Unreal Engine

[bleak nest]

But really depends what you're looking to get out of it.

4090 should sell well for you?

If so, use that to cover the cost and pick up an FE.

[mortal birch]

From what I read amperes over the pins cause that going above 9.2

But you don't have a way to control that

Sometimes is the cable side and others just the GPU

[bleak nest]

Shut down feature is the only good thing to come out of all these 'solutions'.

The ASUS' Astral implementation was as useful as tits on a boar.

[mortal birch]

Ba8uer

[bleak nest]

It just told you that it's going up, did nothing to actually shut it down.

[mortal birch]

Of thermal grizzly did a video few weeks ago

Explaining the issue

[bleak nest]

I went over this with invictus yesterday in HDR Den server, if you look up this topic there, you'll see.

[mortal birch]

Yeah asrock psu have em over the psu buikt in

And thermal grrizky wire view pro 2

Have em on connwcror side

[bleak nest]

Roman is a content creator, and while his videos are good, just like any other, they're going to milk it (for lack of a better word) as much as they can, but at least data is useful.

Problem is that since all the eyes are on this topic, it's just more profitable to keep making content around it.

[mortal birch]

Otwhrs of readit just put a sensor thermal

[bleak nest]

Yeah

That's also a cool tool

[mortal birch]

Oc the connector

[bleak nest]

Albeit, super fucking pricey.

lolhax in SK server built his own last year.

I'd just msg him and get his solution

Cost you maybe $20

Does the same thing, even better actually.

[mortal birch]

The thermal sensor on the cable just 10us

[bleak nest]

Won't look as 'pretty', but will cost 1/10th of Thermal View

Oh

$10? That's diff then.

I thought you meant that $150 one.

[mortal birch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1kxjbvy/simple_way_to_monitor_the_temperature_of_the/

Take a look is so stupid

[bleak nest]

Ohhhhhhhhh, that.

Yeah, that's diff.

That's also nice, but lolhax solution better cause it'll actually shut your shit down, or bring it to a halt.

[mortal birch]

Hahaha if it goes above 100 degrees

Shut down the pc

Hahaha

[bleak nest]

Yeah

Yeah

6090 will be a solid jump.

[mortal birch]

Have a link?

[bleak nest]

No, it's a user from SK server.

I got banned from there, so I can't link it.

But if you go there, msg lolhax and ask him about his solution for his Gigabyte 5090.

[mortal birch]

Emmm which is the name

[bleak nest]

He's a good lad, will be happy to share it with you.

[mortal birch]

Idk what he did

[bleak nest]

Person to talk to: lolhax
Server to ask in: SpecialK server

[mortal birch]

Because I don't want to void warranty

[bleak nest]

It's not voiding anything

[mortal birch]

Hmm

[bleak nest]

It sits between your GPU and your PSU

Monitors everything

He has a program on Windows as well that he cooked up

Which will let you monitor things, or shut down, or whatever you want.

He isn't selling anything.

He designed his own PCB and put it together.

He'll share his schematics with you, and you can order PCB yourself.

[mortal birch]

Oh /+:/

I'm from Argentina

[bleak nest]

Like I said, msg him and you'll be sorted, if you're too worried.

[mortal birch]

It will be impossible for me

[bleak nest]

Yeah, PCB will ship there just fine.

It's a small $10 item.

[mortal birch]

I rather not use

A custom pcb

Specially if is not branded

[bleak nest]

Fair enough

[mortal birch]

Could blow something uo

I don't wanna risk a 9000usd computer

-_-

[bleak nest]

But I know that guy, and he has background in electrician. So, I'd trust him far before I'd do any 'branded'.

It's the 'branded' shit that's blowing up, mind you.

[mortal birch]

But has warranty

The GPU that I bought

Is the astral 5090 lc

[bleak nest]

I thought you said it was Palit that got rekt?

[mortal birch]

I think is the best on the market

[bleak nest]

Oh, you mean the replacement one?

[mortal birch]

Yup

That was the one

With warranty

[bleak nest]

It's not, it's just overpriced. But good.

[mortal birch]

And I sent it back to rma

[bleak nest]

Did they add the option to shut down GPU in GPU Tweak ,yet?

Or it still only warns you?

[mortal birch]

Idk about that

Bit as fat as I know

[bleak nest]

rip

[mortal birch]

It let's you monitor

[bleak nest]

Yes

[mortal birch]

Pin per pin

[bleak nest]

In a separate tool

[mortal birch]

Amperage

[bleak nest]

You can monitor it in real time

[mortal birch]

No, I jayz explained

Any monitor sens software

Will let you monitor

[bleak nest]

But it's as useful as tits on a boar, it needs to shut shit down when it reaches a certain limit, or something you can setup.

[mortal birch]

Is buuikt it over the pcb

[bleak nest]

I know

Separate tool = any tool.

Sensors themselves are built in.

So, HWiNFO can do it for you.

[mortal birch]

Yup

[bleak nest]

Anyway, hope it arrives soon for you!

[mortal birch]

Don't worry is fine

I don't get offended by your comment

Maybe some time later

I could buy the tool from thermal grizzly

With the auto shutdown future

[bleak nest]

What comment?

[mortal birch]

Without going insane over the psu

[bleak nest]

Didn't realize I said something like that, but I'm sorry if it came across that way.

[mortal birch]

For what r you said. Is fine

I don't mind to mind to talk I mean

[bleak nest]

Oh, okay.

Good luck with the GPU, glad your warranty got it all sorted!

[mortal birch]

Is okay I'm always commenting here

Which 5090

Is good out there?

Wasn't Asus?

[bleak nest]

The cheapest one you can buy, so FE.

But you mean fastest OOTB?

Likely Astral, yeah.

Maaaaaaaaybe Galax HOF, too?

Depends.

[mortal birch]

Founders edition

Is hard to find

[bleak nest]

Astral ones can be binned.

Aye

[mortal birch]

Wasn't even on sell

Over the Nvidia site

[bleak nest]

It was available in BestBuy 40mins ago.

Sold out.

[mortal birch]

Sculpers

[bleak nest]

Yeah

[mortal birch]

I cannot but over best buy

Is only USA market

[bleak nest]

Anyway, wrong channel for this talk, don't wanna muddy more GPU talk in UE channel 😛

[mortal birch]

Not the first time

I explained to mods that I'm just sharing with yall

Without intentions to do a mess 🙂

But ping me out this channel because idk where to talk abjut it 🙁

#💬lounge I guess sorry 🙁

[bleak nest]

Oh, I know.

I meant best take it elsewhere is all.

And yeah, #💬lounge or #🍸bar is good.

[mortal birch]

Let's go there

[strange pebble]

Any idea how to fix this in RuneFactory Guardians of Azuma?

[noble grove]

Hey, did you ever get anywhere with Dispatch? Or did you just use SK?

[indigo plank]

The narrative portions of the game are all pre-rendered videos so nothing can be done in terms of detail recovery. RenoDX UE works but only for the dispatch gameplay portions. I personally used Reno and just left the videos SDR; ITM didn't look that great to me.

[noble grove]

Thanks. ITM (but dialed way down) seems ok. SDR is really dim for me - and I cba to tweak sdr tv settings!

[polar crest]

can someone import these lutbuilders from hogwarts legacy pls ?

@regal kayak @dusty girder

[regal kayak]

I posted a build with them not too far above, but they seem broken unless it was just a time of day thing (I did not test)

PS 5.1 doesn’t decomp well

[polar crest]

so it's doomed

have to use

native

that wasn't an issue a few months back

lol

[regal kayak]

Well, more testing wouldn’t hurt

[west canopy]

Same for me. A moderate ITM to boost the brightness to your liking. But what kind of ITM are you doing? I never quite figured out what's a good setting for SK.

[soft cloud]

midnight walks not working properly, UI slider changes whole picture

[mortal birch]

Sorry again but

Tada

[swift plover]

someone just needs to use the vk decomp

[polar crest]

Vulkan decomp

[west canopy]

might wanna add Abyssus to compatibility list, it works with R10G10B10A2_UNORM upgrade in scRGB, however UI brightness slider behaves as game brightness slider, I couldn't figure that one out

[untold wadi]

Abyssus isn't using UE

[west canopy]

Wait really?

How come it works then?

[coarse axle]

pics?

well a HDR swapchain is being set and maybe the game is being solely clamped by resources

wait

[coarse axle]

This Abyssus

[west canopy]

yeah this one

[coarse axle]

[west canopy]

I just look at folder structure (engine\binaries\win64) and immidiatelly know its UE..

[untold wadi]

Oh mb, mixed it with another game

[mortal birch]

What gamw is that?

Nvm abyssus

[indigo plank]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/pull/459 first PR hopefully I did this right

[swift plover]

I’m surprised such a huge multiplayer game allows reshade addons

[indigo plank]

Same but I won't complain
-# I barely play the game, just logged on and saw no more HDR lol

People been using skin mods since release and nobody's been banned afaik

[soft cloud]

anyone try talos principle reawakened?

or is the default hdr fine

[thick belfry]

It's the same as TP2
So good
https://github.com/KoKlusz/HDR-Gaming-Database/discussions/78

[restive wolf]

Using unreal engine mod for Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, sliders don't do anything, contrast, saturation, peak brightness. I enabled "DUMP LUT Shaders" and i got 1 new .cso file

[thick belfry]

Fallen Order won't work
The implementation is entirely custom

[restive wolf]

i see

[west canopy]

SDR gamma fix still needed right? Is changing output colour space shader same or better than black floor fix emulate SDR?

And I would probably use liliums itm/brightness booster for 2000 nit screens if this game is limited to 1000 iirc

[indigo plank]

for what game?

[west canopy]

Fallen order (in native hdr)

[indigo plank]

https://github.com/KoKlusz/HDR-Gaming-Database/discussions/76 use black floor fix

[half mulch]

it had hdr before ue officially did

so completely custom

[peak galleon]

lens flare appears to be going nuts

[peak galleon]

did these get added?

[calm slate]

I asked about this a month ago and didn't get any answers. I was still wondering if smooth motion has any issues with the UE renodx specifically for Sonic Racing Crossroads. My friend gets this constant fast flickering when trying to run renodx with smooth motion on just for this game only and no other game he used smooth motion with. The flickering is very rapid.

[calm slate]

Ok interesting. I will have him try out that fix. Does both the nightly.link Reshade setup and Reshade64.dll need to be downloaded or just the reshade setup and install as normal.

😭 ah ok. I will have him try it just in case, worst case scenario is it stays broken still.

Thanks for the info.

He is using an OLED with a 5090. The game doesn't have native HDR and I am not sure if that plays a big role in the issue. I am not exactly sure if it even has DLSS no DLSS support.

It could also be an ultra wide issue and or the mod to fix it.

I want to say he limit the fps through nvidia app but I am not sure. I will relay these solutions the next time he is on.

[soft cloud]

keeper got updated

[sturdy lagoon]

oh

[strange pebble]

Octopath Traveler 0 sometimes crashes when I use the current reno version

[soft cloud]

this was the default

[sturdy lagoon]

1,8 gamma

[soft cloud]

i think its labeled backwards

when i set it to 2.2 and 2.4 it gets BRIGHTER

[sturdy lagoon]

soo i assume 1.8 is actually 2.2 then and going all the way left 2.4

[soft cloud]

it goes from 1.2 to 3.2

so maybe 1.6 is 2.4?

[sturdy lagoon]

huhhhh

so dumb

tf they doin

[halcyon mirage]

When negative gamma

[sturdy lagoon]

just invert the entire game

looks much better

[swift plover]

encoding vs decoding gamma

[coarse axle]

yes

this is why I had to set UI elements in XCOM 2 to 1.2 gamma

to darken them

[placid siren]

Unreal doesn't have 203 as an option in the source so... devs are learning?

Also gamma might be per channel contrast, essentially

[soft cloud]

From "Teddy's Haven - A Fantasy Inspired Shop Simulator"

[peak galleon]

if it doesn't say lutbuilder_new, it's already included

[soft cloud]

Good to know ty

[versed jacinth]

Grounded 2 update broke Reno

got this lut

[indigo plank]

Are you getting this log spam in your game with Reno installed? I'm occasionally crashing upon loading in or having my framerate tanked just standing around with the addon loaded (seems to happen in the main menu too). Maybe an issue caused by the update since they did upgrade the UE version to 5.6.1?

02:42:44:715 [59580] | ERROR | [RenoDX] utils::resource::GetResourceViewInfo(Resource view not found for handle: 0x0000000008033000)
02:42:44:731 [73484] | ERROR | [RenoDX] utils::resource::GetResourceViewInfo(Resource view not found for handle: 0x0000000008033000)

[versed jacinth]

Well, since it's not working I've disabled Reno. I kept using Display Commander but had some random crashes, removed Reshade and they seemed to stop.

[indigo plank]

@placid siren I was getting this log spam with official and renodx build + reno in grounded 2. they just updated to UE 5.6.1 so not sure if that could be a potential cause

[desert heron]

dead as disco demo shows up as a black screen

what do I need to upgrade to fix that?

nvm I found out

holy shit this game is beautiful

[devout lodge]

lutbuilders for fatal fury city of the wolves

[runic musk]

Hi ! i have install Reno unreal for "RV There Yet" but only "UI brightness" work

[indigo plank]

You need to go to main menu and load back into the game to apply any changes you made in the RenoDX menu, including game brightness

[runic musk]

ooh ok thx

its difficult for find the perfect settings

[indigo plank]

Defaults are usually fine

[runic musk]

i dont have the same image when i drive

[wicked parrot]

I would say that defaults with "Highlights saturation" at 55 (or 60 at max) is better. I found that at 50 sometimes the highlights are less saturated than SDR. Other than that I would only change peak brightness to your monitor/TV max brightness (if HGIG) and/or reduce game brightness if your peak brightness is lower than 1000 nits and you play in a dark room

[coarse axle]

280APL

thats bright as hell

I'd cut the exposure in half atleast

maybe even down to 0.3-4

something like this

[runic musk]

I dont have the same picture when I drive its strange

As if weren't in hdr

Its better with exposure at 1.0

[wicked parrot]

how can you get that number?

[coarse axle]

Plopped the pic into SKIV

You can also run liliums graph in game

it'll show the same

[wicked parrot]

thanks

[runic musk]

thx everyone

[wicked parrot]

APL should be the same as the game brightness value you set in renodx sliders?

[coarse axle]

no

APL wont match game brightness

APL is just average picture level, it will vary depending on whats happening in a scene

[wicked parrot]

SKIV is speacial K image viewer right?

[coarse axle]

yes

[wicked parrot]

but the number means nits? or is it another value?

[coarse axle]

yes, it is measuring avg nit brightness

280 is a lot of avg brightness

[wicked parrot]

oh, so if you are in a cave with no lights maybe you have like a APL of 20 and if you are looking at the sunny sky is like 400?

[coarse axle]

APL will constantly change as its dynamic, based on light sources, materials, lighting ect

I only pointed out that in the pics above, APL of 280 is a lot

[shell igloo]

cave apl would be like 3 nits

[wicked parrot]

Sorry, I must be stupid but how can I download SKIV? On their Github there are no releases 😅

[coarse axle]

SKIV comes packaged with SKIF

[indigo plank]

#933778877996757033 message

[coarse axle]

when you download Special K

[wicked parrot]

oh, thanks, i've never used special k before tbh

[versed jacinth]

Can anyone please add the Grounded 2 lutbuilder attached above? I'd really appreciate it.

[versed jacinth]

This one

[soft cloud]

Sorry I posted in wrong discord

Any chance we can get this added in

[untold wadi]

They're already included in the mod

[soft cloud]

Rip idk why I can't get hdr to work in the game then

the ui slider controls the whole picture

[untold wadi]

Sliders might not be realtime

[soft cloud]

seems very low

[untold wadi]

Some shader seems to clamp it

[soft cloud]

should i be using a different set of upgrades

i needed RGB10s for the black screen

in the ingame cutscenes, i do get full HDR but ingame its pretty garbage

tbh even if i do figure it out i dont think i can use it, it cuts the fps in half

[fading belfry]

turn off dump lut shaders that's what causing frame drops

probably

[half mulch]

its custom

i sent it to shortfuse when the game just came out

only ui exceeds 203nits

[soft cloud]

thats what it was thank you!

[half mulch]

that game needs its own mod

[fading belfry]

no problem :D

[soft cloud]

yep using this i can see the actual game is 203 nits clamped

the UI is the only thing that was higher ironically

[soft cloud]

very sad because its so good

its basically command and conquer in a modern engine

[north fjord]

Possible ?

[indigo plank]

not sure if they're doing custom stuff or I messed something up (first time doing sm5), but the game doesn't seem to go much brighter than SDR. sliders work now though

[north fjord]

Game not going above 203 nits 🤔

[indigo plank]

it hits like 230 in the school hallway when I was testing

I’ll download a save and look at other spots later

[arctic mist]

Huh, now that's a little weird. Maybe it's just an Unreal thing, but the other specific games I've upgraded with renoDX, Windows has recognized as being HDR so it doesn't say anything about AutoHDR. But I just tried Kena: Bridge of Spirits with the general Unreal addon, and Windows keeps offering to upgrade it with AutoHDR.

But according to the HDR analysis, renoDX is definitely working already.

Actually wait, compared to the game in SDR, something seems wrong...

The HDR version seems desaturated compared to SDR, I'm not sure it's upgrading correctly.

[arctic mist]

Now that I think about it, it's probably because those other games had native HDR to turn on first, so the game was already reporting HDR before renoDX took effect.

[arctic mist]

Hmm, I guess it is working. The color grading is a little different than SDR though. Could probably match it by bumping Saturation a bit, but it seems fine.

[swift plover]

The slider called saturation correction lowers saturation in midtones and shadows

Set that to 0 to match vanilla

[arctic mist]

Ahhh

Yeah I know all of those sliders default to 50 most of the time

Huh, Saturation Correction didn't really seem to do anything, even after loading a save

Yeah something doesn't seem quite right here.

I bumped Saturation in the Custom Color Grading up to 75 and that seems much closer to the SDR's coloration.

60 didn't seem like enough, 100 seemed like way too much, so I split the difference.

[placid siren]

Sounds like monitor calibration issue where SDR is oversaturated

The mod uses the SDR path so Vanilla tonemapper should look identical to real SDR

[arctic mist]

The other games I've tried with renoDX I think that has been true, so I don't think it's a calibration issue. This is the first time it's come up, but it's also the first time I've tried the general Unreal addon.

[arctic mist]

I loaded Kena back up, and if I just change the tone mapper between RenoDRT and Vanilla, the colors do look identical to each other. But if I close the game, turn HDR off and don't load the addon, so pure SDR, the game looks notably more vibrant.

And the more vibrant look does seem to suit the graphical style more appropriately.

Since it is kind of toony, like a Pixar animation.

The default settings just look a bit too desaturated.

[placid siren]

Then it's your display.

The math is no different. Your display is making the difference between HDR and SDR mode

[arctic mist]

No idea, Ori and Will of the Wisps looks gorgeous with renoDX's HDR

[placid siren]

You should figure out why your HDR and SDR are mismatched first. HDR on with Vanilla tonemapper should look identical to unmodded SDR. It's the same numbers. Your display is over saturating SDR or undersaturating HDR

[arctic mist]

That's what I'm saying though, the HDR for Ori doesn't look undersaturated at all. I've been messing with HDR in some other games too, and I don't remember any of them looking undersaturated either, but I'll have to go back and look more closely.

[placid siren]

you can check with lilium's hdr analysis shader

like, the actually numbers.

and Ori unmodded HDR is notoriously overcooked

significantly more saturated than SDR

[arctic mist]

Unmodded Ori's HDR was completely broken for me

It was like, doubling up on itself or something

I needed the renoDX mod just to fix it properly.

[placid siren]

you should be able to take screenshot with Reshade and compare while in SDR and while in HDR

for example, an SDR screenshot when the game is on SDR and RenoDX set to "Off" should look identical when in Windows HDR

like, look at the same screenshot file both in Windows SDR and Windows HDR

outside of like 5% gamma/contrast difference they should mostly look the same

[arctic mist]

I'll have to take some in both modes after dinner

[placid siren]

i don't remember Kena being undercook, though i never tried it. but i know people have tried it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Falfs8gcllk&t=180s

[west canopy]

It's one of the best Reno mod showcases (game has no native HDR), I think it looked perfect and vibrant enough

[west canopy]

I also played both ps5 (pure SDR) and pc versions of it, I don't remember colours in SDR being any different

[arctic mist]

Hmm, well I crashed my drivers while alt-tabbing between the video and the game, whoops. But the default settings did look like the video.

Could be a wide gamut thing maybe in SDR? Not sure why that wouldn't apply in HDR though.

[placid siren]

SDR is BT709. SDR is not wide gamut

you can pick the wrong gamut and oversaturate your SDR, but HDR is designed to not let the users screw up the settings

[arctic mist]

That could be it then, I just have the monitor in its standard mode. Though weirdly, if I watch that video in SDR, it doesn't look oversaturated.

But that could be because Youtube is doing some stuff when it's displaying in SDR

But as I said, it looks better with a bit more saturation than default, it fits that Pixar-like art style of it.

[indigo plank]

might be rip, there' s no hdr colors from what i can see in any renderdoc capture (even the sun untonemapped doesn't go above 1). the game is also really dim in sdr :/

[indigo plank]

these are already in the mod

[north fjord]

Well that's sad

[north fjord]

Do I need to upgrade sliders or default is fine

[indigo plank]

no clue since i don't own that game, but probably try b8 typeless or rgb10a2 unorm upgrades

[arctic mist]

Not what I meant, I meant the wide gamut of the monitor. Because in the 'standard' display mode, I'm pretty sure the monitor takes whatever signal it gets and tries to map it to its own gamut. At very least, when Windows is in SDR mode.

[swift plover]

ya that's basically stretching bt709 out to p3 or bt2020

horrific that monitors ship like that

i think mine did too i don't remember

I imagine most ship like that

[arctic mist]

Hmm, not sure if I can attach all these or not, but I just did a test and took some ReShade screenshots

This is what vanilla SDR looks like

This is what renoDX HDR with the default sliders looks like

And this is what renoDX HDR with the saturation turned up to 70 looks like

I believe you'll need to download each image and view them in a proper image viewing app, I don't think Discord will show them correctly

I'm using XnView MP to view them so I can flip back and forth between them quickly.

The SDR image looks fine in Discord, but the two HDR images look crazy dark in here.

Anyway, if you can see them correctly, you can tell that the default sliders image looks very desaturated compared to the vanilla SDR of the game. Boosting the Saturation slider to 70 gets the third image closer to the vanilla SDR, but it does seem like there's a yellow-ish tint to everything as a result, particularly on her skin tones.

If I turn off HDR in Windows when viewing these, the SDR image gets oversaturated and a bit blue-ish

Which I think is what I was seeing when running the vanilla SDR game with my monitor in 'standard' mode, getting it mapped to the monitor's wide gamut.

[wicked parrot]

SDR and default reno look good

the last picture is very saturated

i don't see the default hdr desaturated compared to vanilla sdr

[swift plover]

ya last image looks giga deep fried

[arctic mist]

Hmm, actually I booted the game back up in SDR mode with my monitor in sRGB again, and now it actually resembles the HDR default, and the SDR screenshot I took looks more saturated than what's in game.

[swift plover]

ue renodx's defaults are meant to reduce some of the oversaturation in shadows that causes smearing, saturation correction does that

its really bad in expedition 33

[arctic mist]

One thing I forgot to do for my HDR screenshots was adjust the gamma back up...

[swift plover]

first one is vanilla and 2nd is saturation correct turned all the way up to 100, I think 50 is a good middle ground

i do saturation correction a different way in the e33 mod but same idea

[arctic mist]

I see it in those. Hmm...

Weird, the in-game renoDX defaults HDR version looks darker than my screenshot. Like it's ignoring the gamma setting altogether.

Yeah, if I turn the Gamma back up all the way, in-game looks exactly like my default sliders screenshot. Huh.

Weirdly, Saturation Correction doesn't seem to do anything at all for this.

It started at 100, but turning it to 0 doesn't do anything either. And that's after messing with the Gamma setting in game or even reloading a save.

What I can't really explain is why the SDR screenshot doesn't match the SDR colors in game, when the monitor is in sRGB mode.

Actually, huh... the 70 Saturation boost screenshot doesn't really match what I'm seeing in game either. Her arm looks more yellow-ish in the screenshot than it does in game.

Weird. Well, I still think something weird is going on, but I have no idea what it might be. The game looks great in person with that 70 Saturation boost, so I'll likely just stick with it.

[peak galleon]

Reanimal Demo

saw some NaN there i think

[west canopy]

That's way oversaturated (you are actually losing detail I think, I will open later on my rig) I know we asked this before but your monitor settings are ok? How do these pictures look if you open them on phone? It looks over saturated to me on phone as well (most phones can display HDR in discord)

[indigo plank]

added the lutbuilders. didn't see any NaNs when I played through the demo so should be okay

[arctic mist]

The screenshots don't even look like in-game on this monitor, so I'm not really sure what's going on there.

Hmm, well I transferred them to my phone, though I'm not entirely sure how to really compare them, since the phone is OLED and my monitor is not.

Hang on, let me test something.

[arctic mist]

Hmm, well that didn't change anything. But now I've been looking at it too long and the 50 Saturation looks fine.

What even is color?

Weirdly though, I had to adjust the in-game Gamma down a bit. The adjustment image was too visible, where before I had to turn it all the way up just to see it a little bit.

[swift plover]

Changing gamma from default breaks the tonemapping

[arctic mist]

In the Unreal addon?

Well hell, maybe that's what happened.

Hmm, didn't seem to change much when I set it back to default. Might have fixed the darker parts of the image, but didn't seem like the tonemapping was broken before.

[swift plover]

it applies after tonemapping so it causes clipping

or causes peak undershoot, since its increasing/decreasing contrast after tonemapping

in general messing with gamma is just deep frying

wait nvm it applies before tonemap

its deep frying but it won't break tonemap

[arctic mist]

Gotcha. Well I set it back to default. Also, does it matter if you're using DX11 or 12? Kena has both available.

I swear I tried each one and didn't notice color differences between them.

[arctic mist]

Hmm, is it common for the Unreal games that don't have native HDR, that Windows doesn't detect them as running in HDR even when renoDX is being loaded? Because that's definitely still happening with Kena: Bridge of Spirits.

Beause this is the only Unreal game I've tried so far. But I've tried two Unity games with the general Unity renoDX and neither one has native HDR, but with renoDX loaded, Windows doesn't pop up with the offer to AutoHDR the game. With Kena that pop-up is still coming up.

[arctic mist]

Ah hah, I knew I had to have another UE4 game I was familiar with to test. I added the Unreal renoDX to Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night and it works perfectly, no desaturation, and no offer about AutoHDR from Windows. I think the addon isn't fully loading with Kena: Bridge of Spirits for some reason.

Here's a renodx-dev dump with the ReShade.log file. Not sure if that will help or not, but something doesn't seem to be fully working.

[peak galleon]

thanks, will this get committed to the main repo?

[indigo plank]

yeah i'll pr it this week

[west canopy]

If you get the popup something isn't right. I never get the popup with Reno loaded. It only seems to popup in some whitelisted sdr games without mod loaded

[arctic mist]

Yeah, that's what I've been saying. And the popup doesn't come up for Bloodstained, which is another UE4 game, when using the exact same Unreal addon.

I'm running the Win64-Shipping.exe of both games, hell, I even copied the exact same ReShade dxgi.dll and renodx-unrealengine.addon64 from the Kena folder over to the Bloodstained folder so I could test Bloodstained. Bloodstained doesn't have the problem, Kena does.

[arctic mist]

I was looking at Plasma TV for Gaming's video for Kena, which is what inspired me in the first place, it's from back in April. And the layout of the sliders is different from then, so I'm not sure if there was an overhaul that happened after that or what. Though I'm also not sure how that would have broken something specifically with this game.

Weirdly, the build date shown in the video is 2025-08-08... which doesn't seem to make any sense, since the stream was from April 8th, 2025. https://www.youtube.com/live/PxChAv0kvGk?si=KWow3miPriChsW7i&t=5759

[sturdy lagoon]

Bros a time traveler

[broken smelt]

kena was nice but man some of the slowdowns during flashy effects

maybe i did something wrong but 5090/9800x3d combo didn't help, some battles had slowdowns that affected my timings in combat, was really bad at the last part of the game, so bad i had to actually unload reshade to be able to complete it

but cozy game and reno hdr mod was really nice

[sturdy lagoon]

[broken smelt]

idk it felt like it had to build shaders over and over again and not just one time

[sturdy lagoon]

Hm weird, it’s on my backlog, I’ll keep that in mind if I have that too

[broken smelt]

particle effects and such

i don't have any examples that isn't very spoiler but when attacks impact/land and explosions happen it was really bad

[placid siren]

maybe it's AMD jank. try switching hdr10 to scrgb (i think that's still an option)

[sonic copper]

I need some help here. I'm playing High on Life using latest snapshot and everything seems to be working great until I noticed some minor color shifting and weird super over saturated colors if that makes sense. Hard to explain but I have screenshot and lutbuilder file here

[stark tusk]

any suggestions? Almost seems like some assets are skipping the scene grading with Reno toggled on in Routine. I enabled LUT dumping, but not getting any with "new"

[arctic mist]

Huh, at first I thought that did it, but I think it's working in either. I ended up just hitting the SDR Grading Bypass button next to Reset All, and while it did a little more than just the Saturation boost I was doing originally, it looks fantastic with those settings.

And for some reason it's not doing the AutoHDR popup message in either mode now? This has to be some Windows madness.

Oh wait, it did give me the popup when I went back to HDR10 this time. Hang on...

Ok, confirmed, with scRGB set, Windows no longer does the AutoHDR message. How weird.

Now I have to check what mode Bloodstained is in...

[placid siren]

do you have some overlay stuff going on? might be forcing it in SDR. 10bit swapchain can easily swap from SDR to HDR with no swapchain changes. but 16bit (scRGB) can never go to SDR.

[swift plover]

I recently used rtx hdr and it broke every hdr game for me so I went back to keeping it off forever

[swift plover]

sdr can use scrgb swapchain

[placid siren]

you can't change colorspace is what i mean

an overlay/hook can change pq to srgb

[arctic mist]

Ah, I didn't turn off Steam overlay. That could be part of it.

Hmm, although, I just checked Bloodstained and it's been running in HDR10 with none of those issues.

And it's also through Steam

They're both UE4 and neither one has native HDR set up, but Kena still seems to be somewhat unique. No idea why.

Ah well, at least switching Kena to scRGB fixes the AutoHDR issue, and just using the SDR Grading Bypass settings make it look great. I'll probably just stick with those.

Bloodstained looks great with just the default sliders, although that SDR Grading Bypass does seem to add an extra pop.

I'll test Kena with Steam Overlay off here after I eat.

[placid siren]

did you mess with engine.ini?

[arctic mist]

Nope. Oddly enough, there wasn't one. At one point I made an Engine.ini to force HDR on to see if it would get rid of the AutoHDR pop-up. It did, but the HDR looked awful and renoDX didn't seem to interact with it correctly, since it wasn't expecting it to be there I guess. So then I deleted the Engine.ini I had made.

Turned off Steam Overlay and AMD's Overlay that pops up whenever you start a game, and with the game in HDR10 it still gives me the AutoHDR pop-up. Switched back to scRGB and it's fine, no pop-up. Bizarre.

And yet, Bloodstained is running just fine in HDR10 with the Steam Overlay still on. No AutoHDR pop-up.

There just has to be something weird about the versions of UE4 that each game was shipped with I guess?

[dusty girder]

@arctic mist if you're on an AMD GPU, and getting crashes with reno + UE4, try adding the -d3d11 launch argument to the game

so the game launches in directx11

I noticed a few AMD bois get griefed by a fix we did long ago in DX12 UE 4.27

[arctic mist]

Haven't really been getting crashes

Though Kena does let you choose between 11 and 12

I've been running 12. The only time I crashed was when I rapidly alt-tabbed between the game and my image viewer when I was trying to compare the colors.

[dusty girder]

this would be a crash at launch

[arctic mist]

Nah, haven't been getting those.

[dusty girder]

wonder if AMD fixed it

or only certain AMD gpus had the issue

[arctic mist]

Could be. I have a 9070 now.

[untold wadi]

Already included in the mod

[sonic copper]

what do you mean

[untold wadi]

The color shifting is caused by a something else

Lutbuilder already included

[sonic copper]

gotcha, but the colors look off in the screenshot I gave

[untold wadi]

Different issue, someone has to download and check the game

[sonic copper]

ok thank you

[indigo plank]

the black crush can be alleviated by turning saturation correction down; probably invalid colors

vanilla / default / saturation correction 50

[sonic copper]

I got it working!

Any other corrections I need to make to this game or are the defaults good?

[indigo plank]

Defaults are usually fine

[sonic copper]

ok it looks good now, its just those little characters have dark shadows on their eyes if I'm saying that right

idk if thats just artist intent with the game

[indigo plank]

You can turn try turning saturation correction down further to see if they go away, 50 was just a number i threw out from the scene i was looking at

[sonic copper]

Yeah it doesnt make a difference from 50 to 0

[indigo plank]

yeah maybe just artistic intent

[sonic copper]

ok thanks for the help

turning down strength helps some but I don't want to mess with something im not familiar with

[indigo plank]

Doesn’t hurt to drag sliders around to get a sense of what they do; you can always reset to default if it ends up looking cursed

[sonic copper]

awesome, yeah I'll tinker around with it and find something I like

[shrewd spoke]

Yo guys, what’s the current preferred way to play Jedi Fallen Order in HDR these days? Is there a recommended setup or fix people use?

[north fjord]

Fix - Ultra Plus

I don't think unreal engine addon work in this game.
But musa made renodx for the sequel.

[shrewd spoke]

Fix - Ultra Plus
Is that "Ultra Plus Best Performance and Visuals for Everyone" mod from nexus, or something else?

[north fjord]

https://www.nexusmods.com/starwarsjedifallenorder/mods/778

[shrewd spoke]

Thanks, how about HDR?

[north fjord]

Musa

[rustic lichen]

From Conan Exiles

[indigo plank]

lmk if it works

[rustic lichen]

[rustic lichen]

think we got some triage to do

[indigo plank]

weirdge let me check if i messed something up

[indigo plank]

it works for me?

try fresh reshade.ini and make sure you don't have engine.ini hdr enabled

[rustic lichen]

deleted the RenoDX crap in reshade.ini and that seemed to do the trick. Reported nits seems a bit low but probably just how the game is

thanks Nick

[bleak nest]

What game is that

[rustic lichen]

conan exiles

[bleak nest]

[rustic lichen]

yeah it's the boob game lol

[bleak nest]

No anti-cheat in it?

[bleak nest]

And a dong game.

[rustic lichen]

you have to disable battle eye

[bleak nest]

So, no online then?

rip.

[rustic lichen]

so singleplayer or custom servers only

but honestly the Age of Calamitous mod is where it's at anyways

also got the settings for Lightyear Frontier updated tonight too

nice!

now we're talking

[sturdy lagoon]

is that conan exiles?

[rustic lichen]

sure is

[sturdy lagoon]

ayo

ive played this once for like a week straight with a homie

[sturdy lagoon]

didnt even know it UE

might have to play again

[rustic lichen]

that AoC mod is great

UE4, can't use Otis tools though even with single player. That would be so nice

but mmo, to be expected

[sturdy lagoon]

what tools xd

[rustic lichen]

UUU

it links but I can't actually use it's camera

[sturdy lagoon]

no clue what that does

[rustic lichen]

for us screenshot nerds

[sturdy lagoon]

i see

[rustic lichen]

https://opm.fransbouma.com/uuuv4.htm

unlocks the game console (usually) and can config settings on the fly

[sturdy lagoon]

patreon only

[rustic lichen]

worth it though

[rustic lichen]

also the game supports Ansel, because of all the games why wouldn't it

[sturdy lagoon]

[sturdy lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-im-watching-you-gif-16773151899168519026

@halcyon mirage

[halcyon mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-caught-in-4k-caught-in-4k-meme-caught-red-handed-caught-you-gif-8043513456647096798

[west canopy]

Afaik HDR works but 1000 nit capped and just needs the ussual gamma/black level fix. Sooo it's "fine". Ish.

Or you could go full and use prods shaders if you don't like the luts/colours

[indigo plank]

https://github.com/KoKlusz/HDR-Gaming-Database/discussions/76

[tepid ridge]

I cant get the addon to work properly with Banishers. When I alt tab sometimes it gets super saturated (artificially) and other times it seems like it disables hdr or something.

I have Upgrade Copy Destinations on

[tepid ridge]

Also, UI brightness affects highlights for some reason

[shrewd spoke]

Probably a dumb question, but I am new to HDR since this is my first OLED monitor. I am currently trying this fix so should I enable in-game HDR, or let Windows handle it with Auto HDR when applying the Lilium's black floor fix?

[north fjord]

Windows AutoHDR + sdr trc fix

Or

Game HDR + Lilium black floor fix

In this game 2nd option

[shrewd spoke]

I think it works, thanks

[west sail]

American Arcadia

[dusty girder]

Somebody add Little Nightmares 3 to the wiki, it needs B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS and R10G10B10A2_UNORM upgrades (output size)

[halcyon mirage]

Stellar Blade is hella fried for me 😩
HDR turned off in-game of course, and restarted the game.

SDR / Vanilla HDR / RenoDX HDR (1000 peak, 203 game brightness)

Ok it was a skill issue...
If you can make this check the game Engine.ini and remove any lines like this

r.HDR.Display.ColorGamut=2
r.HDR.Display.OutputDevice=5

😅

[tepid ridge]

Where´s a link to this wiki?

[dusty girder]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

click edit

make sure its in alphabetical order

[tepid ridge]

Thanks!

[indigo plank]

nice coincidence, i found that same new lutbuilder in F1 Manager 2024 a few days ago

#1411800884303626311 message should work with this build

[indigo plank]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/pull/471

[soft cloud]

i gotchu

[dusty girder]

thank you!

[dusty girder]

nice job, thank you

ima quickly look over them

// Chained Together - Heaven looks custom, but tonemapped is right before the sdr lut

looks good enough

[bleak nest]

looooool, it was you who edited that page, I feel bad now. I always thought it was someone we don't even have in the server that's why I got like wtf.

[dusty girder]

no branch for the mobile tonemapper

[bleak nest]

I would always look up skyline and be like who the fuck is that, I can't find 'em in any server.

[dusty girder]

looks good

[dusty girder]

@placid siren looked over these, they look good; you can merge em if you want

[indigo plank]

all good lol, it’s my old xbox gamertag 😆

[dusty girder]

thanks a lot of the lutbuilders, I tried making guides and telling people how to fix em

but only a couple of people started

I assume you tested Chained Together (the custom lutbuilders) to make sure the colors you set are correct

[indigo plank]

Yeah I dumped and tested them myself and they looked normal

[dusty girder]

conan exiles brings back memories

I remember cranking the penis slider up all the way

and that makes your penis drag on the floor, with collision and everything

and if you put pants on, the 20 foot penis gets like all coiled up

funny physics

[indigo plank]

they should’ve brought that back for Dune

[dusty girder]

ark survival evoled (1) has that too

I think its a generic UE4 charactor creator

since its TOO similar

they just exposed all the sliders devs would normally hide

and didnt cap the min/max values

[bleak nest]

I asked in HDR Den as well who is that but I guess nobody knew

[rustic lichen]

ark was horrible compared to Conan. Night and day difference for me. But it was so much more popular because "dinosaurs"

maps were procedurally generated junk too

[dusty girder]

so I'm bias because

I've only played those games with my group of friends on voice

and I loved all the time I spent on ark

we didnt play that much conan exiles though, but that was when the game was newish I think

it had some cool concepts like wacking people on the head

and putting them on the wheel of pain

[rustic lichen]

they've added so much to the game, and changed a lot of systems. Added magic, etc

but yeah both games are nice when played with a group

[indigo plank]

i can't imagine playing ark official servers now

played it a lot with my friends back in high school

[rustic lichen]

they were really toxic when I tried Ark

not new player friendly at all

[indigo plank]

yeah, i did both pvp and pve servers

pve servers were fun since it was like everyone working together to tame big ones, esp on primitive where we didn't get any access to the high tech stuff

it all ended when i accidentally unleashed super turkeys onto the central area where everyone built their bases

[dusty girder]

I ran my own servers

with faster tame %s

and a bit better resources

it wasnt ezpz but

we didnt have to watch a dinosaur sleep for 6 hours

[regal kayak]

I only really had fun with ark by drastically tweaking rates

[candid ridge]

I tried using the latest snapshop with Eriksholm
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2377280/Eriksholm_The_Stolen_Dream/

And it glitches out some text like on loading screens, I tried all the sliders at output size but couldn't get it to go away. Can anybody else check? It's got a demo on the page

Steam

Eriksholm: The Stolen Dream

Experience an isometric, narrative-driven stealth game set in the stunning city of Eriksholm. When Hanna’s brother, Herman, disappears and the police begin to pursue him, her search sets off a chain of catastrophic events that will not only alter their lives but also the destiny of the entire city. Join your allies, outsmart relentless enemie…

Price

$29.99

Recommendations

1472

Metacritic

78

[dusty girder]

is the text all blocky and stuff

like squares or glyphs

@candid ridge

[candid ridge]

Yes

I already tried RGBA8/BGRA8 typeless etc to output size

[dusty girder]

one second

@candid ridge try this, make sure to delete the other unreal addon

that's just unreal compiled with renodx::mods::swapchain::swapchain_proxy_revert_state = true;

[candid ridge]

Yeah that fixed the blocky text. Though now I'm realising the sliders except for gamma aren't working and not changing the image in any way 😩

Guess that needs a LUT dump

[dusty girder]

we really need a slider for renodx::mods::swapchain::swapchain_proxy_revert_state = true;

right now people add it on a per-game basis, but thats unreasonable to maintain

[dusty girder]

maybe the game just doesnt update in real time

[candid ridge]

imma restart and test

[dusty girder]

but maybe there are new lutbuilders, who knows

[candid ridge]

no it's one of those where updates don't happen in real time

sliders work fine, just that the game has no menus that bring about any change so the way to see changes is quit to main menu and load again

[dusty girder]

usually opening up the equipment menu or something similar works

[candid ridge]

just tested

[dusty girder]

rip

no like quest log?

[candid ridge]

there's some menus but opening and closing them doesn't do anything

[dusty girder]

sadge, on the bright side you dont really need to mess with settings that much

[candid ridge]

yeah

[severe briar]

This dev build solves the blocky text also in Beyond a Steel Sky and Observer (original 2017, not Redux)

[dusty girder]

@placid siren can we either:
A) add a slider for renodx::mods::swapchain::swapchain_proxy_revert_state = true/false; (default false)

B) hard coderenodx::mods::swapchain::swapchain_proxy_revert_state = true; to true, and then maybe disable it on a per game basis (still not a good idea)

imo adding revert state true on a game by game basis to the custom patches funciton is silly

[shrewd spoke]

I've been playing or a couple of days but I'm realizing with ilium's black floor fix, there's black crush in dark parts of the game

Is that normal?

[soft cloud]

Make sure vignette is disabled

[delicate ferry]

Maneater

[indigo plank]

Already included in the mod

[dusty girder]

if the file doesnt have "new" in it, that means its already in the mod

[delicate ferry]

ohh my bad, thank you for letting me know. If its already included in the mod it means there should be a way for it to work with one of the upgrades right?

[dusty girder]

yes

[delicate ferry]

figured it out, had to set B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS to Output ratio

[dusty girder]

also make sure to turn off dump lutbuilders when you play, it griefs perf a lot

also unreal is almost always one or both of these:

B8G8R8A8_TYPLESS and/or R10G10B10A2_UNORM

the rare game might also need copy destinations enabled, only turn that on if both of those dont unclamp the game

[delicate ferry]

thank you @dusty girder 🙌

[dusty girder]

np. gl

[pure cargo]

so what do I do if the ui slider changes highlights in a game?

nvm

this game forces 115 screen percentage and breaks things

[stable cliff]

Anybody tested this with FighterZ?

[versed jacinth]

Is there a reason the Grounded 2 lutbuilder I uploaded weeks ago never got added to the mod?

This one

I means if there's an issue with it or something, or if there's anything else I can do to help make it happen.

[peak galleon]

maybe @indigo plank can help

[peak galleon]

he added the ones i did

[indigo plank]

I fixed the lutbuilder but I can’t test if it works due to some other issues with RenoDX not working in the game for me

#1411800884303626311 message

If you want to try and see if it works on your end, it’s included in this build here #1411800884303626311 message

[versed jacinth]

Sorry, since it was missing the lutbuilder I never tried loading reno again. With the build you linked, yes, I am getting the same error in the log.

[indigo plank]

It’s a shortfuse problem unfortunately

[west canopy]

DS2 seems to have the ugly green sky problem again. It wasn't present at start of the game but it was there for a moment when I was exiting my first outpost (when it was doing the auto exposure thing, it was that exact same ugly green) 💀

Other than that hdr and skybox look better? So far at least

[sturdy lagoon]

it does yeah, i think day one of that game release musa already confirmed that

[west canopy]

Ah wait I posted in the wrong thread I thought I'm posting to DS sorry

[sturdy lagoon]

[west canopy]

And it does this weird thing it's has lifted blacks outside but in the bunker scenes they're perfect

[sturdy lagoon]

musa will fix when it comes to pc

[west canopy]

And this can't be artistic vision. It just looks bad. Its not horrible but it could simply look better if black floor was lower when outside

[sturdy lagoon]

depends

does SDR have the same raised blacks

[west canopy]

I never tried and that's what I was asking myself too

[sturdy lagoon]

fafo

[west canopy]

It's curious because in both games it seems to be an outside problem. It's like a matrix filter

[west canopy]

Yeah the ugly green sky never rears it's head in SDR, it always looks normal but everytime you look outside from inside any building (even a tent) this ugly overexposion into green mess hits you and looks just wrong

Just now playing in SDR for a bit I see how annoying and ugly it really is 😞

And yep, blacks look better in SDR too... Can't measure them but it's certainly better

[sturdy lagoon]

yeah i imagined so. so its basically the exact same as DS1

[west canopy]

Yeah except this time it actually follows ps5 system level calibration for peaks, it only has overall brightness setting (like stellar blade) which I keep at 4/10 but still raised blacks pretty badly. So I was hopeful it will be better but still has the same problems as almost every other HDR game

2/10 seems to be closer to SDR blacks, maybe I can regain the highlights by increasing the system level it doesn seem like a bad workaround

Hmm but it doesn't seem needed. Is this more like a gamma slider? What could the HDR "luminosity" slider be?

[sturdy lagoon]

just refund and wait for pc release brotha

[west canopy]

Haha won't happen with sony scammers

[sturdy lagoon]

damn fr?

didnt know they had shit customer support like that

[west canopy]

It's funny because with fixed blacks (lowering the luminosity slider) the highlights look brighter

[sturdy lagoon]

just charge back credit card

[west canopy]

Oh it's really fucking bad. You can only have a chance of getting a refund like that if you never actually played the game you bought (so like a mistake purchase)

[sturdy lagoon]

wtf

[west canopy]

And say goodbye to your account and games you "own"

[sturdy lagoon]

glad i stepped away completely from this shit

Id rather give money to Gabe Newell than anyone else

[indigo plank]

I’m pretty sure you pre-order a game on PlayStation, you lose refund eligibility upon even starting the download

[west canopy]

So what's up with highlights looking brighter when you decrease the black levels? I'm not crazy? Is it just a perceptual thing? It's like they're all hazy on default raised blacks ("luminosity" 5 compared to 2)

[north fjord]

any update on this ?

[split dagger]

The values bottom right aren't supposed to cap at 100, right?

[coarse axle]

if the game has HDR output, yes. Right now the game is a brickwall thats not letting anything higher than 144nits

the game is currently clamped to 144nits

so SDR territory

[split dagger]

would liliums sdr > hdr shader be the best approach ?

[coarse axle]

imo any sort of ITM is off the table in the situation like this

the game is already hard clipping at 144nits

plus this is what I presume to be a snow/mountain area

so ITM will hit like a truck as anything remotely white e.g snow will get ramped up to peak brightness

[split dagger]

snowy mountains yeah

[coarse axle]

im confused, so does this game have native HDR? It says HDR10 via liliums graph

[split dagger]

i can't find any hdr options in the game so i'm assuming sdr

[coarse axle]

umm so why is the graph reporting HDR10?

are you running autoHDR?

[split dagger]

no its disabled

[coarse axle]

Are you using the UE generic addon?

[split dagger]

i am yes

heres the same details with the addon set to disabled:

[coarse axle]

right so the issue is most likely that the game is missing LUTbuilders

hence why its SDR clamped

[split dagger]

gotcha, this is something i can provide right

[coarse axle]

dump the LUTbuilders

[dusty girder]

did you enable "upgrade all destinations"

sometimes games use compute shaders, uavs; and you need that along side regular upgrades

[split dagger]

copy destinations? yes

[dusty girder]

rip

thats icarus right

I remember trying to plya it with friends on release

like 5 years ago

and we never got into it

[split dagger]

i couldnt resist the $4 dollar sale

[dusty girder]

my friends never got into the whole "your base goes rip after mission complete" part

||I Paid like 100$ for it, because on release they had like a supporter bundle that came with a cool skin||

[split dagger]

they added an open world system, i also hated the mission based system they had

[dusty girder]

back then they had

missions and

sandbox mode

[split dagger]

yikes

[dusty girder]

the sandbox mode shit didnt go poof, but

you're kind of just playing with no goal

[split dagger]

i've got lut dumping enabled, can this be used to improve the 144 nit cap?

im pretty new to the process so trying to learn

[dusty girder]

they dont have new in it

that means the luts are already in the mod

so the issue is resources arnt getting upgraded

what res is your monitor

and make sure the game res is the same

[split dagger]

ooh, dlss may be enabled. that causes problems iirc

[dusty girder]

set B8G8R8A8_typless + R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size or even better aspect ratio

[dusty girder]

usually doesnt

[split dagger]

game restart required i assume?

that worked for sure, the moon is so BRIGHT

so pretty

[dusty girder]

yea always

whenever you mess with resource upgrades, you need to restart

[dusty girder]

ok yea the mod is working

ohh disable dump lutbuilders and restart

that kills your perf

[split dagger]

thanks for your help

[dusty girder]

np enjoy the game

[broken cave]

Has there been any progress with Eternal Strands? Is there some basic stuff I could do to at least improve a little HDR in this game?

[north fjord]

does mortal kombat 1 support addon ?

[swift plover]

here's the mk1 lutbuilder if someone wants to do it

[indigo plank]

seems to break fmvs and some hud elements. works enough to use in matches though

upgrade RGB10A2 UNORM to output size

[vivid rune]

Just bought the game , would love a mod as well

[north fjord]

will test later, after installing
thanks, could fmvs and hud elements be fixed ?

anyone can update snapshot
this version did not crash for hogwarts legacy with latest version
#1411800884303626311 message

[bleak nest]

@north fjord is playing it rn, so he can do it.

I'm interested in this game quite a bit, but still haven't gotten around to playing it.

But be nice to have it updated once fully checked.

[north fjord]

i can test it when jon will have time, but i am also be using these settings from ultra +

[regal kayak]

• initial hogwarts legacy support

@north fjord

there's an effect that can run after tonemapping that clamps the game back to SDR range. If you upgrade the resource that it uses, it completely breaks the effect. I'll have to see if I can fix the shader but for now this works.

I'll probably just check what the game does in unreal HDR for that effect

[north fjord]

Will check later 🙏

[indigo plank]

seems to just be caused by the addon / swapchain upgrade; the hud was breaking even without the lutbuilder or any upgrades. the native HDR path looks like it uses the exact same shaders for UI too so idk

[north fjord]

Thanks for looking, would make a story mode video, if ui could work in future.😁

[stable ivy]

doesnt work out the box with FG in hogwarts legacy

lights flickering for me (the sun mostly)

[regal kayak]

that's just how it is with generic unreal and framegen, you have to use dlss fix

[stable ivy]

my b

[regal kayak]

all good lol

https://discord.com/channels/1408098019194310818/1410855640112566375/threads/1413548071987576862/1413548071987576862

[stable ivy]

yeah just did it, testing again

[stable ivy]

I feel like a schizo with the things i found out but I dont wanna sound like an idiot lol

Do you have ultra+ installed by any chance? (if not it's insane user error on my part and prob not worth reporting)

[north fjord]

@regal kayak video not HDR yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KCmJzy0738

[regal kayak]

No. Truthfully this isn’t a game I care about. A lot of people asked and I got it free on epic so I figured I might as well add the shaders.

[north fjord]

could someone look for ui of mortal kombat 1

[hybrid ingot]

Witchfire is tested to be working with only R10G10B10A2_UNORM upgrade according to github wiki but seems to be only responding to UI brighness slider

am I missing another upgrade somewhere perhaps?

[regal kayak]

The game still gets actively developed, it could have broken

Any idea if recent updates upgraded the engine version?

If it’s a newer version of ue5 now then the sliders won’t update in realtime

[hybrid ingot]

UE 4.27.2.0 according to .exe

[regal kayak]

Maybe it’s got a new lutbuilder then. Try dumping shaders

[hybrid ingot]

I'll have a go at it later when I can

[regal kayak]

Alright. I’m the one that put the compatibility stuff first it up there so if it doesn’t work anymore I’ll make it work

[hybrid ingot]

I tried dumping luts, only got one and that one is already included, the preparation area before heading in to a mission is working properly but as soon as I load in to a mission only UI brightness slider works, also didn't dump anything new unfortunately

tried a couple of different areas but no new luts, I haven't unlocked everything though so there might be more

[regal kayak]

@hybrid ingot it's working fine for me in the hub and the first area

oh I also have b8r8g8a8_typeless upgrades

it's possible that became a new requirement and I forgot to update the page

While I'm in here I'll just add the game to the addon so it auto sets settings

okay yeah that upgrade is necessary

though sliders always work regardless 🤷

so idk why the sliders aren't working for you but I know this build works at least (witchfire, in case anybody searches the game)

[hybrid ingot]

seems like this was the only thing required, thanks for the support.

[hybrid ingot]

@regal kayak did you happen to see slight black flickering in sky texture and randomly across the screen with Witchfire? I get that a bit, FG is off, DLSS is on

[hybrid ingot]

I upgraded R10G10B10A2_UNORM to Output ratio and flickering seems to be gone, I'm not well versed enough in UE mod to know if it is supposed to have an effect like that but I'll take it

[regal kayak]

Hm, not sure

[dusty girder]

Was there any game that broke with BGRA8 typeless output size?

maybe we should just upgrade that by default, and then tell people to turn it off if something breaks

I know RGB10A2 can break stuff in certain games

[dusty girder]

unity generic auto updates RGBA8 unorm (or typeless I forgot)

because its like safe in 99% of games

[dusty girder]

I wonder if something like this will work:
We dont want to hardcode the upgrades, but just move the slider automatically; so people can undo it

        {
            true, // normally a string, but remove "" and true or 1 should work for all games (I think IDK)
            {
                {"Upgrade_B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS", UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_SIZE},
            },
        },

or maybe std::string supports wildards, like * idk

[dusty girder]

@placid siren you think we can upgrade bgr8_typless default? voosh does it and then just hand disable them

[digital raptor]

Tales of Arise

[dusty girder]

we can disable that one

I feel like the # of games that break because of bgr8 typeless is tiny

[digital raptor]

Yea that's the only one I remember

[dusty girder]

will the current array "parse in order"

lets say the first list on the upgrade array is "upgrade all bgr8 typeless output side"

and the next entry is "tales of arise, bgr8 off"

will it properly turn it off?

if you have the game installed, mind testing it?

[swift plover]

  for (const auto& [key, format] : UPGRADE_TARGETS) {
    const auto default_upgrade =
        (key == "B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS") ? UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_SIZE : 0.f;
    auto* new_setting = new renodx::utils::settings::Setting{
        .key = "Upgrade_" + key,
        .value_type = renodx::utils::settings::SettingValueType::INTEGER,
        .default_value = default_upgrade,
        .label = key,
        .section = "Resource Upgrades",
        .labels = {
            "Off",
            "Output size",
            "Output ratio",
            "Any size",
        },
        .is_global = true,
        .is_visible = []() { return settings[0]->GetValue() >= 2; },
    };
    add_setting(new_setting);

    auto value = new_setting->GetValue();
    if (value > 0) {
      renodx::mods::swapchain::swap_chain_upgrade_targets.push_back({
          .old_format = format,
          .new_format = reshade::api::format::r16g16b16a16_float,
          .ignore_size = (value == UPGRADE_TYPE_ANY),
          .use_resource_view_cloning = true,
          .aspect_ratio = static_cast<float>((value == UPGRADE_TYPE_OUTPUT_RATIO)
                                                 ? renodx::mods::swapchain::SwapChainUpgradeTarget::BACK_BUFFER
                                                 : renodx::mods::swapchain::SwapChainUpgradeTarget::ANY),
          .usage_include = reshade::api::resource_usage::render_target
                           | (g_upgrade_copy_destinations == 0.f
                                  ? reshade::api::resource_usage::undefined
                                  : reshade::api::resource_usage::copy_dest),
      });
      std::stringstream s;
      s << "Applying user resource upgrade for ";
      s << format << ": " << value;
      reshade::log::message(reshade::log::level::info, s.str().c_str());
    }
  }

have it set it when the settings are first created

[regal kayak]

Oh I guess one game that breaks with it is hogwarts legacy, unless i fix the shader

[dusty girder]

if you said there is a custom shader after the lutbuilder/sample, it probably needs its own mod

[regal kayak]

It’s not a big deal. It’s a low health effect that goes back to SDR.

[dusty girder]

oh, make an sdr color and upgrade tonemap

at the end of the day its all up to shortfuse if he wants it

what does .is_global = true, do

never seen it or used it

[dusty girder]

@regal kayak @digital raptor can I get a list of gamer that odnt work with bgr8 typeless again

just hogwarts and tales of arise

and do you happen to have the product name/game name for those?

[indigo plank]

weird lutbuilder in state of decay 2

think i made it work though?

[dusty girder]

ok about to make a pr

for default bgr8 typeless upgrades with hogwarts and tales of arise exempted

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/pull/476

[dusty girder]

that is a weird one

@indigo plank did you try not making any code changes, and in the devkit swapping original and file

to make sure the decomp is good?

  switch (cb0[20].z) {
    case 0 :
// BT709_TO_XYZ_MAT
    r10.xyz = float3(0.412456393,0.212672904,0.0193339009);
    r11.xyz = float3(0.357576102,0.715152204,0.119191997);
    r12.xyz = float3(0.180437505,0.0721750036,0.950304091);
    r0.w = -1;
    break;
    case 1 :
// DISPLAYP3_TO_XYZ_MAT
    r10.xyz = float3(0.486590594,0.228983805,0);
    r11.xyz = float3(0.265668303,0.691740215,0.0451135002);
    r12.xyz = float3(0.198190495,0.0792761967,1.0438031);
    r0.w = -1;
    break;
    case 2 :    
// BT2020_TO_XYZ_MAT
r10.xyz = float3(0.636973619,0.262706608,0);
    r11.xyz = float3(0.1446172,0.677999616,0.0280728005);
    r12.xyz = float3(0.168858498,0.0592937991,1.06084371);
    r0.w = -1;
    break;
    case 3 :
//  AP0_TO_XYZ_MAT
    r10.xyz = float3(0.952552378,0.343966454,0);
    r11.xyz = float3(0,0.728166103,0);
    r12.xyz = float3(9.36786018e-05,-0.0721325427,1.00882518);
    r0.w = -1;
    break;
    case 4 :
// AP1_TO_XYZ_MAT
    r10.xyz = float3(0.662454188,0.272228718,-0.00557464967);
    r11.xyz = float3(0.134004205,0.674081743,0.0040607336);
    r12.xyz = float3(0.156187683,0.0536895171,1.01033914);
    r0.w = -1;
    break;
    default :
    r0.w = 0;
    break;
  }

It seems based on the cbuffer (cb0[20].z), the color wil be encoded differently?

a few lines down (219) case 0 for cb0[20] is BT709_TO_AP1_MAT

so I have no idea why it came out like this

after all the memes, you can find the standard ap1/709 colors in the lutbuilder just fine

I wonder if all those switches are just wasted code

[indigo plank]

yep seems good

[dusty girder]

and mod looks like generic ue should so yea

no idea why they got all those colorspace conversions

[indigo plank]

the game does have an option to make nighttime brighter/darker so i was thinking that's what those were for

[dusty girder]

well they're colorspace conversions

that has nothing to do with nighttime being brighter/darker

[indigo plank]

no idea then

apparently it has native hdr on xbox but not on pc

[dusty girder]

might be left over cursed code

no idea tbh

[desert heron]

I got trepang2

it seems the LUTs for trepang2 need to be dumped

hopefully there's not many luts

OH

HDR ONLY APPLIES WHEN USING TAA

the TAA in this game is too damn strong

[glacial nexus]

Hey there lovely people. Is there a go to fix for when the game im using the unreal addon on messes up when i use dlss but without it it works fine? Like upgrade some option or is it not as easy?

Thats how it looks with dlss enabled. Not FG just upscaling

[coarse axle]

Disable DLSS sharpenening

[glacial nexus]

Oh

Thats a good suggestion

[coarse axle]

Has to be set to 0

[glacial nexus]

Damn

I didnt know that

Thank you

[coarse axle]

I had the same issue with Witchfire

[glacial nexus]

lol

Glad you did in that case

Is that a general thing or unique to the gamre

[coarse axle]

Might be the same in other UE titles

[glacial nexus]

Alrighty really appreciate it thank you man

[dusty girder]

if sharpening breaks a game, try enabling "upgrade resource destinations"

or whatever the slider is called

(and restart the game)

[coarse axle]

I generally avoid DLSS sharpening since its abysmal anyways

[dusty girder]

you should be able to get reno + sharpening that way

[coarse axle]

even 1% exposes the TAA jitter

[glacial nexus]

Upgrade copy destinations?

Sounds about right to you

[dusty girder]

yea

[glacial nexus]

Oh yeah

That did it

Will note that down

Thank you! So many hidden things to learn xD

[dusty girder]

dlss sharpening makes the render a UAV torwards the end, which without copy desintations it doesnt get upgraded

and not getting upgraded = grief

learned that thanks to gooner blade, had to fix the slider

before gooner blade the slider did nothing

[glacial nexus]

You sir are at a level of knowledge i aspire to be xD

Glad you figured that out in that case

Certainly good to know

[dusty girder]

personally I need a bit of sharpening

something thats too soft looks off

like look at FF16's pc port

that released with no DLSS sharpening

it was hard grief unless you used optiscaler to force RCAS

[glacial nexus]

Yeah me too

I like my sharpening

Glad youre an enjoyer as well xD

[regal kayak]

Will have to add to the automatic upgrades, I keep that setting off 😅

[brave gull]

ig it takes two doesn't work with the ue mod

maybe cause it's split screen

[dusty girder]

I think split fiction worked

and thats the same studio

[brave gull]

weird wonder why i couldn't get it working

[fluid valley]

Testing DQVII

[tepid ridge]

Uuuu I wanted to play the demo too. If Reno makes a big difference here I might get it in steam instead of PS5

[storm lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-1281766816980485400

anyone want to fix eternal strands? its on gamepass

[fluid valley]

Here are the CSO's for DQVIIIR

[dusty girder]

@fluid valley that means all the lutbuilders are in the game

enable "upgrade copy destinations", and upgrade B8G8R8A8_TYPELESS and/or R10G10B10A2_UNORM to output size and restart the game

also disable dump lutbuilders since that will kill your perf

[fluid valley]

I tried that with both and none of the sliders work except UI Brightness which just makes the whole game brighter.

[dusty girder]

oh that means the game's sliders arnt real time

just set the sliders you want, and restart the game

[fluid valley]

acrtually some of the sliders are working if I change scenes

[dusty girder]

or change scenes

or open and close your inventory

some newer games dont have real time sliders

the mod works, the sliders work, they just need a scene change to apply

[fluid valley]

Yeah they all seem to work except UI

[dusty girder]

set UI 1 nit (ctrl click), and restart the game or scene

and take a hdr pic

[fluid valley]

Just gets really dim

Shadows doesn't work either

[dusty girder]

the entire game gets dim?

even after you restart the game?

that means there is a custom shader after the generic unreal stuff probably

might need its own mod

or it might be a quick fix

[fluid valley]

yup

[dusty girder]

yea probably needs either a custom mod or a patch

thats not lutbuilder related

does the game have graphics settings like sharpening, AA, and maybe some weird color grading like settings

if it does, try turning them off

maybe it will make their custom shader go away

[fluid valley]

The only AA it has is fxaa

[dusty girder]

try turning it off