big old blast and you don't have to pay anything for that. How it is later I wouldn't know but I got a lot of fun from it, wouldn't want others to miss out on this part at least. First time to recommend a gacha for how good it's early game and story are, instead of the ussual "it gets better once you're done with that" it's the opposite here.

Endgame is grinding Pokemon's i guess but I like that gameplay loop actually

[charred solstice]

well not really, genshin kinda proved you can PG it just enough to have as many people as possible stick around.

[warm pewter]

Genshin is probably the only exception
The rest of other games just failed miserably

[warm pewter]

Enjoy the game and quit when it get stale while paid nothing

[charred solstice]

of all the higher budget 3d gachas so far only DNA has a story I can claim is genuinely A class writing. Sadly it'll probably EOS because you can't live only on story.

[west canopy]

Pretty much nothing to lose but get a fun experience

While in comparison when I tried Arknights everything felt just like a slog didn't enjoy any of it (except the HDR)

I keep logging back into Mongril to farm my Pokemon's and slowly progress the stuff it's so much fun

[warm pewter]

Kind of a shame since the issues are deep down to the core of the game itself that they might as well make a new game.

[charred solstice]

Endfield definition of a story that no matter how talented the writers are, they probably had marching orders to appeal to every niche....and ended up no one really liked it because it wasn't their niche

[warm pewter]

Endfield would have been forgotten already if it didn't have the Arknights IP carrying it.

[charred solstice]

Nah, it would still be hollywood blockbuster slop. The budget is insane, and art/directing/attention to detail, is top teir on top of game performance. I have never seen so much effort to make the a perfect hollywood level directors cut, but with the stupidest writing.

[vital knoll]

ty

[west canopy]

It's not like I expected a.fun story from Enfield but game just wasn't it for me. Gameplay loop in Mongril is decimate the native flora and fauna in PS2 jrpg style and collect their DNA, it's fast and fun, Arknights gameplay loop is uhh... Yeah I just bounced off that super fast

[charred solstice]

like lighting, angles, music, cinematography, you thought Fangyi was saving the world....No she's just an overworked emo little girl, that can't ask for help.

but...omg was the directing on point

[warm pewter]

Factory-building games are pretty niche there are literally only two games that popularize them.
Factorio and Satisfactory

[west canopy]

Mechanically the combat wasn't fun for me what little there was

Even fighting trash mobs in Mongril is fun and bosses are super fun

[charred solstice]

technically Mongil combat is even worse, and repetitive up the wazoo once you realize the end game farm rates.

[warm pewter]

Both are pretty bad considering today standards

[west canopy]

Are we saying nte is like that much better?

[warm pewter]

Nah

[charred solstice]

A bit, but most people would rather be saving up for a new car then do abyss clone

NTE combat is...slightly better then other genshin clones, mechanically it's kinda ok, controls are little laggy though

[west canopy]

I don't like how dodge counter works

Feels kinda delayed

But that's a nitpick

[warm pewter]

It wasn't really delay though the counter window is just way too big

[charred solstice]

nah, I think it's because you can't buffer it

[west canopy]

Mobile gaming

[warm pewter]

Yeah that too

[west canopy]

Wait is nte on mobile

Of course it is

[charred solstice]

yes, all forms even mac

[west canopy]

That's actually kinda impressive

[warm pewter]

NTE actually run pretty great on mobile

[charred solstice]

NTE is basically a copy of all the popular genshin clone mechs, except it's esper cycle, which is orginal

[warm pewter]

I was able to run on Cinematic at 60 FPS for half a hour though then the phone throttled

[charred solstice]

parry mech, dodge counters, break bars, tag team, and loop combos

[west canopy]

Honestly I liked ToF system more because it was simpler. I don't really understand what nte is trying to do, too many nouns I don't understand

[charred solstice]

esper cycle...I haven't seen another game like that, it's not quite zzz

[west canopy]

4 days into nte and I still have not the slightest clue wtf my characters do

[warm pewter]

NTE Combat took a lot of "inspiration" from Wuwa
Even the dodge and counter are identical

Not complaining though

[charred solstice]

because you're too busy begging for fons

[charred solstice]

at the end of the day, it's just genshin clone combat, so they did work, but it's still someone else's homework. Endfield for all it has, tried to make their own at least.

[warm pewter]

Endfield used to have manual aim for skills but I guess it too much for mobile

💀

[charred solstice]

I mean that's a good thing? you can spam to win, but there's actually fine play if you choose to do so? People liked genshin for that aspect.

[warm pewter]

You don't have to do all the combat mechanics the game still work without it

[west canopy]

Just preference I guess. I like it better when a game isn't too hard to learn and I have a solid confidence I completely understand it's mechanics

[charred solstice]

well abyss is time attk...as clone as it is of genshin

[west canopy]

That's exactly my point. Hate that feeling I don't understand it all and I'm just winging it

[charred solstice]

I don't think too hard on it, I hated abyss after a while in genshin, hate it in wuwa, hate it even in endfield, so probably hate it in NTE.

[west canopy]

I never had issue with their endgame just burned out eventually and moved on when game got stale

[charred solstice]

I get the mechs now, but i did play the beta, I still can't really do them that well. Like I can't remember what elemental reactions do what, so I just do the most basic ones

[warm pewter]

Abyss content was enjoyable at first, but then you realized it was designed to frustrate you into pulling from the rated-up banner.

[west canopy]

Not nearly as much as it does today in all their games back in the day it was very tame

[west canopy]

In NTE? Yeah I don't know anything man. It'll take a long time to figure stuff out, if at all

[warm pewter]

A combat-focused game might not be for you, I guess, and it's a preference.
While NTE is not even one, I enjoyed the tycoon stuff a lot.

[visual ice]

Nah mostly it comes down to the characters which keep people coming back to gachas. And Endfield has the best character models in the entire gacha industry. Like if NTE had that level of character detail the game would probably be a much bigger success.

[west canopy]

I like combat focused games. I don't like the fact it makes it too convoluted to understand making me feel left out, let me point you back to this statement: #1411800884303626311 message

It's good if it has some complexity to it and makes it satisfying when you get that "a-ha" moment when you figure out your rotations to perfect execution, but when it makes it so hard to understand even the basic concepts, like all the elements in nte and it's interactions are completely alien, makes no sense and the only way to learn is to just bruteforce memorise them

[mild thicket]

I played mongil beta and the story was stupid fun

But apparently the game kind of just dropped its charm

going the usual basic anime story line and dropping the humour

so I didn't bother playing release

[tepid ridge]

I would imagine a lot of issues come from here lol. Changing engine so much is NOT good

[west canopy]

Oh? It's still fun in chapter 3 where I'm at

[west canopy]

Yet it runs much better than wuwa that insisted staying on 4

Not sure if we can say it's just because of that tho

It's not like they're "changing " it. Just updating to latest build

[mild thicket]

I think I read it was around chapter 3 or 4 or something that it just changes

could also just be doom, typical gacha player behaviour

but no clue

[west canopy]

Chapter 3 had a... Very funny unexpected plot twist I really gigled at ngl

Well Ill be concluding the game story soon but so far none of the doom has come true

[mild thicket]

the cat eating the monster and just pooping it out right after had me giggling in the beta

but yeah, interest dropped after reading the story/humour supposedly changes

[west canopy]

Plenty of moments like that yeah. I like how you get more of these than "omg not another exposition dump and wasting time with dialogue bloat" you get in every other gacha, everything here is just poperly paced

Just seeing that I can't believe they can make it that much worse because none of the chinese slop I played comes even close to how much better this was so far

It would be nice if it stays a konosuba-like, which apparently does not, but we'll see

[tepid ridge]

This area was so gorgeous btw, after a bond with a character

[stone bear]

Ok, so how do you setup NTE Reno again?
The image is either extremely blown up or washed out for me for some reason lol
Engine.ini + d3d12.dll Reshade + .addon64 and it should just work?

[tepid ridge]

There’s a guide

It was sent here yesterday

But yeah what you said is the gist of it

Make the ini read only

[tulip kayak]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/discussions/557

[west canopy]

version on github seems outdated, bump to this post anyone using it new version fixes colors #1411800884303626311 message

finally 🙏

minor nitpick question (it doesn't bother me but I wonder): the hue on her portrait still looks different? is this in SDR too?

it seems more similiar to this

it's also interesting her plush toy was same color as her hair before, now with the fix the hair does seem correct. it's just the portrait that looks off

(i think they just messed up the portrait tbh but i didnt check)

[tulip kayak]

portrait hair and ingame hair looks about the same

but intention when i was tuning this was to match game sdr

not portrait

[west canopy]

i think they might have just bumped up saturation on the portrait

i get similiar result to portrait if i do that

[west canopy]

i know, and it's just the portrait so i was wondering if its off in sdr too

yeah it is

it's their messup or i'm color blind

[warm pewter]

Her hair color is different on all her portraits lol

[west canopy]

lmao ok then i think we're done here

btw another question, the color graind luts options and hue shift don't seem to do anything, yet iirc in the very first version it did something?

[warm pewter]

Scene Grading and LUT Sliders doesn't work with Upgrade Path Off I think

[west canopy]

Oh should I turn it back on?

[warm pewter]

No

[west canopy]

Why?

[warm pewter]

Then No HDR

[west canopy]

Ah, so it's tonemapping off native UE HDR not SDR

[stone bear]

Upgrade Path doesn't utilize the native Unreal Engine HDR

[west canopy]

Yeah I just realised 😅

[stone bear]

Upgrade off tonemaps the native UE HDR

[west canopy]

Is that even necessary/always better? We've had a lot of great results working off SDR

[stone bear]

Actually, in what scenarios Upgrade Path is useful?
Seeing as UE has native HDR support already

@dusty girder @tulip kayak

[charred solstice]

This isn't a game with that complex of pbr. It'll probably not be an issue, unless they suddenly overhaul the character models (DNA did exactly that)

you won't be able to notice the slight variation in paths

[west canopy]

mhm, i just like extra options with working slider. i remember those did change hues a little

but i suppose the current implementation we have based off native hdr should be the best one

[charred solstice]

If anything I miss gamma 2.4 more, but 2.2 is fine with some tweaks

[west canopy]

same actually

a lot of blacks on materials are a littlle too gray for me

wait

i think that's fixed too

in pretty sure it is

this was gray before

now it's proper

[charred solstice]

sorta, remember hero models have a custom pass

[west canopy]

100% fixed the problem now i dont have to mess with sliders anymore

it was the only thing that was off

[charred solstice]

for me, the colors are still too washed out, you can tell from the octpus and ice cream shop model

but the game is very finicky

if you grade is slightly off, the image goes wrong, due to highlights and anime girls don't mix

[west canopy]

i never had issue with colors in the world, it was just the characters

[rough ledge]

why when i type 100 on your kofi it automatically changes to 3

lmao

[west canopy]

gameplay related question:

can someone explain how caffee ingredients work from this picture, because I bought 100+ of coconut and beans, and when I click "stock up" i don't see where that went, how does this work? what are the numbers 9/1/2 for??

how do I know how long is the stuff i bought will last? i can't see it from here

and the menu items are shared across your all buildings? you dont have to bring ingredients to each one?

[rough ledge]

oh managed it

[warm pewter]

It just how much it need to last 4/24/72 hrs

[charred solstice]

I mean that looks washed out to me, but it's a tricky thing grade as anime skin tones have very tuned highlights

[west canopy]

compared to how it was before, i think this looks about perfect now

[tulip kayak]

you want to use it whenever possible

[west canopy]

the cafe UX is just bad needs updating. there's no way to tell how long the stocks will last. this is like vitally important stuff that you can't see

[warm pewter]

Currently it just show that its either enough or not enough lol

like for how long?

[stone bear]

Use the SDR->HDR path instead of native HDR?

Is the UE HDR broken?

[tulip kayak]

no use the native hdr path whenever available

the end result is the same

[charred solstice]

The problem with that is, it's intentional. they copied it from a more sophisticated game. i.e the ingredients are shared among recipes. there's technically no "duration" on cafes, it's all about ingredients.

[tulip kayak]

but you can use trash generation if you patch the native HDR path

[warm pewter]

In the end it doesn't matter anyway

[tulip kayak]

native hdr is potentially more stable due to not having to mess with resource upgrades

[charred solstice]

you just buy more ingredients, or the auto will match the ingredient upto the hour you toggle

there's no "waste"

[vital knoll]

what does Upgrade Path do? is it being On make FrameGen work?

[charred solstice]

NTE is actually too hard working in their design(copy) of the gameplay. A lot of it has way more depth then nessasary, and there will be those that find it fun

aka the driving mini game is more crazy then actual need for speed

[tulip kayak]

upgrade path is basically how we do it in most games with no native hdr support or can't output hdr

you can patch the shaders the game uses, but the game resources are still SDR, upgrade path upgrades that to resources that are compatible with HDR

think midfield

[charred solstice]

even the stupid Majong mini game is stupidly in depth...

[tulip kayak]

upgrade path off means we're not upgrading resources anymore

because we don't need to do that when the game can already output hdr-compatible resources

and just need the shaders to be fixed/rewritten

[west canopy]

it's actually event minigames disguised integrated into main game. typical gacha games would have these cut into micro pieces and spread out during the patch cycle as "limited time" fomo events but instead here you just do it on your own pace

we don't have shitty event mini games in this one if you noticed

it is the game

[vital knoll]

i see, does reshade tooltips per slider support gazillion texts?
i feel like those things should be included in the tooltips when u hover each sliders so more people can know what slider really does, like Upgrade Path

[rough ledge]

i need cheat mode for the racing quest

[tulip kayak]

nuh uh

[vital knoll]

oof

[tulip kayak]

explaining this to end users =/ 💀

its why its behind the advanced settings

[charred solstice]

we do have events on the roadmap for patch 1.0, not sure what they'll actually be though.
But these mini games are all obviously clones of other games, except for the fact, they're putting a lot of effort into the clone part

[west canopy]

its same as seen in other gachas (includig ToF) but I really like the fact it's part of the main game now, it changes everything

[rough ledge]

i love that they actually put effort into celshading to make it looks anime

[west canopy]

also FYI if anyone wondered it doesn't matter what lifeskill activity you do - they all give you the same amount of Fon per stamina used

so do whathever you like and the only bonus is achivements

fishing remains my favoruite

[rough ledge]

good morning, it's a good day for fishing init

[west canopy]

no you're suppose to say **'mornin! nice day for fishing, isn't it?! HUE-HUE! **

[charred solstice]

usually mini games do not try this hard to be so deep feature as their clone OG. the cafe mini game did not need to have an entire ingredient micromangment system, nor a popularity micromanagement, nor a hero persona system, etc, etc, etc....they kinda went ballz deep in copying the OGs like they wanted a full game.

[rough ledge]

and you're supposed to say huh hah

[vital knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/vldl-gmornin-nice-day-for-fishin-viva-la-dirt-league-baelin-gif-18170759

[tulip kayak]

@vital knoll

[west canopy]

btw they have their own nice day for fishing game it costs less than 1$ and its kinda fun

[stone bear]

When would you want to use Upgrade Path though when UE has native HDR support?
Are there cases when it breaks something and it's a fallback?

[rough ledge]

time to vibe code autofish

[stone bear]

Cause it's there for a reason

[tulip kayak]

its there so you can fix sdr only games

there are also games where you can't output hdr

or games where the devs are doing something different in SDR that they don't do in hdr path

for example nte

i had to boot the game up in the SDR path to grab a reference for the color tuning

[tulip kayak]

if you do the hdr ini you won't get a correct reference

[charred solstice]

Well the SDR upgrade path will also allow sdr monitors to use HDR10. But alas NTE fps burns your frame gen to the ground

[stone bear]

So mostly a development tool or for edge cases when the HDR path doesn't include something the SDR does?

[tulip kayak]

well no

both will output to HDR10

so that makes no difference in this case

swapchain is hdr10 in both

[stone bear]

I think I get it now

[charred solstice]

UE will no allow hdr output on swpchain for sdr monitors… I tried a lot sad face

[stone bear]

Why would you want a HDR swapchain on an SDR monitor?

[charred solstice]

Though I can do it if I output to a hdr then drag the open game to sdr

[stone bear]

For 10bit colour?

[tulip kayak]

oh you mean trying to force it while your desktop in sdr

[charred solstice]

HDR10 gammut

[stone bear]

Yeah but your monitor won't be able to display this gamut anyway

[charred solstice]

It looks quite a bit better just sdr highlights

[stone bear]

Most of the time HDR on an SDR monitor just looks washed out

[charred solstice]

I’ve done it, looks find just Terrible highlights

It’s like if you set your Reno settings to 100 nits

It’s not bad better then sdr, I even have some YT videos of it to see how it looks on real hdr

[tulip kayak]

time to upgrade

i've been recommending people to get the $250-$300 minileds just to get their foot in the door for hdr

[charred solstice]

Oh I have, just I play with my sdr side a bit to experiment

[tulip kayak]

nice

what do you have now

[warm pewter]

Even HDR on a display without Local Dimming is 💀

MiniLEDs is 🔥

[charred solstice]

the stupidly over priced asus pg32ucdm3

[tulip kayak]

nice

[warm pewter]

Can't wait for Micro RGB to hit Desktop Monitors

OLED Lifespan is just too short for me

Two of my OLED TV just died with-in 4 years

[vital knoll]

VA MiniLED has side view color shift problem but if you just use it normally, it's fine
IPS MiniLED also does bloom when viewing from side due to nature of IPS

MiniLED good entry to HDR (though small highlights are weak depending on monitor LD Algo)

[charred solstice]

depends on your region.

miniled monitors all but dead in the NA, they even demo models at ces threy have no plans to sell

[vital knoll]

oh that's shitty situation

[charred solstice]

OLED has dominated the NA market and prices reflect it

intro OLEDS are now going into sub 500 usd range, it's bonkers

[warm pewter]

Damn
Here we can get MiniLED Monitors as low as $200

[charred solstice]

I think the last sale, OLED droped to 300s usd

[tepid ridge]

Man i just logged in and they gifted me a S tier character, picked the angel lady. They truly want to keep me playing this mfs

[charred solstice]

if you mean mongil, they're all panty shots

[tepid ridge]

No I mean NTE

[charred solstice]

oh you mean the biker

[tepid ridge]

I entered to test this cause I knew it had haptic support and I got bamboozled https://github.com/awalol/DS5Dongle

[tepid ridge]

Yep

[warm pewter]

Juicy Biker

[charred solstice]

she doesn't feel mommy as much as our information seller gun user...now that's gyatt. even her model says "my gyatt is the best gyatt you'll ever feast your eyes on gyatt"

[tepid ridge]

The one that has a big pamela hat?

[charred solstice]

ya, spin her model to back, they clearly want that bounce so to say

[tepid ridge]

That was the first character I got

I´m not ashamed to admit

[warm pewter]

Even a pudding doesn't bounce that much

-# Not complaining though

[charred solstice]

it's a game that knows what it wants to be~

they don't need no pumpkin shorts, or hot pants, or transparency stenciling

you get the full deprivity

[west canopy]

But it's still adding completely unnecessary safety shorts under skirts, which is something I don't understand

If big bouncy honkadonkas are ok with open cleaveages and sideboobs and underboobs and swimsuits are ok, why add long safety shorts under every skirt in the game?

[warm pewter]

The panties are in full view in NTE
What do you mean?

[west canopy]

Really? Well it's not on Nana she has the super safe shorts almost as long as the skirt

[warm pewter]

• One Shorts on Nana
• "every skirt in the game"
  

[west canopy]

Pretty sure I've seen it on other characters and npcs, but it's been a thing that's been bothering me its something that hoyo has been doing since zzz beta when they nerfed Anby this way

[warm pewter]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/NevernessToEverness/comments/1t2m9fz/i_love_this_game/

[west canopy]

What? Are we playing the same game?

[stone bear]

New OLEDs have 5year warranty

So it's great

[warm pewter]

Ah yes the early adopter taxes

[stone bear]

Burn-in included btw

they are pretty confident about their tech

[warm pewter]

Damn 🔥

[tulip kayak]

unless you're gonna use the same screen for 10 years

by the time oled shows "noticeable" degradation

[west canopy]

nana has safety shorts that has to be from beta @warm pewter

[tulip kayak]

you are goign to buy a new one alrdy

[warm pewter]

Thats cool
Old one always never live more that 3-4 Years

With just 2 years warranty

[west canopy]

oh... of course it's a paid skin

[tepid ridge]

Why does that bother you lol

[tepid ridge]

Oof this is kinda creepy lol

[tepid ridge]

This is even creepier lmao

[shell igloo]

"i love looking up skirts of early teen-looking characters"

[tepid ridge]

Why do gachas do this man, isnt it enough with the adult women with big boobas

Does every character have to be sexualized even when its disgusting to do so

[west canopy]

That's your opinion. It is just ruining the asthethics. The absolute territory and panty shots are like one of the most typical anime tropes and for a game that really wants to make you feel like you're literally inside one, it's a good thing it doesn't shy away from that. I still think it ruins the asthethics of her default skin which is my favourite, the shorts are just too long

It's not so much about seeing the panties (thats more like a meme) but ruining the asthethic of the thigh area with the skirt

This was done pretty badly in the new Tales of the Sky 1st remake where her shorts are longer than the skirt and it just looks weird. The best mod imho was the one that shortened the shorts, not removed

[tepid ridge]

Bruh

It’s just some pants

It truly is not that deep

[west canopy]

I take this very seriously

[tepid ridge]

And more so, it’s a KIDS pants

[west canopy]

Well that's again your opinion, I don't see it that way. It's fine to disagree

Skirts with safety shorts are a common thing, it's not a kids thing

[tepid ridge]

Yeah I’m not telling you what to think obviously. I just find it creepy tbh (not a personal attack, just my honest opinion)

Stellar blade level creepy when they complained about censorship in outfits but worse cause it’s related to kids lol

[west canopy]

Yeah calling every anime enthusiast a creep, enjoying a media that is always threading that line, surely makes sense

[west canopy]

Wut I also don't understand that

[tepid ridge]

I enjoy anime and find how they treat kids creepy. It’s not incompatible

And again not a personal attack

[west canopy]

Yeah that's ok I get it, it just the way things are, we all have our opinions

[tepid ridge]

“OH NO WE SEE LESS OF HER BOOBS NOW FUCK CENSORSHIP”

That’s what happened with stellar blade if I remember correctly

[west canopy]

Oh right

[tepid ridge]

They made some outfits less revealing and some people went insane lol

[west canopy]

Well that was kind of a kneejerk reaction to "hopefully this doesn't continue and they censor even more because Sony will make them"

[glossy cipher]

exactly, those reactions don't exist in a vacuum
this was after 100s of news about Asian managers/CEOs/etc. saying how they need to accustom to Western sensibilities, with many examples of remasters and co feeling that in form of cuts or changes

[west canopy]

Exactly what I was getting at, yeah

[glossy cipher]

people used to joke about the American bible belt being so puritan and the many censorships that happened because of it
now we have companies dictating these things worldwide and we have weirdos hyping that up, when it fits their special sensibilities

[west canopy]

we got to this point where we are because pushing dei was beneficial for the careers of boomer ceos

[tired sparrow]

nanally panties are based

[digital oak]

[coarse axle]

Goonology is in session, class

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-salieri-antonio-salieri-amadeus-salieri-gif-12095716088864804173

[tulip kayak]

[west canopy]

the villa in this location (Green Wall Slope) feels almost too beatiful to be true, you have to go check it out

[vital knoll]

the real highlight there is the blinding sun, looks gud in there

[digital oak]

yeah i like when the sun is blinding in hdr, a lot of games look weird with dim sun

[dusty girder]

@stone bear older games, like UE4 games; where you dont need framgen or anything

also some early UE5 games

newer UE5 games usually have a native hdr option in-game

which is nice because we can just hijack that

@twilit lantern the lutbuilders are already in the mod, just upgrade R10G10B10A2_UNORM to Output Size and it should work

[twilit lantern]

Thank you for the hint I will try that later

[dusty girder]

the new_ lutbuilders are aces only lutbuilders, they dont run

I need to work on the ignore list

so they stop showing up as new

[west canopy]

started using a second reno profile with game brightness=80 for the dialogue cutscenes as characters just get much too bright during these closeups

actually same problem in ZZZ dialogue scenes too

character lights?

[coarse axle]

dafuq

we got black haired Hiyuki

@tulip kayak explain

[mild thicket]

They do glow a bit

[dusty girder]

thats just unreal engine being unreal engine, shits bright a.f

train those eye muscles

[coarse axle]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[mild thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[west canopy]

I like it bright when fights are going on but during indoor conversations and these camera closeups all the times yeah its uh yeah

[west canopy]

uh yeah he fixed the character luts if you missed that

[mild thicket]

I dislike how stiff dialogue is

[west canopy]

you can notice that if you go into any dark corner, it's like you're radioactive there's a light around you

[mild thicket]

Watching ZZZ stuff just makes me sad

[dusty girder]

thats called a hero light

lots of games do that

[west canopy]

yeah

[dusty girder]

where your character always has an invisible light source around them

kind of like a flash light

[west canopy]

this might be more noticable now when games have RT?

so it's spilling over?

[dusty girder]

no idea

hero lights are usually ass in hdr

[mild thicket]

I think wuwa does the same but wino fixed it recently

[dusty girder]

not that hard to tune down, they're usually a seperate shader

and you just reduce the output

so its a quarter of what it is

[coarse axle]

The issue is gachas don't run a separate hero light

They stencil mask out the character

From AO, GI ect

Then apply their own slop lighting just for the characters

[dusty girder]

oof

I know this game runs 2 UE lutbuilders per frame

and one of the lutbuilders is for the world, and the other is just for characters

[west canopy]

it's super bad in any ZZZ conversation scenes if you've ever seen those in native hdr it's eye searing

[dusty girder]

the character lutbuilder is a simple s curve

toe, linear segment, shoulder

so I had forge just fuck with ue filmic params in that one shader

until it matched their curve

[coarse axle]

Spiwar you mean

[dusty girder]

their curve doesnt compress to much

[coarse axle]

[dusty girder]

yea spiwar mybad

its mostly a toe

[coarse axle]

Right

[dusty girder]

and then a fancy saturate

for that clipped/vibrant anime look

honestly whatever they did here is 100x better than what they did in wuwa

with 500 custom lut sample shaders

here you just fix 1 lutbuilder and thats it

[west canopy]

some color grading adjustments i did to get rid of the glow and crush, just easier to look at

[dusty girder]

the reason they did what they did is because

they're selling you these 40,000$ waifus

they want to make sure they're the focus of the scene

[west canopy]

i think it's just an oversight as it wasn't built for HDR

so making everything hdr on top of what they built can sometimes result in this

[dusty girder]

I'll add a slider that can reduce average brightness a bit better

than game nits

it was on my to-do list for a while

[west canopy]

I just use different profiles for this reason, because my exploration/combat profile goes all the way and I want it bright and popping, just doesn't work here

anyone knows where do i get more of these?

[visual ice]

Go one menu back and bottom left there is a icon

Forgot what it's called

[west canopy]

the coin stuff? that's not giving enough

[mild thicket]

There's a place to use stamina for it

[mild thicket]

Share pls

[tepid ridge]

Man the camera judder is insane in this game

How the fuck did they botch it so bad. I hope they patch is asap

If you move without turning the camera = smooth

Turn the camera = judder/stutter fest

[visual ice]

You can give this a try and see if it improves it at all
https://github.com/EightySixK/Neverness-To-Everness-FPS-Unlocker

[west canopy]

i suppose this is not needed for controllers?

[tepid ridge]

Huh. Worth a shot. Thanks!

[tepid ridge]

I am using controller. Don’t you get noticeably judder on camera movement? Specially in the open world

[west canopy]

eh it's just slightl adjustment to highlights, contrast and shadows, you can tune it to your liking for sure but i used 48/45/55 with game brightness 100

[tepid ridge]

I think it might be related to culling in those areas. When you turn the camera the game shits itself as it culls stuff

[west canopy]

i dont really feel it?

i normally dont turn camera this fast but just for the sake of it

what does camera movement correction do in the settings tho, maybe try toggling that?

[tepid ridge]

For me it feels much worse. It noticeably stutters when I move the camera

Just installed that mod imma try

[tired sparrow]

are you using FG?

[tepid ridge]

Nah still terrible

[tepid ridge]

I am. It’s probably that tbh

But it’s not FGs fault. It’s probably a bad implementation

[tired sparrow]

if you are cpu limited with no fps cap then it's not gonna be great even with vrr

[tepid ridge]

I mean I’m getting 70-80fps in the city

I can’t limit much here xD

But it’s not that imo. If it was that I would also lag by running forward. But it’s only when I move the camera

It’s like it’s not interpolating well with FG or something

[tired sparrow]

not necessarily, camera movement is much more resource intensive

[west canopy]

hmm i'm at 60-90 so 70 average no fg, only stutter i sometimes get is what seems to be some new shader comp, its rare, camera movement is fine. 5800X3D

[tepid ridge]

Yeah it’s probably the FG

[west canopy]

60s is like the worst moments in combat and it doesnt stutter

70s with ocasional judder does sound like FG issues

[tepid ridge]

Yep. They need to update the streamlines

[tired sparrow]

70 real FPS?

or 70 with FG

[tepid ridge]

I would bet my ass it’s that. Or just cpu perf

[tepid ridge]

This

The open city kills my fps

[tired sparrow]

so 35 real fps

[tepid ridge]

The NPCs specifically

[tired sparrow]

cpu limited at 35 fps is actually over

[west canopy]

nah more like 40-45 fg takes a few but yeah too low

if you could check your 1% lows would be telling

[tepid ridge]

Yeah I’m around that. But it’s fine in all games. Just played pragmata with similar base fps ( a bit more maybe) and no issues

[tepid ridge]

69-78

[west canopy]

without fg i mean

that's when you get the judder in fg

[tired sparrow]

yeah but there is a big difference between being cpu limited and gpu limited

[tepid ridge]

Yeah… it might just be my 13600k can handle this games npc for some reason

Absurdly unoptimized

[west canopy]

would disagree it's unoptimised 😅 have you tried reducing traffic?

[tepid ridge]

It’s at medium. I might try low lol

[west canopy]

just to test yeah

[tepid ridge]

There’s a lot of people complaining about perf issues online so… dunno

[west canopy]

im on high no judder

[tired sparrow]

13600k was mid-range when it came out

i think it's reletively low end now

for unreal engine 5 games too heh rip cpu

[west canopy]

btw anyone figured out what the game is trying to tell you here? why are the numbers in red if I set to 72h as if I don't have enough? i bought a 100 of each, and it's enough for 24h but not 72?

[tired sparrow]

try a 40fps cap

[west canopy]

so you need like 8 flour per 24h or 72h? but i have 100?

[tepid ridge]

I just tried very low and no luck

[tepid ridge]

With no FG u mean?

[tired sparrow]

yes

[tepid ridge]

I ain’t playing this at 40fps

I rather drop to RT

[tired sparrow]

just try it and see if you get the judder

that you are talking about

[tepid ridge]

Just disabling framegen gets rid of it

Just tested

[tired sparrow]

fsr?

[tepid ridge]

Noup. Nvidia

It’s the FG implementation. It’s just bad

[tired sparrow]

it's fine for me

[tepid ridge]

It legit feels better at 40-50fps without FG than with lol

[tired sparrow]

well yeah you aren't supposed to use FG below 60fps

nvidia and amd basically tell you not to do that

but you can get away with like 50

[dusty girder]

I've played FG with a base 50 fps

and its fine

nvidia's fg

if that matters

[tired sparrow]

yeah 50 is playable but below that

[tepid ridge]

Oh wait up now I reenabled FG and it’s fine?

[tired sparrow]

and cpu limited

[dusty girder]

ofc the more real frames you have the better but

[tepid ridge]

That’s just fake

[dusty girder]

50 is fine

[tepid ridge]

40+ is fine. Been playing like this for a long time without issues

[tired sparrow]

what do you mean fake lol, it literally functions worse at lower framerates

more latency and artifacts

[tepid ridge]

Yeah but it’s not “you need 60 base to use it”

[tired sparrow]

yeah it's not recommended for a good reason

but like i said you can get away with like 50

it's too bad at 40 for me

[mild thicket]

Speakkng of jitter, anyelse have it on some ui elements?

[tired sparrow]

yes the stupid quest marker is always like 30 fps

[tepid ridge]

Bad in what sense. Latency?

[mild thicket]

I thought it was frame gen but no

[tepid ridge]

For me at 40+ it feels good. 50+ feels perfect

[tired sparrow]

yeah and there is artifacts, if you're used to it more power to you

it can understandably be preferable to just the pure choppyness of 40fps and below

i'm guessing you probably use controller

[mild thicket]

You're using full?

[tepid ridge]

Usually

[tepid ridge]

Yeah

I guess I’ll just put up with the judder in the open world till they optimize a bit more. It’s clearly something wrong with the game itself

Im not playing under different conditions or fps than in other open world games that don’t present these issues for me

[mild thicket]

With cinematic?

Preset

I tried but my 7900xt isn't a fan

[tired sparrow]

the different condition is you are using full rt with a 13600k at 35 fps with fg

in an open world UE5 npc party

[tepid ridge]

Yep

[tepid ridge]

I do this in cyberpunk with no issues. Dunno

[tired sparrow]

yeah and you are likely gpu limited

in cyberpunk

[tepid ridge]

If this game is more CPU limited than cyberpunk then that’s a big optimization issue imo

What I mean is I know it’s probably the cpu but it’s cause the game is not properly optimized

I could probably brute force it with a 9800x3d but that’s not really the answer

[tired sparrow]

i think you are just expecting smoothness in an environment where it's just not going to happen regardless of optimization

and your comparisons to other games being in "similar scenarios" are actually not as similar as you think

[tepid ridge]

This stutters are happening even when turning full Rt off and just using normal RT and very low crowds. It’s a game issue

[tired sparrow]

so in that scenario you get stutters when panning your camera

but not moving around?

[tepid ridge]

Correct

It’s a culling issue I believe like I said

Game probably has mega aggressive culling

[tired sparrow]

do these stutters show up on a frame time graph

[tepid ridge]

Slightly yeah

1/2ms up

[tired sparrow]

only 1/2 ms running unlocked?

sounds good

[tepid ridge]

Around that I would say yeah

It’s not a full stutter. It’s just judder

[tired sparrow]

do you have vrr?

[tepid ridge]

Even with FG off I can feel it

[tepid ridge]

Yep

I think FG just makes the issue worse

[warm pewter]

Are we playing the same game 💀

[tepid ridge]

Without FG it’s pretty decent

I might do normal RT without FG which easily holds above 60 for me

[warm pewter]

Reseted avg frame

[tired sparrow]

honestly what you are describing

[tepid ridge]

Camera judder. It is what it is it has no other description

[tired sparrow]

just sounds like it can be fixed with a fps cap

[tepid ridge]

I can try

[tired sparrow]

running unlocked and cpu limited in pretty much any game

is not something i ever do

because it just isn't going to be smooth even with vrr

unless it's some super stable linear game with nothing really going on

[tepid ridge]

Yeah I’m rarely cpu limited so that might be it

[tired sparrow]

what's your gpu?

[warm pewter]

A perfect product placement for X3D CPUs lol

[tepid ridge]

4080

[tired sparrow]

nice

[tepid ridge]

Caping to 60 does seem to make it smoother

[tired sparrow]

i would say that your cpu is definitely lagging behind a 4080

[tepid ridge]

Yeah seems fixed

[tired sparrow]

your poor 4080 wants to run faster

[tepid ridge]

It’s pretty on par

It’s just a very few select games that kill the CPU

Funny that this is one of em lol

[warm pewter]

Did you tried lower traffic settings?

It does reduce CPU Usage quite a bit

[tepid ridge]

The other one that comes to mind is Witcher 3 dx12

[tepid ridge]

It’s on very low rn and no difference

Only the cap fixed it

[tired sparrow]

modern games honestly lean more cpu limited these days because you can always just scale the graphics and use dlss or something

[tepid ridge]

Yeahhh. I want to get a 9800x3d at some point

Maybe this year if I can

And next year or in 2 I’ll upgrade gpu to a 6090

[warm pewter]

💸

[tepid ridge]

Not really lol

The 6090 is a hope, but I might have to settle with a 6080

[warm pewter]

5080 already cost more than twice previous gen lol

6080 gonna be 💀

[tepid ridge]

Not really

My 4080 was the same price or even more than the 5080 lol

I just want the 90 version cause it doesn’t loose value with the years and it’s easier to resell when swapping

[tired sparrow]

if i was telling someone to build a pc nowadays i would actually tell them to spend a bit more on the cpu and get a cheaper gpu if they are on a limited budget, it used to be the opposite where you just focus on gpu mainly

[warm pewter]

When 3080 used to cost $600

[tepid ridge]

With PT that might be the move now yeah

Tho CPUs aren’t really that expensive compared to GPUs

A 9800x3d + mobo rn is like 600€

Or slightly more

[warm pewter]

Check previous gens MSRP Its literally almost double

[tepid ridge]

Which is still half of a gpu still

[warm pewter]

Guess we live in different planet lol

[tepid ridge]

How much is a 5080 now?

[warm pewter]

Here its $1,700

[tepid ridge]

Oh yeah. USA lol

You’re paying tariff prices

[warm pewter]

Ah I'm Asian btw

[tired sparrow]

nah it's just the ram situation

[tepid ridge]

Here it’s 1.2K

Less than the 1.3K that I paid for my 4080

[warm pewter]

Still $200 above MSRP

[tepid ridge]

Cause the MSRP is for the founders. Other brands are always a bit higher

Gpu prices haven’t gone up in Europe

[warm pewter]

A bit...

🥀

[tired sparrow]

some vendors offer a msrp model

[tepid ridge]

Yeah, but it’s rare

[tired sparrow]

i got my 5090 for msrp before everything went to shit

[warm pewter]

Damn 🔥

[tepid ridge]

Noice

[tired sparrow]

gigabyte windforce was dropping consistently for msrp at best buy

[warm pewter]

Here a 5090 Cost $4,300

[tired sparrow]

in fall 2025

can you even get any new gpus for msrp

anywhere

right now

[dusty girder]

I added a new slider called Blend Factor, you can use it to reduce the average brightness

try it out in the gacha game

[tired sparrow]

is that built off of spiwar's last release?

for nte?

[dusty girder]

it has all the NTE stuff

lower = dimmer
higher = brighter

highlights should stay nice and colorful though

[warm pewter]

I suppose this is for uncooking the hero lights right?

[tepid ridge]

How does it differ from game brightness?

[balmy sleet]

you can use it to reduce the average brightness

[dusty girder]

its different from game brightness

you can use both of them

just try it out

[balmy sleet]

kk will try

[dusty girder]

if the game is too bright, you can set blend factor to 0, and thats perfectly fine

before I had the value hard-coded, but some games are just too bright, and since its a universal mod; figured I'd expose a slider

[tepid ridge]

Yeah capped it’s def smooth. First time I ever encounter this. I need to cap to 70 tho for a stable cap 💀

I guess I could drop to normal RT and cap to 85 or so instead

[warm pewter]

The game will actually become more CPU Bound if you reduce graphic config
-# Same goes to resolution

[tired sparrow]

most settings yeah

but the RT is actually really cpu intensive

[tepid ridge]

Yep. PT hammers the cpu

Conclusion: I need a 9800x3d ASAP

[warm pewter]

The only correct solution

[tired sparrow]

it's worth it i'm ngl

[tepid ridge]

Cause I can totally push decent frame rates still with the 4080 but clearly the 13600k is not keeping up in open worlds. If a gacha game is causing this it’s a sign

[dusty girder]

ya'll trying

[tepid ridge]

I almost pulled the trigger in January but decided to wait

[warm pewter]

oh the infamous 13th gen 💀

[tired sparrow]

i always had like mid range cpu in the past and i didn't realize

just how much smoother your frametimes are on high end cpu

even at the same fps

the better cpu will just have so much better %1 lows and deviation between frames

[tepid ridge]

Yeahhh I know

Been meaning to upgrade cpu for a while

I don’t know if I should wait for a new gen at this point tho

[warm pewter]

I'm still on AM4 5800X3D
The game run great on it

Avg 50% Usage

[tired sparrow]

if i'm not mistaken i think AM5 still has some life left

and Zen 6 will be on AM5

10800X3D or whatever

[warm pewter]

DDR5 Pricing is literally the only thing stopping me from moving on lol

[tired sparrow]

yeah it's fked

5800X3D is the goat though

[tepid ridge]

Damn it’s insane how smooth is now with a cap

[tired sparrow]

🤤 .

[peak galleon]

roll on 2029

[tepid ridge]

Shame that it has to be 70 which causes some artifacts and more latency than desired but it’s decent

[tepid ridge]

At 4K?

[tired sparrow]

are you using RR?

[warm pewter]

1440p

[warm pewter]

Nope it look worse for me

[tired sparrow]

normal RT mode is honestly not that much worse

[warm pewter]

Preset L is better at denoising that RR for some reason

[tepid ridge]

Reflections are cut in half and diffuse GI cooked. Dunno if it’s worth the extra 10/20fps

[tepid ridge]

I am

[tired sparrow]

only an extra 10-20 thats unfortunate, i get a pretty big boost

[vital knoll]

i know all gacha games has pre-rendered video cutscenes but does NTE also have it? can auto hdr featurs be implemented for UE-Extended? like how spiwar does with WUWA?

[warm pewter]

it does have some but most are realtime

[tired sparrow]

i think you mean vs the default denoiser

[tepid ridge]

I mean for it to be stable. I can probably gain 30fps

[warm pewter]

I disabled them

[tepid ridge]

But meh. 70fps feels good enough with controller and looks great. I’ll just do this

And save up for the 9800x3d xd

[warm pewter]

Default Denoiser do fight and boiling with DLSS

[tired sparrow]

RR with the depth aware RCAS that optiscaler has looks miles better than preset L, at 1440p at least

without RR it's just extremely noisy and grainy and boiling everywhere

[tulip kayak]

Look mom two cakes

[dusty girder]

@vital knoll can it be done? sure

probably needs a seperate mod at that point, since I dont plan on adding auto-hdr videos to ue-extended

outside of being too much work to maintain, I'm not a fan of auto-hdr videos

[tulip kayak]

Me matching the sdr blsck crush

[warm pewter]

Here an old video I took

[tulip kayak]

And theb sloppers going right ahead to uncrush that

[dusty girder]

@tulip kayak try this out in a super high APL scene

its already commited to github

[tulip kayak]

Before the char fix you hadnone of these problems btw

[dusty girder]

lower = reduce APL

higher = increase APL

its not a new feature, its just I exposed the slider; before the strength was hardcoded

[tired sparrow]

did you force RR preset E

also compare metals and other rough surfaces

[warm pewter]

Yes

[balmy sleet]

I would like not note Hathor can drive motorcycles so you dont have to look at the mc when driving around

[tired sparrow]

i suggest other test scenarios

[dusty girder]

does she have safety shorts

atleast its not as bad as yugioh censhorship, we get safety cleavage

[balmy sleet]

Its not safety shorts its her outfit

[warm pewter]

[dusty girder]

uncensored vs. censored

konami doesnt like cleavage

[warm pewter]

NTE doesn't seem to censor anything so far

[dusty girder]

whats funny about yugioh's censorship is

the client is world wide; one client for all regions

if you're playing from japan or asia

you get uncensored artwork

if you're playing from anywhere else, you get the censored artwork

[glossy cipher]

it goes into the cleavage... geezus

[dusty girder]

yea konami is scared of putting cleavage on cards in the non-asian regions

if you google yugioh card censorship, there are entire books

[dusty girder]

but yea @warm pewter @tired sparrow @west canopy I'm legit curious in if this helps with the sun and other high brightness areas

[warm pewter]

Increasing it does improve detail on high brightness area for me

While reducing does the opposite

[dusty girder]

you dont want to increase it

I mean you can if you want

a better way to increase highlight detail would be to increase "per channel peak"

[warm pewter]

I see

[dusty girder]

or swapping over to safe grade, and setting max channel peak to 10

[warm pewter]

So it is best to leave at neutral?

[dusty girder]

that will blow out less

leave what at neutral?

blend factor?

the idea is to lower it

to reduce APL

or increase it if you want

[warm pewter]

[dusty girder]

all depends on the game

sometimes games just have a crazy high average brightness, so you'd want to lower it

[warm pewter]

Blend Factor 0

Blend Factor 50

Blend Factor 100

[dusty girder]

thats one bright game

if 0 blend factor barely dimmed it

[west canopy]

nice and is this based on latest spiwars version that includes character lut fixes? that one was about 10 MB

[warm pewter]

Yes

[west canopy]

nana above looks fine so i suppose so

[dusty girder]

well all of that is built into my mod

ue-extended is all .. one mod

the fixs get merged

[west canopy]

will try it out ty

[west canopy]

try it in interior scenes #1411800884303626311 message

[warm pewter]

Same behavior with outdoor scene

The game still looks great so I'll leave it at default

[tired sparrow]

@warm pewter

this is way more noticable everywhere

[warm pewter]

Yeah its boiling hard

[tired sparrow]

RR off and then on

how do you play without RR lol

[dusty girder]

guess I need to see wu kong

or set a stronger lower bound

[tired sparrow]

i don't walk up to glass and run side to side

so that RR ghosting isn't as much of a problem as this

[warm pewter]

The glass thing is just a worse case

[warm pewter]

That why I said its weird lol usually its the other way around

[dusty girder]

I remember when RR just came out

and cyberpunk had it

if you twirled your sword in a dark area

it would ghost like crazy

sadge that its still broken

after all this time

[tired sparrow]

it's not broken

the video is sent is RR off

and then turning it on later

which fixes the terrible denoising

[warm pewter]

i could see

[tired sparrow]

it's still too soft compared to dlss 4.5

and still has some ghosting

but it's the best we have for RT denoising in games right now

[warm pewter]

For the record my video both have default denoiser disabled via engine.ini