Unreal Engine

[west canopy]

idk why i got the impression it's all wishy washy on my end

[rough ledge]

is this latest version for NTE

[tulip kayak]

no its the latest version for NTR

[west canopy]

10k nits lock-on pin is intentional? 💀

[delicate ferry]

not sure if I'm doing something wrong but is it normal to have 10000 plus files after LUT dumping? Trying to added LUTs for Invincible VS.

[tulip kayak]

map location where this happens

in case anyone asks about the character menus not being hdr again

[tulip kayak]

1. yes that is intentional
2. no it won't be fixed

[west canopy]

and the lockon pin 10k is only for the target dummy? 👀

[tulip kayak]

lock on 10k is a missing shader

[mild thicket]

will it burn a hole through my screen

[balmy sleet]

no lol

[west canopy]

happens elsewehere as well as this camera frame

[tulip kayak]

dont give a fuck

deal with it

nte - fix 10k ui lock on reticle

[delicate ferry]

Invincible VS dump done with renodx-devkit

[indigo plank]

You’re using the devkit which dumps all shaders

Use the UE generic or extended addon, toggle advanced settings, and at the bottom there will be a slider for “Dump Lutbuilders”. Enable that, restart the game, and play for a bit, (go to different stages, etc.) and they’ll be dumped to a folder called “renodx”

[stone bear]

didn't have this issue on my end tbh

played on my LG G5 yesterday

but also on an older release, with text being 10k nits

[stone bear]

why so mad..

[mild thicket]

that's just cat

[covert moon]

Good taste in TVs

[west canopy]

Anyone else playing NTE on home theathre and noticing their audio mix for home theathre/dolby atmos is... off?

[tulip kayak]

the game's audio mix is ass

[west canopy]

I get almost no bass using these mixes (and I have a very beefy setup) but changing settings to "desktop stereo" its bassy and punchy again - including the missing 20hz frequencies... Which where totally not meant for desktop, but they're missing in home theatre

Yeah. And I know these should be just dynamic ranges, but something feels wrong with the mix for the hifi, its just flat and weak

It's like it's meant to send the low end to the LFE but it's not getting there, when you pick the home theatre mix

Everyting up to 80hz is flat out neuterised, this just can't be right. Sounds much more normal on any other preset but home theathre, and this ain't my first home theatre game, I noticed right away something is very off with the audio mix. Sounds better on just desktop stereo

[glossy cipher]

sounds to me like the mixes might be... mixed up!
Does the Home Theatre mix make you think in any other way that it is the big mix? If not then it really just sounds like it was swapped by mistake

[dusty girder]

@tulip kayak merged your pr

[west canopy]

Surround is definetely working, but it just deletes all the bass for some reason. It's hard to judge dynamic range because it moves a lot of the sound to surrounds, sometimes one feels narrower sometimes the other. But overall the desktop stereo or even TV mix sound much better, hifi/dolby are just cut off from any impact

[tulip kayak]

ty

can u tldr what handleuicompositing do

Ill check it l8r but I feel like i might need sth later from it

[dusty girder]

its only for the composite shader

which is the last shader

for the game render and all that

linearizes the game render and ui, then gamma corrects

and then does pq encode or scrgb encode

its not used for standard ui shaders

but only the composite shader

also lilium rcas and reno grain

and tonemap under ui I guess

basically its a re-write of the composite shader with more features

[charred solstice]

on pc it's ok with doby atmos mode, I think they goofed on what devices the mastering was tested on.

generally speaking I always have to tweak it since i'm 3ft from the speakers

[mild thicket]

the audio in general is p awful imo

which is a shame

[charred solstice]

speak of, a bit, i'm going to spend some time investigating the mix in UE.

I'm still too poor to buy the collab tracks in game.

[west canopy]

It was never this studio's strong suit yeah. Can't compare to how much oomph audio in zzz has, and even Mongril beats it how much more crunchy and polished it sounds

[charred solstice]

If the investor leaks are true, NTE's budget is around 40-60mil.

it's actually impressive for that budget

definitely isn't investing in better audio mastering

[delicate ferry]

it doesn't seem to be working, I'm using UE extended addon with “Dump Lutbuilders” on multiple different stages for half an hour but no renodx folder with dump was created 😞

[mild thicket]

seems they spent it all on visuals

world would feel so much more immersive with better audio so I'm hoping they work on that

cars are one the worst examples, they sound soooooooooooooo bad

[charred solstice]

they should, though from the 1st survey....it's not on their radar, or at least they're oblivious to it (typical hotta weebs). NTE has broken the record it seems with a 75% PC-console/mobile split...endfield was already crazy with a 60% PC-console/mobile split, and wuwa was also quite high.

It's crazy to not invest in better fidelity when most of your paying customers are not listening off a 2watt speaker.

[dusty girder]

is the NTE mod finally gud

did spiwar cook

[west canopy]

Fixed the 10k lock-on dot so i'd say playable

[west canopy]

Coming from tof, I expected nothing less, the entire mount and driving stuff was dogpoo there too it's almost a staple for them by now but this studio is so ambitious, if they want something they're gonna put it in the game no matter what, gotta respect that at least a little bit, they did actually kinda cook with this game

[charred solstice]

can you test these cvars on home theater settings of NTE?:
au.BakedAnalysisEnabled=0
au.AllowAudioSpatialization=1
au.EnableOcclusionFilterScale=1
au.AllowReverbForMultichannelSources=1
au.Ambisonics.VirtualIntermediateChannels=1
au.EnableReverbStereoFlipForQuad=1
au.DisableQuadReverb=0
au.DisableStereoSpread=0
au.resonance.quality=4
bAllowCenterChannel3DPanning=1

my soundbar is pretty good for PC use and do seems to sound better, but i'm not going to bother connecting it to my real SS system

but nothing saves the mastering...sfx in general is ehhh

[vernal grail]

I personally haven't found the home solutions of Dolby to be all that great for years, save for select movies and TV shows. (We can all relish in Dolby using it's millions to kill competition. Woo.)

[charred solstice]

I think it's fine on the level of, most users. the character fix is the only really minor blemish, since it caps at your game brightness. but it's hard to disginush unless you nitpick hard. on a level of ue-generic extend, good enough.

actually scratch that, it's the same in ue...i wonder...now why the reno feels a little off

[vital knoll]

how y'all feel on how NTE uses AI as placeholder? it will be changed in the future but twitter users are... being twitter users

[charred solstice]

is that a thing?

it's just random hate video based on an early beta

[tulip kayak]

Caps at your ui brightness

[vital knoll]

actually you're right

[maiden flicker]

dun think it will change, even the movie in cinema is ai generated

[charred solstice]

I think the plan was for all those ad space to be filled with community fan arts and other neat social features post patches

so in beta they needed some cheap props

thus the AI

it was also a feature in TOF

[maiden flicker]

surely surely

[charred solstice]

they even said it in a dev interview

there's going to be some in game social share feature

share your screenies and videos and stuff

[vital knoll]

that actually seems neat

[maiden flicker]

yea but we no longer in beta, is not like they dont have the money to make their own arts
well whatever it is, it is clear that they embrace AI generated content/assets usage in their game, community fan arts is just good excuse to get away with it
not crimson desert situation where they just apologise and replace them

[charred solstice]

umm i believe they were replaced, the OG video trying to spam it was screenshots from 2024...

not sure, i haven't actually visited the spots again

[maiden flicker]

no? just go watch the movie in cinema, it is ai generated

20min long even

im not surprised if there are human involvement in post-editing, but it is ai generated in the end

[charred solstice]

I am not sure how it's going to work, since obvious copywrite and censorship is a huge can of worms, but it didn't stop them in ToF, and they're definitely pursuing this wacking social feature as an actual future content

[mild thicket]

My b had to sleep, not sure I can help I only really have stereo speakers with a woofer or headphones

[charred solstice]

so fyi for any NTE players using RT. Hotta be dumb or some weird bug, but RR gets turned off in dungeons, leaving you with a lot of artifacts. You can see an example of this with DLSS debug and go into Nanally's trial.
you can fix it with these cvars forcing RR-preset E
r.NGX.DLSS.DenoiserMode=1
r.NGX.DLSSRR.Preset=5

[candid plume]

what did you rename the dll file?

also dx11 or 12 mode?

[vital knoll]

does InZOI still don't work with the addon?

[azure berry]

How would one go about doing this?

[charred solstice]

add those lines to the engine.ini

under the hdr settings

but make sure to remove it if you decide to stop using RR, since this is just an override to whatever oddness is keeping the game from using it during dungeons

[azure berry]

👍 Thank you

[west canopy]

Oh so cvars are those ini engine commands? I would like to test this, where do I put it?

And you should feel the reduction of bass on pretty much any sound system you try the home theather or dolby preset on I think, it's that significant

Changing it to stereo does feel a bit more bloated in some ways (as you would expect from a narrower dynamic range) but something with the HT just doesn't seem right it's so bland

[charred solstice]

put it under the HDR settings is fine, uncheck read only, open it, add it, save it, put it back on read only.

or if it's too difficult live with it, maybe it'll get patch out

it's just super weird and artifacty all of a sudden in a story or whatever dungeon

[stark steppe]

that's why I got like 50% GPU usage in dungeon

devs dum dum

[visual ice]

What is happening to my clouds 😭

[coarse axle]

Standard temporal sloppa

[stone bear]

Yeah, I noticed it's very weird tbh

[charred solstice]

NTE has very low volumetics. ez fix, but the perf hit is not worth it when you're fully RT mode...or RT in general. either by design or pipeline, the lighting has minimal interaction with volumetic cloud/fog.

If you wan to pump up it up, it's pretty straight forward cvars found anywhere.

but when you have these amazing godrays...you forget the clouds are crap...

[mild thicket]

with 37fps id prob forget the graphics too

[stark steppe]

it says base fpx

so probably 150 with x4

[vital knoll]

anyone tried this with InZOI yet?

[charred solstice]

well ya...but that's on purpose, I was fg 4x and capping to 150fps, which is why you see that flat frame graph....but now I managed to get DFG to work, no need to punish my latency anymore.

@dusty girder question...so i was using the UE settings for NTE, with 1000 max lum, 18 mid lum as a cn site had, and for some reason it's producing a "cleaner" hdr then ue-extend, which has more desaturated and i guess blurriness is the term for it...basically off. Is there a renodx equivalent of mid lumen, or just one of those games reno tone mapping is slight off?

[mild thicket]

ahhh

[vital knoll]

if you don't mind can you post the difference?

[vital knoll]

for finding the upgrades, is testing each one the intended way?

[vital knoll]

!!!

what's the point of ReShade's .jxl format when it doesn't properly display in Discord :v

how do i update the master list in github

is that allowed?

this it? but these are only texts 🙁

github is so confusing i just wanna add InZOI to UE lists

wow anyone has perms to break the list

ok added PR, broke the site

whatever pR means

[stark steppe]

use something like SKIV

save as PNG

[vital knoll]

is that easier than using ReShade Screenshot tool? and as in installing Special K? or is there another SK program i haven't known?

[stark steppe]

it's in the Special K folder by default

Reshade directly saving as png should work as well

[vital knoll]

i see, could use that as an alternative ty

[dusty girder]

@charred solstice you got colorgrading sliders

if you want more color, increase per-ch peak

the default settings are meant to be safe

[hallow kayak]

Aphelion HDR analysis please

[tepid ridge]

Is this usable in Neverness To Everness? Dunno if you can even install reshade it being an online game tbh

[dusty girder]

yes, @tulip kayak just has to write a guide

make a post in discussions, and copy my code vein 2 layout https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/discussions/494

[tulip kayak]

i keep forgetting about this

Lmao

Ill do it today

Bet

[dusty girder]

you dont have to tell them to set upgrade path to off, since the mod does it automatically now

if you grab the latest snapshot

also here is a link to a dynamic reshade+addon download

https://reshade.me/downloads/ReShade_Setup_Addon.exe

it always points to the latest version

[tepid ridge]

Oh so I can install reshade? Nice!

[dusty girder]

idk

you might have to do something special

like the other gacha games

[tepid ridge]

Oh I have no idea about the other ones lol. I never play gachas

I need to investigate

[dusty girder]

just wait for spiwar to write a guide

[tepid ridge]

Yeah probably best

[dusty girder]

that way he can copy and paste it

[charred solstice]

it's just standard ACE anticheat bypass, which is to rename dxgi.dll to d3d12.dll

[dusty girder]

no way

I thought its a whole thing where you have to inject the dll using a tool vs. proxying

thats ... funny

[tired sparrow]

@tulip kayak SDR vs HDR

what's going on here

[balmy sleet]

Turn up saturation lol

[tired sparrow]

no

it's not saturation

it's the wrong color

and it's only the characters

[balmy sleet]

@tulip kayak

[tired sparrow]

if i increase saturation her hair turns super pink

i can't match it with the sdr

[dusty girder]

click the "safe grade" option, does that help?

[tired sparrow]

and well the rest of the world doesn't need any saturation

[dusty girder]

does it help

@tulip kayak might need to tune the special hair lutbuilder with the other unreal engine presets

[tulip kayak]

dont know

Dont care

[tired sparrow]

no

[dusty girder]

ik why it happens, but that would require spiwar to fuck with the game

[charred solstice]

it messes up other objects

[dusty girder]

I have no plans on doing anything

[tulip kayak]

Either stop bitching and live with it

[charred solstice]

there' a of off in reno, i'm messing with it, but it's not a huge deal

[tulip kayak]

Or just use sdr

[charred solstice]

it's fine~ or just use another hdr solution

[tulip kayak]

^

[tired sparrow]

so some autohdr is going to be the better option i guess

[charred solstice]

one thing i did that helped a bit was turn on tonemap.fx, and gamma 2.4-ed

[balmy sleet]

So far NTE just feels like busy work with a meh story

[tulip kayak]

Yes

The game uses a custom lutbuilder for the characters

[charred solstice]

I donno, you vibe or doesn't. I've said it before, it's a game that knows what it wants to be. it's very catered to a niche

[tulip kayak]

This was bypassed to make the hdr work

[charred solstice]

I like the story, yea it's a B to B+ level writing, but it gives me emotions...unlike 80% of other games. but I can totally see the turn off. you either vibe with hotta humor or not.

[tired sparrow]

what auto hdr should i use, any opinions? i've not really used anything other than rtx hdr

how is liliums auto hdr and pumbo's

any knowers?

[charred solstice]

just use reno, with some saturation, or throw a tonemap.fx in it. Those are for people that really customizes their image

it's only slightly off

[tired sparrow]

no the characters are significantly off honestly

they aren't even the same color

saturation does not fix it

[balmy sleet]

If I dont like the next banner im out

[tired sparrow]

i would prefer not to change the rest of the games color

[charred solstice]

we already have the next banner. but it's likely not vibing with you pretty much. it's one of those niches you know if you're in or out, pretty early.

1.1 banner is tomato girl and masked agent dude

[tired sparrow]

lacrimosa cute

[charred solstice]

here's what I did (to my taste of course), I am still trying to mess with reno like problems mentioned.

I also use max lumen at 1000 and mid lumen at 18 in UE

[dusty girder]

us gacha bois spend 1000s of dollars on waifus

or yugioh cards in my case

ya'll should donate to spiwar for making the mod possible

[charred solstice]

^

[dusty girder]

I guess some of my yugioh cards are waifus

[charred solstice]

Spi cat is tsundere, but he can make things happen with enough incentives

[tepid ridge]

This makes it look faithful to sdr?

[dusty girder]

thats basically fake hdr

[charred solstice]

pretty much

[dusty girder]

but all that matters is that you like it

[tepid ridge]

Pretty weird to put PT in it but not HDR tbh

Specially when all phones have HDR nowadays

[charred solstice]

ya I want to use reno, so I'm still messing with grading, just don't know what the equiviant gradings are.

[charred solstice]

I mean...has any game got vanilla hdr right? this is why renodx exist

[dusty girder]

sometimes you need small fixes

like the rgg games have decent hdr, but they fuck up the encoding

so I made a simple mod for all the yakuza games with native hdr that encode properly

also let you set game nits lower than 300

[tepid ridge]

But at least they make an attempt lol

Shipping only SDR is even worse

[tired sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hypno-hypnosis-hypnotize-illusion-optical-illusion-gif-5332716

@tulip kayak

ooooooooooooooo you want to fix it

yessss

https://tenor.com/view/lovetrails-lovetunnel-gif-26106093

deep down you want to fix it

[balmy sleet]

Name one phone game that has HDR support

[tepid ridge]

Im not comparing. Just saying they should

[tired sparrow]

!!!

his tsundere days are over

[charred solstice]

it would be good if NTE had native HDR...or not..stellar blade comes to mind in trying to reno it

I don't even understand why NTE didn't HDR, when it's clearly set designed for wide gammut visuals.

but gacha be gacha.

other games will come and go

[tulip kayak]

Use pumbo

[tulip kayak]

Deep down i already uninstalled this game

So unless theres a donation or something

[dusty girder]

that juicy 37 fps

[charred solstice]

hopefully the last time i get 37fps, now that I've managed to get DFG working

[coarse axle]

https://tenor.com/view/wuwa-shorekeeper-cheeks-squeeze-squishy-gif-603873240031364878

[tulip kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/shore-keeper-gif-15017039048533006888

[coarse axle]

WHY CANT SHE BE REAL

[charred solstice]

power creeped

[charred solstice]

here's some boring autohdr. I would take the reno and live with the slight color imbalance on hero models.

[covert moon]

reno is a must shame that characters are decolored i suppose they got jobs now so decoloration fits

[white coral]

@tulip kayak how much we talking?

[tulip swan]

I spent a lot time trying to make it work lol, how did you do that

[amber sapphire]

Has Reno been updated to work with Industria 2?

[charred solstice]

replace streamline files. though the launcher will try to patch it back every open, but before launching. You can make a script or use dlss swapper+ to one button it.

[tulip kayak]

honestly whatever you feel like

[tepid ridge]

I will try Reno probably yeah

If I don’t like how it looks I’ll just do sdr. Don’t think imma play this game for long anyways

[west canopy]

Why'd'all like it so oversaturated I don't understand

I mean it looks nice but it's not something I felt was missing

[west canopy]

Oh. Hmm 🤔

[west canopy]

So he's basically saying it's unfixable

[west canopy]

So didn't he answer already it uses a custom lutbuilder that has to be bypassed to make the HDR work

Now I wish I didn't see that difference. I'll just live with it I'm sure as hell not using autohdr

[tulip kayak]

Its not unfixable

I just uninstalled the game

[glossy cipher]

I don't even play Gacha

[west canopy]

Was it because of Taygedo, because that's kinda understandable

[visual ice]

The second chapter of main story where you have to orchestrate Taygedo's date night was so bad

Shouldn't even be a main story quest

[west canopy]

But I hear that's like the only Taygedo one

[visual ice]

I just hope they don't put so much focus on him. He's been a big part of almost every quest I did

At some point listening to Taygedo? Taygedo! Tayyygedo??? Tayyyygedo??? Gets tiring

[west canopy]

https://youtu.be/r-sG-sq3ghE?si=3J166MSQpKBR9Uml

apparently many complained about it in the beta, and they didn't change it

[visual ice]

At least every so often I get to see other characters dunk on Taygedo

[rough ledge]

👁️ what's that perceptual boost thingy

[livid abyss]

xd

looks great

is this updated?

[livid abyss]

how do i fix this?

[tepid ridge]

Followed this to the T and updated with latest snapshot but everything is mega washed out (except UI) :((

[covert moon]

@tepid ridgertx hdr? rtx hdr debanding setting?

[dusty girder]

thats old

dont use that

wait for him to write a guide

[west canopy]

is the water supposed to be like this?

[charred solstice]

Cause it’s a phone photo and is subjected to overexposure. HDR is hard to screen shot it’s more convenient to phone it

[charred solstice]

I’m a tagyedo shield. If only to rage bait people more.

[vital knoll]

nope, looks like using (just example) RenoDX with FG

maybe water shader needs to be patched?

[west canopy]

no FG here

[vital knoll]

no, just said it's like that

but not really, but close

unless you also see that water clipping issue with other in google

[charred solstice]

Can't blame reno on game bugs, and you can always toggle off reno. while there is such a possiblity in upgrade path, UE extend is just working off UE's hdr output.

You kinda have a perfect excuse since the game is about anomalys then anomalys in the game can happen.

[tulip kayak]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/discussions/557

@tepid ridge @livid abyss

in case anyone misses it

[tepid ridge]

I don’t have RTX HDR

I’ll check the guide. Thanks!

[dusty girder]

nice job

now you can just spam people with that

[tepid ridge]

Yeah I did all those steps and it was not working for me. Maybe I missed something

[tulip kayak]

Settings page?

Renodx settings

you likely used an older build that flipped upgradr on

[dusty girder]

btw the character part can be fixed by making a f(x) function for the custom character tonemapper; a clanker might do it for you

and then map it vs. unreal engine's own f(x) in desmos

and then just match the filmic params

[tepid ridge]

Could be. I’ll try again with latest

[dusty girder]

updating wont fix it

[tulip kayak]

You need to manuslly flip it off

Since it initialized with yhe wrong settings

[tepid ridge]

OHHHHH ok. So no upgrades at all?

[dusty girder]

change reno to advanced, and set Upgrade Path off manually

also mind sending me reshade.log

before you do that

I wonder if the defaults are getting applied

[tepid ridge]

I deleted everything and started playing in sdr lol. I have to reinstall everything

[dusty girder]

thats fine, re-install and then send reshade.log

[tepid ridge]

Will do!

As a side tangent. How’s performance for y’all? With a 4080 at 4K I’m getting a lot of frametime spikes all the time. It’s near unplayable levels for me. Seems like CPU just gets eaten away

[dusty girder]

idk I dont install chinease gacha games

I dont want their anticheats on my pc

[tepid ridge]

It has anti cheats? It didn’t prompt me to install anything other than the game itself

Unless it installs it sneakily

[tulip kayak]

Ace anti cheat

Standard fair with all chynagacha

[tepid ridge]

Ahhhh I see. I’m not a usual gacha player so no idea

[tulip kayak]

mgame was fine for me in dx12

[tepid ridge]

Hmm interesting. Wonder what’s causing my issues then

[dusty girder]

I saw the pull animation

[tulip kayak]

It does precompule shaders

[dusty girder]

and its a monopoly board

[tulip kayak]

In everry boot

[dusty girder]

its pretty cool

[tepid ridge]

Cause it’s terrible tbh. A lot of spikes and VRR flicker

[west canopy]

probably shader caching. how long have you played? runs very smooth for me

[tepid ridge]

Yeah I did some pulls and it was fun

[dusty girder]

but it does remove some of the hype

[tulip kayak]

Game sneakily calls this "verifying resources"

[tepid ridge]

2h?

[tulip kayak]

[dusty girder]

I want my slot machine to be random

[west canopy]

but not all. had some terrible stutter at the start which was gone eventually

[dusty girder]

sometimes deleting your entire shader cache

helps

[tepid ridge]

My gpu is not even hitting 99% on open world. 85% or so. That’s why I say I think it’s just bashing my 13600K

[tepid ridge]

I’ll try. Need to figure out where this game stores it

[dusty girder]

the nvidia folder

and prolly localappdata

2 places

[tepid ridge]

Hmmmm maybe I just gotta keep playing for a bit more. I just got to the base place

But first impression is abysmal

[dusty girder]

%localappdata%\NVIDIA\DXCache -- delete everything in this folder

and then go to the game's folder (a few folders above engine.ini), and delete and ucache or upipeline foles

that will clean your PCs shader cache

let it recompile (with the renodx mod)

and it will usually be smoother

[tepid ridge]

Thanks! Will do now

[dusty girder]

make sure to setup the reno mod up first

or else it will pre-compile with the wrong shaders

[west canopy]

lmao btw played mahjong in the game (it's MP) and i don't think anybody knew how to play at all i just afked the game looked like it played itself and somehow I won?

[tepid ridge]

I can just delete today´s stuff no? (I started playing today)

[vital knoll]

that's just Shader Compilation

no worry

[dusty girder]

sure

its all games, but

not a big deal

prolly good to do once in a while anyway

[livid abyss]

Hii so this only works on hdr monitors? No sdr alternative?

[tepid ridge]

Why would you want a HDR mod on a SDR monitor lol

[dusty girder]

prolly works on sdr if you just drop the addon in, turn gamma correction off, and then set peak nits, game nits, and ui nits to 80

[livid abyss]

didnt you read? i asked if theres no sdr alternative

[charred solstice]

Nar, it's a different kind of gambling addiction mah. that game board...you can land on a roll that gives you more rolls. That's crazy, and screws around with the brain. Like your last pull...and then bam, 5 more pulls~.

Once they figure out how to send a waitress over with a free drink, it'll be literally vegas.

[dusty girder]

that souds cool

reminds me of those online casino games

where it just keeps spinning

and some of the rewards are

more spins

I'm a classic boy, I like opening card packs in yugioh masterduel

the original gacha

[charred solstice]

I close my eyes and press skip button, I don't want to fall into deprivity. gaming is already depraved enough~

[charred solstice]

I send this to people. Half the people at first thought it was real, and ask me where this was.

MJ at a maid cafe, yea they weebs alright. Only true otakus would pair maids with MJ

[west canopy]

i got sakiri as my first standard pull, how bricked am I?

how is it possible to dodge literally all the waifus mommies and husbandos and get this 😭

[dusty girder]

for me it depends

sometimes I skip

like yesterday I dropped ~100$ on some yugioh cards before the banner went away

just mashed skip

sometimes its fun to sit through 30 minutes of pack opening animations

but yugioh is supe rgenerous, you dont actually have to pull the cards you want

you can craft it all

its just more efficient to pull it

and I wanted these cards, so I didnt mind spending some money

but yugioh is also a skill based pvp game, so their gacha + craft system is extremely generous since gameplay comes first

[charred solstice]

NTE you'll want a copy of every character for city perfs. Sakari is actually high on the meta teirs, due to having the suc enemy function. In any event, its standard~.

[tulip kayak]

No

The mod's purpose is to add HDR

What would an SDR alternative even do?

[charred solstice]

I found PVP to be the biggest gacha offenders, but then, it also has the a regular pattern, so at least it's more a controlled addiction...sorta?

[dusty girder]

its not like gacha pvp

where some gacha games have a pvp mode

to flex

its more like league of legends

where the goal of the game is 1v1 pvp, but how you get your cards is through opening packs

but you're never starving for cards

[dusty girder]

here nothing

the way ue extended works is

prolly will look the same in sdr

well not exactly

but there isnt a lot of sdr benefit imo

[jovial wren]

Turn off ray tracing if you have it enabled, seems to cause a lot of stuttering at least on my 9070xt

Altho the usual occasional traversal stutter still exists

[tulip kayak]

Ya theres no purpose here

10 bucks says that guy came from crimson desert

And thought all renodx completely revamp the games rendering

LMAO right on the money

[glossy cipher]

congrats on the imaginary 10 bucks 😉 #💬lounge message

[dusty girder]

some modders, mostly jon and shortfuse

add an sdr mode

and depending on what you're doing

or what game it is

like if its a clip game

sdr reno will look better

[tulip kayak]

ya but thats only the sdr is severely broken

[dusty girder]

adding reinhard pisswise vs. saturate()

[charred solstice]

wait 9070xt is allowed to PT?

[tulip kayak]

[dusty girder]

unreal sdr is fine, it can be better, but its fine

[glossy cipher]

if the game supports it then yes, AMD even have their own RayReconstruction model

[jovial wren]

Not officially, but you can get it working with optiscaler

[tulip kayak]

@coarse axle stop slopping rendering improvements. We got sloppers expecting everry mod to have it

[coarse axle]

Damn

[charred solstice]

ya that's what I figured, I remember this is a nvidia locked game like some others.

[jovial wren]

Cause game locks pt to nvidia gpus 5070ti/4080 and up

Optiscaler spoofs 4090 by default on non nvidia gpu

[dusty girder]

that too

[coarse axle]

mf really pulled a HMS Dreadnought

now everyone excepts a new playing field

[dusty girder]

?

is that warhammer?

[jovial wren]

Yeah the nvidia sponsoring goes crazy in this game

[dusty girder]

I think I seen warhammer dudse mention a Dreadnought

[charred solstice]

I have never seen forge has crimson desert not up for the past month. I wonder if he even got pass the intro yet.

[coarse axle]

HMS Dreadnought was the first fully steel battleship produced by the British with a main battery

[jovial wren]

No official support for fsr4 in the big 26 as well

[dusty girder]

yea it is

[dusty girder]

oh

[coarse axle]

Basically somethign something it made all other ships obsolete

[dusty girder]

ah

[jovial wren]

They have fsr3 but it doesnt work with amd's built in fsr4 upgrade for rdna4 unfortunately

[dusty girder]

I had KoKlutz message me asking to fix DoF

[coarse axle]

So eveyone had new expectations

going forward

[jovial wren]

Need to use optiscaler to get around that

[dusty girder]

apparently there is a known bgu in all UE games

[coarse axle]

Me and Laz have been looking at that

[dusty girder]

might be an easy fix, but ue-extended's sole goal is to fix tonemapping

and post-fx like grain/rcas

[coarse axle]

Its why we tested custom texture bindings

so we can fix contact shadows and DoF

they use IGN

[dusty girder]

if you can make it a seperate addon that works with ue-extended

that would be cool

[coarse axle]

Thats what we wanted to do

have HDR addon

and another addon handle grafix

We tested it in E33

works

[dusty girder]

reno addons should work together

as long as they both dont do the same thing

so if cope33 works

extended should work too

cope33 might need to get merged here

[charred solstice]

that would be nice...e33 is a game i keep never fully comitting to

[coarse axle]

DoF uses IGN and the pattern creates a noticable stripped line and other issues.

Contact shadows also have this problem

Volumetrics as well

they all use IGN

Laz wanted to port Senua 2's DoF

some custom thing

looks clean and doesnt have typical UE5 issues

[dusty girder]

idk what those qr codes mean

I'm not into actual graphics

for the most part I dont notice graphical issues

if the shadows are a bit broken, idc

[tulip kayak]

Renodx hdr
Renodx graphix
Renodx sex mod

[dusty girder]

the sex mod is the unity mod

since most h games are unity

or gamemaker

[tulip kayak]

[tulip kayak]

Ive seen some bespoke ones

In UE

[dusty girder]

which?

[tulip kayak]

The animation work

Is crazy

[dusty girder]

I dont think I've seen any high effort games

in UE

also sex games means penetration

not just lewd games

like there has to be actual fucking

[coarse axle]

but for real

are smellas asking?

[dusty girder]

no

its just people asking if this mod will help in sdr

which is imo no

[coarse axle]

what have we done

[tulip kayak]

read here

[dusty girder]

it would work in sdr, just not do anything

its not just the rendering stuff

long before your stuff

homo knight sdr

etc

but those had busted sdr

so reno helped sdr

[tepid ridge]

Followed the NTE guide and everything is still washed

No upgrades are on

[dusty girder]

send me a picture

of your renodx settings

[tulip kayak]

Comes directly from your CD channel bud

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-angry-mad-gif-16754054616247640902

[dusty girder]

also send me your reshade.log @tepid ridge

[dusty girder]

ok upgrade path is off

thats right

[tulip kayak]

Have you toggled hdr on in windows settings

[dusty girder]

00:10:27:943 [ 6412] | INFO  | [RenoDX] Marked default values for HTGame.exe (NTE)
00:10:27:943 [ 6412] | INFO  | [RenoDX] Default value for Set_Path: 0

good to know this works

[tepid ridge]

Omg this is so embarrasing HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH It always happens to me and I completely forget

[dusty girder]

I have windows in hdr mode on all the time

[tulip kayak]

Somehow my intuition is scary

[dusty girder]

yea

it be like that

[charred solstice]

We saw nothing. A man must keep a shred of honor.

[tepid ridge]

I have it automated via Playnite to only enable when launching compatible games, forgot to do it for this one

[tulip kayak]

You're on amd too right

[tepid ridge]

Noup

Rtx 4080

Im just silly

Forgive me

[tulip kayak]

Aight enjoy

[tepid ridge]

Yeah looking really good, thanks again and sorry!

[amber sapphire]

Anyone try Industria 2?

[dusty girder]

all good

[tepid ridge]

Saturation at 60 compensates a bit for the character lut and looks pretty good btw

[dusty girder]

@tulip kayak I had a fun idea

In the hair lutbuilder, try increasing the shoulder (cb_config.ue_filmshoulder = 0.26f;)

shoulder is when it starts compressing, so if you increase it bit by bit; maybe it will get a bit more saturated

also try raising whiteclip to 0.5f/1.f for fun

you should be able to live load so it shouldnt take long

I had the clanker re-write their custom code, and its a simple pisswise function, shouldnt be too hard to match fucking with the filmic paramaters

[tepid ridge]

Holy shit the combat effects can get BRIGHT in my G5

To the point it scares me of burn in even lol

[charred solstice]

We warned you about seizures and blindness~

you can probably mute the highlights a bit in grading

[tepid ridge]

I might just reduce peak brightness

[dusty girder]

reduce peak or game brightness

[tulip kayak]

Keep peak

Reduce highlights

[tepid ridge]

Gotcha

I’ll try that

[tulip kayak]

Make sure ur game brightbess

Is appropriate for your environment

[tepid ridge]

I always use 203 with some ambient light

[tulip kayak]

Do less

203 is for a bright room

[tepid ridge]

Ohhhhh

[tulip kayak]

Its default that way so ppl dont bitch about hdr being dark

Game brightness down first

[tepid ridge]

Ok I’ll try 180

[tulip kayak]

Then u can try highlights

[tepid ridge]

Tho brightness itself is good. Issue is some effects go straight to 2500nits

[tulip kayak]

Id try 150 game

And then reduce highlights a bit

From there

[tepid ridge]

Hmmmmm I’m trying 150 and it looks quite dim. But maybe I’m used to over bright hdr lol

I’m also in quite a well lit room several small lights on and a big one too

[tulip kayak]

Try to do highlights down a bit then

[tepid ridge]

I’ll try highlights 45

[dusty girder]

@tulip kayak play with filmic params, you can fix the hair

a bigger shoulder (less compression) = more saturation

they do a basic s curve for the hair, nothing special

toe, linear part, shoulder

[tulip kayak]

That requires me to reinstall the game

[dusty girder]

the toe doesnt matter, we just want it to pop a bit more

oh

fuck that

nvm

so is the game ass?

like fotm gacha

that will prolly die

[tulip kayak]

game looks good tbh

[dusty girder]

so why quit

[tulip kayak]

I just dont have time for it rn

[dusty girder]

ah

[charred solstice]

something i can do?

i assume spi PRed it

[tulip kayak]

You can mess with the filmic param

I need to pr some extra ui stuff

How large is the game anyways

[charred solstice]

It's off to a positive start, even if the bug are stacking up(though people enjoy half the bugs). I would say you'll probably keep hearing about it for the near future as people spread the world of mouth.
It's a solid 7/10 gacha with a 9/10 for freshness according to the interwebs.

[tulip kayak]

The game is jank

But it has soul

Which is more than i can say

[charred solstice]

size? or playtime?

[tulip kayak]

For endfield

@topaz wyvern

[charred solstice]

52gb size download

[dusty girder]

so end of service in 2 years

not 1

[topaz wyvern]

there is no chance in the world that i ever play nte

[charred solstice]

it has vibes, sometimes people can ignore all the bad stuff as long as they keep drinking the coolaid

[tulip kayak]

Im not tagging u to play nte

[dusty girder]

watch the mexican andy video

[tulip kayak]

Im tagging you for the endfield diss

[charred solstice]

some of the bugs are down right hilarious though. Like co op racing, people found a way to get out of the car at start, and finger gun your tires, making you unable to complete the race in your car.

or the more tame version, they run and get in your car, so you have to drive them to the finish line while they afk.

[coarse axle]

Me dropping by and cooking heat for NTE only to abandon by Patch 1.1

[charred solstice]

do it, but fix the custom lut first while you're at it.

[tulip kayak]

Another endfield accident has hit the tower

[dusty girder]

is endfield end of service?

[coarse axle]

We both got bored of it

To me the game kinda butchered the OG aesthetic and lore

Apparently 1.1 and 1,2 are better

but I cba with gacha atm

even Wuwa I have been hearing nice things but I still need to play through all of 2.0 before I even get to 3.4

so I cba

HDR works

but all the rendering stuff is ded

[tepid ridge]

Im doing a secondary quest about cake that’s making me want to cut my balls

[dusty girder]

ah

[tulip kayak]

Aces extended with boytoy correct

[dusty girder]

aces extended?

[tulip kayak]

ya

[dusty girder]

didnt know that a thing

[tulip kayak]

its unity

[dusty girder]

proper aces

with rrt and odt

[tulip kayak]

not sure if its a full thing

maybe just an approximation

[dusty girder]

its not hard to extend anything, a clanker can d oit

[tulip kayak]

but its whatever unity does with its aces lut

[dusty girder]

just write the vanilla function as

a float3

[tulip kayak]

no need to have clanker do it

[dusty girder]

but full aces with rrt and odt

[tulip kayak]

I just copied musa's stuff

[coarse axle]

rl Clanker 2.0

[dusty girder]

unless something is static

you still need to calculate stuff

[tulip kayak]

we need clanker trained on musa

[dusty girder]

but if its the same tm you can copy

[tulip kayak]

it was epic

unfortunately the game is ass

can't believe that was 3 months ago

[west canopy]

NTE feels way better, don't give up on it guys 😭

[coarse axle]

Anime GTA that good?

[west canopy]

having much more fun with it than ark

but honestly... i'm having even more fun with Morgil

[tulip kayak]

its jank

but has soul

soul vs soulless

[coarse axle]

The problem is always online and updates

I can only support one online slop game at a time

Crimson is already a job and a half

I added notes and docs

others will be able to updated it (they wont)

[tulip kayak]

just play bro

dont patch the slop

lmao

[coarse axle]

play???????

[west canopy]

the one that actually has real soul i'd say is Morgil. and it's because it's not made by chinese for once, it shows. Anime GTA can eventually get tiring and suffer from open world burnout, while Morgil is much more like a high quality jrpg (which will also suck when you run out of content - it has less content, but it's better)

[tepid ridge]

Yeah gacha slop deserves no more than that lol

[coarse axle]

Well its UE5 anyways

[tulip kayak]

this is not endfield level of bad where you go in and the rendering is offensively bad

[coarse axle]

not much I can do

[tulip kayak]

ps4 minus levels

"endfield runs so well so optimized"

yeah bro theres literally no AO

[coarse axle]

playdoh LODs

[west canopy]

i just wish Morgil had Forge's magic AO improvements or something, game looks ass without RT but RT makes everything brown and lots of crushed black shadows of void

game literally has no shadows without RT but RT is cursed

[coarse axle]

Whats this Morgil

let me check

[tulip kayak]

the fuck is morgil

[west canopy]

guys 💀

how did you miss out on like the only decent gacha that has a soul

[coarse axle]

ahh yes the floating babes with tiddies #5476573

kino

[tulip kayak]

yea bro the only soul i see

are in those fun bags

jesus

[west canopy]

they know what the audience wants. also this game has no safety shorts

it's made in korea

very different feel from a typical chinese gacha slop

[west canopy]

story is actually... really good and fun to go trough

havent skipped a single dialogue line

[stone bear]

So it's a gooner game?

[coarse axle]

Brown Dust 2

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-salieri-antonio-salieri-amadeus-salieri-gif-12095716088864804173

[stone bear]

'made in korea' screams gooner tbh, seeing how the gender war is playing out there lol

[west canopy]

well all of these gachas try to be a gooner game but chinese ones are so clunky with censoring some stuff in weird ways (it's ok to max out the boob slider but god forbid you'd get a panty shot? safety shorts down to the knees! ruins any character with a short skirt like Nana... Morgil just has no safety shorts, i like that)

anway im playing morgil because its actually even mor fun than the anime gta 😅 but that one is good too

[coarse axle]

In some sense I hate how every gacha has exactly the same UI layout with the 3 or 4 character icons on the right with the fuck ass red pop ups top right and the same ID and latency bar in the bottom left ect

but then I remeber western games all have "Focus, M" writing or RPG-lite stats or ubislop open world

[west canopy]

NTE cant escape that "its chinese gacha slop altough a good one" feel, but Morgil just feels like straight up playing a high quality jrpg

[coarse axle]

Look look

I dont care how a game looks

if OST good

good

if story good

good

[stone bear]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[balmy sleet]

I am having more fun on Mongil then NTE

[west canopy]

the gameplay loop is more fun and less tiring to me

[coarse axle]

do you have pics?

trying to understand

[stone bear]

Haven't played it yet, but seeing as they have zero marketing, and the only concrete thing that you said about it is that it allows you to take panty shots, I have my reservations tbh.

[west canopy]

yeah just a sec

[coarse axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-mgs-rocket-metal-gear-idkguyidk-gif-6710607785251356347

[coarse axle]

I swear a new gacha comes out every other month

but then I rememvber that a new extractio shooter comes out every month in the west

[dusty girder]

what game is this

[coarse axle]

Horseshoe theory

[coarse axle]

stellar blade

[dusty girder]

oh

[coarse axle]

Thats Raven

[dusty girder]

I got bored at

the second desert

the last area

[west canopy]

#1411800884303626311 message

[coarse axle]

OST was kino

storyt was meh

combat was ok

nothing groundbreaking

[west canopy]

#1411800884303626311 message

and this is the problem with RT on

[stone bear]

Why does this look like a Genshin Mondstadt clone

for real

[west canopy]

OST is nice and story/dialogue is both charming and witty, i'm having a lot of fun with it

[balmy sleet]

Yah the rt is "experimental"

[west canopy]

yep

im suffering trough that

game gud tho

[west canopy]

yeah it pretty much goes full in on mondstadt style

[dusty girder]

I got tired of the same song

and the combat got kinda repetitive

it wasnt a bad game

I just lost interest

[tulip kayak]

@coarse axle only game we excited for

is Bri'ish gacha

[coarse axle]

Mayhaps

if the story is actually good

and not just another MC glazeathon

[stone bear]

This shit will run 40fps on an 5090 I'm tellin yo

[coarse axle]

MFGmaxxing

[tulip kayak]

we dont even know how it runs on mobile

given it requires nanite

and nanite isn't supported on mobile

[coarse axle]

so it wont

kino

PT mode when?

I am not getting cucked again like Wuwa

The East (not Japan) if they actually produced good quality single player games that arent Gacha

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

Well Wuwa's story is peak

[stone bear]

Wukong was a wake up call for Tencent

They took their money out of Japan due to that game lol

So maybe we'll see some good china games in the future?

That aren't gachas

[west canopy]

Mongil truly has some dialogue of our time

coming to this from chinese slop writing was refreshing, made me chuckle on multiple ocasions

miller is based

here's how the gameplay looks lke with the mod

[tired sparrow]

if you didn't play tangtangs story and 1.2 then pipe down about endfield

[dusty girder]

looks gud

[charred solstice]

I mean it has it's defenders but it's way more bigger slop then NTE. It's so cheap, you'll think they one man-ed it. Every about it screams slop. It is pretty low-key in that you baically only do one thing and log off, so in it has char in it's own way. NTE is really...beefy.

[west canopy]

but.. it's pallatable. sometimes less is more 😒

and what little content is there, it's quality

it's a much smaller game in scope, which i aprecciate

[charred solstice]

I don't call press arrow to jump quality, and walk in a straight line.

[west canopy]

it plays like an oldschool jrpg

[charred solstice]

@coarse axle but whatever the heck NTE is doing with UE (at least RT/PT) it's custom pipeline. can't do much on UE side. Whatever can be done, it would be reno way...not that we have fps to do much.

[dusty girder]

ya'll complaining, but spiwar out here fixing the hair

[charred solstice]

Ancient you mean, even Skies of arcadia has a wider map then mongie

[west canopy]

also i meant story and dialogue. i'm really enjoying writing in mongil as compared to TAKEYDO! TAYKEDO! and looooooooong exposition dumps with too many nouns to keep track of (an issue with all chinese games)

[charred solstice]

True, dat...alright @tulip kayak where's your patreon button?

[tepid ridge]

I played around a bit more and perf is good. But as soon as I get a car and start driving it’s stutter fest

Im liking it and hating it at the same time

[charred solstice]

Me a taygedo fan. I love the rage baiting!

[tepid ridge]

If it wasn’t as pretty as it is I probably would’ve dropped it already

[charred solstice]

I knew it even in beta

[tepid ridge]

Taygedo is cool agree

[charred solstice]

I laugh fair a bit during chap1-3...but then it falls to crap when they go back to hero of salvation mode writing. Mongril is netmarble in the end

[balmy sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1411800884303626311/1500113615146057960/RDT_20260502_143547971416896443602949.jpg?ex=69f7412c&is=69f5efac&hm=3bcdf614e05c0b596db9124172b1d7d8d10e157a5ff1650de747924e50ab71b8&

[dusty girder]

what are the 2 games?

but baki memes are always welcome

[tepid ridge]

NTE and Genshin I think

[west canopy]

i love both games and i don't hate takeydo (that much) but obviously there's someting in mogil for me that i find extremely enjyoable, the game just clicks. NTE just suffers of what i dislike from gacha slop (boring drawned out dialogue, no originality) and don't get me started on overcomplicated skill descriptions and game mechanics, this is going to be a PAIN to learn, the systems in NTE are truly.. something. meanwhile Mongil is the opposite, it's all dead dumb simple to understand, which i really like, for once...

[charred solstice]

Actually should replace that with the Mongil Cat..they both can only say 1 word....in this discussion

[dusty girder]

do you guys actually read

gahca stories

I used to play FGO, spent a ton of money

and pressed skip

on all dialog

I just wanted to grind

[west canopy]

Mongil is the first one I actually enjoy because it doesnt hit like a gacha but a good jrpg

[tepid ridge]

Haven’t played mongril but yeah NTE is over complicating VERY simple stuff (it’s literally 2 button presses and dash the combat)

[balmy sleet]

I skipp all low effert side stuff

[charred solstice]

some of them live or die on stories, but in that respect when the graphics go up, the quality usually goes down, yea.

[tepid ridge]

I only truly get enjoyement out of exploring and story so yeah. That’s why I usually don’t play gacha games lol

[west canopy]

Mongril basically does exactly that, pres skill to do X it's 2 sentences at most for everything

[balmy sleet]

I like the auto farm button in Mongil

[dusty girder]

speaking of gacha stories

[charred solstice]

untl you ge to farming pets

[dusty girder]

so I've been playing a lot of yugioh

[tepid ridge]

Yeah that’s probably nicer. NTE is just nonsense blabber all the time. I’m just glazing over the dialogues cause they are genuinely that bad lol. I’ll probably just start KCD 2 tomorrow and leave this slop

[dusty girder]

and all the card archetypes have crazy deep lore

[tulip kayak]

only fans in my profile
https://ko-fi.com/spiwar

[tepid ridge]

It does look insanely pretty, I’ll give it that

[west canopy]

oh yeah i forgot that, huge win for me. game dont waste your time

[dusty girder]

if konami made animes about the actual cards, and not kids playing the card game; it would go so hard

they make like 5 minute shorts

[west canopy]

try mongil you'll be surprised

[stone bear]

M Y K O F I I N B I O

[dusty girder]

like wouldnt you guys actually watch a full show of this -- https://youtu.be/DP6GAjnMBbc

[coarse axle]

Well UE4SS is ded?

[west canopy]

another thing with Mongil is

• it stacks up dailies for multiple days if you miss them
• if you bought a monthly sub it sends currency to mail, they don't rob you if you miss a day

among many other qol things

[coarse axle]

What are the issues rn?

[tepid ridge]

Nah I’m not a gacha player. I just tried NTE cause I liked the vibe. But that’s it 3h is enough

[charred solstice]

but ya some find charm in mongil, all I see is cope for trying to squeeze money out of players for shoestring budget. Like how neo is praising the story...I find it it pandering. The writing literally is middle of the road harmless, and thoughtless scripting. It's one of those "No i would never day say anything but the most innocent PG dad jokes". Dad jokes have a place and time, but sometimes you need a bit more....soul.

[west canopy]

I'm playing 3 gachas atm

[coarse axle]

gachalets arguing over which slop is better slop

[tepid ridge]

I feel your pain brother. Stay strong

[balmy sleet]

[coarse axle]

new lows

[charred solstice]

in that respect I find Mongil and Endfield similar except different genre. They want the most broad appeal possible, so they always play it safe.

[charred solstice]

You're no better, you got the ultimate 70usd slop that is crimson desert.

[tepid ridge]

I wish NTE was a single player game tbh. The artstyle and overall vibe is just so cool

Literally anime GTA done right (kinda)

[coarse axle]

I bought Crimson because I knew it would be peak mid

meaning I have a ton of stuff to fix

[west canopy]

it's the mediveal setting i like. Mongil is basically like "hey let's just make the town, most of the world and enemy design cut out straight from SAO" (generic european mediveal fantasy) and honestly I love it it came out great. it's super comforting to me

[charred solstice]

I donno, more yakuza....but it's in the end going to dry up content, once you burn out on mini games. It should be a live service, I don't see that much depth in content, though it's a good start for 1.0.

[tepid ridge]

The issue is the story is trash imo. And the map is just full of busy work

At the end of the session today I was starting to get stressed cause it’s just sensory overload lol

[stone bear]

The story is so bad it's really astounding

[coarse axle]

NTE?

[stone bear]

The first 2h don't tell you anything basically

[coarse axle]

whats the TLDR?

[tepid ridge]

I don’t play gachas so I don’t know. But is this the level of slop y’all are used to?

[coarse axle]

whats the storyt

[tepid ridge]

Control but anime

[tulip kayak]

thats the neat thing

[tepid ridge]

And makes no sense

[tulip kayak]

i have no idea

what teh fuck is going on

[coarse axle]

uhhh

[tulip kayak]

[coarse axle]

I thought thete was nother control but anime gacha

[stone bear]

I don't think anyone has any idea about it lol

[west canopy]

yes 100%. and it's why mongil stands out, it's anything like that

[tepid ridge]

There’s like paranormal stuff and you kill it. And there’s a bureau for this. So basically control copy paste but with no taste

[charred solstice]

story is really hit or miss, lucky it's a hit on my end well mildly. I find it's humor refreshing...

[coarse axle]

dawg

[tepid ridge]

And the lore makes like 0 sense. The start is baffling. You have no idea what’s going on things just happen

And then I did a secondary quest about a cake and a rabbit that was such slop I was this close to uninstalling

[coarse axle]

Heard some stereotype about how chinese doods coming back from work dont want to focus on story or complex narrative they just want cute waifus which is why most gachas are they way they are

Makes we wonder why Wuwa is different

[stone bear]

Yes and no.
Usually the beginning is pretty strong, and it rolls downhill then.
But in this case the beginning is just confusing and makes little sense, idk about the rest though

[charred solstice]

pretty much, NTE is the opposite niche as you can tell. Hard core lore cringe humor, and makes no effort to change.

[west canopy]

this is what i don't understand. because all these gacha slops go out of their way to overcomplicate both the narrative and game mechanics

[stone bear]

NTE worldbuilding is pretty weird too tbh

[coarse axle]

Midfield with a billion tutorials

[stone bear]

I mean,
The city is literally a mumbo jumbo of 20 ideas

[coarse axle]

So Crimson

[charred solstice]

NTE with zero tutorials, my friend litterally found out he could change cars, after I told him to hold T.

[tepid ridge]

City is really cool imo

[coarse axle]

[stone bear]

Mostly Yakuza inspirations though

[west canopy]

don't remind me

[charred solstice]

NTE's tutorial button is like hidden inside 3 layers of menus...I doubt 90% of the players know wtf the combat mechs are.

it's really spam a lot of buttons and many many words

[tepid ridge]

Artstyle is just on point. Some character designs are also hella cool. PT looks real nice, music is also pretty good… but yeah the gameplay itself and the story (the important bits) are… well, a thing that exists

[west canopy]

the combat mechs are truly wild in this game. and yeah i found tutorial for mechs burried inside menus too

[tired sparrow]

endfield story after 1.0 is much better

[west canopy]

didn't give a fuck to check them out tho, i button mash

i know the dude gives a shield the blue girl buffs and the two other girls do dmg and you spam cds on rotation

it works ig 🤷‍♂️

[charred solstice]

well none of us is like...even able to equip gear yet likely

[charred solstice]

but yea...I didn't know half the combat mechs until i watch videos...the tutorials are wtf stopped after Mint smiles

[stone bear]

You can't make this stuff up lol

[tepid ridge]

Sotenboriii

HOLY SHIT ITS THE GRANDMA

No way

[stone bear]

YEAH

[west canopy]

https://youtu.be/4C2UBqemXbw?is=29oasUB3kGAsb_hx

[tepid ridge]

That’s an insane reference

[west canopy]

they "borrowed" a shittone of scenes from many anime actually

whole game is basically a ripoff of a lot of things

[tepid ridge]

Crimson desert but make it anime

And add boobs

[charred solstice]

no it's straight up copying, as typical of CN

[west canopy]

they ripped off the creepy mobs with umbrellas from Ghostwire Tokyo too

it's pretty much 1:1 i was like dude

[charred solstice]

the whale with the Eva background~

[west canopy]

but i can't deny that all of it together... it just works. it's nice

[tired sparrow]

originality is simply not required to make something fun

[charred solstice]

it's beefy and buggy, and my gpu hurts, but it's fresh, it's fine. probably won't die unless they screw up 1.1

[tepid ridge]

I’ll probably wait till people plays more and there’s a consensus about the 1.0 as a whole

If the story improves even a lil bit I might keep playing

[tired sparrow]

relying on consensus

heh

[tepid ridge]

I just need something to grab on to lol

[charred solstice]

story improvews a lot, the humor, not so much, it's brand of humor is forever the same as intro.

[tepid ridge]

Otherwise I’m back to FF XIV which is clearly superior and better use of my time

[west canopy]

yikes, playing a chinese gacha for story should find something else to enjoy in the game, honest advice

[tepid ridge]

Oh yeah I know

I just tried it cause it looks nice

I would like to keep playing cause I like how it looks. But the story is so abysmal it counters the visuals xd

[coarse axle]

real and true and based

[tired sparrow]

if you care about story then you are playing the long game like with most gacha

nobody would have thought wuwa would try so hard later on

[west canopy]

me too but i'm all in for a while, my only concern is overcomplicated mechanics, dont give a scrap about the story. i like the life sim part of it.

[charred solstice]

NTE story follows the anime rule, they throw a whole bunch of slice of life to introduce lore and world build by using cute silly "case files"...then slowly build up to "1st arc boss" using those lore settings.

aka detective conan as someone puts it

[tepid ridge]

Wait you beat the whole thing?

[west canopy]

the purpose of this game is to literally make you feel like you're living in an anime

and i think they did that well

[charred solstice]

I was in beta, so I knew half the content.

so it's like episode 1-3 is where you're on and then you finally get something interesting at epi 4-6 for the release content

[tulip kayak]

@coarse axle

dont need to patch hdr sun for this one

[coarse axle]

MMO multiplayer sloppa that actually has incredible music, characters and story

and is more of a single player game

[tepid ridge]

XIV aint no slop at all

[coarse axle]

its online

so slop

just bare with me

[coarse axle]

looks like ass