Unreal Engine

[sullen spoke]

i can update game cards instantly now from online manifest

[regal kayak]

I’m not sure what the best solution would be here. Kinda seems like the game would need local exposure to address it.

[dusty girder]

@sullen spoke the reason idk if its worth doing all the special ue-extended code is eventually ue-extended will get merged and replace ue-generic (what we have now)

and ue-generic will be a fallback for very obscure games like the 2 arri lut games

ue-extended is just a beta for a big ue-generic update

[sullen spoke]

it's really easy for me to update now but i'm just going to do it as and when i come across games i'm playing
not going to go hunting them down just for the sake of updating the info

[dusty girder]

I mean if its not a lot of grief and you're having fun programming, go for it

@regal kayak you ever look into those dragonball post-lutbuilder shaders

they might be a simple saturate removal, if thats the case they can get thrown into the /games/dbzkakorat/ folder

[regal kayak]

it was more complex when I looked before, but no I didn't look again

I can probably just scale and invert

[dusty girder]

if its a big ass complex shader

yea

its prolly scale and invert

idk if thats worth having in a universal mod, but its worth trying

in my experiance upgradetonemap doesnt play well with colorgrading sliders

like Berserker Khazan and SMT5 all have complex shaders post lutbuilder, and thats where I tonemap

[pastel sand]

Funny Nvidia catching this on a game that has not had support even for basic presets override on NVApp.

[last crypt]

anyone know what the icon means next to the name?

I cant type in the official DRG discord and there is no channel to get a role lol

[west canopy]

You could also try DRG survivor discord good chance someone might better know there

[silent skiff]

until dawn doesn't work, neither generic nor extended. generic clamps to ui brightness. extended sliders doesn't work and stays way below the peak i set, even with the ini changes but I somehow get close to double the fps i got with generic. Also the dump button didn't work in extended so I used the one from the generic addon

[dusty girder]

@silent skiff if those are ue-extended dumps all the lutbuilders are in the mod, you just have to configure it correctly

[open fulcrum]

the github game list is only for ue generic rite?

[dusty girder]

most stuff that works with generic works with extended; if it doesnt I'll add it

[open fulcrum]

also since no coments that just means plug n play rite

[dusty girder]

I added hifi rush

should just work

[open fulcrum]

aight

[dusty girder]

with these mods you dont really need a list, you just try it out; and if it doesnt work with the standard upgrades (rgb10a2 or bgr8 typeless)

just dump lutbuilders and life gud

[open fulcrum]

oh aight going forward i ll do dat

I might need some guidance on how to dump luts tho

[open fulcrum]

u basically use liliuim shader analysis rite

[dusty girder]

I mean if sliders like contrast or dechroma dont work that means

the lutbuilder is missing

if contrast works but the game is clamped, that means you're missing upgrades

[open fulcrum]

sometimes in these ue5 games it doesnt update real time no? like u got to do some weird stuff and aint tht also game specific hm?

[dusty girder]

yea there is an ini tweak

that lets you have realtime sliders

[/Script/Engine.RendererSettings]
r.LUT.UpdateEveryFrame=1

works in a bunch of ue5 games

[open fulcrum]

yo cool

whats it like for ue4 games?

same thing orr?

[dusty girder]

its the same for all games

[open fulcrum]

okay ty

would this apply if using u+ for an ex??

[dusty girder]

what does u+ have to do with anything?

[placid siren]

definitely not

hifi rush is custom

[dusty girder]

ah, I just added the lutbuilder

dont know anything about the game

peopel send a lutbuilder, I add it

also the wiki entry was somebody else adding it for the old ue-generic mod

[silent skiff]

I dumped with the old ue generic because somehow ue generic didn’t dump anything when I toggled the dump setting. I am pretty sure that I set it up correctly. Native hdr on, upgrade path off. I added the generate lut every frame line to the engine.ini and the sliders still don’t work. Did I miss anything?

[dusty girder]

if you want to dump lutbuilders with native hdr on in extended, enable the upgrade path temporarily

lutbuilders dont dump when the upgradepath is set to off

set path to on, native hdr on, get lutbuilders, turn path off

remember to restart the game

[silent skiff]

I’m pretty sure I tried that as well but I will check again after work

[dusty girder]

if these lutbuilders are from native hdr on, I dont need anything else

[austere root]

anything special i need to do for reanimal besides what GitHub says

looked pretty good maybe a bit of a black floor raise

[dusty girder]

idk I didnt play the game, if it looks good thats it I guess

[open fulcrum]

Vustom as in?

[dusty girder]

ok yea I see what its doing

in the lutbuilder, instead of the mobile tonemap branch; it has its own custom code run

  if (r0.w != 0) {
    r0.w = dot(r1.xyz, float3(0.212599993, 0.715200007, 0.0722000003));
    r1.w = cmp(cb0[67].y < r0.w);
    r2.x = -cb0[67].y + r0.w;
    r2.x = -cb0[67].z * r2.x;
    r2.x = r2.x / cb0[67].x;
    r2.y = cb0[67].x + -cb0[67].y;
    r2.x = 1.44269502 * r2.x;
    r2.x = exp2(r2.x);
    r2.x = -r2.y * r2.x + cb0[67].x;
    r2.xzw = r2.xxx * r1.xyz;
    r2.xzw = r2.xzw / r0.www;
    r2.xzw = r1.www ? r2.xzw : r1.xyz;
    r3.xyz = cmp(cb0[67].yyy < r1.xyz);
    r4.xyz = -cb0[67].yyy + r1.xyz;
    r4.xyz = -cb0[67].zzz * r4.xyz;
    r4.xyz = r4.xyz / cb0[67].xxx;
    r4.xyz = float3(1.44269502, 1.44269502, 1.44269502) * r4.xyz;
    r4.xyz = exp2(r4.xyz);
    r4.xyz = -r2.yyy * r4.xyz + cb0[67].xxx;
    r3.xyz = r3.xyz ? r4.xyz : r1.xyz;
    r2.xyz = -r3.xyz + r2.xzw;
    r2.xyz = cb0[67].www * r2.xyz + r3.xyz;
    r1.xyz = r2.xyz;

actually doing y from bt709; you know thats custom

its actually scaling stuff by Y, and I fed it into AI for fun

// ToneMap.hlsl
// Clean, readable version of the decompiled tonemapper.
// Maps cb0[67].x/y/z/w -> params.white, params.threshold, params.steepness, params.mix

cbuffer ToneMapCB : register(b0)
{
    float4 toneParams; // x = white, y = threshold, z = steepness, w = mix
};

static const float3 LUMA_WEIGHTS = float3(0.212599993, 0.715200007, 0.0722000003);
static const float INV_LN2 = 1.44269502; // 1 / ln(2)

struct ToneMapParams
{
    float white;
    float threshold;
    float steepness;
    float mix;
};

inline ToneMapParams GetToneParams()
{
    ToneMapParams p;
    p.white     = toneParams.x;
    p.threshold = toneParams.y;
    p.steepness = toneParams.z;
    p.mix       = toneParams.w;
    return p;
}

// Curve M(x) = W - (W - T) * 2^{ (1/ln2) * ( -S * (x - T) / W ) }
inline float CurveScalar(float x, ToneMapParams p)
{
    float d = x - p.threshold;
    float scaled = (-p.steepness * d) / p.white;
    float e = exp2(INV_LN2 * scaled);
    return p.white - (p.white - p.threshold) * e;
}

// Apply the tonemapper to an RGB color (r1.xyz in decompiled code).
// Returns mapped RGB.
float3 ToneMapColor(float3 color)
{
    ToneMapParams p = GetToneParams();

    // 1) luminance
    float L = dot(color, LUMA_WEIGHTS);

    // Early-out: if luminance is zero, return original color (matches r0.w != 0 guard)
    if (L == 0.0f)
        return color;

    // 2) luminance threshold test (r1.w = cmp(p.threshold < L))
    bool lumAbove = (L > p.threshold);

    // 3) luminance mapping M(L)
    float mappedL = CurveScalar(L, p);

    // 4) luminance-preserving RGB: scale RGB by k = M(L) / L
    float k = mappedL / max(L, 1e-6f);
    float3 lumScaledRGB = color * k;

    // Only use luminance-scaled RGB when luminance is above threshold (matches ternary in decompiled code)
    float3 lumPath = lumAbove ? lumScaledRGB : color;

    // 5) per-channel mapping (apply same curve per channel when channel > threshold)
    float3 channelAbove = step(p.threshold, color); // 1.0 where color component >= threshold
    float3 mappedChannel;
    mappedChannel.x = CurveScalar(color.x, p);
    mappedChannel.y = CurveScalar(color.y, p);
    mappedChannel.z = CurveScalar(color.z, p);
    float3 channelPath = lerp(color, mappedChannel, channelAbove);

    // 6) blend between luminance-preserving path and per-channel path
    // decompiled: out = p.mix * (lumPath - channelPath) + channelPath  => out = lerp(channelPath, lumPath, p.mix)
    float3 outColor = lerp(channelPath, lumPath, p.mix);

    return outColor;
}

its blending y and ch tm

very cool stuff, I think this is the first time I've seen bt709 constants in a UE lutbuilder

[sullen spoke]

@dusty girder is the code vein ii mod still it's own thing or would ue-extended do the same thing now?

[twilit lantern]

ACC and ACR looking alright with the generic UE addon. For ACC I couldn't find a spot where the sun is clearly in view but I imagine it would go up to 1k peak like it's supposed to. 🙂

[regal kayak]

there still isn't a solution for dq7 right?

[silent skiff]

I don't know why it didn't work yesterday but i got ue extended to dump now

But my frames are fucked now. got like 80-90 when i tried yesterday. Now only 30-40

[shell igloo]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1473379394973339842/1473379394973339842

[regal kayak]

oh thanks, I didn't realize that applied to vii too

[sullen spoke]

oh nice, i didn't know about this too

[dusty girder]

I suggest UE-Extended

[dusty girder]

@silent skiff dont play with dumplutbuilders on, turn it off

its a debug option that you only use for like 2 seconds

it kills your fps

[shell igloo]

wrong ping

[dusty girder]

sorry

[shell igloo]

don't worry about it lol

[quasi garden]

Manor Lords (UE-Extended SDR path)

[pale canopy]

Hey I have followed whatvi though were all the instructions to get ue extended to work with high on life 2 but I keep getting a black screen. Can someone steer me in the right direction?

[tranquil lava]

would be great if you could add borderlands 4 to ue extended 😄

[silent skiff]

Why don’t you use the mod from Jon?

[tranquil lava]

had an impression it is much more performance heavy but it isn't so bad !

[ebon dome]

can confirm UE Extended works great in Full Metal Schoolgirl - you're welcome lol

[twilit lantern]

Can games potentially be made UE extended compatible if we share the lutbuilder files? If so I‘d try doing that for the Assetto Corsa games

Or the other way around I mean, UE extended can be made compatible. My brain is fried after work.

[bold hawk]

Afaik, if it's not super custom, than yeah lutbilders will probably be enough to add game support

[indigo plank]

Yes

[dusty girder]

I'll get to these ltubuilders this week, I've been on a bit of a lutbuilder break playing Nioh3

[dusty girder]

@tranquil lava for borderlands you're better off using @regal kayak 's mod

that game does something weird, and he worked around it

[regal kayak]

Anybody know if days gone works?

Or is that game too custom maybe….

[covert python]

haven't tried because I assume it wouldn't work
it is very custom

[regal kayak]

It’s one of my fiancée’s favorite games to watch so I’ll be playing it again lol. Might just make a mod if it doesn’t work, just cause. Native is decent but knowing the issues unreal has I wonder if that’s not so true.

Could just be fine at the start of the game where people would have checked.

[covert python]

👀

would love a mod for it

[quasi garden]

i used ue-extended hdr path as game as a native hdr toggle?

[dusty girder]

yea, just remmber to restart the game after changing the ue-extended's path

[dapper sail]

Anyone have much luck with Sonic Racing: Crossworlds? Seems that only UI brightness affects anything and if you switch from hdr10 to scRGB everything just gets blown out. (I followed the upgrade recomended in the wiki)

[shell igloo]

for the game adr1ft

[regal kayak]

sliders don't work in real time

Unless you add this to the engine.ini

[/Script/Engine.RendererSettings]
r.LUT.UpdateEveryFrame=1```

[dapper sail]

turns out that the game is not a big fan of that lol:

[regal kayak]

Wild

Didn’t know that even could fail

But yeah you have to load into an entire different track to trigger the lutbuilder again iirc

[polar crest]

@rustic lichen @slim fractal how do you setup reno extended on stellar blade ?

[regal kayak]

Isn’t it automatically setup with latest?

[dapper sail]

disregard that, was using renodxchecker and somehow accidentally installed both ue and ue-extended causing the visual glitch, all g now.

[dusty girder]

holy shit I wonder if draw lut every frame is the reason behind some UE 5.5 games artifacting in some ui elements when running the ini path

nope

[dapper sail]

kind of thinking that this game is one of those cases where going RTX HDR/AutoHDR is probably the move. added the UpdateEveryFrame to the ini, but doesn't seem to change. Even restarting tracks it seems like there's no changes on the sliders whatsoever

[regal kayak]

it's possible something changed with updates. I'm the one that added the support

I haven't played it since launch

[eager lynx]

@dusty girder if you haven't already, upgrade your XeFG/LL to SDK 3.0

[dusty girder]

I beat code vein 2

[eager lynx]

HUDfix not needed anymore

[dusty girder]

not using XeSS FG /opti in anything else rn

whenever I play another game with opti/xess I assume it will come with the latest dlls; if not I'll look for 3.0

[eager lynx]

Whenever you do again, be sure to use latest Xe dlls 😉

[dusty girder]

does opti not update nightlies with latest dlls?

[eager lynx]

Likely next Opti release will indeed pack them

No reason not to 🙂

[dusty girder]

ye so we're good then

thanks for the heads up though

[eager lynx]

But there's something going on with fakenvapi, likely fixed soon tho

[eager lynx]

We do be good 🙂 Intel cooked man

[dusty girder]

for sure, I loved xess fg in CV2

it will def be a go to

[eager lynx]

Their new handling of hud elements is crazy good

Like in GTA5E I couldn't tell the difference between hudless resource toggled on or off

[dusty girder]

nice

[ebon dome]

so quick question - it seems to have worked but if a game has HDR already as a setting in-game, do we just need to use the updateluteveryframe cvar for extended?

[slim fractal]

Per channel peak 1 and blowout 65

[twilit lantern]

uhhh am i dumb where are lutbuilders buing dumped

i thought there'd be a folder or somethign in the game install location

ah wait now it worked lol

[celest ferry]

Anyo9ne know what it means when Reno makes the scren flicker in Monster Hunter Stories 3 even with FG off

[brave gull]

Ask in wilds thread

[celest ferry]

Can’t find..

[regal kayak]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1451965513671508110/1451965513671508110

[celest ferry]

Oh shoot I said Wilds I mean Stories 3

Sorry yeah I’m aware it’s Stories 3 I can’t find

[regal kayak]

ah lmao

[twilit lantern]

assetto corsa rally

corrected this is acc with ue extended, both assetto corsas are tweaking out with it

[sullen spoke]

Nobody Wants to Die UE-Extended support added in RDXC

[peak galleon]

what is rdxc?

[sullen spoke]

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1474481327691665553

[pale canopy]

What could be causing the lights and brighter areas in high on life 2 to be nonstop flickering?

[bleak nest]

Frame Gen with RenoDX does that.

Grab #1413548071987576862

[austere root]

cant get returnal to work i followed mod isntructions i though

[sullen spoke]

high on life 2 works with engine.ini hdr and ue-extended renodx so you can continue to use framegen

[ebon dome]

ue-extended is much better than the native reno build for Steel Seed that's on the wiki - it looks good

[wicked parrot]

one question guys, the r.lut.updateveryframe=1 works with the sdr path?

[dusty girder]

yea

[viral lintel]

installed this with medal eden using DLSS Quality Preset M and 2x Framegen. Looks great! Looking forward to trying out this game that I got on sale

[austere root]

I got it working and god damn might be one of the better HDR games out

[viral lintel]

big improvement vs the native HDR implementation? Been a while since I played this one but I seem to remember it looking pretty good out of the box in HDR

[austere root]

I honestly never tried it lol

@viral lintel

[lone bay]

I tested Moons of Madness with RenoDX UE. It's working with "Upgrade Copy Destinations On" and "B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS"

[austere root]

@viral lintel native is good too almost ITM contrast though

[lone bay]

there is a bug with texts on the biogage

[sullen spoke]

@dusty girder everspace 2 ue-extended

[dusty girder]

where there any non-new shaders?

if lutbuilders dump, give me the entire folder

not just new

[sullen spoke]

there man, never done it before, will know now

[dusty girder]

ty

with extended the old ones make it ez to add new ones

[ebon dome]

I may be doing this wrong but this was the only file that showed up for Cloudheim when I lut dumped - ue-extended doesn't work at all and it's clamped on regular ue reno

[dusty girder]

I'll add these in a few days

[dusty girder]

that means the shader already built into the mod

you need to upgrade resources if you're following the sdr path

like R10G10B10A2 _unorm -> output size

[ebon dome]

I was using the hdr cvar ini path but that wasn't working, I'll try the sdr path

that did it - sdr path worked - thanks~👍

[dusty girder]

this isnt a lutbuilder, idk why it dumped that

[dusty girder]

added the backlog of lutbuilders, now just gotta wait for github to compile

[toxic latch]

what happens if we are running native hdr and missing some luts (the game lags with sdr + dumped luts)?

does the game look different than its supposed to?

i mean to ask will i notice much of a difference without them

[placid siren]

it breaks

stellar blade and clair33 are known to look different when using hdr via ini

not all scenes, just whatever the game decides to do custom

they don't have to go through lutbuilder to do custom stuff

and you wouldn't even know you're not getting the proper visual output

[toxic latch]

Not sure if my understanding is correct, but it seems like a bit of a compromise to play the game with lag in sdr to build the luts - then have to upload and have them fixed so the game can later look and run properly in native hdr 😅

Is my lag an anamoly. I was playing High on Life 2 and if I had dumped luts the game would lag when I looked in certain directions. Some recent-ish version of ue-extended.

[quasi garden]

Youre not supposed to play with it perma-on

[toxic latch]

you have to restart to turn it off right?

[quasi garden]

Yep

[toxic latch]

how can you even be sure you get all the luts 😅

hdr sure is complicated

[dusty girder]

you're never supposed to play with dump lutbuilders on, its a pretty big perf hit

you turn it on, fast travel to the areas you've unlocked in a game, and turn it off

if there is a new lutbuilder down the line the mod doesnt have, it will be visible and you re-enable dump lutbuilders!

[placid siren]

because it'll be in SDR if you missed one

unless you're doing hdr ini path, then you'll likely not know

[dusty girder]

the ini path is for advanced users, but yea the average person will have a hard time telling between extended and generic aces 1000 if there is a missing lutbuilder

I guses the fastest tell would be gamma correction, since the hdr path does that in the lutbuilder for the game render

[charred solstice]

can't Lut dump miss? in one UE game, the game was HDR, but character screen was SDR in reno.

[crude tiger]

Am I supposed to force HDR on in the ini file for Oblivion Remastered?

[placid siren]

#1426742236804022484

[slim fractal]

Hi ! I tried UE extended with the game tempest rising and I had black screen at launch so I had to Upgrade R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size and when I change a setting it seems to affect only the UI

[dusty girder]

[/Script/Engine.RendererSettings]
r.LUT.UpdateEveryFrame=1

in engine.ini (or load a new scene)

[slim fractal]

I can't find the engine.ini in the game file

[dusty girder]

make it

and set it to read only

make an engine.ini file in the same location as gameusersettings.ini (and make it read only)

[slim fractal]

Ok done but it's still the same.

[dusty girder]

if you set dechroma to 100, and restart the game

what happens

[slim fractal]

nothing

[dusty girder]

that means the luts are missing, enable dump lutbuilders, restart the game, and upload them here

[slim fractal]

explain to me how plz 😅

[dusty girder]

in a bit, I got something to do

[slim fractal]

I know 🤣

[dusty girder]

but in renodx you enable dump lutbuilders

restart the game

go tot he areas that dont work

the close the game

in the game folder there should be a /renodx/ folder now

upload all the files in that folder here

and I'll get around to adding the shaders to the mod

[slim fractal]

it's "dump lut shadder" in reno ?

[dusty girder]

yes

ima brb

[slim fractal]

ok thank you !

[dusty girder]

added, just wait an hour for github to compile the new snapshot

[meager cliff]

hi guys, in my case on the midnight walk the peak brightness is controlled via UI brightness slider and the game brightness and peak brightness slider doesn't have any effect

even though it's mentioned on he repo that it's supported in this game

in case you need these

[slim fractal]

Thanks a lot ! 🙏

[mental lagoon]

hi, not sure if im doing this 100% right but these are the lutbuilders i got from ready or not with dump lutbuilders enabled, sliders do nothing except ui brightness which does game brightness instead

[teal quail]

I used the latest ue extended renodx addon with Octopath Traveler 0 + the Engine.ini + OT0Fix on CachyOS Handheld.

Tone Mapper set to UE Filmic Extended.
Upgrade Path Off. Everything set to default.

It seems to be compatible and works a lot better than the original UE addon. With the original, certain colors got very over exposed (like wind effects and snow) that the upgrade path didn't fix. With this one, there's no issues.

OT0 uses UE5 as well.

Oddly looks a lot clearer in battle (the sprites had a weird bloom on them, especially during the day) than just native game.

[placid siren]

ue extended doesn't use the sdr (vanilla) render path, so you could be missing effects

didn't kno you you pinned this. should make a new thread, fyi. it's confusing to people

UE4 games dont respect ini tweaks; use the sdr path for them -- UE5 gud

and this is very misleading

[teal quail]

I'll have to try it on windows. I only say that because there's some weird things that go on with other mods that don't on windows. I got the DQ7R UE Extended addon to work on windows without the UI looking dull, but, on linux, nothing seems to work/fix it. And that's a linux problem.)

[teal quail]

I compared both (one using just native, then the SDR->HDR path, then the engine.ini method) and the effects are still all there.

The tonemapping in SDR is just a "make everything slightly whiter than it needs to be." The HDR stuff just corrects that.

[peak galleon]

reanimal was insane with this

[dusty girder]

@placid siren I told you weeks ago, but I'll make a new thread until it ready to PR

[brave gull]

Anyone managed to get ue mod running with gtfo? ik it's got some sorta ac or something there anyway to get around it?

[indigo plank]

GTFO is unity

[brave gull]

oh oops lol tested it a little bit ago forgot it was unity since it's a higher graphical quality than typical unity

[indigo plank]

Yeah lol it worked with unity generic last time I played

[brave gull]

okay yeah i tried it again and it worked fine maybe i tried unreal

[quasi garden]

United Penguin Kingdom (UE4 SDR Upgrade)

[slim fractal]

Hello

Where is the link for UE extended, I don't see it on the pinned posts anymore ?

[meager cliff]

probably will be on a new thread

[full zodiac]

Would there be any hope for flashing artifacts to get fixed in Tales of Arise ? Reno looks great, but I'm on my way to getting blind...

[placid siren]

#1413548071987576862

[dusty girder]

that game doesnt have dlss

there is an actual bug

iirc its something with the proxy shader, idr the details

but with certain settings, stuff glitches out

[placid siren]

sounds like missing upgrade

like a lower res bump

idk if UE has auto upgrade

or it's just alpha stuff

[meager knot]

Using Reshade 6.5.1+ with renodx-unrealengine.addon64 on Hogwarts Legacy causes a black screen. Is there a way to fix it? I also used DLSS Enabler.

[full zodiac]

Maybe flashes wasn't the best way to describe it. More like super bright white spots appering on stuff in the distance. Think battlefield's scope flare's multiplied by 10 000.

[full zodiac]

Ok. Luma hdr gets me crashes. Reno hdr gets me flashbangs. Autohdr gets me acne. The whole situation is giving me a headache.

This is a fucking conspiracy

[full zodiac]

OMG I found a work around

Some stuff in the distance dosn't get drawn properly when using reno for some reason

You get the flashbangs on those spots

So I just brute forced every draw distance and LOD stuff in the engine.ini file like a madman

No more missing distant terrain

No more flashbangs !

[west canopy]

Can you share the .ini please

[next lion]

Has anyone gotten this working in Dragon Quest 7: Reimagined?
I set r.LUT.UpdateEveryFrame=1, but still the only sliders that do anything are peak luminance and UI luminance.

[next lion]

... huh

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/main/src/games/unrealengine/lutbuilders/sm5/lutbuilder_0x2F460105.cs_5_x.hlsl

I don't get it. That's already there supposedly.

[placid siren]

japanese games are almost always custom. meaning it could just not run the lut. ui and peak nits on the final pass shader

[next lion]

That sucks 🙁

[regal kayak]

there's a separate mod for it https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1473379394973339842/1473379394973339842

[next lion]

Oh, yay.

[left ferry]

The sliders etc take effect after changing the game brightness

I think the unreal addon should work too

[next lion]

Skintones are weird, and the fact that you have to go into the settings and change the brightness for anything to take effect makes this difficult 😕

[dusty girder]

the draw lut every frame thing is ue5 only

there are a few ue4 games that have per-scene lutbuilders

and it doesnt seem to do shit in them

lies of p re-draws the lut builder going in and out of the equip menu

[next lion]

The UI looks nice and not desaturated though 🙂 Kind of the opposite of most of the times I use RenoDX, where the dim UI looks very dull because it's so much dimmer than the scene.

Now it's the scene that's dull and desaturated.

[next lion]

PsychoTM fixed the wrong skintones mostly.

Working nicely now.
I noticed the AddOn itself doesn't upgrade a lot of the RenderTargets, thankfully the game's D3D11 so SK can do that on its own.

[full zodiac]

Sure !

[sullen spoke]

@dusty girder the sinking city remastered
game mostly works but some ui luts were missing by the look of it

[full zodiac]

By the way, make sure you use AriseSDK (cvar unlocker mod) with this. It might not work as intended otherwise. And you're probably doing that already, but don't forget to use Luma UE mod for sweet DLSS (or FSR) antialiasing. That helps the presentation a lot. Preset K is super stable, runs better, and fits the painterly aesthetic better I think. Presret M gets pretty aliased in this game.

[west canopy]

oh interesting, thanks a lot. Have to write this down lol. Not playing atm but it was on my benched ps5 backlog for a while. After I learned hdr can be added-on/improved, i got no reason to go back to the console version. Seems to be quite a setup with this one, but worth it

[full zodiac]

It really is. Quite a few hoops to get through but the game looks significantly better for it. I even ironed out some minor (but imo distacting since blazing sword related) grading weirdness by tweaking Reno settings. Don't hesitate to ask if you wan't me to share the preset !

[austere root]

did you just use the settings on the mod page with reanimal?

I have that version setup and yeah it's pretty good wonder if there is a better way I am not familer with UE extended

[peak galleon]

yeah

i didnt use extended, just normal

i've never seen a game look better in hdr on an oled, it was that good

[dusty girder]

I'll get to it later, also I need to make a UE-Extended forum

its getting confusing talking about 2 mods here

I guess eventually there will be only one, but still

[eager lynx]

@dusty girder , In the Wiki, about Kena, it says FMVs are clamped to UI brightness slider level, is there a chance you'd add an autoHDR/fakeHDR slider to UE Generic for FMVs ? I suppose reshade makes it possible for addons to detect when they're played back ?

[dusty girder]

thats something thats not planned

if we forget about the code, I'm not a fan of autohdr on movies

[eager lynx]

Neither am I tbh, but I can't think of a way to get them fmvs simply brighter

Since RenoDX doesn't support hotkeys for preset switching

[dusty girder]

I mean a fmv is literally just a movie file with no information; keeping it at game nits is imo ideal

[eager lynx]

But it's not a game nits, it's at UI nits

[dusty girder]

oh true, mine are usually the same

[eager lynx]

And I lower this down to 100 often

So it's really inconvenient

[dusty girder]

on the bright side most games do in-engine cutscenes for like everything now

[eager lynx]

Not a deal breaker ofc but can have a negative impact if not factoring it in when setting up for a game

[dusty girder]

but yea jokes aside not planned

[eager lynx]

Too bad but I'll just adapt my values

[dusty girder]

its something that would probably have to be maintained on a game - by -game basis, digging for more shaders

and if the movie is bright, imo its kinda meh

even with a low peak like 400

[eager lynx]

Indeed, just 100 is too low for continuity and immersion

Hopefully tho eventually RenoDX will just support presets hotkeys

That would solve it in just a sec for any user aware of such cases

[eager lynx]

@placid siren is that planned or considered ?

[placid siren]

need to how to listen for keyboard events, if on present or queued or something. no idea how that works

[eager lynx]

Doesn't reshade itself have support for addons to register their own hotkeys and reshade handles the listening ?

[placid siren]

i don't think it's passed through

[eager lynx]

Ah, bummer

[placid siren]

i think i have something in there for dx9 anyway with listening for window messages

but no idea what the right way is

could just ai slop it

[eager lynx]

Or you could ask @next lion or @short wedge instead 😉

Human Learning > Machine Learning

So one such snippet for each reno preset ?

Or that could only allow to cycle through them ?

Makes sense

[dusty girder]

the only thing I wish we got "imgui wise" is for reno to remember if you're using preset 1/2/3

right now if I close the game on preset 2 and launch it again, it will go back to preset 1

so I make sure 1 is what I actually play the game in

[flat hazel]

anyone tested retro rewind on steam?

[solar prairie]

Hi. Was wondering where can we find the latest ver of the ue-extended mod. Ty

[dusty girder]

https://marat569.github.io/renodx/renodx-ue-extended.addon64

[brave gull]

oh it's on github now nice

[dusty girder]

there was a snapshot up since day 1

[storm lodge]

[opal rock]

Would be nice.
Post the settings inside reshade, or just screenshot of the values on reno UI please ❤️

@dusty girder next gonna test Legacy of Kain Defiance Remastered. seems unreal engine, might be worth a try. gona dump the Lut's right?

[dusty girder]

give it a go, might work

[opal rock]

just vanilla?

aye anyway, when im free, gonna test it, and will post results❤️

[full zodiac]

Of course !
Gamma correction : 2.2
Blowout restoration : 50
Hue correction : 100
Highlight : 51 (optional)
Contrast : 51 (optional)
Saturation : 51
Highlight saturation : 50.7
Blowout : 30

Highlight and contrast are optional slight tweak for tiny pop boost. The rest is necessary for tone match between SDR and HDR and to correct the blazing sword ultra diepfried red spots (without washing it out). To enter the 50.7 value, use ctrl + left click. Yes it shows as 51 after you press enter, but the value aplies correctly nonetheless.

[thick belfry]

@dusty girder Mortal Kombat 1 has the same issue as Stellar Blade, HDR path has the broken colors, ini trewaks don't work, SDR path with upgreads looks correct byt the UI is broken, any ideas how to fix it?
Attaching LUTbuilder just in case

Config

ForceBorderless=1
PreventFullscreen=1
SettingsMode=2
Set_Path=1
Upgrade_B10G10R10A2_UNORM=0
Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS=1
Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_UNORM=0
Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_UNORM_SRGB=0
Upgrade_CopyDestinations=1
Upgrade_R10G10B10A2_TYPELESS=0
Upgrade_R10G10B10A2_UNORM=1
Upgrade_R11G11B10_FLOAT=0
Upgrade_R16G16B16A16_TYPELESS=1
Upgrade_R8G8B8A8_SNORM=0
Upgrade_R8G8B8A8_TYPELESS=0
Upgrade_R8G8B8A8_UNORM=0
Upgrade_R8G8B8A8_UNORM_SRGB=0
Upgrade_SwapChainCompatibility=0
Upgrade_UseSCRGB=0```

[placid siren]

_new means missing

need to automate the conversion thing

or wait until marat is finished to put it in the sdr path

[left ferry]

What was the issue with Stellar Blade 🤔

[thick belfry]

#🧪lab message

[left ferry]

interesting, I think I fixed that yesterday. Do you mind help me verify the fix?

it was a color space mismatch

[placid siren]

it needs the clip/hue to make it yellower

[left ferry]

what does "relies on per channel hue" mean

[placid siren]

ue extended doesn't do the per channel correction thing in unrealengine version

just extends the color linearly instead of curving like SDR does

in sdr, red turns yellow as it gets brighter because it curves in per-channel

hence more red in highlights in UE extended

the opening scene in Stellar Blade makes it obvious because the sand is really red in texture

jusant is another game that relies on whatever the hell is going on with the SDR tonemapper

[left ferry]

the "per channel correction" is a part of the lutbuilder's code before Filmic Tonemapping, right?

[placid siren]

after

it merges untonemapped, tonemapped, and sdr

[thick belfry]

Sure, where did you post it?

[left ferry]

Its a personal build I tried, to have both renodx + framegen (I dunno if dlss-fix works in this game)

[placid siren]

dlssfix is tested with sb demo

[left ferry]

My setting is Engine.ini

r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=1
r.HDR.Display.OutputDevice=4
r.HDR.Display.ColorGamut=2
r.HDR.UI.CompositeMode=1

HDR on in game.

[left ferry]

Thanks, probably my custom addon is not needed but I am still curious what happened in these lutbuilders, so still good

[placid siren]

sdr / ue-default options (+dlssfix) / just hue shift

interesting that you don't need any upgrades with dlssfix at all

sdr / strength 0 / strength 100 with 0 hue shift / strength 100 + 100 hue shift

[left ferry]

What is the hueshift source, the sdr used for upgradetonemap?

[placid siren]

the sdr tonemapper and i'm sure some other stuff, maybe a lut. unrealengine build doesn't really check for lut

it's just tonemappass

but yellow is mostly clip

sdr / grading 100-0-0-0-100 (recommended) / 0 strength

[thick belfry]

It's still hue shifting in the highlights, fire becomes red/pinkish
SDR / stellarblade renodx defaults

[left ferry]

yeah its my custom addon, not "renodx" representative

[placid siren]

the unrealengine is the safer, general-usage one, because UE can get very cursed with reliance on SDR curves

the luts can be handled better though

i don't know why i don't need bgra8 anymore. i thought i did for SB

maybe it's handled automatically because dlssfix now

so there's no resource upgrade going on at all, even swapchain. just the colorspace change and dlssfix remapping the device pointers

in game 80fps, before 4x dlss

with debug builds

yeah, tanks to 50fps with bgr8a upgrade

[left ferry]

4k without DLSS/DLAA?

[placid siren]

eh, seems the same 50-60fps. maybe there's no bgr8 anymore if they updated

pre dlss fps

seems unchanged though

i thought the game needed bgr8

huh it's the UI that's bgra8

render is rgb10.6

[alpine ermine]

Hello, I'm using https://marat569.github.io/renodx/renodx-ue-extended.addon64 with Wuchang, but if I enable framegen, I get flickering on highlights.
Could someone help to find what do I need to add/setup in order to get rid of it?
Before, I tested Jon's reno (discussion here https://discordapp.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1411093417013805246/1483982588048707775), I hadn't flickering issues with framegen, but I had another issue regarding shadow areas in cutscene being blue instead of black. He advised me to switch to ue extended.
So here I am, asking for help :)^

[pearl kraken]

Hi, this lutbuilder file is for devs to add compatibility or we can do it ourselves ?

[swift plover]

for devs

[pearl kraken]

Then this is for Bellwright. Already got shared a while ago, this one is fresh tho.

[opal rock]

Thank you, i also downloaded your engine.ini. since i use an optimized oe, do you know which value you actually tuned for reno hdr?

[opal rock]

@full zodiac

[next lion]

You have full access to ImGui in ReShade AddOns.

[placid siren]

but not the runtime always, so i have to pick a point when to choose a runtime

[full zodiac]

Those I indicated in my message. Don't forget to put reno in advanced mode to see all settings. Also, whatever values you use in your engine.ini, don't forget to use AriseSDK (get on nexus) and max out all setting related to draw distance and LOD. Otherwise you're going get flashbangs in the face while using Reno. I've nearly gone blind myself lol.

Other Reno settings I haven't mentioned should remain at default values

[dusty girder]

@placid siren ue-extended had sdr support for like weeks now, addon.cpp is basically a copy-paste of ue-generic (minus colorgrading sliders ofc)

default funcitonality out of the box is to use the sdr path with upgrades, unless the addon has defaults for a certain game to use the build in native hdr slider (like Mafia or Avowed)

the ini path stuff is just an option avaliable to power users, not something I activly encourage

the goal is to use either the sdr path, or the game's native hdr if possible

[placid siren]

the ini path stuff is just an option avaliable to power users, not something I activly encourage

#1411800884303626311 message

literally the opposite here

if a game had a native hdr setting, try using that first, and make sure Upgrade Path is off
--> if the game is known good, it should set the path to off itself

[dusty girder]

@thick belfry

@indigo plank was the one who commited MK1 support, and iirc you're supposed to play the game with the ingame native hdr slider on with ue-extended

if thats still griefed, I can add those lutbuilders later for fun

[placid siren]

meaning native hdr ini is default/suggested

[dusty girder]

yea I need to re-write the post

I wrote that before sdr support

[placid siren]

hence when i unpinned it because it's misleading people

that was the only pin here

[dusty girder]

yea, I needed to write up a better one, so thanks

[placid siren]

and i'm pretty sure RDXC sets ini as well, or suggests it

[dusty girder]

cant comment on what that does

[thick belfry]

Ye I've tried that, the colors are fucked

[dusty girder]

either way the sdr path is the default path/behavior

unless the game has a default in addon.cpp (like avowed) to use the ingame hdr

and trying out the ingame native hdr is suggested, since the way UE works chances are the lutbuilders + composite shader are there

[indigo plank]

weirdge it looked fine for me with native hdr path, maybe a bit more contrasty in some areas

[dusty girder]

did you remove the ini tweaks?

[pearl kraken]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/L4mUxg44EiYSL2JR8

Is this supposed to happen ? (UI slider controlling the whole brightness)

[thick belfry]

I didn't make any, I just started the game with addon
ini tweaks didn't do anything, not sure if the game even reads them

[dusty girder]

@placid siren

the only issue ue-extended has when it comes to games is:

1. if games are on the legacy tm
   -> workaround can just be dropping contrast to 40, since thats more or less what the legacy/mobile TM is

2. the 2 games with arri luts
   -> those would probably be better off with per-game mods
   --> I can probably add a block of code to handle the arri luts; but its not something I'd want to maintain unless it becomes more common

bonus: I need to set some logic up to hide certain sliders depending on the "path" the addon takes
(hide upgrade sliders when in the hdr path, hide rcas/ui gamma correction/etc sliders when game is in the sdr path)

[dusty girder]

ya and then turn native hdr on

thats all you need to do according to nick

is your addon+reshade up to date?

[thick belfry]

That's what I did

[thick belfry]

From today

[dusty girder]

strange idk, if you set the addon to advanced, is the upgrade path slider set to off?

the addon should default to off/hdr path for MK1

[placid siren]

@dusty girder SB doesn't need bgr8a. seems that's just UI

[dusty girder]

interesting

[placid siren]

unless those are effects

no upgrades needed with dlssfix

[dusty girder]

stellar blade is better on the sdr path

[indigo plank]

i'll reinstall the game and look again but yeah, didn't need to do anything fancy for mk1

[dusty girder]

ohh here is a funny bug I found

MK1's product name has a trademark logo

which doesnt work with the array of defaults

so I had to use MK1.exe to set the defaults

@thick belfry send me reshade.log

chances are if the exe isnt MK1.exe, the defaults didnt set, and its griefed

so if you're on a different store, you might be slightly griefed

[dusty girder]

maybe there was an update?

[dusty girder]

@alpine ermine if you want to use the ini path with wu chang and UE Extended, under advanced change "Upgrade Path" to off, and restart the game; assuming engine.ini is properly edited; wu chang works just fine

wu chang defaults to the sdr path with resource upgrades, which causes the game to flicker; ini tweaks are required if you want to get fg going

[dusty girder]

it might be a store issue, we wont know until he sends reshade.log

[dusty girder]

there is no addon

it is mk12.exe though on steam

[thick belfry]

?

Anyway I will have screenshots in 15min

[dusty girder]

this log has no addon loaded

press home and go to info

double check

even ctrl+f reno doesnt show anything

maybe your addon path is griefed

[opal rock]

r.Shadow.DistanceScale → me = 4.0 / you = 1.5

r.DepthOfFieldQuality → me = 0 / you = 5

r.StaticMeshLODDistanceScale → me = 0.25 / you = 0
those are the only ones related to lod and draw distance, which basically are different than your engini.ini. "Otherwise you're going get flashbangs" maybe cause you use DOF?

[full zodiac]

Nope. It's Reno related. Some stuff doesn't get drawn properly with reno. So we force max draw distance as a brute force work around

[opal rock]

no i mean, what makes reno corrupt the game like that. want to isolate what exactly breaks it, or better, what fixes it

[full zodiac]

r.Shadow.DistanceScale = 4.0
You shouldn't be using over 2.0. You're shadow resolution get's divided by shadow distance scale so you just divided your shadow resolution by 4

Default resolution for CSMs is 4096

Max supported resolution is 8192

So if you double csm resolution with 8192, you can push shadow distance scale up to 2.0 without harming shadow resolution

You're probably using engine.ini from "highest quality" mod on nexus. So you're good on your draw distance. But his shadow settings cause issues in game.

[opal rock]

yea

@full zodiac so basically you suggest just r.Shadow.DistanceScale 2?

then im good basically

[full zodiac]

Exactly
Your effective shadow resolution is csm max res divided by distance scale

[thick belfry]

@dusty girder @indigo plank
SDR / UE extended defaults (in game HDR ON)

[opal rock]

; Shadows
r.ShadowQuality=6
r.Shadow.CSM.MaxCascades=16 ; Maximum cascades for directional light
r.Shadow.MaxResolution=8192 ; Ultra high-resolution shadows
r.Shadow.MaxCSMResolution=8192
r.Shadow.RadiusThreshold=0.05
r.Shadow.CSM.TransitionScale=2
r.Shadow.SpotLightTransitionScale=8192
r.Shadow.TexelsPerPixel=32 ; High texel density for sharp shadows
r.Shadow.DistanceScale=4.0
r.Shadow.FilterMethod=2 ; Highest-quality PCSS soft shadows

[full zodiac]

But I would delete shadow settings other than csm res and distances cale. They cause very weird shadow bugs in game

[indigo plank]

feels like it needs lower contrast

[full zodiac]

; Shadows
r.Shadow.MaxResolution=8192 ; Ultra high-resolution shadows
r.Shadow.MaxCSMResolution=8192
r.Shadow.CSM.TransitionScale=2
r.Shadow.SpotLightTransitionScale=8192

I would keep only this. The rest comes with bugs and ugly artifacts

[opal rock]

and delete all the rest?

[full zodiac]

Just shadow stuff. The rest is good

[opal rock]

yee i mean from shadows paragraph

[full zodiac]

If you trust in my pain, yes

Trial and error

[opal rock]

oh, i love your pain 😂

[dusty girder]

no something is wrong

his peak is 1000, but the channels are overshooting to 1600+

that means there is a shader that comes after native hdr

also the APL is super high

[opal rock]

@full zodiac actually im pretty sad, cause display commander developer might need to shut down its project, just in time i was learning how to use it properly 🙁

[full zodiac]

What ? Why ? Just when it was getting awesome😭

[opal rock]

exactly, today we did many stuffs, and he was refining it alot, but seems some licensing problem came out, and Kaldaien said something like that, which i think, should be special K dev

Dunno much about devs of these projects, but when he popped out saying about licensing, he basically said to either shut or write the plugin anew, like starting a new project. so was really something, as he reated like that really fast, must be special k dev, since he said he used SK code or something on that line

[dusty girder]

@thick belfry is the sdr here the game with no mods, or native hdr on and extended set to "SDR" ?

[opal rock]

@full zodiac Sorry closing my little offtopic,you can check it out on DC thread

[full zodiac]

Just did. We're fine. Needs to make a new version and a new thread for license compliance issues. He doesn't seem to be spelling doom for the project. Just mild annoyance.

[dusty girder]

the mk1 lutbuilder doesnt do anything special

[opal rock]

lets hope!

[thick belfry]

SDR means SDR
100% American-made standard dynamic range pixels

[dusty girder]

just making sure

do the sliders do anything, like contrast?

[full zodiac]

Well it's pmnox own words, so I think we're gonna be fine in the end.

[dusty girder]

also does UI brightness raise the game's peak/change the game's image in general

[thick belfry]

All the siders work byt that's besides the point
it looks like UE extended just stretches the SDR to PQ and then tonemaps it back to tone map it back

[dusty girder]

well thats not what it does

[thick belfry]

If you would disable gamut compression, it would look the same as SDR

[dusty girder]

I can kill gamut expansion

I kill gamut expansion in all games

well sm6 games

didnt do sm5 yet since its a bit more annoying

the issue is

regardless of gamut expansion, the game going over peak

is an issue

since displaymapping is the very last thing ue-extended does

if you get a color above peak, something went very wrong

[thick belfry]

SDR path for the good measure

But the UI is fucked

Main menu screen / character select too

[alpine ermine]

Thanks a lot this did the trick!
But I feel the black floor is very high (it seems it's higher than reno wuchang).
Is there some slider I could play with to get blacks closer to 0 nits?
I've tried to play with lut strength but I guess putting it back to 0 is like having vanilla HDR

And lowering shadows is fixing it, but it seems I loose quite some info especially during the 1st cutscene

[dusty girder]

did you restart the game? also the black floor should be pretty faithful to the original, but you can increase contrast a bit

[dusty girder]

that means the composite is fucked somehow; maybe a bad decompile idk

but I killed expandgamut for fun, try it out; even though idk if its going to make a big enough difference

@thick belfry

[thick belfry]

No change

[dusty girder]

figured, there is an issue with the composite shader; tbh potentially the game as a whole

I'll add the sdr path shaders later

well the native hdr path that is

[alpine ermine]

Yes I've restarted the game after setting "upgrade path" to off (scene was indeed washed out)
But I correct myself, lowering shadows doesn't kill the details in dark areas (i mixed up with wuchan reno i think).
With shadows at 15 it's just perfect (at least in the cave during gameplay and 1st cutscene). I'll try with these values.

[dusty girder]

btw with peak 450 you want to lower paper white

200 paper white is a bit high

but use whatever you like

[alpine ermine]

You mean "game brightness" in reno sliders? If so I already try to lower it, but it lowers all the scene, even highlights, and I never get 450 highlights if I lower it.

[bronze pumice]

Tried Lies of P with the extended mod but game has some custom brightness and contrast options so UI slider work but peak,game and other sliders doesn't.

Good thing is normally game has a minimum brightness of 0.087, mod fixes it

when I use upgrade path options it just breaks and doesn't render anything other than ui

Sadly with default in-game settings it crushes blacks so bad

[alpine ermine]

Back to shadows 50... turns out it was just the 1st cave that is with black level raised.
Seems to be all good with default settings. Thanks!

[austere root]

Thus is a pretty bold claim we are pretty far through ut does look great but not ina traditional hdr way. The cinema neon sign is really dope though

[dusty girder]

@bronze pumice lies of p doesnt have real time sliders, as in everything works but the game only properly updates when you open equipment and exit

also lies of p requires native hdr on with extended

[bronze pumice]

Ah, thanks for the clarification. What about the in game hdr sliders tho? Are those supposed to be at middle?

[dusty girder]

they shouldnt do anything

but just to be safe leave them on the default values

[thick patio]

So do you make it work fine?

[dapper sail]

Unfortunately no 🙁 easily one of the most finnicky games in terms of getting hdr to work, even though it's one of those that would benefit the most from it.

I think it may be one of the few use cases where RTX HDR is probably the easiest path forward

[viral lintel]

Chatgpt suggested that I could use the generic unreal renodx patch for other games (even if they arent unreal engine). I wanted to try it on geometry wars 3 which I believe is a directx 9 title. Long story short, I couldnt even get reshade to work properly. Anyone ever play geometry wars 3 with any sort of HDR (Special K, Renodx, etc?)

[covert python]

generic unreal is for ue4 / 5
looks like geometry wars 3 uses an in-house engine

[peak galleon]

Play the whole game before judging, in the dark on OLED

Suits the art style perfectly

[twilit lantern]

How exactly do I know if a game already works flawlessly with the generic mod? When it looks alright and Lilium analysis shows the correct peak brightness?

[deep wedge]

@dusty girder New Lutbuilder for Wuchang

Lutbuilders for Sifu

In wuchang, I get a washed out image with engine ini hdr tweak and upgrade set to off. Setting it to on fixes the washed out image but I get the flicker

Is there any fix for this?

[alpine ermine]

Do you have HDR enabled or disabled in game settings?
I'm at loss, I've reinstalled everything (for other reasons), and now lilium analysis is telling me it's SDR. I thought we had to set it disabled, but i need to enable it to have HDR

[fallen drum]

the washed out image with UE hdr is fixed by the U+ FG fix
#1398399436517937202 message

[dusty girder]

thats whats called an "aces only" lutbuilder

it comes with UE, but I've never saw it actually gets used; so I dont add them

maybe I should start adding them unchanged just so people think they found something new

[deep wedge]

Its disabled.

[deep wedge]

Thanks. I'll give that a go

[deep wedge]

Ah Ok. Apart from the weird upgrade issue, I think the game looks great with the addon. Upgrade still needs to be disabled for engine ini tweak?

[dusty girder]

yes

what that slider does is tell the game

how to process the color, and if its in hdr mode/off to not touch any of the resources that might break framegen

basically only replace shaders, vs. "inject hdr"

since ini tweaks will make the game window hdr

[deep wedge]

Ok. Thanks. That makes sense. I'll try the U+ fix because I couldn't fix the washed out issue

so had to use both

or disable engine tweak

[dusty girder]

let me try ini tweaks + fg

default settings, ini tweaks + procesing path set to off

everything works, no flickering

black floor is good

[fallen drum]

they have some script that forces r.HDR.EnableHDROutput=0 at startup and breaks reno, don't know what triggers it exactly but it's an easy fix, not everyone has it

[dusty girder]

set engine.ini to read only

[fallen drum]

no, they force it via the console

[dusty girder]

I mean it works for me without read only

it delets one of the cvars

but as you can see, its an hdr10 window; everything works

the wu chang mod doesnt do anything speical, it just automatically adds a few lines to engine.ini and sets it to read only

[deep wedge]

I just tested it. U+ fix works on my end as well. So with that I don't even need to add the gine ini tweak? I added it anyways though

The game looks really good with ue extended

@dusty girder Please let me know when you update the lutbuilders for sifu. The game looks really weird as of right now with the addon

[fallen drum]

i'm talking about wuchang specifically

      "$type": "UAssetAPI.Kismet.Bytecode.Expressions.EX_PopExecutionFlow, UAssetAPI"
    },
    {
      "$type": "UAssetAPI.Kismet.Bytecode.Expressions.EX_CallMath, UAssetAPI",
      "StackNode": -191,
      "Parameters": [
        {
          "$type": "UAssetAPI.Kismet.Bytecode.Expressions.EX_Self, UAssetAPI"
        },
        {
          "$type": "UAssetAPI.Kismet.Bytecode.Expressions.EX_StringConst, UAssetAPI",
          "Value": "r.HDR.EnableHDROutput 0"
        },

They force HDR output off via console in some scenario, it doesn't matter what you set in engine.ini, it's not reno's fault it's the devs being dumb

[deep wedge]

Thats ridiculous though. I remember I had issues trying to tweak engine ini for Lies of P as well. None of tweaks would work. Perhaps they were doing the same thing there as well

[dusty girder]

yes wu chang

I just tested it, works just fine

no mods

just engine.ini

[fallen drum]

I said not everyone has it, I don't know what triggers that script to run

[dusty girder]

oh

I assume U+ gets rid of that

[fallen drum]

yeah

[dusty girder]

oh okay, yea, get u+ then bois

the fact that its not consistent is weirdge

because one of the first games I tested when i started to work on UE Extended is Wu Chang

since it has a lot of sdr luts, and the perfect test

and I remember everything working just fine, and well it works just fine now

[fallen drum]

dunno, this was an issue since the beginning with ue hdr in wuchang, it wasn't even consistent for me between game launches (sometimes working, sometimes washed)

you could see r.HDR.EnableHDROutput 0 in the console every time it broke though, since they have console dialog printing turned on

[deep wedge]

Btw what do the other two addons do for wuchnag in u+?

LUT and RT poolsize

[fallen drum]

the lut thing you don't need, should already be fixed by reno, poolsize reduces stuttering if you're forcing hardware lumen via U+

[stiff loom]

@dusty girder I know there's just like, 2 people that know how to inject ReShade on Infinity Nikki, with that being me and El Amo, but i'm throwing your way it's lutbuilders anyway:
https://github.com/marat569/renodx/pull/75

They have been on ue-generic for like, a year at this point, so here are some free sm5 lutbuilders from there fixed for you lmao.

your first UE5 SM5 lutbuilder set btw lmao

[dusty girder]

o shit ty

ima merge in 15 secnds

@stiff loom https://github.com/MapleHinata/renodx/blob/79340b9da50af018530114cbdf6e66a96f9dc411/src/games/ue-extended/lutbuilder/sm5/lutbuilder_0x73B2BA54.ps_5_x.hlsl

lutbuilder_0x73B2BA54.ps_5_x.hlsl

this has a sdr lut

SamplerState s0_s : register(s0);

you need to feed the texture, sampler, and add lutweights to the ProcessLutbuilder function

  float4 lutweights[2] = { float4(asfloat(cb0[38].x), asfloat(cb0[39].x), 0.f, 0.f), float4(0.f, 0.f, 0.f, 0.f) };
  cb_config.ue_lutweights = lutweights;  // Only Lutweights[0].xy is used

  o0 = ProcessLutbuilder(float3(untonemapped_ap1), s0_s, t0, cb_config, o0, asuint(cb0[71].x));
  return;

[stiff loom]

oh right thanks for the catch

i actually don't know

if the game uses this tbh

i pulled this from the shader pre-comp from 1.0

a year ago

and when i did that process again now there's only 4 lutbuilders lmao

[dusty girder]

yea a precomp is fake news a lot of the time

[stiff loom]

i'll fix it just in case it ends up used lol

[dusty girder]

yea, it takes 3 minutes; just to keep things consistent

and I'll merge

did you get the cbuffers from AI, or was there another shader already in extended, so you could've copy and pasted the cbuffers

lutbuilder_0xCA383248.ps_5_x.hlsl has 3 luts, that will use lutweights XYZW

[stiff loom]

I found some cbuffers by looking at constants and then checking on extended to see if another game had the same cbuffers

[dusty girder]

1 lut = xy
2 lut = xyz
3 lut = xyzw
4 lut = xyzw x

I have yet to see 5 luts

[dusty girder]

that works too

[stiff loom]

a bunch of SM6 UE5 games did (unsurprisingly)

[stiff loom]

and i borrowed it from them

and manually checked afterwards

[dusty girder]

one thing I do is match output device with another game, because its easy to confirm

[stiff loom]

every usage of those cbuffers and see if matched with their usage on other lutbuilders

[dusty girder]

and then check for 1-2 cbuffers, and chances are they match

[stiff loom]

i checked all of them just in case lol

btw some of these shaders don't seem to be exclusive to Infinity Nikki looking at it lol

because i found some of them on another mod LOL

[dusty girder]

precomp usually gives you the engine generic shaders

[stiff loom]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/tree/main/src/games/routine/lutbuilder

actually the game uses some of those

[dusty girder]

oh musa already found all teh cbuffers for that

[stiff loom]

i checked it on devkit lol

[dusty girder]

there is a game specific mod for it

that is basically a standalone ue-extended before ue-extended was made

btw in the devkit, is the lutbuilder 32x32x32 or 1024x32

Ender Magnolia for whatever cursed reason has a generic sm5 lutbuilder (ue 5.4) -- but its 1024x32

[stiff loom]

32x32x32

[dusty girder]

okay so thats not exclusive to sm5 in new ue, just something cursed ender magnolia did

[stiff loom]

you can set the size with a cvar i think

[dusty girder]

pumbo said they disabled 3d optimizations or something, why we dont know

btw whats busted in the hdr path?

[stiff loom]

it actually works, but the game hangs when taking photos on photo mode, trying to find the screenshot and failing, because it uses the HighResScreenshot stuff from UE, which is hardcoded to export screenshots in .exr on a different directory with a different name if it's running the game in HDR.

what makes this unusable is that the game automatically takes photos during gameplay

at cutscenes and specific moments

to record a "moments" book

[dusty girder]

normally I write off photomode, but its prolly super important in that game

[stiff loom]

which basically means your game hangs

at random

if you play with HDR turned on

[dusty girder]

I think clair33 had the same bug

[stiff loom]

it is important

but it actually makes the game unplayable

[dusty girder]

and people got like 500gb in screenshots destroying their ssd

[stiff loom]

because it does this automatically and causes the game to hang

[dusty girder]

because everytime you entered battle, it took a screenshot

[stiff loom]

it's worse here

[dusty girder]

and with ini hdr forced, it was like a 50mb high res screenshot

[stiff loom]

because the game just softlocks

trying to find the screenshot

like you quite literally can't even get past the tutorial if you are playing the game with native HDR

[dusty girder]

there is a small mod that disables auto screenshots in clair

[stiff loom]

because it will softlock every time in a cutscene

[dusty girder]

but I doubt that will fix normal photomode, and without photmode no dressup game

[stiff loom]

game has anti-cheat

i can write a mod for it because #yolo

[dusty girder]

idr if it was a reshade addon or a pak addon

[stiff loom]

i'm bypassing the anti-cheat

(this is why i said there's only two people that can use this)

but, if i'm going to write a mod for this, i'm going to fix it correctly

and make the HighResScreenshot output tonemapped .pngs

[dusty girder]

yugioh masterduel is a unity game with no anticheat; but they have a constant message saying "duels are monitored, and cheaters will get banned" -- and even though I know if I used reno I'd be like 99.9999% safe; I just dont want to risk all that time (and money)

[stiff loom]

this is effort however

that i didn't get around to finishing

so i'm going to use the SDR path for now lmao

[dusty girder]

does the game even need the hdr path for FG and stuff?

[stiff loom]

dlssfix works

so no

lol

[dusty girder]

nice

wait its dx12 sm5 with FG?

I've seen modern UE sm5 only if you force -d3d11

so I always assumed ue5 "forced" SM6 as a default

which means the devs unchecked that for some reason

[stiff loom]

yes?

game is D3D12 SM5 yeah

the D3D11 path doesn't even work

[stiff loom]

mobile

[dusty girder]

wonder if they had to manually go in

[dusty girder]

ah

[stiff loom]

Vulkan/Metal Mobile is limited to SM5-only

so they use D3D12 SM5 to ensure shit "works".

[stiff loom]

[/Script/WindowsTargetPlatform.WindowsTargetSettings]
Compiler=Default
-TargetedRHIs=PCD3D_SM5
+TargetedRHIs=PCD3D_SM5
DefaultGraphicsRHI=DefaultGraphicsRHI_DX12
MinimumOSVersion=MSOS_Vista
AudioSampleRate=48000
AudioCallbackBufferFrameSize=1024
AudioNumBuffersToEnqueue=1
AudioMaxChannels=0
AudioNumSourceWorkers=4
SpatializationPlugin=
ReverbPlugin=
OcclusionPlugin=

from Engine.ini

they had to go and turn that shit in

this game has HW RT btw

it has Hardware Lumen

which for some reason

it's allowed lmao

it only uses SM6 for RT pipelines

[dusty girder]

now thats rare

[stiff loom]

which i don't know if this is allowed by regular UE5

or if this is some shit they modded in

because this game uses turbo custom UE5

[dusty girder]

I think the only games I've seen hardware lumen are like the nvidia fork

aka BMW

[stiff loom]

game has SSGI/SSRs at low, SW Lumen GI and Reflections on Medium-Ultra and then a RT toggle for HW Lumen

their HW Lumen is also somewhat customized

r.Lumen.Reflections.HardwareRayTracing=0 i thought they disabled HW Lumen reflections but no

[dusty girder]

I remember seeing the infiniti nikki teaser years ago, and it looked good

and everytime I seen vids of it, its a really pretty game

I'm surprised how much love went into whats essentially dressup

[stiff loom]

    "r.Lumen.Reflections.HardwareRayTracing.XYMode": {
        "Flags": [
            "RenderThreadSafe"
        ],
        "Helptext": "Enables XY mode from papergame using hardware ray tracing for Lumen reflections (Default = 1)",
        "type": "Int32",
        "value": 1
    },

it has this shit turned on

and i have no idea what it is

this is custom

[dusty girder]

papergame

[stiff loom]

it's the name of the devs

[dusty girder]

oh

[stiff loom]

https://www.papegames.com/en/home

[dusty girder]

whats the 2026 situation like

is the game going down the good timeline

I told you some time ago I watched a video how a big patch griefed the game

[stiff loom]

mostly yeah

it had a really shit patch

but it's still good

they mostly fixed the bad things from that patch

[stiff loom]

it is one of the best looking UE5 games in my opinion

it's also insanely optimized on PC and it has an absurdly extensive shader pre-comp

this game has zero shader comp stutter

it's pretty magical lmao

[dusty girder]

I beleive it ngl

[stiff loom]

once they uh forgot to bump the PSO version telling clients to rebuild the shader cache

and everyone stuttered

[dusty girder]

ngl I hate when games have a smol dick pre-comp thats super fast

and doesnt catch most of the shaders

[stiff loom]

in an hour they issued a hotfix and gave everyone free gacha currency and apologized

[dusty girder]

bro there is one UE5 game

[dusty girder]

pizza souls, enotria last soul

[stiff loom]

like

i have never seen

a game do that

wtf??

[dusty girder]

so

listen

normally a game will rebuild the shader cache if driver updates, exe updates, or the cache is gone

normal behavior

enotria builds it once and never again

unless you manually go into the ini

and delete the param that said shaders where compiled

so if you launch the game post driver update, you're getting stutter out the ass

I think a few big game updates manually reset the ini, but for the most part it doesnt recompile

[stiff loom]

amazing

[dusty girder]

its a indie studio

[stiff loom]

even still

[dusty girder]

isnt all that stuff like default?

[stiff loom]

it is yes

lmao

they went out of their way

to fuck it up

[dusty girder]

btw ping me when the commit for the luts are up

for some reason github doesnt email me

it emails me when an action fails

[stiff loom]

btw this game is from where i pulled r.LUT.UpdateEveryFrame=1

[dusty girder]

figured

[stiff loom]

i was going to fix it but i got distracted talking to you lmao

[stiff loom]

it has this shit on by default on DefaultEngine.ini

[dusty girder]

wat

what benefit is that even to non modders

[stiff loom]

i actually remember you asking me "huh this is an UE5 game that rebuilds the LUT every frame?"

back when this released

[dusty girder]

yea, I was surprised

[stiff loom]

i don't fucking know lmao

they do it tho

[dusty girder]

like technically rebuilding a lutbuilder only when it changes is optimal

[stiff loom]

this game Engine.ini is uh

[dusty girder]

thats a long boi

[stiff loom]

a laundry list of shit

a lot of this only affects mobile tho

or gets overridden by WindowsEngine.ini

[dusty girder]

it even has vulkan

[stiff loom]

this is a mobile game too marat ofc it has vulkan

lmao

[dusty girder]

runescape dragonwilds also has a ton of options for no reason (bootleg runescape-themed valheim)

[stiff loom]

what else would it use

on mobile?

[dusty girder]

with a vulkan render, and all that

[dusty girder]

I keep forgetting about the mobile part

[stiff loom]

i mean

it's pratically a different game on mobile

[dusty girder]

does IOS also use vulkan, or METAL?

I know OSX desktop games use METAL

[stiff loom]

Metal

Vulkan is only used on Android

tbh it's actually impressive

it even runs at all

[dusty girder]

I wonder if its a custom tm, because the mobile tm was cut with ue5

[stiff loom]

and it's not like the worse thing ever

probably custom idk

[dusty girder]

the mobile tm is a very light low contrast tm

tales of arise uses it

and if you put filmic ontop ofa game that uses mobile, it looks fried

I got a pic somewhere

[stiff loom]

this game is probably using a custom tonemapper on mobile

or the desktop tonemapper

because uh, the art is made around the desktop tonemapper

it would look giga fucked with the mobile tm

[dusty girder]

[stiff loom]

check mobile vs PC here

it's pretty funny

lmao

when you compare them side by side

[dusty girder]

yea thats what made me think its custom, because its not super low contrsat like ue mobile

ngl still doesnt look bad

but its literally 2 different games

[stiff loom]

i had this shit fixed for 20 mins but i got distracted lmao

[dusty girder]

honestly the grass here looks better than like 99% of modern games I've seen

[dusty girder]

btw I noticed based on how 3dm and even shortfuse's decomp .. decompiles

lutweights is a float4[2] array and is always ontop

so the first cbuffers are always going to be lutweights (assuming they exist, they only spawn if there is a sdr lut)

[stiff loom]

  float4 lutweights[2] = { float4(asfloat(cb0[5].x), asfloat(cb0[5].y), asfloat(cb0[5].z), asfloat(cb0[5].w)), float4(0.f, 0.f, 0.f, 0.f) };
  cb_config.ue_lutweights = lutweights;  // Only Lutweights[0].xyzw is used

like this?

[dusty girder]

yea

thats 3 luts I assume

[stiff loom]

yes

[dusty girder]

yea

for the shader to compile, the array has to have values

but the shader only spawns the cbuffers it uses, so 0 luts no lutweights, etc

musa's old mods used pre-processor branching if a shader had luts or not; thats ass maintenance wise

I just default the values to 0, if there are no luts, no problem; its used code

[stiff loom]

yeah this makes sense

[dusty girder]

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/ecab859333620b317a98c5499c22b7e84fc25c2c/src/games/ue-extended/lutbuilder/filmiclutbuilder.hlsli#L475

if you want to sanity check it

shouldnt be too different in sm5

I have 3 lut games on there somewhere

[stiff loom]

I don't even think

the game uses it

because i never saw this game use an SDR LUT

i think this is just unused shit

[dusty girder]

if they're part of the engine's pre-comp, maybe other games use it

you said routine shares shaders with nikki

[stiff loom]

it does share some

but some of it's lutbuilders aren't here

and some of Nikki's lutbuilders aren't with Routine

@dusty girder I pushed the fixed lutbuilders

[dusty girder]

  r3.xyz = Textures_1.Sample(Samplers_1_s, r2.xz).xyz;
  r2.yw = float2(0.0625, 0) + r2.xz;
  r4.xyz = Textures_1.Sample(Samplers_1_s, r2.yw).xyz;
  r4.xyz = r4.xyz + -r3.xyz;
  r3.xyz = r0.www * r4.xyz + r3.xyz;
  r3.xyz = LUTWeights[1] * r3.xyz;
  r0.xyz = LUTWeights[0] * r0.xyz + r3.xyz;
  r3.xyz = Textures_2.Sample(Samplers_2_s, r2.xz).xyz;
  r4.xyz = Textures_2.Sample(Samplers_2_s, r2.yw).xyz;
  r4.xyz = r4.xyz + -r3.xyz;
  r3.xyz = r0.www * r4.xyz + r3.xyz;
  r0.xyz = LUTWeights[2] * r3.xyz + r0.xyz;
  r3.xyz = Textures_3.Sample(Samplers_3_s, r2.xz).xyz;
  r2.xyz = Textures_3.Sample(Samplers_3_s, r2.yw).xyz;
  r2.xyz = r2.xyz + -r3.xyz;
  r2.xyz = r0.www * r2.xyz + r3.xyz;
  r0.xyz = LUTWeights[3] * r2.xyz + r0.xyz;

replace 0/1/2/3 with x y z w

thats from Ishin which is the ONLY sm5 game I've seen

with named cbuffers

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/main/src/games/ue-extended/lutbuilder/sm5/lutbuilder_0xCD2A823A.ps_5_x.hlsl#L369

so uh

lutbuilder_0xCA383248.ps_5_x.hlsl

o0 = ProcessLutbuilder(float3(untonemapped_ap1), s0_s, t0, cb_config, o0, asuint(cb0[40].w));

you need to give it both samplers

and both textures

[stiff loom]

ah right

i forgot sorry

copy and pasted from the other shader

LMAO

[dusty girder]

also its missing the 3 lut one

also

lutbuilder_0xCA383248.ps_5_x.hlsl

that has 2 luts

you pased in xyzw, when it only has xyz

[stiff loom]

i uh

didn't even check how many luts it had

i just followed what you told me

lmao

[dusty girder]

all the way ontop

you check

[stiff loom]

[dusty girder]

Texture2D<float4> t1 : register(t1);

Texture2D<float4> t0 : register(t0);

[stiff loom]

I know

[dusty girder]

thats 2

[stiff loom]

but i just trusted you there

actually, where is the 3 lut one?

[dusty girder]

I think I typod 2 and 3

[dusty girder]

sorry

[stiff loom]

i'm fixing some of the ones i missed too

1 sec

[dusty girder]

idk why I wrote 3 luts, it doenst look like there is a shader with 3 luts; somehow confused myyself

take your time

[stiff loom]

@dusty girder fixed it

[dusty girder]

lets c

did you compile extended on your rig

[stiff loom]

yes

i tested this in-game already

as i said i don't think the game uses this because it looked normal lmao

like i never saw the game use an SDR LUT

so it's either only used on some weird ass level or cutscene

or entirely unused

[dusty girder]

looks good, ima merge

[dusty girder]

I mean how would you "see" it using an sdr lut

[stiff loom]

on devkit

[dusty girder]

it doesnt show anything

in the devkit

[stiff loom]

that's what i meant lol

[dusty girder]

it'll show a 32x32x32 lutbuilder

same as any other game

a graphics debugger might show it

@stiff loom now that you got it built with the luts, go in game and move lut strength around

[stiff loom]

huh would it not show up as an SRV?

[dusty girder]

see if it does anything for fun

[dusty girder]

not sure tbh

[stiff loom]

it doesn't

[dusty girder]

esp on dx12

[stiff loom]

it should show up as an SRV i think

also i checked which shaders it's replacing

and they don't have a sampler/texture2d

so..

if the game uses a SDR LUT

it's only on some very rare circumstances

[dusty girder]

some games might only enable them when there is a special effect

some games use them as a vignette

[stiff loom]

yeah

[dusty girder]

the deep lore is its old programming habbits

like code vein 2 for example did one thing right

it had 1 lutbuilder, generic ue 5.4, no sdr lut, and then had code that dynamically adjusted color temp and other params

depending on the zone, past/future, etc -- the way you're "supposed" to do it

1 lutbuilder, no grief

[stiff loom]

but i tried fucking with lut strength and it didn't do shit

but now that i think about it

i recally some very specific scenes with a flashback effect

[dusty girder]

but the sdr lut system is for like legacy devs that are used to grading with luts

[stiff loom]

that broke if there was anything >1.0f

[dusty girder]

that might be it

so unreal has different lutbuilders

a normal simple one

and then one with white temperature as the first effect that happens

[stiff loom]

this only ever happened to me on some specific cutscenes

but you can't reply cutscenes on this game

and i never have devkit injected when this happens

because my performance

so i never bothered to check why this happens

[dusty girder]

this is a generic basic bitch simple lutbuilder, game uses it 99.9% of the time

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/main/src/games/codevein2/lutbuilder/game_start_0x773A9497.ps_6_6.hlsl

this is a white temperature lutbuilder, the game uses it during "foggy sequences"

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/main/src/games/codevein2/lutbuilder/memory_lutbuilder_0x08B5389E.ps_6_6.hlsl

you can see the huge block of code ontop thats related to whitetemp

and then there are variations of both of those with sdr luts

[dusty girder]

that looks more like maybe its spawning in a new shader after the lutbuilder

[stiff loom]

that was my guess too

[dusty girder]

that has unsafe math + running hdr code when it expects sdr

[stiff loom]

ironically enough

setting this to the vanilla lutbuilder

did not fix it

[dusty girder]

tales of arise has a composite shader

sorry lut sample shader

that has a pow at the end for some reason

[stiff loom]

the only way to fix this is to set max/game brightness to 80 nits

and then it would look correct

like it is exploding with values above 1.0f

for some reason

[dusty girder]

https://github.com/marat569/renodx/blob/5903a1d07c70e5404106dde5eef4331ffeffac66/src/games/ue-extended/games/talesofarise/output_0xDCFDF14D.ps_5_x.hlsl#L145

even with the vanilla lutbuilder, the game will NaN like crazy

[stiff loom]

but strangely enough running the SDR path did not fix it

[dusty girder]

unless you make the pow safe

[dusty girder]

same with arise, prolly unsafe math

[stiff loom]

yeah

unsafe math needing unorm love it

[dusty girder]

also alpha blending might be a thing, but I doubt it

that usually UI memes

[stiff loom]

nah

as i said i can "fix this"

if i set max brightness to 80 nits so (1.0f)

it looks correct if i do that

[dusty girder]

oh mb, yea